1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: to the show Ridiculous Historians. As always, thank you so 3 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: much for tuning in. It's a little bit overcast here 4 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: in Atlanta, Georgia, but we are feeling shiny as a 5 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,599 Speaker 1: as a set of new pennies. I got some new 6 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: clothes on. My name is Ben, Ben, my name is 7 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: no set of new pennies. Yeah, because there are three 8 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: of us. I was going to say a couple, and 9 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: it was like, Casey is also a shining penny, all 10 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: his own super producer, Casey Pegram. Sure, he's definitely shining. 11 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: He's also she's shining up the room here because we're 12 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: once again in the odd studio where we it all together, 13 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: um face to face, as opposed to us inside the 14 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: shipping container and him on the outside of the glass 15 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: looking in and your null that is me. Did I 16 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: not say that? Gosh, you're probably right then I didn't 17 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,839 Speaker 1: say that. Hey, uh, since we're all in here together, 18 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: you guys want to wrastle, let's do it. I will 19 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: morally support you. Okay. Well, I'm a little under the weather, 20 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 1: so I don't want to. I don't want to risk 21 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: putting you any more at risk than you already are. Well. 22 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: To be fair, Ben, that kind of gives you the advantage. 23 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: You could just pan us to the ground then cough 24 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: in our faces, and that would just like weaken us further, 25 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: you know. Sure that's something that some people are very 26 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: interested in seeing. Yeah, we're not. They can they won't 27 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: be able to see it, but they could at least 28 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: hear it. But Um, theater of the mind, theater of 29 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: the dirty mind. Uh, we do want to add, or 30 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: I want to add at least that. Another neat thing 31 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: about the studio right now is that we are surrounded 32 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: by uh fan art made by Aaron Cooper also known 33 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: as Coope, wherein he's taken propels Josh and Chuck and 34 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: uh a couple of times. Let's see Jonathan Strickland a k. 35 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: The Quister and myself actually uh, and he's put us 36 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:13,839 Speaker 1: in these weird movie posts scenarios. Yes, there we go, Yes, 37 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: just like the Quister would say. Uh. You can also 38 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: see you can see some of his weird fan art 39 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: if you want to check it out. And one of 40 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: these is a tribute to the late great Terry Jones. 41 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: Um was really sad to hear of his passing Monty 42 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: Python legend, director of my favorite Monty Python film, The 43 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: Holy Grail, of course. Uh, and that's one of the 44 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: ones on the wall. There is Chuck as King, Arthur 45 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: josh As I believe, Sir Galahad, I believe. And then 46 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: we've got uh, there's Jonathan in the back and that's you, right, yeah, 47 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: that's me. Uh. You know what, we'll we'll just take 48 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: a picture of this and we'll post it on our 49 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: favorite Facebook site, Ridiculous Historians. And it wouldn't be theater 50 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: of the mind, I know, I know, but then they 51 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't Maybe they wouldn't be here in it while they're 52 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,959 Speaker 1: looking at the picture. So it's theater of the eye. 53 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 1: I like that. But the reason i bring up the 54 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: rassling is because I've got this personal moral code where 55 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: I I will not allow anyone to take my fair 56 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: tiny hand in marriage unless they can best me in 57 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,679 Speaker 1: uh in a in a wrestling match. Um. And it 58 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 1: was weird because I've had this all, you know, it's 59 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: all my adult life. But you thought it was an 60 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: original I thought it was an original thought. I thought 61 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: that was just you know, I've got this code. Noal, 62 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: You're gonna stick to it. Then it turns out, you know, 63 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: we we were researching this episode on the great great 64 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: granddaughter of one Jengis Khan. You may know him as 65 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: Genghis Khan, but you may know him wrong. My friends 66 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: for it as Jengis like jenga Uh, and his great 67 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: great granddaughter was named Kutun. Mm hmm. That's four oa 68 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: real quick. It was pretty close. Well, I think we 69 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: could if he's mashed both of our pronunciations together, we 70 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: would end up with the right one, because it feels 71 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: like it should be three syllables, but it's the way 72 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: we're pronounced it is too We don't speak Mongolian. Please 73 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: be kind, but we're gonna go with Katune for now. 74 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: I think that's smart, also known as Shining Moon. That's right. 