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Speaker 1: NFL Combine. We are all alone in this build. We
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Speaker 1: Show and I'm Brian brought us along with David Hellman,
Speaker 1: my scouting buddy's Jeff cavan Off from one oh five
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Speaker 1: one oh five three The Fan. Guys, welcome back. I
Speaker 1: know we missed you guys for a couple of days.
Speaker 1: Dan Turner did a nice job of filling in working
Speaker 1: with the Dame Burglar and David and myself, so it's
Speaker 1: good to have you back on the program. Man, Thanks
Speaker 1: for having us. Man, I know Dan's a monster and
Speaker 1: people might miss him a little bit, but good to
Speaker 1: be here. And it's been a fun week. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: has been a good week. And today it's always interesting
Speaker 1: at the combine when you have the quarterbacks throw and
Speaker 1: with the fact that the Dallas Cowboys are a team
Speaker 1: that a lot of people are putting a quarterback with.
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones had an opportunity to visit with the media
Speaker 1: today on the Cowboy Bush, and we're gonna get into
Speaker 1: what he said specifically about a quarterback and what that
Speaker 1: might entail for this football team. But I want to
Speaker 1: ask you guys though, of the quarterbacks that work today.
Speaker 1: You know, and we don't have to limit it to
Speaker 1: just the major three if you don't want to, But
Speaker 1: I want to ask you guys though, of the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: you thought coming in and what you've seen on tape
Speaker 1: and how they you know, how did you feel like
Speaker 1: that they worked out? And Jeff, I'll start with you
Speaker 1: on this on this because you've always been a Jared
Speaker 1: Golf fan. You are, You're big on the idea of
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. If he's there at four potentially taking him,
Speaker 1: what did you see from him today? I thought it
Speaker 1: was a continuation of what I've seen from Jared Golf.
Speaker 1: I mean, this week it became a big deal that
Speaker 1: his hand is nine inches from pinky to thumb. But
Speaker 1: you watch him throw, and you watch him throw in
Speaker 1: this environment, you watch him throw on tape, you watch
Speaker 1: him throw anywhere you want. The accuracy that that guy
Speaker 1: throws the football with is it's great. It's great short,
Speaker 1: it's great, intermediate, it's great deep. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: care how big the hand is, how small the hand is.
Speaker 1: I thought, again, he looked good today. Not perfect. There
Speaker 1: were a couple of deep balls, but I think you
Speaker 1: take any quarterback in this setting, and if he misses
Speaker 1: a couple, it makes sense because he doesn't know these guys.
Speaker 1: He's thrown the guys for the first time. All of
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks missed some right, But on the whole I thought,
Speaker 1: I thought, he spun it really well, and he looks
Speaker 1: like the guy that I think he is. I thought.
Speaker 1: One consistent thing, and again I love goff It too. Sure.
Speaker 1: The one consistent thing that you saw is Golf was
Speaker 1: the one who was throwing the ball before the receivers
Speaker 1: had even made their break, right. He was the one
Speaker 1: with the anticipation and kind of leading them out there
Speaker 1: while some of the other guys were kind of waiting.
Speaker 1: And I know, again, like Jeff said, you're not real
Speaker 1: secure with these guys that you don't know. But I
Speaker 1: thought golf was very good at right before they would
Speaker 1: break it, he had the ball there where it needed
Speaker 1: to be and was very accurate. And a couple of
Speaker 1: guys I'd like to talk about, and we've talked about
Speaker 1: these guys a lot, as Connor Cook and Christian Hackenburg.
Speaker 1: It was accuracy issues with them sure, all over the place.
Speaker 1: And there were some times where they kind of hurt
Speaker 1: through wide receivers and some wide receiver drills were they
Speaker 1: would need to put the ball on the money and
Speaker 1: they didn't do it and give these receivers a chance
Speaker 1: to show what they've got on some of their routes.
Speaker 1: So I thought, overall though, the most consistent guy the
Speaker 1: day to me was Jared Goff. Yeah, I thought Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz was actually thought was good too. And I'll get
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what I'm to bring you in
Speaker 1: here a second because because I will say this though
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz to me and I in my quarterback ranking,
Speaker 1: he is third in my grouping. But I will tell
Speaker 1: you this about what I saw from Carson Wentz today
Speaker 1: that I didn't see with the other two quarterbacks or
Speaker 1: the other two quarterbacks that we were just mentioned. He
Speaker 1: looks more comfortable right now with the drop mechanics. He
Speaker 1: looks more comfortable feet, he looks more comfortable take snap,
Speaker 1: get back, plant and throw. He's the one that's done it.
Speaker 1: Then the other guys, and I think the other guys
Speaker 1: will catch up to him. I do believe that we
Speaker 1: see the pro days and when we go to the
Speaker 1: kal and the Memphis and you know, back up to
Speaker 1: North Dakota State and all that, I think that you
Speaker 1: will see the other quarterbacks catch up. But if you talk,
Speaker 1: if you ask me which of the quarterbacks through the
Speaker 1: ball the best today of the of the big three,
Speaker 1: I would say Carson Wentz was that guy for me.
Speaker 1: And I just felt like though the mechanics all that
Speaker 1: kind of came together for him and the other guys
Speaker 1: and guys Paxton Lynch and and and Paxton. I think
Speaker 1: he understands what he has to do. He's a tall guy,
Speaker 1: he's a long guy. He understands what he has to
Speaker 1: do as far as working on his mechanics with the
Speaker 1: footwork and all. And he looked tentative today in that regard.
Speaker 1: Especially early. I felt like though the throws that he
Speaker 1: made better at the end were the ones that were
Speaker 1: down the field, the ones where he had to he
Speaker 1: had to throw with some with some some touch, with
Speaker 1: some arc, you know, and fit the ball right down
Speaker 1: on the field there. But he looks slower to me
Speaker 1: because he maybe he was thinking and I think maybe
Speaker 1: golf a little bit the same way as okay, one, two, three,
Speaker 1: four throw, you know, and where where where Witz looked
Speaker 1: a little bit more comfortable in that setting. And that's it,
Speaker 1: you know, That's that's the offense that Carson Wentz has run.
Speaker 1: He's he's been taking those drops his entire college career.
Speaker 1: And I thought with Paxton Lynch it sort of goes too.
Speaker 1: There's no denying the talent or the athleticism, Like you
Speaker 1: watched Carson Wentzon Paxston Lynch run forties and then you
Speaker 1: apply athleticism to that, right, and I don't think it
Speaker 1: does him justice. I think they move better than that
Speaker 1: while they're playing football. And with Lynch, you know, he said,
Speaker 1: I didn't really throw the ball in high school, right,
Speaker 1: I didn't take drops in college. Ye. So what you're
Speaker 1: looking at is a guy that has tons of talent
Speaker 1: in that arm and a lot of athleticism in that body,
Speaker 1: which means as he comes along, hopefully he's a guy
Speaker 1: you don't have to force out there really quickly. But
Speaker 1: as far as a ceiling, I see what you see
Speaker 1: with his ceiling because of how good the tools are.
Speaker 1: But as far as hey go out there and run
Speaker 1: my NFL offense, it's just like, I don't know, that's
Speaker 1: a fair point. And again I just felt like though
Speaker 1: that I and I really don't I really didn't want
Speaker 1: to like WinCE Oh, but today, you know, he did
Speaker 1: what he had to do. He looked far more comfortable
Speaker 1: throwing the football with the mechanics to drop mechanics and
Speaker 1: Steve and that's what some of these guys are gonna
Speaker 1: have to do. Okay, I'm gonna bring you in on
Speaker 1: this because you guys were all on the bus. But
Speaker 1: I want Dave to talk about this because he's written
Speaker 1: about it for Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Is the fact
Speaker 1: you got to meet with Jerry Jones and we were
Speaker 1: talking about guys that are potentially could be the fourth
Speaker 1: overall pick in this draft if available, though, but Jerry,
Speaker 1: you felt like, did Jerry really slammed the door on
Speaker 1: any potential quarterback? At fourth slamming the door is harsh
Speaker 1: because he did. I mean, he sat there and he said,
Speaker 1: you know, he talked about, you know, beating this to death.
