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<v Speaker 1>I'm Tamika d.

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<v Speaker 2>Mallory and the ship Boy my Son in general.

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<v Speaker 1>We are your host of TM I.

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<v Speaker 2>Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, motivation and inspiration.

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<v Speaker 1>Name new Energy. What's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>My son lennon long weekend?

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm here long no long week.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the weekend seemed like it was the whole week.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a lot going on.

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<v Speaker 3>But at least spring it's trying to fight. Fighting day

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<v Speaker 3>I needed and I you know, I didn't. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't get to go outside that day until the

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<v Speaker 3>sun came down. Well because I was dealing with Target

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<v Speaker 3>all day, all day long, so I never got a

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<v Speaker 3>chance to get up from my computer the whole entire day.

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<v Speaker 3>On the eighty degree day, I went out with you know,

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<v Speaker 3>She's Canvas but MS Diddy forever to us for us.

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<v Speaker 1>We went out to eat at like eight, That's what.

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<v Speaker 2>It was. It was really beautiful shop.

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<v Speaker 1>It was nice at night time.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I went like Easter shopping for the kids and

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<v Speaker 2>brought them some clothes and stuff. Resurrections Resurrection Sunday, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because people so listen, I don't really, I'm not really

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<v Speaker 2>for the holidays and all that. You know, I try

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<v Speaker 2>to stay away from holidays, but there's a certain feeling

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<v Speaker 2>during certain days, whether we call them holidays.

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<v Speaker 1>East outfit, Yeah, but you got to get.

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<v Speaker 2>You an Eastern outfit. Like if you're from the hood,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that that Eastern outfit is paramount. You got

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<v Speaker 2>to get you a good Eastern outfit, and you've got

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<v Speaker 2>to go outside.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta, like I gotta go somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>God too, because I remember, I swear to I remember,

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<v Speaker 2>like my mother, we didn't have much, but she knew

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<v Speaker 2>that we had to have an Eastern outfit.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm telling you, that's to give me. She's to

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<v Speaker 3>give me one hundred dollars. And now you know I

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<v Speaker 3>lived in Manhattanville and Harlem, so she gave me one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred dollars. My homegirl, who lived in thirty three thirty three,

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<v Speaker 3>which was right behind Manhattanville.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you see it, You see the area.

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<v Speaker 3>Anybody who lived in these places knows exactly what I'm

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<v Speaker 3>talking about. And she and I used to meet on

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<v Speaker 3>the corner. We had our hundred dollars in our pockets

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<v Speaker 3>and we had to go to one twenty fifth Street

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<v Speaker 3>and go up and down until we found a pair

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<v Speaker 3>of sneakers, which was usually a new pair of fifty

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<v Speaker 3>four elevens, and then you had forty dollars and some

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<v Speaker 3>change to get you a pair of jeans, a little

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<v Speaker 3>shirt or something.

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<v Speaker 1>But you was getting you an east outh.

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<v Speaker 4>Go.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to get you an east out and.

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<v Speaker 1>You had to sit in the hairstyle in the hair

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<v Speaker 1>salon all damn day.

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<v Speaker 3>It was, it was, it was. It was Friday night.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen to get the doobie. Friday night when my mother

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<v Speaker 3>got off work. Because now my dad, my dad paid

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<v Speaker 3>the bills right, and he might I don't know what

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<v Speaker 3>did what him and my mama business was, but I

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<v Speaker 3>do know that he paid the bills, and my mother's

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<v Speaker 3>paycheck was used for hair bowls and going, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>out and get your little stuff and your things, stuff

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<v Speaker 3>that he don't be knowing about, don't need, didn't know about,

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<v Speaker 3>and he ain't involved with. So Friday night she get

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<v Speaker 3>her check, she would have me meet her at the

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<v Speaker 3>hair salon to get my dubie. It was down on

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<v Speaker 3>one twenty fifth Street to a guy named Roy used

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<v Speaker 3>to hook me up.

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<v Speaker 1>Roy was a crackhead also so Roy used.

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<v Speaker 2>To Roy crack has been multi purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>He used to do good head, but he was there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, they did mechanics. They was, you know, a crackhead.

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<v Speaker 2>This one I'm trying to crack fucked us up because

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<v Speaker 2>it was so skilled, a real and you just didn't

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<v Speaker 2>You would just see them in this crackish mold. But

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<v Speaker 2>they were so skilled and it was beyond skilled, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what.

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<v Speaker 3>And let me correct myself. I shouldn't call him a crackhead.

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<v Speaker 3>He was a drug add he was addicted, but at

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<v Speaker 3>the time it was a crackhead because he would like

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<v Speaker 3>beat there. He was good and then all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 3>everybody be gonna where is Roy.

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<v Speaker 1>But he knew that. He knew Easter though he.

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<v Speaker 2>Was because he needed to get the money. That's his

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<v Speaker 2>money for that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Working for Easter brouh. He did what he had to do.

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<v Speaker 3>So anyway, we go get our outfit and then on

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<v Speaker 3>Sunday you got.

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<v Speaker 1>To go somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>That's usually we did. We did the movie, so we

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<v Speaker 2>just will be in Halem just rooming around. But you

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<v Speaker 2>had to you had to go and get your outfit.

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<v Speaker 1>But my parents never let us think Easter was an Easter.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they'd be like this ain't this is just a

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<v Speaker 3>day for us to do something that we do.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what we did when I shopped and it was

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<v Speaker 2>hot in all the stores, and then went to a

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<v Speaker 2>baby shower, enjoyed that and the kids enjoy you know,

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<v Speaker 2>kids like and then I was exhausted. And then next

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<v Speaker 2>day we went to some game room, dope game room,

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<v Speaker 2>and the kids enjoyed theirself with that, and then we

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<v Speaker 2>had a batch and I was exhausted again.

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<v Speaker 3>The same same I hosted. My my granddaughter was in town.

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<v Speaker 3>We went to church with her her cousin and they're

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<v Speaker 3>both two and three years old. So I was saying

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<v Speaker 3>that I spent a lot of time talking about I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>dealing with Target all week. You know a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people saw that last week, you know, things kind of

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<v Speaker 3>it just was like all of a sudden, all this

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<v Speaker 3>stuff got in the media because it was announced that

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<v Speaker 3>Reverend Sharpton was having a meeting with the Target executives

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<v Speaker 3>now and then so and there were people who were

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<v Speaker 3>upset because they were like, well, where's Jamal Bryant and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and then people were tagging and saying where's

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<v Speaker 3>Tamika Mallory And of course Nina Turner, who leads we

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<v Speaker 3>are somebody and until freedom was a part of it.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you have folks saying, where are the people

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<v Speaker 3>from Minneapolis?

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<v Speaker 1>So people were pissed.

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<v Speaker 3>Off because they like, we ain't heard Reverend Sharpton involved

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<v Speaker 3>in this target situation, So like, how did he all

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<v Speaker 3>of a sudden get centered and why is he the

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<v Speaker 3>one having a meeting?

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<v Speaker 1>And so you know, that turned into a whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think a part of it is that social

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<v Speaker 3>media and the Internet does not always give us an

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<v Speaker 3>opportunity to fully discuss everything so people will be able

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<v Speaker 3>to get a clear picture of what's going on. Just

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<v Speaker 3>for quick points of reference, Number one, I worked for

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<v Speaker 3>Reverend Sharpton for a very very long time. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>fourteen years I did within nan and it was even

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<v Speaker 3>before that, but fourteen years I was on the payroll.

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<v Speaker 3>And I can tell you that the issues around diversity, equity, inclusion,

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<v Speaker 3>holding corporations accountable, all of that he has.

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<v Speaker 1>Been doing for a long long time.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's a history of it that comes from Operation

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<v Speaker 3>bread Baskets, which is Reverend Jackson.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember I've given this.

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<v Speaker 3>History before for people who don't know that one of

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<v Speaker 3>the reasons why we understand.

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<v Speaker 1>The attacks on DEI is because we know they know

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<v Speaker 1>they know.

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<v Speaker 3>The people who want to roll back DEI understand there

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<v Speaker 3>is a history of how diversity, equity and inclusion became

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<v Speaker 3>a thing that you hold that with the fact that,

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<v Speaker 3>of course other groups have benefited from it and it's

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<v Speaker 3>been infiltrated by other people.

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<v Speaker 1>We get all of that.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not saying that diversity, equity and inclusion as it

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<v Speaker 3>stands is perfect, or that it is you know that

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<v Speaker 3>it is a that it is great. Put it that way.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not saying that. We're saying we know it's not

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<v Speaker 3>we know it's still inequitable. Sure, Nonetheless, we understand that

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<v Speaker 3>the reason why it's being attacked is because black people

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<v Speaker 3>are under attack and women are under attack. And so

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<v Speaker 3>that's that, you know, putting that in in perspective. So

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<v Speaker 3>Reverend Sharpton has been doing this work around diversity, equity

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<v Speaker 3>and inclusion and holding corporations accountable for a long, long,

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<v Speaker 3>long long time, many many many years, more than thirty years.

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<v Speaker 3>He's been engaged in that area and has a great

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<v Speaker 3>level of expertise in terms of how to get corporations

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<v Speaker 3>to have to deal with black folks and our issues

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<v Speaker 3>and demands, and so it is not unusual for a

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<v Speaker 3>corporation to call.

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<v Speaker 1>Him and want to meet with him. So he got the.

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<v Speaker 3>Call and he called Reverend Bryant, Jamal Bryant, and asked him, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>Target wants to meet.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. Another thing.

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<v Speaker 3>For the last I think sixty something weeks, I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's been sixty something weeks, there has been a national

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<v Speaker 3>action network has been protesting outside of the office of

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<v Speaker 3>I forget his first name, but I know his last

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<v Speaker 3>name is Acman. And this guy is the one who

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<v Speaker 3>pretty much started the fight against the Fearless Fund, which

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<v Speaker 3>is where this DEI think sort of first started to come.

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<v Speaker 3>It came from that because the women from the Fearless

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<v Speaker 3>Fund are funding black women own businesses, and this guy

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<v Speaker 3>Ackman started a campaign and actually sued them to say

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<v Speaker 3>it was unconstitutional, and you know and all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>And so Sharpton has been.

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<v Speaker 3>In the space of this whole diversity, equity and inclusion

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<v Speaker 3>piece since the beginning. So there was a prime but

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<v Speaker 3>the details of it was to be discussed, as Jamal

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<v Speaker 3>did at church on Sunday, and then there's a town

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<v Speaker 3>hall meeting on Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 1>But again social media things move at the speed of lightning.

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<v Speaker 3>So once it's out there that there's a meeting, people's

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<v Speaker 3>opinion and feeling and this and that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not saying they shouldn't have that.

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<v Speaker 3>There should be accountability across the board because all of

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<v Speaker 3>us are out here managing something that other people, two

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<v Speaker 3>hundred thousand people have signed up for.

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<v Speaker 1>But there are people who never signed the petition.

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<v Speaker 3>At all who are boycotting Target, And people want to

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<v Speaker 3>know what are y'all meeting about, and what's happening and

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<v Speaker 3>who's doing what, and they have the right to know

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<v Speaker 3>those things.

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<v Speaker 2>The headlines didget out there, and I think that's precisely

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<v Speaker 2>my point. As seasoned leaders, we have to understand that

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<v Speaker 2>people are going to sensationalize headlines. So if we understand that,

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<v Speaker 2>then we have to be intentional about what gets out

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<v Speaker 2>there and how we organize things. So this is what

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<v Speaker 2>my main point was, that people have to be very aware,

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<v Speaker 2>intentional and strategic, specially when we this season as leaders, all.

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<v Speaker 3>These people who are a part of this effort, that

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<v Speaker 3>we understand our power is working because Target is even

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<v Speaker 3>calling people for meetings. And another thing that's Reverend Sharpton

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<v Speaker 3>is not the only person that Target met with in

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<v Speaker 3>the civil rights community. They've been meeting with different groups, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and it just so happened that we know about the

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<v Speaker 3>meeting with Reverend Sharpton, But there are other people who

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<v Speaker 3>had meetings that we don't know anything about having heard

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<v Speaker 3>from them on what went on or what took place.

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<v Speaker 3>But one thing I can say is that nobody agreed

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<v Speaker 3>to end the boycott or to stop it. People have

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<v Speaker 3>just been listening and allowing Target to explain to them

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<v Speaker 3>where they stand, and also doubling down on the idea

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<v Speaker 3>that we don't agree with the decision you all made

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<v Speaker 3>on January twenty fourth or twenty fifth to say that

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<v Speaker 3>you're rolling back DEI because get us what Costcos didn't

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<v Speaker 3>roll theirs back. Delta didn't roll theirs back. So what

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<v Speaker 3>is different between you Target and these other companies who

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<v Speaker 3>have stood ten toes down and chose not to cower

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<v Speaker 3>to Donald Trump and align themselves with bigotry and Nina Turners.

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<v Speaker 1>We now have met with Target.

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<v Speaker 3>We have we've met with an executive from Target, Nina

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<v Speaker 3>turn On, myself and Jamal Bryant where we talk to

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<v Speaker 3>them about the demands. Ugain reiterated the demands and have

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<v Speaker 3>asked them to get back to us with specific details

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<v Speaker 3>on the demands, not to just repackage the numbers of

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<v Speaker 3>what they've done in the past, to tell us about

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<v Speaker 3>their new ways of going about dealing with these issues.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't want to be your nighttime lover. We want

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<v Speaker 3>to be in broad daylight. What exactly are you intending

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<v Speaker 3>to do and why would you make a statement that

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<v Speaker 3>you need to roll back the diversity, equity and inclusion

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<v Speaker 3>instead of enhancing it. That's what we've They should have

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<v Speaker 3>came out and said, to be honest, we need to

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<v Speaker 3>do more diversity and equity and inclusion. We need to

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<v Speaker 3>make sure that black folks get even more a share

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<v Speaker 3>of what we as consumers are putting into Target. That's

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<v Speaker 3>actually what they should have come out with, and instead

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<v Speaker 3>they went in the opposite direction, which is to align

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<v Speaker 3>themselves with Donald Trump and Elon Musk and, in our opinion,

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<v Speaker 3>as Nina Turnet has said, to align themselves with bigotry

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<v Speaker 3>and that's not okay. So with all of that, the

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<v Speaker 3>boycott continues. There's work that's happening behind the scenes. We

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<v Speaker 3>will not sell our communities out. We will make sure

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<v Speaker 3>that when we come back to report on something, we're

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<v Speaker 3>reporting on tangibles, real tangible results, and that takes time.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's not forget that the Montgomery bus boycott lasted for

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<v Speaker 3>three hundred and eighty one days, and so we are

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<v Speaker 3>not even at six months of this yet. We're going

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<v Speaker 3>to have to have some discipline. And I guess my

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<v Speaker 3>thoat of the day for today is everything that comes

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<v Speaker 3>out on social media, we can allow ourselves to just

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<v Speaker 3>go run with it because of either our feelings of

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<v Speaker 3>about people.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got to ask for more.

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<v Speaker 3>Information because over these next four years, Over these next

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<v Speaker 3>four years, there is going to be a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>stuff that's thrown at us to get us to everybody

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<v Speaker 3>starts fighting and arguing and everybody gets divided and all

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<v Speaker 3>of that. We're not trying to be divided. We need

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<v Speaker 3>to course correct some things. Sometimes we gotta have conversations,

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<v Speaker 3>but we are not going to allow these folks to

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<v Speaker 3>divide us.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the enemy is not us.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not organizers, it's not the people online. The enemy

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<v Speaker 3>are the people who are attempting to suppress and oppress

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<v Speaker 3>our communities. And we cannot allow social media to or

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<v Speaker 3>or things that hit the news or social media to

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<v Speaker 3>throw us off our we gotta be targeted. We've got

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<v Speaker 3>no pun intended or pun intended. We've got to be focused.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got to be focused. And our focus at this

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<v Speaker 3>point is that we are making sure that corporations understand

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<v Speaker 3>there's one point eight trillion dollars that we spend. And

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<v Speaker 3>if you want to align yourself with Trump, there's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of us.

