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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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Speaker 2: Chuck and Jerry's here too, and this is Stuff you

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Speaker 2: Should Know. The Super Cool Edition another edition in our

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Speaker 2: ongoing New York saga to explain every single building or

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Speaker 2: theme or trend in the entire city of New York.

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Speaker 1: I feel like these are always me, so I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: if I'm foisting these.

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Speaker 2: Well, you love New York, I do.

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Speaker 1: Do you know the T shirt told me to.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I thought it was I Heart New York. Is

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Speaker 2: that what that means?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I get it now, but it's iHeart New York.

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Speaker 1: I didn't say you heart New York. I took it

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Speaker 1: all wrong. But now I love that city, so I

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Speaker 1: want to know more about it.

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Speaker 2: It is a very cool city, and this is a

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Speaker 2: cool place in the city's history. For a long part

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Speaker 2: of the city's history, actually the Chelsea Hotel, which little

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Speaker 2: known fact, is actually supposed to be called the Hotel Chelsea.

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Speaker 2: And I could not find where who first turned it around,

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Speaker 2: because surely it was a poet or a singer or

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Speaker 2: something writer. But at some point it got basically transversed

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Speaker 2: even though the official name is and always has been

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Speaker 2: since it was a hotel, that's the Hotel Chelsea.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it can be a little confusing. Same place, though,

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Speaker 1: so don't sweat it. So you can say either one.

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Speaker 2: But wait, wait, wait, you want to talk confusing. Okay,

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Speaker 2: there's a Marriotte Renaissance Chelsea Hotel in the same neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: I mean I could see myself accidentally booking that and

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Speaker 2: being like, this place is a little more put together

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Speaker 2: than I expected.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Chelsea is a neighborhood and every hotel

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Speaker 1: in there is a Hotel Chelsea. Yeah, a Chelsea Hotel. Rather.

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Speaker 2: I love Chelsea. I think that is one of my

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Speaker 2: favorite neighborhoods in New York, if not my favorite. We

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Speaker 2: stayed there a bunch of times when we went and

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Speaker 2: visited New York and Chelsea.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it as well, and I have stayed

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Speaker 1: at the Hotel Chelsea a couple of times.

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Speaker 2: I have too. But yeah, yeah, but that actually answers

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Speaker 2: a question that I had. I was trying to figure

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Speaker 2: out where you came up with this as a topic.

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Speaker 2: I would have guessed the Taylor Swift song The Tortured

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Speaker 2: Poets department. Okay, because she mentions it in in there,

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Speaker 2: that's I guess, not where. That's not what inspired you

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Speaker 1: No club, Dylan. If anybody I got no, I mean

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Speaker 1: from staying there semi recently, and that's the great thing

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Speaker 1: about our job. I was like, Yeah, I wish I knew

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Speaker 1: a little bit more about this place, and here we are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what'd you think of it.

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Speaker 1: At the hotel? Yeah, well, you know, as as you learn.

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Speaker 1: If you don't know that Chelsea Hotel was renovated over

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Speaker 1: the course of many, many many years after being closed

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Speaker 1: for those renovations, we'll get into all the ins and

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Speaker 1: outs of that. But I thought that it was a

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Speaker 1: top notch renovation that from what I've read, even though

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Speaker 1: it's a fancy pants place now, everything I've read says

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Speaker 1: that they did a very tasteful job. In fact, let

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Speaker 1: me read in fact, so I'm not just talking out

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Speaker 1: of my butt, but one of the people in the

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Speaker 1: New Yorker or something that wrote about it said it

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Speaker 1: presents itself subtly and doesn't scream. I've changed due largely

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Speaker 1: to the fact that the building was landmarked in nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy seven, so many elements such as its facade and

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Speaker 1: famous stairwell cannot be changed in accordance with this landmark status.

