WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Handling Injuries 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.720 The following. Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:18.480 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Let's go. Are you 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:22.600 ready for a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:26.960 Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:31.280 It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:39.960 with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, A bar Garcia, and Derek Eagleton. Day. 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:44.599 It is Tuesday, September fifteenth, twenty twenty, Season sixteen, episode 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:47.519 number twenty three. Welcome to the latest edition of The 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:50.159 Break Life from this WBC Mortgage Studios at the Starman, 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:52.360 Nick and Nick and I join are here. We got 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:55.400 Dave and Amber at their homes. We're talking Cowboys football, 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:58.000 if you guys, for about forty five minutes. And we've 0:00:58.000 --> 0:00:59.920 got so much to get into. As I started putting 0:00:59.920 --> 0:01:02.680 this together, so many different topics we can hit, but 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:05.480 I think right now there's none bigger than the injury 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:08.080 situation for this team. Cowboys came out of that last 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:10.640 game a little beat up and quite frankly beat up 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:12.880 at some positions where I think they probably don't have 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:14.759 a lot of room to be beat up. So we're 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:16.360 gonna talk about that. I'm gonna run through some of 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:19.080 these different positions and what your take is on how 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:21.440 they should handle some of these situations. We'll do a 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:23.760 segment where we'll do our I know, I think I 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.479 have no idea. Hopefully you guys got some good stuff there. 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.319 We'll talk a little bit about Dak Prescott. Some news 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:32.480 came out yesterday was pretty interesting about the contract negotiations 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:34.640 and how they played out this offseason. I want to 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:37.280 get your opinions on that, and then we'll find get 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:38.559 to the end of the show, we'll talk a little 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:40.920 bit about the NFC East and the team's there and 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:43.080 what they did over week one and what we expect 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:47.560 going into week two. How's everybody doing today? Doing great? Great, Derek, 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:52.680 Thanks Dave, appreciate that. Awesome. We got good energy. And 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:58.080 by the way, Dave, your stars going to the final finals, 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:02.280 they're at the finals. They're not They're not my stars. 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:06.200 You're wearing for the Stars. Well, I'm trying to I'm 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:08.519 trying to support local. I mean, I'm happy they want 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:11.160 I just I don't want people to think that I like, 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:13.519 I don't want to sound like a bandwagon guy for 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:20.080 the Stump Goat Stars. Yeah, I'm just stand like now, 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:22.640 I mean, they're in the Stanley Cup Finals. Now I 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:27.360 will say this, I'm just saying, no great day, just 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:31.160 you know, shout out Danny Serek and Kelsey Charles. Like, 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:33.000 there's a lot of people that have cared about the 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:35.239 Stars a lot longer than I have. But I'm very 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:40.240 excited that they're in Mickey, Yeah, Mickey's the season ticket holder. 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:43.639 They're upset. Actually, they're like happy and upset at the 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:46.480 same time because they've waited so long. You get season 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:48.160 tickets so you can go to games and you can 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:50.240 go to for a moment like this, and they're playing 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:53.079 where Edmonton orson. I mean, I don't know where, but 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:56.280 I mean, congratulations and Stars. That's a big feat. Now, 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:59.040 I mean, I'll even watch this because you know the 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:00.920 local team. Like you said, the local team. I'm not 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:03.840 a hockey fan, but when your local team is in it, 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:05.400 then you kind of watch. The same reason when I 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:07.560 watched the Rangers when they were in the World Series. 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:09.520 It's local team. You root for him, all right, So 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:11.919 good luck to the Stars. Let's jump into some cowboys 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:13.720 to talk. I first want to start with some of 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:17.640 these injuries. We'll start with Layton vander esh yesterday it 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.079 was I guess it's it's been confirmed that he has 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:22.480 a broken collar bone, looking like he could be out 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:26.280 up to eight weeks. My first question for you guys 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:28.760 is what would you do at the linebacker position? Nick, 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:31.000 let's start with you, based on what they currently have, 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:33.359 based upon him being out, based upon shan Lee being 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:35.760 out for another presumably at least two weeks, what do 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:37.880 you do at linebacker position? Well, I think Layton is 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:40.640 having surgery today. I might have already had it. It's 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:43.920 supposed to be today. What do you do? You played 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:46.440 Joe Thomas. You know, Joe Thomas is a good is 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:48.840 a good player. I think he's he might be one 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:52.600 of those guys that's better as the backup linebacker who 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:54.480 will play a lot of your special teams. So if 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:57.320 he has to play a lot, you know, I wouldn't 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:02.640 be surprised if Luke Gifford is is actually inserted into this. 