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<v Speaker 1>Who don't like Trump. So if you with him, you

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<v Speaker 1>not with us. And that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty much. I mean, I don't know what else

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<v Speaker 2>I can say after that film was broken down. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we just have to be away about the information. Like

0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:35.560
<v Speaker 2>you said, Denzel said, you know, if you watch the news,

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<v Speaker 2>then you misinformed, and if you don't do you uninformed.

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<v Speaker 2>So you have to be very careful about how you

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<v Speaker 2>get your information. You got to be make sure that

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<v Speaker 2>you're listening to credible sources. You got to do three

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<v Speaker 2>or four different checks. You can't just google one page

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<v Speaker 2>and you just see some random things pop up, like

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta be intentional. You gotta really want this information.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta look, and you gotta also use common sense,

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<v Speaker 2>because a lot of people don't even use common sense.

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<v Speaker 2>They just hear something say, look, such such jumped off

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<v Speaker 2>the roof and he landed on both foot and now

0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.360
<v Speaker 2>he's Superman. He started flying around. Look it's on the internet.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen it, and I'd be like, does that even fit?

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<v Speaker 2>What you know is humanly possible? Like they don't even

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<v Speaker 2>think about that no more, you know. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>we have to be intentional and we have to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that we follow people who have levels of integrity

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<v Speaker 2>right that you that you actually can trust, not just

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<v Speaker 2>somebody that just showed up on the internet one day

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<v Speaker 2>and they started creating these conspiracy theories that go along

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<v Speaker 2>with you know, these crazy things that you have in

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<v Speaker 2>your head and you're like, listen, listen, no, make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that there's a basis for what somebody says. Make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that it goes along with common sense. Make sure that

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<v Speaker 2>these people are trusted that you when you look up

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<v Speaker 2>the information they say that other people that you trust

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<v Speaker 2>that are you know, parenting that information or sharing that

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<v Speaker 2>same information. Don't just take information and just run with

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<v Speaker 2>it and then come and spread it, because a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of travels ten times before the truth pushes.

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<v Speaker 3>So for today's TMI, you know, it just be too much.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes for me, But I really want to ask people

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<v Speaker 3>out in the universe to listen to this story and

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<v Speaker 3>decide who they think is doing too much in this situation.

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<v Speaker 3>So a few days ago, it was announced that Fanny

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<v Speaker 3>Willis the prosecutor in Georgia in DCAV County has is

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<v Speaker 3>trying to put young Thug back in prison, which we

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<v Speaker 3>know that a part of his sentence was if you

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<v Speaker 3>violate the terms of your probation. Probation is not parole,

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<v Speaker 3>no probation. The terms of your probation that you can

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<v Speaker 3>be committed for a backlog of twenty years. He can

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<v Speaker 3>be committed for a backlog of twenty years, so he

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<v Speaker 3>would have to serve out twenty years if he does

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<v Speaker 3>any of the things that's in the stipulations. So she

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<v Speaker 3>wants to have him sent back to prison. And as

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<v Speaker 3>soon as I saw it, I'm not gonna lie. I

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<v Speaker 3>was one of those people that was like, oh, come on,

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<v Speaker 3>Like what did he do go to Metro Atlanta and

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<v Speaker 3>ride on the side of the you know street where

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<v Speaker 3>you ain't supposed to be on that corner? Like come on,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I didn't even hear the story, just a headline.

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<v Speaker 3>Headline made me automatically be like, come on, Fanny, let's

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<v Speaker 3>not do this, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So then I said, I have to listen to the story.

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<v Speaker 1>So I listened to it.

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<v Speaker 3>So they say that allegedly, they say that a blogger

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<v Speaker 3>tweeted a witness's name an address. Right, that's what they say.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the whole face and the face of the person.

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<v Speaker 3>And it had been the judge's ruling that this witness

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<v Speaker 3>was not to be exposed anything about it, and they tweeted,

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<v Speaker 3>you alleged they tweeted this person's home address and image

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<v Speaker 3>and said so and so does not want to be

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<v Speaker 3>named or does not want the court, you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>people outside of the court to know who they are.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is the person.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, this is what I will say allegedly too, although

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<v Speaker 3>the interview or this whole story, they've given you a

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<v Speaker 3>chronicle of what took place that got them back in court.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>But allegedly, young thug retweeted this post on social media,

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<v Speaker 3>and now Fanny Willis wants him to go to prison.

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<v Speaker 3>So there are some people that's like, all right, he

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<v Speaker 3>tweeted something. I still don't think he needs to do

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<v Speaker 3>twenty years in prison for that. Fanny Willis just wants

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<v Speaker 3>to send this black man to prison so bad. She's

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<v Speaker 3>got a I was gonna say hard on, but that's

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<v Speaker 3>probably inappropriate, you know' she's she's what's the word says

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<v Speaker 3>thank you with him, and there's no reason for him

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<v Speaker 3>to go back to prison for this. And in fact,

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<v Speaker 3>which is where like you said, allegedly comes from the

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<v Speaker 3>newscaster the reporter, the reporter is saying that when speaking

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<v Speaker 3>with Young Thug's attorney, the attorney says it's never okay

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<v Speaker 3>to tamper with witnesses, and it or because then they

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<v Speaker 3>say that some other they never say it was the

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<v Speaker 3>same blog. And they also don't say that Young Thug

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<v Speaker 3>retweeted this, but that the next thing was a post

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<v Speaker 3>was out there that called for the murder of Fanny

0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:43.920
<v Speaker 3>Willis right, and so, but they never said that Young

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<v Speaker 3>Thug posted that or retweeted it, or that it came

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<v Speaker 3>from the same place, but they just put that in

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<v Speaker 3>the universe. And so the lawyer responds to it and

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<v Speaker 3>says it's also not okay to threaten law enforcement. But

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<v Speaker 3>then he goes on to say that Young Thug did

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<v Speaker 3>not do any anything wrong and therefore Fanny Willis presenting

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<v Speaker 3>this type of motion to have him sent back to jail.

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<v Speaker 3>Is like, not, okay, it's stupid, it's wrong or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not his words.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just saying what he's saying is wrong, that he

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<v Speaker 3>shouldn't do it. So now, if it is true, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and so again that there are people who don't feel

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<v Speaker 3>like he should have to go back to jail for that.

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<v Speaker 3>If it is true that a blogger posted this thing,

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<v Speaker 3>this person, this witness's face, name address, and if it

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<v Speaker 3>is true that young thug retweeted it, I think that's stupid.

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<v Speaker 3>That's just me, but there might be some other people

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<v Speaker 3>as saying not.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think it's stupid.

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<v Speaker 3>First of all, we know all the legal implications and

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<v Speaker 3>what if something happens to this person, how do you

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<v Speaker 3>You're now a part of it. But also you gotta

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<v Speaker 3>stay out of trouble. You gotta stay away from people,

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<v Speaker 3>place in spaces that could potentially put you back in

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<v Speaker 3>some mess or in a situation.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just feel like even when he first came

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<v Speaker 1>out on.

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<v Speaker 3>The social media talking to stuff and doing the thing,

0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:18.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, because you home right, and we know that

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<v Speaker 3>the come home aspect of anybody who's been locked down,

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<v Speaker 3>and people are advocating for you or just even if

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<v Speaker 3>you did something wrong. I'm saying in general, when you

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<v Speaker 3>come home, as you know most people, but I know

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<v Speaker 3>in the black community, that's a time for a celebration

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<v Speaker 3>of the person to return.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you now social.

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<v Speaker 3>Media is a part of it, because I remember when

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<v Speaker 3>people used to come home before it was a chicken

0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:45.200
<v Speaker 3>dinner at the house. Right now it's social media, you

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<v Speaker 3>doing whatever. And I remember watching that part the live

0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:51.800
<v Speaker 3>or whatever he was doing and saying to myself, Lord,

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<v Speaker 3>have mercy, put the get.

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<v Speaker 1>The cell phone.

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<v Speaker 3>Take the cell phone, because you don't need to be

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<v Speaker 3>on the social media.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this person tweets.

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<v Speaker 3>Something and allegedly and you believe that they're supporting you

0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:11.040
<v Speaker 3>or whatever it is. You have to put this somebody,

0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:13.439
<v Speaker 3>anybody that knows young thug in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>I really is rooting for the brother.

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<v Speaker 3>I really was, because after a while the case was like,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, either y'all have it the evidence or you don't.

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<v Speaker 1>But this too, however long it is trial going on

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<v Speaker 1>and on.

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<v Speaker 3>And on and on, and then finding out this and

0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:31.199
<v Speaker 3>that and all this stuff. It's like, come on, you

0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:33.959
<v Speaker 3>blew it, You blew your shot to make this clean.

0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:38.320
<v Speaker 3>It was a circus. So I'm just saying I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what he may or may not have done because

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<v Speaker 3>we never really got to learn the truth to my

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<v Speaker 3>in my opinion, right or maybe we did, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>but we didn't really get clear.

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<v Speaker 1>This Happenedness happened, This happened.

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<v Speaker 3>So at some point I became one of those people

0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:56.520
<v Speaker 3>to say, if the brother did do the things that

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<v Speaker 3>they accused him of, then I really know that he's

0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:04.040
<v Speaker 3>gonna have to pay for that somehow, right Like, but

0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:06.560
<v Speaker 3>y'all did not do a good job of proving it,

0:23:06.760 --> 0:23:10.360
<v Speaker 3>and it's time to let that man go home. That's

0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:12.840
<v Speaker 3>how I felt. Anybody who don't like that, that's on you.

0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:15.760
<v Speaker 3>But that's how I felt. But now I want I

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<v Speaker 3>just want to say, as a person who did believe

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<v Speaker 3>that after a while the trial was not going in

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<v Speaker 3>the right direction, I just want the brother to put

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<v Speaker 3>down the cell phone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I think we just have to be

0:23:31.720 --> 0:23:34.879
<v Speaker 2>honest and as men, we got to hold ourselves accountable.

0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:38.320
<v Speaker 2>We got to have strong support systems around us. We

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<v Speaker 2>gotta have people to say, yo, stop doing dumb shit.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not saying he did it, because it's allegedly

0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:45.639
<v Speaker 2>and he somebody could have. You know, you're a famous person.

0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:49.520
<v Speaker 2>You're a famous person. People get you know, packed all

0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:52.159
<v Speaker 2>the time, so that that's a possibility. But I'm just

0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:55.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm having a conversation man to man. If you, if

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<v Speaker 2>you did do this allegedly, then you gotta check yourself

0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:02.880
<v Speaker 2>because your freedom. You you you've seen as if your

0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:06.480
<v Speaker 2>freedom was paramount to you, you know so, And if

0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:09.000
<v Speaker 2>it's paramount to you, then we can't make decisions that's

0:24:09.040 --> 0:24:12.679
<v Speaker 2>gonna jeopardize it, especially stupid decisions like from your page.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not saying you did. I don't know. I'm

0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:19.000
<v Speaker 2>just saying if you are, sometimes you gotta you have to.

0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:24.520
<v Speaker 2>You have to suspend your first judgment. You might have

0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:27.240
<v Speaker 2>a lot of animosity, you have to feel away against

0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:29.360
<v Speaker 2>the system. I get it. You know, it's a lot

0:24:29.359 --> 0:24:32.679
<v Speaker 2>of times we hold in you. You said for years,

0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:37.240
<v Speaker 2>and you see, you felt like a system had targeted

0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:39.480
<v Speaker 2>you and they did you wrong and you but God

0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:42.520
<v Speaker 2>gave you opportunity to come back to society. God gave

0:24:42.520 --> 0:24:45.440
<v Speaker 2>you opportunity to be free and to make different choices,

0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:47.840
<v Speaker 2>to make different decisions. And you said that you said

0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:50.639
<v Speaker 2>that you learned from and you and thank you for

0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:53.000
<v Speaker 2>playing fair and the people and you said they played

0:24:53.000 --> 0:24:55.639
<v Speaker 2>fair with you. So you have to make decisions that

0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:58.840
<v Speaker 2>make sure that the choice they made is justified as

0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:03.200
<v Speaker 2>a man. And if you didn't do it, then then

0:25:03.280 --> 0:25:06.760
<v Speaker 2>get it out, get it out. If somebody had them,

0:25:07.119 --> 0:25:09.800
<v Speaker 2>then you know, then that's the reality situation. But if

0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:12.520
<v Speaker 2>you are, I just want you just to make better decisions, brother,

0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:14.720
<v Speaker 2>because we're room for you. You know, we're fans of

0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:17.480
<v Speaker 2>the music, we're fans of just a young black man

0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:19.119
<v Speaker 2>being able to get a second because a lot of us,

0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:21.000
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of people that's in jail that have

0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:24.119
<v Speaker 2>done that, haven't done anything, that will never come home.

0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:27.240
<v Speaker 2>And you wanted the opportunities that people get to see

0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:30.639
<v Speaker 2>where there is a silver lining at the end of

0:25:30.680 --> 0:25:32.880
<v Speaker 2>the road where you can actually go through a justicism

0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:35.359
<v Speaker 2>and somebody can give you opportunity. They can see you

0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:37.040
<v Speaker 2>know the word, and they can see that you are

0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:40.520
<v Speaker 2>rehabilitating and have an opportunity. So don't fuck it up,

0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:43.600
<v Speaker 2>because if you fucked this up, allegedly, if you if

0:25:43.640 --> 0:25:45.400
<v Speaker 2>you fucked this up, then you're gonna suck it up

0:25:45.440 --> 0:25:48.160
<v Speaker 2>for a thousand other young black men just like yourself.

0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:50.040
<v Speaker 2>So that's all I have to say about.

0:25:51.880 --> 0:25:54.080
<v Speaker 3>So I guess the question is, do you think Fanny

0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:57.679
<v Speaker 3>Willis is doing too much or all these people on

0:25:57.760 --> 0:25:58.560
<v Speaker 3>social media?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's y'all incident. I don't know what it is,

0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:03.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, so I didn't see it.

0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:06.040
<v Speaker 1>I didn't see the tweet. I should go look to see.

0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:09.639
<v Speaker 2>But that's what they're allegedly saying is happening. But but

0:26:09.920 --> 0:26:12.359
<v Speaker 2>y'all give us, y'all, give us y'all feedback and let

0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:13.119
<v Speaker 2>us know what you think.

0:26:13.520 --> 0:26:17.159
<v Speaker 3>So now we are getting ready to go to a

0:26:17.280 --> 0:26:18.160
<v Speaker 3>guest that.

0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:21.800
<v Speaker 1>You know they're trying to kill us.

0:26:22.560 --> 0:26:25.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying your tickets on.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, no, no, that's not that's the woman. That's

0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:28.240
<v Speaker 3>the woman.

0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:32.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, jolly yeah, So you know that.

0:26:32.359 --> 0:26:35.879
<v Speaker 3>That Now for our guests, you know, we've only had

0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:40.480
<v Speaker 3>maybe two white folk on this show after this is

0:26:40.480 --> 0:26:47.239
<v Speaker 3>the fifth season. We had Jason Jason Flohm, who is

0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:52.440
<v Speaker 3>a big supporter and advocate for our brother justice for

0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:56.080
<v Speaker 3>Pierre Russian who is serving time for a crime that

0:26:56.119 --> 0:27:00.199
<v Speaker 3>he did not commit. And Jason is one one of

0:27:00.200 --> 0:27:05.640
<v Speaker 3>his biggest advocates and so there's that, And that was.

