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Speaker 1: consensus is Monty did very well. The Cardinals are a

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Speaker 1: Cover two, Episode seven fifty three, and it starts now.

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Speaker 3: Poda Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: up to the draft. During the draft late Friday, late Saturday,

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Speaker 4: Anything mel Kiper says, since he's the one that was

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Speaker 4: if they do decide to keep Darius Robinson in that room,

436
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,000
Speaker 4: it wouldn't surprise me if you possibly start rotating a

437
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,879
Speaker 4: little bit more between between Darius and Xavion Collins and

438
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 4: then Bjojlari and Dennis Gardck. And now you have Xavier

439
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 4: Thomas in the mix as well, because he is an

440
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,439
Speaker 4: edge rusher that could also get to the quarterback. Curious

441
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:55,880
Speaker 4: I kind of keep him there on the outside.

442
00:21:55,960 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 1: Curious how much Darius was in a three points he

443
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 1: was listed as a defensive and how many times he

444
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 1: stood up and rushed the quarterback at Missouri and that

445
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 1: skill set, because at six five, two eighty five, you

446
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 1: know listed as a defensive end. I'm fully inexpecting Nick

447
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 1: Rowlins in this defense to show more for man fronts

448
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 1: as opposed to what we saw a year ago, because

449
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,879
Speaker 1: that's what free agency told us, that's what the draft

450
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 1: has told us. And according to reports, they're adding another

451
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,880
Speaker 1: defensive tackle in Miles Murphy out of North Carolina. We'll

452
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Speaker 1: see if that becomes official here in the coming days

453
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Speaker 1: or maybe next week when rookie mini caamp begins. But

454
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Speaker 1: I'm I had not thought about Darius Robinson as with

455
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 1: rob Rodriguez as far as an outside linebacker. But that

456
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 1: versatility is he is he down on the ground or

457
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 1: is he standing up?

458
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Speaker 3: Yeah? He was so.

459
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Speaker 4: I mean from what I've seen watching film, he has

460
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 4: done both. He has been able to drop back into

461
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 4: covered Now, he didn't do it as much because of

462
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,639
Speaker 4: Missouri's style, but he's because he was really much a

463
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 4: downhill I'm gonna try to get to the quarterback stop

464
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 4: to run in whatever way I can. But he was

465
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,719
Speaker 4: able to step back into coverage if needed. Zone coverage.

466
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 4: He wasn't necessarily playing as much man defense. That's when

467
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 4: he was kind of had the hand in the dirt

468
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 4: getting ready to go to the quarterback. But I think

469
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 4: he's got he's got that skill set. I truthfully think so.

470
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,119
Speaker 4: He's a six technique so he could be so he

471
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 4: will mostly be over the tight end. That's what he

472
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 4: did at Missouri. Will that make Will that translate to

473
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 4: the NFL? Well, the tight ends are a lot bigger

474
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 4: in the NFL, So I'm not fully sure. But we

475
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 4: saw Darius Robinson walking on the facility. He's a big dude.

476
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Speaker 4: He is six five, He's huge.

477
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Speaker 1: He he when he walks in a room, people notice,

478
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: oh yeah, and that is that is a big individual,

479
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: very nice individual and knows exactly what he wants and

480
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 1: what it takes to get there. And I think you're

481
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: gonna see no one work harder than a Darius Rotmins.

482
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Speaker 4: And that's why I think that if they do decide

483
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 4: to say, hey, we want you to have a little

484
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 4: bit more of that outside linebacker role, not as much

485
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 4: that defensive end edge. We want you to be a

486
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 4: little bit more on the outside. If that is the case,

487
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 4: I think he's going to be the perfect type of

488
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 4: player to be up for the challenge. Now, I do

489
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 4: think that if you do put him on the outside,

490
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 4: you kind of lose that. I don't want to say

491
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 4: you lose, but it limits that violence that he does

492
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 4: play with the inside hand usage that he was talking

493
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 4: to us about him being a technician as he was

494
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 4: self proclaimed himself to be. That's when you would want

495
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 4: to have him there on the inside.

496
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Speaker 1: We'll see what happens, and again we'll get our first

497
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 1: look during rookie mini camp next week, not later this week,

498
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 1: but a week from this coming Friday. The overall GPA

499
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 1: and I can't remember you forwarded me, but someone actually

500
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 1: went through these grades, twenty different grades and the overall

501
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: GPA three point six y one. Now I'm guessing, Zach

502
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: at Penn State or maybe even in high school, did

503
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: you reach that three point six y one threshold? Did

504
00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 1: you outdo the Arizona Cardinals Based off the answer right there,

505
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess no, the Arizona Cardinals were more successful

506
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 1: with their report card than Zach Gershman was.

