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Speaker 1: I Am all in You.

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Speaker 2: I Am all in with Scott Patterson, an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Hey Everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am all in Podcast. One

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Speaker 1: on one interview with Steve Braun one eleven Productions. iHeart Radio,

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Speaker 1: iHeart Media, iHeart Podcasts. We have a fella who Let

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Speaker 1: me tell you a little something about him. He was

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Speaker 1: in one episode of Gilmore Girl, was a very memorable episode.

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Speaker 1: He portrayed Trip cavanall like Logan's website launch party, was

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Speaker 1: one who kept talking about his house in Tortola. And

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Speaker 1: let me tell you a little something about Steve. He's

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Speaker 1: an acting coach and communication consultant, drawing on many years

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Speaker 1: of acting training, Buddhist practice, and Mark Arts training to

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Speaker 1: help his clients discovering express there unique emotional truth. While

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Speaker 1: pursuing an acting career, Steve starred in movies such as

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Speaker 1: How Kamar Go to White Castle, Wrong Turn Two, and

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Speaker 1: The Trip, and he's a series regular on The Immortal

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Speaker 1: and Twins. He gets started on CSI, Miami, CSI, New

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Speaker 1: York Bones, Gilmore Girls, The Closer, and CIS and The Mentalist. Steve,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the podcast Pleasure Having you. We have a

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Speaker 1: lot to talk about let's start off by talking about

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Speaker 1: how you got this part. How'd you get the role?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like a lot of actors, I auditioned,

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Speaker 2: but this series, as you know, was different in that

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Speaker 2: the words needed to be spat out so unbelievably rapid fire.

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Speaker 2: But also this guy like the douchiest of the douchees

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Speaker 2: who shows up at this party, like you know, just

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Speaker 2: going on and on about tortola and whatever else, Like

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Speaker 2: it needed to be even faster than that. So I

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Speaker 2: prided myself as being someone who could spit out words

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Speaker 2: the rapid fire. But this was a challenge. But so

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Speaker 2: I remember in the edition was first up, and I

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Speaker 2: went in there and I just I don't know that

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Speaker 2: the planets aligned, and I got all these like just

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Speaker 2: these these thick chunks of dialogue out rapid fire, And honestly,

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Speaker 2: I think that was it, and you know, channeled some

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Speaker 2: of that annoying, snobby douchebag that that might live in me.

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Speaker 1: Well, uh, you played Trip Kavanaugh. We met him at

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Speaker 1: Logan's launch party. Was very memorable that now, when you

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Speaker 1: got your lines, did it did it intimidate you? Because

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Speaker 1: you were you were there, there were these long descriptions

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Speaker 1: about your house and Tortsola was so much dialogue, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I mean I mean it's it's both an opportunity and like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I gotta like actually spit this stuff out. So I

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Speaker 2: mean the words were so beautiful because they're just hideous, like,

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Speaker 2: I mean, who is this jerk? Right?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: And and the reaction to the other actors just only

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Speaker 2: made it even juicier. So I think mostly this number

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Speaker 2: of years ago, I saw it as just more fun

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Speaker 2: than you could possibly have doing anything else. Uh, and

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Speaker 2: to be paid for it, I mean, what a joy?

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Speaker 3: M hm.

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Speaker 1: And so the speed of the diagalogue dialogue is usually

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Speaker 1: what gets people. What was your what was your method

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Speaker 1: for conquering that? You just you just ran it to death.

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Speaker 1: You just get it over and over and you just.

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Speaker 2: Now this repetition like at that point with that level

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Speaker 2: He just spit. I think that's what worked for me.

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Speaker 1: So what do you remember about filming that day? What

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Speaker 2: A great group of actors. Everyone was really because, like

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Speaker 2: lot of scenes with two people, three people, but like

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Speaker 2: Also just sort of anecdotally, then Senator Obama was kind

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Speaker 2: But mostly like the the well oiled machine at that

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Speaker 2: could you could tell that everyone knew what the hell

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Speaker 1: Was it was it different from other shows that you did?

