Speaker 1: I'm Tamika d.
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Speaker 1: Name new Energy. What's going on?
Speaker 2: My son lennon long weekend?
Speaker 1: But I'm here long no long week.
Speaker 2: Well, the weekend seemed like it was the whole week.
Speaker 1: It's been a lot going on.
Speaker 3: But at least spring it's trying to fight. Fighting day
Speaker 3: I needed and I you know, I didn't. You know,
Speaker 3: I didn't get to go outside that day until the
Speaker 3: sun came down. Well because I was dealing with Target
Speaker 3: all day, all day long, so I never got a
Speaker 3: chance to get up from my computer the whole entire day.
Speaker 3: On the eighty degree day, I went out with you know,
Speaker 3: She's Canvas but MS Diddy forever to us for us.
Speaker 1: We went out to eat at like eight, That's what.
Speaker 2: It was. It was really beautiful shop.
Speaker 1: It was nice at night time.
Speaker 2: Because I went like Easter shopping for the kids and
Speaker 2: brought them some clothes and stuff. Resurrections Resurrection Sunday, you know,
Speaker 2: because people so listen, I don't really, I'm not really
Speaker 2: for the holidays and all that. You know, I try
Speaker 2: to stay away from holidays, but there's a certain feeling
Speaker 2: during certain days, whether we call them holidays.
Speaker 1: East outfit, Yeah, but you got to get.
Speaker 2: You an Eastern outfit. Like if you're from the hood,
Speaker 2: you know that that Eastern outfit is paramount. You got
Speaker 2: to get you a good Eastern outfit, and you've got
Speaker 2: to go outside.
Speaker 1: You gotta, like I gotta go somewhere.
Speaker 2: God too, because I remember, I swear to I remember,
Speaker 2: like my mother, we didn't have much, but she knew
Speaker 2: that we had to have an Eastern outfit.
Speaker 3: No, I'm telling you, that's to give me. She's to
Speaker 3: give me one hundred dollars. And now you know I
Speaker 3: lived in Manhattanville and Harlem, so she gave me one
Speaker 3: hundred dollars. My homegirl, who lived in thirty three thirty three,
Speaker 3: which was right behind Manhattanville.
Speaker 1: You know, you see it, You see the area.
Speaker 3: Anybody who lived in these places knows exactly what I'm
Speaker 3: talking about. And she and I used to meet on
Speaker 3: the corner. We had our hundred dollars in our pockets
Speaker 3: and we had to go to one twenty fifth Street
Speaker 3: and go up and down until we found a pair
Speaker 3: of sneakers, which was usually a new pair of fifty
Speaker 3: four elevens, and then you had forty dollars and some
Speaker 3: change to get you a pair of jeans, a little
Speaker 3: shirt or something.
Speaker 1: But you was getting you an east outh.
Speaker 4: Go.
Speaker 2: I had to get you an east out and.
Speaker 1: You had to sit in the hairstyle in the hair
Speaker 1: salon all damn day.
Speaker 3: It was, it was, it was. It was Friday night.
Speaker 3: Listen to get the doobie. Friday night when my mother
Speaker 3: got off work. Because now my dad, my dad paid
Speaker 3: the bills right, and he might I don't know what
Speaker 3: did what him and my mama business was, but I
Speaker 3: do know that he paid the bills, and my mother's
Speaker 3: paycheck was used for hair bowls and going, you know,
Speaker 3: out and get your little stuff and your things, stuff
Speaker 3: that he don't be knowing about, don't need, didn't know about,
Speaker 3: and he ain't involved with. So Friday night she get
Speaker 3: her check, she would have me meet her at the
Speaker 3: hair salon to get my dubie. It was down on
Speaker 3: one twenty fifth Street to a guy named Roy used
Speaker 3: to hook me up.
Speaker 1: Roy was a crackhead also so Roy used.
Speaker 2: To Roy crack has been multi purpose.
Speaker 1: He used to do good head, but he was there.
Speaker 2: Yes, they did mechanics. They was, you know, a crackhead.
Speaker 2: This one I'm trying to crack fucked us up because
Speaker 2: it was so skilled, a real and you just didn't
Speaker 2: You would just see them in this crackish mold. But
Speaker 2: they were so skilled and it was beyond skilled, you
Speaker 2: know what.
Speaker 3: And let me correct myself. I shouldn't call him a crackhead.
Speaker 3: He was a drug add he was addicted, but at
Speaker 3: the time it was a crackhead because he would like
Speaker 3: beat there. He was good and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: everybody be gonna where is Roy.
Speaker 1: But he knew that. He knew Easter though he.
Speaker 2: Was because he needed to get the money. That's his
Speaker 2: money for that's.
Speaker 1: Working for Easter brouh. He did what he had to do.
Speaker 3: So anyway, we go get our outfit and then on
Speaker 3: Sunday you got.
Speaker 1: To go somewhere.
Speaker 2: That's usually we did. We did the movie, so we
Speaker 2: just will be in Halem just rooming around. But you
Speaker 2: had to you had to go and get your outfit.
Speaker 1: But my parents never let us think Easter was an Easter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they'd be like this ain't this is just a
Speaker 3: day for us to do something that we do.
Speaker 2: That's what we did when I shopped and it was
Speaker 2: hot in all the stores, and then went to a
Speaker 2: baby shower, enjoyed that and the kids enjoy you know,
Speaker 2: kids like and then I was exhausted. And then next
Speaker 2: day we went to some game room, dope game room,
Speaker 2: and the kids enjoyed theirself with that, and then we
Speaker 2: had a batch and I was exhausted again.
Speaker 3: The same same I hosted. My my granddaughter was in town.
Speaker 3: We went to church with her her cousin and they're
Speaker 3: both two and three years old. So I was saying
Speaker 3: that I spent a lot of time talking about I mean,
Speaker 3: dealing with Target all week. You know a lot of
Speaker 3: people saw that last week, you know, things kind of
Speaker 3: it just was like all of a sudden, all this
Speaker 3: stuff got in the media because it was announced that
Speaker 3: Reverend Sharpton was having a meeting with the Target executives
Speaker 3: now and then so and there were people who were
Speaker 3: upset because they were like, well, where's Jamal Bryant and
Speaker 3: you know, and then people were tagging and saying where's
Speaker 3: Tamika Mallory And of course Nina Turner, who leads we
Speaker 3: are somebody and until freedom was a part of it.
Speaker 3: And then you have folks saying, where are the people
Speaker 3: from Minneapolis?
Speaker 1: So people were pissed.
Speaker 3: Off because they like, we ain't heard Reverend Sharpton involved
Speaker 3: in this target situation, So like, how did he all
Speaker 3: of a sudden get centered and why is he the
Speaker 3: one having a meeting?
Speaker 1: And so you know, that turned into a whole thing.
Speaker 3: And I think a part of it is that social
Speaker 3: media and the Internet does not always give us an
Speaker 3: opportunity to fully discuss everything so people will be able
Speaker 3: to get a clear picture of what's going on. Just
Speaker 3: for quick points of reference, Number one, I worked for
Speaker 3: Reverend Sharpton for a very very long time. You know,
Speaker 3: fourteen years I did within nan and it was even
Speaker 3: before that, but fourteen years I was on the payroll.
Speaker 3: And I can tell you that the issues around diversity, equity, inclusion,
Speaker 3: holding corporations accountable, all of that he has.
Speaker 1: Been doing for a long long time.
Speaker 3: And there's a history of it that comes from Operation
Speaker 3: bread Baskets, which is Reverend Jackson.
Speaker 1: Remember I've given this.
Speaker 3: History before for people who don't know that one of
Speaker 3: the reasons why we understand.
Speaker 1: The attacks on DEI is because we know they know
Speaker 1: they know.
Speaker 3: The people who want to roll back DEI understand there
Speaker 3: is a history of how diversity, equity and inclusion became
Speaker 3: a thing that you hold that with the fact that,
Speaker 3: of course other groups have benefited from it and it's
Speaker 3: been infiltrated by other people.
Speaker 1: We get all of that.
Speaker 3: We're not saying that diversity, equity and inclusion as it
Speaker 3: stands is perfect, or that it is you know that
Speaker 3: it is a that it is great. Put it that way.
Speaker 3: We're not saying that. We're saying we know it's not
Speaker 3: we know it's still inequitable. Sure, Nonetheless, we understand that
Speaker 3: the reason why it's being attacked is because black people
Speaker 3: are under attack and women are under attack. And so
Speaker 3: that's that, you know, putting that in in perspective. So
Speaker 3: Reverend Sharpton has been doing this work around diversity, equity
Speaker 3: and inclusion and holding corporations accountable for a long, long,
Speaker 3: long long time, many many many years, more than thirty years.