507
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 4: Once again, we're all in the NFL, that's true, we're

508
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 4: all on the same we made it.

509
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 3: We made it. Still.

510
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 4: Look, I had a three point something one. That's good,

511
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 4: so I was close. Okay, just might now have to

512
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 4: knock get a few spots passero point six.

513
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 1: Okay, so judging of talent money off the three. Hey,

514
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 1: that's all again. As you mentioned, we're both here at

515
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: the same spot. We made it, Yes, we made it.

516
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 3: We made it. Now.

517
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 4: Look, I might not have the two degrees that that

518
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 4: Darius Robinson has, but hey, I got a degree, and

519
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 4: I got a certificate in sports journalist John Curly Center

520
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 4: of Sports Journals, and the.

521
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: Master's degree that Xavier Thomas has, and all these guys

522
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: coming in that just are not making me or anyone

523
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: us looking very very good at this point.

524
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 4: I mean look good, good for them, exactly, good for them,

525
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 4: and good for their academic advisors because those are kind

526
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 4: of the unsung heroes when you get to college. You

527
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 4: got to keep these guys level headed, and you got

528
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 4: to make sure that they're still focused on school while

529
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 4: ball still being a thing. So shout out to those

530
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 4: people because now they get to impress you and I

531
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 4: by being masters students.

532
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 1: Some other thoughts around about the Cardinals. Now, these are

533
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: coming from Friday. So after day one and day two,

534
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: field Yates on ESPN posted Manti Austin Ford is smashing

535
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: this draft. What a haul for the Cardinals.

536
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 3: Already.

537
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 1: Again, that was after the third round. So on Friday

538
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: night Chris Sims Pro Football Talk, Damn, the Cardinals and

539
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: GM Monty assen Ford are killing the draft. Three great

540
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: players so far and no question, one of the best

541
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: shut down dB excuse me, shut down CB's in the

542
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 1: draft in Max Melton. Melton can match up with the

543
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 1: NFL elite number ones. He is an Island CB. Again,

544
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 1: you talk about Chris Simms, he does have some interesting

545
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: takes when it comes to the quarterback position, but he

546
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: has played the game and knows the cornerback position based

547
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 1: off of trying to beat the cornerback.

548
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 4: Terry on Arnold went twenty four.

549
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 3: I believe it was to the He was the second

550
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 3: cornerbacks selected. Well.

551
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 4: Chris Simms had him going to the Cardinals in his

552
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 4: final mock draft at twenty seven, and some of the

553
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 4: comments were, what are you thinking Terry on Arnold's going

554
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 4: to go in the top fifteen, top seventeen. It seems

555
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 4: like Chris Simms knew something that some of us didn't,

556
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 4: by the way that the cornerbacks are sliding. I mean,

557
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 4: fourteen straight selections of offensive players, the most amount of

558
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 4: offensive players selected in the first round. I believe in

559
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 4: history it was impressive to see, and the Cardinals contributed

560
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 4: to that with by adding Marvin Harrison junior there at

561
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 4: number four. But yes, I don't think there's a way

562
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 4: to dispute it. Monte austen Ford truly did a fantastic

563
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 4: job this draft. And when you have twelve players, when

564
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 4: you have twelve selections, you don't necessarily have as much

565
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 4: room for ud undrafted rookies that you're able to sign

566
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 4: undrafted free agents. But hey, I think though that first

567
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 4: couple of rounds, these are all players that could make

568
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 4: an impact in the beginning half of the season. And

569
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 4: then there's a lot of players those Day three guys,

570
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 4: the Christian Jones that really could have learned from a

571
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 4: Jonah Williams and a Parish Johnson junior out there.

