WEBVTT - Off Track 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:05.000 I'm Kate Winkler Dawson. 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:07.960 I'm a journalist who's spent the last twenty five years 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:09.559 writing about true crime. 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:12.800 And I'm Paul Hols, a retired cold case investigator who's 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:16.400 worked some of America's most complicated cases and solve them. 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:19.799 Each week, I present Paul with one of history's most 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:21.720 compelling true crimes. 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:24.239 And I weigh in using modern forensic techniques to bring 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:26.040 new insights to old mysteries. 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:31.639 Together, using our individual expertise, we're examining historical true crime 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:34.360 cases through a twenty first century lens. 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:37.760 Some are solved and some are cold, very cold. 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:39.800 This is Buried Bones. 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:03.240 Hey, Kate, how's it going. 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:07.280 It's going really well. I want to give some big 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:10.480 props to one of our listeners. Well, I'll give props 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:14.320 to all of our listeners, but one in particular. Oh, 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.200 I feel like knows me so well. So she emailed 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:20.400 me probably a couple of months ago and said, Hey, 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:22.200 I have something that I just want to send to you. 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:25.480 I found it and I think you might like it. 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:28.760 And since it's small, and I said, you know, I 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:31.160 can take care of the postage or whatever. And she 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:32.760 just was really sweet and she sent it to me, 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:34.679 and since it's small, it was easy to get to me. 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:37.959 So it is a book that I feel like comes 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:42.480 close to the rareness of your what's the name of 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:44.520 your medical book that you pulled out on the very 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:48.480 first episode where you looked up Maybe it was chloroform. 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:49.800 I can't remember what mercury. 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:52.160 I think this is it here? Yeah, this is the 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:55.560 Essentials of Forensic Medicine eighteen ninety two. 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:57.720 And where did you get that? I can remember where 0:01:57.720 --> 0:01:58.760 you told me you got that from. 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:01.440 Yeah, believe it or not. This was a hand me 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:04.480 down from my dad. He kind of collected books, and 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:07.080 I think he just was in a bookstore at some 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:10.000 point in the past and bought it. And then when 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:12.720 I saw it after getting into forensics, it was like, oh, 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:15.120 this is a really I mean cool book where you 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:17.040 have and I don't want to open up too much, 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:20.040 but you have the hand drawn diagrams in it. 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:20.920 Yeah. 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:22.680 Yeah, so it's a really cool book. 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:26.240 So this listener, her name's Jody, sent it to me, 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:29.360 And this is a book that's called The People's Common 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:34.400 Sense Medical Advisor. Right here it is and it's falling 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:36.280 apart a little bit, which means you know, it's a 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:38.840 great book. People have used it a lot, right, It's 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:42.480 from nineteen oh nine, and she was really sweet, so, 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:45.600 you know, sending me this, and she you know, inscribed 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:48.960 it a happy sleuthing best regards Jody, which was really nice. 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:49.440 Cool. 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:51.280 But I you know, I was flipping through here, and 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:53.680 like with your book, this has a lot of really 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:58.000 interesting pictures. Anatomy of a joint, anatomy of a knee joint. 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:03.079 You know, it gets really specific testimony from different patients. 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:07.840 Because this book was written by a doctor who let 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:11.000 me see if I can get to this the Invalids 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:16.080 Hotel and Surgical Institute of Buffalo, New York, a remedial 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:20.440 home established by R. V. Pierce and located in one 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:24.160 of the healthiest cities in the United States. This was 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:27.960 a book that was used by you know, I'm sure physicians, 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:29.880 but also a book that people probably would have kept 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:32.400 at home and used as a medical reference. You know, 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:36.040 I remember having not these books obviously, but books like 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:38.800 that at friends' houses in our house just sort of like, 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:41.240 oh my gosh, I have something hurting in my knee. 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:44.160 Pre internet, which I was pre Internet. So were you 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:47.120 where you think? Where am I going to get medical advice, 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:48.920 and it was books like this where you pick up 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:50.600 a book and it's not going to be perfect, but 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:53.880 it shows you a diagram and it kind of do 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.560 what web MD does for me now or my real doctor. 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:59.840 Yeah. In fact, on my other bookshelf, I have the 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:04.680 her Commanual, you know, so get all the information on 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.280 all these drugs. I mean it's thick. Yeah, it's a 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:11.640 small book. You know, it's like maybe six by eight inches, 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:14.720 but it's about three and a half to four inches thick. 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:17.200 And so if there's any questions that I back in 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:20.159 the day I had about any any drug substances, I'd 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:21.560 go to the Mirk Manual. 