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Speaker 1: thank you for logging into another episode of Fish Bites.

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Speaker 1: My name is Danny Martinez, and today we have a

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Speaker 1: sweet and short.

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Speaker 2: One for you.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna streamline it, We're gonna go right to the

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Speaker 1: pitching performance. We have one dialogue question that was sent

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Speaker 1: in which quite frankly, I believe was a little bit sarcastic,

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Speaker 1: but I liked it so much that I wanted to

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Speaker 1: then we're gonna bring in Ed Sinabrian to the show.

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Speaker 1: He's our guest for today. He's a behavior analyst and

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Speaker 1: a lifelong Marlins fan. And what I love about what

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Speaker 1: Ed wants to talk about is the fact that it

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Speaker 1: is so easy, at least for me, and you know,

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Speaker 1: which is the frustrations of being a Marlins fan because

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Speaker 1: there's so few of us right even in our own city.

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Speaker 1: I often make the joke that I'll go to my

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Speaker 1: barbershop and everyone there has their their different crazy concepts

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Speaker 1: is frustrating in our own fa in our own families.

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Speaker 1: We have the Yankee fan, we have the Red Sox fan,

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Speaker 1: we have the Cubs fan, and yet, for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: and we can dictate all of those reasons, all of

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Speaker 1: And Ed is gonna come on and talk to us

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Speaker 1: about that concept, and I really think it's a great one.

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Speaker 1: I really believe that we're gonna be able to have

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Speaker 1: a good conversation on that. And it's some than that

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Speaker 1: you the listener will be able to feel. Right, if

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Speaker 1: you're listening to this podcast, it's because you're one of

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Speaker 1: the few and far between Marlins fans, and I'm interested

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Speaker 1: of course we're going to start off with our player performances,

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Speaker 1: and our pitching performance shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Now,

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Speaker 1: someone that myself and the guys at ets earning their

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Speaker 1: and you put up seven scoreless innings, you only allow

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Speaker 3: What a play by Cooper, that's three six three double play.

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Speaker 2: What a back hand on us, Tron Benn.

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Speaker 1: But Jordan Yamamode deserves this designation, and I think at

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Speaker 1: depending on who you talk to, is either top thirteen,

435
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,120
Speaker 1: top ten, top fifteen, and then you have some outliers

436
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 1: that have them towards the back because quite frankly, I'll

437
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:52,679
Speaker 1: just say it, I don't think they pay enough attention

438
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 1: to farm systems. The Marlins farm system is littered with

439
00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 1: All Stars. They just had the All Star for Jupiter.

440
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 1: I hope y'all wan had a good time. Jose Devers

441
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 1: was an All Star candidate or not a Candida selection,

442
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,120
Speaker 1: Edward Carverrera, Trevor Rodgers, Jordan Holloway.

443
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 2: You have guys that should be All Stars.

444
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 1: Whether the voting takes them that way or not, Isandia's

445
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: absolutely Monte Harrison, if he hadn't gotten hurt, would have

446
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: been a shoe in, but still might be someone that

447
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: deserves to get in Zach Gallen. In the lower levels,

448
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 1: you have guys like hit at In Carnascio and Chris Vallomont.

449
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 1: It's littered with all stars across the minor league system,

450
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 1: a bunch of them that are knocking on the door.

451
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 1: Zach Gallen already has his entire weight on it, I

452
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,199
Speaker 1: wrote on fish Stripes. He is pushing fully across the door.

453
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: If he had one of those swap rammers that they have,

454
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 1: he would already be in it. Gallin, Harrison Diaz all

455
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 1: right on the door, all playing at all star levels

456
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: in the minor YU level. So when you're talking about

457
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 1: am I concerned about the minor league level, I'm sorry,

458
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: that's not it either. I'm not concerned about the pitching

459
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Speaker 1: at the major league level. I'm not concerned about the

460
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 1: offensive pieces at the major league level, and I'm not

461
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: concerned about the minor league level, especially now after this draft.

462
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 1: But here's what worries me, and I think it's a

463
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: fair question. I think it's a fair concern and it

464
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: actually connects very well. I didn't even do this on

465
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 1: purpose with what Ed is going to be speaking about.

466
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 1: There is a fair question of does any amount of

467
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: success or trust building, or changes in relationship or rebranding,

468
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: or lowering the concessions or success in the minor leagues,

469
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: convince Miami and convince the surrounding fan base to come

470
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: back and open their eyes and arms to the organization.