75 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: She was the great great granddaughter of Jengis Khan, as 76 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: you said, and she was believed to have been born 77 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: around twelve sixty to Kai Do, Kai Do was a 78 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: grandson of O g Dai Khan and a cousin of 79 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: Kublai Khan. Unlike Kubla Khan, the guy who founded the 80 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: Yuan dynasty and assimilated to Chinese culture, Kai Do said 81 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: We're gonna stay true to our roots. We started this 82 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: game as nomads, We're going out as nomads. We're keeping 83 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: that lifestyle. And this worked for him. By twelve eighty 84 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: he was one of the most powerful authorities in the 85 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: Mongol Empire, and he had an iron grip on his 86 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: knight and the connates, like the Mongol Empire was divided 87 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: into these different connates or sections of power. Is Kubla 88 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: Khan the same as Kubla Khan by the Samuel Taylor 89 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: Coleridge poem it's referenced. Yeah, I love the idea of 90 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: a stately pleasure exactly sunless Sea and Zana do did 91 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: Kubla Khan a stately pleasure dome? Decree? Where Alf the Alf? 92 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: I love the idea of a river named Alf because 93 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: I can't just I can't not think of you know, 94 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: the puppet cat eating alien alf? Uh? Yeah, wait where Alf? 95 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: The sacred river ran through caverns measureless to man, very 96 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: very beautiful poem by Cole Ridge. There Um, but we digress. 97 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: We pulled some pretty good background on the Mongol Empire 98 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: from ancient origins dot net um. It was quite the 99 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: fragmented empire um and the title of Great Cohn was 100 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: given to Kubla kN Um. It makes me think of 101 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: you know, the the dath RACKI and Game of Thrones. Clearly, 102 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: the whole idea of the Calls was very much pulled 103 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: from the cons you know, the whole there were horse 104 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: lords and all of that stuff. Well, the Song of 105 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: Ice and Fire, the book series on which Game of 106 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: Thrones is based, is at times a beat for beat 107 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: reimagining of the War of the Roses. So a lot 108 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: of a lot of the appeal of George R. R. 109 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: Martin's work comes from the fact that it's so so 110 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: closely based on real life events. You know, I'm just 111 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: saying he never said, no way I made that up 112 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: call is you know, that's a George thing. He's he's acknowledges. 113 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: Does that take away the creativity of it for you 114 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: or absolutely No? I don't think so, you know, I 115 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: think it strengthens the narrative. You agreed. Um, So, yeah, 116 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: we've got Kubla Khan who is the Great con But 117 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: unfortunately that was more or less a ceremonial title because 118 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: he wasn't particularly successful. This was a time of a 119 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: very petty and fruitless war against these warring clans um 120 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: a lot of infighting. I guess you could call it, right, Yeah, absolutely. Uh. 121 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: Think of the film The Highlander, when there can only 122 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: be one in the eyes of a lot of these rulers, 123 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: there can only be one great final boss of the 124 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: Mongol Empire, one great Cohn, and it's very King of 125 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: the Hill esque. Everybody wants that position because of this situation. 126 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: It's okay for these these people, these rulers, to be 127 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: open enemies. Kai Do clearly opposes Kublai Khan and anyone 128 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: who supports him. And this is the this is the rich, fertile, 129 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: dangerous political soil into which cartoon is born. She was 130 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: brought up like her father in that old school nomadic 131 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: way of life. She had fourteen older brothers, and as 132 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: she and her siblings grew up, they were taught the 133 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: traditional feats of the empire of this culture, archery, horse riding, 134 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: shooting bow and arrow from the back of a horse, 135 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: and of course wrestling. Katun was very good at all 136 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: these things, and some historians even said that she was 137 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: the favorite kid because she was also very smart. She 138 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: was a tactician, and the rumor is that her father 139 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: would bypass her fourteen brothers and come up to Katsun 140 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: and say, you know, okay, well what do you think 141 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 1: what do you think we should do? Should we should 142 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: we ride in on on horses? That's what we usually do. 143 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: We usually do the horse thing. And then she would 144 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: be like, I think that's smart. Let's let's stick with 145 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: a horse thing, dad, and then just really really quickly 146 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: to backtrack her great great grandfather, who is not going 147 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: to figure as much into this obviously, because that's generations passed. 