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Speaker 2: You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple.

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Speaker 3: I'm convinced.

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Speaker 4: What are you convinced about that one of the storylines

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Speaker 4: that a lot of people are excited about will not

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Speaker 4: come to fruition, will be a spectacular disaster, will not happen,

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Speaker 4: and will be a fail Netlas that's Kevin Durant and

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Speaker 4: the whole era in Houston and that they're going to

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Speaker 4: the finals and he's the missing piece and they had

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Speaker 4: the young pieces, they have the coach and all that

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Speaker 3: I think the West is extremely tough. Number one. Number two,

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Speaker 3: I don't know with his showing up.

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Speaker 4: In Houston changes the not dynamics of the young team

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Speaker 4: and what they had going because he's such a great player,

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Speaker 4: and uh, there's no way that you keep playing the

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Speaker 4: same way when you add him to the mix. And

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Speaker 4: then number three is we've seen this guy get hurt

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Speaker 4: without contact. I don't know if we can trust him

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Speaker 4: uh to stay healthy for an entire season. And lastly,

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Speaker 4: this will be the third stop where he's trained derailed.

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Speaker 4: This is just who he is and the idea that

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Speaker 4: he's a vagabon and he's just gonna go to team

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Speaker 4: to team like seriously, Kevin Durant has been on so

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Speaker 4: many teams that there isn't really a team that you

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Speaker 4: should like erect a statue or have him attached to,

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Speaker 4: like he's been to too many teams.

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Speaker 3: And and and I'm saying the.

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Speaker 4: Last two stops Brute the won in Phoenix where everybody

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Speaker 4: was ready to crown them, Oh my god, who are

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Speaker 4: you gonna stop? Devin Poker and KD and this and

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Speaker 4: that disaster did not work out, and unfortunately, I believe it.

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Speaker 3: Will not happen in Houston as well.

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Speaker 1: Like Charlie Murphy said when he was doing this sketch

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Speaker 1: on Dave CHAPELLEL wrong wrong. Let me tell you why

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Speaker 1: you're wrong. You listed two to three reasons why it's

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Speaker 1: going to work. So number one, when you start to

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Speaker 1: look at the statistics for the Houston Rockets and what

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Speaker 1: they did bad or what they did good.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with the shooting.

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Speaker 1: The main reason why they struggled against teams was offensively,

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Speaker 1: of the league in free throw shooting. The bottom shooting.

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Speaker 3: Now, yeah, one of the greatest ever fifty ninety forty

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Speaker 1: And field goal percentage they were all so low as well,

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Speaker 3: When you need he needed a bucket, you needed a shot.

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Speaker 1: You needed to knock down free throws, you literally bring

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Speaker 1: as far as getting me a shot, whether it be

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Speaker 1: So that's where I disagree. It's a perfect fit. You

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Speaker 1: a horrible fit, because Phoenix Will had the same guy.

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Speaker 1: Bradley Beal doesn't do much unless he's got the ball

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Speaker 1: but he's failed before Bradley Beal got it. But right

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Speaker 1: They're not great dock down Defender's not gonna say, hey, Tana,

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Speaker 1: I'm gon get twelve points to get twelve rebounds. That's

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Speaker 1: just now. What they did Houston has that they got

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Speaker 1: The reason why when they had Devin book and Kevin

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Speaker 1: That's what they have so much so that they might

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Speaker 1: The only point you made that I will concede and

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Speaker 3: Oh you act like you poop pulling that. You know

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Speaker 1: So I'm saying that part there is an issue your

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Speaker 3: The guy they need.

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Speaker 1: They got I'm in Thoms, who's gonna be probably an

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Speaker 1: you looked the division, the Western Conference or the conference is?

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Speaker 3: I told you so? You have them.

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Speaker 1: You got the Rockets going to the finals, not go

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Speaker 1: to I think I have I'm not quite there yet

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Speaker 1: to see what's what, But now I'm saying I fully

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Speaker 4: Oh that's not why. But that's not why they brought

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Speaker 4: him on. And that's why you miss my point. My

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Speaker 4: point is you don't bring Kevin Durant to your team

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Speaker 3: They were in the mix last year.

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Speaker 4: They bring Kevin Durant to win, to go to the

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Speaker 4: NBA Finals, And that's what I'm saying, and it's not

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Speaker 1: That's why you bring in a Durant and you bring

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Speaker 1: gotta I gotta see everything losing for van Vliet. If

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Speaker 3: And there was a many few going on.