Speaker 1: But the Aaron Rodgers situation in Green Bay, and you know,
Speaker 1: you have to consider things like that. The same thing
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones said earlier this week, which I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: if you have an opportunity to draft the franchise guy,
Speaker 1: it's something that you have to consider, obviously, But he went,
Speaker 1: you know what, I have a transcribe right here, I'll
Speaker 1: read you a piece of this. Yeah, Jerry Jones today
Speaker 1: said it's the one unequivocal fact that you can count
Speaker 1: on relative to the preparation for this draft and the
Speaker 1: Cowboys on draft Day is that I Jerry Jones am
Speaker 1: planning on Tony Romo being the quarterback for the next
Speaker 1: four or five years. That is a fact. And you
Speaker 1: won't see a decision on draft Day that will fly
Speaker 1: in the face of that fact. So and Grant, I mean, hey,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys need a backup quarterback. So I mean, you're
Speaker 1: not saying that drafting a guy at four it helps
Speaker 1: this team. It does help this team, even if he
Speaker 1: doesn't play. It helps this team. But that's a strong
Speaker 1: statement about you know, in the eternal argument of do
Speaker 1: you worry about the future or don't worry about right now,
Speaker 1: it sounds like Jerry Jones cares more about right now.
Speaker 1: To me, that's what I'm reading. He didn't like my
Speaker 1: slamming the door at four. I mean, he talked a
Speaker 1: lot about the other side of it, and I mean
Speaker 1: he he also said he straight up said, I don't
Speaker 1: know who we're going to pick, and I mean even
Speaker 1: if even if he did, he wouldn't say sure. But
Speaker 1: so it's not like he said, there's no way in
Speaker 1: hell we're drafting a quarterback. But he certainly made it
Speaker 1: sound like he's far more interested in getting immediate help.
Speaker 1: He was even joking about how, you know, Tony Romo
Speaker 1: would probably give up money for a guarantee that he's
Speaker 1: going to get some defensive help on the defensive side
Speaker 1: of the ball. And he had some other really telling
Speaker 1: comments just about you know, he feels far better about
Speaker 1: what they can do to make the offense better going
Speaker 1: forward than I mean, there is a big uphill climb
Speaker 1: to fix this defense going forward and fixing the pass rush.
Speaker 1: And it sounds like he's well aware of that fact.
Speaker 1: So you know, as always, they don't say things on
Speaker 1: the record in playing language, you kind of have to
Speaker 1: read between the lines, and if you do that, it
Speaker 1: is my opinion that I don't really think they'll take
Speaker 1: a quarterback at four, all right, Kat, that's kind of
Speaker 1: my gut at least. Okay, Kat, though, if if I'm
Speaker 1: not going to take a quarterback potentially at four, who
Speaker 1: were some of the other guys today that you know?
Speaker 1: I mean, you've seen all the tape on a lot
Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks, though. Was there anybody that jumped out
Speaker 1: at you today that you kind of felt like, you
Speaker 1: know what he showed me a little more than what
Speaker 1: the tape, or hey, you know what, he's right what
Speaker 1: I saw on the tape. Well, typically, the way I
Speaker 1: feel about this is, if you're gonna get your quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in the league, you do get them in the first round. Sure.
Speaker 1: I mean there's a you know, a twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks in the league or first round guys,
Speaker 1: And it's been like that for years where a majority
Speaker 1: of the league you get your quarterbacks in the first round. Now,
Speaker 1: it doesn't sound too shocking or anything, so I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily want to take a quarterback later in the draft.
Speaker 1: I mean, I want one of the guys that I
Speaker 1: would like, preferably golf or winch or went or whatever.
Speaker 1: But if you had to go deeper in the draft,
Speaker 1: you know, Dak Prescott, maybe there would be a guy
Speaker 1: that like a little bit. And then Hackenburg. I like Hackerburg.
Speaker 1: I know he had a very inconsistent day today, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he is he is my you know, fifth fourth
Speaker 1: favorite quarterback, and he's a guy who I just feel
Speaker 1: like there's something there. And I know the tape has
Speaker 1: been terrible or very inconsistent the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: Yeah at times, but at times he would make a
Speaker 1: Sunday throw when you sit there and go, what is that?
Speaker 1: I need to see what that is? Right, And there's
Speaker 1: enough to pique my interests, and I'm okay with them,
Speaker 1: uh pulling the trigger, you know on a quarterback. The
Speaker 1: problem is about the time I want to cut that off.
Speaker 1: Is about Prescott and Hackenburg, which are my fourth and
Speaker 1: fifth quarterbacks. And I don't know if that you know,
Speaker 1: get I don't think that happens after pick one hundred,
Speaker 1: you know, after you pick in the third round in
Speaker 1: the fourth round at ninety eight, or after you pick
Speaker 1: in the third round at sixty seven, you may not
Speaker 1: have a chance to get one of those guys. I
Speaker 1: don't want to take a quarterback just to take a quarterback,
Speaker 1: know what? And I completely agree with you way man,
Speaker 1: you can argue Cardinal Jones. Maybe here I mean, and
Speaker 1: he unfortunately pulled the hamstrings. He did. He pulled his
Speaker 1: hamstring on his second forty to day. He didn't get
Speaker 1: to throw March eleventh, Ohio States Pro Day, Big day
Speaker 1: for old twelve gage. But maybe he shouldn't have ran.
Speaker 1: Like we know he can run. All he needed to
Speaker 1: do is throw. I mean, all right, I'm the only
Speaker 1: person among our entire contingent that likes him even a
Speaker 1: little bit. That's okay. I like Paxton Lynch. Nobody else does,
Speaker 1: so don't worry about that, Paxton Lynch. If you're in
Speaker 1: the top of the third round and he's staring in
Speaker 1: the face, that's a different disc Be real with me.
Speaker 1: You don't like Cardell Jones, but do you think he'll
Speaker 1: be their past pick ninety eight based on the value
Speaker 1: of the position and the talent alone, that's even an option.
Speaker 1: I'm looking more. I was trying to and Jeff, I'll
Speaker 1: jump in here on this, on these on the on
Speaker 1: the packs and obviously on the Press Scott's and guys
Speaker 1: like that. I thought, again, and you always give me
Speaker 1: a lot of grief for this, but I thought Byron
Speaker 1: Allen threw the ball well to day, Brandon all excuse me, uh,
Speaker 1: Byron Jones exactly, Brandon Alan threw the ball well today,
Speaker 1: and and him and Press Scott both and and and
Speaker 1: and Jacoby Brissett. You know, it was another guy that
Speaker 1: I thought through the ball well today. You know, it
Speaker 1: was about Jeff Driscoll. I didn't think so. I do
Speaker 1: like Jacoby a lot, threw it pretty well at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, and then today goes out there and he's
Speaker 1: running four fives and jumping ten feet. I think. I
Speaker 1: think Jeff Driscoll keeps doing different things to make you
Speaker 1: kind of go, uh maybe, but but do you have
Speaker 1: him in that range where you would take him like
Speaker 1: it sixty seven or something like that if it need be.
Speaker 1: I only have four quarterbacks in the top three rounds
Speaker 1: for me, and that's golf. That's Wentz, it's Paxton Lynch,
Speaker 1: and it's Christian Hackenburg. So those are your four guys.
Speaker 1: So for me and I get it, like, and I
Speaker 1: think you're right with the Brandon Allen name, which will
Speaker 1: drive draft Twitter crazy because his hands smaller than golfs,
Speaker 1: you can't possibly be good at football. But you know,
Speaker 1: if you watch the Arkansas game, I mean you watch
Speaker 1: him play, you watch the Senior Bowl, he comes out
Speaker 1: here to come on, I thought he threw the ball. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't have a I didn't have a
Speaker 1: problem with the way through the football today. So and
Speaker 1: I'm not and it's not in Arkansas love with me
Speaker 1: because I'm not a big Arkansas fan. I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of the player because I think the
Speaker 1: guy can play, you know, I just like I said,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're where do you put him right now?
Speaker 1: On my board? I had I'm developing a theory. That's
Speaker 1: why I ask I've got him in the third round. See,
Speaker 1: and where do you have Jones? Just out of curiosity?
Speaker 1: And Jones I have in the fourth round? Okay, And
Speaker 1: that's my point and that's why I was agreeing with
Speaker 1: kat I did. I mean, I pick one hundred is
Speaker 1: my cutoff for where you're going to get a quarterback
Speaker 1: that's worth taking as far as I'm concerned, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if they don't. If they don't take
Speaker 1: one by the third round, you're not drafting one at all.
Speaker 1: Maybe the fourth. Yeah, they have the ninety eighth overall pick,
Speaker 1: I'd be fine with that, But I'm I mean, once
Speaker 1: you're getting past that, I'm just not sure. Think it's
Speaker 1: a really good point because you look around. You look
Speaker 1: around the NFL and the guys who didn't step in
Speaker 1: and start but kind of made it, or even did
Speaker 1: step in and start that weren't the first rounders. You're
Speaker 1: talking about Breeze, you're talking about Russell Wilson, you're talking
Speaker 1: about Kirk Cousins. What was he a third or fourth?