0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:06.720
<v Speaker 1>One white man.

0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:09.359
<v Speaker 3>I actually can't think of another, but you know, I

0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:12.560
<v Speaker 3>always leave room by saying too, so maybe there was

0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 3>one more. There was an Asian man, yeah right, that

0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:21.080
<v Speaker 3>was the husband of young couple.

0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:24.000
<v Speaker 1>But that's it. I don't know if any other white

0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:25.040
<v Speaker 1>folks has been on our show.

0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:27.720
<v Speaker 3>Just to make sure that you know, we never say

0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:31.240
<v Speaker 3>we never did, we never saw, we never went unless

0:27:31.240 --> 0:27:33.760
<v Speaker 3>you really know you never went, because if you might

0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:36.520
<v Speaker 3>have went and you say you didn't, people won't find

0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:38.480
<v Speaker 3>out because that's just the world that we live in.

0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:41.720
<v Speaker 3>But this might be the third white person that's been

0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:45.320
<v Speaker 3>on our show. But this is this brother. He is

0:27:45.400 --> 0:27:47.360
<v Speaker 3>definitely invited to the cookout.

0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:49.200
<v Speaker 1>So that's definitely guess.

0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:54.160
<v Speaker 2>Let's get to it. So today we have a friend

0:27:54.200 --> 0:27:56.040
<v Speaker 2>to the room who has been a friend of mine,

0:27:56.160 --> 0:27:59.439
<v Speaker 2>but he probably doesn't know it. Just watching her he's

0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:02.439
<v Speaker 2>a friend of mine, and just watching his commentary, watching

0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:08.480
<v Speaker 2>his unabridged truth, watch him face to face, just dismantle

0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:12.760
<v Speaker 2>just system that he's been dismantle in the system of

0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:17.080
<v Speaker 2>white supremacy by hisself for a long time now. And

0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:19.480
<v Speaker 2>it's in amazement. You know. The other day I was

0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:22.640
<v Speaker 2>watching this video where a lady was talking about d

0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:24.439
<v Speaker 2>I and this and that, and he walked up and

0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:28.280
<v Speaker 2>just grabbed the microphone and just left her speechless and

0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:30.240
<v Speaker 2>just walked off. And it was just it was so

0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:33.960
<v Speaker 2>beautiful to me. And he does this all the time. Today,

0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:37.840
<v Speaker 2>we have the Jolly Ginger aka.

0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:40.680
<v Speaker 3>Jolly Good on Instagram.

0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:42.000
<v Speaker 1>That's why people know him.

0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:44.360
<v Speaker 2>I just say, I don't be saying Jolly Good Ginger,

0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:49.400
<v Speaker 2>but today we have Russell Ellis aka Jolly Good Ginger today.

0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:53.000
<v Speaker 2>He is a social activist from western North Carolina Foothills

0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:57.320
<v Speaker 2>of Appalachia. He was raised racist and bigoted, and begin

0:28:57.680 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 2>deconstructing his own racist him as a teenager. After establishing

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:05.760
<v Speaker 2>a relationship relationship with his mom, he joined the Army

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:09.920
<v Speaker 2>of eighteen. He spent thirteen years in human intelligence Iraq

0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:15.160
<v Speaker 2>and Afghanistan. Veteran he now denounces the US occupation of

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:19.000
<v Speaker 2>those countries. First started getting real active in activism in

0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:22.720
<v Speaker 2>twenty thirteen. He has social media started in twenty twenty.

0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:27.120
<v Speaker 2>He has over six million followers across all these platforms

0:29:27.560 --> 0:29:32.200
<v Speaker 2>and he is the guy, the guy. How you doing today? Man?

0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:36.840
<v Speaker 5>I feel like I'm not worthy of that introduction for me,

0:29:39.280 --> 0:29:43.160
<v Speaker 5>I really appreciate the kind words and vice versa.

0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:44.560
<v Speaker 6>I've been watching you, know you.

0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:48.200
<v Speaker 5>And to make a in your activism across the years,

0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:51.280
<v Speaker 5>and you inspired me, you inspired countless other people, and

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:55.280
<v Speaker 5>so hearing you say these cond words about me truly humbling.

0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:57.480
<v Speaker 2>It's the work that you're doing. Brother. You know a

0:29:57.480 --> 0:29:59.720
<v Speaker 2>lot of people, you know, they say, you know, I

0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:03.040
<v Speaker 2>injustice and I don't like that, and they quietly whisper.

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:07.200
<v Speaker 2>But the way that you you face it, the way

0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:11.400
<v Speaker 2>that you dismantled you know, your videos are they are eloquent,

0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:15.880
<v Speaker 2>they are precise, they're educated, any of them with thought,

0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:19.240
<v Speaker 2>and you can't really dispute, you know, when you get facts.

0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:22.120
<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't care how you feelings. It's facts

0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:24.240
<v Speaker 2>are feelings, and you always come with facts. And that's

0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:26.000
<v Speaker 2>what I really appreciated about you.

0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:30.040
<v Speaker 6>I appreciate that. And to be honest with you, social media.

0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 5>Was an accident, so like now, watching how much of

0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:38.400
<v Speaker 5>an influence social media has on the social conversation is

0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:42.040
<v Speaker 5>fascinating because I joined social media in twenty twenty, literally

0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:45.240
<v Speaker 5>by the accident, and it's not something I ever thought about.

0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:47.560
<v Speaker 6>But now when you think about this social conversation.

0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:49.960
<v Speaker 5>You think about social media, so I'm blessed to have

0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:50.600
<v Speaker 5>a platform to.

0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:51.200
<v Speaker 6>Be able to do it.

0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:55.680
<v Speaker 3>So we don't have we ever met Jolly who was

0:30:55.720 --> 0:30:57.680
<v Speaker 3>aka Russell Ellis.

0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:00.800
<v Speaker 1>We have, yes, Louisville.

0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:05.160
<v Speaker 5>We met on a few separate occasions. But see, I

0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:06.719
<v Speaker 5>knew who you were, you know who I was, and

0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:09.760
<v Speaker 5>that's fair. But I'm good friends with Bianca, you.

0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Sister.

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:13.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, I.

0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:18.600
<v Speaker 5>Love Bianca her birthdays past her birthday Byonka and uh yeah.

0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 6>On several different occasions.

0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:22.480
<v Speaker 5>The first time I think we met was the tenth

0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 5>anniversary down in Miami Traymon Martin.

0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, yeah, so that's great.

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:32.680
<v Speaker 3>I mean, and I share my sons sentiment about you

0:31:32.800 --> 0:31:36.200
<v Speaker 3>being my friend in my head. So you know, whenever

0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:39.120
<v Speaker 3>I see you on social media, and you know, I

0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:44.720
<v Speaker 3>obviously support you, but I also share your videos in

0:31:44.800 --> 0:31:49.320
<v Speaker 3>private on my page. You know, I make sure to

0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:53.120
<v Speaker 3>lift your name as being a person who can be trusted,

0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:56.920
<v Speaker 3>who has an authentic voice and of course a very

0:31:56.960 --> 0:32:00.520
<v Speaker 3>courageous spirit, which is something that we need now more

0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:03.760
<v Speaker 3>than ever. And so I also respect you greatly and

0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:06.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm actually happy to have you on the show because

0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:08.120
<v Speaker 3>you are You're a celebrity. You kind of you popping

0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:11.960
<v Speaker 3>out here. So you know, we got the celebs on today.

0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:15.520
<v Speaker 2>You are interviewing the congressman and everything.

0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:18.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, this man moving yeah right.

0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:21.840
<v Speaker 3>But you know, as my son has said, you are

0:32:21.880 --> 0:32:27.680
<v Speaker 3>truly confronting white folks, which is something that we think

0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:29.160
<v Speaker 3>is a specific job.

0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:30.840
<v Speaker 1>I think that in this movement.

0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 3>Uh, you know, we get a lot of people who

0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:36.760
<v Speaker 3>want to join the march and they want to be

0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:40.400
<v Speaker 3>a part of what we're doing as black folks and

0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:44.000
<v Speaker 3>brown folks. They want to run to our issues and say,

0:32:44.280 --> 0:32:46.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, we're here to support I. You know, I

0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:49.680
<v Speaker 3>feel you, I see the harm, I see the wrong.

0:32:50.160 --> 0:32:52.880
<v Speaker 3>And then they go back to their racist family members

0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:55.880
<v Speaker 3>and friends, and a lot of times they either say

0:32:55.960 --> 0:33:00.440
<v Speaker 3>nothing or they certainly are not as assertive as they

0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:04.000
<v Speaker 3>are when they're in spaces with us, right, And so

0:33:04.080 --> 0:33:09.120
<v Speaker 3>I always redirect especially white women back today mama, back

0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:12.880
<v Speaker 3>to their daddy, back to their cousins, their friends, and

0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:16.880
<v Speaker 3>to go do some personal and internal work on themselves.

0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:17.880
<v Speaker 1>And you.

0:33:19.480 --> 0:33:23.200
<v Speaker 3>Have done that work, and you also confront people who

0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:25.360
<v Speaker 3>look like you. And I love for you to talk

0:33:25.400 --> 0:33:28.120
<v Speaker 3>a little bit about what that is for you because

0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:30.440
<v Speaker 3>I know that. I mean, I'm sure you're comfortable in

0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:33.480
<v Speaker 3>it now, but I don't know if you always have been.

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:38.120
<v Speaker 5>So I really I love the question and I love

0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:40.120
<v Speaker 5>the way you phrased it, because this is a question

0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:41.120
<v Speaker 5>I've been asked a.

0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:43.760
<v Speaker 6>Lot, especially, you know, since been on social media.

0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:49.840
<v Speaker 5>To be honest, when I initially started like confronting white people,

0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:54.480
<v Speaker 5>it was out of anger and frustration. So I grew

0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:58.680
<v Speaker 5>up in I mean, white supremacy. Let's just call it

0:33:58.720 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 5>what it is.

0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:02.120
<v Speaker 6>I grew up in the mountains Clina Foothills of Appalachia.

0:34:02.360 --> 0:34:06.040
<v Speaker 5>And where I was raised, I mean, racism was so casual,

0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:07.360
<v Speaker 5>it was culture right.

0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:10.000
<v Speaker 6>I didn't even know it was racism. I didn't know

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:12.000
<v Speaker 6>that not everybody said the N word.

0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:13.760
<v Speaker 5>I thought the N word was just part of daily

0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:17.280
<v Speaker 5>vocabulary because where I grew up, that's how everyone acted,

0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 5>and it was a foregone conclusion of how things work.

0:34:23.080 --> 0:34:24.960
<v Speaker 5>So when I figured it out, and there's a long

0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:27.200
<v Speaker 5>story about how it all came to be, but when

0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:30.960
<v Speaker 5>I figured out, oh shit, I'm a white supremacist, and

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:33.200
<v Speaker 5>I started figuring out there's this whole other world out

0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:36.920
<v Speaker 5>there that I didn't really know about I was not.

0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:38.560
<v Speaker 5>I want to be very clear when I say this,

0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:41.600
<v Speaker 5>I was not saying it or bringing it to the

0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:46.000
<v Speaker 5>forefront like it was some light like I was trying to.

0:34:45.920 --> 0:34:49.480
<v Speaker 6>Save the world. It was like this moment of epiphaness

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:52.399
<v Speaker 6>aha moment. But I was saying it.

0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:55.560
<v Speaker 5>To the people I knew, which was the white folks

0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:58.839
<v Speaker 5>to my left and right, and I would say to them, hey, man,

0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:01.160
<v Speaker 5>you know this ain't right or this and this, and

0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:05.320
<v Speaker 5>I would reveal the things I've learned and they would

0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:09.160
<v Speaker 5>then deny it to my faith, Oh no, we're not

0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:09.640
<v Speaker 5>that way.

0:35:09.800 --> 0:35:12.759
<v Speaker 6>Oh, we don't say that, we don't. And I'm like,

0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:16.680
<v Speaker 6>the fuck you mean we don't say that, Yes we do.

0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:20.359
<v Speaker 6>I've been here the whole fucking time and we've been

0:35:20.400 --> 0:35:21.120
<v Speaker 6>doing that shit.

0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:24.040
<v Speaker 5>Like I was. Really, I felt like I was being

0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:25.720
<v Speaker 5>gas lit by my own fucking people.

0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:28.920
<v Speaker 6>And I'm like, I remember I was like.

0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:33.880
<v Speaker 5>Fourteen fifteen years old around that time, and I was

0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:36.240
<v Speaker 5>riding down the road my dad's second wife.

0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:38.799
<v Speaker 6>You'll never hear me say, stepmom, my dad's second one.

0:35:39.520 --> 0:35:42.279
<v Speaker 5>We're riding down the road, and she dropped the N

0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:44.560
<v Speaker 5>word out there, which was pretty normal, and I don't

0:35:44.560 --> 0:35:46.879
<v Speaker 5>know why. I was just fucking fed up. I said, hey,

0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:48.600
<v Speaker 5>you know what, don't say that in front of me

0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:51.520
<v Speaker 5>no more. And she was like, say what. She didn't

0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:54.680
<v Speaker 5>know what the fuck she said. She'd say what said

0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:57.480
<v Speaker 5>the N word, don't feed no one. She started laughing,

0:35:57.640 --> 0:35:59.359
<v Speaker 5>you don't liking God in my car? I said, pull over,

0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:01.920
<v Speaker 5>so she did. She pulled over right. I got the

0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:03.160
<v Speaker 5>fuck out the corner. I walked my ass the rest

0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:05.680
<v Speaker 5>of him about two miles, which, of course, you know

0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:08.200
<v Speaker 5>back in that you know, nineties, wasn't that bad to

0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:09.320
<v Speaker 5>walk home a couple three miles.

0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:11.840
<v Speaker 6>But I decided, I'm putting my foot down, like I

0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:13.759
<v Speaker 6>don't know why. I don't know what. You know, you

0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:14.239
<v Speaker 6>went through.

0:36:14.160 --> 0:36:17.040
<v Speaker 5>Puberty, went to the ship. But I was like, fuck it,

0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:19.759
<v Speaker 5>I understand it, and I want to put my foot down.

0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 5>And then it wasn't even a week later.

0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:22.719
<v Speaker 6>I did the same thing to my dad.

0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:25.840
<v Speaker 5>Were in my house, and my dad said he dropped anywhere,

0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:27.000
<v Speaker 5>and I say, man, don't say in front of you

0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:29.439
<v Speaker 5>in the morning, said whatever you want, and he got man,

0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:31.520
<v Speaker 5>you know, down south where I grew up, you don tell.

0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:34.040
<v Speaker 6>Another man how to live in his own house.

0:36:34.200 --> 0:36:36.840
<v Speaker 5>Kind of like a rule and that's what he told me.

0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:38.319
<v Speaker 5>He said, you know, boy, you don't tell me how

0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:40.719
<v Speaker 5>to how to act in my own house. I said,

0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:43.040
<v Speaker 5>I'm telling you, I don't want to hear that shit and.

0:36:43.120 --> 0:36:43.640
<v Speaker 6>Tree me and you.

0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:46.720
<v Speaker 5>He beat the shutter he did. I was about fifteen,

0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:50.400
<v Speaker 5>he was about thirty six. He's grown ass man, but

0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:53.040
<v Speaker 5>he eats shutting me. And he told me, if I

0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:56.279
<v Speaker 5>want to hear it, I can leave, so I did.