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:06.040 He may even start. You know, he's been banged up 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:09.120 as well his whole career, But I think Louke Gifford's 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:11.480 a guy that might be somebody that wears the helmet 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:14.120 that that has that can make the calls. So it 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:17.240 wouldn't surprise me if Gifford plays a lot, perhaps even 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:21.920 starts Amber. What do you do? I would like to 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:27.279 see Bernard over Louk Gifford, just because he was actually 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:29.680 able to get more work in during training camp. And 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.880 like Nick mentioned, Gifford has been dealing with his own injuries, 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:37.839 and I know he's healthy now, but still those being 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:41.240 out there and being able to practice obviously make a difference. 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:46.120 And Bernard, I know he might not be at the 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:48.560 level that you want him to beat yet, but I 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:51.920 think that based on everything that he showed during training camp, 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:54.479 he has enough to at least be able to get 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:56.560 in there and get some reps and get some practice 0:04:56.600 --> 0:05:01.320 in on real game time. You know, we were kind 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:04.440 of all, I'll let Dave talk about linebacker for a second, 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:06.080 but about Bernard. You know, we were all kind of 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:09.440 wondering why he was cut. And I had someone tell 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:12.000 me the other day that the two things that are 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:14.600 that's bad about Bernard is number one, he can't run, 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:16.960 he's not very fast, and number two, he knows he's 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:20.400 not very fast, so which I don't really know what 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:22.800 that means. It's just that those two things he's not 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:27.560 he's not a fluid player sideline to sideline type. He 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:30.400 makes some plays, he gets around the ball, which you know, 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:33.840 I mean that there's worse things in the world than that. 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:37.039 But I think that his athleticism is what scares the 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:38.800 Cowboys a little bit. But I do think she's right. 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:41.120 I think that he'll get called up. I don't, but 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:43.840 maybe for special team's purposes. Dave, what do you do 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:48.240 at linebacker? Yeah, I would guess Bernard gets called up 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:52.240 to help account for Joe Thomas's special team snaps would 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:54.960 be my guests. But overall, I think this is a 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:57.920 situation where I mean, look, nobody's excited about it, but 0:05:57.960 --> 0:05:59.719 I think you just kind of have to hold the line. 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:03.520 You know, Joe Thomas can step in and get starting snaps. 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:06.520 Luke Gifford can help, Bernard can handle some special teams. 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:09.040 And you know, I'd like to believe Sean Lee will 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:10.880 be available in a couple of weeks. You can roll 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:12.240 your eyes at me if you want to, but he 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:15.080 started thirteen games last year and played really well. So 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:18.040 I look, we all know injuries have been a problem 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:21.120 for him his entire career, but he does have a 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:25.120 track record of stepping in and playing well when he's healthy, 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:27.440 and you just gotta do what you gotta do in 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.880 an unideal situation right now, you know, Layton hopefully, hopefully 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:33.760 he'll be back in six to eight weeks. Like I said, 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.360 you get reinforcements with Sean in a few weeks hopefully, 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:39.080 and you know, I think that's probably your best bet. 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:42.159 People people want to throw out like a Clay Matthews. 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:44.919 That's not the type of linebacker the Cowboys need. You 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.760 know that he's he made his money in his Pro 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:50.400 Bowls as a pass rusher. So I don't know how 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:53.920 many pure off ball linebackers that would make this team 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:56.120 better or available that are you know, better than the 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:58.440 guys that have been here throughout camp. And you know 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:02.800 we've heard anything else on like Sean Lee. I know, 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.520 I'm still very confused on his injury. And I know 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.200 he's on IR and that's at least two more weeks 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:11.720 before he gets to come back. But it's just very 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:15.160 confusing to me after an off season of not necessarily 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:18.680 getting some football working and then he comes back not 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:23.040 being able to do anything at all. Now, they haven't 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.040 really said a lot about his injury, and they didn't 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:26.960 have to once they put him on IR. He's not 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:30.440 even on the list for the injury reports. So Dave, 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:32.880 unless you know kind of what he's dealing with, I mean, 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:38.920 I don't, I don't. I mean with John, you know, 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.320 I don't want to be reckless, but with Sean, soft 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:45.320 tissue is usually a good guess. That's been the problem 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:47.520 with him for most of his career. I know, you know, 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:49.880 he's done a lot of conditioning with Britt Brown, the 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:53.320 director of rehab, you know, all throughout training camp. But yeah, 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.800 they've been super quiet with whatever it is, which is 0:07:57.480 --> 0:07:59.800 sort of weird to me because we're used to talking 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.720 out Sean Lee's injuries, so I don't know that anybody 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:06.480 would that it should be extra alarming. But at this 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:08.680 point I'm taking them at their word that he can 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:11.840 be available in the next three or so weeks. If 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.440 that's not true, then it changes the game a little bit, 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:17.080 but for the time being, you know, with a game 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:20.040 in five days. Like I said, I think you are 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:22.600 what you are for right now. I don't think any 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:24.320 of us and I actually I just say all of 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:27.760 us agreed. I think on Sunday, Jalen Smith didn't have 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:31.280 his best game against the Rams. That all being said, 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.160 I want you guys to give and we're gonna go around. 