148 00:08:55,800 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: Jengis Khan, he's known for kind of uniting these more clans, 149 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: was not sort of a big part of what he did, 150 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: and now that has all kind of fallen by the wayside, right, 151 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: and they've become fragmented again, which is interesting because he 152 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: was he led with such an iron fist that he 153 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: was able to kind of pull a lot of these 154 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: warring clans together and now they have kind of broken 155 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: apart again. Yes, for the just for the sense of 156 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: the empire here. Jenis Khan was born in eleven sixty 157 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: two and he passed away in twelve twenties seven, and 158 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: Cartune was born in twelve sixties, so this is after 159 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: he has passed, but people alive still remember him as 160 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: the great uniter. What important thing about Cartune. It's tempting 161 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 1: maybe to think she was exceptional or you know, the 162 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: word that would throw around the West, as a tomboy, 163 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,599 Speaker 1: but we have to remember that given the nature of 164 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 1: the society, there was some gender equality. When it came 165 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: to horsemanship. Women would ride horses just as well as 166 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: the dudes, and every everybody at least had some proficiency 167 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: with a bow and arrow. That's right, if I'm not mistaken. 168 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: Even back in Jengiss day, Um, there were female warriors. 169 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 1: It was kind of a bit of an equal playing 170 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: field at least on the battlefield as far as gender 171 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: was concerned, isn't that right? More so than one would 172 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: see in Western Europe. I just remember being kind of 173 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 1: amazed by that. Are surprised by that fact, because you know, 174 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: you think of Jengis con as being this iron fisted, 175 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: super macho, kind of you know, dictator almost, but um, 176 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 1: he really did kind of see the big picture in 177 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: terms of everyone has something to contribute, at least when 178 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: it comes to fighting, right right. He was still a 179 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 1: real pill, as as I would say in Tennessee, but 180 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: he was a pill about different things. We also have 181 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: another famous figure who shows up who is a little 182 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: bit closer to the story than than good old Jengis, 183 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: which is what they probably called him, good old Jengi. 184 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: And that is this is the dumbest way thought of 185 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: introducing this. I hope you play along with it, North 186 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: and that character is Marco. You can tell her because 187 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,719 Speaker 1: I'm closer to the mica. Fish out of water is that? What? What? 188 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: What does that? What happens then is that when you 189 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: get out of the pool and you try to sneak 190 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 1: out of the pool. What are the actual rules of 191 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: Marco polo? So Marco polo blindfold in the pool game, Well, 192 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: it depends on how much you trust the your playmates there. 193 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: If you don't trust them, then wrap something around their head. 194 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: But otherwise they're supposed to keep their eyes closed. They're 195 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: wandering around the pool and they go Marco, and when 196 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: they say Marco, the people who are hiding from them 197 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: have to say Polo, and then you use that echolocation. Well, 198 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: there are some other rules. There's fish out of water. 199 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: If they do that, then if they catch you getting 200 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 1: out of the water, then you're automatically Marco for that, 201 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: then you're stoned to death basically, right, you had a 202 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: more intense pool culture than I did. We usually just 203 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: switch sides at that point. Yeah, I grew up in 204 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 1: a weird men and I cult. Really, it sounds like 205 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: you grew up in a fundamentalist sect somewhere in canadahar 206 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: Man stoning people to death, you know, it takes all kinds. 207 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 1: And Marco Polo was just the kind of guy for 208 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: this story. You know, he's the famous Venetian traveler. There's 209 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff about him that's kind of, uh embellished. 210 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: I would say, it's actually a Netflix series about him 211 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: that I've heard good things about. Did you see it? Ben? 212 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 1: I did? I did? I am because of some of 213 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 1: the research and fiction I do outside of the work stuff, 214 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: I really enjoy studying the story of Eurasia and Central 215 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: Asia and those explorations. So Pool Games aside, Marco polo 216 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: Um actually is the main source that we um have, 217 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: main primary source that we have on coutuune Um because 218 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 1: he Uh, in his travels, encountered her and wrote and 219 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: was just quite taken by her, and I believe she 220 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 1: actually features pretty prominently into the Netflix series. But he 221 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: wrote this about her, which we found on Ancient Origins 222 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: dot net. He referred to her as quotes so well 223 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: made in all her limbs, and so tall and strongly built, 224 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,839 Speaker 1: that she might almost be taken for a giant test, 225 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: and that she was so strong that there was no 226 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: young man in the whole kingdom who could overcome her. 227 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 1: But she vanquishes them all. We'd like to give you 228 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: a sense of just how badass continue actually is. Here's 229 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: another quotation from Marco Polo describing her preferred method of combat. 