0:36:56.480 --> 0:36:58.040
<v Speaker 5>I actually left my house for a little bit there.

0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:02.680
<v Speaker 5>But that's what got me started calling out white people

0:37:02.719 --> 0:37:05.399
<v Speaker 5>to be honest with you. I think the message gets

0:37:05.400 --> 0:37:09.160
<v Speaker 5>lost on social media where people think I'm trying to speak.

0:37:09.040 --> 0:37:11.279
<v Speaker 6>For the black community. The black community does not need

0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:12.040
<v Speaker 6>me to speak for them.

0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:14.440
<v Speaker 5>No one has asked me to be speak over for

0:37:15.040 --> 0:37:18.040
<v Speaker 5>another community, so I don't do that. What got me

0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:21.839
<v Speaker 5>started speaking so harshly to the white community was when

0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:23.959
<v Speaker 5>I figured out the white supremacy was a real deal,

0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:26.560
<v Speaker 5>and I started speaking out loud the things that I

0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:29.319
<v Speaker 5>figured out. And then my community treating me like I'm

0:37:29.360 --> 0:37:31.640
<v Speaker 5>just making this shit up, like they wasn't just saying.

0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:34.759
<v Speaker 6>It last week had me so fucking fired up. That's

0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:35.600
<v Speaker 6>what got me started.

0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:38.319
<v Speaker 2>But okay, so made.

0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:42.640
<v Speaker 4>But what what was the thing that clicked in you

0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:45.040
<v Speaker 4>to say, Yo, this shit is just wrong, Like when

0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:47.560
<v Speaker 4>you started to cold because you said you were practicing

0:37:47.600 --> 0:37:49.280
<v Speaker 4>like you were you were brought in racism.

0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:52.279
<v Speaker 2>It was regularly thing that you did. But what was it?

0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Was there a moment? Was it just a culmination of

0:37:55.040 --> 0:37:58.640
<v Speaker 2>things that made you start deconstructing within yourself before you

0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:01.160
<v Speaker 2>even started to confront them.

0:38:01.400 --> 0:38:07.360
<v Speaker 5>So have a unique situation. My mom and dad divorced

0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:10.000
<v Speaker 5>when I was three. Now, I'm gonna be abundantly clear.

0:38:11.840 --> 0:38:14.319
<v Speaker 5>When I was born, my mom was sixteen, my dad

0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:18.600
<v Speaker 5>was twenty one. It was the eighties, But I don't

0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:20.320
<v Speaker 5>think we can go ahead and excuse that. But that

0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:26.080
<v Speaker 5>was the situation. And when I was three, my mom

0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:27.040
<v Speaker 5>was nineteen.

0:38:26.719 --> 0:38:29.280
<v Speaker 6>My dad was twenty four. But my dad was very

0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:31.600
<v Speaker 6>openly white.

0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:35.640
<v Speaker 5>My mom could tell you stories about my dad and

0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:38.759
<v Speaker 5>his cousin pulling up to the store after dark in

0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:42.200
<v Speaker 5>our little town when we grew up and seeing two

0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:45.640
<v Speaker 5>white ladies with two black guys in the car, and

0:38:45.680 --> 0:38:49.680
<v Speaker 5>my dad and his cousin got pissed off and told

0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:52.520
<v Speaker 5>my mom who was I wasn't born yet, but my

0:38:52.600 --> 0:38:54.839
<v Speaker 5>mom and her friend you're going to go and beat

0:38:54.880 --> 0:38:57.480
<v Speaker 5>those white girls ass because they shouldn't have those, you know,

0:38:58.160 --> 0:39:01.319
<v Speaker 5>in this town. And that's how my dad was so

0:39:01.360 --> 0:39:03.439
<v Speaker 5>obviously my mom was that way because she was raised

0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:07.920
<v Speaker 5>by But my mom, being so fucking young, started realizing herself,

0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:10.960
<v Speaker 5>this shit ain't right, and she ended up separating from

0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:14.680
<v Speaker 5>my dad and she ended up dating a black man.

0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:18.880
<v Speaker 5>Her second husband was a black man. Well shit, you know,

0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:23.359
<v Speaker 5>like this is like my Watergate scandal. Where the fuck

0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:29.640
<v Speaker 5>I'm from? And so my dad's older than my mom,

0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:32.920
<v Speaker 5>has a career, my mom's really young, doesn't have a career.

0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:34.160
<v Speaker 6>He's got money, she don't.

0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:38.799
<v Speaker 5>And so it goes to court, and my dad got

0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:41.279
<v Speaker 5>custody of me, which in the eighties is unheard of.

0:39:41.600 --> 0:39:44.759
<v Speaker 5>The mother gets custody, but my mom's with a black man.

0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:47.359
<v Speaker 5>That's the deciding factor. Ain't no judge, nor Carolina, I'm

0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:49.040
<v Speaker 5>going to give this white kid and this white woman

0:39:49.120 --> 0:39:51.279
<v Speaker 5>dating a black man. So my dad got custody on me,

0:39:52.640 --> 0:39:56.279
<v Speaker 5>and my dad told me every bad.

0:39:56.040 --> 0:39:58.480
<v Speaker 6>Thing about my mom you can think of under.

0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:02.520
<v Speaker 5>The sun, and I believe it. I'm impressionable, obviously, who isn't.

0:40:03.040 --> 0:40:05.920
<v Speaker 5>And he had me convinced that interracial marriage was against

0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:09.439
<v Speaker 5>the Bible. He could show me the book and verse

0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:12.880
<v Speaker 5>where the Bible says. I said, no, Bell, so I

0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:16.319
<v Speaker 5>believe it. You're literally, you're literally in violation of.

0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:19.799
<v Speaker 6>The walls of God by being married this man. When

0:40:19.840 --> 0:40:21.879
<v Speaker 6>I was taking its old, my mom took the whole

0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:24.480
<v Speaker 6>thing to court and she got visitation rights on me.

0:40:25.120 --> 0:40:26.960
<v Speaker 6>I still remember when it happened. It was a very

0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:29.600
<v Speaker 6>big moment in my life. I was terrified.

0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:31.960
<v Speaker 5>The only thing I ever know about this woman was

0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:35.440
<v Speaker 5>bad things, and now she's got visitation rights on me.

0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:39.200
<v Speaker 6>And I'll make this long story short. The very first

0:40:39.239 --> 0:40:41.880
<v Speaker 6>time she picked me up for visitation, it was my

0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:45.040
<v Speaker 6>goal in my mind.

0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:47.720
<v Speaker 5>And I told my dad this that after this visitation,

0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:50.720
<v Speaker 5>she'll never want to see me again. I want to

0:40:50.760 --> 0:40:53.520
<v Speaker 5>hate me so she'll never come back. And I was

0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:57.800
<v Speaker 5>incredibly hateful to her. I told her that her marriage

0:40:57.840 --> 0:41:01.040
<v Speaker 5>was a sin against God. I told her children were

0:41:01.120 --> 0:41:04.200
<v Speaker 5>in words, and I said the word and she told me,

0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:06.440
<v Speaker 5>you know, a ten year old shouldn't talk like this,

0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:09.640
<v Speaker 5>and I said, you shouldn't be a sinner, you evil be.

0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:12.719
<v Speaker 6>That's how I talked to her, and it was a.

0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:14.960
<v Speaker 5>Very painful two hours three hours that she had me

0:41:15.040 --> 0:41:18.920
<v Speaker 5>whatever the vegetation was, and she had visitations every other Saturday.

0:41:19.480 --> 0:41:21.080
<v Speaker 6>So she dropped me off of my dad's house.

0:41:21.200 --> 0:41:22.920
<v Speaker 5>I told my dad, I said, she'll never come get

0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:24.799
<v Speaker 5>me again because I told her exactly what I feel

0:41:24.840 --> 0:41:27.719
<v Speaker 5>about her dad. And two saturdays went by and it

0:41:27.760 --> 0:41:29.080
<v Speaker 5>was time for her to come get me again, and

0:41:29.120 --> 0:41:31.120
<v Speaker 5>I was confidence she will be back.

0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:34.120
<v Speaker 6>I'll be damned she ain't pulled up in the driveway.

0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:39.080
<v Speaker 5>And then that particular Saturday, she took me to her

0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:41.719
<v Speaker 5>house to meet my siblings, who were all younger than me,

0:41:41.800 --> 0:41:42.719
<v Speaker 5>but also.

0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:47.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, right, and it was my.

0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:50.200
<v Speaker 5>First time ever in my entire life being with and

0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:53.080
<v Speaker 5>everything there was about black all criminals, it.

0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:55.120
<v Speaker 6>Is all violence, is all drugs. You don't want to

0:41:55.160 --> 0:41:56.239
<v Speaker 6>go there. It's the bad part of ten.

0:41:56.280 --> 0:42:00.680
<v Speaker 5>That's what I'm we pulled in this neighborhood, was playing

0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:05.319
<v Speaker 5>with my mom's house. You know, it's normal, It's normal

0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:08.160
<v Speaker 5>ast neighborhood like I was used to seeing. And then

0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:10.759
<v Speaker 5>my siblings came out and they were so happy to

0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:12.600
<v Speaker 5>see me, which could not compute in my head, how

0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:14.960
<v Speaker 5>the fuck are you happy to see me? I was

0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:17.480
<v Speaker 5>so angry at the world that they wasn't and they

0:42:17.480 --> 0:42:19.759
<v Speaker 5>were all younger than me, and I could not bring

0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:21.799
<v Speaker 5>it to my in my heart to be mean to them.

0:42:21.800 --> 0:42:23.759
<v Speaker 5>I don't want them to be Even as a ten

0:42:23.840 --> 0:42:27.000
<v Speaker 5>year old, I had to word with all the say

0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:32.239
<v Speaker 5>it ain't their fault. And they played and talked to me,

0:42:32.280 --> 0:42:34.840
<v Speaker 5>and I kind of didn't didn't really engage.

0:42:35.400 --> 0:42:38.440
<v Speaker 6>Then every other Saturday, I'm back. I started. I love basketball.

0:42:38.440 --> 0:42:38.919
<v Speaker 6>I grew up playing.

0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:43.880
<v Speaker 5>Last Well, I'm a tall kid, and so my brother's

0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:44.760
<v Speaker 5>next visits.

0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:45.280
<v Speaker 6>You want to go to the basketball.

0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:47.040
<v Speaker 5>Hell, yeah, I'm a good basketball I'm down the neighborhood

0:42:47.040 --> 0:42:50.520
<v Speaker 5>playing basketball with the neighbors. And nothing's like what I

0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:53.520
<v Speaker 5>was told. It was life, you understand, nothing was what

0:42:53.719 --> 0:42:58.200
<v Speaker 5>my dad and so I had reached this moment. My

0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:01.560
<v Speaker 5>dadd had told me a but my eyes are witnessing

0:43:01.719 --> 0:43:05.480
<v Speaker 5>be of what the fuck conclusion do I come to?

0:43:06.160 --> 0:43:07.880
<v Speaker 5>And it was at that age, the early age of

0:43:07.880 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 5>ten years older, I started confronting the realities of what

0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:12.040
<v Speaker 5>I was told versus the reality.

0:43:11.800 --> 0:43:13.839
<v Speaker 6>Is what I see. It took me a few years.

0:43:13.920 --> 0:43:15.560
<v Speaker 5>I had nobody to talk to him, not close enough

0:43:15.600 --> 0:43:18.520
<v Speaker 5>to my mom to talk to her. He talked to

0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:21.000
<v Speaker 5>my dad, I'll be that he'll throw me out the house.

0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:24.640
<v Speaker 5>So by the time I was at thirteen fourteen, I

0:43:24.640 --> 0:43:27.480
<v Speaker 5>had really put some shit together. And my son you

0:43:27.560 --> 0:43:29.520
<v Speaker 5>asked me, what was that moment. I'm gonna be answering you.

0:43:29.800 --> 0:43:35.400
<v Speaker 5>There was this one watershed moment. I had begun reading

0:43:35.440 --> 0:43:38.160
<v Speaker 5>books in the library because nobody even checked me in

0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:40.960
<v Speaker 5>the library at school, and I had to begun watching

0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:41.879
<v Speaker 5>vachest tape.

0:43:41.880 --> 0:43:43.719
<v Speaker 6>You're gonna rent VHS tapes.

0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:46.000
<v Speaker 5>In the library where I went to schooling and you

0:43:46.040 --> 0:43:47.600
<v Speaker 5>can watch these old talk shows.

0:43:47.640 --> 0:43:51.560
<v Speaker 6>And I watched the talk show where Malcolm X.

0:43:51.680 --> 0:43:55.000
<v Speaker 5>Was giving an interview, and the guy who was doing

0:43:55.000 --> 0:43:57.520
<v Speaker 5>the interviews on TV say, hey, what's your last name?

0:43:57.560 --> 0:43:59.920
<v Speaker 6>It's not Ax. We know it's not X.

0:44:00.000 --> 0:44:02.200
<v Speaker 5>What's your last name? Malcolm has told him, you know,

0:44:02.239 --> 0:44:04.640
<v Speaker 5>I don't know my last name. You stole, you robbed

0:44:04.680 --> 0:44:06.439
<v Speaker 5>me of my last name, and you took my last

0:44:06.480 --> 0:44:08.000
<v Speaker 5>name and you assigned to your last name.

0:44:08.160 --> 0:44:09.000
<v Speaker 6>It's not my last name.

0:44:10.200 --> 0:44:12.800
<v Speaker 7>And in my white life, I had never heard something

0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:20.400
<v Speaker 7>like that, and my life like that, and where I

0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:20.799
<v Speaker 7>grew up.

0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:25.120
<v Speaker 5>Your family names fucking everything. You uphold your family name.

0:44:25.160 --> 0:44:28.520
<v Speaker 5>That's a fundamental value. Uphold your family name. It makes

0:44:28.560 --> 0:44:30.759
<v Speaker 5>each generation better than the next. You're told the shit

0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:34.200
<v Speaker 5>from time to you're fucking mee how to agresship. And

0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:38.239
<v Speaker 5>it occurred to me in that moment that taking the

0:44:38.320 --> 0:44:42.520
<v Speaker 5>last name, or taking the family name of enslaved people's

0:44:43.080 --> 0:44:46.600
<v Speaker 5>was very on purpose by my people, because my people

0:44:47.040 --> 0:44:50.239
<v Speaker 5>are taught that your family name is your identity, so

0:44:50.320 --> 0:44:53.239
<v Speaker 5>it was intentional to rob them of their identity. And

0:44:53.280 --> 0:44:56.160
<v Speaker 5>it was at that moment where I had everything that

0:44:56.200 --> 0:44:58.360
<v Speaker 5>I had been learning and thinking of my head.

0:44:58.200 --> 0:44:59.720
<v Speaker 6>Built up and it burst.

0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:03.560
<v Speaker 5>I said, that's fucking rom You don't take people's fucking

0:45:03.640 --> 0:45:04.520
<v Speaker 5>family name from them.

0:45:04.760 --> 0:45:07.080
<v Speaker 6>You don't fucking rob them of their identity.

0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:10.560
<v Speaker 5>My fucking people should be fucking He'll respond, and I

0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:13.800
<v Speaker 5>just I just had this watershed moment, and that's really

0:45:13.800 --> 0:45:15.080
<v Speaker 5>where the fire lit Uneasy.

0:45:18.080 --> 0:45:22.000
<v Speaker 1>This is so much that I'm just like, do I

0:45:22.120 --> 0:45:24.040
<v Speaker 1>lay down? Do we get the collection?

0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:25.560
<v Speaker 2>Please? Like?

0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:26.560
<v Speaker 1>What do we do?