Speaker 3: He's been engaged in that area and has a great
Speaker 3: level of expertise in terms of how to get corporations
Speaker 3: to have to deal with black folks and our issues
Speaker 3: and demands, and so it is not unusual for a
Speaker 3: corporation to call.
Speaker 1: Him and want to meet with him. So he got the.
Speaker 3: Call and he called Reverend Bryant, Jamal Bryant, and asked him, hey,
Speaker 3: Target wants to meet.
Speaker 1: Now. Another thing.
Speaker 3: For the last I think sixty something weeks, I think
Speaker 3: it's been sixty something weeks, there has been a national
Speaker 3: action network has been protesting outside of the office of
Speaker 3: I forget his first name, but I know his last
Speaker 3: name is Acman. And this guy is the one who
Speaker 3: pretty much started the fight against the Fearless Fund, which
Speaker 3: is where this DEI think sort of first started to come.
Speaker 3: It came from that because the women from the Fearless
Speaker 3: Fund are funding black women own businesses, and this guy
Speaker 3: Ackman started a campaign and actually sued them to say
Speaker 3: it was unconstitutional, and you know and all of that.
Speaker 1: And so Sharpton has been.
Speaker 3: In the space of this whole diversity, equity and inclusion
Speaker 3: piece since the beginning. So there was a prime but
Speaker 3: the details of it was to be discussed, as Jamal
Speaker 3: did at church on Sunday, and then there's a town
Speaker 3: hall meeting on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: But again social media things move at the speed of lightning.
Speaker 3: So once it's out there that there's a meeting, people's
Speaker 3: opinion and feeling and this and that.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying they shouldn't have that.
Speaker 3: There should be accountability across the board because all of
Speaker 3: us are out here managing something that other people, two
Speaker 3: hundred thousand people have signed up for.
Speaker 1: But there are people who never signed the petition.
Speaker 3: At all who are boycotting Target, And people want to
Speaker 3: know what are y'all meeting about, and what's happening and
Speaker 3: who's doing what, and they have the right to know
Speaker 3: those things.
Speaker 2: The headlines didget out there, and I think that's precisely
Speaker 2: my point. As seasoned leaders, we have to understand that
Speaker 2: people are going to sensationalize headlines. So if we understand that,
Speaker 2: then we have to be intentional about what gets out
Speaker 2: there and how we organize things. So this is what
Speaker 2: my main point was, that people have to be very aware,
Speaker 2: intentional and strategic, specially when we this season as leaders, all.
Speaker 3: These people who are a part of this effort, that
Speaker 3: we understand our power is working because Target is even
Speaker 3: calling people for meetings. And another thing that's Reverend Sharpton
Speaker 3: is not the only person that Target met with in
Speaker 3: the civil rights community. They've been meeting with different groups, right,
Speaker 3: and it just so happened that we know about the
Speaker 3: meeting with Reverend Sharpton, But there are other people who
Speaker 3: had meetings that we don't know anything about having heard
Speaker 3: from them on what went on or what took place.
Speaker 3: But one thing I can say is that nobody agreed
Speaker 3: to end the boycott or to stop it. People have
Speaker 3: just been listening and allowing Target to explain to them
Speaker 3: where they stand, and also doubling down on the idea
Speaker 3: that we don't agree with the decision you all made
Speaker 3: on January twenty fourth or twenty fifth to say that
Speaker 3: you're rolling back DEI because get us what Costcos didn't
Speaker 3: roll theirs back. Delta didn't roll theirs back. So what
Speaker 3: is different between you Target and these other companies who
Speaker 3: have stood ten toes down and chose not to cower
Speaker 3: to Donald Trump and align themselves with bigotry and Nina Turners.
Speaker 1: We now have met with Target.
Speaker 3: We have we've met with an executive from Target, Nina
Speaker 3: turn On, myself and Jamal Bryant where we talk to
Speaker 3: them about the demands. Ugain reiterated the demands and have
Speaker 3: asked them to get back to us with specific details
Speaker 3: on the demands, not to just repackage the numbers of
Speaker 3: what they've done in the past, to tell us about
Speaker 3: their new ways of going about dealing with these issues.
Speaker 3: We don't want to be your nighttime lover. We want
Speaker 3: to be in broad daylight. What exactly are you intending
Speaker 3: to do and why would you make a statement that
Speaker 3: you need to roll back the diversity, equity and inclusion
Speaker 3: instead of enhancing it. That's what we've They should have
Speaker 3: came out and said, to be honest, we need to
Speaker 3: do more diversity and equity and inclusion. We need to
Speaker 3: make sure that black folks get even more a share
Speaker 3: of what we as consumers are putting into Target. That's
Speaker 3: actually what they should have come out with, and instead
Speaker 3: they went in the opposite direction, which is to align
Speaker 3: themselves with Donald Trump and Elon Musk and, in our opinion,
Speaker 3: as Nina Turnet has said, to align themselves with bigotry
Speaker 3: and that's not okay. So with all of that, the
Speaker 3: boycott continues. There's work that's happening behind the scenes. We
Speaker 3: will not sell our communities out. We will make sure
Speaker 3: that when we come back to report on something, we're
Speaker 3: reporting on tangibles, real tangible results, and that takes time.
Speaker 3: Let's not forget that the Montgomery bus boycott lasted for
Speaker 3: three hundred and eighty one days, and so we are
Speaker 3: not even at six months of this yet. We're going
Speaker 3: to have to have some discipline. And I guess my
Speaker 3: thoat of the day for today is everything that comes
Speaker 3: out on social media, we can allow ourselves to just
Speaker 3: go run with it because of either our feelings of
Speaker 3: about people.
Speaker 1: We've got to ask for more.
Speaker 3: Information because over these next four years, Over these next
Speaker 3: four years, there is going to be a lot of
Speaker 3: stuff that's thrown at us to get us to everybody
Speaker 3: starts fighting and arguing and everybody gets divided and all
Speaker 3: of that. We're not trying to be divided. We need
Speaker 3: to course correct some things. Sometimes we gotta have conversations,
Speaker 3: but we are not going to allow these folks to
Speaker 3: divide us.
Speaker 1: Because the enemy is not us.
Speaker 3: It's not organizers, it's not the people online. The enemy
Speaker 3: are the people who are attempting to suppress and oppress
Speaker 3: our communities. And we cannot allow social media to or
Speaker 3: or things that hit the news or social media to
Speaker 3: throw us off our we gotta be targeted. We've got
Speaker 3: no pun intended or pun intended. We've got to be focused.
Speaker 3: We've got to be focused. And our focus at this
Speaker 3: point is that we are making sure that corporations understand
Speaker 3: there's one point eight trillion dollars that we spend. And
Speaker 3: if you want to align yourself with Trump, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of us.
Speaker 1: Who don't like Trump. So if you with him, you
Speaker 1: not with us. And that's it.
Speaker 2: That's pretty much. I mean, I don't know what else
Speaker 2: I can say after that film was broken down. You know,
Speaker 2: we just have to be away about the information. Like
Speaker 2: you said, Denzel said, you know, if you watch the news,
Speaker 2: then you misinformed, and if you don't do you uninformed.
Speaker 2: So you have to be very careful about how you
Speaker 2: get your information. You got to be make sure that
Speaker 2: you're listening to credible sources. You got to do three
Speaker 2: or four different checks. You can't just google one page
Speaker 2: and you just see some random things pop up, like
Speaker 2: you gotta be intentional. You gotta really want this information.
Speaker 2: You gotta look, and you gotta also use common sense,
Speaker 2: because a lot of people don't even use common sense.
Speaker 2: They just hear something say, look, such such jumped off
Speaker 2: the roof and he landed on both foot and now
Speaker 2: he's Superman. He started flying around. Look it's on the internet.
Speaker 2: I've seen it, and I'd be like, does that even fit?
Speaker 2: What you know is humanly possible? Like they don't even
Speaker 2: think about that no more, you know. So I think
Speaker 2: we have to be intentional and we have to make
Speaker 2: sure that we follow people who have levels of integrity
Speaker 2: right that you that you actually can trust, not just
Speaker 2: somebody that just showed up on the internet one day
Speaker 2: and they started creating these conspiracy theories that go along
Speaker 2: with you know, these crazy things that you have in
Speaker 2: your head and you're like, listen, listen, no, make sure
Speaker 2: that there's a basis for what somebody says. Make sure
Speaker 2: that it goes along with common sense. Make sure that
Speaker 2: these people are trusted that you when you look up
Speaker 2: the information they say that other people that you trust
Speaker 2: that are you know, parenting that information or sharing that
Speaker 2: same information. Don't just take information and just run with
Speaker 2: it and then come and spread it, because a lot
Speaker 2: of travels ten times before the truth pushes.
Speaker 3: So for today's TMI, you know, it just be too much.