230 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: Nothing scared her. Not only did Contune ride by her 231 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: father's side into battle, she'd regularly charge headfirst into enemy 232 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: lines to make a dash at the host of the 233 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: enemy and see some man. They're out as definitely as 234 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: a hawk pounces on a bird and carry him to 235 00:13:55,679 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: her father. This is interesting because it almost sounds like 236 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: some kind of brutal, bloodthirsty game of fetch, you know 237 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: what I mean. And I'm not saying that she was 238 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: a dog or trained or anything, but that's interesting that 239 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: she would just run in, snatch someone off a horse, 240 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: and then take him back to dad. How strong do 241 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 1: you have to be to do that? Quite right, I 242 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: would say, yeah, for sure, and that's that's definitely. I 243 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: mean she was a force to be reckoned with, for sure. 244 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: But there was there was one battle that she was 245 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: very against, and that was one of the oldest battles 246 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: of the human species, romance. May I know, I love children? 247 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: What do you think about married with children? Man? Did 248 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: you enjoy that? It made me uncomfortable as a child? 249 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: Did me? Yeah? I was afraid. I was afraid that 250 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: I watched too much of it. It would like affect 251 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: my real life and it might end up like like 252 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: al or Bud working at a shoe store. Well, there's 253 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: nothing wrong with're working at a shoe store now, but 254 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: he but it was specifically he was very um entranced 255 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: by women's feet. There was a lot of weird fetishism 256 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: in that show. If I'm not mistaken, I think I 257 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: was watching it too young an age to really understand. 258 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: It was pretty raunchy, like he had to look at 259 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: a particular magazine before he got amorous with his wife. Yeah, 260 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: that was I always thought was really hot. What's that 261 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: actor's name who also does the voice of um the 262 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: character on Futurama with the with the one eye, Leela 263 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: Katie Seagal. Yes, huge, huge crush on Peggy Bundy, more 264 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: so even than Kelly Christine Apple Gay. Yeah, but they 265 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: were all good actors. They were What happened to the 266 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: guy who played bud uh not a whole lot? What 267 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: was his name? David Faustino? Yeah, that's right. You like 268 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: the show more than I. I did, quite enjoy the show. 269 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: But no, Cotun did not like Mary with Children because 270 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: it did not exist. She had like marriage as an institution, 271 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: like marriage an institution, So she was trying to set 272 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: herself up for failure essentially, right, she rigged the game. 273 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: She had that same code that I claimed to have 274 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: had for so long that she would only marry the 275 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: man who could best her in wrestling, which she was 276 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: known to be an expert at. And also, um, how 277 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: emasculating must that have been at the time? Right? Well? 278 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: How difficult and unfair to women? Or were the marriages 279 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: of the time, Oh, no question about it. But what 280 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: I'm saying is what man would be willing to like 281 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: submit himself to that kind of humiliation? Maybe you know, 282 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: because he's like if he if he wins, then he 283 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: looks like a big jerk who's like quote unquote beating 284 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: up a girl, right, and if he loses, then he's 285 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: been defeated by a woman, you know, and uh, and 286 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: that would probably not sit well with his reputation. We'll 287 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: keep in mind too, that the idea of marriage for 288 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: romantic purpose is is a relatively recent ocean in our 289 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: species and civilization. Many of these dudes doubtlessly did not 290 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: were not particularly attracted to cartoon you know. They, as 291 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: the ram comes say, they didn't love her for her marriages. 292 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: Were these diplomatic deals like any other, uh, any other 293 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 1: geopolitical arrangement. The fathers chose the husband based on how 294 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 1: it would unite or divide a tribe, how it would 295 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: help the balance of power, and the woman in the 296 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: marriage has just the one husband. Here's why it stinks 297 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: to be a woman in these marriages, because the men 298 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: on the other side of the marriage bed have as 299 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: many wives as they want, and they also have a 300 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: harem of women they sleep with that they don't marry, 301 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: so they have like this pokemon, got to collect them 302 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: all approach, right, so they can have their cake and 303 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: eat it too, which is just cartoonishly unfair to the women. 