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Speaker 1: Current owners instead have worked with it and around its

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Speaker 1: physical history, and the enhancements are fitting one hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty eight rooms in fifteen room categories from two hundred

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Speaker 1: square feet, who's seventeen hundred square feet and there you go.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and that's great that they did a good

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Speaker 2: was worried about the gist of the Chelsea Hotel being

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Speaker 2: stripped away by new owners. And it's changed hands a

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Speaker 2: for decades. And those capable hands, as will see, helped

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Speaker 2: give the Chelsea Hotel its own, like it's very famous vibe.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I should also say too that a lot

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Speaker 1: you know, Times Square was better or New York was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, based on what we'll learn about what went

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Speaker 2: how dangerous New York was at the time. That almost

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Speaker 2: to a person when they interviewed residents years later, they

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Speaker 2: And yet it just goes to show you how much

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Speaker 2: more dangerous it was outside of the Chelsea Hotel in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seemed to have a very familial quality to it. Yea,

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Speaker 1: and for good reason. So let's jump back to the

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Speaker 1: beginning when it was built. First of all, it's right

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Speaker 1: and it started in eighteen eighty four as the Chelsea

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Speaker 1: Association Building, Nuts and Bolts. It is a twelve story building,

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Speaker 1: the time. It is a Victorian Gothic. It is a beautiful,

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Speaker 1: landmarks designed by architect Philip Is it Hubert or Hubert?

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll go with that. And Hubert designed it

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Speaker 1: fer Fourier, who was a utopian socialist and kind of

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Speaker 1: should work in co ops called phalanxes, and that's what

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Speaker 2: new roof exactly. So Hubert actually followed Fourier's vision and

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Speaker 2: an attempted socialist utopian paradise where it wasn't just for

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Speaker 2: it was a very tony address when the building opened.

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Speaker 2: there was room made for them, and there was also

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Speaker 2: if your plumber would accept it. Everybody was meant to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, not so big into abstract, but yeah, sure,

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Speaker 1: I guess are you going places.

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Speaker 2: To die?

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Speaker 1: Exactly? They're also in that very first iteration, and this

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Speaker 1: is very key. You mentioned artists, but there were the

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Speaker 1: was about around for about twenty one years. It went

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Speaker 1: and then the rest became a hotel, and the Chelsea

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Speaker 1: for decades functioned as a place where you could stay

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Speaker 1: you could stay there for a week, like weekly and

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Speaker 1: It's a very unique situation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so the rooms also apparently were fairly cheap,

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Speaker 2: it was automatically attractive. It just kind of became a

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Speaker 1: And also, you know, the human brain works in funny ways,

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Speaker 2: or too. If you're like, I'm going to make an

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Speaker 2: ode to the Chelsea Hotel where there's a song, a movie,

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Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're talking about. We're not talking

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Speaker 1: about Oh, Henry though, who stayed there a lot. For

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Speaker 1: Mark Twain who stayed there a lot, or Sarah Bernhard

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Speaker 1: Those were all like frequent guests in those early years there,

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Speaker 1: they were artists, you know, very famous artists at the time,

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Speaker 1: occupying those artist studios on the top floor. From the

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Speaker 1: very beginning. They even held some Titanic survivors in nineteen twelve.

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Speaker 1: That's where they went when they were when they were

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Speaker 1: brought in shivering in the cold.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is pretty cool that they opened their door

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Speaker 2: to them. I'm sure other hotels did too, but I

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Speaker 2: thought that was neat. Yeah, and we should say these

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Speaker 2: artists that were staying here, Oh, Henry was hiding from creditors. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: when he stayed there, John French Sloan, he was a

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Speaker 2: member of the Ashcan School of Art, which made its

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Speaker 2: name by showing some of the grittier, more dismal side

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Speaker 2: And so the artists were avant garde. Basically throughout the

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Speaker 2: entire history of the Chelsea Hotel, the artists working there

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Speaker 2: were like the vanguard of the avant garde.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and like a bohemian. You'll hear those words throw

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Speaker 1: During the Great Depression of the nineteen thirties. Thomas Wolfe

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Speaker 1: I was a frequentor there. In fact, he died. He

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I said earlier that the Chelsea Hotel was

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Speaker 1: And then Arthur Miller said, and then he would laugh,

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Speaker 2: He died in nineteen eighty eight, the oldest man in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Stanley ran it for forty years after his

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I got to read this other Arthur Miller quote.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just about everybody there.

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Speaker 1: off and on because he was going up to Woodstock

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00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: as well. But sixty one to sixty four is when

439
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 1: he was hanging out with Ginsburg and doing his thing.