471
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Speaker 1: You want to know what I'm worried about, It's that

472
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: because an organization, regardless of revenue sharing, regardless of one

473
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: hundred million different ways which they can hold on to

474
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: their money, if they do not have a fan base

475
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: that can pump more than ten thousand individuals out a game,

476
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: which is the lowest of the lowest bar, then you're

477
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 1: in a tough situation. I don't think Miami understands what

478
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 1: they have with a professional league here in South Florida,

479
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: and I don't blame anyone that is past it because

480
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we have discussed this

481
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: over and over again. The concept of the rebuilds, the

482
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: concept of being a scorn lover, the concept of I'm

483
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: just being honest, not knowing who was even traded for

484
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 1: for the big names, the concept of not knowing how

485
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 1: they're doing in the minor leagues, the individuals that only

486
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: care about the win loss record at the major league

487
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: level and have no interest whatsoever. At the minor league system.

488
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: You can all be validated. You are allowed to be

489
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: the type of fan that you are. But the problem

490
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: is is that when there's too many of those and

491
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: not enough of the individuals that say this is a rebuild,

492
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna take time. Look at the good that's happening.

493
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: It's not a good situation to be in because in

494
00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 1: Miami you need to win. We have established that. My

495
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 1: question isn't if they're going to win this team the

496
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 1: way that they have constructed the minor leagues. And look,

497
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: I get it. They had a head start because they

498
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: gave out and they rebuilt with a lot of outgoing talents,

499
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 1: even though I do not include Stanton in that because

500
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 1: of the no trade clause because of injury concerns and

501
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: because of the fact that he could choose where he

502
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: was going.

503
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 2: And the money.

504
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: But Yelich, I know Zuna and the rest of them,

505
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: they had value in the trades, especially JT. So they

506
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: had a head start. But with that head start, they've

507
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: added immense pitching, they've added immense talent in the system,

508
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: and they've knocked out this draft. So for those that

509
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: are saying rebuilds can never Actually, you know, we don't

510
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: know if it'll happen. I get that, but man, this

511
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: one has a really good chance of at least producing

512
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: a competitive club within two to three years. So my

513
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: question isn't even will they win. No, my question is

514
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Speaker 1: when they win, is it still enough for Miami to

515
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: come back? And I don't know. The attendance looks worse

516
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: than it is because Miami is still one of the

517
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: few clubs to count turnstiles instead of giveaways. And if

518
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: they bought the ticket. No, if you bought a ticket,

519
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: you weren't given it to If you bought a ticket

520
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: and you walked into Marlin's Park, you are counted in

521
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: the attendance before. If you bought a ticket, if you

522
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: were given a ticket, if you came to the park,

523
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: if you stayed at home, if you sold the ticket,

524
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: all of those were counted before. This is something that

525
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: then the ownership has been praised for and still one

526
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: of the very few teams, if not one of the

527
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: only teams in Major League Baseball at least to count

528
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: in this fashion. It's transparent, but oh man, it looks

529
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: really bad when the casual fan looks at the attendance

530
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: and doesn't realize that there's a difference, doesn't realize that

531
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 1: the average of what eight ten thousand would really be

532
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: like fifteen thousand right now if we had counted it

533
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: the way that previous ownership and most ownership groups around

534
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: the league do. And yet it does not change the

535
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: fact that not enough people are there. I get it propagandist,

536
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: but the park is beautiful. I don't have to be

537
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: on payroll. Which I'm not to say that the park

538
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: is beautiful. It's a style opinion. But most of the

539
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: feedback has been that that park is gorgeous and that

540
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 1: whether the Marlins win or not, you have a good

541
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: time at it. You walk around, you see the center

542
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: field area, The food is fantastic, the ticket prices is great.

543
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: The worst thing about Marlin's Park right now is just

544
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 1: paying for parking, and that's because of the deal that

545
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: they have with the city. So it's not a blind

546
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: hope to say that there are good things about the park,

547
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: but I get it. No one's coming out for a

548
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: rebuilding team. Miami's upset at just the entity of the Marlins,

549
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: which is when you have why when you have a conversation,

550
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,959
Speaker 1: no one can find a way to just stick to

551
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: the new change in the Marlins. No one can talk

552
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: about just the twenty seventeen plus moves. It always has

553
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: to go back to Haisinga, or back to Laurea, or

554
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: back to all the players that we've lost, and I

555
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: get that.

556
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 2: I understand that it's very.

557
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: Hard to do that, even though I believe that if

558
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: I was someone who came in and is trying to

559
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: fix something, I would want to be judged on my actions,

560
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: which is why I'm okay with the individual that says,

561
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: forget everything that happened back then. I still don't agree

562
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: with the rebuilds starting from twenty seventeen, and that's why

563
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: I'm angry. Much respect to that person, not as much

564
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: respect to the person that thinks that Paddock being away

565
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: and Discofani and Williams and Castile being away has to

566
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: do with anything that's happening with the Marlins right now.