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:34.839 I want you guys to give me a number, ten 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:38.120 being the most and one being the least. How concerned 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:40.400 are you with the linebacker position. Let's start with you 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:50.400 Amber eight. I'm pretty concerned, honestly. And the thumb thumb, Yes, 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:54.120 you didn't count the thumb. There you go, my little 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:58.560 thumbs out. No. I was gonna say. Another thing that's 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:02.320 very confusing to me is I know I watched Jalen 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.480 Smith all throughout camp, and I know that these practices 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.520 are very different from real game. But at the same time, 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.560 I just don't understand how you go from having such 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:14.840 a great camp into playing the way that he did 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:19.280 on Sunday. It's it's just it doesn't make any sense 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:21.280 to me. I was expecting him to be able to 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:23.920 do a lot more, and unfortunately he did so I am. 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:26.560 I am pretty concerned how the linebacker position right now? 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:28.240 You know what I can offer you a bit of 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:33.959 an explanation. There no good and that's I think maybe 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.000 maybe we didn't do a good enough job. I think 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.160 we did. But like a thing that people have to 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:41.600 remember about this training camp is like we were watching 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:45.480 them install their offense and defense, Like that's what that was. 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:48.480 They were going through what they want to put in. 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.200 Like they're not playing a game against each other, you know, 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:55.080 they're not necessarily trying to exploit each other. They're trying 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:58.000 to get familiar with what they're going to be running 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:01.400 on Sundays throughout the season on offense and defense. And 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:05.520 so it's a lot different going against an install against 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:08.840 your own team than the Rams sitting down and saying 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:11.440 this is what Jaylen Smith doesn't do well and this 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:13.280 is how we're going to target it. I think those 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:16.600 are two completely different things. And to fold that into 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:18.760 my answer, yeah, I'm right there with you, Agie. Like 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:23.120 having watched them play on Sunday and knowing that Layton's 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:26.680 not available, I'm at like an eight because Jay, I mean, 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:31.280 Jayleen Smith just looked like a serious problem and then 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:34.080 the guy next to him, Layton is out. It seems 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.360 bad for me. The other thing I'll point out real quick, 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.000 Nick before I get yours, is I think, with Jalen 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:41.080 Smith and what you saw during training camp, I don't 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.640 think the Cowboys offense during training camp looked a lot 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.040 like what you saw the Cowboys having a problem with 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:48.280 the other night against the Rams. It wasn't a lot 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:50.520 of misdirection, it wasn't a lot of screens, It wasn't 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:53.199 the things that typically have hurt this defense over the 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:55.600 last couple of years, particularly when they've played the Rams, 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.040 and so I think maybe we just didn't see Jalen 0:10:58.120 --> 0:10:59.719 in that kind of situation the other night. What it 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.360 looked like was again Jayalen was having a hard time 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.319 diagnosing what was going on. Then he'd get out of position, 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:07.760 and then he couldn't get off blocks. And so when 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:10.640 you got those three things happening, it's not like it 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:12.800 is not gonna be a good day for you against 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:14.959 the team that's doing that kind of stuff on offense. 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:18.080 Question will be ken, was that just a bad game 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:20.120 because he wasn't prepared for it, in which case you 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.360 kind of wonder why it wasn't he prepared for it, 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:24.640 or is this just a sign that that things are 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:26.600 going to be as they have been for him, which 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:28.760 means that Jalen is going to be an okay player. 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:31.480 But Jalen's gonna always have some issues, which that's when 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.320 we saw last year he was an okay player, but 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.520 he certainly had issues at times. Nick Well, I mean, yeah, 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:39.920 I think we're all concerned about it. But the more 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.560 concerning part is is your linebackers might be your best 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:46.360 positions on defense still. I mean really well, I mean 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:48.880 from what if if we're judging one game. I mean, 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:51.520 because if we're judging one game off Jalen Smith, I'd 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:53.680 hate to judge Tank Lawrence right now. I'd hate to 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:56.840 judge some of those defensive linemen. The secondary didn't I 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:59.319 mean that they were okay, I mean that nothing great. 