0:45:26.680 --> 0:45:29.120
<v Speaker 3>Because but you know what, that's what we wanted to

0:45:29.160 --> 0:45:31.319
<v Speaker 3>have you on today to talk about. And of course

0:45:31.360 --> 0:45:33.920
<v Speaker 3>we'll get to the danger of the moment. But I

0:45:33.960 --> 0:45:37.840
<v Speaker 3>think that my son always says that there's a backstory

0:45:38.000 --> 0:45:43.960
<v Speaker 3>to our like human lives. We're not just an Instagram profile.

0:45:44.040 --> 0:45:48.760
<v Speaker 3>We're not just you know, a quick SoundBite. We actually

0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:55.040
<v Speaker 3>have human experiences, and not enough people know who we are,

0:45:55.160 --> 0:45:57.720
<v Speaker 3>where we come from. And that's why there's so many,

0:45:57.880 --> 0:46:00.560
<v Speaker 3>so much, which is my next question to you. But

0:46:00.960 --> 0:46:04.640
<v Speaker 3>that's why there's so much, so many misconceptions about the

0:46:04.760 --> 0:46:06.920
<v Speaker 3>why why do you do this work?

0:46:07.120 --> 0:46:07.840
<v Speaker 1>You know why?

0:46:07.880 --> 0:46:09.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh oh, you just want to make money or you

0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:12.000
<v Speaker 3>just want to and people need to know that No,

0:46:12.280 --> 0:46:15.720
<v Speaker 3>actually I got here by fire. You know what happened

0:46:15.719 --> 0:46:18.480
<v Speaker 3>to me. It hurt a little bit, you know, for

0:46:19.080 --> 0:46:21.680
<v Speaker 3>my entry into this work. And so that's what I

0:46:21.680 --> 0:46:23.520
<v Speaker 3>wanted to talk to you about. But I want to

0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:28.120
<v Speaker 3>get to misinformation because it sounds like it and it

0:46:28.200 --> 0:46:31.480
<v Speaker 3>really is kind of like a beautiful song being put

0:46:31.560 --> 0:46:37.839
<v Speaker 3>together here because you were given misinformation and for.

0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:40.760
<v Speaker 1>A while, thank god, you learned otherwise. Young.

0:46:41.440 --> 0:46:43.640
<v Speaker 3>But there are some people in which are some of

0:46:43.680 --> 0:46:46.359
<v Speaker 3>these folks that I see you talking to in these

0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:52.880
<v Speaker 3>videos while you're out confronting people. Their information is a

0:46:53.040 --> 0:46:58.720
<v Speaker 3>narrative full of misinformation. So it's you caught it early.

0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:02.719
<v Speaker 3>But imagine when you are are a thirty five, forty five,

0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:07.160
<v Speaker 3>fifty five year old, big dummy, because you just all

0:47:07.200 --> 0:47:09.839
<v Speaker 3>you know is whatever Fox News is telling you. So

0:47:09.880 --> 0:47:13.120
<v Speaker 3>do you feel like, yes, there's racism and all that,

0:47:13.160 --> 0:47:16.160
<v Speaker 3>but you think misinformation is also a part of why

0:47:16.280 --> 0:47:19.960
<v Speaker 3>so many white people, even the ones who are like

0:47:20.040 --> 0:47:23.640
<v Speaker 3>good white people, are like, I don't know what you mean, Like,

0:47:24.040 --> 0:47:28.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, I thought they were only deporting criminals, you know, Like,

0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:31.040
<v Speaker 3>what do you think about the misinformation piece?

0:47:32.000 --> 0:47:39.920
<v Speaker 5>Misinformation is a staple of White America. Misinformation. That's why nuance.

0:47:40.400 --> 0:47:43.840
<v Speaker 5>Nuance is is the ship of freedom, you know what

0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:47.560
<v Speaker 5>I'm saying. The ability to discuss nu ones is how

0:47:47.640 --> 0:47:50.359
<v Speaker 5>all of this falls apart. And so this whole two

0:47:50.360 --> 0:47:54.960
<v Speaker 5>dimensional world is what they want with I digress, misinformation

0:47:55.239 --> 0:47:58.040
<v Speaker 5>is exactly what white America thrives. The I do the

0:47:58.080 --> 0:48:01.799
<v Speaker 5>Ted Talk a few years back, and I kind of

0:48:01.840 --> 0:48:03.840
<v Speaker 5>just said it in the Ted Talk. I didn't expound

0:48:03.920 --> 0:48:06.400
<v Speaker 5>upon it, but I don't think people really understood how

0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:11.600
<v Speaker 5>deeply I meant it. I talked about how Donald Trump

0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:14.440
<v Speaker 5>did not usher in white supremacy in America. White supremacy

0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:18.719
<v Speaker 5>ushered in Donald Trump. And it's important for people to

0:48:18.840 --> 0:48:24.279
<v Speaker 5>understand a few things. Literally, every single talking point of

0:48:24.719 --> 0:48:25.520
<v Speaker 5>the make America.

0:48:25.560 --> 0:48:29.080
<v Speaker 6>Grade of the movement is a recycled talking point. I've

0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:31.680
<v Speaker 6>heard it when I was ten years old. I've heard

0:48:31.680 --> 0:48:33.200
<v Speaker 6>it all. There's nothing you can say.

0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:36.120
<v Speaker 5>The difference between a bigot and a parrot is one

0:48:36.200 --> 0:48:38.520
<v Speaker 5>of them has no original thought and just repeats everything

0:48:38.560 --> 0:48:40.480
<v Speaker 5>they hear around them because they don't have a brain,

0:48:40.680 --> 0:48:44.640
<v Speaker 5>and the other one's a fucking burn fucking There is

0:48:44.840 --> 0:48:49.960
<v Speaker 5>no unique ideology in bigatry, there's no unique ideology in

0:48:49.960 --> 0:48:50.799
<v Speaker 5>white supremacy.

0:48:51.480 --> 0:48:53.640
<v Speaker 6>So misinformation is how we thrive.

0:48:53.719 --> 0:48:55.839
<v Speaker 5>When I was ten, I was told there's a war

0:48:55.880 --> 0:48:59.719
<v Speaker 5>against Christianity, there's a war against straight people, there's a

0:48:59.760 --> 0:49:04.160
<v Speaker 5>war against white men. Heard that before, yeah, last week

0:49:04.280 --> 0:49:05.200
<v Speaker 5>the fucking news.

0:49:05.480 --> 0:49:08.759
<v Speaker 6>But I heard it when I was fucking ten.

0:49:09.640 --> 0:49:14.160
<v Speaker 5>Because you know, if you trace the white race back,

0:49:14.200 --> 0:49:16.640
<v Speaker 5>when did this white race begin begin right here in America?

0:49:16.680 --> 0:49:21.320
<v Speaker 6>After Bacon's Rebellion sixteen seventy six. What happened was rich.

0:49:21.160 --> 0:49:22.920
<v Speaker 5>People were trying to be rich and poor people were

0:49:22.960 --> 0:49:25.000
<v Speaker 5>fucking tired of getting shit on. So there was a

0:49:25.000 --> 0:49:27.120
<v Speaker 5>whole bunch of rebellions and there was this one really

0:49:27.120 --> 0:49:30.440
<v Speaker 5>big relion called Baker's Rebellion, and the fucking rich white

0:49:30.480 --> 0:49:35.439
<v Speaker 5>men holding fucking you know, colonizers decided, Hey, we need

0:49:35.440 --> 0:49:37.799
<v Speaker 5>to fucking stop this shit. So what we're gonna do

0:49:37.840 --> 0:49:39.920
<v Speaker 5>is we're gonna convince the white people, Yeah, you might

0:49:39.960 --> 0:49:41.560
<v Speaker 5>be poor, but at least you made black.

0:49:42.000 --> 0:49:42.839
<v Speaker 6>And that's what I did.

0:49:42.960 --> 0:49:45.600
<v Speaker 5>They created this race of white people that didn't exist before,

0:49:45.920 --> 0:49:49.239
<v Speaker 5>to create this fake majority, to create this mythology of

0:49:49.239 --> 0:49:53.160
<v Speaker 5>white supremacy, so that at least you might be poor, motherfucker,

0:49:53.600 --> 0:49:56.319
<v Speaker 5>but you ain't black, you're not enslaved, you're not less

0:49:56.320 --> 0:49:56.840
<v Speaker 5>than human.

0:49:57.120 --> 0:49:57.879
<v Speaker 6>And so that was.

0:49:57.920 --> 0:50:00.640
<v Speaker 5>Enough, And that ideology has served I at the test

0:50:00.640 --> 0:50:03.840
<v Speaker 5>of time. In twenty twenty five, it's all still the same,

0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:06.960
<v Speaker 5>and the entire basis of how we convince white people

0:50:06.960 --> 0:50:11.120
<v Speaker 5>to be okay with absolute the most oborigious human rights

0:50:11.200 --> 0:50:16.759
<v Speaker 5>violations in human history is through misinformation. If I tell

0:50:16.800 --> 0:50:18.799
<v Speaker 5>you that you're the victim, if I tell you the

0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:21.480
<v Speaker 5>wars against you, if I tell you that people hate you,

0:50:21.760 --> 0:50:24.799
<v Speaker 5>it's a whole lot fucking easier to be hateful. It's

0:50:24.800 --> 0:50:27.399
<v Speaker 5>a whole lot fucking easier to dehumanize others.

0:50:27.480 --> 0:50:28.880
<v Speaker 6>We see that happening right now.

0:50:29.080 --> 0:50:33.640
<v Speaker 5>We're watching fathers, we're watching brothers, we're watching human beings

0:50:34.040 --> 0:50:37.120
<v Speaker 5>get shipped to a torture prison in Al Salvador, and

0:50:37.160 --> 0:50:41.040
<v Speaker 5>then you're watching people justify that bullshit. The only way

0:50:41.080 --> 0:50:44.799
<v Speaker 5>that's possible is through misinformation. White supremacy was built on

0:50:44.880 --> 0:50:48.960
<v Speaker 5>the foundation of misinformation. White supremacy in it of itself

0:50:49.040 --> 0:50:49.799
<v Speaker 5>is misinformation.

0:50:50.200 --> 0:50:54.719
<v Speaker 3>White people worshipree that's right, that's right. It's the white

0:50:54.800 --> 0:50:57.000
<v Speaker 3>supremacists want to be. That's what I call it.

0:50:57.080 --> 0:51:01.799
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, sir, so well, you said that Trump didn't

0:51:01.840 --> 0:51:05.920
<v Speaker 2>usher in white supremacy. White supremacy ushered than Trump. Do

0:51:05.960 --> 0:51:11.120
<v Speaker 2>you think that Trump is necessary in order to actually

0:51:11.160 --> 0:51:13.239
<v Speaker 2>come to the moment to where we get rid of

0:51:13.280 --> 0:51:15.160
<v Speaker 2>this thing? Do you think that what is he's doing

0:51:15.239 --> 0:51:17.279
<v Speaker 2>right now we do you? Do you think it's going

0:51:17.360 --> 0:51:21.080
<v Speaker 2>to have this effect to where people are gonna look

0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:23.880
<v Speaker 2>and say this is over the top or do you

0:51:23.960 --> 0:51:28.040
<v Speaker 2>think that people are gonna just continue as business as normal.

0:51:29.400 --> 0:51:31.400
<v Speaker 6>I think both are a very real possibility.

0:51:31.440 --> 0:51:35.520
<v Speaker 5>If you look at after the Civil War, that should

0:51:35.520 --> 0:51:40.399
<v Speaker 5>have been America's movement, like we just literally killed each other,

0:51:41.200 --> 0:51:43.520
<v Speaker 5>maybe we should get our shit together, but they didn't,

0:51:43.920 --> 0:51:47.520
<v Speaker 5>and then what happened was south to the North. Hey, man,

0:51:47.560 --> 0:51:50.040
<v Speaker 5>if you take your federal troops out of our out

0:51:50.040 --> 0:51:51.520
<v Speaker 5>of our states will be good.

0:51:51.680 --> 0:51:54.960
<v Speaker 6>But they weren't good. Jim pro Laws immediately.

0:51:54.400 --> 0:51:57.680
<v Speaker 5>Followed the exit of federal troops from Southern from the

0:51:57.680 --> 0:52:00.480
<v Speaker 5>Southern States of America. And then what followed after that

0:52:00.560 --> 0:52:02.880
<v Speaker 5>was the United Daughters of the Confederacy. My dollars, a

0:52:02.880 --> 0:52:07.320
<v Speaker 5>profession came in, resurrected the Confederate statues, resurrected the Confederate flag.

0:52:07.600 --> 0:52:10.160
<v Speaker 5>The United Daughters of the Confederacy are the ones who

0:52:10.239 --> 0:52:13.719
<v Speaker 5>started the ideology of it was states rights and not slavery.

0:52:14.000 --> 0:52:17.799
<v Speaker 6>We never held this is very important. We never held.

0:52:17.560 --> 0:52:20.759
<v Speaker 5>The leaders of the Confederate States of America accountable under

0:52:20.800 --> 0:52:23.360
<v Speaker 5>the idea of we should just heal our wounds and

0:52:23.760 --> 0:52:26.280
<v Speaker 5>welcome our brothers back into our arms.

0:52:26.400 --> 0:52:28.680
<v Speaker 6>Right, they got a free pass on it.

0:52:29.200 --> 0:52:31.279
<v Speaker 5>Now, I want you to ask yourself, the Confederate States

0:52:31.320 --> 0:52:33.719
<v Speaker 5>of America was purely a black movement. What they have

0:52:33.800 --> 0:52:36.120
<v Speaker 5>got a free pass? Would we have given them the

0:52:36.160 --> 0:52:38.719
<v Speaker 5>fucking same courtesy we gave the CONFEDIANTO we wouldn't we

0:52:38.760 --> 0:52:43.080
<v Speaker 5>know the fucking answer. So we never held white America accountable.

0:52:43.880 --> 0:52:46.319
<v Speaker 5>Woodrow Wilson, I believe it was the bread no No,

0:52:46.360 --> 0:52:48.399
<v Speaker 5>it was Harry Truman. Wasn't Harry Truman was the first

0:52:48.440 --> 0:52:51.520
<v Speaker 5>president that allowed a film to be played in the

0:52:51.520 --> 0:52:51.959
<v Speaker 5>White House?

0:52:51.960 --> 0:52:55.000
<v Speaker 6>What was that film? The Birth of America? Made by

0:52:55.000 --> 0:52:59.600
<v Speaker 6>the kumplux Tian. In this country, we have never, ever, ever, ever,

0:52:59.719 --> 0:53:01.600
<v Speaker 6>ever held white supremacy accountable.

0:53:01.600 --> 0:53:05.320
<v Speaker 5>I can draw you a straight line from the Confederate

0:53:05.360 --> 0:53:07.520
<v Speaker 5>States of America to make America great again.

0:53:07.560 --> 0:53:08.799
<v Speaker 6>I can draw it. I don't have to make a left,

0:53:08.800 --> 0:53:10.000
<v Speaker 6>I don't want to make a right. I gotta make

0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:11.759
<v Speaker 6>a you turn. I gotta do no trickery. It's a

0:53:11.760 --> 0:53:15.080
<v Speaker 6>straight fucking line. The make America way to good movement

0:53:15.280 --> 0:53:18.319
<v Speaker 6>is the Confederate States of America. It's the fucking reintroduction,

0:53:18.520 --> 0:53:21.560
<v Speaker 6>reintroduction of the first time. How do we get here?