567
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if all of the things that I

568
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: have rambled off on for the last ten minutes can

569
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: be overcome by winning.

570
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 2: If there is.

571
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: One city that will be able to do that, it's

572
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,719
Speaker 1: the city because we love being where the hot spot is.

573
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: If we if the Marlins really become the Astros or

574
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: the Cubs or even the Royals for just three or

575
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: four years, Miami will show up. I could drop right

576
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: now a pit Bull slogan saying that the hottest restaurant

577
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: is off of Skuyulta on seven hundred and fifty fifth Street,

578
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: which doesn't exist, and a bunch of people in Miami

579
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: will go and try to find that hot restaurant. It's

580
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: what our city does. We are absolutely an event town.

581
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: If the Marlins win, if the Marlins become an event,

582
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: people will be there. But I still have my concerns because,

583
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: very similar to what Ed is likely going to talk about,

584
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: I also realize that I'm one of the few and

585
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: far in between. If you're listening to this podcast, you're

586
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: also likely one of the few and far in between.

587
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: Like most political concepts and elections, it's not about the

588
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: extremes on both sides. It is about the few and

589
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: far in between that have to choose one way or

590
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: the other. What is Miami going to do when the

591
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,479
Speaker 1: Marlins get close to five hundred next year with their

592
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: upcoming core and when in twenty twenty one they're fighting

593
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: for a wild card spot or better, and then in

594
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two or twenty twenty three they are actually

595
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: in it. They've made the playoffs. I'm assuming that the

596
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: playoffs will be sold out. But what will happen the

597
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: next year if they don't start off ten and one

598
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: or ten and five, what will happen the consecutive years? See,

599
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: the issue here is that Miami does not only have

600
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: to win this rebuild, they have to dominate it.

601
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 2: Because that's what Lauria left.

602
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: Laurya left a farm system that the Marlins could not

603
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: just win this previous draft. They had to dominate it.

604
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: The Marlins cannot just do okay in this rebuild. They

605
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: have to dominate it. The Marlins cannot just go to

606
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: one playoff appearance. They have to go to three. And

607
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: you better win a championship at that time because if not,

608
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: Miami's not going to show up. This is the issue.

609
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: This is where the issue lies. So when you ask

610
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: me what I'm worried about, it's not the pitching, it's

611
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: not the on the field, it's not the win loss record.

612
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: That matters absolutely nothing. Next year we can start worrying

613
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: about the win loss record. This is year two of

614
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: a rebuild. Let's go, let's relax a little bit. It

615
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: is about whether they can ever do enough or they

616
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: will ever be able to prove and get enough trust

617
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: with that city again because of all of the disarray

618
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: that has happened, and because they decided whether financially alone

619
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: or baseball decision alone, or a combo of the both,

620
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: which is what I believe in. There's a theory of

621
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: why they did this rebuild. It was financial and baseball decision.

622
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: There's merits on both sides of that discussion. They decided

623
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: to do it, and they decided to add to the

624
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: score and lover and they decided to add to that

625
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: because they had to have known that this was kind

626
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: of the response they were going to get, and they

627
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: still did it.

628
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 2: Good for them.

629
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: They have a strong backbone, and quite frankly, they probably

630
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: needed to do financially, and it made sense when you

631
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: have a seventy five win team with no farm system

632
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,959
Speaker 1: to rebuild from a baseball standpoint, but you've added it,

633
00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: so now you have to dominate. Done well with the draft,

634
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: minor league players are performing. To me, it's not even

635
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: a question of if this rebuild will produce a better

636
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: product than the twenty seventeen.

637
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 2: It will when it comes to win loss in a

638
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 2: few years.

639
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: This rebuild will absolutely have a better product than any

640
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: of the four years that that core was together.

641
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: Just I don't know.

642
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: Put fifty on it from me, and if I'm wrong

643
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: in three years, come back and collect your fifty. And

644
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: yet my question is, even with that, will it be enough?

645
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: Ed Sinabra is going to be calling in in a

646
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: little bit. Look forward to that conversation.

647
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: Hear him out.

648
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: He's a really bright guy and like I said, and

649
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: very similar to this conversation that I just had right

650
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: now with you. He's going to give us an interesting

651
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: perspective on being one of those few and far in between.

652
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Speaker 1: As promised, Ed Scenabria has called in and is joining us,

653
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: and he's actually on a computer so he has a mic.

654
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: So we're getting like the five star experience here with Ed.

655
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Speaker 4: Ed.

656
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: Brother, How you.

657
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 4: Doing, I'm doing good, Danny. How are you man?

