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Speaker 1: Welcome into the j P. Shatterick Podcast. Today is Thursday, June.

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Speaker 1: It's a relatively quiet time around the Jags organization in

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Speaker 1: the heat of the summertime. It's vacation time for many

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Speaker 1: were right at a month away from the first on

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Speaker 1: field work of training camp that can come a little

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Speaker 1: bit later. People are enjoying their downtime right now, but

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Speaker 1: it's also charity time for some of the Jaguars players.

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Speaker 1: The day after Mini Camp, Leonard for Nat returned to

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Speaker 1: his hometown of New Orleans and held a football camp

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Speaker 1: for hundreds of kids around the area. Miles Jack and

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Speaker 1: Mark Keasley were a couple of his teammates there in

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Speaker 1: New Orleans on the ground at the Saints facility as coaches.

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Speaker 1: Really cool to see now. This past weekend, the Blake

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Speaker 1: Bortles Foundation held its annual golf tournament down to the

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Speaker 1: World Golf Village in St. Augustine. The pre party in

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Speaker 1: concert was Sunday Night with Maggie Rose, seth Ennis and

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Speaker 1: John Party is the main entertainment. The next day, the

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Speaker 1: golf tournament was at the King and Bear A great

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Speaker 1: cause certainly for Blake Portles. And now to our guest

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Speaker 1: today on this podcast. You've seen a few written segments

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Speaker 1: on Jaguars dot Com the last few days, in a

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Speaker 1: series called eleven on eleven, we catch up with a

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Speaker 1: number of former Jags players to get their thoughts on

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Speaker 1: the organization these days. They're old position groups now and

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Speaker 1: what they're up to Ashelan Sullivan, John Osan, Bryan Sexton,

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Speaker 1: and yours truly Well, we all visited with the guys

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Speaker 1: the last few weeks, and you'll see the visits on

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Speaker 1: Jaguars dot com. Over the next few weeks. You'll hear

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Speaker 1: select visits on this podcast, starting today with a guy

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Speaker 1: you know very well, our colleague on Jaguars Radio post

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Speaker 1: game and Pride of the Jaguars, running back Fred Taylor.

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Speaker 1: Let's Fred start with last season. I mean, it's a

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Speaker 1: ten win season. They get in the playoffs, they went

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Speaker 1: those guys twice, and then they go to the FC

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Speaker 1: Championship game there five minutes away from the super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: This is from what they did two, three or four

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Speaker 1: years ago to last year's night and day, and it

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Speaker 1: seems like the Jags are back. Do you feel that way?

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Speaker 1: And what's your reaction to what happened last season. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think, um, well, last season was was amazing. Unfortunately

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Speaker 1: it was cut short, a game short for the most part,

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Speaker 1: and and that that always due to Yeah, well I

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Speaker 1: can't get fined about the officiating. And um, you know,

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Speaker 1: everybody asked me during that FC Championship game, what are

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Speaker 1: you rooting for? Come on, would you really ask that question?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a Patriots alarm, but you know, Jacksonville

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Speaker 1: raised me, my hearts and Jacksonville all that stuff, and

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Speaker 1: the Patriots gone to They've gone to enough in the

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Speaker 1: last decade. So my heart was with Jacksonville, and I

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Speaker 1: truly believe that the ref can give him a fair shake.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like a cry baby baby,

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Speaker 1: but that one hurt me more than us losing to

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Speaker 1: the tight ends, because I know it's all about you know,

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Speaker 1: the guys walked away saying next year, next year. We

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Speaker 1: got next year. It's not always that way, you know.

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Speaker 1: But what they do have, you know, they have a

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Speaker 1: consistent front office who's done some good jobs, good good

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Speaker 1: things for drafting and uh, you know, building in free agency,

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Speaker 1: you know, establishing discipline and establishing the identity and that's

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Speaker 1: what they have been lacking, uh the years prior to

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Speaker 1: ball bounced their way, like you know, like any anything

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Speaker 1: goes any any season. Ball bouncer away, ball doesn't bounce away.

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Speaker 1: You get breaks, you don't get breaks. Yeah, that SC

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Speaker 1: That kicks me every single time I think about it.

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Speaker 1: But that's that's going right. So um this year is

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Speaker 1: gonna be a bit of the same. They defenses donna

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Speaker 1: Leonard uh Fred. You know, rookie season over a thousand

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Speaker 1: helps create a discipline. Took the defensive ends that they're

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Speaker 1: You have to commit, You really have to commit. We

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Speaker 1: You know. The key for Leonard, everybody's gonna work. You know,

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Speaker 1: And I think it's a great compliment to Leonard style.

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