572
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: Speaking of Day three guys, I found this interest in

573
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: Jim Naggy, executive director of the Senior Bowl. He posted

574
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: this keepers at the end of the draft. Okay, I've

575
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: posted three Draft week sleepers over the past two years,

576
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: and the Cardinals have picked all of them, almost like

577
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: Manti and I worked together at one point they did

578
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: with the Patriots. But his sleepers a year ago, Michael

579
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 1: Wilson this year, Isaiah Adams and Elijah Jones. And you

580
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: talk about someone Adams who probably would fit in at

581
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: that left guard spot, and Jones, who's going to compete

582
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: as far as being one of those cornerbacks. But two

583
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: positions that won. You can never have enough dbs. And

584
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: then the offensive line, no idea how that's going to

585
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: shake out, especially on that left side as far as

586
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: the guard and who's lining up next to well, lining

587
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: up to either Jonah Williams or Paris Johnson, that.

588
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 4: Entire offensive line could completely change. That's the fantastic That's

589
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 4: the most interesting part I think going into the season

590
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 4: is what is that offensive line rotation actually going to be?

591
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 4: Because I think now you could kind of say, because

592
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 4: the Cardinals did not really bring in the center beyond

593
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 4: Evan Brown, who played a little bit of center when

594
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 4: he was with the Seahawks. Beyond him, yelled defro Hold

595
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 4: is kind of the guy John Gains. You're kind of

596
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 4: assuming he's going to be a little bit more that

597
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 4: guard rotation. He has the ability to play center, but

598
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 4: beyond that, unless you were bringing in a Jackson Powers

599
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 4: Johnson who was a true center at Oregon that was

600
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 4: potentially going to switch to guard or Zach Frasier because

601
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 4: the Cardinals didn't bring him in. I kind of believe

602
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 4: that Yell defro Hold is going to remain as that

603
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 4: starting center. Outside of that, who knows what it could be.

604
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 4: Will Hernandez could be moved from the right side to

605
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 4: the left side. Maybe if Paris Johnson's also moved over

606
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 4: from the right to the left, then you might want

607
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 4: to move Will over just because of their chemistry and

608
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 4: their connection of playing next to one another there on

609
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 4: that right side of the line. But correct who knows

610
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 4: that entire line could switch up.

611
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: By the way, Adams six ' four three point fifteen

612
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: most of his career at Illinois at guard fourteen starts.

613
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: He's got twenty five starts overall. But you talk about

614
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: the post season All Star Games and him part of

615
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: the East West Shrine Game and the Senior Bowl, and

616
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: treat me the Senior Bowl specifically, he worked with Chris Cook,

617
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: Cardinals assistant line coach, who was the offensive line coach

618
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: for the national team at the Senior Bowl. And that's

619
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: extra intel that the Cardinals had over another team and

620
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: why they thought Adams was good enough to be the

621
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: seventy first overall selection.

622
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,479
Speaker 4: I asked Isaiah and the post draft after he got selected,

623
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 4: we had a conference call with him and I asked

624
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 4: him about working with coach Cook and he said to me,

625
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 4: he got to learn how I work and why I

626
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 4: work the way I work. And because of that, all

627
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 4: these players, most of them, they have a drive, They

628
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 4: have their why they play the game, and it eliminates

629
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 4: a lot of the zoom calls that Monty Austin Ford

630
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 4: said that they didn't need to have because you got

631
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 4: to figure out their why by having hands on training

632
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 4: with them that they were able to bring back. I

633
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 4: mean Drew Terrell, as an offensive coordinator in the Shrine Bowl,

634
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 4: was able the East West game, was able to come

635
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 4: back and say I coached up these players. I put

636
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 4: him in meeting rooms, We tried these installs. We put

637
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 4: them in we saw how they reacted to them, not

638
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 4: just in the meeting room, but in the practices. And

639
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 4: then once the game actually took place, there's no better

640
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 4: experience than actually throwing somebody into the fire. And when

641
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 4: I asked going back to Christian Jones, because I think

642
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 4: he's the most interesting prospect out of everybody we brought in,

643
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 4: maybe behind Tip Ryman, I would say, because of the

644
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 4: fact that he did not take a set until his

645
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 4: freshman year. But when I asked Monty about that experience,

646
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 4: he said, when you go to these Shrine Bowls, the

647
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 4: senior Bulls, they put you in different positions that you

648
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 4: don't normally do, just to see how you respond to them.

649
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 4: Isaiah Adams responded, well, to them, Christian Jones did, and

650
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 4: a handful of others did, and that's why they're Arizona Cardinals.