Speaker 3: Sometimes for me, But I really want to ask people
Speaker 3: out in the universe to listen to this story and
Speaker 3: decide who they think is doing too much in this situation.
Speaker 3: So a few days ago, it was announced that Fanny
Speaker 3: Willis the prosecutor in Georgia in DCAV County has is
Speaker 3: trying to put young Thug back in prison, which we
Speaker 3: know that a part of his sentence was if you
Speaker 3: violate the terms of your probation. Probation is not parole,
Speaker 3: no probation. The terms of your probation that you can
Speaker 3: be committed for a backlog of twenty years. He can
Speaker 3: be committed for a backlog of twenty years, so he
Speaker 3: would have to serve out twenty years if he does
Speaker 3: any of the things that's in the stipulations. So she
Speaker 3: wants to have him sent back to prison. And as
Speaker 3: soon as I saw it, I'm not gonna lie. I
Speaker 3: was one of those people that was like, oh, come on,
Speaker 3: Like what did he do go to Metro Atlanta and
Speaker 3: ride on the side of the you know street where
Speaker 3: you ain't supposed to be on that corner? Like come on,
Speaker 3: Like I didn't even hear the story, just a headline.
Speaker 3: Headline made me automatically be like, come on, Fanny, let's
Speaker 3: not do this, right.
Speaker 1: So then I said, I have to listen to the story.
Speaker 1: So I listened to it.
Speaker 3: So they say that allegedly, they say that a blogger
Speaker 3: tweeted a witness's name an address. Right, that's what they say.
Speaker 3: This is the whole face and the face of the person.
Speaker 3: And it had been the judge's ruling that this witness
Speaker 3: was not to be exposed anything about it, and they tweeted,
Speaker 3: you alleged they tweeted this person's home address and image
Speaker 3: and said so and so does not want to be
Speaker 3: named or does not want the court, you know, the
Speaker 3: people outside of the court to know who they are.
Speaker 1: So this is the person.
Speaker 3: Now, this is what I will say allegedly too, although
Speaker 3: the interview or this whole story, they've given you a
Speaker 3: chronicle of what took place that got them back in court.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: But allegedly, young thug retweeted this post on social media,
Speaker 3: and now Fanny Willis wants him to go to prison.
Speaker 3: So there are some people that's like, all right, he
Speaker 3: tweeted something. I still don't think he needs to do
Speaker 3: twenty years in prison for that. Fanny Willis just wants
Speaker 3: to send this black man to prison so bad. She's
Speaker 3: got a I was gonna say hard on, but that's
Speaker 3: probably inappropriate, you know' she's she's what's the word says
Speaker 3: thank you with him, and there's no reason for him
Speaker 3: to go back to prison for this. And in fact,
Speaker 3: which is where like you said, allegedly comes from the
Speaker 3: newscaster the reporter, the reporter is saying that when speaking
Speaker 3: with Young Thug's attorney, the attorney says it's never okay
Speaker 3: to tamper with witnesses, and it or because then they
Speaker 3: say that some other they never say it was the
Speaker 3: same blog. And they also don't say that Young Thug
Speaker 3: retweeted this, but that the next thing was a post
Speaker 3: was out there that called for the murder of Fanny
Speaker 3: Willis right, and so, but they never said that Young
Speaker 3: Thug posted that or retweeted it, or that it came
Speaker 3: from the same place, but they just put that in
Speaker 3: the universe. And so the lawyer responds to it and
Speaker 3: says it's also not okay to threaten law enforcement. But
Speaker 3: then he goes on to say that Young Thug did
Speaker 3: not do any anything wrong and therefore Fanny Willis presenting
Speaker 3: this type of motion to have him sent back to jail.
Speaker 3: Is like, not, okay, it's stupid, it's wrong or whatever.
Speaker 1: That's not his words.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying what he's saying is wrong, that he
Speaker 3: shouldn't do it. So now, if it is true, right,
Speaker 3: and so again that there are people who don't feel
Speaker 3: like he should have to go back to jail for that.
Speaker 3: If it is true that a blogger posted this thing,
Speaker 3: this person, this witness's face, name address, and if it
Speaker 3: is true that young thug retweeted it, I think that's stupid.
Speaker 3: That's just me, but there might be some other people
Speaker 3: as saying not.
Speaker 1: I just think it's stupid.
Speaker 3: First of all, we know all the legal implications and
Speaker 3: what if something happens to this person, how do you
Speaker 3: You're now a part of it. But also you gotta
Speaker 3: stay out of trouble. You gotta stay away from people,
Speaker 3: place in spaces that could potentially put you back in
Speaker 3: some mess or in a situation.
Speaker 1: And I just feel like even when he first came
Speaker 1: out on.
Speaker 3: The social media talking to stuff and doing the thing,
Speaker 3: you know, because you home right, and we know that
Speaker 3: the come home aspect of anybody who's been locked down,
Speaker 3: and people are advocating for you or just even if
Speaker 3: you did something wrong. I'm saying in general, when you
Speaker 3: come home, as you know most people, but I know
Speaker 3: in the black community, that's a time for a celebration
Speaker 3: of the person to return.
Speaker 1: And so you now social.
Speaker 3: Media is a part of it, because I remember when
Speaker 3: people used to come home before it was a chicken
Speaker 3: dinner at the house. Right now it's social media, you
Speaker 3: doing whatever. And I remember watching that part the live
Speaker 3: or whatever he was doing and saying to myself, Lord,
Speaker 3: have mercy, put the get.
Speaker 1: The cell phone.
Speaker 3: Take the cell phone, because you don't need to be
Speaker 3: on the social media.
Speaker 1: Now this person tweets.
Speaker 3: Something and allegedly and you believe that they're supporting you
Speaker 3: or whatever it is. You have to put this somebody,
Speaker 3: anybody that knows young thug in the world.
Speaker 1: I really is rooting for the brother.
Speaker 3: I really was, because after a while the case was like,
Speaker 3: all right, either y'all have it the evidence or you don't.
Speaker 1: But this too, however long it is trial going on
Speaker 1: and on.
Speaker 3: And on and on, and then finding out this and
Speaker 3: that and all this stuff. It's like, come on, you
Speaker 3: blew it, You blew your shot to make this clean.
Speaker 3: It was a circus. So I'm just saying I don't
Speaker 3: know what he may or may not have done because
Speaker 3: we never really got to learn the truth to my
Speaker 3: in my opinion, right or maybe we did, I don't know,
Speaker 3: but we didn't really get clear.
Speaker 1: This Happenedness happened, This happened.
Speaker 3: So at some point I became one of those people
Speaker 3: to say, if the brother did do the things that
Speaker 3: they accused him of, then I really know that he's
Speaker 3: gonna have to pay for that somehow, right Like, but
Speaker 3: y'all did not do a good job of proving it,
Speaker 3: and it's time to let that man go home. That's
Speaker 3: how I felt. Anybody who don't like that, that's on you.
Speaker 3: But that's how I felt. But now I want I
Speaker 3: just want to say, as a person who did believe
Speaker 3: that after a while the trial was not going in
Speaker 3: the right direction, I just want the brother to put
Speaker 3: down the cell phone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think we just have to be
Speaker 2: honest and as men, we got to hold ourselves accountable.
Speaker 2: We got to have strong support systems around us. We
Speaker 2: gotta have people to say, yo, stop doing dumb shit.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying he did it, because it's allegedly
Speaker 2: and he somebody could have. You know, you're a famous person.
Speaker 2: You're a famous person. People get you know, packed all
Speaker 2: the time, so that that's a possibility. But I'm just
Speaker 2: I'm having a conversation man to man. If you, if
Speaker 2: you did do this allegedly, then you gotta check yourself
Speaker 2: because your freedom. You you you've seen as if your
Speaker 2: freedom was paramount to you, you know so, And if
Speaker 2: it's paramount to you, then we can't make decisions that's
Speaker 2: gonna jeopardize it, especially stupid decisions like from your page.
Speaker 2: So I'm not saying you did. I don't know. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying if you are, sometimes you gotta you have to.
Speaker 2: You have to suspend your first judgment. You might have
Speaker 2: a lot of animosity, you have to feel away against
Speaker 2: the system. I get it. You know, it's a lot
Speaker 2: of times we hold in you. You said for years,
Speaker 2: and you see, you felt like a system had targeted
Speaker 2: you and they did you wrong and you but God
Speaker 2: gave you opportunity to come back to society. God gave
Speaker 2: you opportunity to be free and to make different choices,
Speaker 2: to make different decisions. And you said that you said
Speaker 2: that you learned from and you and thank you for
Speaker 2: playing fair and the people and you said they played
Speaker 2: fair with you. So you have to make decisions that
Speaker 2: make sure that the choice they made is justified as
Speaker 2: a man. And if you didn't do it, then then
Speaker 2: get it out, get it out. If somebody had them,
Speaker 2: then you know, then that's the reality situation. But if
Speaker 2: you are, I just want you just to make better decisions, brother,
Speaker 2: because we're room for you. You know, we're fans of
Speaker 2: the music, we're fans of just a young black man
Speaker 2: being able to get a second because a lot of us,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of people that's in jail that have
Speaker 2: done that, haven't done anything, that will never come home.