658
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 2: I'm good man. I'm excited to have you on for

659
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 2: a myriad of reasons.

660
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: Number one, because you know, like with anyone that comes

661
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: in and with anyone I really engage with. I love

662
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: talking baseball with people that know what they're talking about

663
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: and you definitely fit that bill. And then number two

664
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: like you're in the same career, you know path as

665
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: me somewhat right, dealing with definitely different populations a different

666
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 1: kind of conversation pieces. But I haven't had someone yet

667
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: that's in the mental health field and in the psych field.

668
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: So it's pretty cool to have you on, but I

669
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,479
Speaker 1: won't be the one to introduce for you. Go ahead

670
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: and let the people know who you are and what

671
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: you do.

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Speaker 4: All right. My name is Edison A. Bri I'm a

673
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 4: behavior therapist here in West Kendall, South Florida, Miami. I

674
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 4: basically travel over the place. I've been a huge, passionate

675
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 4: fan of the Marlins since his inaugural season. I was

676
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 4: born in ninety three, same year as the inaugural season.

677
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 4: I've attended two games of the U three World Series.

678
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 4: I was a season ticket holder for from twenty eleven

679
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 4: to twenty fourteen. I've just been a diehard fan ever

680
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,959
Speaker 4: since I can remember. It all started with my father,

681
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 4: and I've carried it over to me and I try

682
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 4: my best to carry it over to everybody around me.

683
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 4: But it's not that easy.

684
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's not easy.

685
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: And I hinted at this earlier in the recording that

686
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Speaker 1: this was one of the reasons I was also excited

687
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: for you coming on, because I think, you know, I

688
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: always asked the individual what they want to talk about, right,

689
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: I'm never going to force anyone to talk about what

690
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: they you know, other than what they would choose, And

691
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 1: you gave me a really great topic because it's one

692
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: that I think we can all empathize with. We could

693
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: all understand this. If you're listening to this podcast, you're

694
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: a Marlins fan, and you're probably and far in between, right,

695
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: And that was kind of your concept, was the fact

696
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: that it's frustrating sometimes being a Marlins fan, even within

697
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: the city, because we feel like we're so limited and

698
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: there's such a small minute amount of us. So talk

699
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: a little bit about that. Because really, as soon as

700
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: you sent me that, I smiled because I could just

701
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: feel that within myself. Talk to me about about the

702
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: frustrations that come with that.

703
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 4: So I think something that a lot of us have

704
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 4: experienced and just being a fan is just you know,

705
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 4: you bring up Miami heat, you bring up even dude,

706
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 4: you can even bring up the Dolphins who have probably

707
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 4: you know, some would argue a worse career than the

708
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 4: Marlins do. But you know, people will go to Dolphins

709
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 4: game and they'll back the Dolphins like, you know, like

710
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 4: it's life and death. People will go to Heat game,

711
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 4: same thing. You know, Heat have a winning culture and

712
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 4: I completely understand that. Then you know, you go to

713
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 4: the Marlins and well you can mention the Panthers too,

714
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 4: But if I'm being honest, not a lot of people

715
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 4: talk about these Panthers. But if you go to the Marlins,

716
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 4: you know, we have two World series. We've had countless

717
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 4: of just studs on our rosters. I mean, yeah, you know,

718
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 4: unfortunately they get traded away. Things happen, and you know,

719
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 4: people have you know, the Marlins itself has left a

720
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 4: bad taste on a lot of people's tongues, be it

721
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 4: the old regime, I mean even the new regime now

722
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 4: with with Jeter and company. I think it's very hard,

723
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 4: especially when you know when you get to the topic

724
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 4: of like, hey, let's go to Marlin's game, or did

725
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 4: you see you know, I don't know Garrett Cooper hit

726
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 4: his second Grand Slam on the exact same pitch you

727
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 4: got thrown out in Detroit. You know, it's there's things

728
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 4: that we see, but it's very difficult for us to

729
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 4: translate our excitement onto others, especially considering that most of

730
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 4: our of the fan base that we have now and

731
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 4: you know Marlin's Twitter. We look at things deeper than

732
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 4: just what's the major league product that's being put out

733
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 4: this season. You know, we look into the minor league system.

734
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 4: We look into contracts, we look into possible free agency

735
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 4: coming up. And that's a really hard thing to show

736
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 4: to people who just don't have any trust in this franchise.

737
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: To be honest, yeah, yeah, no, right with. You couldn't

738
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: said any better. I mean I always bring up the

739
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: example and I will continue to do. So. You go

740
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: to your local you know, barbershop or restaurant or whatever,

741
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: and if you're wearing a Marlins cap, it's almost like

742
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: you're you're not even part of the system. I was

743
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: eating at you know, we'll call it a shameless plug

744
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: at some place down in Miami, and I was sitting

745
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: there and.