304 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: Completely agree with you, there, Ben, So what's the point, right, 305 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: what's the point of merit is an institution? Uh? Not 306 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: only did she not want to be, you know, the 307 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: the chattel of a man. I think probably part of 308 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: her saw that inequality and saw that disconnect and was like, 309 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: I don't want any part of that. I should have 310 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 1: the same choice as any man. I should be able 311 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 1: to stand on my own two feet. I can best 312 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: demand in wrestling. Um, I can fight alongside men on horseback, 313 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: shooting my bows and arrows. Um. Why should I allow 314 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: myself to be the chattel of some dumb man? Right? 315 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: So Kai Do says, you're you're a woman now, girl boom, 316 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: you're really singing your heart out today? Then? Oh? Is 317 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: it is? Is this working? This is a good sound? Well, 318 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: you know, just we can't because apparently we can't play 319 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: actual songs in their diarity. But that would make the 320 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: episode too long too Uh So yes, Kai Do says, 321 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: you are coming of age. I need to marry you 322 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: off cartoon and she says, look, I know we're both 323 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: very into our our culture or nomadic lifestyle, and I 324 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: get that you feel this is the right moment in 325 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 1: my life to get married and that this will help 326 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: our our clans greater aims. But I don't really want 327 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: to do it. So I will get married on one condition, right, 328 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: I think you can guess what it is. You know, 329 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: we've been talking about this whole time. The condition that 330 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: she be bested by said man, said suitor. Uh, in 331 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: combat hand to hand wrestling. Right, So if any man wins, 332 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: then she becomes his wife. But what happens if the 333 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: man loses? He doesn't get killed? No, No, you're very 334 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 1: pro stoning to death. Man. Have you ever seen it happen? 335 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: It's not pretty. Just in Marco Polo came right. Uh, 336 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: it wasn't that bad, but it was a tremendous financial 337 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: blow if they were if they were defeated and wrestling, 338 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: they would have to give Katoon one hundred horses. Is 339 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: that like the name of their currency or like physical horses? 340 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: Yet a hundred actual horses? Yeah? No word on the 341 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 1: quality of the horses, if they had to be stallions, 342 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: or if it was okay for them to be fouls, whatever, 343 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: what if you like, I'm sure you wouldn't accept like 344 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: some sickly horses. I don't know. That's the thing about 345 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: a hundred horses at once. You can kind of thread 346 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: them in if you're unethical, the same way that people 347 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: like will use a roll of twenty dollar bills but 348 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: the inside is just one dollar bills. You've done this before, 349 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: I have not. No, No, I'm a straight shooter in 350 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: the criminal underworld when it comes to horse trading at least. Yeah, 351 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: when it comes to horse trading, which might be legal 352 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: enjoying or not horse trading, but horse racing and betting 353 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: might be legal in Georgias. And yeah, there has nothing 354 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 1: to do with anything horses. Uh. And isn't it kind 355 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: of an inherently a little bit of a it's very 356 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: proud problematic enterprise. Yeah, so uh, back to the historical horses. 357 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: Let's hop on our historical horses here? Could Tune has 358 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people come try to wrestler? Right, of 359 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: course she does, which is which goes completely against what 360 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: I thought would happen. Um, because again I would think 361 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: who would who would want to submit themselves to this? 362 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: But I guess they were less concerned about being beaten, 363 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: and they were pretty sure that they would reign supreme. 364 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 1: It's almost like a reverse kind of glass slipper situation, right, absolutely, 365 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: And this adds up pretty quickly. Could Tune reportedly gains 366 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: over ten thousand horses from these wrestling matches. If you 367 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: do the math, one per loss to ten thousand, that 368 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 1: means she wrestled and beat more than a hundred dudes. 369 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 1: That's legendary. Man, that's crazy. They are professional wrestlers who 370 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: haven't beat more than a hundred people, that's true. I 371 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: don't know that there are more than a hundred professional 372 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: wrestlers in the w w E. Cannon surely he thinks, 373 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: oh god, have you looked up their WICKI in the 374 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: eighties they had some well I mean at one time, oh, 375 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: at one time, yeah, I don't know. I think overall yes, 376 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: But cannon was the wrong word. We discussed that in 377 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: the last episode. I'm clearly a little foggy on what 378 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: canon means. There's a fantastic line that really, uh sets 379 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: the tone for all this. So let's let's you know 380 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: she gained ten thousand horses defeated more than a hundred suitors. 