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Speaker 4: We already tried to talking there, right, it was Sean Payton,

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Speaker 4: who we just had e from salam One and this

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Speaker 4: is this is who he is, Sean Payton. I'm not

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Speaker 4: a fan, and especially as someone who sent players out

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Speaker 4: to hurt other players. I don't think you could count

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Speaker 4: a Hall of Fame vote and Sean Payton's name came up,

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Speaker 4: there's no way in hell I would vote for such

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Speaker 4: a guy who got suspended by the league after they

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Speaker 4: warned him about this whole bounty thing about this is

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Speaker 4: not about It's about hurting people.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: You get paid if you knock somebody out of the

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Speaker 4: And I don't know how in the world that Sean

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Speaker 4: Payton has been able to skate from that tag. You know,

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Speaker 4: where people were possibly where they were trying to hurt

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Speaker 3: Where are the other players to step up and go what? What?

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Speaker 3: What are you asking us to do? Yeah? I do

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Speaker 3: think there's the glad we talked about a little bit.

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Speaker 3: I think more affair.

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Speaker 1: But I do think there's maybe not a literal paying way,

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Speaker 1: But I do think that's just been promoted through football

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Speaker 1: but it was a literal system. But bounty gate is

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Speaker 1: because it was money money off.

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Speaker 4: Okay, if you're out there trying to play and hit

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Speaker 3: And Bill Romano, they weren't. They weren't getting paid, and

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Speaker 3: that's why he got suspended for you. That's anyway.

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Speaker 4: The collapse by the Giants, and of course his Broncos won,

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Speaker 4: I mean, whether and Russe the numbers weren't that bad

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Speaker 4: here's the sound of Sean Payton being a I want

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Speaker 4: to keep my job, being a bad guy.

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Speaker 7: Maritish family. You know, they found a little spark with

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Speaker 7: long ago, and I said, we were hoping that that

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Speaker 4: Is that necessary? Especially when you look at it. Russell

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Speaker 4: Wilson has lost his job. The guy has won a

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Speaker 4: super Bowl in this league. The guy went to ten

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Speaker 4: Pro Bowls? Like, can you have some respect for Russell

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Speaker 4: Wilson whether you like it or not or whatever went down?

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 4: Russell Wilson pushed back on social media, called it class

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Speaker 4: list rob.

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Speaker 3: Do you have the exact quote from the tweet?

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Speaker 8: Yep, Russell Wilson tweeted out today classless but not surprised.

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Speaker 8: Didn't realize you're still bounty hunting fifteen plus years later

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Speaker 8: through the media, laughing emoji hashtag let's.

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Speaker 4: Ride and you know what I'm gonna give Russell Wilson applause,

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Speaker 4: because at some point you got to push back. You

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Speaker 4: can't allow people to continue to disrespect you and to

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Speaker 4: kick when you're down and to act like you did

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Speaker 4: nothing in the National Football League and you don't matter

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Speaker 4: and and and that is foul. He's done nothing to

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Speaker 4: deserve that. There have been other quarterbacks you know, on

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Speaker 4: their way down or haven't played well and whatnot, and

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Speaker 4: there aren't disrespected the way that Sean Payton has tried

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Speaker 4: to disrespect or disrespect Russell Wilson. And I'm usually like,

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Speaker 4: take the high roll, but it comes to point and

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Speaker 4: and and there was no need for that, am I right?

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Speaker 4: What what was the wee well I talked about? I

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Speaker 4: the terrible Russell. That's what he said, Russell Wilson before

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Speaker 4: Col Rawley was talked to after the game.

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Speaker 1: be if you're a great quarterback in the NFL. If

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Speaker 1: you don't go to the Super Bowl and you're a

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Speaker 1: great quarterback, you can get penalized. If you're a star

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Speaker 1: player in the NBA, you never win a title or

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Speaker 1: get to the finals. You can be penalizing be Dan

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Speaker 1: for that. It's different in baseball. So I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's a failure. I think he's gonna look back and

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Speaker 1: feel differently at some point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I disagree it was a failure.

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Speaker 4: And in this standpoint, when you it's one thing if

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Speaker 4: you're they had a really good team all year, they

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Speaker 4: did all these things that they want to accomplish, and

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Speaker 4: then they were up to all It wasn't like you

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Speaker 4: got swept and you were overmatched. And then people say,

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Speaker 4: well if they lucked into the playoffs and they really

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Speaker 4: weren't that good. No, people really thought that they were

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Speaker 4: that good. Yeah, okay, and that's what I'm saying. So

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Speaker 4: you did and then they win the first two games.