746
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 2: I had my Marlins hat on.

747
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: I was enjoying, and I saw lunch with my mom

748
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: and you know, not very covertly, I could hear the

749
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: guys next to me being like, oh, I wonder if

750
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: that's the new logo.

751
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 2: I wonder if that's the new logo.

752
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: Maybe we should ask him, Like I mean, I could

753
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: hear them talking right and like, man, I can't even

754
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: name you one Marlins player right now. If I tried,

755
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: I couldn't out. And it's always the same narratives from

756
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: the individuals. And I think, especially you and I being

757
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 1: in the field that we are, and we could give

758
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: a long thesis on why that's the case. It's understandable

759
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: and why I grasp that the fans have turned their

760
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: back and they don't care if it's some of them

761
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: don't know if it's a new logo, or can't tell

762
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: you that Harold Damiraz like Fox Sports Vortage just that

763
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: has the most hits out of any Marlins player in

764
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: the first you know, fifty or so at Batch or

765
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: something to that extent, whatever the stat was. But it's

766
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: still frustrating for us, you know, it's still frustrating that

767
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 1: we have to be there, and that's it's a difficult situation.

768
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: So what do you tell what do you personally tell?

769
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: You know, your family members that are like, no, I

770
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: don't want to go to a Marlins game or I

771
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: don't understand what's happenings, what's your go to?

772
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 4: The first thing I will say is I try to

773
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 4: stay away from even discussing the minor league system. I think,

774
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 4: for a mark, I think if there are any you know,

775
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 4: baseball fans left right now, meaning us, in what's going

776
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 4: on right now in Miami, it would be very hard

777
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 4: to like try to get someone excited that doesn't even

778
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 4: want to go to a home game. That's what gonna

779
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 4: cost you ten bucks, right, and then you got the

780
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 4: three or five menu, you know, like it's not even

781
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 4: gonna cost you that much to go to a game.

782
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 4: But it's really hard to tell that person who doesn't

783
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 4: want to go in the first place that we have

784
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 4: a minor league system that's just completely stacked. It's nearly impossible.

785
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, you tell it, like, bro, you

786
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 4: know we got Isande's gone, Monte Harrison. They're gonna be like,

787
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 4: who oh, you know the guys we traded up for yelge,

788
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 4: Oh you mean the MVP. You know what I mean,

789
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 4: That's what's gonna end up happening. So I try to

790
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 4: stay away from the minor league system. One thing I

791
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 4: will try to emphasize on will be you know, Harold

792
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 4: ra mirror is. I think that what we have with

793
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 4: Harold right now is I think something that's very sustainable,

794
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 4: you know, hopefully God willing. And then you know, I

795
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 4: try my best to if we go out, you know,

796
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 4: like Friday nights, I always tell people are the best

797
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 4: times to go because you have the Friday Night Spectacular,

798
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 4: you know, Saturday nights, Yeah, Saturday nights, they Saturday nights.

799
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 4: You know, you have the fireworks I think are absolutely amazing.

800
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 4: Those fireworks are like amazing. I definitely go to those,

801
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 4: you know, I try my people to those. Party in

802
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 4: it back is also pretty fun sometimes, but yeah, it's

803
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 4: it's hard, and it's gonna be one of those things

804
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 4: where you know, it would have to be either a

805
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 4: really good deal or we're just gonna have to be

806
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 4: winning consistently, and that's not gonna happen, like at least

807
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 4: not this season, hopefully, I mean, unfortunately. But it's just

808
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 4: being patient and even if nobody else wants to go

809
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 4: with me, I'll just I'll go by myself, or I'll

810
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 4: invite my dad, who's will never say no. It a

811
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 4: free game, you know, there's always gonna be that one

812
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 4: person where hopefully you can invite and if not, you know,

813
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 4: hopefully one day there's something that we can do to

814
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 4: like get people together go to games, you know, kind

815
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 4: of like, ah, I don't know, I guess, let's who

816
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 4: wants to go to the game tonight, and then a

817
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 4: bunch of people will respond on a threat or something.

818
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Speaker 1: I don't know, right, No, yeah, And I'll say this,

819
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: it really is about getting them to the stadium, at

820
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: least in my experience. And I'm really not someone I'll

821
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: be honest, I'm not someone that goes to games to

822
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: be with a bunch of people. Like I want to

823
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: be with my wife and then whoever's closest to me,

824
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: and it's usually just my wife, Like I just want

825
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: to be with my wife and enjoy my wife's company

826
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: watching the beautiful game of baseball. However, if I were

827
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 1: someone who wanted to go and get out people, it's

828
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: really not that difficult to do. The second time around.