381 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: In a book called She Caused a Riot about cotune Um, 382 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: Hannah Jewel described the scene as such. The Mongolian steps 383 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: and the geographical steps were littered with the debris of 384 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: shattered male egos. I like that imagery. Um, and you know, 385 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: I gosh, you can't, you can't, you can't not root 386 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: for Contunune in this whole situation, right, I mean, these 387 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: guys were cocky. They came along thinking they were just 388 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: going to walk away with the keys to the kingdom 389 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,959 Speaker 1: a k a. Contune's hand in marriage. Let's not forget 390 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: she's a princess. This is a big deal to to 391 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: be her suitor. You would, you know, be in line 392 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: for the throne or you know, a very high position 393 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: of power. Um. One particularly cocky suitor up the anti 394 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: significantly and bet a thousand horses on one of these 395 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: wrestling matches. And you know, Cartuns parents supposedly liked the guy, 396 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: and we're really hoping that they'd that they'd work out. Um, 397 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: so they actually asked Contune to please darling daughter throw 398 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: the match. I can't believe. Again, this also kind of 399 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: speaks to the relative progressiveness of this culture, right, Like, 400 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: you know, they're allowing this to go down. They're they're 401 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: not just saying no, you gotta marry whoever, we say, 402 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: They have agreed to her her you know Cava here, right, 403 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,239 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe she was a bruiser with her parents too. 404 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 1: This is the this is the thing, right. She listens, 405 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: Picture her with her hands steepled, maybe a little her 406 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 1: fingers steepled rather maybe Monty Burne style, going as their 407 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: parents are telling her all this stuff. And then she goes, Okay, 408 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: I've listened to your advice. I've taken your counsel. So 409 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: she goes into the ring and then, as Marco Polo says, 410 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: she throws him right valiant Lee on the palace pavement 411 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: takes the one thousand horses, and Kaidu here is a 412 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: little conflicted because he's like, he's he's supposed to get married, 413 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: but also horses are money, and we were rolling in 414 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: the horse poop today, like in a good way. We 415 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 1: have this wealth, we have this status. People respect us. 416 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: And eventually he got to the point where he just 417 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: started saying, you know what, her fourteen brothers are okay, 418 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: but my daughter Contune deserves to be the next con 419 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: more than any dude in Mongolia. Didn't say dude, he said, man, 420 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: of course. And you know, besides, I mean, I think 421 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: there's plenty of obvious reasons why Cotune would not have 422 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: wanted to be tied down to a man. We talked 423 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: about that culture of the concubine and the harem situation 424 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: and the fact that women who were married were at 425 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: that point, uh, sort of sub citizens, right, they were 426 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 1: really just the property of their husbands. She wanted better 427 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 1: than that for herself. I think that's clear just from 428 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: the way she carried herself and you know how important 429 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: that warrior lifestyle was to her. So it's entirely possible 430 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: that that was the main reason why she didn't want 431 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: to marry. There's also some speculation that she could have 432 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: been gay, and uh, that was something that was not 433 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: acceptable and that she would not have been able to 434 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 1: openly discuss um. So she you know, created this whole 435 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: situation with the wrestling so that she would never have 436 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: to be married. But my money is on just her 437 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: being a strong willed, individualistic human person who did not 438 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: want to give all of that up because of course 439 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: with marriage comes you know, babies and pregnancy, and a 440 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: pregnant woman isn't going to be able to um, you know, 441 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 1: leap into battle, right, That's that's not something that will 442 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: be on the table and then she'll be fussed over. 443 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: And she didn't want to be fussed over. She wanted 444 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: to be completely independent. So there are a couple of 445 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: rumors here. Now we're leaving the sunny, well lit land 446 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: of historical fact and we're entering uh the overcast region 447 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 1: of historical speculation. There are differing accounts of why Cartoon 448 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: was not into the idea of marriage, and some of 449 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 1: them involve the idea of romantic relationships with family members. 