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:25.400 Well, this goes along with this. We had another listener 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:30.080 email me. This was for a Wicked Words. So she 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:32.680 emailed me and mentioned that there was a guest who 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:36.440 said that leeches are no longer used in medicine because 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:39.520 doctors found out they were harmful rather than helpful. So 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:41.880 before you comment on this, let me tell you. She 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:46.320 says her mom had leeches used after her surgery just 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:48.640 a couple of years ago. She said, had a lot 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:51.920 of questions, I said, what's going on with the doctor 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:55.400 and the doctor said that the leeches have an anticoagulant 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.680 in their saliva and can be used to increase the 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:01.200 blood flow around a surgical wound to promote the healing. 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:04.279 The surgery was for the removal of a cancerous tumor 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:06.240 in her breast. Because I said, I'm going to talk 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:09.120 to Paul about this, and I said, can I have 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:12.479 more context? So that's what she said. That she said 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:14.480 from when I understood the effects of the radiation made 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:17.440 it difficult for the skin to heal itself, and that's 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:21.240 how they used leeches. So what do you think. 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:27.279 You know? I know, I've seen, you know that leeches 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:30.000 had been used. I couldn't tell you why they had 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:32.599 been used in the medical sense. What you just read 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:35.920 that generally makes sense to me. I've also read and 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:37.640 this is I don't know if you want to call 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:40.240 it descriptive. I'll try not to be too descriptive, but 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:44.520 in essence, when you have like necrotic tissue, you know 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:47.680 where the tissue around a wound or something has died, 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:52.159 that sterile megots can be used and they will go 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:58.760 in and preferentially eat on the necrotic tissue. Now, having 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:01.520 seen megots in real life on dead bodies. It's like, no, 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:03.240 that's not going to be done to me. 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:08.640 Amazing. I've never had to issue a trigger warning don't 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:10.680 eat your food right now because we're going to be 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:16.279 talking about maggots feasting on dead flesh. But there you go. Wow. 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:18.839 Well I was shocked by the leeches and it proves 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.560 that sometimes there are things that carry over from hundreds 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:23.600 of years ago that still work today. 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:25.760 No, yeah, no, for sure. Absolutely. 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:32.640 Well, this story is sciency, and I think it's the 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:35.920 kind of story that you like because we, you know, 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:38.960 will be going down an interesting road that will feel 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:41.719 familiar to you. So that's why I started with this 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:45.360 sciency stuff, which is not always my thing. Even though 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:48.120 I went to a science magnet school here in Austin, 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:52.239 I still am the fuddled by science. So I wanted 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:55.400 to kind of prime you up for this. Okay, Okay, 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:59.159 let's go ahead and set the scene. Okay, I'm going 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:01.600 to issue a trigger. We are going to talk about 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:05.320 sexual assaults in this case, and it'll happen fairly quickly. 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:08.039 Right at the beginning of the episode. We are in 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:11.360 a very very modern time for us in nineteen seventy two. 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:14.280 I mean two years before I was born. I feel 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:15.640 like it was just yesterday. 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:17.320 You're a young one. What are you talking? 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.520 I mean, yeah, I'm happy to bring these sorts of 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:22.920 stories because I think we were just recently in the 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:26.000 mid eighteen hundreds. So I do have some photographs for you. 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:26.680 Great. 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:31.360 And this is in an area of Washington called Bathol. 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:35.200 It's about twenty miles north of Seattle. So right now 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:38.000 that area is pretty much suburbia, but back then it 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:41.960 was pretty rural, lots of farms and wooded areas. It's 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:44.920 five point forty five pm and a couple is driving 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:48.400 along a secluded dirt road surrounded by woods, and it's 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:52.600 about a half a mile away from major roadways. The 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.400 couple is driving into the woods to go target shooting 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:58.800 and they see a log that's blocking their path. The 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:01.080 guy gets out of the car see what it is 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:03.600 and then to move it. And when he does, he 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:07.480 sees a young woman lying in the road. She's alive, 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:12.520 but barely she's moving. She's groaning in pain. She appears 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:16.160 to have a head injury, and she's dressed only in 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:19.440 a braw and underwear. In her shoes and these are 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:23.000 ankle boots. Which will become important later on. One is tied, 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:26.800 one is untied, and the shirt that she had been 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:29.720 wearing is found nearby. It's a kind of a gray 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:33.440 blue color, and blue jeans are nearby, so they rush 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:37.160 her to the hospital. She dies from her injury. This 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:40.360 injury is a gunshot wound from a small caliber bullet 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:43.720 right above her right ear. That's where we are so far. 