440
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 1: He wrote most of, if not all, of Blonde on Blonde,

441
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: which is his seventh album, and very specifically in the

442
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,640
Speaker 1: song Sarah, which was about his wife, his wife Sarah

443
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: that he married in sixty five. There's a great line

444
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 1: in that song storms are bruin in your eyes, No

445
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: different Sarah. Okay, this one is very skating, tough song.

446
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: Bob Dylan was the champion of the anti love song.

447
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 1: This is kind of one of them. But he said,

448
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: he writes about staying up for days in the Chelsea

449
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 1: Hotel writing a sad eyed Lady of the Lowlands for you.

450
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 2: So he references another song on the same Sarah.

451
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a song to his ex wife, And he said, basically,

452
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: I remember staying up for days writing sad eyed Lady

453
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 1: of the Lowlands for you.

454
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and no time is a good time for goodbye.

455
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: Have you seen the Dylan movie? Do you care about

456
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: that at all.

457
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:48,640
Speaker 2: Nope, yeah, gotcha. So, but yeah, that was pretty seminar.

458
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 2: I mean, that's one of his biggest albums, right, And

459
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 2: I saw that at the time too, that Bob Dylan

460
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 2: and Andy Warhol went basically head to head over Edie Sedgwick,

461
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 2: who also stayed at the Chelsea Hotel. And apparently that

462
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 2: was the end of Andy Warhol and Edie Sedgwick's Red

463
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 2: hot I don't know what you'd call it, not a romance,

464
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,719
Speaker 2: just interaction of relationship. Sure, we'll just go with that,

465
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 2: but it was something other than that, and it lasted

466
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 2: less than a year. But apparently Andy Warhol was so

467
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: jealous that Edie Sedgwick had become totally obsessed with Bob Dylan,

468
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 2: who may or may not have returned her advances. It

469
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 2: just depends on who you ask. Bob Dylan says no that,

470
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 2: but Andy Warhol lost because Bob Dylan was at the time,

471
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: like basically the biggest person in like alternative culture, the

472
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 2: counterculture at the time, like even more than Andy Warhol was.

473
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 2: Like he was just huge, and it's kind of it's

474
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 2: kind of difficult to overstate what a big deal this

475
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: very big person living and working in the Chelsea Hotel.

476
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 2: Like what it did for the Chelsea Hotel's reputation.

477
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And it's also mind blowing to know

478
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: while Bob Dylan's up there in room two eleven literally

479
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 1: typing out one of the seminal albums of all time,

480
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: at the same time, Arthur C. Clark is adapting the

481
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: screenplay for two thousand and one A Space Odyssey on

482
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: a different floor, in a different room, So like these

483
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: kind of creative you know, and Andy Warhol is in

484
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: there shooting parts of Chelsea Girls. Like stuff was really

485
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: really happening. It didn't earn its reputation just it wasn't

486
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: overblown at all, you know.

487
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 2: Right now, Another really famous thing that happened around that

488
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: time was from Edie Sedgwick. She set her mattress on fire.

489
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, and on purpose.

490
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 2: I think was it on purpose because this was not

491
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 2: her first department fire.

492
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was on purpose.

493
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 2: Okay, So it's possible this is a very turbulent time

494
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 2: for her. Yea, she could have been heartbroken over Bob Dylan.

495
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: She could have been upset Andy Warhol had turned his

496
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: back on her. I know the previous apartment fire in

497
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 2: a different building was because she had shot up a

498
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 2: speedball and the cigarette fell out of her mouth and

499
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 2: onto her mattress and set her her house on fire.

500
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: That's kind of on purpose too, I guess.

501
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 2: So, yeah, but that kind of leads me to something.

502
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 2: There's something that just doesn't show up in the histories.

503
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: I mean here or there. It kind of comes up,

504
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 2: but I think it's really understated the effect that had

505
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 2: on the community that developed in the Chelsea Hotel from

506
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 2: the entire time that the building was open. And that

507
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 2: has drugs, drugs, drugs, drugs, drugs, drugs. Like so everybody

508
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 2: from Sarah Bernhardt, the French actress, to Bob Dylan and beyond.

509
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 2: I wouldn't put it beyond Ethan.

