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Speaker 2: It's on the air, guys looking into mic a week.

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Speaker 1: That's the truth.

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Speaker 2: It's neither drinking a drug and just snool. Just turn

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Speaker 1: It's a great dad, be I know I sun's still

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Speaker 1: shining out a close night eyes. It's hot times in

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Speaker 1: the neighborhood. But whyking every day thing just as good.

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Speaker 3: All Friday evening in the eight o'clock hour. One of

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Speaker 3: my favorite people of all time, leftist, the great George Foreman.

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Speaker 3: What an American story, what a human story, what a

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Speaker 3: what a patriarch of a family. What a symbol of

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Speaker 3: what it means to keep a marriage together, to raise

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Speaker 3: want to be part of your life, and you want

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Speaker 3: great grandfather stage. It was only seventy six. On his

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Speaker 3: seventieth birthday, six years ago, back in twenty nineteen. We

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Speaker 3: talked to him on that day about his thoughts of

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Speaker 3: turning seventy, and this is what he said.

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Speaker 4: You know what I thought about. I've heard all so

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Speaker 4: many people say I really had it hard, and I

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Speaker 4: came up the hard way, and I thought, for the

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Speaker 4: first time, I realized, no one has had it hard

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Speaker 4: as they've come from America. All I had to do

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Speaker 4: Olympic gold medalist, heavyweight champ for the world minister, real salesman.

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Speaker 4: It was always there for me. It's like a trail

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Speaker 4: I going to do next?

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Speaker 3: I wonder, Yeah, because you don't follow the normal timeline.

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Speaker 3: I tweeted this morning, I wrote, happy seventy to the

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Speaker 3: champ George Foreman, pastor, patriarch, patriot, philanthropist, businessman, actor, author,

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Speaker 1: Did I miss anything else? He did?

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Speaker 3: And my point was, here's the guy that that had

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Speaker 4: I mean, I cannot believe. It's been a wonderful life.

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Speaker 4: And I sat back and I considered the lives of

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Speaker 4: do that. Aretha Franklin, by the way, just banging on

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Speaker 4: watching a funeral. It's amazing place to be born in.

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Speaker 4: And I'm happy. I'm in here. I'm happy.

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Speaker 3: Did you ever think a little boy from Marshall, Texas

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Speaker 4: Couldn't believe it. My mom showed me in a place

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Speaker 3: I had the privilege of interviewing you a while back

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Speaker 4: Just too many things have gone well for me, and

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Speaker 4: From that point on, I've had one person after another

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Speaker 3: I think of the visual of nineteen sixty eight at

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Speaker 3: Coming, and we should live in a way that we

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Speaker 1: That we have.

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Speaker 3: I love that he proclaimed proudly his faith at all times.

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Speaker 3: He preached it for no real benefit personally is certainly

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Speaker 3: and he did do it, and he proclaimed his patriotism,

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Speaker 3: how people survive the murder of a loved one, but

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Speaker 3: something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. Of course,

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Speaker 1: And after that, much more to get to stay tuned.

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Speaker 3: Southern Pride, Southern Pride to Michael Berry Show. Tomorrow will

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Speaker 3: be the one hundred fifth anniversary of the first airing

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Speaker 3: years later, almost as many years. Joyce, the Sage of Sunnyside. Joyce,

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Speaker 3: I believe you have a birthday today?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I do.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. I started getting emails this morning. Don't forget.

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Speaker 3: One fella had sent you a card. One fella was

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Speaker 3: calling you later today. I mean, this has become like

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Speaker 5: I was just surprised. I've been getting mail and people

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Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, I said, I said, I need to

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Speaker 5: I tell me, you remember my birthday. And I'm just

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Speaker 5: as Michael. I'm just as excited as getting a card

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Speaker 3: How old are you today, Joyce? Two ninety two? My goodness,

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Speaker 3: alive ninety Yes, that's just amazing. And in the shape

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Speaker 5: Well? I get this every time I go to the doctor,

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Speaker 5: you do? And sometimes they will parade me up and

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Speaker 4: This is the way I'm treated.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm treated loyally like this. But then because

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Speaker 5: the government have taken away by Medico. They have taken

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Speaker 5: almost two hundred dollars from a Social Security check. And

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Speaker 5: somebody said, but you are still happy. I say, I

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Speaker 5: And that's why I'm not jealous of anyone else. You know,

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Speaker 5: my wish and life, Michael has been before I die.