829
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: I have individuals on Twitter. I have individuals just in

830
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: my own you know, real life, non Twitter existence. I

831
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: guess that did not want to go the first time

832
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: this season, and if they go this season, they're excited

833
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: to go the next weekend, even if they lost nine

834
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 1: to zero, because there really is something about the stadium

835
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 1: this year, whether it's the concessions, whether it's just the atmosphere,

836
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: whether it's Friday nights and Saturday nights with the band

837
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: in the you know section committee that three zero five

838
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 1: people don't want. They're hesitant to go in the beginning,

839
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: and then when they go to fun experience. But I'm

840
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: with you. If you bring up Isan Diaz, You're right,

841
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 1: they're going to trigger word Christian Yelich. And then even

842
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: if Thesadia has becomes something, oh, when we're we going

843
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: to trade them? Right, it's the same narratives, and the

844
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: hope is that winning destroys that. And you touched on

845
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: this without even knowing what I spoke about in the

846
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: dialogue piece today was someone sent it in very sarcastically, right,

847
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: because I'm mister positive sent it in, Danny. Is there

848
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: anything you're worried about, right, like trying to bait me?

849
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: And there are things to be worried about. The one

850
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: that I spoke about most powerfully was the fact that

851
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure when they succeed, because I really

852
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: do they will I really believe they will succeed at

853
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: some point because of the rebuild and the pitching and

854
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: just how extensive the farm system.

855
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: Is right now.

856
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: But even if they do, I'm not so sure they

857
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: can get the trust back of the city. And I'm

858
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: not so certain that the Miami's going to come back

859
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: the way they are.

860
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: That's my worry. That's my worry.

861
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: Now. You said, if they win, which is something I've

862
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: also said before, Miami will show up because that's the

863
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: way Miami is.

864
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: Is there any part of you that shares that worry

865
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: that I have that.

866
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: Even if they don't, I mean, even if they win,

867
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: these people aren't coming back.

868
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: These people are pissed.

869
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: Or do you say no, Danny, this really is Miami.

870
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: I mean you've said it so yourself. If they win,

871
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: people will show up. Where do you stand on that?

872
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 4: So here's the thing I have seen. You know, like

873
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 4: you know, you go on Instagram, you go on Twitter.

874
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 4: People make jokes all the time about the Mardels attendance

875
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 4: to be per quickly. Honest. I mean, I'm not in

876
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 4: the business standpoint for the team. I'm more of a

877
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 4: just I just want a good product out on the field.

878
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 4: So I don't care if there's ten thousand fans. I

879
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 4: don't really care if there's twenty seven thousand fans. If

880
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 4: the Marlins give me a World Series and I say

881
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 4: give me as if I'm going to get one. But

882
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, if we.

883
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 2: Win a World Series, ring after, that's okay exactly.

884
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 4: Or I'll go to the state and giveaway. They'll probably

885
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 4: have one in a year or two. That's that's all

886
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 4: I'll care about, because I know, like you said, like

887
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 4: they're going to show up. I have no doubt in

888
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 4: my mind that if we go, you know, if we

889
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 4: win the World Series and we become the Astros, they're

890
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 4: going to show up. You know. You take a look

891
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 4: at Houston. They had no one, you know, back in

892
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 4: twenty eleven, twenty twelve. You know, I remember their Carlos

893
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 4: Correa signing in the first round. Like they didn't really

894
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 4: have fans back then. They had they had a pretty

895
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 4: cool team, and they had a rebuild coming up and

896
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 4: they had everything right. But you go to a Nationals

897
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 4: game now and that thing's back to the brim, you know.

898
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 4: And I would like to say that Texas as a

899
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 4: state is very similar to Florida. You know, so neither

900
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 4: one of us have a long record of wins, and

901
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 4: we both have pretty much the same fan bases. So

902
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 4: I do think that the fan base will show up

903
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 4: and that.

904
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: It will grow.

905
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 4: I do think also, though, that a lot of what

906
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 4: has to do with the lack of fans going to

907
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 4: the stadium is just the location. I can understand that

908
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 4: for a lot of people it is rather inconvenient, But

909
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 4: I do think that they will show up, And even

910
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 4: if they don't and the Marlins are winning championships, I

911
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 4: don't think I don't think that'll bother me.

912
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm with you.

913
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, Miami will

914
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: front run to a certain extent, and we're not part

915
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: of the marketing, so that's not something that we have

916
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 1: to worry about. If the on field product gets there,

917
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 1: is there any part of you, or rather I'll ask

918
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: it in a more open in a stance, what is

919
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: your expectation of the on field product? You know, the

920
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 1: question of well, when would we look at them competing again,

921
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: or what do we like about the current status of

922
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: the Marlins and current state of the Marlins and what

923
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 1: we don't like? What are your thoughts on that.