Speaker 1: Because he was a four round Okay, so it's possible.
Speaker 1: But of the number of people picked in the fourth, fifth, sixth,
Speaker 1: seventh round, like, okay, you go find Tom Brady in
Speaker 1: the sixth round three time, and I found a quarterback
Speaker 1: in the sixth and one time in the history of
Speaker 1: ever you found an undrafted free agent, right, which means
Speaker 1: there were hundreds that that busted. So your percentage is
Speaker 1: down there, it's one percent. You know, where's up at
Speaker 1: the top. You got a shot. You can talk me
Speaker 1: into the I mean Russell Wilson, you, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: one of the best quarterbacks in the round. Pick I
Speaker 1: just the numbers drop off so significantly once you get
Speaker 1: past the third or fourth round though, and there's a
Speaker 1: couple of things. You better know for sure that he's
Speaker 1: better than Kellen Moore if you're taking him, Well, it
Speaker 1: sounds like, Jerry, you were on the bus side, Jerry
Speaker 1: was comfortable with Kellen Moore. He's like, he's comfortable with
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore. Is his number two quarterback. That's what it
Speaker 1: sounded like. I don't know if I read it. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I read it completely. That we look
Speaker 1: at the positives, but you obviously can't do a lot
Speaker 1: of the negatives that he did. And he didn't bring
Speaker 1: up his turnover, so that's still in his head. So
Speaker 1: he's still seen all the bad plays that Kellen Moore had.
Speaker 1: He's remembering that. But I just I feel like, like
Speaker 1: we talk about this all the time, Well, you can't
Speaker 1: take quarterback at four. We gotta get Romos some help,
Speaker 1: and we gotta we gotta get Well, you can't do
Speaker 1: that at sixty seven, then you gotta keep getting Romo help.
Speaker 1: Then we're gonna take your quarterback. Let's try to take
Speaker 1: the best one. Otherwise, let's not do it. See that's
Speaker 1: why I don't see why he slammed the door like
Speaker 1: that at four. Yeah, because again they might like they
Speaker 1: might like golf for lunch or you know, well, it's
Speaker 1: also smokescreen. I mean, I don't take everything with a
Speaker 1: big old grain of salt. Did you always feel like that.
Speaker 1: Jerry's pretty honest with his assessment of when we talk
Speaker 1: to him. Yeah, yeah, but this time of year you
Speaker 1: can't be totally honest and kind. He kind of prefaced
Speaker 1: his entire conversation with listen at this time of year
Speaker 1: talking about free agency and draft strategy. I can't really
Speaker 1: get into it right. And then he went into draft
Speaker 1: strategy as he's telling you he thinks Romo is going
Speaker 1: to play four or five years. Okay, we got through
Speaker 1: those quarterbacks a little bit, though, talk about a little
Speaker 1: bit some of the wide receivers. You know, there are
Speaker 1: a lot of folks out there that are trying to
Speaker 1: figure out know that we're trying to figure out these
Speaker 1: wide receivers and where they exactly go whether that's uh,
Speaker 1: you know, like myself with the dots, and then Lawyer
Speaker 1: Lawler and and uh and uh Braxton Miller Fuller, those
Speaker 1: kind of guys talk about what you thought today and
Speaker 1: how the receivers worked, and it is anybody that really
Speaker 1: jumped out at you today in the workouts. You made
Speaker 1: fun of me a couple hours ago because I said,
Speaker 1: I think Will Fuller's working his way toward the first round,
Speaker 1: and I don't think that's crazy. I didn't say I
Speaker 1: was making fun of you. I haven't because I have
Speaker 1: been the Siban's second round myself. But I said first round.
Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure you said like I'm gonna kick
Speaker 1: you off the show. You're stupid. I'm pretty sure I
Speaker 1: say that. I thought there was somebody else I said
Speaker 1: that for. I don't know, maybe it was Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was me. I think either way, I Will Fuller, how
Speaker 1: could you not be blown away by what he's done here?
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, Jeff, tell what's wrong with Will Fuller?
Speaker 1: What's wrong with Will Well? I'll tell you what. And
Speaker 1: I think that's why I don't know if I would
Speaker 1: say first round. I guess it all depends how many
Speaker 1: receivers are going to go in the first round. When
Speaker 1: I say first round, I'm talking mid to mid twenties
Speaker 1: to third. Oh no, I'm just saying, okay, I'm still
Speaker 1: a first round. I'm saying it depends how many wide
Speaker 1: receivers go. Because the biggest knock that I would have
Speaker 1: for you on Will Fuller, he did a great job
Speaker 1: of not doing that at all today. He was great today.
Speaker 1: He did a great job with his hands today, and
Speaker 1: that was the biggest thing for will Fuller. We knew
Speaker 1: he was going to run a four three. Absolutely, no,
Speaker 1: he's fast. We know he's quick. We know that he's
Speaker 1: a body catcher, right and then today when you run
Speaker 1: the gauntlet, when you run these drills, you can tell
Speaker 1: that the one thing he's been working on is let
Speaker 1: me show these teams I can catch the ball with
Speaker 1: my hands. And he went out there and I thought
Speaker 1: he did it well today. I don't know how much
Speaker 1: you can be convinced in shorts with nobody covering you,
Speaker 1: when somebody's catching with their hands that they've changed as
Speaker 1: a football player. But I thought he did as good
Speaker 1: as he could have done in terms of helping his stock.
Speaker 1: Josh Doson is the guy that I think, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think he's in the first round, and I would bet
Speaker 1: on it. I think he's a first rounder now right
Speaker 1: Because he jumped him, Michael Thompson or Thomas, Michael Thomas
Speaker 1: from Ohio state your brains. I think that. I think
Speaker 1: that's a flavor pick. I think that's that's one hundred
Speaker 1: percent of flavor pick. What do you want your receiver
Speaker 1: to do? Because Michael Thomas ran at four or five eight,
Speaker 1: Josh Dockson ran faster, he jumped higher. His tape, he
Speaker 1: makes more acrobatic catches. Michael Thomas is a six foot
Speaker 1: three guy who's also going to run routes to get separation. Dockson,
Speaker 1: we don't really know on his ability to run a
Speaker 1: bunch of routs. Yeah, Michael Thomas, we do so for me.
Speaker 1: Josh Doson, when you combine his tape with now what
Speaker 1: I know is measurable. I compare him to what Alan
Speaker 1: Robinson is doing in Jacksonville. O. Kat will tell you
Speaker 1: though he has trouble against the press coverage something he
Speaker 1: does when he's when the contested the contested line place.
Speaker 1: But the things that that he does that are really
Speaker 1: good are very appealing when he throw in some of
Speaker 1: the things that we learned today. Watched him. The broad
Speaker 1: jump was I think ten. I mean it was amazing,
Speaker 1: big vertical he wins. You're in the red zone and
Speaker 1: you're telling me you've got Dez on one side and
Speaker 1: Josh Doxon on the other. We'll score every time. And
Speaker 1: that's the things that he does. Well, Okay, let me
Speaker 1: ask the panel this question. Then, were you more impressed
Speaker 1: with what Dotson did today or what Braxton Miller didn't do? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That was I mean I thought everyone was Everyone was
Speaker 1: a little slow today, you know, but yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: I thought Braxton would have been in the four four territories. Sure.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and watching uh wow, he's uh it
Speaker 1: was his chance to kind of separate himself, and I
Speaker 1: thought so too at people in the second and third round.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there going, well, hell, Tyler Boyd might be
Speaker 1: as fast as Braxton Miller. Now it's what it looks
Speaker 1: like the way he's going in Tyler board round of
Speaker 1: four six or something like that. But Tyler Boyd is
Speaker 1: a is a good wide receiver, runs good rounds, catches
Speaker 1: the ball. Well, there aren't as many questions about his game,
Speaker 1: as there are with Braxton Miller due to his experience
Speaker 1: at the position. Him running a four or five I
Speaker 1: thought was uh not. It was not something that was
Speaker 1: savory at all. I thought it was. It was kind
Speaker 1: of unexpected. I'm gonna go ahead. If it wouldn't sound
Speaker 1: so bad on the mic, I'd make like a big
Speaker 1: fart noise for Braxton Miller. Could I mean down today?
Speaker 1: All that hype in I mean the Senior Bowl he
Speaker 1: was probably we all talked about it was the first
Speaker 1: round receiver. He was amazing at the Senior Bowl. We're like,
Speaker 1: this guy could be working his way toward the first round.