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Speaker 5: the world didn't give me this joy, and the world

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Speaker 5: And I thank God for that, cause you know, the

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Speaker 5: And you can much illegal aliens into my country and

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Speaker 1: You know, Joyce.

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Speaker 3: It's talking about George Foreman passing Friday Night and the

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Speaker 1: Whatever that may be.

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Speaker 3: But joy is a choice we make, and I think

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Speaker 5: It's a joey people don't understand why I'm not. I'm

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Speaker 5: appreciation on my ninth birthday. I used that to do

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Speaker 5: things in my house. I'm not living in a jurious life.

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Speaker 5: I'm not out on the boat every day sailing and all.

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Speaker 5: But I this dud don't take away my joy. That's

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Speaker 5: where I am today. So I am. My son flew

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Speaker 5: in from North Dakota to wish Mama happy birthday. It

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Speaker 5: took me to lunch yesterday. Oh my daughter took me

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Speaker 5: last night to see Hamilton fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Where did ye that?

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Speaker 4: Josh Hamilton?

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Speaker 1: Beg pardon, where did y'all see that?

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Speaker 5: At Hobby Center?

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Speaker 1: And it was good?

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Speaker 5: Oh it was great.

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Speaker 3: Astronaut Clayton Anderson is our guest. With space being in

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Speaker 1: What happened.

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Speaker 3: All Right, Clayton, if you wouldn't say they were stranded there,

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Speaker 6: But once they get up there, there's plenty of food,

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Speaker 6: Physically? I don't think much. For me, my five months

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Speaker 6: But what it did for me was it strengthened my

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Speaker 3: Well, so much of life is, if viewed properly, an

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Speaker 1: This is the Michael Barry shows.

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Speaker 7: Less as Shots, Clayton.

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Speaker 3: C not every day you get your own customized intro

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Speaker 3: by chance McLean.

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Speaker 6: Hey, that was pretty awesome take out.

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Speaker 1: You know we would license it.

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Speaker 3: We will license that to you for your own introductions,

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Speaker 3: for your speeches and things, if you would like, okay.

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Speaker 3: Clayton Conrad Anderson is a retired NASA astronaut Launchstone STS

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Speaker 3: one seventeen. He replaced Nunita Williams on June tenth, two

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Speaker 3: Currently an author, motivational speaker, and professor of practice at

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Speaker 3: and Aerospace Museum. I just was reading from your wiki

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Speaker 6: I wrote most of it.

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Speaker 3: He gave an interview where he said that President Trump

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Speaker 3: tell the Muslim world that they have a contribution historically

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Speaker 3: to math and science and you know that they matter.

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Speaker 3: It was part of the Muslim outreach, and I thought

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Speaker 3: to myself, you know, a once great space program has

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Speaker 1: What is the state of NASA today?

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Speaker 6: That's a good question. I think there's some unknowns going

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Speaker 6: system is probably concerning given costs and schedule. I mean,

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Speaker 6: it's always about budget and money and schedule. And when

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Speaker 6: you have people like SpaceX and Blue Origin and Virgin

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Speaker 6: Galactic out there pushing the commercial envelope, I think all

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Speaker 6: that's good. I think it forces us to look at

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Speaker 3: Do you think that space travel as we once knew it,

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Speaker 3: at least as as conducted by NASA is over?

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Speaker 1: And how do you see SpaceX fitting into all of that.

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Speaker 6: I don't think it's over. I think that, you know,

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Speaker 6: having a presence in the federal government is important. You know,

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Speaker 6: if you look back at Challenger in Colombia, the reason

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Speaker 6: a combination. I think it's important that we have these

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Speaker 6: showing us what's possible and bringing the prices down. Those

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Speaker 6: are all good things. Think about Orville and Wilbur at

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Speaker 6: Kitty Hawk in nineteen oh three when they food their

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Speaker 6: right flyer, and now think about what you can do

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Speaker 6: today on a commercial aircraft. Right none of that was

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Speaker 6: believed to be possible back then, but now it is.

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Speaker 6: It's commercially driven, and it's very safe and used by many,

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Speaker 6: many people. So I think that's a good analogy. We're

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Speaker 6: on the cusp of that, we're on the beginning of

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Speaker 6: that in spaceflight, where Orgle and Wilbur might have been

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Speaker 6: back in nineteen oh three.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of Elon's ability to do the

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Speaker 3: things he's done as a private company on a lean budget.

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Speaker 3: And yet, I mean, you know, they're sure there are

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Speaker 3: failures along the way. NASA had failures. It's a dangerous business.