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:46.840 A young woman who turns out to be twenty found 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:50.600 in the roadway in a wooded area, an isolated splot 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:54.160 in Washington State, nineteen seventy two. Of course, I mean, 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:55.959 I think we're leading to this. Looks like this is 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:57.320 a potential sexual assault. 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:01.800 Also, yeah, is this an off roaw location or is 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:05.760 this a paved road? You know this log that's laying 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:10.079 across the road, So I'm kind of keying on that 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:13.720 right now, as could the presence of that log, which 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:17.600 sounds like it's a tree that's fallen. Does that give 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:21.800 us some temporal aspect on when people had access to 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:26.360 freely pass through that road versus not? So's That's one 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:28.920 of the things that I'm kind of keying in on, 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:32.600 just from understanding the crime scene a little bit better. Yeah, 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:36.520 her location behind the log her state of dress, which 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:40.280 is it's interesting where she's got her bra and underwear on, 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:44.360 but also wearing her ankle boots. And with the ankle boots, 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.719 you know, I wonder could her her genes have been 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:49.880 taken off of her or could she have taken those 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:54.720 genes off over the ankle boots. Probably not, does my guess, 0:09:55.640 --> 0:10:00.280 does she partially redress if there was sexual assault? And 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:03.000 was she completely nude at the time of the sexual assault? 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:07.800 That's another question, But does she partially redress, gets her 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:11.640 underwear on, gets her bra on, and then recognizes that 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:15.320 she barefoot out in the woods that's not going to work. 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:17.800 And she's able to put her boots back on in 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:22.040 order to try to move. And she's doing this with 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:27.320 a gunshot to the head, you know, and the location 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:30.040 of the gunshot, you know, behind the right ear or 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:33.160 by the right ear, you know, that's a sounds like 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:39.000 almost like an execution type of gunshot small caliber and 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:42.640 small caliber can mean a lot. Is it a twenty two, 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:45.440 is it a twenty five, Is it a thirty two? 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:48.920 Is it a three eighty? And is there any information 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:52.240 as to the distance of that gunshot wound? Is there 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:57.680 any gunpowder around the entry wound? Is there stippling to 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:00.280 any of the skin, if any of the exposed skin 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:05.120 is there right now, the location of her shirt and 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:09.520 blue jeans would suggest a location to where either the 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:13.400 offender assaulted her and shot her, or that's where she 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:15.520 was pushed out of a vehicle or taken out of 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:18.200 a vehicle, but she was still alive to where she 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:22.880 could move into the street. So, okay, I've got a 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:24.720 pretty good sense of what's going on so far. 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:28.160 Good Lucky for us, we do have an autopsy that 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:31.120 gives us a lot more information. There are still clues 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:34.040 that need to be gathered just from the scene, and 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.439 of course we still haven't identified her yet, but we 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:40.760 will right now. So she is found by this couple 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:45.760 at five point forty five pm, about eleven o'clock. Some 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:50.960 distressed parents call the police because their daughter Jody has 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:55.120 not returned home. So this is about five hours later 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:59.640 or so. Their names are Rosemary and John Loomis. Jody 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:03.960 is twenty. She is our victim, Jody Loomis, and a 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:06.840 detective comes to their house to tell them the news 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:10.640 that they believe that this is Jody. She died shortly 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:13.880 after arriving to the hospital and the Loomises go and 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:17.880 they identify her, so it's positive that this is their daughter. 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:21.880 So there's stuff about Jody that actually will be kind 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:25.400 of important. And then of course there's the autopsy and 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:29.520 things that they discover at the scene after the autopsy 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:32.200 or maybe even during, and then there's the timeline of 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:34.440 what her parents said happened. So there's a lot happening, 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:36.920 a lot of information. What do you want to tackle first? 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:40.760 Well, with the information, you know, this is unusual for 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:42.840 you to be able to provide me with a lot 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:45.440 of the information that I'm used to working with. Sure, 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:51.040 I'm excited, So I'm going to, you know, start with 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.280 my process. I want to know first, I start with 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:55.880 an autopsy. I want to know what happened to the victim, 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:58.440 what caused her death, and what other types of injuries 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:03.920 are present, and will kind of intertwine that information with 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:05.880 what I know about the crime scene, and then we 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:06.560 can go from there. 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:10.280 Okay, here we go. Autopsy is conducted. The next day, 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:15.200 the medical examiner recovers fragments from here's the gun a 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:18.640 twenty two caliber bullet, finding that she was killed by 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:21.240 that gun, shot, wound. Tell me about a twenty two. 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.839 As far as why would someone use that gun? Is 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.640 it easy to conceal or is this for picking off 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:27.360 animals or what? 