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Speaker 4: The only way you don't win is you gotta lose

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Speaker 4: four of the next five. Three of those five games

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Speaker 4: are in your own building. Do you see what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: So when they look at it, it's hard. It was

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Speaker 4: like I told you before with the Knicks and why

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Speaker 4: Tims got fired.

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Speaker 3: You beat the Celtics, the defending champs.

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Speaker 4: Now Indiana's coming to your crib and you go everybody

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Speaker 4: in New York, the Knicks are going to the finals.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, they beat the Celtics and now they

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Speaker 4: just got to beat the Pacers. Pacers beat them last

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Speaker 4: year in seven games. You remember the Knicks had some

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Speaker 4: injuries whatever that Pacers won. This year, You're up by

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Speaker 4: fourteen or whatever, it was, sixteen with forty three to go,

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Speaker 4: and you choke down that game. Then you don't even

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Speaker 4: fight back in Game two at home. You lose that game.

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Speaker 4: And I'm telling you, if you go ask people and say, well,

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Speaker 4: last year the Knicks got to the Conference finals for

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Speaker 4: the first time and eons, and my god, is that

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Speaker 4: a great season? That No, that was a failure because

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Speaker 4: something was sitting there. And that's why I think the

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Speaker 4: Mariners could obviously look at it.

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Speaker 3: They weren't. They weren't.

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Speaker 4: They didn't get blown out ten nothing. In Game seven.

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Speaker 4: They were up three to one with needing seven outs, right,

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Speaker 4: six eight outs because it was in the seventh inning

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Speaker 4: with one out, So they were eight outs away from

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Speaker 4: going to the World Series for the very first time

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Speaker 4: in their franchise history. You think Kyle Riley is gonna

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Speaker 4: hit sixty home runs again, Like this is one of

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Speaker 4: those moments and situations you want to capitalize because everything

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Speaker 4: worked out for you, and then you go, oh, we're

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Speaker 4: gonna get sixty home runs again next year, We're gonna

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Speaker 4: have this go right? Are the Rangers gonna be banged up?

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Speaker 4: And are we gonna win a division? You know all

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Speaker 4: these other things you start to look at and you

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Speaker 4: know how hard it is because you've seen the Yankees

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Speaker 4: with their payroll, havn't won a World Series since two

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Speaker 4: thousand and nine. It ain't automatic that you get to

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Speaker 4: go back next year and you're in that position. That's

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Speaker 4: why for him to say it's a failure, I know

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Speaker 4: it sounds hard, but it is a.

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Speaker 3: Failure and I absolutely hear you.

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Speaker 1: But for so many reasons, that's why I think he's

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Speaker 1: gonna eventually look at it. We talked about Seattle and

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Speaker 1: how they haven't done much, they haven't had great seasons.

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Speaker 1: They haven't had and not to mention him personally, a

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Speaker 1: historic personal season, which in baseball is a great ride

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Speaker 1: for the fan base.

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Speaker 3: Right, they take this ride with him.

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Speaker 1: They go through home run setting, most home runs for

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Speaker 1: a catcher, most home runs for a switch hitter, most

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Speaker 1: home runs in franchise history, all of those things matter

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Speaker 1: is a part of the season and telling you fans himself,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna look back as they get further away and

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Speaker 1: be like, man, that was an incredible season. It sucks

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Speaker 1: that we didn't get there, and that burns for a

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Speaker 1: while and burns forever. But the idea that the season

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Speaker 1: was a failure, I don't think he's gonna feel that

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Speaker 1: way as time goes by. You put a mic in

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Speaker 1: his face in that moment. Absolutely he's gonna say that.

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Speaker 1: Fans might feel that, but I think i'd rather hear.

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Speaker 4: Him say that if I was a fan, rather than

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Speaker 4: rather than jann Is saying when they lost, oh, it

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Speaker 4: wasn't a failure. We you know what was his exact thing,

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Speaker 4: Rob g He was just kind of poo pooling the

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Speaker 4: hold nobody lost or whatever like that whole notion. I'm

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Speaker 4: not buying that, because there is we do keep track

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Speaker 4: of who wins and who nobody loses. You know, yeah,

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Speaker 4: steps to success, which just no, you lost. You know,

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Speaker 4: Doc Rivers can sit there and go, what did he say?

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Speaker 4: I don't know how many people lost that many games? No,

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Speaker 4: that was right, Doc. What was making up excuses for him?

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Speaker 4: He was basically saying, you know how hard it is

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Speaker 4: to even get to the playoff. And that's what I'm saying. Right,

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Speaker 4: more than half the league makes the playoffs. DOC, what

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Speaker 4: part of you? What part do we understand