510
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: Hawk, he lived there for a while.

511
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean the club kids, like with the

512
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 2: Capital C and the Capitol K in the eighties and nineties,

513
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 2: like some of them lived there and they were definitely

514
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: doing drugs. They're like it was just a really big

515
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 2: part of the experience of living at the Chelsea Hotel.

516
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: It was like essentially one of the muses that was

517
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 2: walking around the halls of that building all the time.

518
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I mean Gabby Hoffman, the actor. She

519
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: was raised there from birth till she was eleven years old.

520
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: Her mom was Viva, who was another one of Warhol's superstars,

521
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: and little Gaby Hoffman from Sleepless in Seattle. You know,

522
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: she's a grown lady, you know, middle aged woman now

523
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: and has talked a lot about it. She loved living there,

524
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: but you know, she was stepping over people, you know,

525
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: passed out with hair and needles in their arms, and

526
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: you know, on her roller skates and just you know,

527
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: kind of a crazy life. But to her, it was

528
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I just lived in this sort of

529
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: legendary divy apartment building. Like there was a gazillion non

530
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: famous ones in New York, this one just happened to

531
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: be famous. Did see where her mom Viva? Eventually, I

532
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: don't think it was ever published, but she wrote a

533
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: book because writers always like very chicully say that like

534
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: Gabby Hoffman was sort of the Chelsea Hotels answer to

535
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: Eloise the children's book. And apparently her mom wrote a

536
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: book called Gabby at the Chelsea. But I don't think

537
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: I would try to find out think it was ever released.

538
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,959
Speaker 2: That's cute. I would love to see that. Yeah, how

539
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,479
Speaker 2: about some more famous stuff that happened there.

540
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: Huh Yeah, like Liaison's Janis Joplin and Leonard Cohen. That's

541
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: a big one.

542
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. He wrote about that in Chelsea Hotel number two,

543
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: one of his songs, very famous song. So they were

544
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: together from sixty eight to seventy when Janis died. I

545
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 2: don't know if they were like an item or if

546
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: they just, you know, liked hanging out.

547
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: If you know, sure, I think I know Jimi.

548
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 2: But regardless, they were just a famous couple from there. Yeah,

549
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: that's not the right word. I'm having trouble pulling words

550
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: out of the air. Another couple that you could probably

551
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: call more of a couple was Patty Smith and Robert Maplethorpe.

552
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: They moved into the Chelsea They were totally broke at

553
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 2: the time. Patty Smith became like the poet of the

554
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: punk scene. Robert Maplethorpe famously became the devil incarnate with his.

555
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: Photos, provocative pictures, that's.

556
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: One way to put it. Sure of BDSM culture and

557
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: gay culture in the eighties, and like almost got the

558
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 2: National Endowments for the Arts canceled, Although I think it's

559
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 2: unfair to say it was him. Jesse Helms almost got

560
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 2: the NEA canceled, and it was Robert Maplethorpe was just

561
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 2: making art and Jesse Helms just did not think a

562
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 2: bullwhip coming out of a man's rectum was art.

563
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: That's right. I had that book. I haven't read yet.

564
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:51,959
Speaker 1: It's on the shelf with a bunch of other rock

565
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: and roll books that I have yet to get to.

566
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: But the Jesse Helms story no exactly what a rock

567
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:02,959
Speaker 1: and roll Patty Smith's book that she wrote about her

568
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: time with maple Thorpe, I think it's called Just Kids

569
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: that I'm looking forward to getting into. But boy, can

570
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 1: I tell a quick Patti Smith Bob Dylan story. Is

571
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: there nothing to do with the Chelsea Hotel?

572
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: Yeah?

573
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: Well, you know what I'm gonna say, it does I'll

574
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: say she told him here. If you're a Dylan fanuel

575
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: like this, you can just check out for a second.

576
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: But on Bob Dylan's very famous Rolling Thunder tour that

577
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: he took up in seventy five seventy six, some people

578
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: look at that as like some peak Dylan live performance,

579
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: unbelievable stuff. But he has a performance of his song

580
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: isis one of his great songs after the record is

581
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: off the record Desire where it's just one of the

582
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: great live performances of anyone ever is his performance on

583
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: Rolling Thunder of Isis and he doesn't play the guitar

584
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: and he's just standing there and he didn't do that

585
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,239
Speaker 1: a lot. And he Patty Smith is the one who

586
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: encouraged him. He said, Bob, you should, you should do

587
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: Isis without the guitar. And he said, Patty, I don't

588
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: know what to do with my hands, and she said,

589
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: make them into fists.