Speaker 2: And you wanted the opportunities that people get to see
Speaker 2: where there is a silver lining at the end of
Speaker 2: the road where you can actually go through a justicism
Speaker 2: and somebody can give you opportunity. They can see you
Speaker 2: know the word, and they can see that you are
Speaker 2: rehabilitating and have an opportunity. So don't fuck it up,
Speaker 2: because if you fucked this up, allegedly, if you if
Speaker 2: you fucked this up, then you're gonna suck it up
Speaker 2: for a thousand other young black men just like yourself.
Speaker 2: So that's all I have to say about.
Speaker 3: So I guess the question is, do you think Fanny
Speaker 3: Willis is doing too much or all these people on
Speaker 3: social media?
Speaker 2: I mean, that's y'all incident. I don't know what it is,
Speaker 2: you know, so I didn't see it.
Speaker 1: I didn't see the tweet. I should go look to see.
Speaker 2: But that's what they're allegedly saying is happening. But but
Speaker 2: y'all give us, y'all, give us y'all feedback and let
Speaker 2: us know what you think.
Speaker 3: So now we are getting ready to go to a
Speaker 3: guest that.
Speaker 1: You know they're trying to kill us.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying your tickets on.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, that's not that's the woman. That's
Speaker 3: the woman.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, jolly yeah, So you know that.
Speaker 3: That Now for our guests, you know, we've only had
Speaker 3: maybe two white folk on this show after this is
Speaker 3: the fifth season. We had Jason Jason Flohm, who is
Speaker 3: a big supporter and advocate for our brother justice for
Speaker 3: Pierre Russian who is serving time for a crime that
Speaker 3: he did not commit. And Jason is one one of
Speaker 3: his biggest advocates and so there's that, And that was.
Speaker 1: One white man.
Speaker 3: I actually can't think of another, but you know, I
Speaker 3: always leave room by saying too, so maybe there was
Speaker 3: one more. There was an Asian man, yeah right, that
Speaker 3: was the husband of young couple.
Speaker 1: But that's it. I don't know if any other white
Speaker 1: folks has been on our show.
Speaker 3: Just to make sure that you know, we never say
Speaker 3: we never did, we never saw, we never went unless
Speaker 3: you really know you never went, because if you might
Speaker 3: have went and you say you didn't, people won't find
Speaker 3: out because that's just the world that we live in.
Speaker 3: But this might be the third white person that's been
Speaker 3: on our show. But this is this brother. He is
Speaker 3: definitely invited to the cookout.
Speaker 1: So that's definitely guess.
Speaker 2: Let's get to it. So today we have a friend
Speaker 2: to the room who has been a friend of mine,
Speaker 2: but he probably doesn't know it. Just watching her he's
Speaker 2: a friend of mine, and just watching his commentary, watching
Speaker 2: his unabridged truth, watch him face to face, just dismantle
Speaker 2: just system that he's been dismantle in the system of
Speaker 2: white supremacy by hisself for a long time now. And
Speaker 2: it's in amazement. You know. The other day I was
Speaker 2: watching this video where a lady was talking about d
Speaker 2: I and this and that, and he walked up and
Speaker 2: just grabbed the microphone and just left her speechless and
Speaker 2: just walked off. And it was just it was so
Speaker 2: beautiful to me. And he does this all the time. Today,
Speaker 2: we have the Jolly Ginger aka.
Speaker 3: Jolly Good on Instagram.
Speaker 1: That's why people know him.
Speaker 2: I just say, I don't be saying Jolly Good Ginger,
Speaker 2: but today we have Russell Ellis aka Jolly Good Ginger today.
Speaker 2: He is a social activist from western North Carolina Foothills
Speaker 2: of Appalachia. He was raised racist and bigoted, and begin
Speaker 2: deconstructing his own racist him as a teenager. After establishing
Speaker 2: a relationship relationship with his mom, he joined the Army
Speaker 2: of eighteen. He spent thirteen years in human intelligence Iraq
Speaker 2: and Afghanistan. Veteran he now denounces the US occupation of
Speaker 2: those countries. First started getting real active in activism in
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen. He has social media started in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: He has over six million followers across all these platforms
Speaker 2: and he is the guy, the guy. How you doing today? Man?
Speaker 5: I feel like I'm not worthy of that introduction for me,
Speaker 5: I really appreciate the kind words and vice versa.
Speaker 6: I've been watching you, know you.
Speaker 5: And to make a in your activism across the years,
Speaker 5: and you inspired me, you inspired countless other people, and
Speaker 5: so hearing you say these cond words about me truly humbling.
Speaker 2: It's the work that you're doing. Brother. You know a
Speaker 2: lot of people, you know, they say, you know, I
Speaker 2: injustice and I don't like that, and they quietly whisper.
Speaker 2: But the way that you you face it, the way
Speaker 2: that you dismantled you know, your videos are they are eloquent,
Speaker 2: they are precise, they're educated, any of them with thought,
Speaker 2: and you can't really dispute, you know, when you get facts.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't care how you feelings. It's facts
Speaker 2: are feelings, and you always come with facts. And that's
Speaker 2: what I really appreciated about you.
Speaker 6: I appreciate that. And to be honest with you, social media.
Speaker 5: Was an accident, so like now, watching how much of
Speaker 5: an influence social media has on the social conversation is
Speaker 5: fascinating because I joined social media in twenty twenty, literally
Speaker 5: by the accident, and it's not something I ever thought about.
Speaker 6: But now when you think about this social conversation.
Speaker 5: You think about social media, so I'm blessed to have
Speaker 5: a platform to.
Speaker 6: Be able to do it.
Speaker 3: So we don't have we ever met Jolly who was
Speaker 3: aka Russell Ellis.
Speaker 1: We have, yes, Louisville.
Speaker 5: We met on a few separate occasions. But see, I
Speaker 5: knew who you were, you know who I was, and
Speaker 5: that's fair. But I'm good friends with Bianca, you.
Speaker 1: Sister.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I.
Speaker 5: Love Bianca her birthdays past her birthday Byonka and uh yeah.
Speaker 6: On several different occasions.
Speaker 5: The first time I think we met was the tenth
Speaker 5: anniversary down in Miami Traymon Martin.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, so that's great.
Speaker 3: I mean, and I share my sons sentiment about you
Speaker 3: being my friend in my head. So you know, whenever
Speaker 3: I see you on social media, and you know, I
Speaker 3: obviously support you, but I also share your videos in
Speaker 3: private on my page. You know, I make sure to
Speaker 3: lift your name as being a person who can be trusted,
Speaker 3: who has an authentic voice and of course a very
Speaker 3: courageous spirit, which is something that we need now more
Speaker 3: than ever. And so I also respect you greatly and
Speaker 3: I'm actually happy to have you on the show because
Speaker 3: you are You're a celebrity. You kind of you popping
Speaker 3: out here. So you know, we got the celebs on today.
Speaker 2: You are interviewing the congressman and everything.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this man moving yeah right.
Speaker 3: But you know, as my son has said, you are
Speaker 3: truly confronting white folks, which is something that we think
Speaker 3: is a specific job.
Speaker 1: I think that in this movement.
Speaker 3: Uh, you know, we get a lot of people who
Speaker 3: want to join the march and they want to be
Speaker 3: a part of what we're doing as black folks and
Speaker 3: brown folks. They want to run to our issues and say,
Speaker 3: you know, we're here to support I. You know, I
Speaker 3: feel you, I see the harm, I see the wrong.
Speaker 3: And then they go back to their racist family members
Speaker 3: and friends, and a lot of times they either say
Speaker 3: nothing or they certainly are not as assertive as they
Speaker 3: are when they're in spaces with us, right, And so
Speaker 3: I always redirect especially white women back today mama, back
Speaker 3: to their daddy, back to their cousins, their friends, and
Speaker 3: to go do some personal and internal work on themselves.
Speaker 1: And you.
Speaker 3: Have done that work, and you also confront people who
Speaker 3: look like you. And I love for you to talk
Speaker 3: a little bit about what that is for you because
Speaker 3: I know that. I mean, I'm sure you're comfortable in
Speaker 3: it now, but I don't know if you always have been.
Speaker 5: So I really I love the question and I love
Speaker 5: the way you phrased it, because this is a question
Speaker 5: I've been asked a.