0:53:21.800 --> 0:53:24.399
<v Speaker 6>We didn't hold white America accountable. So if Donald Trump

0:53:24.480 --> 0:53:29.799
<v Speaker 6>disappears fucking tomorrow, he's gone. Are supremacists that put him

0:53:29.800 --> 0:53:30.280
<v Speaker 6>in the office?

0:53:30.280 --> 0:53:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Goon?

0:53:30.800 --> 0:53:33.120
<v Speaker 5>Are the motherfuckers we gave a free pass to goone?

0:53:33.480 --> 0:53:36.319
<v Speaker 5>Is the ideology that they use to fucking vote for him?

0:53:36.560 --> 0:53:40.520
<v Speaker 5>Going No, And if we don't hold white supremacy accountable

0:53:40.600 --> 0:53:43.400
<v Speaker 5>in this country, then we're just waiting for the fucking

0:53:43.480 --> 0:53:46.840
<v Speaker 5>next time it happens. We have to defeat Donald Trump.

0:53:46.840 --> 0:53:49.799
<v Speaker 5>We have to defeat fascism, we have to defeat the misinformation.

0:53:50.080 --> 0:53:52.919
<v Speaker 6>We also have to hold white supremacy accountable, and that's

0:53:52.920 --> 0:53:55.280
<v Speaker 6>something America is still not ready to do that. I'm afraid.

0:53:56.080 --> 0:53:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Do you do you find yourself? Do you feel like

0:53:58.880 --> 0:54:01.680
<v Speaker 2>you're a danger sometime? Do you feel like there's some

0:54:01.800 --> 0:54:04.160
<v Speaker 2>people that's so racist, white people that are mad at you.

0:54:04.280 --> 0:54:06.120
<v Speaker 2>Do you get like death threats or anything.

0:54:07.760 --> 0:54:10.040
<v Speaker 5>I've had death threats, I had a goud pulled up

0:54:10.080 --> 0:54:15.719
<v Speaker 5>to my house. I've had people approaching me in crowds. Uh. Yeah,

0:54:15.800 --> 0:54:20.000
<v Speaker 5>that's that's an inherent part of being a I am

0:54:20.040 --> 0:54:22.400
<v Speaker 5>a race trader. They came, you're a trader to your race,

0:54:23.080 --> 0:54:24.839
<v Speaker 5>should be your first fucking billion in the cult.

0:54:24.840 --> 0:54:26.960
<v Speaker 6>But they're not. They're too stupid. And so.

0:54:28.760 --> 0:54:31.360
<v Speaker 5>My thoughts on it are this, First of all, my

0:54:31.440 --> 0:54:36.080
<v Speaker 5>children aren't white. And first of all, I want to

0:54:36.080 --> 0:54:37.920
<v Speaker 5>be clear, you don't have to have children or family

0:54:37.920 --> 0:54:41.279
<v Speaker 5>members are of any race, color, ethnicity, religion, creed to

0:54:41.280 --> 0:54:45.720
<v Speaker 5>just fucking have basic human compassion. But I do remind

0:54:45.800 --> 0:54:49.200
<v Speaker 5>myself that I just want my fucking children to live

0:54:49.200 --> 0:54:50.880
<v Speaker 5>in a better fucking country than when I lived there,

0:54:50.960 --> 0:54:55.040
<v Speaker 5>Like goddamn, But I don't think there's a way to

0:54:55.040 --> 0:54:57.360
<v Speaker 5>stand up against white supremacy and not be in danger.

0:54:57.680 --> 0:54:59.279
<v Speaker 5>So the best you could do is stand up against

0:54:59.280 --> 0:55:02.160
<v Speaker 5>white supremacy and fucking keep your head on the slow,

0:55:02.400 --> 0:55:02.600
<v Speaker 5>you know what.

0:55:02.920 --> 0:55:04.200
<v Speaker 1>That's it.

0:55:04.239 --> 0:55:06.280
<v Speaker 3>But you were kind of like not the person. Folks

0:55:06.280 --> 0:55:08.880
<v Speaker 3>want to roll up on what you said. Thirteen years

0:55:08.880 --> 0:55:10.240
<v Speaker 3>and Iraq?

0:55:10.360 --> 0:55:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Did you say, I have been to Iraq.

0:55:13.120 --> 0:55:17.840
<v Speaker 5>I have been to Afghanistan thirteen years in the Army

0:55:18.880 --> 0:55:19.920
<v Speaker 5>military intelligence.

0:55:20.280 --> 0:55:25.239
<v Speaker 6>Nine of those thirteen years was overseas. And yeah, I

0:55:25.239 --> 0:55:25.960
<v Speaker 6>try to, I try to.

0:55:26.040 --> 0:55:27.680
<v Speaker 5>I try to, you know, take the things I learned

0:55:27.680 --> 0:55:29.319
<v Speaker 5>from the military, take the things I learned from the

0:55:29.320 --> 0:55:32.080
<v Speaker 5>intelligence community, and apply them to my everyday life. And

0:55:32.680 --> 0:55:36.239
<v Speaker 5>the guy who didn't come to my house, you know,

0:55:36.560 --> 0:55:38.080
<v Speaker 5>I'm not going to talk about that because he didn't

0:55:38.080 --> 0:55:41.560
<v Speaker 5>go to court and the guy was convicted, and you know,

0:55:41.960 --> 0:55:47.080
<v Speaker 5>but the fact is, you know, thankfully I was paying

0:55:47.080 --> 0:55:49.359
<v Speaker 5>attention and it didn't work out good for him, and

0:55:49.440 --> 0:55:52.120
<v Speaker 5>so yeah, you know, that's that's what we have to do.

0:55:52.440 --> 0:55:59.520
<v Speaker 6>I think that if this wasn't such, if this wasn't.

0:55:59.239 --> 0:56:01.760
<v Speaker 5>A thing, built on hate, and speaking against it wouldn't

0:56:01.800 --> 0:56:03.239
<v Speaker 5>be so dangerous, if that makes sense.

0:56:03.280 --> 0:56:03.680
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

0:56:03.719 --> 0:56:07.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the thing is dangerous, so in order to confront it,

0:56:07.760 --> 0:56:11.080
<v Speaker 3>it is equally, if not more dangerous. I mean, that's

0:56:11.120 --> 0:56:13.280
<v Speaker 3>just the reality. We deal with it all the time.

0:56:13.480 --> 0:56:17.400
<v Speaker 3>I mean, in my life, I've had some real serious

0:56:17.480 --> 0:56:20.440
<v Speaker 3>close calls, like things where you know, people showing up

0:56:20.440 --> 0:56:23.759
<v Speaker 3>to my speaking engagements, folks pulling out weapons.

0:56:24.600 --> 0:56:26.680
<v Speaker 1>We've even had black people.

0:56:27.520 --> 0:56:29.600
<v Speaker 3>It was like two years ago, maybe three years ago,

0:56:29.640 --> 0:56:33.200
<v Speaker 3>where that black woman showed up in DC at that

0:56:33.360 --> 0:56:34.480
<v Speaker 3>march that we went to.

0:56:35.160 --> 0:56:36.359
<v Speaker 1>And I don't even know.

0:56:36.520 --> 0:56:39.440
<v Speaker 3>And this is not even someone who was supposed to

0:56:39.440 --> 0:56:42.520
<v Speaker 3>be even though I think she was certainly planted and

0:56:42.560 --> 0:56:46.160
<v Speaker 3>paid to do what she did. But nonetheless, if what

0:56:46.280 --> 0:56:49.160
<v Speaker 3>she says is true, that she was just mad at

0:56:49.200 --> 0:56:53.160
<v Speaker 3>me because I didn't support her thing or whatever, she

0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:57.480
<v Speaker 3>was going through some mental health situation and just my

0:56:57.680 --> 0:57:01.600
<v Speaker 3>visibility alone put me in the cross here, So you know,

0:57:01.840 --> 0:57:04.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't I don't believe her. I think she was

0:57:04.080 --> 0:57:07.439
<v Speaker 3>there on purpose, paid to do the thing. But if

0:57:07.480 --> 0:57:10.400
<v Speaker 3>that's not the case, and she just got upset because

0:57:10.719 --> 0:57:13.160
<v Speaker 3>I didn't help her or whatever it is, and decided

0:57:13.200 --> 0:57:16.320
<v Speaker 3>to approach me and it turned into a physical thing

0:57:16.360 --> 0:57:20.120
<v Speaker 3>where people had to get involved, like she was enraged.

0:57:20.720 --> 0:57:24.320
<v Speaker 3>And that is because I'm in my visibility is there

0:57:24.440 --> 0:57:27.120
<v Speaker 3>where she she picked me as the person you know.

0:57:27.560 --> 0:57:30.080
<v Speaker 1>So I'm you know, so I understand every day.

0:57:30.080 --> 0:57:32.120
<v Speaker 3>But the one thing about it is, as was said

0:57:32.160 --> 0:57:35.840
<v Speaker 3>to us by one of our dear, dear sisters that

0:57:35.920 --> 0:57:39.360
<v Speaker 3>we love so much. And I won't name her so

0:57:39.720 --> 0:57:42.040
<v Speaker 3>to protect her. But all you got, all you're gonna

0:57:42.040 --> 0:57:44.760
<v Speaker 3>do is kill me. That's it, you know what I'm saying,

0:57:44.920 --> 0:57:47.720
<v Speaker 3>Like I you know that that's the worst that can happen,

0:57:47.800 --> 0:57:50.080
<v Speaker 3>is that you could kill me. I don't want to

0:57:50.080 --> 0:57:53.080
<v Speaker 3>be dead. I don't want to be killed. I don't

0:57:53.080 --> 0:57:55.960
<v Speaker 3>want to be harmed. I don't want to be impaired

0:57:55.960 --> 0:57:57.880
<v Speaker 3>for the rest of my life from a bullet or

0:57:58.040 --> 0:57:58.400
<v Speaker 3>this or that.

0:57:58.920 --> 0:58:00.400
<v Speaker 1>But what I know is that what.

0:58:00.400 --> 0:58:02.439
<v Speaker 3>I definitely don't want to live with for the rest

0:58:02.480 --> 0:58:04.840
<v Speaker 3>of my life is that I did nothing.

0:58:05.760 --> 0:58:07.600
<v Speaker 1>That part. I can't. I can't.

0:58:07.640 --> 0:58:11.040
<v Speaker 3>I can't, I can't because that's a mental death to me.

0:58:11.800 --> 0:58:14.760
<v Speaker 3>So I'm you know, we out here just we gotta

0:58:14.800 --> 0:58:16.919
<v Speaker 3>do what we gotta do and whatever comes with it.

0:58:16.960 --> 0:58:23.560
<v Speaker 1>God knows, God knows, God's got me and you and you.

0:58:22.720 --> 0:58:26.120
<v Speaker 5>My kids see what's going you know, my kids. My

0:58:26.720 --> 0:58:29.560
<v Speaker 5>oldest son, when he was in middle school, was the

0:58:29.600 --> 0:58:32.440
<v Speaker 5>experience about of racism. And I called her school, you know,

0:58:32.520 --> 0:58:34.520
<v Speaker 5>and I say, hey, man, you know, you might want

0:58:34.600 --> 0:58:36.440
<v Speaker 5>to talk to this kid who's been a racist.

0:58:36.960 --> 0:58:39.160
<v Speaker 6>I talked to the teacher, first teacher. Teacher didn't stop,

0:58:39.200 --> 0:58:40.680
<v Speaker 6>but I talked to the principal. Principal.

0:58:40.920 --> 0:58:44.080
<v Speaker 5>I told the principal, listen, man, come, come time. Number three,

0:58:44.120 --> 0:58:47.000
<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna tell my my son take care of it himself.

0:58:47.520 --> 0:58:50.440
<v Speaker 5>And that's actually what happened. And my son, you know,

0:58:50.960 --> 0:58:53.720
<v Speaker 5>I made this individual aware of the consequence of possessions.

0:58:53.760 --> 0:58:57.280
<v Speaker 6>But then the principal literally fucking told.

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<v Speaker 5>Me to my face, we can't respond to the words

0:59:00.440 --> 0:59:03.240
<v Speaker 5>with violence because that principle was too white and too

0:59:03.320 --> 0:59:07.120
<v Speaker 5>uneducated to understand the racism is violence and that he

0:59:07.240 --> 0:59:10.800
<v Speaker 5>was funny. And that's what motivates me. Like you said,

0:59:11.160 --> 0:59:14.040
<v Speaker 5>the worst you can do is kill me. Yeah, if

0:59:14.040 --> 0:59:17.320
<v Speaker 5>that's the worst, okay, because the worst you can actually

0:59:17.400 --> 0:59:18.800
<v Speaker 5>do to me is arem my children.

0:59:20.280 --> 0:59:22.959
<v Speaker 6>I'll be damned if I let my children grow up in.

0:59:22.880 --> 0:59:26.720
<v Speaker 3>This world that's right, at least putting force some fucking

0:59:26.760 --> 0:59:28.040
<v Speaker 3>effort to change that part.

0:59:28.240 --> 0:59:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Trying. I gotta try, try.

0:59:31.080 --> 0:59:34.800
<v Speaker 5>I cannot let my children, who recognize what's happening in

0:59:34.800 --> 0:59:37.440
<v Speaker 5>the world when they finally become adults, look at me

0:59:37.480 --> 0:59:40.200
<v Speaker 5>and said, Daddy, what you do in twenty sixteen, what

0:59:40.320 --> 0:59:42.360
<v Speaker 5>you do in twenty twenty, what'd you do in twenty

0:59:42.400 --> 0:59:46.440
<v Speaker 5>twenty four. What'd you do when Donald Trumps ignore the

0:59:46.480 --> 0:59:48.760
<v Speaker 5>owners of the Supreme Court? What did you do when

0:59:48.800 --> 0:59:51.200
<v Speaker 5>Donald Trump was shipping people off to an outside of

0:59:51.240 --> 0:59:53.040
<v Speaker 5>door in prison without due process?

0:59:53.360 --> 0:59:53.720
<v Speaker 2>Daddy?

0:59:54.080 --> 0:59:55.000
<v Speaker 6>What did you do?

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<v Speaker 5>And I'll be damned if I look at my kids

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<v Speaker 5>in the eye and say nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to say, man. We always say that

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<v Speaker 2>we don't need allies, we need accomplices, man, And you're

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<v Speaker 2>definitely one of those accomplices. Man. And I just appreciate

1:00:09.840 --> 1:00:12.240
<v Speaker 2>you every day. Like sometimes, like I tell you, I

1:00:12.280 --> 1:00:15.400
<v Speaker 2>don't feel like I'm fighting enough. I'm doing enough because

1:00:15.680 --> 1:00:18.760
<v Speaker 2>you've taken on your own fight. And I know, to

1:00:19.240 --> 1:00:22.960
<v Speaker 2>confront people, you know, your own family members, people you've

1:00:22.960 --> 1:00:25.880
<v Speaker 2>grown up with, and confront them about something that they've

1:00:25.920 --> 1:00:30.320
<v Speaker 2>normalized so much, you know, and to really address that

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<v Speaker 2>and take and be disinvited from the family functions and

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<v Speaker 2>be kicked out of the house from your father and

1:00:36.520 --> 1:00:38.200
<v Speaker 2>have the shit beat out of you. You know what

1:00:38.240 --> 1:00:40.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying to really have to go through those things

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<v Speaker 2>just to stand on the side of what's right. It's

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<v Speaker 2>something different, man, And it's not even a fight that

1:00:48.400 --> 1:00:51.640
<v Speaker 2>you are plagued by every day, right, because I say

1:00:51.640 --> 1:00:55.240
<v Speaker 2>to myself, I'm a black man, I'm plagued by racism, right.