590
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: So did he yell, heck, yeah, you did, okay?

591
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: And Patti Smith that wrote also about the Chelsea a

592
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: lot in the restaurant there. It's not officially part of it,

593
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: but it's connected. You can get to it through the hotel.

594
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: Al Quixote underwent a lot of renovations to reopen. It

595
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: was a pretty big dive of a place back then,

596
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: but it was cheap food and it was Spanish food,

597
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: and so people ate there, even though apparently the food

598
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: wasn't good. I saw it described was it. The piea

599
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: could have been consistency of yesterday's oatmeal. The taste of

600
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: the sangria might be best described as purple but before

601
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: the Woodstock Music Festival, Patty Smith went to the Chelsea

602
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: or was living there, I guess, And she said, I

603
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: walked into Alcahoti's Bar one afternoon in nineteen sixty nine

604
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: to find musicians everywhere, sitting before tables laid with mounds

605
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: of shrimp and green so payea, pictures of sin gree

606
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: and bottles of tequila. Jefferson airplane was there, so was

607
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: Janis Joplin and her band Jimmy Hendrix sat by the door. Like,

608
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: can you like just walking into a restaurant and seeing

609
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: something like that happening? Incredible?

610
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

611
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd be like, I don't really care about any

612
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: these people, No I do.

613
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 2: I love Jimmy Hendrix, and clearly I love at least

614
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 2: Jefferson Starship.

615
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: Right, you were like, one day you don't know it yet,

616
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna write a song called Sarah, that's right.

617
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: And I spent at least one summer just listening to

618
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: Dennis Joplin's greatest hits over and over again, so I

619
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: could be down with that scene.

620
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: Man, Should we take a break, Yeah, all right, we'll

621
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: be right back and we'll finish up on the Chelsea Hotel, right,

622
00:33:45,120 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: for this. All Right, we talked about people dying at

623
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: the Chelsea, so we should probably talk more specifically about

624
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: this because it seemed to happen a lot.

625
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, there were people who jumped out of windows.

626
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 2: Remember it was a twelve story building and this was

627
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: nothing new. People. There was a there's a rumor of

628
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 2: a ghost of a woman who supposedly lived. There was

629
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 2: an artist who was upset with herself and cut off

630
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: her hand and then threw herself out the window. And

631
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 2: this would have been in the first couple decades of

632
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 2: the twentieth century. But it didn't stop with her. It

633
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 2: just kept going and going and going. And then even

634
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: if someone didn't die by suicide or it wasn't murdered

635
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: or their place wasn't set on fire, just the day

636
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 2: to day grimy grittiness of it of heroin addicts like

637
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,959
Speaker 2: shooting up in the bathrooms or sex workers like washing

638
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 2: their underwear in the bathrooms. That was another quote from

639
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: the Oral History of All Places that Vanity Fairhead on

640
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 2: the Chelsea Hotel, Like there was just a definite dark

641
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 2: side to it, which was just kind of underscores what

642
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 2: I was saying before. The people were like and I

643
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 2: felt so safe there, and it was like, what was

644
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 2: it like outside of this building? If this was what

645
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: it was like inside, you know.

646
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. There was a very notorious

647
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: death there, depending on who you ask. Said Vicious murdered

648
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: his girlfriend Nancy Spongeen there in room one hundred in

649
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: October of nineteen seventy eight. We can't say for sure

650
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: because he denied it to his last days, which was

651
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: before he went to court. He died of a heroin

652
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: overdose before he was able to go to trial for that.

653
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: But what we do know it's it. Nancy Spongeen was

654
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: stabbed to death there.