Speaker 6: Lot, especially, you know, since been on social media.
Speaker 5: To be honest, when I initially started like confronting white people,
Speaker 5: it was out of anger and frustration. So I grew
Speaker 5: up in I mean, white supremacy. Let's just call it
Speaker 5: what it is.
Speaker 6: I grew up in the mountains Clina Foothills of Appalachia.
Speaker 5: And where I was raised, I mean, racism was so casual,
Speaker 5: it was culture right.
Speaker 6: I didn't even know it was racism. I didn't know
Speaker 6: that not everybody said the N word.
Speaker 5: I thought the N word was just part of daily
Speaker 5: vocabulary because where I grew up, that's how everyone acted,
Speaker 5: and it was a foregone conclusion of how things work.
Speaker 5: So when I figured it out, and there's a long
Speaker 5: story about how it all came to be, but when
Speaker 5: I figured out, oh shit, I'm a white supremacist, and
Speaker 5: I started figuring out there's this whole other world out
Speaker 5: there that I didn't really know about I was not.
Speaker 5: I want to be very clear when I say this,
Speaker 5: I was not saying it or bringing it to the
Speaker 5: forefront like it was some light like I was trying to.
Speaker 6: Save the world. It was like this moment of epiphaness
Speaker 6: aha moment. But I was saying it.
Speaker 5: To the people I knew, which was the white folks
Speaker 5: to my left and right, and I would say to them, hey, man,
Speaker 5: you know this ain't right or this and this, and
Speaker 5: I would reveal the things I've learned and they would
Speaker 5: then deny it to my faith, Oh no, we're not
Speaker 5: that way.
Speaker 6: Oh, we don't say that, we don't. And I'm like,
Speaker 6: the fuck you mean we don't say that, Yes we do.
Speaker 6: I've been here the whole fucking time and we've been
Speaker 6: doing that shit.
Speaker 5: Like I was. Really, I felt like I was being
Speaker 5: gas lit by my own fucking people.
Speaker 6: And I'm like, I remember I was like.
Speaker 5: Fourteen fifteen years old around that time, and I was
Speaker 5: riding down the road my dad's second wife.
Speaker 6: You'll never hear me say, stepmom, my dad's second one.
Speaker 5: We're riding down the road, and she dropped the N
Speaker 5: word out there, which was pretty normal, and I don't
Speaker 5: know why. I was just fucking fed up. I said, hey,
Speaker 5: you know what, don't say that in front of me
Speaker 5: no more. And she was like, say what. She didn't
Speaker 5: know what the fuck she said. She'd say what said
Speaker 5: the N word, don't feed no one. She started laughing,
Speaker 5: you don't liking God in my car? I said, pull over,
Speaker 5: so she did. She pulled over right. I got the
Speaker 5: fuck out the corner. I walked my ass the rest
Speaker 5: of him about two miles, which, of course, you know
Speaker 5: back in that you know, nineties, wasn't that bad to
Speaker 5: walk home a couple three miles.
Speaker 6: But I decided, I'm putting my foot down, like I
Speaker 6: don't know why. I don't know what. You know, you
Speaker 6: went through.
Speaker 5: Puberty, went to the ship. But I was like, fuck it,
Speaker 5: I understand it, and I want to put my foot down.
Speaker 5: And then it wasn't even a week later.
Speaker 6: I did the same thing to my dad.
Speaker 5: Were in my house, and my dad said he dropped anywhere,
Speaker 5: and I say, man, don't say in front of you
Speaker 5: in the morning, said whatever you want, and he got man,
Speaker 5: you know, down south where I grew up, you don tell.
Speaker 6: Another man how to live in his own house.
Speaker 5: Kind of like a rule and that's what he told me.
Speaker 5: He said, you know, boy, you don't tell me how
Speaker 5: to how to act in my own house. I said,
Speaker 5: I'm telling you, I don't want to hear that shit and.
Speaker 6: Tree me and you.
Speaker 5: He beat the shutter he did. I was about fifteen,
Speaker 5: he was about thirty six. He's grown ass man, but
Speaker 5: he eats shutting me. And he told me, if I
Speaker 5: want to hear it, I can leave, so I did.
Speaker 5: I actually left my house for a little bit there.
Speaker 5: But that's what got me started calling out white people
Speaker 5: to be honest with you. I think the message gets
Speaker 5: lost on social media where people think I'm trying to speak.
Speaker 6: For the black community. The black community does not need
Speaker 6: me to speak for them.
Speaker 5: No one has asked me to be speak over for
Speaker 5: another community, so I don't do that. What got me
Speaker 5: started speaking so harshly to the white community was when
Speaker 5: I figured out the white supremacy was a real deal,
Speaker 5: and I started speaking out loud the things that I
Speaker 5: figured out. And then my community treating me like I'm
Speaker 5: just making this shit up, like they wasn't just saying.
Speaker 6: It last week had me so fucking fired up. That's
Speaker 6: what got me started.
Speaker 2: But okay, so made.
Speaker 4: But what what was the thing that clicked in you
Speaker 4: to say, Yo, this shit is just wrong, Like when
Speaker 4: you started to cold because you said you were practicing
Speaker 4: like you were you were brought in racism.
Speaker 2: It was regularly thing that you did. But what was it?
Speaker 2: Was there a moment? Was it just a culmination of
Speaker 2: things that made you start deconstructing within yourself before you
Speaker 2: even started to confront them.
Speaker 5: So have a unique situation. My mom and dad divorced
Speaker 5: when I was three. Now, I'm gonna be abundantly clear.
Speaker 5: When I was born, my mom was sixteen, my dad
Speaker 5: was twenty one. It was the eighties, But I don't
Speaker 5: think we can go ahead and excuse that. But that
Speaker 5: was the situation. And when I was three, my mom
Speaker 5: was nineteen.
Speaker 6: My dad was twenty four. But my dad was very
Speaker 6: openly white.
Speaker 5: My mom could tell you stories about my dad and
Speaker 5: his cousin pulling up to the store after dark in
Speaker 5: our little town when we grew up and seeing two
Speaker 5: white ladies with two black guys in the car, and
Speaker 5: my dad and his cousin got pissed off and told
Speaker 5: my mom who was I wasn't born yet, but my
Speaker 5: mom and her friend you're going to go and beat
Speaker 5: those white girls ass because they shouldn't have those, you know,
Speaker 5: in this town. And that's how my dad was so
Speaker 5: obviously my mom was that way because she was raised
Speaker 5: by But my mom, being so fucking young, started realizing herself,
Speaker 5: this shit ain't right, and she ended up separating from
Speaker 5: my dad and she ended up dating a black man.
Speaker 5: Her second husband was a black man. Well shit, you know,
Speaker 5: like this is like my Watergate scandal. Where the fuck
Speaker 5: I'm from? And so my dad's older than my mom,
Speaker 5: has a career, my mom's really young, doesn't have a career.
Speaker 6: He's got money, she don't.
Speaker 5: And so it goes to court, and my dad got
Speaker 5: custody of me, which in the eighties is unheard of.
Speaker 5: The mother gets custody, but my mom's with a black man.
Speaker 5: That's the deciding factor. Ain't no judge, nor Carolina, I'm
Speaker 5: going to give this white kid and this white woman
Speaker 5: dating a black man. So my dad got custody on me,
Speaker 5: and my dad told me every bad.
Speaker 6: Thing about my mom you can think of under.
Speaker 5: The sun, and I believe it. I'm impressionable, obviously, who isn't.
Speaker 5: And he had me convinced that interracial marriage was against
Speaker 5: the Bible. He could show me the book and verse
Speaker 5: where the Bible says. I said, no, Bell, so I
Speaker 5: believe it. You're literally, you're literally in violation of.
Speaker 6: The walls of God by being married this man. When
Speaker 6: I was taking its old, my mom took the whole
Speaker 6: thing to court and she got visitation rights on me.
Speaker 6: I still remember when it happened. It was a very
Speaker 6: big moment in my life. I was terrified.
Speaker 5: The only thing I ever know about this woman was
Speaker 5: bad things, and now she's got visitation rights on me.
Speaker 6: And I'll make this long story short. The very first
Speaker 6: time she picked me up for visitation, it was my
Speaker 6: goal in my mind.
Speaker 5: And I told my dad this that after this visitation,
Speaker 5: she'll never want to see me again. I want to
Speaker 5: hate me so she'll never come back. And I was
Speaker 5: incredibly hateful to her. I told her that her marriage
Speaker 5: was a sin against God. I told her children were
Speaker 5: in words, and I said the word and she told me,
Speaker 5: you know, a ten year old shouldn't talk like this,
Speaker 5: and I said, you shouldn't be a sinner, you evil be.
Speaker 6: That's how I talked to her, and it was a.