924
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 4: So I would say that, like you know, if you

925
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 4: were to ask me, like you know, just ageain, like

926
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 4: just like you mentioned it, I think I would say

927
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 4: it all depends on how aggressive we are in free

928
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 4: agency in the coming years. I think that we haven't.

929
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 4: We have a great system coming up, but at the

930
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 4: same time, you know, sometimes that doesn't translate over to

931
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 4: the major leagues and as unfortunate as that is. You

932
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 4: can take a look at Lewis Brinson, who I mean,

933
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 4: I understand the guy's young, but it's been as of

934
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 4: right now nothing short of a disappointment, you know, you

935
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 4: and it happens quite often and it's not fair to

936
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 4: you know, just assume that someone's going to be this great,

937
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 4: outstanding player, because you you really never know. You can

938
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 4: take a look at just other teams, the Braves with Swanson,

939
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 4: you know, even the Nationals with roblists. You know, there's

940
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 4: a there's a there's a learning curve to it, especially

941
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 4: with these young players, and you know, some people don't

942
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 4: hit their prime so like you know, way later into

943
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 4: their into their careers. So I do think that a

944
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 4: lot of it will have to do with what they

945
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 4: do in free agency. And also you know what ends

946
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 4: up happening with these uh you know, young players coming

947
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 4: up in the system. But honestly, I would say by

948
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two we should be, you know, if not

949
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 4: winning the division, you know, getting there and just you know,

950
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 4: ending the seasons above five hundred. I definitely think that

951
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 4: showing having what we have now. I think this team

952
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 4: was just a few more hitters could have been a

953
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 4: five hundred team because we have this, We have the

954
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 4: starting pitching, We have a pretty solid core with Cooper

955
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 4: and Ramirez, and you know, A'll Farrow, even even though

956
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 4: I know far probably isn't part of their future plans,

957
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 4: but that's of right now. I mean I can see

958
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 4: him being a stud in the team. He's going to be,

959
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 4: you know, a great player. So I would say, you're

960
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 4: around twenty twenty two, I think that's what I've been

961
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 4: telling people at least good.

962
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree right twenty twenty one, I think

963
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 1: that they start getting competitive. Twenty twenty two, Y're starting

964
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: to look at what could be a playoff team, and

965
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: you hit it. I mean the pitching, it's been phenomenal.

966
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 1: The pitching for as young as they are and as

967
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: unproven as they are, which is where the inconsistencies come

968
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: into play. They've been really great. You give this team

969
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: an average offense and you're looking at a five hundred

970
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: or around a five hundred squad, and the defense has

971
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: also improved a lot since the first week and two

972
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: week or so of what was happening with the over

973
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: shifting and whatever the case may be. I have kind

974
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: of one more question. Then we could take it wherever

975
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: you want. You know, a lot has always been made,

976
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: and I've wanted to get kind of a theme from

977
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: anyone that's come on of what they thought of the rebranding,

978
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: of what they've thought of. I know you said, you know,

979
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: we're not on the business side of it, but just

980
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 1: as a fan, your I guess assessment of the changes

981
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: the off field stuff that we've seen, whether it's just

982
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: the rebranding or the stadium or the kolodas, what was

983
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: your initial thought and how has it changed over the

984
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: last year.

985
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 4: So personally, I love the new uniforms, I love the

986
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 4: new colors. I love everything about what they've done. I mean,

987
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 4: the only thing I might might only complaint when it

988
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 4: comes to the rebrand is just the black unis. I

989
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 4: think the names on the back is just not visible enough.

990
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 4: I think they I'm sure they'll tweak it up eventually,

991
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 4: because I mean, it's something that everyone shares when you're

992
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 4: present at the game, and even on TV, you can't

993
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 4: really tell who's if you're a new fan and you're

994
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 4: just a person coming to a game, you're not gonna

995
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 4: know who's in right field. You're not gonna know anything

996
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 4: because it's it's literally just like a black shirt. I

997
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 4: do think and I and this might be, you know,

998
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 4: an unpopular opinion. I do feel like the rebrand was

999
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 4: done at a poor time. And the reason why I

1000
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,439
Speaker 4: say this was because I I feel like it would

1001
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 4: have been a much better rebrand if it would have

1002
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 4: been done when they were looking to be seriously competitive

1003
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 4: the way I see it, and this is just based off,

1004
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 4: you know, like what we were talking about when people

1005
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 4: say around us because we are a minority, you know,

1006
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 4: us fans like what's left, what's on Marlin's Twitter and

1007
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 4: can have these debates and knows about the minor leg system.