651
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: So for you, will you talk about someone that you're

652
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: gonna maybe keep a closer eye on more than others

653
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Speaker 1: when you're talking about this draft class, not Marvin Harrison junior,

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Speaker 1: not Darius Robinson someone on day three, you're looking at

655
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Speaker 1: the offensive tackle. You want to see what Christian Jones

656
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Speaker 1: can do?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent, because I think so. His story

658
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,239
Speaker 4: he was all basketball, never played any football till he

659
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Speaker 4: was like sixteen, and then ultimately ran into the coach

660
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Speaker 4: in the hallway and said, all right, he had the

661
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Speaker 4: dream of playing soccer and everything, like all these different sports,

662
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Speaker 4: and then he said, all right, I'm gonna do it.

663
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna play football. And he and he was a

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Speaker 4: defensive end primarily in high school, and then he got

665
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Speaker 4: to Texas and they put him at offensive tackle. He

666
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Speaker 4: did not practice that offensive tackle until he got to college.

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Speaker 4: And to see him be a four year starter in

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Speaker 4: a two time honorable mention All Big Twelve and to

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Speaker 4: put up the type of numbers that he did was

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Speaker 4: I believe it was only a two point six percent

671
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Speaker 4: quarterback pressure rate allowed according to PFF, so he's been

672
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Speaker 4: able to stand up in And also, Texas had the

673
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 4: number one running back in the draft in Jonathan Brooks.

674
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Speaker 4: Cardinals got one of the next best in Trey Benson.

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Speaker 4: But Jonathan Brooks ran for over one thousand yards. The

676
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Speaker 4: Cardinals have a thousand yard rusher and James Connor, so

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Speaker 4: Christian Jones knows what he needs to do to get

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Speaker 4: his running back help him get free.

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Speaker 1: Most of Jones's experience is at right tackle. He did

680
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Speaker 1: have twelve starts at left tackle in twenty twenty one,

681
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Speaker 1: but you're talking about PFF grades. He allowed the fewest

682
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Speaker 1: quarterback pressures over his last two seasons and the fourth

683
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Speaker 1: lowest quarterback pressure rates among tackles since twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: and another one of these prospects that has a masters

685
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Speaker 1: and Jones has a masters in sports management. So one

686
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Speaker 1: study hard to perform well on the football field. Three

687
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Speaker 1: come out and competes and perhaps maybe not enter the

688
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Speaker 1: mix as far as he star order, but swing tackle

689
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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, are you active on game

690
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Speaker 1: day to be that emergency or hey, something just happened.

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Speaker 1: We need a quick We need someone to come in

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Speaker 1: for a snap or two or a series or two

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Speaker 1: at a tackle's position.

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Speaker 4: And as much as I believe he's going to be

695
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Speaker 4: learning from a Paris Johnson Junior and a Jonah Williams,

696
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 4: which he will, he's got Kelvin Beacham in that room.

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Speaker 4: Also as a swing tackle. There's not many pros that

698
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 4: are better than Kelvin Beachum on a personal level and

699
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Speaker 4: on a professional level, and as well with on the

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Speaker 4: grid iron, somebody that could kind of turn on that

701
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 4: mean streak a little bit and be a dominant lineman.

702
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Speaker 4: So Kelvin Beacham is one of those teachers. He helped

703
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Speaker 4: Paris Johnson Junior out a ton as a DJ Humphries

704
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Speaker 4: now the DJ's out. Kelvin Beachum is kind of the

705
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Speaker 4: veteran in that room because of his experience, Christian Jones

706
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Speaker 4: is gonna have a lot to learn from those guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No better teacher at offensive line than Kelvin Beacham who's

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Speaker 1: done that and continues to do what we saw it

710
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Speaker 1: late last season, come in and play well when DJ

711
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Speaker 1: it was unable to. So, yeah, it's it's this draft

712
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Speaker 1: class again. Well, there's a lot of time between now

713
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Speaker 1: and training camp and preseason games to see these guys.

714
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Speaker 1: But we're gonna be talking a lot about these prospects

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Speaker 1: over the next several days and weeks to come. But again,

716
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: on paper, things look good. Now it's doesn't look good

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Speaker 1: on the football field.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think that's where I think sometimes

719
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Speaker 4: people are and sometimes and I understand this, people just

720
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Speaker 4: look at what is on paper and once you translate

721
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Speaker 4: it chemistry and connection. I think having Isaiah Adams and

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Speaker 4: Tip Ryman two ALIGNI teammates, the way that they called

723
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Speaker 4: each other, the fact that they were so excited to

724
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Speaker 4: play with them with one another, there's a sense of

725
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Speaker 4: comfort when you come into a whole new system. You

726
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Speaker 4: just fulfilled your dream. You just got to call from

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Speaker 4: Anti Austin for it that you're an Arizona Cardinal. That's fantastic.