1:00:55.520 --> 1:00:58.840
<v Speaker 2>It affects me every day. I gotta go every day

1:00:58.840 --> 1:01:00.840
<v Speaker 2>I have to deal with that. I've grown up with.

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<v Speaker 2>My third grade teacher used to call me the N word,

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<v Speaker 2>and he used to look at me and tell me

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to do nothing. I'd be dead by

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<v Speaker 2>the time I was eighteen, and you know, and he

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<v Speaker 2>would just do things to me. And those things I've experienced,

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<v Speaker 2>So they pushed me to those things I experienced, being

1:01:17.360 --> 1:01:21.840
<v Speaker 2>incarcerated unfairly and sentenced with no crimes, really no crime

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<v Speaker 2>at anything, and having to spend seventeen years when I

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<v Speaker 2>know that there was a white counterpart that went home

1:01:28.400 --> 1:01:30.080
<v Speaker 2>with probation, and they said, we don't want to mess

1:01:30.160 --> 1:01:32.880
<v Speaker 2>up his college career. He's going to college. He has

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<v Speaker 2>no record, and you know, no one was hurt, so

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<v Speaker 2>we're just going to give him some I know those

1:01:37.720 --> 1:01:40.680
<v Speaker 2>things happened because I seen it happen, So I was

1:01:40.720 --> 1:01:44.280
<v Speaker 2>directly impacted by those things. So this fight that I

1:01:44.400 --> 1:01:49.200
<v Speaker 2>thought was fighting back, right, you chose to fight just

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<v Speaker 2>because it was the right thing to do, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and not a lot of people that just fight because

1:01:54.240 --> 1:01:56.840
<v Speaker 2>it's the right thing to do and who haven't been impacted.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just want to say thank you, and we

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<v Speaker 2>truly appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, truly, truly, truly you deserve all the honors. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like I tell people all the time, none

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<v Speaker 3>of this means we're perfect, because we're not perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>We mess out Aaron Donald exactly, We're not perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>Tim Scott, they could take We give him Byron Donalds,

1:02:18.320 --> 1:02:21.320
<v Speaker 2>Kennis Owns and Tim Scott and you can just.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on to But yeah, I did.

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<v Speaker 3>I do want to underscore that point that for those

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<v Speaker 3>who are listening. I know there's ten people and saying no,

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<v Speaker 3>but he did this to me and I didn't like

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<v Speaker 3>when he said that, and he did this that Yet

1:02:36.000 --> 1:02:38.960
<v Speaker 3>all of us, we know whatever he did to you,

1:02:39.200 --> 1:02:41.760
<v Speaker 3>he did it you're right, I get it, I understand.

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<v Speaker 3>But the overall point is that the work and the

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<v Speaker 3>mission and the authenticity is what's important. Can we all

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<v Speaker 3>improve certainly? Are we working on that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Should we be called in and have to have conversations, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like, you know, you took the credit for

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<v Speaker 3>my thing, you stepped on my top.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever that is.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, we should definitely reconcile those things. But it is

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<v Speaker 3>important to be able to lift your work jolly and

1:03:11.920 --> 1:03:16.320
<v Speaker 3>make sure that you feel supported, because not just your children,

1:03:16.600 --> 1:03:20.960
<v Speaker 3>but also for you. We all want to die with

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<v Speaker 3>a better place, and right now it's going back to

1:03:24.400 --> 1:03:27.600
<v Speaker 3>worse than it was before we were born. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>something that, as you said, I just can't sit by

1:03:30.240 --> 1:03:32.840
<v Speaker 3>and watch it happen. So I am very grateful for

1:03:32.880 --> 1:03:39.840
<v Speaker 3>you becoming one of the TMI show alumni. Yeah, you're

1:03:39.880 --> 1:03:43.680
<v Speaker 3>alumnion and you could come back anytime you want.

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<v Speaker 5>I've been on a lot of podcasts and with Tamika

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<v Speaker 5>here up last week, Hey on our podcast, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Reality TV shows. I've been on Discovery.

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<v Speaker 5>Channels, and I was really excited to be on your

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<v Speaker 5>podcast because to what I do appreciate to.

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<v Speaker 6>Work with you, dude, my sign.

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<v Speaker 5>I know your story about you know, how you incarcerated,

1:04:04.920 --> 1:04:07.440
<v Speaker 5>why you're incarcerated, and that shit means something to me.

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<v Speaker 6>And I hate the thank yous, and I hate when

1:04:10.920 --> 1:04:13.320
<v Speaker 6>people give me flowers. That's also you know.

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<v Speaker 5>That's my therapist, something that's a result of being an

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<v Speaker 5>abused child and not taking compliments well, but truth that

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<v Speaker 5>I think to myself, like you just said, I could

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<v Speaker 5>walk away tomorrow and just you know, assimilate into my

1:04:28.400 --> 1:04:34.200
<v Speaker 5>white supremacy and be okay. And so that's like a

1:04:34.280 --> 1:04:37.800
<v Speaker 5>motivating factor to me that the fact is we talk

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<v Speaker 5>about these things, we say.

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<v Speaker 6>These things happen, but they're not just fucking words and stories.

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<v Speaker 6>They really really happen.

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<v Speaker 5>And when we're watching what's happening right now, I think

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<v Speaker 5>the most fascinating part for me is we've talked about

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<v Speaker 5>this before. I've had these conversations in private. I've had

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<v Speaker 5>these conversations in public. If we do X y Z,

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<v Speaker 5>then ABC is going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>We did X y Z and.

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<v Speaker 5>ABC, sure as fuck's happening right now. And so seeing

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<v Speaker 5>it happen, seeing Donald Trump just absolutely dismantled the constitutions,

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<v Speaker 5>seeing America become nineteen thirties Germany.

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<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 5>It is overwhelming to the senses to see it happening,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think a lot of people are dealing with

1:05:23.200 --> 1:05:25.520
<v Speaker 5>it in different ways. But my message to everybody is

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<v Speaker 5>it is happening. This is not just fucking hyperbolieve, this.

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<v Speaker 6>Is not just a story.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not just political the fear mongering and emotional right,

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<v Speaker 1>this is.

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<v Speaker 6>Real life happening. And every single moment in American.

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<v Speaker 5>History where human rights were literally in the fire, the

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<v Speaker 5>defining factor between good and evil was the people. And

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<v Speaker 5>so your grandchildren are going to ask you one day,

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<v Speaker 5>what did you do right now in this moment? And

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<v Speaker 5>my only question to you is what the fuck's gonna

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<v Speaker 5>be here?

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<v Speaker 2>Answer?

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, jolly, We appreciate you, Russell Ellis. Thank you

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<v Speaker 3>for joining the TMI Show today and keep doing your work.

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<v Speaker 5>Brother.

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<v Speaker 1>We support you.

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<v Speaker 3>We are here to be partners and to figure out

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<v Speaker 3>ways to fight back. You know, I think what we

1:06:21.800 --> 1:06:24.920
<v Speaker 3>need one another right now more than ever, and we

1:06:25.080 --> 1:06:28.600
<v Speaker 3>are certainly very appreciative of your work and will continue

1:06:28.640 --> 1:06:30.400
<v Speaker 3>to support you as we hope that you do the

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<v Speaker 3>same for us.

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<v Speaker 6>Everything y'all doing. Thank you so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 6>I respect both of you, and I thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the only thing that's necessary for evil to prospers,

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<v Speaker 2>for good men to do nothing.

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<v Speaker 6>Man, thanks, I stand by. It's so true.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Shout out to our brother Russell Ellis aka Jolly Good.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying. It's an energy that he has. Man. Look,

1:06:57.840 --> 1:07:02.480
<v Speaker 2>he has this, he has this revolutionary Santa Claus. Look

1:07:02.560 --> 1:07:06.560
<v Speaker 2>about him, right, he looks like the cool white guy

1:07:06.760 --> 1:07:09.440
<v Speaker 2>with the bed, but he has this fire in him

1:07:09.680 --> 1:07:12.600
<v Speaker 2>and it's about justice. So I love him. I appreciate him.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, people like are you racist? Everything is no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not racist. I'm just anti white supremacy. It ain't

1:07:18.640 --> 1:07:21.040
<v Speaker 2>white people, it's white supremacy. And when you when you

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<v Speaker 2>on the side of what's right, I'm with you. If

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<v Speaker 2>you speaking against negativity, you speaking against fascism, or you

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<v Speaker 2>speaking against racism, if you're speaking against all isms and

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<v Speaker 2>you're speaking on the side of what's right, then I'm

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<v Speaker 2>with you. Don't try to put that on me because

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<v Speaker 2>you mad that. I'm not gonna let you do racist

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<v Speaker 2>shit or say racist shit, or be comfortable in racism.

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<v Speaker 2>And we even got our own people that say, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you're racist because you talked, No, I'm not racist. I

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<v Speaker 2>am a person of conscious right Eve. When a person

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<v Speaker 2>of good conscious understands what racism does and he's able

1:07:55.080 --> 1:08:01.040
<v Speaker 2>to identify racism and speak against racism all the time, mister,

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<v Speaker 2>mister jolly good Ginger is one of our accomplices. As

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<v Speaker 2>we like to say, no more allies, man. So I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate him, y'ad.

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<v Speaker 1>I love him. He's good people.

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<v Speaker 3>He's good people, and I don't I've never heard anybody

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<v Speaker 3>say anything bad about him. But I bet you if

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<v Speaker 3>I did some research, somebody I can find. I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>talking about dumbfolk. The opposition to my eye phone.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet I know that.

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<v Speaker 3>When they see him on the thing, I can't believe

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<v Speaker 3>you would have him. Don't you know that in nineteen

1:08:35.760 --> 1:08:39.600
<v Speaker 3>seventy three he said this? And don't you know that

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<v Speaker 3>he did this and he stole my credit and he

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<v Speaker 3>was named that the so and so and I was

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<v Speaker 3>the one did the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Set already know.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm I'm with him because I see, I know

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<v Speaker 3>what he's doing is very dangerous, Like seriously, it's very well.

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<v Speaker 2>I ask a question, like, I know you do you

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<v Speaker 2>get death threats and you fear for your life because

1:09:00.360 --> 1:09:03.160
<v Speaker 2>the white people mad at us and we're black, and

1:09:03.320 --> 1:09:05.200
<v Speaker 2>they mad at us because we're black and were speaking

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<v Speaker 2>against I know, but I'm just trying to say, I

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<v Speaker 2>know how mad they ought to see black people speak

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<v Speaker 2>against white supremacy. So when they feel like they got

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<v Speaker 2>a trader and.

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<v Speaker 1>They have killed the many, and they have killed the many,

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<v Speaker 1>and they have killed.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a person that's he's a trader of white supremacy.

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<v Speaker 2>He's denounced white supremacy and he's gonna stand on the

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<v Speaker 2>good side. And speaking of the good side, that brings

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<v Speaker 2>me to my I don't get it for today. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you haven't been up to speed, there's a young

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<v Speaker 2>man by the name of Carmelo Anthony, a black young man.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's about seventeen years of age. He's been

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<v Speaker 2>accused of murder of Austin Metcalf. Now, the circumstances surrounding

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<v Speaker 2>his death was there was a game of sports game

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<v Speaker 2>that they were at. He was sitting in the seat

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<v Speaker 2>which was actually his seat, was he Carmelo Carmelo Carmelo

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<v Speaker 2>was sitting in the seat who was actually his, which

1:10:06.360 --> 1:10:09.360
<v Speaker 2>was actually his seat, and two white guys woke up

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<v Speaker 2>to him threatening him, and he defended itself. Allegedly, this

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<v Speaker 2>is what from witnesses saying that he was sitting there

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<v Speaker 2>and he told him don't put their hands on him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think I saw.

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<v Speaker 3>Ben Crump wrote about this too, and and because Ben

1:10:26.240 --> 1:10:28.640
<v Speaker 3>was asked to look at it and to make you

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<v Speaker 3>give an objective opinion. And you know, Ben, he don't

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<v Speaker 3>play if it ain't right.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's other video servicing where you've seen another situation

1:10:39.080 --> 1:10:41.280
<v Speaker 2>where a white man was doing something to him, being

1:10:41.320 --> 1:10:44.040
<v Speaker 2>aggressive to him, or he was just interviewed. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>who he was sitting there interviewing a white guy and

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<v Speaker 2>somebody was very disrespectful to him and his camera man

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<v Speaker 2>was he.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? So Carmelo Anthony was interviewing.

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<v Speaker 2>Interviewing a white guy in another scenario and it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>even at the game. He was just on campus interviewing

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<v Speaker 2>the white guy and the guy came over with disrespecting

1:11:07.280 --> 1:11:09.080
<v Speaker 2>him and his camera man, and you can see he

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<v Speaker 2>was polite. He was like, hey, what's going on here?

1:11:10.760 --> 1:11:12.080
<v Speaker 2>Like why would he talk to my camera?

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<v Speaker 4>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>And they they left without incident. So then at the school,

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<v Speaker 2>so now at this game that they were at you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Witnesses say that he was sitting in the seat. They

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<v Speaker 2>told him to get up, he said, on this is

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<v Speaker 2>my seat. They threatened him, he told him, don't put

1:11:29.040 --> 1:11:33.960
<v Speaker 2>your hands on me, and allegedly, based on witnesses testimony,

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<v Speaker 2>they jumped him.

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<v Speaker 3>And they being Austin Metcalf, Metcalf and another guy all

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<v Speaker 3>still the same age, right, because that's the game, that's right.

1:11:48.040 --> 1:11:51.480
<v Speaker 3>I really am asking these questions because I've seen it everywhere,

1:11:51.800 --> 1:11:54.400
<v Speaker 3>and I saw you talking about it, and I read

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<v Speaker 3>a statement from Ben that I thought was really powerful,

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<v Speaker 3>but I really did not know all the details because

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<v Speaker 3>of so many other things we've been dealing with.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm really trying to understand.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is what happened. And then allegedly he had

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<v Speaker 2>a knife over a pocket knife, and in his defense,

1:12:09.640 --> 1:12:14.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, he decided he used the knife and Austin

1:12:14.080 --> 1:12:18.800
<v Speaker 2>Metcalf was pronounced dead at the scene. So, and there's

1:12:18.840 --> 1:12:22.760
<v Speaker 2>been a lot of just different outlooks, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>for one, believe that the man deserves his day in court,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and if what they say happened, allegedly that

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<v Speaker 2>these people gemmed him and he was defending himself, then

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<v Speaker 2>that will come out in court as well, you know,

1:12:36.400 --> 1:12:38.479
<v Speaker 2>and a lot of people have raised money against for

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<v Speaker 2>him to make sure that he has a legal defense

1:12:42.320 --> 1:12:45.800
<v Speaker 2>team that could accurately defense him, like just like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we have Kyle Ridhouse Naus or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Is Kyle Rittenhouse.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even care, and all you know, they they

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<v Speaker 2>constantly make sure that the white guys who commit murdered

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<v Speaker 2>against black people have the adequate you know, defense teams

1:13:01.320 --> 1:13:04.720
<v Speaker 2>and money for it. So people were angry about him

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<v Speaker 2>being able to raise money. So you know, I've been

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<v Speaker 2>very vocal about that, but I've seen this video today

1:13:11.360 --> 1:13:19.599
<v Speaker 2>that was quite enlightening. Now there is a group called

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<v Speaker 2>Protect White Americans and it's an anti white violence coalition.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the guys who was there, his name

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<v Speaker 2>is Jack Lane. He was speaking, he was being interviewed,

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<v Speaker 2>and the father of Austin Metcalf was on the phone

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<v Speaker 2>and Jack was telling him, hey were very strong. If

1:13:42.120 --> 1:13:44.960
<v Speaker 2>you came down to sit down here with us as

1:13:45.040 --> 1:13:47.200
<v Speaker 2>we advocate for your son, it will be very strong.