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:03.080 So the problem is is that we thought that the 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:05.280 linebackers would be freed up to go run, to make 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.920 plays and do all that, and you know that that 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:10.440 really didn't happen. I mean, the Rams give them some 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:12.880 credit to that. They did a really good job that 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.920 they did this two years ago of disguising things and 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:19.400 they make it really tough for your linebackers. Somebody said 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:22.520 this to me on Twitter, and I you know, nobody 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:26.560 cares about excuses, but let's not be surprised that one 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.679 team that's got four years with the coaching staff, that's 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:32.320 actually been to a Super Bowl actually come out and 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:35.880 look way more prepared than somebody than another coaching staff 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:38.480 that's never played a game in a preseason, done anything 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:42.079 before like that shouldn't be surprising. No one cares that. 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.080 No one's saying that excuses. I'm just saying one team 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:47.560 has done this a lot, and at the very high level. 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:50.760 One team hasn't, and it showed. But but I think, well, 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:54.240 we've been kind of at least sold in my opinion, 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:57.800 maybe not said explicitly, but well, I think we've been sold. 0:12:57.920 --> 0:12:59.920 Is the fact that when you look at it, there's 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.800 gonna be I mean, this team was basically coming in 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:05.640 and it was an advantage that nobody had seen what 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:07.719 they were gonna do. You know that certainly didn't look 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.000 like the case there. You knew exactly like we all 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:12.960 talk about, we saw exactly with the RAMS what we 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:15.880 had seen before from the RAMS, And so you had 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.160 one team that could look at film and actually see 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:20.920 what they do, and they looked like they were completely 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:23.760 out of sorts and didn't exactly know how to react 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:25.800 to that. He had another team that nobody had any 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:27.760 idea what they were gonna do, and it seemed like 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.160 for the most part, they were able to neutralize a 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.160 lot of stuff. Yeah, and the main reason for that 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:34.800 is because their offensive coordinator called the same plays they 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.920 was calling last year. I mean, like we saw bubble screams, 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:41.439 pop passes, we saw all of those little reverse misdirection 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:44.760 things in training camp. Didn't see anything like that during 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:47.120 the game. I mean, I really I didn't. I didn't 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:49.640 see Tony Pollar do dynamic things. I didn't see CD 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:52.160 Lamb going in motion with fake reverses and things like that. 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:54.920 I didn't see all that. Yeah, all right, let's go 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:57.840 ahead and move on. Let's talk about Blake Jarwin. Blake 0:13:57.920 --> 0:13:59.840 Jarwin now is expected to miss the season with a 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.640 horn acl. My question for you guys is what do 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:06.200 you do with that position. You do have a guy 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:08.840 like a Delaney Walker who has been injured a lot 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:12.080 during his career, coming off an injury, an older guy, 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:15.640 but when healthy, pretty productive and at least according to reports, 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:17.880 he is sitting out there healthy. Do you look at 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:19.920 maybe going out and getting a guy like a Delaney 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.080 Walker to bring in to your team. Let's start first 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:27.560 with you, Dave Man. I leaned toward thinking they have 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:31.240 to and I'm not sitting here trying to say Delaney 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.080 Walker is the same guy that he was when he 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:35.320 was on a Super Bowl team. I'm looking at his stats. 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:37.440 I mean, he had an eight hundred yard season in 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:39.400 twenty seventeen. That was the last time he made the 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:44.440 Pro Bowl. Injuries have completely decimated his production since then. 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:46.920 He had two hundred yards in seven games last year. 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:50.480 If he's healthy, I would kick the tires because we 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:53.280 already knew the tight end position was one of the 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.400 thinnest on this entire team. And I felt good about 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:58.680 it because that's how much I like Blake Jarwin. But 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:01.760 to loose who's him in the first half of the 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:06.200 first game, I mean, think about what you have behind him? 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:10.880 You have what third year pro Dalton Schultz, who, once again, 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.840 you know, he did not live up to the opportunity 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:17.000 that he was given by Jarwin's injury. Sean McCune has 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:20.560 never played an NFL game. Blake Bell has been you know, 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:24.640 he's been a goal line package blocking role player his 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.240 entire career. He got eight snaps the other night. And 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:29.720 then there's Cole Hikutini, who's been in the league since 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:32.880 twenty seventeen, and if he's ever spent time on an 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:35.400 active roster, it's not a long time, like, you're just 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:38.200 not You're not looking at a lot in the way 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:41.760 of proven experience, and it's awfully scary. It sounds like 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.080 they're not going to do anything about it this week, which, 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:46.880 to be fair, you know, a guy that you signed 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:48.760 today probably wouldn't even be able to get in the 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:51.680 building until like Friday. So it is what it is. 