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Speaker 3: But I'm not a scientist. I don't have obviously the

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Speaker 3: experience you do, But I am in awe of what

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Speaker 3: they have accomplished. But I'm curious your thoughts.

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Speaker 6: I am too, you know, as an astronaut who flew

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Speaker 6: on the Space Shuttle and lived on the Space Station,

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Speaker 6: those were pretty incredible accomplishments. But if you look at

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Speaker 6: what he's done and the speed, the rate at which

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Speaker 6: he's done it, it's kind of unprecedented. Now, what folks

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Speaker 6: have to understand is statistically, down the road, there will

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Speaker 6: be a problem. There will be a death. You know,

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Speaker 6: someone will die. Just it's statistics, and we hope that

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Speaker 6: never happens, right, but I think it's inevitable. And then

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Speaker 6: how the recovery is from all of that is what's

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Speaker 6: important to me. You know, does he take his millions

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Speaker 6: and go home or does he stay and fight the

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Speaker 6: battle and make it better and go again and all

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Speaker 6: those things. So it's like the explorers in America back

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Speaker 6: the country, right, they were uncovering problems every day and

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Speaker 6: they were fighting against things they didn't know existed. So

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Speaker 6: we're in that way in space travel. And I always

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Speaker 6: talk about the three ds of spaceflight, danger, difficulty, and dollars,

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Speaker 6: and those are very prevalent. We know it's dangerous, we

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Speaker 6: oftentimes figure out and fix the difficult, but it's all

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Speaker 6: about the dollars.

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Speaker 3: Clayton Anderson, astronaut Clayton Anderson's our guest. I have two

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Speaker 3: minutes left, so I'm going to be fast because I've

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Speaker 3: been wanting to ask you about this for a while.

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Speaker 3: So you served as an aquanaut during the NEMO five

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Speaker 3: mission on the Aquarius Underwater Laboratory, living and working underwater

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Speaker 3: for fourteen days. Right, what is the future of our

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Speaker 3: ability Jacques Cousteau style to go under the water and

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Speaker 3: spend any significant time there.

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Speaker 6: I probably have less expertise. If I have any expertise.

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Speaker 1: In anything, just make something up.

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Speaker 6: Okay, it's fascinating. I think it's an extreme environment.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 6: Space and underwater are extreme environments outer space and inner space,

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Speaker 6: and those are perfect places to figure out what humans

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Speaker 6: can do, what we can stand, how much stress we

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Speaker 6: can take, how we work together with each other. They're

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Speaker 6: just great analogies for doing incredible things. So I think,

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Speaker 6: you know, we should live underwater too. In space and underwater,

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Speaker 6: I think they're both great venues.

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Speaker 3: You know, the mind of a child and what inspires

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Speaker 3: a child, what they read, what they see, what they hear,

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Speaker 3: these sorts of things. I think you have to have

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Speaker 3: those things to light that fire in a young mind

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Speaker 3: and understand why math, science, physics and literature and all

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Speaker 3: these things are so incredibly important. Clayton Anderson, it's always

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Speaker 3: a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: We will have you back again. I appreciate you, sir.

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Speaker 6: I appreciate you, Michael, and my best to the King

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Speaker 6: of Ding as well.

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Speaker 1: You got it, astronaut Clayton Anderson. Our guest there.

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Speaker 3: Faeta writes, I just wanted to share with you that

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Speaker 3: my amazing Aunt Dale turned one hundred yesterday. We had

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Speaker 3: a lovely party. She's an amazing woman and has more

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Speaker 3: years ahead. Faetta Fanish and she included a picture of

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Speaker 3: the adorable adorable Aunt Dale and Aunt Dale has a

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Speaker 3: sash on like she's just won the Miss America contest.

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Speaker 3: Debbie writes, I'm listening to the sweetest.

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Speaker 1: Lady on your show.

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Speaker 3: She's talking about Joyce to say to Sunnyside, and I'm

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Speaker 3: thinking about my own mom. FYI Sally Atkins, the fisher

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Speaker 3: woman from Cold Spring. She was ninety eight in October

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Speaker 3: and continues to be so happy. She finds the good

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Speaker 3: in each day, still living alone, going to get those

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Speaker 3: nails done, and living.

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Speaker 1: Life to the fullest.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes she'll say, I just can't believe I'm still here.

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Speaker 1: Lol. I don't need a response from this email.

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Speaker 3: It was just on my mind after listening to this

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Speaker 3: cute lady this morning. Such inspiration from these older people

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Speaker 3: who make a choice for happiness each day.

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Speaker 1: That be Walmart