Speaker 1: He said it himself on Wednesday. I believe I'm no
Speaker 1: doubt I'm a first rounder. Surprisingly slow. I just honest,
Speaker 1: five three who run faster at Ohio State, I believe. Granted,
Speaker 1: I recognize that a four or five. Calling a four
Speaker 1: or five slow is stupid. Somebody who find me somebody
Speaker 1: who runs a four or five three, who runs the
Speaker 1: forty fifty times and it's always four or five three,
Speaker 1: Line him up against Braxton Miller, and I'll put my
Speaker 1: money on Braxton Miller every day of the week. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're still you're still bullish on Braxton Miller. I think
Speaker 1: that the one drill where because I was looking through
Speaker 1: his times trying to find, okay, where did it show up?
Speaker 1: You look at the sixty yard shuttle and he dominated
Speaker 1: yet a combination of speed and changing direction again he
Speaker 1: dominated it. Yeah, that dude's athleticism. I have no doubts.
Speaker 1: I watched him compete against guys at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: Do you think he's a first rounder? I think someone
Speaker 1: might take that chance. I wouldn't because I think there's
Speaker 1: enough questions I think, And yeah, Braxon Miller's perfectly fine.
Speaker 1: He's a good player. It's not so much that he's bad.
Speaker 1: It's just the hype really that he didn't meet the
Speaker 1: expectations and he set them for himself too, which I did.
Speaker 1: So it's not like, you know, if it's you could
Speaker 1: be like, well, it's not the kid's fault, but like
Speaker 1: he embraced all those expectations and he didn't meet up.
Speaker 1: Let's let me ask you, but before we have to
Speaker 1: go to break here, how about Sterling Shepherd Today? Great
Speaker 1: day for Oklahoma. I thought he had a great day.
Speaker 1: I believe his official time ended up being four four eight, right,
Speaker 1: that's outstanding for a guy of his size. Agility drills,
Speaker 1: when he does them at his pro day, they're gonna
Speaker 1: be great because on tape that's what he does right
Speaker 1: on tape, that's what that guy is. He's quickness, he's
Speaker 1: he's instant burst in acceleration. He plucks the ball so easily.
Speaker 1: To me, size is his only limitation. But I think
Speaker 1: with his size and the weights, okay, and the shiftiness,
Speaker 1: I think that's a second round kind of player that
Speaker 1: I can line up outside and I feel good. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's what I was gonna ask you, Kki, you feel
Speaker 1: like he could play outside? I do, I really do.
Speaker 1: And then we're selling up for the Senior Bowl too.
Speaker 1: That it was really impressive, and yeah, I do want
Speaker 1: to throw out another name too. And he didn't run
Speaker 1: the forty and on that, but Treadwell well with it
Speaker 1: the gauntlet, did everything you said. Okay, that looks really good,
Speaker 1: right there. Jumps were bad. Lord Dreadwell's jumps were bad
Speaker 1: in terms of if you're looking for the guy who's
Speaker 1: gonna put up Josh Docks and combine numbers. But but
Speaker 1: I tweeted this one out and I believe this. We
Speaker 1: can go through a combine with Lakwan Treadwell against whoever
Speaker 1: your super athletic favorite guy is, and your guy might
Speaker 1: beat Lakwan Treadwell. When we put on pads and play football.
Speaker 1: I'll take Lakwan Treadwell and he's gonna take the ball
Speaker 1: off the top of your head. Yeah. Second, I second thought.
Speaker 1: That's a great call right there. Okay, we're gonna be
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Speaker 1: late ninety nine ninety nine. This is the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: dot Com Draft back here from the Lucas Oil Stadium
Speaker 1: here in Indianapolis. Final draft show of the week here. Uh,
Speaker 1: really enjoyed our time here in Indianapolis. Enjoyed all the
Speaker 1: interaction we've had with the players in here and getting
Speaker 1: to learn these guys, matching the film with the personalities
Speaker 1: and stuff. We've seen a lot of great guys and
Speaker 1: look forward to working on this draft some more. This
Speaker 1: is a it's a really really stressful busy week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's so much fun. Like it might be the
Speaker 1: most fun thing that we do other than probably watched
Speaker 1: the sixteen regular season games. But it's a blast. I
Speaker 1: enjoyed this tiny year because again, when you get to
Speaker 1: when you get to watch the tape and then you
Speaker 1: get to physically go up and talk to the players
Speaker 1: and ask them questions and again, like I said, see
Speaker 1: the personalities that they have, and hopefully that the you know,
Speaker 1: the ones that uh you know that you get to
Speaker 1: draft you have a little bit more interaction with him.
Speaker 1: So that'll be cool. So um, like I said, this
Speaker 1: is our last show and then we'll be back at
Speaker 1: our normal time next Friday at eleven am getting into
Speaker 1: some pro days and things like that that are coming
Speaker 1: up now that the combines. So we're so with all
Speaker 1: that being said, we like to interact with you. We
Speaker 1: do it so through Twitter at the draft show. If
Speaker 1: your questions, uh, fire him to Dave that way. And
Speaker 1: again I always thank ed k Hill for this segment.
Speaker 1: So let's do a little Twitter on the twenty Dave,
Speaker 1: you got it twenty all right? This is I mean,
Speaker 1: we're dealing so far in the world of hypotheticals, but
Speaker 1: who cares. It's Saturday Night. Uh, friend of the show Landing. Okay,
Speaker 1: he wants to know he is good people. Uh, he
Speaker 1: wants to know. If you're presented with these three options,
Speaker 1: do you a trade back three spots in the first round,
Speaker 1: pick up a second round pick, and draft Ezekiel Elliott? Oh,
Speaker 1: we get a two for that. Okay, you're I mean
Speaker 1: you're calling the shots in the top five. B Do
Speaker 1: you take Jalen Ramsey at four or see your quarterback
Speaker 1: of choice at four? Oh? I take my quarterback of
Speaker 1: choice because Jared Goff. Yeah, And I get it. Like
Speaker 1: these answers are different for different people. And I love
Speaker 1: interacting with people about the draft on Twitter, and everybody
Speaker 1: has a different opinion. Mine is what it is about
Speaker 1: Jared Golf. I think he's a future franchise quarterback unless
Speaker 1: Cleveland breaks his will to play sports. Okay, can I
Speaker 1: take our Can I take the one scenario out of there?
Speaker 1: Can you take the last scenario out about having your
Speaker 1: own quarterback and answer the other two rams? Why are
Speaker 1: you taking it out? Well, just because I think we
Speaker 1: would all take our quarterback. I know I would. I
Speaker 1: don't know about that. I think I think I a
Speaker 1: appeals to me a lot. I like, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I don't love any of these quarterbacks. I mean I like,
Speaker 1: I like golf the most, sure, but I'm not sure
Speaker 1: I love under that scenario though, I you know, I
Speaker 1: would I would take my quarterback. I would take my
Speaker 1: beastly franchise or running back and two more opportunities to
Speaker 1: add impact players in the top forty. But this for
Speaker 1: this team, for this team, for this team, they need
Speaker 1: to take the quarterback. Yeah, the team do. Their owner
Speaker 1: just said that he's gonna that Romo is gonna play
Speaker 1: for which is weird because I asked him because I said,
Speaker 1: I said, to the years after Aikman and before Romo
Speaker 1: affect what you think in terms of when you need
Speaker 1: to have a quarterback ready. But then everything that he
Speaker 1: said afterwards totally ignored that that period of time happened,
Speaker 1: and it's there, and it's like, you're not going to
Speaker 1: be back here to pretend that you're going to pick
Speaker 1: a guy in the fifth round and develop him and
Speaker 1: you're gonna punk him in there right after Romo's gone.
Speaker 1: It's crazy talk, Anthony right, Clint Sterner, Ryan right now,
Speaker 1: and enjoy it, Kayte, what would you do? I would. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we're taking out the quarterback, go ahead and take
Speaker 1: the quarterback. Yeah, I'll take the quarterback. I'll take golf
Speaker 1: at four. But say that doesn't happen, Say golfs off
Speaker 1: the board, and I don't like anyone else at four,
Speaker 1: I would do the trade back thing. And the reason
Speaker 1: why you're telling me that I'm trading back and I'm
Speaker 1: getting a second, Yeah, I'm gonna use that other second
Speaker 1: to get a really good player, because there is such
Speaker 1: a good pack. I mean after that top six or
Speaker 1: seven players, maybe six players, seven players, there's such a
Speaker 1: good pack right right there, receiver. Maybe it's a defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: I feel like I can get one. At thirty four.