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:53.680 But I don't know how you go through a whole 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.520 season with that as your tight end. Corps Hamber, what 0:15:56.600 --> 0:16:01.280 do you do a tight end? I agree with everything 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:06.880 that Dave said. I don't see the Cowboys getting Walker 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:11.800 right now. The Cowboys are just not And again, we 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:13.600 have a whole new coaching staff, so I don't know 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:17.680 what McCarthy's input is and all this, but I just 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:19.960 don't see the Cowboys making that move right now. But 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:22.800 I do think that they absolutely need to address it. 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:26.520 There is not much talent and I'm not trying to 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:29.840 hate on all the tight ends that the Cowboys currently have, 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:34.760 but honestly, no one has done anything that it's exciting 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.560 or that I would say, and Collie continued, would be 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:40.240 the only one from that list that I felt that 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.840 I saw making more plays during training camp. But then again, 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:47.600 that was like, okay, a guy to have as in 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:51.040 the death chart and as a practice squad player to 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:53.920 help out, not even to talk about like, oh, let's 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:58.320 have him start in a game. So I just don't know. 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:00.560 They're just gonna have to change their game plan on 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.040 this and try to and I know we're about to 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:06.879 get into that, Derek, but they just need to change 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:10.560 it up and figure out a different type of personnel here. 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:13.160 Speaking of that, Nick, why don't you tell me would 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:16.760 you consider the possibility of am I boring you? No? No? Okay, 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:20.120 now I'm trying not to cough it. I didn't hear it. Yeah, okay, 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:23.600 off at all? All right, boy, I'm getting nervous, all right, 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:27.679 um glass here, So no, would you consider the possibility, 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:30.240 if you're the Cowboys of maybe just using the tight 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:32.919 end a lot less here and maybe going with more 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:35.520 ten personnel or twenty personnel. You can get Poller on 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:38.159 the field with Zeke with three wide receivers, or you 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:41.119 can get you know, one running back and four wide 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.359 receivers if you want to go that route. Would you 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:45.520 look at that as a as a possibility and just 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:47.480 kind of take tight end a little take a step 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:49.359 back with the tight end and just not use them 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:53.000 as much in this offense. Um, yeah, that's what you're 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:55.040 gonna have to do if if they don't, especially like 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:56.760 for this week, like Dave said, you know, you really 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:59.000 can't bring a guy in right now and expect them 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:01.320 to do anything unless it was Hiccotini, but he was 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:04.439 on your practice quite anyways, so you know, there's probably 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:06.480 not a lot of confidence there. But I think you've 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:08.840 got to get creative. We've already seen a little bit 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:14.320 with the Antoine Woods putting him at fullback. Yeah, fat, 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:18.080 that was a great idea two years ago, but I 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:21.480 think that, sorry, you can do that kind of stuff. Though, 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:23.840 there's defensive ends that do that. I mean, I think 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:26.720 the Chicago Bears a couple like last year they had 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.320 four different defensive players on a goal line thing. So 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:32.120 you're gonna have to find some players that can kind 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:35.320 of help you, whether it maybe it's an extra offensive tackle, 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:37.800 but guess what, that's a position that they're lacking of 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.040 depth as well. But you just got to get creative 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:43.960 with different packages on third downs and things like that. 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:46.200 If it's not third and short and goal line, then yeah, 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:48.919 I agree with you go with a different personnel groups 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:51.320 and all that, but this is just a really weird, 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:55.280 unique position where somebody could come in and leap frog 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:57.879 all of the tight ends and actually start. Like when 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:01.400 she was talking about Hiccotini, actually could see him starting. 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:05.720 It's it's because that probably won't happen, but I could 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:08.240 just see because that's the role of of of the 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:10.359 other two guys keep their same role, and you need 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:12.199 more of that pass catcher. All right, let's go and 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:13.600 take our first break. When we come back, I do 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:15.760 want to talk a little bit about the offensive tackle position. 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:17.960 Then we'll get into some other topics when we come back. 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:22.080 This is Dallas Cowboys dot com Radio. We're back in 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:25.480 a tasty treat that's sweeping airwaves and taste buds. It's 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:28.000 new Doctor Pepper and Cream Soda. Let's take a listen, 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:33.000 Doctor cream Soda. 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