Speaker 5: Very painful two hours three hours that she had me
Speaker 5: whatever the vegetation was, and she had visitations every other Saturday.
Speaker 6: So she dropped me off of my dad's house.
Speaker 5: I told my dad, I said, she'll never come get
Speaker 5: me again because I told her exactly what I feel
Speaker 5: about her dad. And two saturdays went by and it
Speaker 5: was time for her to come get me again, and
Speaker 5: I was confidence she will be back.
Speaker 6: I'll be damned she ain't pulled up in the driveway.
Speaker 5: And then that particular Saturday, she took me to her
Speaker 5: house to meet my siblings, who were all younger than me,
Speaker 5: but also.
Speaker 1: You know, right, and it was my.
Speaker 5: First time ever in my entire life being with and
Speaker 5: everything there was about black all criminals, it.
Speaker 6: Is all violence, is all drugs. You don't want to
Speaker 6: go there. It's the bad part of ten.
Speaker 5: That's what I'm we pulled in this neighborhood, was playing
Speaker 5: with my mom's house. You know, it's normal, It's normal
Speaker 5: ast neighborhood like I was used to seeing. And then
Speaker 5: my siblings came out and they were so happy to
Speaker 5: see me, which could not compute in my head, how
Speaker 5: the fuck are you happy to see me? I was
Speaker 5: so angry at the world that they wasn't and they
Speaker 5: were all younger than me, and I could not bring
Speaker 5: it to my in my heart to be mean to them.
Speaker 5: I don't want them to be Even as a ten
Speaker 5: year old, I had to word with all the say
Speaker 5: it ain't their fault. And they played and talked to me,
Speaker 5: and I kind of didn't didn't really engage.
Speaker 6: Then every other Saturday, I'm back. I started. I love basketball.
Speaker 6: I grew up playing.
Speaker 5: Last Well, I'm a tall kid, and so my brother's
Speaker 5: next visits.
Speaker 6: You want to go to the basketball.
Speaker 5: Hell, yeah, I'm a good basketball I'm down the neighborhood
Speaker 5: playing basketball with the neighbors. And nothing's like what I
Speaker 5: was told. It was life, you understand, nothing was what
Speaker 5: my dad and so I had reached this moment. My
Speaker 5: dadd had told me a but my eyes are witnessing
Speaker 5: be of what the fuck conclusion do I come to?
Speaker 5: And it was at that age, the early age of
Speaker 5: ten years older, I started confronting the realities of what
Speaker 5: I was told versus the reality.
Speaker 6: Is what I see. It took me a few years.
Speaker 5: I had nobody to talk to him, not close enough
Speaker 5: to my mom to talk to her. He talked to
Speaker 5: my dad, I'll be that he'll throw me out the house.
Speaker 5: So by the time I was at thirteen fourteen, I
Speaker 5: had really put some shit together. And my son you
Speaker 5: asked me, what was that moment. I'm gonna be answering you.
Speaker 5: There was this one watershed moment. I had begun reading
Speaker 5: books in the library because nobody even checked me in
Speaker 5: the library at school, and I had to begun watching
Speaker 5: vachest tape.
Speaker 6: You're gonna rent VHS tapes.
Speaker 5: In the library where I went to schooling and you
Speaker 5: can watch these old talk shows.
Speaker 6: And I watched the talk show where Malcolm X.
Speaker 5: Was giving an interview, and the guy who was doing
Speaker 5: the interviews on TV say, hey, what's your last name?
Speaker 6: It's not Ax. We know it's not X.
Speaker 5: What's your last name? Malcolm has told him, you know,
Speaker 5: I don't know my last name. You stole, you robbed
Speaker 5: me of my last name, and you took my last
Speaker 5: name and you assigned to your last name.
Speaker 6: It's not my last name.
Speaker 7: And in my white life, I had never heard something
Speaker 7: like that, and my life like that, and where I
Speaker 7: grew up.
Speaker 5: Your family names fucking everything. You uphold your family name.
Speaker 5: That's a fundamental value. Uphold your family name. It makes
Speaker 5: each generation better than the next. You're told the shit
Speaker 5: from time to you're fucking mee how to agresship. And
Speaker 5: it occurred to me in that moment that taking the
Speaker 5: last name, or taking the family name of enslaved people's
Speaker 5: was very on purpose by my people, because my people
Speaker 5: are taught that your family name is your identity, so
Speaker 5: it was intentional to rob them of their identity. And
Speaker 5: it was at that moment where I had everything that
Speaker 5: I had been learning and thinking of my head.
Speaker 6: Built up and it burst.
Speaker 5: I said, that's fucking rom You don't take people's fucking
Speaker 5: family name from them.
Speaker 6: You don't fucking rob them of their identity.
Speaker 5: My fucking people should be fucking He'll respond, and I
Speaker 5: just I just had this watershed moment, and that's really
Speaker 5: where the fire lit Uneasy.
Speaker 1: This is so much that I'm just like, do I
Speaker 1: lay down? Do we get the collection?
Speaker 2: Please? Like?
Speaker 1: What do we do?
Speaker 3: Because but you know what, that's what we wanted to
Speaker 3: have you on today to talk about. And of course
Speaker 3: we'll get to the danger of the moment. But I
Speaker 3: think that my son always says that there's a backstory
Speaker 3: to our like human lives. We're not just an Instagram profile.
Speaker 3: We're not just you know, a quick SoundBite. We actually
Speaker 3: have human experiences, and not enough people know who we are,
Speaker 3: where we come from. And that's why there's so many,
Speaker 3: so much, which is my next question to you. But
Speaker 3: that's why there's so much, so many misconceptions about the
Speaker 3: why why do you do this work?
Speaker 1: You know why?
Speaker 3: Oh oh, you just want to make money or you
Speaker 3: just want to and people need to know that No,
Speaker 3: actually I got here by fire. You know what happened
Speaker 3: to me. It hurt a little bit, you know, for
Speaker 3: my entry into this work. And so that's what I
Speaker 3: wanted to talk to you about. But I want to
Speaker 3: get to misinformation because it sounds like it and it
Speaker 3: really is kind of like a beautiful song being put
Speaker 3: together here because you were given misinformation and for.
Speaker 1: A while, thank god, you learned otherwise. Young.
Speaker 3: But there are some people in which are some of
Speaker 3: these folks that I see you talking to in these
Speaker 3: videos while you're out confronting people. Their information is a
Speaker 3: narrative full of misinformation. So it's you caught it early.
Speaker 3: But imagine when you are are a thirty five, forty five,
Speaker 3: fifty five year old, big dummy, because you just all
Speaker 3: you know is whatever Fox News is telling you. So
Speaker 3: do you feel like, yes, there's racism and all that,
Speaker 3: but you think misinformation is also a part of why
Speaker 3: so many white people, even the ones who are like
Speaker 3: good white people, are like, I don't know what you mean, Like,
Speaker 3: you know, I thought they were only deporting criminals, you know, Like,
Speaker 3: what do you think about the misinformation piece?
Speaker 5: Misinformation is a staple of White America. Misinformation. That's why nuance.
Speaker 5: Nuance is is the ship of freedom, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. The ability to discuss nu ones is how
Speaker 5: all of this falls apart. And so this whole two
Speaker 5: dimensional world is what they want with I digress, misinformation
Speaker 5: is exactly what white America thrives. The I do the
Speaker 5: Ted Talk a few years back, and I kind of
Speaker 5: just said it in the Ted Talk. I didn't expound
Speaker 5: upon it, but I don't think people really understood how
Speaker 5: deeply I meant it. I talked about how Donald Trump
Speaker 5: did not usher in white supremacy in America. White supremacy
Speaker 5: ushered in Donald Trump. And it's important for people to
Speaker 5: understand a few things. Literally, every single talking point of
Speaker 5: the make America.
Speaker 6: Grade of the movement is a recycled talking point. I've
Speaker 6: heard it when I was ten years old. I've heard
Speaker 6: it all. There's nothing you can say.
Speaker 5: The difference between a bigot and a parrot is one
Speaker 5: of them has no original thought and just repeats everything
Speaker 5: they hear around them because they don't have a brain,
Speaker 5: and the other one's a fucking burn fucking There is
Speaker 5: no unique ideology in bigatry, there's no unique ideology in
Speaker 5: white supremacy.
Speaker 6: So misinformation is how we thrive.
Speaker 5: When I was ten, I was told there's a war
Speaker 5: against Christianity, there's a war against straight people, there's a
Speaker 5: war against white men. Heard that before, yeah, last week
Speaker 5: the fucking news.
Speaker 6: But I heard it when I was fucking ten.
Speaker 5: Because you know, if you trace the white race back,
Speaker 5: when did this white race begin begin right here in America?
Speaker 6: After Bacon's Rebellion sixteen seventy six. What happened was rich.