Speaker 1: We'll draw it. Let's draw out the picture, because just
Speaker 1: for fun, if you're telling me that let's let's remove
Speaker 1: the quarterback, we've established what we do if he's there, right, No,
Speaker 1: but we've established what we would do. Y'all have established
Speaker 1: what you would do. I'm sticking to my guns. I
Speaker 1: think that's just me. I'm not in love with these
Speaker 1: quarterbacks anyway. Go ahead, you're getting voted here, that's fair.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying to create the hypothetical again Okay, after
Speaker 1: eliminating that we've already done that one. Okay, now it's
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey at four, or you have an opportunity to
Speaker 1: go back three spots, get Zeke and added two. I
Speaker 1: always want more picks, I mean, and that's just the
Speaker 1: way I'm wired. I don't know, plus I of Zeke,
Speaker 1: so in this draft, I think that's great if you
Speaker 1: said that, if you if you gave me that scenario,
Speaker 1: I would take the pick and go back. I would.
Speaker 1: I would. I would take the pick, go back and
Speaker 1: take Zeke. I would too, because especially because what that
Speaker 1: number two is in this draft, and maybe we don't
Speaker 1: know who's there and who's not sure, but maybe that
Speaker 1: extra pick is a Sterling Shepherd at wide receiver. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's a Ronald Blair at defensive end. Maybe it's one
Speaker 1: of these defensive tackles. And you're so then you're saying,
Speaker 1: do you want Zeke and another starter or do you
Speaker 1: want Jalen Ramsey? Yeah? How many did Zeke? I mean?
Speaker 1: How many did Ronald thirty two on the bench led
Speaker 1: all defensive lineman at two hundred and eighty two pounds. Impressive, America.
Speaker 1: If you don't know Ronald Blair, get to know him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen about Oh, I had it right here.
Speaker 1: Hang on, I gotta pull it back up. That's Twitter
Speaker 1: a lot coming in. Okay, Okay, Chad wants to know. Uh,
Speaker 1: can y'all give him a player comparison for Leon Leonte Carew,
Speaker 1: who was at the Senior Bowl. You know what? He
Speaker 1: Actually he ran faster than I thought he wouldn't have five.
Speaker 1: He doesn't necessarily play that fast on tape. Sure. I
Speaker 1: am not incredibly high on Leonte Carew. I've got him
Speaker 1: in the fourth round. Yeah, but I thought he had
Speaker 1: a good day to day. Actually, I thought when he
Speaker 1: went to the Gauntlet, I thought he looked up pretty smooth.
Speaker 1: And you know I coming up with the comparison of
Speaker 1: him is very tough to do on Dane's gotta be there,
Speaker 1: comparison guy, you got this? Um, I need a guy
Speaker 1: that's not real tall, but he's a good route runner,
Speaker 1: he's a strong player, does have a history. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was trying to think of man I could because I'm
Speaker 1: with Kat, I'm I'm I don't have him as we
Speaker 1: could have done this. We could have done this on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: I just think it's it's too we're two burned out. No, no,
Speaker 1: you can. But I mean again, I tend to tend
Speaker 1: to try and compare guys that I really like exactly,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I mean and nothing. And again,
Speaker 1: if you're a Rutgers fan, hey, you know, God bless you.
Speaker 1: That's great. And he did he did, like Hughes he's
Speaker 1: talking about, though he worked out better than I thought
Speaker 1: he would. Yeah, he really did. And so you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would. I would like to think that, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: because I'm always trying to sell guys, and so I
Speaker 1: have to come up with a guy to sell and
Speaker 1: I don't have a guy to sell with him, all right,
Speaker 1: And I've been trying to get to this all week
Speaker 1: and there hasn't been a good opportunity. But Eddie wants
Speaker 1: to know. Are we ignoring tight ends too much? I
Speaker 1: feel like Cowboys fans don't want to hear about tight end,
Speaker 1: especially after the way their last big tight end pick went.
Speaker 1: But that guy, I'll tell you what, if you want
Speaker 1: to tight end to succeed, have him leaved out. Leaved
Speaker 1: out absolutely, But well, I mean James Hannah might do
Speaker 1: just that in three weeks and Gavin Escobar doesn't look
Speaker 1: likely to be playing anytime soon. I can tell you personally,
Speaker 1: I am ignoring the tight end position. And we've watched
Speaker 1: tape on four or five guys, right, But I can
Speaker 1: tell you it's never anything I'm excited about or thinking
Speaker 1: a lot about. And I probably should because I think
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry would be exciting for a team if you're
Speaker 1: gonna use him like a Jimmy Graham kind of guy,
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry from Arkansas, because in terms of getting down
Speaker 1: the field and catching the ball, he's really really good.
Speaker 1: But I know if you put a tight end here,
Speaker 1: he's going to be lined up on the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: They're gonna ask him to block. Yeah, and Hunter Henry's
Speaker 1: gonna get every single running play blown up because he's
Speaker 1: not physically capable. You know, well, you traded your six
Speaker 1: to get back into the seventh last year for Jeff Swayin.
Speaker 1: You just use him, well, you just hope it Swayin
Speaker 1: get can put on some weight and get a little
Speaker 1: bit better doing that. Signed James Hannah. Yeah, James Hannah,
Speaker 1: that's a great idea. A j Matta. Speaking of free agency,
Speaker 1: Stephen and Jerry Jones both took this week to emphatically
Speaker 1: state that they want Rolando McLean back on their defense.
Speaker 1: Not that that's an indicator of anything, but they appear
Speaker 1: to be very interested in that. Does that tell you
Speaker 1: anything about their opinion on Miles Jack. Do you feel
Speaker 1: as good about Miles Jack as a candidate for as
Speaker 1: maybe you did, because that I mean, that's your guy,
Speaker 1: that's my guy. If they signed, if they that they
Speaker 1: resigned McLean, then then that would mean that that they
Speaker 1: would probably put Anti Hitchens as the backup Mike, and
Speaker 1: so they probably where he needs to be. Yeah, there'll
Speaker 1: be no need then to to draft Miles Jack if
Speaker 1: that's the case. And some people were talking about that
Speaker 1: maybe the medical was going to come back badly on
Speaker 1: Miles Jack. I think on March fifteenth, Miles Jack is
Speaker 1: going to blow everybody away with a work out there
Speaker 1: out in Westwood and and then we'll see some other
Speaker 1: team will get that opportunity. But if they resigned Rwanda McClean,
Speaker 1: I think that does put the end to my dream
Speaker 1: for having Miles jacklins. What if he's the best player
Speaker 1: on your board, We talk about it all the time.
Speaker 1: He's right they're your best player on the board. Even
Speaker 1: if you did sign Rolanda McClean, I'll tell you what
Speaker 1: I'm not comfortable doing. I'm not all on counting on
Speaker 1: Rolanda McLean or Sean Leefer. Sixteen games, Jack is still
Speaker 1: on the board at that he's my number one guy
Speaker 1: on the board that I'm taking him. That's that, you
Speaker 1: know what, and that's and that's well said, and that's
Speaker 1: and that it should be the case. I just don't
Speaker 1: know if they would operate that way. I think we
Speaker 1: would operate that way, but you know, we're not working
Speaker 1: for an NFL team in the draft room. Be smarter
Speaker 1: for them off that. But one thing I always learned,
Speaker 1: and that was Ron Wolf and with the Packers, was hey,
Speaker 1: you feel good about a position, go ahead and add
Speaker 1: another guy to it. But that's you know, they at
Speaker 1: that fourth pick. I mean, somebody will say, oh, you
Speaker 1: gotta have this or have that or have something else.
Speaker 1: But if they if he's a top five player in
Speaker 1: my opinion when you watch him play, he is a
Speaker 1: top five player, and if you know, I hopefully they
Speaker 1: will give him his due and uh, you know, and
Speaker 1: see where the chips fall. He's a top one player.
Speaker 1: Wow to one. He's the best there ever was, the
Speaker 1: greatest of all time. We call him the game. He's
Speaker 1: one on your board, good lord, order one on your board,
Speaker 1: Miles Jack. Yeah, you've you've been. I'm probably not fair
Speaker 1: in saying that because I would take Jared Goff over
Speaker 1: any position player available. That's true because if I think
Speaker 1: he's a good starting quarterback, he's more important than j. J. Watt.
Speaker 1: He's more important than anybody in the league. He's a quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we rate quarterbacks high. Michael wants to know he's a
Speaker 1: pit alumni. Oh, Boyd, he wants it. Well, good guy,
Speaker 1: I mean, an easy guess, but good guess he wants
Speaker 1: he wants to swap out Tyler Boyd for Devin's Street.
Speaker 1: Well it's a great question, Michael, but you can't just
Speaker 1: do that. You can't just swap him out. But no,
Speaker 1: Tyler Boyd is a great player. He ran a four
Speaker 1: or five eight. Yeah it's on the forty and I'm
Speaker 1: not sure about the agility drills. But see, that's what
Speaker 1: he is though, Yeah, that's what he is. That's the
Speaker 1: big concern with him, is he Are you gonna do
Speaker 1: anything for me after the catch, right, and I don't
Speaker 1: think Tyler Boyd's gonna give you a lot of that.