655
00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. There's a a biographer author named Phil stre Man

656
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: or Strongman. I would call myself Phil Strongman if that

657
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: were my name. But he wrote a punk nonfiction book,

658
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 2: I guess called Pretty Vacant, and he points to rockets

659
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 2: Red Glare, who was a bodyguard for the Sex Pistols

660
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 2: at the time, who was the last person known to

661
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 2: have seen Nancy Spongent alive. And there was also supposedly

662
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 2: a bunch of money cash in the apartment that couldn't

663
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: be accounted for after her body was discovered. So he

664
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 2: makes a pretty good case. Apparently also Rockets Red Lair

665
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: was admitted to it later on to some people, So

666
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: who knows, But I don't think it was sid vicious.

667
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know Rockets Red glare from a lot of

668
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: those early Jim Jarmish movies. Interesting dude, Rufus Wainwright lived

669
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: there in two thousand to work on a record, and

670
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: there's a pretty funny story there where he was. He

671
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: called down to the front and asked that they could

672
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: send up a quart of milk, and apparently the bellman

673
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: arrived with a tray full of just tons and tons

674
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: of drugs because milk, beknownst to Rufus, was the code

675
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: word at the Chelsea four drugs.

676
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he was the only person in the history

677
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 2: of the hotel who actually wanted milk at one point.

678
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: And you mentioned Ethan Hawk or that's about say old friend.

679
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 1: We don't have nothing to do with him, you know.

680
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: I love Ethan Hawk. I think he's a great passionate,

681
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: artistic dude. But he lived there for three years when

682
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: he was sort of I don't know think he was

683
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: fully divorced, but was when he was with Uma Thurman.

684
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: They were kind of on the rocks. Yeah, and he

685
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: made the movie Chelsea Walls in two thousand and one,

686
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: which is a series of short films about a day

687
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 1: in the life of people at the Chelsea Hotel.

688
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: So you know something about him. I've become more and

689
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 2: more of a fan over the years. I think he's

690
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 2: really kind of grown into his talent.

691
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think it's I like the guy a lot,

692
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: and I like his daughter, and I like I think

693
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: I am a big fan of that family. Yeah. Who's

694
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 1: his daughter, Maya Hawk? She's an actor.

695
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 2: No, I don't know, I'm not familiar.

696
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: Up and coming. She's on Stranger Things is probably what

697
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: most people know are from these days.

698
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so what else, Chuck?

699
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: And she looks just like Uma. Oh really Yeah, it's

700
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: really funny. I mean a little bit of Ethan in there,

701
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: but she's got Imma's mannerisms and voice. It's pretty cool. Nice.

702
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 2: So you mentioned that the Chelsea Hotel underwent renovations for

703
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: a long time, over a decade. From what I saw,

704
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: the whole thing started when Stanley Bard was forced out

705
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 2: back in two thousand and seven or eight. I saw

706
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 2: both Remember that his father, David Bard, had purchased the

707
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 2: Chelsea with two other families, two other men. Well, their

708
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: errors were basically like, you are not making money here,

709
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: like he was very Stanley was very famous for accepting

710
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 2: art in lieu of rain if you were hard, you know,

711
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: down on your luck, but you were an artist, like

712
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 2: he would just you know, look the other way for

713
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 2: a few months. Like he was not running it like

714
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 2: a business, and he was very open about that. So

715
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: apparently the airs of the other two owners were like,

716
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 2: you need to get out. We have two thirds of

717
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: a vote and you're out. And that was when things

718
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 2: just kind of, yeah, big bummer. Things just started to

719
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 2: change because a few years after that they sold it

720
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 2: to some investors. I think that was in twenty eleven.

721
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 2: They sold it for eighty million dollars. The investors came in,

722
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: fired all of the staff because they were union, and

723
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: brought in non union workers. They did away with basically

724
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 2: everything that was cool and intangible about the place, and

725
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: they also took down all the art, Like one of

726
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 2: the things Stanley did was hang art by the artists

727
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: who'd lived there all throughout the place, it was just

728
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 2: laden with art. They took all of it off the walls,

729
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 2: put it in storage. Apparently some that was, and Stanley's

730
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: that wasn't. The hotels too. The Larry Rivers Foundation is

731
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: suing to get one of his paintings back that they

732
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: say was just on loan, and from that point on

733
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 2: it just became kind of ham fisted and not very

734
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 2: pleasant for the people who lived there in the Chelsea.