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:32.600 Well, there's so many reasons to choose a twenty two. 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.520 You know, first, it could be just this is the 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.320 gun that the offender had access to. There is no 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:41.720 other reason outside I've got a gun, whether it be 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:46.120 a legally purchased gun or something illegally obtained, that's just 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:48.480 what the offender had. There may not have been a 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:53.080 purposeful decision to use a twenty two. Now, a twenty 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:56.719 two at close range absolutely can be fatal. I've had 0:13:56.760 --> 0:14:00.880 homicides with twenty two caliber guns, whether it be a gunshot, 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:04.280 wounds to the head. I've had homicides where somebody's been 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:07.400 shot in the torsa with a twenty two. There's textbook 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:11.320 examples of twenty two's going into the femeral artery and 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.560 then the bullet actually traversing, you know and causing an 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:17.920 kind of like an embolism. So you know, it is 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:23.200 a fatal weapon. However, it is also not a very 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:26.960 powerful weapon. And right now I'm assuming it's a handgun, 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:30.360 but you can have rifles that shoot twenty two, and 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:33.280 typically those may be a little bit more powerful rounds. 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:38.560 Why a twenty two may be chosen by the offender. 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:42.440 They can be smaller weapons, particularly if they're designed to 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:46.320 be very compact, they can be much smaller than let's say, 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:52.520 your nine millimeter compact weapons that the twenty twos could 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:58.440 potentially have less report. They're a little bit quieter, though 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:03.480 it's still a loud sound when they are shot, you know, 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:07.040 but you do see that you can silence a twenty 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:10.280 two and it can make it fairly quiet, you know, 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:12.080 but it's not like in the movies where it's like this, 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:15.960 you know, whisper. You know, you're still have a you 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:19.000 still have a noise that is discernible, but it does 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:21.680 it's not going to be a very loud noise relative 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:25.920 to you know, a larger caliber weapon or a more 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:29.920 powerful weapon. And then you know, if you're really sophisticated, 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.120 these twenty two bullets and it sounds like in this case, 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:38.360 you know, they can become very mangled, and if it's 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:42.640 got a coating on it, the markings that the barrel 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:46.600 of that twenty two gun leave on the bullet itself 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:50.880 can be very indistinct and make it hard, if not impossible, 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:55.040 for firearms examiner to do a comparison to link that 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:58.480 bullet back to a gun. One example I can give 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:01.960 you is there's an old book out there. It's basically 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.320 how to become a hit man, and it's part of 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:08.080 this whole you know, anarchy cookbook, same publisher, you know, 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:10.200 and in it they talk about using a twenty two. 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:14.840 And there's a reason because of you know, the bullets. 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:18.080 You know, I'm not marking very well being able to 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:23.440 silence them. They're cheap guns. I would say that I've 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:27.280 never had a case in which I've had a you know, 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:29.880 anything close to what I would say a professional hit 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:34.320 man coming in and purposely using a twenty two. I've 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.600 got one case in my career, and it was actually 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:39.560 after I retired, in which I went, this is a 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:44.320 professional hit Outside of that, you know, I think the 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:47.600 twenty two being grabbed in this case, in all likelihood 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:51.320 is probably because that's what the offender had access to, 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:53.960 but maybe you'll tell me different. 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:58.880 Keep in mind, you know, this is a wooded area, 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:03.320 heavily wooded area, a rural area, and there's probably hunting 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:08.280 going on summertime. You know, it's early evening, so you know, 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.240 I mean, a gunshot might not sound I'd and growing 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:12.960 up on a farm, when I heard a gunshot, I 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:15.760 did not immediately think murder. I thought somebody's out there 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.720 hunting illegally or legally, depending on the time of year. 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:21.960 Oh sure, you know in that particular environment, you know, 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:25.239 a gunshot is not going to be as obvious and 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.800 stand out, like if you're in a quiet neighborhood. But 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:34.000 unless this person went out to shoot squirrels or rabbits, 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:36.920 they're not choosing a twenty two to go hunting out there. 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:40.480 If they're hunting deer or something, they've got a real 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:43.560 hunting rifle with much larger caliber rounds. 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:46.720 Okay, so let's talk a little bit. There's not a 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.199 lot left, honestly, Paul. Of the autopsy, I don't think 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:51.240 they thought there was a lot more to say here. 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:54.480 We know that the twenty two killed her. They said 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:57.040 there is evidence of a sexual assault. They weren't specific 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:59.399 about it, but you know, seventy two, I think they 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:01.880 would have been able to identify it. Right. The medical 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:07.480 examiner recovered some samples of dirt and leaf mold from 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.360 her buttocks, which to them meant that she had been 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:13.080 totally undressed at least, you know, there and laying on 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:15.399 the ground. And that's pretty much it as far as 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:16.439 the medical things go. 