728
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Speaker 4: Now you've got to move across the country or wherever

729
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Speaker 4: you're moving from, and you know, live an entirely new

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Speaker 4: life as a professional. You don't have to worry abou

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Speaker 4: classes anymore. Even though it didn't seem like that was

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Speaker 4: a problem.

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Speaker 1: For a lot of these guys, I don't think any

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Speaker 1: of them had a problem.

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Speaker 4: With these master's degrees and everything. But now you're pros

736
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Speaker 4: and with that comes a whole other level of pressure.

737
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Speaker 4: So on paper, yes, some things might look one way

738
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Speaker 4: or another, but there's also that human element of it,

739
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Speaker 4: and coming in with a teammate or for a lot

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Speaker 4: of these guys potentially knowing somebody, it helps. I mean,

741
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Speaker 4: Trey Benson even said he didn't really know anybody except

742
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Speaker 4: he met Michael Carter a few months ago. And after

743
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Speaker 4: he met Michael Carter a few months ago, the two

744
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 4: of them quicked. He called him one of the best

745
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Speaker 4: human beings he's ever met his entire life. And now

746
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Speaker 4: those two are going to be sharing a room together.

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Speaker 1: I believe it was in Tampa where they hooked up

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Speaker 1: and started working out together. By the way, five of

749
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Speaker 1: these draft picks six years of college experience Isaiah Adams,

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Speaker 1: Elijah Jones, Xavier Thomas, Christian Jones, and Tayshon Palmer so

751
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Speaker 1: and they made the most of their time in college.

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Speaker 3: So again a.

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Speaker 1: Credit to them and a credit to everyone that has

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Speaker 1: put them in position here. And we'll see it for

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Speaker 1: the first time at Rookie Mini Camp one week from Friday.

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Speaker 4: I'm excited for it all. I'm excited for it all.

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Speaker 4: I'm excited for these guys to get into the facility.

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Speaker 4: Side note, did you share the tip Ryman story with

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Speaker 4: what happened in the media room? So you might not

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Speaker 4: even know the story.

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Speaker 1: I do not know this tip Ryman. Okay, so I

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Speaker 1: do remember I did. Yes, we didn't share it. But

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Speaker 1: I know where you're going, so enlightening the bird gags.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna lighten the bird game. First of all, Tip

765
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 4: Ryman doesn't believe in birds, so that's a whole conversation.

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Speaker 4: That's gonna be a whole other thing. I'm gonna pull

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Speaker 4: back the current a little bit as to what the

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Speaker 4: media does during the draft. We all sit in the

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Speaker 4: media room where the press conferences are held. We have

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Speaker 4: the TV going on there, we find out the news

771
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Speaker 4: just like everybody else. When it pops up on the screen,

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Speaker 4: When it pops up on the ticker, this player was selected,

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Speaker 4: we right away have to turn everything around. That is

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Speaker 4: why our content team kind of bringing it back to

775
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 4: how we started this off. That's why our content team

776
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 4: is so good at what they do with how quickly

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Speaker 4: they were able to turn some of these things around.

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Speaker 4: After the player gets drafted, you have a conference call

779
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 4: with them about twenty thirty minutes after they get drafted.

780
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 4: They have time to hug everybody in their family, and

781
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 4: then who better to speak to next than to us

782
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 4: the of course. Anyway, so we're all standing around this

783
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Speaker 4: conference center phone and we're talking. We're asking these questions. Tip,

784
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 4: you just got the news, You're excited, are you? You're

785
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 4: with Isaiah all these great things. And then we said thanks, Tip,

786
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 4: have a go one and we all walked back to

787
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Speaker 4: our stations CREG. About five minutes later, it's silent in

788
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Speaker 4: the room. It's like the voice of God just goes,

789
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 4: do I need to stay on this thing? Tip Ryman

790
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 4: never hung up the phone because he wanted to know

791
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Speaker 4: if we had any more questions for him, So he

792
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 4: literally We're like, Tip, no, you could go, man, Like,

793
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Speaker 4: you don't have to, you don't have to stay on

794
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 4: the phone. He's like, say, I don't know if you

795
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 4: guys want to ask me any more questions, Like I'm sticky.