1008
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 4: We're a minority, or maybe we're a majority given how

1009
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 4: many people actually go to the games, but I would

1010
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 4: say we're probably a minority. I think everyone kind of

1011
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 4: saw the rebrand. It's just kind of like, well, I mean,

1012
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 4: that's cool, new colors, but you guys aren't winning, right,

1013
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 4: you know. And I think it would have been a lot,

1014
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 4: I guess more beneficial had they had done this, maybe

1015
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 4: at twenty twenty one, maybe next year when you have

1016
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 4: you know, Monta Harrison is Sondia's batting and coming into

1017
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 4: these lineups. But I mean, at the same time, it

1018
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 4: doesn't really matter, like it's it's going to be around forever.

1019
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 4: But that's my only guess, my only gripe with this rebranding.

1020
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 4: I think it was maybe a little bit too premature.

1021
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 4: But again, I guess it's my opinion. I know it's

1022
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 4: probably not a very popular one, but that's how.

1023
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 2: I think that's a really good opinion.

1024
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 1: Actually, I think that's a really interesting perspective because, yeah,

1025
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 1: it almost feels like a carryover where if you would

1026
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 1: have done it this next year or a year after,

1027
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: it is a true rebrand baseball ops and business side.

1028
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: So like you mentioned, oh well, now here's Monte Harrison

1029
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: and it's a new chapter. Here's Easandias and it's a

1030
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 1: new chapter. Here's our new colors with our new players

1031
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: that are going to be competitive instead of in year

1032
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: two of a rebuild where we're still not going to

1033
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: be competitive. But hey, look we look a lot better losing.

1034
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: Like I get your perspective. I think the jealous, like

1035
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 1: the envious fanom me would have still wanted the stuff

1036
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: to come out early. And that's just premature thinking or

1037
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: like elementary thinking actually, but.

1038
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you.

1039
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: I think that it would have been a nice It

1040
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: would have been a clean break, I guess is where

1041
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: I'm getting at. If they would have done it this

1042
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: upcoming year the following where both sides are on the

1043
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: same time, like the business is ready to have a

1044
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: clean break and the baseball side is ready to come up.

1045
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 2: All right, brother, So.

1046
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,919
Speaker 1: I will just let you let the people know where

1047
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: you know they can find you, or if they if

1048
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: they want to follow you on Twitter, whatever the case is.

1049
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: And now I'll let you get back to this beautiful

1050
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 1: Sunday that we have here, all right.

1051
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean I'm on Twitter. You guys are

1052
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 4: probably see me pretty I'm pretty active on there.

1053
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

1054
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 4: My Twitter handle is Jolligator. I'm usually talking about whatever

1055
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 4: the game's going on. Any moves made or I will

1056
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 4: be the show nineteen, which is like another big passion

1057
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 4: of mine is video games. Thank you Danny so much,

1058
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 4: and I want to say thank you to all the

1059
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 4: members Fish Stripes. You guys have given most of us

1060
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 4: a voice and an avenue to go look at you know,

1061
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 4: and vent our frustrations and see what's good to come

1062
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 4: and what we have looking forward into the future of

1063
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 4: this team. And it's definitely something that a lot of

1064
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 4: us fans, you know, definitely struggle with it having anything

1065
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 4: positive to talk about with someone aside from, you know,

1066
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 4: just what the game at hand. So I really appreciate

1067
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 4: you and all your coworkers and all the writers at

1068
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 4: Fish Stripes for what you guys have been doing.

1069
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 2: Thank you for the fans. I appreciate that. Man, you

1070
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 2: put a smile on my face most definitely, all right, Ed,

1071
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 2: I will see you.

1072
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 1: Thank you again for coming on men and as always,

1073
00:52:51,440 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: go Fish Go Fish. Another sincere thank you to Ed

1074
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: for joining us. You were awesome, and I mean just

1075
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: the perspective. I really think that at the end of

1076
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: the day, individuals that heard this from the beginning to

1077
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: the end on today's episode can truly understand that concept

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Speaker 1: does look like it'll start taking place eventually, the fans

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Speaker 1: were twenty one and forty something, and I appreciate you

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Speaker 1: coming on all right, another Happy Father's Day twelve of

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Speaker 1: enjoy your week and I hope you enjoyed this episode.

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Speaker 1: As always, I will always ask for you to like

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Speaker 1: do a great job at really identifying things throughout the system,

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Speaker 1: across the minor league system. Give us your feedback, continue

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Speaker 1: what we give back to you.

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Speaker 2: Go Fish