735
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very controversial renovation because, like you said, there's

736
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 1: still people living there. Some of those residents held out

737
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,439
Speaker 1: and fought it and for as long as they could.

738
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: Some other residents were mad at those residents because they

739
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: were like, we're just living into under construction because it's

740
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: taking forever. Because you're fighting this like it's going to happen.

741
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: Just give up so we can at least get this

742
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: finished and live in normal life again. So it really,

743
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 1: you know, it depends on your perspective. There's a really,

744
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: really good documentary that I highly recommend called Dreaming Walls

745
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: from twenty twenty two where they go inside a lot

746
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: of these original residence apartments see what they're like. There

747
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: are also some good books about this. From what I

748
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: found as of now, I think there's about forty of

749
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: them still there. Original residence in those apartments and when

750
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: you stay there. You're walking down the hall to your

751
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: room and all the doors look the same, and then

752
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: you'll come across the door that's not the same, and

753
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: that's an original resident.

754
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is pretty cool that they're still there. They're

755
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 2: also rent controlled, I believe, which is how they're sure.

756
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is one of those things where I

757
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: really like staying there, but I feel like, man, I

758
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: bet these people hate people like me that like staying

759
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: here is walking around I know, and like, you know,

760
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: with my nine year old daughter, who's not Gabby Hoffman.

761
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: Right, she's not on roller skates, she's not an uncle Buck.

762
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: I know. So have very mixed feelings about the whole

763
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: thing about like if staying there support that kind of

764
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 1: action in general or.

765
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you bring that up. I thought that too,

766
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: you mean, and I say there a couple of times

767
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 2: over the years we did the most avant garde thing

768
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 2: you can do. We stayed at the Chelsea Hotel when

769
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 2: we went to see comedian Tom Rhodes at the Gotham

770
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 2: Comedy Club next door.

771
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: Oh that's very close.

772
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's super undergone. But I mean, I totally get

773
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: that feeling that you're talking about where it's just like

774
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 2: this was something and now is this the like the

775
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 2: dulled up version, like kind of the fake disneyfied version

776
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 2: of what it used to be? And that leads me

777
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 2: to a question that I had throughout researching this, Chuck,

778
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: where is whatever the Chelsea Hotel was? Now? Where is it?

779
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 2: I don't think it's in New York anymore. I don't

780
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 2: think it's something like that can survive in New York

781
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 2: because it's just gotten so wealthy and wealthy and wealthy

782
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 2: and wealthiness is not really it doesn't really jibe with

783
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 2: what the Chelsea Hotel was. And it's heyday, So like

784
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: where is it? Is it somewhere else in the world?

785
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 2: Is it in Kansas? Like where did this go? I

786
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 2: really want to know who's doing really interesting cool work

787
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: these days? Where can you find it? Or is it

788
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: just not around?

789
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: I know, I'm with you. And also the notion of

790
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: like it's a pretty easy target, but like you know,

791
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: I bet the Holiday and Express and Times Square kicked

792
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: out some residents for whatever building they took over. You know, like,

793
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: is there any hotel group on the earth that isn't

794
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: gross and did things like that in these dense cities?

795
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, look what happened to San Francisco, Like

796
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: it lost a lot of it's Oh yeah, I don't

797
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: want to say luster, because it wasn't luster that made

798
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 2: it so charming, but it lost some of its jam.

799
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. But you know, El Quixotie is awesome now.

800
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: They've got some really good chefs that work there. You know,

801
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: A big shout out to John Paccini, he's the general

802
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: manager there. He's the stuff you should know, listener. He's

803
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: always been very kind to me, so big shout out

804
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: to him, and he's just he's done a great job.

805
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: And the pie is good now. And I've had some

806
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: really great experiences in that restaurant and in that hotel.

807
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: The lobby bar there is amazing, Like it's a truly

808
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: great place to go have a drink. And if you

809
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: if you stay there, you can get in. But if

810
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: you don't stay there, you can still go get a

811
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: drink there. I would recommend it. So I don't know,

812
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 1: it's It's definitely makes me question things. But like I said,

813
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 1: is there a place in New York where original residents

814
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: weren't screwed over in some way or another to make

815
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: way for some new expensive thing.