Speaker 1: What he is is a good route runner and a
Speaker 1: good good hands, maybe the best hands in the draft. Monster.
Speaker 1: We saw that against King from Iowa, who we thought
Speaker 1: was initially when we were starting this journey, was one
Speaker 1: of the best corners in the country. So yeah, he
Speaker 1: has he's he's one of those guys who'll catch the football.
Speaker 1: I think Kat's right though, for those big plays. If
Speaker 1: you're okay with just you know, and a lot of
Speaker 1: people say, well, Dallas has nobody that can blow the
Speaker 1: top off off off a defense. And that's why, you know,
Speaker 1: Dave was saying, well, hey how about Will four. He'll
Speaker 1: blow the top off a defense. So day, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think if you had somebody that could really really if
Speaker 1: you could really if you had somebody could really, really
Speaker 1: really run, you would say, okay, yeah, trade him out.
Speaker 1: But if you're interested in having somebody that could play
Speaker 1: the vertical game, you know, Boyd's not that guy. Keenan
Speaker 1: Allen was a comparison. I think that a lot of
Speaker 1: people will think we're talking about that type of a guy.
Speaker 1: All right, Um, all right, I got two we'll do.
Speaker 1: I'm worried about getting to this guy because I feel
Speaker 1: like we've talked to him too much. But Isaac wants
Speaker 1: to know, Um, what are your thoughts? And we saw him,
Speaker 1: we saw him today too, Vernon Adams, any any thoughts
Speaker 1: do you? Oregon? Yes, I mean Frank here guy and hey,
Speaker 1: we're talking about you don't want to go later than
Speaker 1: the fourth round for a quarterback? Does this guy do
Speaker 1: anything for you? I hear people talking about him. He's
Speaker 1: he's undersized, and I'll give him credit for being a gamer.
Speaker 1: That's what they said at the Shrine Game. Sure, that's
Speaker 1: what a lot of people that you talk to talk
Speaker 1: about that guy being a gamer. But for a guy
Speaker 1: who may not have been drafted before the Shrine Game started,
Speaker 1: I just I think that you're pinning your hopes on
Speaker 1: something that doesn't happen a lot. For a guy who
Speaker 1: most teams look at and they're like, I don't know
Speaker 1: that he's an NFL player that becomes what a late
Speaker 1: day three pick or or a free agent. Come to
Speaker 1: camp and see what you can do. That's what I mean.
Speaker 1: And that's what we were talking about when you're talking
Speaker 1: about that late in the draft that kind of prospect
Speaker 1: and Graham, there's always there's always room for the one
Speaker 1: percent success story. But I got showers on your team already,
Speaker 1: probably not adding a guy that's gonna significantly improve your team.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this him and this is and
Speaker 1: I know this is gonna be met with some booze
Speaker 1: and jeers and all that. If it came down to
Speaker 1: him at the end or a Cody Kessler, I'll take
Speaker 1: him Vernon Adams win the game at the end. This
Speaker 1: is this is the Cody Kessler like, no unappreciation. Cody
Speaker 1: Kesler didn't try to win a football. Watched it. I
Speaker 1: watched it with y'all. It was in you to be
Speaker 1: down two touchdowns with four and a half minutes left.
Speaker 1: Never I just wanted to marry strange. He also has
Speaker 1: a noodle arm, but that's well. How about the Indiana
Speaker 1: quarterback that worked today? What'd you think of him today?
Speaker 1: I saw some bad accuracy. I saw some really crappy
Speaker 1: got an arm, his feet his feet or he hops,
Speaker 1: he's like he's playing baseball. He gets back, he kind
Speaker 1: of does this like he jumps to throw, and it's
Speaker 1: it's messed him up there. I think there's a few
Speaker 1: mid to rate lounge guys like with a shot to
Speaker 1: develop to play. If you're looking somebody say about Hogan today, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not going to impress you right now, but he's
Speaker 1: got a shot to be something in three or four
Speaker 1: if you need a guy to survive on your roster
Speaker 1: for four years and hopefully survived for your team if
Speaker 1: your starter goes down for two games. Okay, he throws
Speaker 1: a long ball like he's stowing the javelin. He puts
Speaker 1: his entire body in it. And I thought I was
Speaker 1: at the seventy six games in Montreal the way. I mean,
Speaker 1: he has a clean pocket and the guy's open, he's
Speaker 1: got a chance, and and anything short intermediate him moving
Speaker 1: around fine. And then it's funny because I talk about
Speaker 1: Paxton Lynch. He throw through the ball well downfield, but
Speaker 1: underneath he didn't throw it as well. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that's because of how big he is, Like
Speaker 1: that's just I don't know. His hurt one of a
Speaker 1: good point. Yeah, it's just sometimes these taller guys, the
Speaker 1: body type to touch for them is a little bit
Speaker 1: more difficult. Something they have to develop. Where he threw
Speaker 1: three straight passes that that that double move that they ran,
Speaker 1: you know, and then went to the corner like the
Speaker 1: post corner. He threw three straight passes like if you
Speaker 1: put a trash can down there, and it would go
Speaker 1: on into the trash can every single time. But then
Speaker 1: some of the underneath stuff. Early he was awful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he ran. There was an en route where I saw
Speaker 1: him throw the ball and the receiver stopped and then
Speaker 1: he had to turn around and walk like eight yards
Speaker 1: that way, Yeah, and then take a knee to go
Speaker 1: to where the ball was. It was really interesting, but
Speaker 1: he was golf had one no eye guy came across
Speaker 1: the phenomenal day by golf not at all. The guys
Speaker 1: are just trying to fit your own narratives right now.
Speaker 1: That's all that's happened here. Um, all right. I mean
Speaker 1: this is one of the most talked about guys at
Speaker 1: the combine. Were talking about him yesterday. I don't care.
Speaker 1: DA wants to know if Derrick Henry did anything to
Speaker 1: change your mind this week. Uh, you know, if you
Speaker 1: want him, you probably know you have to get him
Speaker 1: at thirty four, I would say, and maybe you feel
Speaker 1: willing to do that. Yeah, do you think that's true.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think him at sixty seven is possible? No,
Speaker 1: that's just me being an idiot. YEA, yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: I to me and I'll let Kavanaugh to talk about
Speaker 1: this though, because I thought he brought up a very
Speaker 1: interesting point about the shuttles and things like that, the
Speaker 1: change of directions, and then people will tweet at you
Speaker 1: about well, DeMarco Murray was just as bad and all that.
Speaker 1: DeMarco Murray was a third round pick. All right, we're
Speaker 1: talking everything. De Marco Murray went to an offense where
Speaker 1: they ran the ball laterally right and how did you
Speaker 1: like the way that looked? Yeah, he plays sideways exactly,
Speaker 1: three guys, that's what they do. Murray was what seventy one?
Speaker 1: I think he was right. I think he was in
Speaker 1: the seventies. But anyway, Derrick Henry would have a shot
Speaker 1: to be very very good here. I think he absolutely would.
Speaker 1: There's a mc downhill runner. He's a downhill runner, and
Speaker 1: they're going to give him a chance. There's not gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot of times with this line. I just
Speaker 1: gets blow seventy one. I nailed it. I just don't
Speaker 1: like Boom. I thought he caught the ball well better
Speaker 1: than no. He's he's a good player. I just don't.
Speaker 1: I just don't like the fact that he doesn't create.
Speaker 1: Are you taking him at thirty four because I'm not.
Speaker 1: That's the question to me, Derrick Henry, I'm taking him
Speaker 1: at sixty seven in the third round or not at all?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I'm okay with that. I would do a backflip.
Speaker 1: If I could get Derrick Henry at sixty seven, I
Speaker 1: would feel great about what he is. Feel better about
Speaker 1: about thirty four? Then, No, that's what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1: I would feel gret about it at sixty seven about
Speaker 1: would you feel better that one and not the other? Then,
Speaker 1: because you're talking about a whole you're talking literally talking
Speaker 1: about a whole round ahead. I mean first and second round.
Speaker 1: I'm testing how much you really like the game first
Speaker 1: and second round. I want a guy who's going to
Speaker 1: be like a starter stud right away. You can take
Speaker 1: a running back at thirty four. His name is Kenneth Dixon.
Speaker 1: If you want to take a running back, you don't
Speaker 1: think that. You don't think that Henry, if he even
Speaker 1: if you got him at sixty seven, wouldn't be the starter. No,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that they would set it.