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:20.639 So they see signs of sexual assault. I know I've 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:24.119 gone on rants before because I hate it when they 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:28.480 use the phrase no signs of sexual assault and then don't. 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:31.280 It's like, well, you can have sexual assault and not 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:34.280 see injuries, whether it be external injuries, whether it be 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:39.680 internal injuries to the female anatomy. So in this particular case, 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.320 what is evidence of sexual assault? And again I'm going 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:45.800 to avoid getting graphic, but is did they observe some injuries? 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:48.680 Then it's their duty to articulate what those injuries are. 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:54.960 Are they observing fluid inside cavities? Did they you know, 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:58.280 look at the microscope, did they identify sperm? You know, 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:03.000 they need to articulate that autopsy or those samples are 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:05.399 you know, from the fluids get sent to the lab 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:09.240 and then the lab ends up identifying what those fluids are. 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:12.440 They did do a rape kit, and they did keep 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:14.080 a lot of evidence, which is going to be good 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:17.720 for us later on, but they aren't specific about exactly 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:21.200 what the signs are you're right, let's go to the scene. 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:25.200 So they actually are looking for the gun or more bullets. 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:28.640 They use metal detector. They can't find anything. They didn't 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.159 find any other bullets or traces of the murder weapon, 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:34.200 so they never find the gun. They find a dime 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:37.800 near her body, and Jody's parents said she always carried 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:39.480 a dime. Man, I haven't even thought about this for 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:41.720 a long time, for the pay phone in case there 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.480 was an emergency. Absolutely, yeah, So they found this. They 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:49.359 found this dime. They find blood on the ground and leaves, 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:52.000 you know, it's strewn about in the area. And there's 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:55.200 a little clip that Jody used to clip her pants 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:59.399 away from the bike chain. So okay, Jody, Let's get 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:01.159 into a little bit more about Jody so that I 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:04.280 can explain the bike. She was a nurse's aide, twenty 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:06.359 years old, as I told you, She was living with 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:10.639 her parents. She went to community college. She wanted to 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:14.520 be a nurse. She was engaged, though there wasn't a 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:18.800 date set. Ultimately, I'll just say that the police rule 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:23.920 this guy out. The fiance. She was an avid equestrian, 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:27.800 and so why don't you just pull up the photos 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:29.960 that I sent you. I just wanted you to put 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:32.920 a face to this story and you could kind of 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:34.680 tell me what you see. Won't you just get onto 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:35.520 the first page? 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:39.240 Yeah, so you know, it's a photo. This is Jody 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:43.840 in her equestrian or a horse riding gear. I'm not 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:51.200 sure exactly the proper term she's standing and holding onto. Basically, 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:53.280 I'm assuming this is this is her horse that she 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:56.520 would ride. It's just a typical picture of her and 0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:59.800 her horse. She's got the riding helmet on, she's got 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:04.160 the jacket. This looks like she's getting ready to compete. 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:06.480 You know. This is not out and taking the horse 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:09.680 out into the woods. It looks like she's probably doing 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:12.720 some sort of competition. You know, it's tough to get 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:16.240 an idea of her stature standing next to a horse, 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:21.320 but she looks like she's average height, you know, five 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:25.679 four five six, average build. And this is only a 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:30.040 photo showing her from the waist up, but that's probably 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:34.120 as much as I can see. She has glasses on 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:37.280 that are shaded. I don't know if those are sunglasses 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:41.880 or if they're prescription glasses that are tinted. But outside 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:44.360 of that, yeah, I think that's about the only thing 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:45.600 I can pull out of this photo. 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:48.119 Okay, let me tell you a little bit about the 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:52.000 day that this happened. She loved to ride the horses, 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:54.280 of course, and she had been riding her bike to 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:58.080 a local stable to ride her horse when she was killed. 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:00.640 So most of the time Jody would get a ride 0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:03.600 to the stable, but today she wanted to ride her bike, 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:06.600 so she sets out a lot later than she intended 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:08.960 to because she had been waiting to ask her younger 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:12.240 sister if she could borrow her boots. Younger sister doesn't 0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:15.320 come home, and it's gonna get dark soon, so Jody 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:18.239 just grabs the boots that we end up finding at 0:22:18.240 --> 0:22:20.880 the woods, and she hits the road around four o'clock, 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:24.320 the last time that her parents see her as four pm. 0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:27.720 The couple discovers her an hour and forty five minutes later. 0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:31.199 So here's one of the keys. Jody's parents said. She 0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:34.000