816
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 2: Oh. I mean also not just like people living there,

817
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: I mean like the art, the tho oh yeah, the

818
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 2: artistic vibe that was there where total because it's not

819
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 2: like no, I you.

820
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: Know, I know, I know, And a lot of those

821
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: forty residents or some of them are still artists making

822
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: art there.

823
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, they just got to.

824
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if that documentary was accurate, but I

825
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: think that the residents either aren't allowed to use the

826
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: main entrance or maybe they just prefer not to.

827
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 2: I could see either one. Actually I really could too. Actually,

828
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 2: well that's it for the Chelsea Hotel. We could keep

829
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: going on and on and on, but I feel like

830
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 2: this is a good place to stop, don't you.

831
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: Uh yeah. I mean, let's quickly mention that there were

832
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: some very famous things auctioned off. Some of the famous doors.

833
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: Bob Dylan storer was auctioned off. I think either Leonard

834
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: Cohen or Janis Joplin store was auctioned and that iconic sign,

835
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: as best I can figure, was renovated. But part of

836
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: that renovation included replacing the letters, and those original letters

837
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: were sold off.

838
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: Cool. Thank you for figuring that out, because I could

839
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: not make heads or tails of how the sign was restored,

840
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 2: but then they auctioned off the sign.

841
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think just pieces of the original. You know,

842
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: you got to see on both sides and H and

843
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: E on both sides, and you know, I think you

844
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: found even that they had them wired so you could

845
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: put it in your your loft and light it up.

846
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 2: Pretty awesome, pretty cool. Uh Okay, Well that's it. That's

847
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: it for Chelsea Hotel. If you want to know more

848
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: about the Chelsea Hotel, go check out the Chelsea Hotel.

849
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 2: And since I said Chelsea Hotel three times, as was

850
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 2: foretold in two thousand and eight, I've unlocked listener mail.

851
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: That's right, and to prevent another listener mail. Yes, we

852
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: know naked Lunch was written.

853
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: There, thank you, Thank you, sir, And a lot of.

854
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: Other stuff was written there. You can't cover it all, no, Hey, guys,

855
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: this is about inner monologues too, because I mentioned, aside

856
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: from me thinking weird things when I'm falling asleep, I

857
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: mentioned Emily's thumb spelling, and it turns out a ton

858
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: of people do stuff like that, and I told her

859
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: and she was just delighted to find out that she

860
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 1: is in a club. Hey, guys over after a decade,

861
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: I finally have the inspiration to write. On the latest episode,

862
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 1: Chuck mentioned Emily spells outwords with their thumb while stressed.

863
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: I do something extremely similar, but instead of tracing the letters,

864
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: I spell them out in the sign language alphabet.

865
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 2: Wow.

866
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: And there were all kinds of variations. Some people air type,

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Speaker 1: sometimes it's cursive, sometimes it's sign language. It's really interesting.

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Speaker 1: I spelled them out and sign language alphabet, have been

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Speaker 1: doing it since I was at least eleven, and have

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Speaker 1: never heard of anyone else spelling out words well stressed.

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Speaker 1: I would love to know the reason, but I'm also

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Speaker 1: just content to know that someone else has a similar eccentricity.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for sharing such a lovely anecdote of what it

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Speaker 1: means to love someone with all their little oddities. And

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Speaker 1: peccadillos one of my favorite words. Yeah, it's the acceptance

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Speaker 1: and enjoy in the mundane and extraordinary in life that

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Speaker 1: keeps me coming back every week for a new episode.

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Speaker 1: I'm a sandwich listener. I'm sure you're going to get

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Speaker 1: dozens of these emails claiming to be Emily's long lost

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Speaker 1: finger spelling twin, But I had to write in because

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Speaker 1: I've always wanted to stay weird. And Lauren Nider or Niter,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure how you pronounce it. You are in

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Speaker 1: a larger club because we got heard from a lot

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Speaker 1: of you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really cool. I'm glad. Emily's delighted. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: delighted too, me too. Well, if you want to be

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Speaker 2: like Lauren and write in and let us know that

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Speaker 2: you're a part of a club too, well, we love

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Speaker 2: to hear that kind of stuff. You can send it

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Speaker 2: off to Stuff podcast at iHeartRadio.

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