Speaker 1: I think they would platoon it. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: it would be okay if you if you took him
Speaker 1: at thirty four, do you think you'd be the starter.
Speaker 1: I don't think where they draft. You just said you
Speaker 1: don't feel I don't like his talent level enough to
Speaker 1: spend that rich of a pick on him. That's all
Speaker 1: I mean, that's all I'm saying. But you're committed to
Speaker 1: him in the third but not in the second because
Speaker 1: it's a much less valuable draft pick. Like you're acting
Speaker 1: like those are different, like those are the same thing. No,
Speaker 1: I've just seen how committed you were toed the player.
Speaker 1: I mean, I would feel great about drafting Paxton Lynch
Speaker 1: if it was the fifteenth overall pick or the twentieth
Speaker 1: overall pick instead of the fourth. Where you take them matters.
Speaker 1: I'm just you're literally you're You're take Packs and Lynch
Speaker 1: at sixty seven. I'm with you. No, that's not what
Speaker 1: I said. I do want to say this though, because
Speaker 1: it's smoke screen season. There was like a report today
Speaker 1: the Titans want to pound the ball and get a
Speaker 1: big physical nber one. No, not at one but you
Speaker 1: know who picks at number thirty three right before thirty
Speaker 1: four or the Cowboys pick is the Tennessee Titans, So
Speaker 1: that could be a place for Deeric Henry. Or maybe
Speaker 1: it's he goes to Tennessee at thirty three. You can
Speaker 1: oh I had him, No, I had that. I mean
Speaker 1: to be like, man, I just don't know what I
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is about him that's so
Speaker 1: special that makes people think he would go that high.
Speaker 1: I he is. He's a he's a specimen man. He's
Speaker 1: a it's a Heisman Trophy winner. I know, Dave Man whatever.
Speaker 1: I love a lot of Alabama players, which is tough
Speaker 1: for me to do. My favorite guy in this draft
Speaker 1: went to Ole Miss, which is my least favorite school
Speaker 1: in the world. But I don't know. I just I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, you're talking about a valuable pick
Speaker 1: up there. That's that's my opinion. And I wonder if
Speaker 1: you could just survive at running back this year because
Speaker 1: next year, holy cow, running back cost that's coming. There's
Speaker 1: two or three ze. You want to be four and
Speaker 1: twelve again and have your rating time and have a
Speaker 1: miserable year. Kind of we can do draft talk all year.
Speaker 1: We could just start talking draft in October. Next year,
Speaker 1: we started in November. Other people can talk about the game.
Speaker 1: We've talked about every college player that's coming to the
Speaker 1: Cowboys all week because we get what pe four net
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook Cook, I mean the guys that the guys
Speaker 1: that you're going to be excited together those guys are.
Speaker 1: I mean you're gonna have to be bad to get
Speaker 1: those guys. Okay, well, see this is where the narrative,
Speaker 1: like you say, will change. Everybody will forget it. Oh,
Speaker 1: there's there's no value of taking or running back in
Speaker 1: the top five. There's no value there. Get out of here,
Speaker 1: and they're not gonna pop four of them in the
Speaker 1: top fifty taking to line them up. They're gonna line
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Speaker 1: Showboys back here on the Draft Show from Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, Indiana.
Speaker 1: Final ten minutes at the Draft Show for our time here,
Speaker 1: I want to get into tomorrow. Well, actually the next
Speaker 1: couple of days, we've got defensive players. All the offensive
Speaker 1: players have gone through. Jerry Jones on the bus, yes,
Speaker 1: talking about defensive players trying to help this football team.
Speaker 1: It was it was pretty enlightening. I mean, he wasn't
Speaker 1: saying anything that we didn't know, but it's always interesting
Speaker 1: to hear, you know, guys like that talk on the record.
Speaker 1: Just I mean, he basically said, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm gonna feel as good about our defense entering the
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen season as I did last year. When you know,
Speaker 1: they added Greg Hardy and they drafted Randy Gregory, and
Speaker 1: they got McLean back, and you know, Scandrick was was healthy,
Speaker 1: Moe was still under contracts, and and he said, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff that's going to happen in
Speaker 1: the next sixty days. Where before this, you know, rosters
Speaker 1: really finalized for training camp. Um, but it's gonna be
Speaker 1: tough for them to match the and and again, obviously
Speaker 1: the season didn't go the way they wanted it too,
Speaker 1: but they had so much potential on paper to be great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think he was saying it's it's gonna be
Speaker 1: tough for them to match that, you know, as productive
Speaker 1: an offseason as they had last year, they got their
Speaker 1: work cut out for him. I think that's very much
Speaker 1: relate to the fact that he and everyone else thinks
Speaker 1: that a certain pass rusher is not coming back. See
Speaker 1: that's what That's what I was saying. I was I
Speaker 1: was following you on Twitter. I was back here doing
Speaker 1: some work and watching the workouts, and you and you
Speaker 1: were tweeting about Randy Gregory, and I was interested that
Speaker 1: what the thoughts you guys had, you know, the demeanor,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure Jerry I've seen that look on his
Speaker 1: face before. It's probably really pained to have to talk
Speaker 1: about Randy Gregory and what transpired for him this year. Well,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't. That's the second Jones that I've heard
Speaker 1: allude to the fact that there may be more games
Speaker 1: to come that Rador Gregory could miss. And he, I mean,
Speaker 1: he went through it. How there's not a lot of
Speaker 1: room for error for a guy who funked a drug
Speaker 1: test at the combine. Yeah, you get tested a lot,
Speaker 1: he said. I believe Jerry said he's ninety eight tested
Speaker 1: more than ninety eight percent of the NFL. Right, So
Speaker 1: if you've got. If you've got something going on that
Speaker 1: you can't get a handle on, it's going to be
Speaker 1: caught and it's going to be exposed. And so I
Speaker 1: I think you're in danger of needing to build your
Speaker 1: roster as if Randy Gregory doesn't exists. That's been my
Speaker 1: theory with Shawn Lee the last couple of years. Good point,
Speaker 1: and I love it when he's available. I love I
Speaker 1: love Sean Lee. I love the player, he's outstanding. But
Speaker 1: sometimes you just got to build a roster as if
Speaker 1: that guy's not going to be there. Because I'm hearing
Speaker 1: enough people and high places on this team who it
Speaker 1: seems like, have very real concerns about how often Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory's going to be available to play football. And you
Speaker 1: feel like that Randy Gregory might play twelve games and
Speaker 1: not play anymore in his career for the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: as possible when he pop drug tests. But I mean, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: and it's possible. And he was very uh, I mean,
Speaker 1: he owned up to it. Look, look, we knew the
Speaker 1: risk coming in. He said, Look, if we didn't take
Speaker 1: him at sixty, someone else was gonna take him. Right,
Speaker 1: it probably would have been the Seahawks or someone like that. Right,
Speaker 1: what makes it a bummer is that finding an edge
Speaker 1: rusher is so hard to do. It's such a premium position,
Speaker 1: and there's just not a lot of them, And so
Speaker 1: the idea of building your roster like that without without
Speaker 1: having ready Gregory, You're going, Man, what do I gotta do? Now?
Speaker 1: I've got to miss DeMarcus Lawrence my best edge rusher?
Speaker 1: Right now? Am I bringing back Mincy? What am I
Speaker 1: doing in free agency? Who can I get in the draft? Like?
Speaker 1: I don't want them to be in a position to
Speaker 1: be forced to go a defensive line. But that's well,
Speaker 1: it's the type of thing that at least crawls into
Speaker 1: your mind. Now, it's not a smart way to go
Speaker 1: about things, but it does crawl into your mind. I
Speaker 1: might need to get a defensive line in here, Dave,
Speaker 1: what do you think about Joey Bosa? I? He and
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm definitely just just from what you I'm
Speaker 1: the personal side of it at all. I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: influenced by you and other things that I've read, and
Speaker 1: I just, uh, I don't know, he makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense to me, just in the fact it does
Speaker 1: make sense he makes so, and I wrote about that
Speaker 1: yesterday and encourage you to read it on Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: dot com. Solid player. And you know you have your
Speaker 1: concerns that maybe he'll never be like a truly a
Speaker 1: lead pass rusher. Sure easily the biggest position of need
Speaker 1: on this roster. I think he can be an immediate contributor.
Speaker 1: Maybe not like a ten SAC guy right away, but
Speaker 1: he'll immediately do something. You know. I know he had
Speaker 1: his own suspension, in his own problems, but he doesn't
Speaker 1: strike me as being a guy that you have to
Speaker 1: worry about. And I really do think that there's going
Speaker 1: to be some some Jason Garrett emphasis on, some right
Speaker 1: kind of guys this offseason after the other way didn't
Speaker 1: work last year. Yeah I told you so. Yeah, yeah, kinda. So.