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Speaker 1: The environment yeah, oh for sure. Well I tell you what,

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Speaker 2: they should be happy, right, Like you're shot out at

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Speaker 2: two pm, you got your health insurance, like, smile, right,

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Speaker 2: But they're still miserable, and so they're trying to control

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Speaker 2: everyone else, right, So but here you at a situation

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Speaker 2: a lot of supportive energy. Everyone is really kind.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I've been on sets, particularly TV sets, where you're working

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Speaker 2: they don't even introduce themselves, right, it wasn't wasn't the

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Speaker 1: Like it was a good group really. So so you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, because it's you know, like season twenty seven

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Speaker 2: Cruisers and then whatever. They kind of show up with

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Speaker 1: Oh, now I know what you're talking about. I know

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Speaker 1: what you're talking about. Man, I know what you're talking about. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, so you know your character trips seem to

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Speaker 1: be oblivious that Logan and Roy weren't into your story. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: about your house in Toortle, How is it working with

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Speaker 1: Alexis and Matt and those scenes so.

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Speaker 2: Great because I mean, I think it shows in the

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Speaker 2: They didn't have to do that, but they did. And

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Speaker 1: So your last role was sixteen years ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I stepped away.

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Speaker 1: Why did you step away?

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Speaker 2: You know? The writer's strike hapen, the last writer's strike

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Speaker 2: for me. So I started working around that time on

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Speaker 2: and a half two year process. I started leaning more

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Speaker 2: into martial arts, internal arts that I've done for fifteen

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Speaker 1: What kind of martial arts, what style.

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Speaker 2: Shell and kung fu? I've done sort of kung fu proper,

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Speaker 1: And is there a studio that you dojo that you

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Speaker 2: Uh, you know, I go to a bunch. But you know,

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Speaker 2: for eleven discipleship of this the Shellon monk that I

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Speaker 1: And now where and what city are you in? Now?

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Speaker 2: Right now? I'm in Vancouver. I'm back in fourteen Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're in Vancouver. Oh that's so interesting.

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Speaker 2: I'm here got a place in August of twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: Have you been to the Shallon Temple in China?

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Speaker 2: No, planning a trip just before COVID.

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Speaker 1: Boh they do incredible things there. Yeah, all right. So

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Speaker 1: you're an acting coach as well. You got your own

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Speaker 1: acting schools called BGB Studio. When did you start that?

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Speaker 2: I started that in twenty twelve. I mean I've been

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Speaker 2: I've been coaching since two thousand and seven or eight.

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Speaker 2: Just to tie this back to Gilmore Girls, my studio

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Speaker 1: Who was so sure she's a she was? She's a

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Speaker 2: That's right. And she cast the reboot the Gilmore Girls.

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Speaker 1: Does she really Reesa Brayman Garcia cast the reboot.

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Speaker 2: And Jamie Rodowski, who cast me in My who cast

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Speaker 2: me as Trip in My episode of Gilmore Girls. She

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Speaker 2: Yeah so recent. I started in twenty twelve and it's

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Speaker 1: How many students do you have?

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Speaker 2: You know? It sort of fluctuates as we've eight week

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's fantastic, but it's.

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Speaker 2: Uh, it's it's beautiful. I it's to be deeply in

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Speaker 2: the work of human connection and it's it's so much

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Speaker 1: You teach kids too, Yeah, we just started teaching kids. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: That's the trick.

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Speaker 1: There's amazing to do that too. And I had a

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Speaker 2: You set something up right. But then sorry, like we

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Speaker 2: to go to soccer. Like the scheduling, it's like it's

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Speaker 2: it's a nightmare.

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Speaker 1: But my daughter is a star. Do you not see that? Right?

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Speaker 2: That's right? You know what you know? What she needs

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Speaker 2: is audition technive. That's what she needs.

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Speaker 1: I heard it. I heard it everywhere. I couldn't take

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Speaker 1: it anymore. We drove from Florida. This girl is a star.

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Speaker 1: Do you see it? Uh? Oh man sad? All right.

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Speaker 1: So if there any actors listening who are just starting

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think less about booking the job and really

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Speaker 1: Oh beautiful? Yeah, you have to how many daughters? Yet wonderful,

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Speaker 1: wonderful children are a miracle. Stephen Brown, Thank you for

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Speaker 1: your time. It was enlightening, It was invigorating. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. You know what, we have a clip. I

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Speaker 1: I want to see this clip again? Here we go.

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Speaker 2: I mean I remember stumbling a little bit and like

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Speaker 2: But but yeah, and you can see those actors like

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Speaker 1: Right, there's a lot there was a fun scene. Love

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Speaker 1: those scenes. Anyway, Thank you so much for your time

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Speaker 1: and sharing your thoughts with us, Steven Brown, Ladies and gentlemen,

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