Speaker 5: People were trying to be rich and poor people were
Speaker 5: fucking tired of getting shit on. So there was a
Speaker 5: whole bunch of rebellions and there was this one really
Speaker 5: big relion called Baker's Rebellion, and the fucking rich white
Speaker 5: men holding fucking you know, colonizers decided, Hey, we need
Speaker 5: to fucking stop this shit. So what we're gonna do
Speaker 5: is we're gonna convince the white people, Yeah, you might
Speaker 5: be poor, but at least you made black.
Speaker 6: And that's what I did.
Speaker 5: They created this race of white people that didn't exist before,
Speaker 5: to create this fake majority, to create this mythology of
Speaker 5: white supremacy, so that at least you might be poor, motherfucker,
Speaker 5: but you ain't black, you're not enslaved, you're not less
Speaker 5: than human.
Speaker 6: And so that was.
Speaker 5: Enough, And that ideology has served I at the test
Speaker 5: of time. In twenty twenty five, it's all still the same,
Speaker 5: and the entire basis of how we convince white people
Speaker 5: to be okay with absolute the most oborigious human rights
Speaker 5: violations in human history is through misinformation. If I tell
Speaker 5: you that you're the victim, if I tell you the
Speaker 5: wars against you, if I tell you that people hate you,
Speaker 5: it's a whole lot fucking easier to be hateful. It's
Speaker 5: a whole lot fucking easier to dehumanize others.
Speaker 6: We see that happening right now.
Speaker 5: We're watching fathers, we're watching brothers, we're watching human beings
Speaker 5: get shipped to a torture prison in Al Salvador, and
Speaker 5: then you're watching people justify that bullshit. The only way
Speaker 5: that's possible is through misinformation. White supremacy was built on
Speaker 5: the foundation of misinformation. White supremacy in it of itself
Speaker 5: is misinformation.
Speaker 3: White people worshipree that's right, that's right. It's the white
Speaker 3: supremacists want to be. That's what I call it.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, sir, so well, you said that Trump didn't
Speaker 2: usher in white supremacy. White supremacy ushered than Trump. Do
Speaker 2: you think that Trump is necessary in order to actually
Speaker 2: come to the moment to where we get rid of
Speaker 2: this thing? Do you think that what is he's doing
Speaker 2: right now we do you? Do you think it's going
Speaker 2: to have this effect to where people are gonna look
Speaker 2: and say this is over the top or do you
Speaker 2: think that people are gonna just continue as business as normal.
Speaker 6: I think both are a very real possibility.
Speaker 5: If you look at after the Civil War, that should
Speaker 5: have been America's movement, like we just literally killed each other,
Speaker 5: maybe we should get our shit together, but they didn't,
Speaker 5: and then what happened was south to the North. Hey, man,
Speaker 5: if you take your federal troops out of our out
Speaker 5: of our states will be good.
Speaker 6: But they weren't good. Jim pro Laws immediately.
Speaker 5: Followed the exit of federal troops from Southern from the
Speaker 5: Southern States of America. And then what followed after that
Speaker 5: was the United Daughters of the Confederacy. My dollars, a
Speaker 5: profession came in, resurrected the Confederate statues, resurrected the Confederate flag.
Speaker 5: The United Daughters of the Confederacy are the ones who
Speaker 5: started the ideology of it was states rights and not slavery.
Speaker 6: We never held this is very important. We never held.
Speaker 5: The leaders of the Confederate States of America accountable under
Speaker 5: the idea of we should just heal our wounds and
Speaker 5: welcome our brothers back into our arms.
Speaker 6: Right, they got a free pass on it.
Speaker 5: Now, I want you to ask yourself, the Confederate States
Speaker 5: of America was purely a black movement. What they have
Speaker 5: got a free pass? Would we have given them the
Speaker 5: fucking same courtesy we gave the CONFEDIANTO we wouldn't we
Speaker 5: know the fucking answer. So we never held white America accountable.
Speaker 5: Woodrow Wilson, I believe it was the bread no No,
Speaker 5: it was Harry Truman. Wasn't Harry Truman was the first
Speaker 5: president that allowed a film to be played in the
Speaker 5: White House?
Speaker 6: What was that film? The Birth of America? Made by
Speaker 6: the kumplux Tian. In this country, we have never, ever, ever, ever,
Speaker 6: ever held white supremacy accountable.
Speaker 5: I can draw you a straight line from the Confederate
Speaker 5: States of America to make America great again.
Speaker 6: I can draw it. I don't have to make a left,
Speaker 6: I don't want to make a right. I gotta make
Speaker 6: a you turn. I gotta do no trickery. It's a
Speaker 6: straight fucking line. The make America way to good movement
Speaker 6: is the Confederate States of America. It's the fucking reintroduction,
Speaker 6: reintroduction of the first time. How do we get here?
Speaker 6: We didn't hold white America accountable. So if Donald Trump
Speaker 6: disappears fucking tomorrow, he's gone. Are supremacists that put him
Speaker 6: in the office?
Speaker 2: Goon?
Speaker 5: Are the motherfuckers we gave a free pass to goone?
Speaker 5: Is the ideology that they use to fucking vote for him?
Speaker 5: Going No, And if we don't hold white supremacy accountable
Speaker 5: in this country, then we're just waiting for the fucking
Speaker 5: next time it happens. We have to defeat Donald Trump.
Speaker 5: We have to defeat fascism, we have to defeat the misinformation.
Speaker 6: We also have to hold white supremacy accountable, and that's
Speaker 6: something America is still not ready to do that. I'm afraid.
Speaker 2: Do you do you find yourself? Do you feel like
Speaker 2: you're a danger sometime? Do you feel like there's some
Speaker 2: people that's so racist, white people that are mad at you.
Speaker 2: Do you get like death threats or anything.
Speaker 5: I've had death threats, I had a goud pulled up
Speaker 5: to my house. I've had people approaching me in crowds. Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's that's an inherent part of being a I am
Speaker 5: a race trader. They came, you're a trader to your race,
Speaker 5: should be your first fucking billion in the cult.
Speaker 6: But they're not. They're too stupid. And so.
Speaker 5: My thoughts on it are this, First of all, my
Speaker 5: children aren't white. And first of all, I want to
Speaker 5: be clear, you don't have to have children or family
Speaker 5: members are of any race, color, ethnicity, religion, creed to
Speaker 5: just fucking have basic human compassion. But I do remind
Speaker 5: myself that I just want my fucking children to live
Speaker 5: in a better fucking country than when I lived there,
Speaker 5: Like goddamn, But I don't think there's a way to
Speaker 5: stand up against white supremacy and not be in danger.
Speaker 5: So the best you could do is stand up against
Speaker 5: white supremacy and fucking keep your head on the slow,
Speaker 5: you know what.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 3: But you were kind of like not the person. Folks
Speaker 3: want to roll up on what you said. Thirteen years
Speaker 3: and Iraq?
Speaker 1: Did you say, I have been to Iraq.
Speaker 5: I have been to Afghanistan thirteen years in the Army
Speaker 5: military intelligence.
Speaker 6: Nine of those thirteen years was overseas. And yeah, I
Speaker 6: try to, I try to.
Speaker 5: I try to, you know, take the things I learned
Speaker 5: from the military, take the things I learned from the
Speaker 5: intelligence community, and apply them to my everyday life. And
Speaker 5: the guy who didn't come to my house, you know,
Speaker 5: I'm not going to talk about that because he didn't
Speaker 5: go to court and the guy was convicted, and you know,
Speaker 5: but the fact is, you know, thankfully I was paying
Speaker 5: attention and it didn't work out good for him, and
Speaker 5: so yeah, you know, that's that's what we have to do.
Speaker 6: I think that if this wasn't such, if this wasn't.
Speaker 5: A thing, built on hate, and speaking against it wouldn't
Speaker 5: be so dangerous, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the thing is dangerous, so in order to confront it,
Speaker 3: it is equally, if not more dangerous. I mean, that's
Speaker 3: just the reality. We deal with it all the time.
Speaker 3: I mean, in my life, I've had some real serious
Speaker 3: close calls, like things where you know, people showing up
Speaker 3: to my speaking engagements, folks pulling out weapons.
Speaker 1: We've even had black people.
Speaker 3: It was like two years ago, maybe three years ago,
Speaker 3: where that black woman showed up in DC at that
Speaker 3: march that we went to.
Speaker 1: And I don't even know.