Speaker 1: I mean you're looking at it. And but to Kat's point,
Speaker 1: I mean, I hate the idea of drafting a defensive
Speaker 1: end because you have to have one or else you
Speaker 1: got nobody. I sit here and look, and they've got
Speaker 1: cap room. I think they have to add bodies plural
Speaker 1: to that defensive line in free agency. I think you
Speaker 1: have to because you don't want to be in a
Speaker 1: position where you have to get Joey Bosa in order
Speaker 1: to have a viable defensive line in twenty sixteen. So
Speaker 1: maybe I mean, and you know, maybe they don't break
Speaker 1: the bank for a guy, but they just need to
Speaker 1: do some work to try try to upgrade the talent. There,
Speaker 1: Jeff convinced me about Noah Spence. I was going to
Speaker 1: ask you about Noah Spence because I'll tell you this
Speaker 1: about about Spence. I do think you'd have to do
Speaker 1: this in before or yes, I'm absolutely talking about it.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about it four because if he's on a team,
Speaker 1: he's going in the top ten. Okay, tell me if
Speaker 1: it's where he belongs, and it it with me. It
Speaker 1: comes with a question that I don't think I've heard
Speaker 1: from anybody else yet, but it's Noah Spence from the
Speaker 1: season to the Senior Bowl. To hear, it looks like
Speaker 1: has been taking off weight yea, and to me that
Speaker 1: it seems like he's gearing up to be an outside linebacker. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So my question is it is he willing and does
Speaker 1: a team want him? Do you pick him? And say, listen,
Speaker 1: I want you to put those fifteen back on because
Speaker 1: I'm putting your hand in the dirt and you're gonna
Speaker 1: come off this edge and you're going to be my
Speaker 1: pass rusher, right, And you know, and that's my question
Speaker 1: because I tell you, I came out of this week,
Speaker 1: and I came out of his media availability to where
Speaker 1: I'll take I'll take the character risk quote unquote, he's
Speaker 1: he's he's been far better shaped than a lot of
Speaker 1: guys spoke this week. I'm not I'm not worried about
Speaker 1: Noah Spence off the field. And maybe everybody can't say
Speaker 1: that to me, personally, I would feel good about it
Speaker 1: because I think I can prove that he's passed because
Speaker 1: I'll just tell him, I'll say, Hey, you said that
Speaker 1: you've been taking a drug test every week. But Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory also told us when drafted Hey that the team
Speaker 1: that slicks me didn't have to worry about Gregory funked
Speaker 1: his here at the job interview man read to me,
Speaker 1: that's so much different. After he got suspended, I went
Speaker 1: back and read a story that, um, I think it
Speaker 1: was NFL dot com. They got a big they got
Speaker 1: a big story with Gregory and like the quotes were
Speaker 1: just amazing, you know, like you know this will never
Speaker 1: happen I recognize what I had to do. Blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: and like if you read the story, you had to
Speaker 1: come away from that convinced that this kid had it
Speaker 1: together because he's a likable guy. Absolutely is a likable
Speaker 1: and that's and you know, No, I'm not knocking Noah
Speaker 1: Spence at all. I thought he was very impressive in
Speaker 1: his interview with Yure, very mature handled everything, was very
Speaker 1: accountable U all of that said, I'm sitting here listening
Speaker 1: to Jeff going, so you're gonna take another tweener pass
Speaker 1: rusher with a history of failing drug tests, but this
Speaker 1: one rushes the passer, this one gets the edge, this
Speaker 1: one doesn't get blocked by tight ends. I'm Randy Gregory.
Speaker 1: We didn't have I bet if I went back, I
Speaker 1: bet I encourage anyone to go back to he had
Speaker 1: him in the second round before a drug test because
Speaker 1: of on field. We watched Randy Gregory on the feet
Speaker 1: and we thought he was a second round player in
Speaker 1: the fifth best defensive end. He just put me in
Speaker 1: my place. No, it's a fair question though, because a
Speaker 1: lot of people will do that, they'll go back and
Speaker 1: say something that it's not what they said. Last year. Sure,
Speaker 1: our concerns with Randy Gregory got by, he got blocked
Speaker 1: by tight ends. I just remember, and yeah, like Jeff said,
Speaker 1: hindsight's twenty twenty. But I just remember thinking he would
Speaker 1: have been such a better fit as a three four
Speaker 1: linebacker than a four three end. And I and I
Speaker 1: feel that way about Spence right now, especially having seen
Speaker 1: him here physically. How he doesn't look like he's supposed
Speaker 1: to be down on the line with with the big guys.
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's just me though. Okay, through the
Speaker 1: draft process. I want to ask you this though, because
Speaker 1: you've done this before, you know, for in the NFL,
Speaker 1: how possible is it or likely is it that you
Speaker 1: you meet with the guy here or whatever, are you
Speaker 1: set up of workout at Valley Ranch when you get
Speaker 1: your when you get your okay, and you kind of
Speaker 1: tell him, look, you do what we ask put on
Speaker 1: some weight, yeah, or we'll take you for We like
Speaker 1: you enough, just we need you to do what we're
Speaker 1: asking you to do. Is that something that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: can do? And how likely does that? How how much
Speaker 1: is that happening? I'm sure they've talked to him about Listen,
Speaker 1: you know, you look like you keep dropping. Wait, we
Speaker 1: excite the seeing your ball. You're look you're getting you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's something you can't really guarantee that you will take
Speaker 1: you but you have to find a way to say, Man,
Speaker 1: if we're gonna play, you're gonna play as a defensive end.
Speaker 1: We gotta and you gotta. You're gonna have to be
Speaker 1: at x amount of you know, pounds for us to
Speaker 1: be able to have some success potentially doing this. Let
Speaker 1: me ask you, let me throw out one more name,
Speaker 1: because he dropped the Cowboys name without even being asked
Speaker 1: about it here, and he is a top five player
Speaker 1: we thought and on tape as a three four end.
Speaker 1: He's not an edge rusher. But you're talking about you
Speaker 1: need to add talent to the defensive line to help
Speaker 1: somebody else get sacks or to just have a better
Speaker 1: defensive line product to Forrest Buckner yoked about him last night.
Speaker 1: Yeah was surprised, and I came away surprised by what
Speaker 1: you and Dane or yeah, you and Dane said, because
Speaker 1: I mean, I said, I kind of had him written
Speaker 1: off as a three four guy. But they're over here
Speaker 1: telling me, yeah, maybe not so much. Well, the scouts
Speaker 1: Dali Ranch when the first mock came out and when
Speaker 1: mel Kiper had him as the guy, Buttner as the guy.
Speaker 1: A scout asked me, he's like, when we start drafting
Speaker 1: three four defensive ends, you know, and so, but I
Speaker 1: think what we need to think about this Cowboy defense
Speaker 1: now is it's gonna be about position flexibility. All the
Speaker 1: players I think on defense, Buckner could play three of them.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. They're gonna they're gonna find. They're
Speaker 1: gonna find that's exactly right, Bosa, Ramsey, Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: even each Miles j Jack. Yeah. So they're looking for
Speaker 1: eyes in this scheme that can play a lot of
Speaker 1: different positions. And I think that's why. I think that's
Speaker 1: why Buttner and I was I admitted too, I was
Speaker 1: a guy that wrote him off. I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: be a better three four defensive end. But the Cowboys
Speaker 1: met with him and the possibility of him playing four three.
Speaker 1: Teams are talking about him playing inside, so that would
Speaker 1: be at a three technique, but maybe even playing some
Speaker 1: defensive end as well. So a lot of names floating
Speaker 1: around as far as trying to help this defense. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting to see the next sixty days or
Speaker 1: so how this all puts together. So start fast and furious.
Speaker 1: Yeah we're gonna get the first one is like a
Speaker 1: week from Yeah, we'll get into all that too, So
Speaker 1: Ronald Blair in the second round. There you go. All right,
Speaker 1: Well that's all the time we have here in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: I want to thank my guys Kevin Turner, Jeff Kavanaugh,
Speaker 1: David Hellman, is always Kent Garrison, Executive Blucer for always
Speaker 1: putting us on the air this week in Indiapolis. Thank
Speaker 1: you guys out there for joining us all this time.
Speaker 1: Thank you for all the questions, and thank you for everything. Really,
Speaker 1: thank you for caring about our show so much we appreciate.
Speaker 1: We'll be back next Friday, back in Valley Ranch, and
Speaker 1: hopefully another time we could get these guys on again.
Speaker 1: So take care and we'll say a night here from Indianapolis.