796
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 4: You could ask me whatever you guys want to know, Like,

797
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 4: I'm so pumped right now. I just think that's the

798
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Speaker 4: that's the human element of it talk. Going back to

799
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Speaker 4: what we were talking about a few minutes ago. These

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Speaker 4: guys are fulfilling their dream that they've worked their entire

801
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 4: lives for the media. Part of it is a part

802
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 4: of joining to the NFL. You have a lot more

803
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 4: media that's gonna be covering your games then you're.

804
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Speaker 3: Typically used to.

805
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Speaker 4: And to see Tip be so happy to just stay

806
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Speaker 4: on the phone and completely ignore the fact that it

807
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Speaker 4: was just silent.

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Speaker 3: He didn't think the hang up.

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Speaker 4: It was one of the most incredible moments, a top

810
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Speaker 4: draft moment for me personally.

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Speaker 1: Selfishly, I hope he remains that open and willing to

812
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Speaker 1: speak to the media as he continues his NFL career.

813
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: I like the availability of players. Selfishly, of course.

814
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Speaker 4: If he is going to stay after and just say no,

815
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Speaker 4: bring it on, man, We're gonna bring it on.

816
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Speaker 1: We'll see where tip Rieman fits within that Tide end room.

817
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: We'll see what these players and how they assimilates when

818
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Speaker 1: they actually get here for rookie mini camp. And this

819
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Speaker 1: week we will have a chance to hear from offensive

820
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Speaker 1: coordinator Drew Petsing and defensive coordinator Nick Rolis get their

821
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Speaker 1: thoughts on these draft picks as well, you know, the

822
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Speaker 1: orescided and maybe Petsing a little bit more excited based

823
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Speaker 1: off what the Cardinals did, especially with that fourth overall

824
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Speaker 1: pick and Marvin Harrison Junior. But we'll get to that

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Speaker 1: a little bit later on this week.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I would arguably put yes, Marvin Harrison Junior

827
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Speaker 4: is Marvin Harrison junior, and that opens up the offense

828
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Speaker 4: in an entirely different way. It opens up the offense

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Speaker 4: for a trade McBride to break free from this double

830
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Speaker 4: coverage because now a lot of attentions are going to

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Speaker 4: be focused on the outside or even on the slot,

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Speaker 4: depending on where you put Marvin Harrison. But we talked

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Speaker 4: about the violence, and we talked about taking away the football.

834
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Speaker 4: The cornerbacks that the Cardinals brought in, Elijah Jones, Max Mountain,

835
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Speaker 4: Jenney Davis. These cornerbacks, their takeaway kings at their schools.

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Speaker 1: And that is something that this Cardinals defense, especially that

837
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Speaker 1: secondary needs, is being able to take away the football.

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Speaker 1: Didn't force as many interceptions I'm sure Nick Rolis or

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Gannon wanted last season.

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Speaker 4: No, not at all, and I think that was a

841
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Speaker 4: big part of it. They addressed the once you want

842
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Speaker 4: to have takeaway kings that the system, you need takeaway

843
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 4: kings that fit the system, and they got those, and

844
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Speaker 4: I think in a guy like Elijah Jones, Jonathan gan

845
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 4: And shared the story of how he was trying to

846
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 4: record the he was getting right to show the film.

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Speaker 4: They were going to break it down at the combine

848
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Speaker 4: and just by looking at the eastpring just to still shot,

849
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Speaker 4: Elijah Jones knew exactly what the play was, broke it down,

850
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 4: explained his whole philosophy, and Jonathan again and gave Manti

851
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 4: Austin for it that look and said, whoa, Now you

852
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 4: get to have that in your own locker room.

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Speaker 1: That attention to detail reminded them of Garrett Williams, who

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals selected a year ago.

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Speaker 3: So we'll see what.

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Speaker 1: Happens this year for these draft picks. Good stuff, Zach

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Speaker 1: and again congratulations, you got through your first NFL draft.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not calling him out. I'm still a rookie

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Speaker 4: until training camp begins, and then I could say, all right,

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Speaker 4: my first season's done because I completed everything.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we'll still treat you as a rookie.

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Speaker 4: I think I'm going to be treated as a rookie

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Speaker 4: for the next however many years.

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Speaker 3: You got that, right, I know what I do.

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Speaker 1: On that note, we will put a lid on this

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Speaker 1: edition of Cardinals Cover two, presented by Hyundai, probably partner

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our

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