1:13:47.880 --> 1:13:55.120
<v Speaker 2>And now listen, Austin Metcalf's father wants justice for his son.

1:13:55.880 --> 1:13:58.960
<v Speaker 2>His name is Jeff Metcalf. He wants justice for his

1:13:59.040 --> 1:14:01.280
<v Speaker 2>son his son was killed than as any father would.

1:14:01.640 --> 1:14:04.439
<v Speaker 2>He wants to see whoever did it held accountable. That's

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<v Speaker 2>that's a real thing. But what he said was so powerful.

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<v Speaker 2>He realized that this Jacqueline guy and Protect White Americans

1:14:13.800 --> 1:14:19.720
<v Speaker 2>organization Anti White Violence, which okay, organization was trying to

1:14:20.000 --> 1:14:25.720
<v Speaker 2>use his son's likeness in situation to promote racial division. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>because most people are not saying that this situation was

1:14:29.080 --> 1:14:31.960
<v Speaker 2>racially motivated. They were saying, it's a self defense situation.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it depends on which way where when the racism began,

1:14:36.600 --> 1:14:40.479
<v Speaker 3>because it's possible that those two white guys going to

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<v Speaker 3>Carmelo Anthony and telling him to get out of his

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<v Speaker 3>seat that may have been racially may have been, but.

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<v Speaker 2>That hasn't been the theme of it, Okay. The theme

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<v Speaker 2>of this situation was two people approached one person, he

1:14:54.400 --> 1:14:57.960
<v Speaker 2>defended itself, and he's happened to be white, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the person who lost their life having to be white,

1:15:00.360 --> 1:15:03.360
<v Speaker 2>and the young man happened to be black, and black

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<v Speaker 2>people are saying this man had a right to defend

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<v Speaker 2>himself against two people and the man's father and everybody else,

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<v Speaker 2>and most people are saying that he had the right.

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<v Speaker 1>To live so that they gotta go to court.

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<v Speaker 2>They need to. So what these people are trying to

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<v Speaker 2>do now is make it seem like there was violence

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<v Speaker 2>against a white person that it was just it was

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<v Speaker 2>good because he was because he was white. That's why

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<v Speaker 2>he lost his life.

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<v Speaker 3>And the fact that the black guy is able to

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<v Speaker 3>raise money means they're trying to trying to I saw

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<v Speaker 3>something about this. They're trying to pretty much equate it

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<v Speaker 3>with Dylan Ruth and Kyle rittenhou Is, like, oh, y'all

1:15:48.560 --> 1:15:51.439
<v Speaker 3>was mad about that, So now why you're not mad

1:15:51.479 --> 1:15:55.559
<v Speaker 3>at a black boy has raised X amount of dollars

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<v Speaker 3>in his defense against a white man, a white young

1:15:59.280 --> 1:16:02.680
<v Speaker 3>young man. Right. But the thing about it is, and

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<v Speaker 3>also it's important to say because this is what I read,

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<v Speaker 3>that the money that was raised went through a channel

1:16:10.840 --> 1:16:15.200
<v Speaker 3>that stopped it before distributes, because they're now doing legal

1:16:15.240 --> 1:16:17.639
<v Speaker 3>stuff to find out how is the money being used.

1:16:18.040 --> 1:16:23.759
<v Speaker 3>So actually, Carmelo Anthony has not benefited from the money

1:16:23.800 --> 1:16:26.800
<v Speaker 3>that was raised. So they just wanted they was out

1:16:26.840 --> 1:16:28.800
<v Speaker 3>there the other day like let's just start with the

1:16:29.280 --> 1:16:33.960
<v Speaker 3>misinformation and the jumping to conclusions we don't know yet

1:16:34.680 --> 1:16:35.479
<v Speaker 3>about that money.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, exactly, and this Jacquline guy was actually trying

1:16:42.600 --> 1:16:47.400
<v Speaker 2>to utilize Austin Metcalf as a poster boy for this

1:16:47.640 --> 1:16:50.960
<v Speaker 2>anti white violence. And the father said, you know, I

1:16:51.040 --> 1:16:54.600
<v Speaker 2>don't want my son's face, likeness or anything associated with

1:16:54.720 --> 1:16:57.240
<v Speaker 2>you got because what you trying to do is cause

1:16:57.360 --> 1:17:00.600
<v Speaker 2>racial division and that's not what this is about. I

1:17:00.680 --> 1:17:02.719
<v Speaker 2>don't respect what you do, and I don't want anything

1:17:02.840 --> 1:17:05.360
<v Speaker 2>to do with you. Take my son, Take my son's

1:17:05.439 --> 1:17:09.840
<v Speaker 2>face and everything off. And Jack Lane said, this is weakness, sir,

1:17:10.040 --> 1:17:12.560
<v Speaker 2>this is white guilt. You know, you're showing weakness. And

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<v Speaker 2>then it was and it happened to be this.

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<v Speaker 1>The rack they got, and it happened to be and.

1:17:22.320 --> 1:17:24.880
<v Speaker 2>It happened to be a black guy tap dancing in

1:17:24.920 --> 1:17:28.080
<v Speaker 2>the back line, black guy speaking, you know it is

1:17:28.200 --> 1:17:32.760
<v Speaker 2>we just showing weakness and do you even talking? It

1:17:32.920 --> 1:17:35.880
<v Speaker 2>was so like, what what are you even talking about?

1:17:36.000 --> 1:17:40.040
<v Speaker 2>Black guy? Sir? What what he said? Because he was

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<v Speaker 2>Jack jack Lane told he was on the phone.

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<v Speaker 3>With the dad.

1:17:43.960 --> 1:17:46.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he told Jack that they were out in public.

1:17:47.479 --> 1:17:51.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay, listening, he got the camera, they got the phone.

1:17:51.320 --> 1:17:53.519
<v Speaker 2>It's a guy. Let him listen to it. Jeff is

1:17:53.640 --> 1:17:58.400
<v Speaker 2>saying and jack Lane looks at him and said, looking

1:17:58.439 --> 1:18:01.400
<v Speaker 2>at the phone, and said, sounds like white guilt, sir,

1:18:01.479 --> 1:18:04.960
<v Speaker 2>it's white Guilt's showing weakness. You should be standing with us.

1:18:05.000 --> 1:18:06.519
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, no, I don't want to stand with

1:18:07.120 --> 1:18:10.040
<v Speaker 2>some ship that I know is bigotry. And then you're

1:18:10.080 --> 1:18:13.479
<v Speaker 2>trying to use my son to promote your racist bullshit,

1:18:13.479 --> 1:18:15.760
<v Speaker 2>and we not with that. And then there's a black

1:18:15.800 --> 1:18:18.680
<v Speaker 2>guy in the back. He leans over black guy here,

1:18:18.800 --> 1:18:23.240
<v Speaker 2>Black guy here. It is showing weakness. And I'm just like, bro,

1:18:23.360 --> 1:18:25.120
<v Speaker 2>what you even gonna have to do? Let them people

1:18:25.240 --> 1:18:25.760
<v Speaker 2>handle their.

1:18:27.960 --> 1:18:33.519
<v Speaker 1>You because I want to put him on.

1:18:34.080 --> 1:18:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Somebody get his name, because we need to talk to him.

1:18:39.320 --> 1:18:41.080
<v Speaker 2>I need to have a conversation because I need to

1:18:41.160 --> 1:18:43.960
<v Speaker 2>understand what is he even talking about. But what I

1:18:44.120 --> 1:18:49.320
<v Speaker 2>just don't get is why are people trying to utilize

1:18:49.360 --> 1:18:52.320
<v Speaker 2>this situation for racial division? Right? Why are you mad

1:18:52.680 --> 1:18:55.400
<v Speaker 2>at a father who doesn't want to his face, his

1:18:55.560 --> 1:18:58.360
<v Speaker 2>son's face, to be utilized in something that he doesn't

1:18:58.400 --> 1:18:58.800
<v Speaker 2>stand for.

1:18:59.640 --> 1:19:01.120
<v Speaker 1>Right, You're gonna force the man.

1:19:01.280 --> 1:19:04.960
<v Speaker 2>Gon force the man to be with the racism, because

1:19:05.000 --> 1:19:07.360
<v Speaker 2>you with the racism. You want him to be with

1:19:07.439 --> 1:19:10.040
<v Speaker 2>the anti white violence, which is not really a thing,

1:19:10.400 --> 1:19:12.800
<v Speaker 2>because you know, it's not really a thing. It's not

1:19:13.560 --> 1:19:19.479
<v Speaker 2>something that's overwhelmingly impacting our communities. So why would you

1:19:19.920 --> 1:19:22.760
<v Speaker 2>want to utilize this boy in this situation and be

1:19:22.960 --> 1:19:25.799
<v Speaker 2>mad at him and call him weak? Like the crazy

1:19:25.840 --> 1:19:28.559
<v Speaker 2>shit is that you gonna call that man weak? Well,

1:19:28.840 --> 1:19:32.320
<v Speaker 2>that man lost his son. You got the gall You

1:19:32.479 --> 1:19:34.519
<v Speaker 2>got the gall to sit there and tell that man

1:19:34.600 --> 1:19:36.560
<v Speaker 2>he's weak because he don't want to be involved with

1:19:36.640 --> 1:19:40.240
<v Speaker 2>your situation, like somebody, these people need some help. Man,

1:19:40.720 --> 1:19:44.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Look, white privilege and white supremacy go

1:19:44.360 --> 1:19:46.680
<v Speaker 2>hand in hand because black people would never say we

1:19:46.840 --> 1:19:49.040
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't give for what was going on. White people Black

1:19:49.080 --> 1:19:50.760
<v Speaker 2>purchase saying I don't want my son to do this.

1:19:54.200 --> 1:19:58.880
<v Speaker 3>We had situations where we think, family, you think it's

1:19:58.920 --> 1:20:01.000
<v Speaker 3>supposed to be a fight, we're getting out there, were

1:20:01.000 --> 1:20:04.360
<v Speaker 3>about to show up, and I don't want to be

1:20:04.439 --> 1:20:06.439
<v Speaker 3>associated with that. We don't believe in that.

1:20:07.040 --> 1:20:07.800
<v Speaker 1>That stuff is.

1:20:08.400 --> 1:20:11.040
<v Speaker 3>You know, I could think of a family that was

1:20:11.200 --> 1:20:14.880
<v Speaker 3>like that in a major case and the reason and

1:20:14.920 --> 1:20:17.719
<v Speaker 3>people will be they'll see me in the street or online,

1:20:17.720 --> 1:20:19.360
<v Speaker 3>they'll be like, why didn't.

1:20:19.160 --> 1:20:20.400
<v Speaker 1>We do anything about stuff?

1:20:20.400 --> 1:20:22.519
<v Speaker 3>What happened with such and such, and of course, well

1:20:22.680 --> 1:20:26.839
<v Speaker 3>I don't say that because the integrity of the family

1:20:27.080 --> 1:20:29.240
<v Speaker 3>is also important. So you don't want to be like,

1:20:29.320 --> 1:20:31.880
<v Speaker 3>well they didn't want to anybody to stand up for that.

1:20:32.080 --> 1:20:34.000
<v Speaker 3>You just say, you know what, it just you know,

1:20:34.080 --> 1:20:36.400
<v Speaker 3>there are other people that are handling it. I'm not

1:20:36.560 --> 1:20:39.719
<v Speaker 3>really involved in that situation anymore, but I certainly pray

1:20:39.920 --> 1:20:42.599
<v Speaker 3>for or hope that whatever, and just kind of let

1:20:42.680 --> 1:20:42.840
<v Speaker 3>it go.

1:20:43.360 --> 1:20:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, you got black.

1:20:45.240 --> 1:20:47.640
<v Speaker 3>Folks that's in the background, who's supposed to be the

1:20:47.720 --> 1:20:50.160
<v Speaker 3>family members of tomorrow. I don't associate with that. I

1:20:50.200 --> 1:20:53.200
<v Speaker 3>don't think that all police are bad. I you know,

1:20:53.400 --> 1:20:56.880
<v Speaker 3>I stand with the cops and I want peace and

1:20:57.040 --> 1:20:58.040
<v Speaker 3>I you know, and it's.

1:20:58.000 --> 1:21:02.519
<v Speaker 1>Just like, gotcha, you got it. I never said that

1:21:02.600 --> 1:21:04.840
<v Speaker 1>all police was bad. Where you get that from? But

1:21:04.880 --> 1:21:06.920
<v Speaker 1>as soon as they say that, as.

1:21:06.840 --> 1:21:09.439
<v Speaker 3>Soon as they say that, I don't believe that all

1:21:09.479 --> 1:21:12.360
<v Speaker 3>police are bad, and I don't want you know already

1:21:12.439 --> 1:21:14.240
<v Speaker 3>the mindset that's coming behind you.

1:21:14.439 --> 1:21:17.760
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, once you say that, we can't galvanize

1:21:18.240 --> 1:21:23.360
<v Speaker 2>the people to speak against this individual because you've already nullified.

1:21:22.880 --> 1:21:25.840
<v Speaker 1>The fight, right, So, and if people like that and

1:21:25.960 --> 1:21:26.559
<v Speaker 1>we back up.

1:21:26.560 --> 1:21:31.080
<v Speaker 2>And because that's your ideology, that's your theory of your

1:21:31.200 --> 1:21:34.759
<v Speaker 2>child and also your child or your family member, whoever

1:21:34.800 --> 1:21:37.000
<v Speaker 2>it is. And if you're in charge and you don't

1:21:37.040 --> 1:21:40.400
<v Speaker 2>want the fight for your child to happen in that manner,

1:21:41.000 --> 1:21:43.599
<v Speaker 2>then people have to respect it. But not this white man.

1:21:43.640 --> 1:21:47.760
<v Speaker 2>He called the man weak and dealing with he told me,

1:21:47.880 --> 1:21:49.479
<v Speaker 2>dealing with white guilt and the black man.

1:21:49.640 --> 1:21:51.920
<v Speaker 3>So this week or you're giving in or you're going

1:21:52.000 --> 1:21:54.240
<v Speaker 3>to create more awestin people.

1:21:54.800 --> 1:21:56.599
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, it's.

1:21:56.400 --> 1:21:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Gonna be more medcasts because of you. It's like, come on, man,

1:21:59.840 --> 1:22:03.160
<v Speaker 2>it's like, we just gotta do better and white black

1:22:03.200 --> 1:22:07.000
<v Speaker 2>people mind their business. Man, where would you come from?

1:22:07.080 --> 1:22:12.439
<v Speaker 2>Why did that man say that black person here it

1:22:12.600 --> 1:22:15.160
<v Speaker 2>is weakness? And he leaned back up and you just

1:22:15.240 --> 1:22:18.200
<v Speaker 2>looked at his face and said, he got his good

1:22:18.240 --> 1:22:19.400
<v Speaker 2>old tap dancing shoes.

1:22:19.479 --> 1:22:20.280
<v Speaker 1>I have to see him.

1:22:20.640 --> 1:22:22.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, somebody got to give me his name. Please.

1:22:22.920 --> 1:22:24.920
<v Speaker 2>If y'all find his name, please put it under there,

1:22:24.960 --> 1:22:26.680
<v Speaker 2>because I need to know who he is. We need

1:22:26.720 --> 1:22:30.479
<v Speaker 2>to bring him to the round table. Man. There's that

1:22:30.920 --> 1:22:33.640
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<v Speaker 2>gonna always be wrong, but we will both always and

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<v Speaker 2>I mean always, be authentic.