450 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: One rumor says that she was in love with one 451 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: of her first cousins and she was unable to marry 452 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: this indivi vidual. The thing about that is, you know, 453 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: a romantic relationship with the first cousin at that time 454 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: throughout the world would not be particularly unusual, so there 455 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: would have been some other intervening reason. You can read 456 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: more about that one on History collection dot co. There's 457 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: also this is like the Mongol Empire version of TMZ 458 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: level news, please treat it as such. We found this 459 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: article on all That's Interesting dot com that says she 460 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: decided to get married because rumors were spreading that she 461 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: was having an incestuous affair with her own father, and 462 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: that she chose to marry a man without wrestling him 463 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: because she wanted to save her father's reputation. Yeah, that's 464 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: a lot. Uh. That's where you know, the the duty 465 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: and honor and obligation stuff kicks in the high gear. 466 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: Another historian, uh Rashad al Din says that it's it's 467 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 1: a little bit more of a happy ending that she 468 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: did actually finally fall in romantic love and married a ruler, 469 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: a ruler in the Mongol Empire based in Persia named 470 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: gaj These. I don't know, man, The last one we 471 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: heard was that she married a prisoner who tried and 472 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: failed to kill her father. I mean, I guess she 473 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: maybe would have respected the audacity, you know, and the 474 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: pluckiness of it all right. She seems like a y 475 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: has a very interesting code that just makes the wedding 476 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: dinner so weird, really awkward, really awkward. Tried and failed 477 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: like you passed, uh you you know, you pass the 478 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: plate of horsemeat or whatever to your father in law 479 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: and he's like, did you poison it? And you go, ah, 480 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: that's funny, bad busting my jobs, busting your horse chops. 481 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: But again, she's such a unique person with such a 482 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: individualistic perspective. I could see how she would respect somebody 483 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: who would have the again, the audacity to go after 484 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: her father. She has scruples of plenty, and not the 485 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: orency exactly. We do know that eventually she did, she 486 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: did get married, she did take a husband, but she 487 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: was never defeated as a wrestler. Uh, And that was 488 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: universally acknowledged throughout the land. When Katun is in her 489 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: early forties, her father is Ailien kai Do is dying. 490 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: He is surrounded by his children as multiple wives. On 491 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: his literal deathbed, he says, I regret never appointing Katun 492 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: as the leader of our clan. She's not just the strongest, 493 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: but she's also very well respected by the soldiers. She is, 494 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: by far and away streets ahead, the best leader we 495 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: could have had. And that's on me. Why didn't he 496 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: do it? Then? He could have done it. He couldn't 497 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: he have like done that with his dying breath appointed 498 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: her khan. Well, it would have been breaking Mongolian traditions 499 00:29:55,480 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: to name her con to have a female con And 500 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: everybody is aware of his personal beliefs, but they're also 501 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: aware of the traditional stuff. At this point, you know, 502 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: she's forty one years old, She's got years of experience. Uh. 503 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: People in the army really respect her, and they're also 504 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: kind of terrified of her because again, she can ride 505 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: a horse into battle, literally snatched someone off the horse, 506 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: just like a hawk, picking up a little rodent, and 507 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: then bring it back wherever she pleases. She is a 508 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: b a, but despite her father's wishes, she's not allowed 509 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: to be a con because her fourteen brothers that we 510 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: mentioned put a lot of pressure on. Yeah, I forgot 511 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: about the fourteen brothers. They wouldn't have that. This feels 512 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: like a real life fairy tale. There's a weird test 513 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: to marry the princess. There's an egregious number of siblings, right, 514 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: that's right, um. And so there's even some speculation that 515 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: her brothers had planned to have her killed because the 516 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: rules of of the who ascends to be the Great 517 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: cohn uh do not revolve entirely around gender or around 518 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: the lineage uh you know age, rather uh there specifically 519 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: about who's the strongest. So they knew that she was 520 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: the strongest, and they were worried that she would overtake them, 521 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: and therefore supposedly, you know, hatch some kind of plot 522 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: to have her killed, But that's not really proven. It's 523 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: just something that we've seen floating around here and there. 524 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the idea that maybe they had her killed 525 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: or poisoned. And a lot of this is attributed to 526 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: the fact that when Kubla Khan took over control of 527 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: the empire, he actually used a lot of the stories 528 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: of continue as propaganda, so they were much exaggerated and 529 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: kind of twisted to serve his purposes. And it wasn't 530 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: until we started seeing those Marco Polo accounts come up 531 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: that people really started to hear the truth about Continuing Story. 532 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: And you might say, what a what a neat fascinating story. 533 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Ben Nolan case for for clueing me in. 534 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: But we have one last twist for you. Uh. This 535 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: might surprise some people. It might be a well known 536 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: fact as some of our fellow listeners already, But the 537 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: story of Cartoon, uh maybe a family story that is 538 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: personal to you and you didn't know it because you see, 539 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: Cartoon was far from being the only descendant of Jengis Khan. 540 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: In fact, why chromosome data and research that came out 541 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: a number of years ago, I think uh proves that 542 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: about point five percent of the male population of the 543 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: world is somehow descended from Jengis Khan. I mean was 544 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: a busy boy. I mean, you know. It's interesting though 545 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: when you think of it, like, even for the three 546 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: of us in this room, this might be a family 547 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: story for one of us. Yeah, oh wait, wait wait wait, 548 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: not you, because we know your DNA You're you're Scandinavia, 549 00:32:54,360 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: pretty exclusively Scandinavian, which is pretty cool, right. It's arkly eyes, 550 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: just got my red my redness in my beard, you 551 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: know all that stuff. I'm cool with it. It was 552 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: just a little underwhelming. I guess you know my ancestry 553 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: dot Com results. You wanted a twist. I wanted a twist. 554 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: You wanted something you wanted, like an unmarked helicopter to 555 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: land in your backyard and some guy get out of 556 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: the helicopter and come up and say, come with us. 557 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: You are the chosen. I was kind of hoping twenty 558 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 1: three of meat only exist to find me exactly here's 559 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: the child. I still haven't uh, I still have not 560 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: taken any DNA tests. I know you guys are a 561 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: reticence to do so. I don't know why. I don't care. 562 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: I guess I just have no sense of self preservation. Well, 563 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: people like to learn about themselves. It's I mean, that's true. Casey, 564 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: did you ever take a DNA test? I have not. No. 565 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: I Um, I'm still entertaining the fantasy of my DNA 566 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: not ending up in a database somewhere. Fantasy. Yeah, that's 567 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: a that's a good word. That's a nice story. So 568 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: thank you so much to everyone for tuning in. Uh, 569 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: thanks of course to Gabe. Thanks to Christopher. I feel 570 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: like we're almost on a first name basis now as 571 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 1: an audience with these guys. Uh. Thanks of course to Alex, 572 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: who composed our banging track big time. Thanks to Alex. 573 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 1: Thanks to Eve's check out her show This Day in 574 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 1: History class um, and uh, you know slight thanks to 575 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland the Devious Question. You can check him out 576 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: in his human form on a show called Tech Stuff 577 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: that Exists out there in the world, as well as 578 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: when he materializes in our studio to read havoc on 579 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 1: our mental health. I feel like we need to soap 580 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: this outrope before he hops in. Uh, so real quick. 581 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: We're on Facebook, We're on Instagram, we're on Twitter. We 582 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: may or may not push the picture from this studio 583 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: on our Facebook page. Let's be honest, we're not going to. 584 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: I might if you're cool with it. I'm cool with 585 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: Are you cool with it? Casey? Fine? Alright? Wow, Okay 586 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 1: that was real cold. Fine, alright, well we're going to 587 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: do it anyway forward to the future. Uh. Find us 588 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: on Ridiculous Historians. You can also find us as individuals 589 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: on the social meets. Yeah. You can find me exclusively 590 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: on Instagram. I am at how Now Noel Brown. I 591 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: am at Ben Bolan on Instagram. Uh. Stay tuned of 592 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 1: going to do some weird, crazy things. Uh. And I 593 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: am at Ben Bolan on Twitter, where you can see 594 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: my overwhelmingly positive opinion of people's pets. We'll see you 595 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: next time. Books. For more podcasts from my Heart Radio, 596 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,240 Speaker 1: visit the I heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 597 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.