Speaker 3: And this is not even someone who was supposed to
Speaker 3: be even though I think she was certainly planted and
Speaker 3: paid to do what she did. But nonetheless, if what
Speaker 3: she says is true, that she was just mad at
Speaker 3: me because I didn't support her thing or whatever, she
Speaker 3: was going through some mental health situation and just my
Speaker 3: visibility alone put me in the cross here, So you know,
Speaker 3: I don't I don't believe her. I think she was
Speaker 3: there on purpose, paid to do the thing. But if
Speaker 3: that's not the case, and she just got upset because
Speaker 3: I didn't help her or whatever it is, and decided
Speaker 3: to approach me and it turned into a physical thing
Speaker 3: where people had to get involved, like she was enraged.
Speaker 3: And that is because I'm in my visibility is there
Speaker 3: where she she picked me as the person you know.
Speaker 1: So I'm you know, so I understand every day.
Speaker 3: But the one thing about it is, as was said
Speaker 3: to us by one of our dear, dear sisters that
Speaker 3: we love so much. And I won't name her so
Speaker 3: to protect her. But all you got, all you're gonna
Speaker 3: do is kill me. That's it, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: Like I you know that that's the worst that can happen,
Speaker 3: is that you could kill me. I don't want to
Speaker 3: be dead. I don't want to be killed. I don't
Speaker 3: want to be harmed. I don't want to be impaired
Speaker 3: for the rest of my life from a bullet or
Speaker 3: this or that.
Speaker 1: But what I know is that what.
Speaker 3: I definitely don't want to live with for the rest
Speaker 3: of my life is that I did nothing.
Speaker 1: That part. I can't. I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't, I can't because that's a mental death to me.
Speaker 3: So I'm you know, we out here just we gotta
Speaker 3: do what we gotta do and whatever comes with it.
Speaker 1: God knows, God knows, God's got me and you and you.
Speaker 5: My kids see what's going you know, my kids. My
Speaker 5: oldest son, when he was in middle school, was the
Speaker 5: experience about of racism. And I called her school, you know,
Speaker 5: and I say, hey, man, you know, you might want
Speaker 5: to talk to this kid who's been a racist.
Speaker 6: I talked to the teacher, first teacher. Teacher didn't stop,
Speaker 6: but I talked to the principal. Principal.
Speaker 5: I told the principal, listen, man, come, come time. Number three,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell my my son take care of it himself.
Speaker 5: And that's actually what happened. And my son, you know,
Speaker 5: I made this individual aware of the consequence of possessions.
Speaker 6: But then the principal literally fucking told.
Speaker 5: Me to my face, we can't respond to the words
Speaker 5: with violence because that principle was too white and too
Speaker 5: uneducated to understand the racism is violence and that he
Speaker 5: was funny. And that's what motivates me. Like you said,
Speaker 5: the worst you can do is kill me. Yeah, if
Speaker 5: that's the worst, okay, because the worst you can actually
Speaker 5: do to me is arem my children.
Speaker 6: I'll be damned if I let my children grow up in.
Speaker 3: This world that's right, at least putting force some fucking
Speaker 3: effort to change that part.
Speaker 1: Trying. I gotta try, try.
Speaker 5: I cannot let my children, who recognize what's happening in
Speaker 5: the world when they finally become adults, look at me
Speaker 5: and said, Daddy, what you do in twenty sixteen, what
Speaker 5: you do in twenty twenty, what'd you do in twenty
Speaker 5: twenty four. What'd you do when Donald Trumps ignore the
Speaker 5: owners of the Supreme Court? What did you do when
Speaker 5: Donald Trump was shipping people off to an outside of
Speaker 5: door in prison without due process?
Speaker 2: Daddy?
Speaker 6: What did you do?
Speaker 5: And I'll be damned if I look at my kids
Speaker 5: in the eye and say nothing.
Speaker 2: I just want to say, man. We always say that
Speaker 2: we don't need allies, we need accomplices, man, And you're
Speaker 2: definitely one of those accomplices. Man. And I just appreciate
Speaker 2: you every day. Like sometimes, like I tell you, I
Speaker 2: don't feel like I'm fighting enough. I'm doing enough because
Speaker 2: you've taken on your own fight. And I know, to
Speaker 2: confront people, you know, your own family members, people you've
Speaker 2: grown up with, and confront them about something that they've
Speaker 2: normalized so much, you know, and to really address that
Speaker 2: and take and be disinvited from the family functions and
Speaker 2: be kicked out of the house from your father and
Speaker 2: have the shit beat out of you. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying to really have to go through those things
Speaker 2: just to stand on the side of what's right. It's
Speaker 2: something different, man, And it's not even a fight that
Speaker 2: you are plagued by every day, right, because I say
Speaker 2: to myself, I'm a black man, I'm plagued by racism, right.
Speaker 2: It affects me every day. I gotta go every day
Speaker 2: I have to deal with that. I've grown up with.
Speaker 2: My third grade teacher used to call me the N word,
Speaker 2: and he used to look at me and tell me
Speaker 2: I was going to do nothing. I'd be dead by
Speaker 2: the time I was eighteen, and you know, and he
Speaker 2: would just do things to me. And those things I've experienced,
Speaker 2: So they pushed me to those things I experienced, being
Speaker 2: incarcerated unfairly and sentenced with no crimes, really no crime
Speaker 2: at anything, and having to spend seventeen years when I
Speaker 2: know that there was a white counterpart that went home
Speaker 2: with probation, and they said, we don't want to mess
Speaker 2: up his college career. He's going to college. He has
Speaker 2: no record, and you know, no one was hurt, so
Speaker 2: we're just going to give him some I know those
Speaker 2: things happened because I seen it happen, So I was
Speaker 2: directly impacted by those things. So this fight that I
Speaker 2: thought was fighting back, right, you chose to fight just
Speaker 2: because it was the right thing to do, you know,
Speaker 2: and not a lot of people that just fight because
Speaker 2: it's the right thing to do and who haven't been impacted.
Speaker 2: So I just want to say thank you, and we
Speaker 2: truly appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, truly, truly, truly you deserve all the honors. And
Speaker 3: you know, like I tell people all the time, none
Speaker 3: of this means we're perfect, because we're not perfect.
Speaker 1: We mess out Aaron Donald exactly, We're not perfect.
Speaker 2: Tim Scott, they could take We give him Byron Donalds,
Speaker 2: Kennis Owns and Tim Scott and you can just.
Speaker 1: Come on to But yeah, I did.
Speaker 3: I do want to underscore that point that for those
Speaker 3: who are listening. I know there's ten people and saying no,
Speaker 3: but he did this to me and I didn't like
Speaker 3: when he said that, and he did this that Yet
Speaker 3: all of us, we know whatever he did to you,
Speaker 3: he did it you're right, I get it, I understand.
Speaker 3: But the overall point is that the work and the
Speaker 3: mission and the authenticity is what's important. Can we all
Speaker 3: improve certainly? Are we working on that?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Should we be called in and have to have conversations, well,
Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, you took the credit for
Speaker 3: my thing, you stepped on my top.
Speaker 1: Whatever that is.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, we should definitely reconcile those things. But it is
Speaker 3: important to be able to lift your work jolly and
Speaker 3: make sure that you feel supported, because not just your children,
Speaker 3: but also for you. We all want to die with
Speaker 3: a better place, and right now it's going back to
Speaker 3: worse than it was before we were born. And that's
Speaker 3: something that, as you said, I just can't sit by
Speaker 3: and watch it happen. So I am very grateful for
Speaker 3: you becoming one of the TMI show alumni. Yeah, you're
Speaker 3: alumnion and you could come back anytime you want.
Speaker 5: I've been on a lot of podcasts and with Tamika
Speaker 5: here up last week, Hey on our podcast, Yeah.
Speaker 6: Reality TV shows. I've been on Discovery.
Speaker 5: Channels, and I was really excited to be on your
Speaker 5: podcast because to what I do appreciate to.
Speaker 6: Work with you, dude, my sign.
Speaker 5: I know your story about you know, how you incarcerated,
Speaker 5: why you're incarcerated, and that shit means something to me.
Speaker 6: And I hate the thank yous, and I hate when
Speaker 6: people give me flowers. That's also you know.
Speaker 5: That's my therapist, something that's a result of being an
Speaker 5: abused child and not taking compliments well, but truth that
Speaker 5: I think to myself, like you just said, I could
Speaker 5: walk away tomorrow and just you know, assimilate into my
Speaker 5: white supremacy and be okay. And so that's like a
Speaker 5: motivating factor to me that the fact is we talk
Speaker 5: about these things, we say.
Speaker 6: These things happen, but they're not just fucking words and stories.
Speaker 6: They really really happen.
Speaker 5: And when we're watching what's happening right now, I think
Speaker 5: the most fascinating part for me is we've talked about
Speaker 5: this before. I've had these conversations in private. I've had
Speaker 5: these conversations in public. If we do X y Z,
Speaker 5: then ABC is going to happen.
Speaker 2: We did X y Z and.
Speaker 5: ABC, sure as fuck's happening right now. And so seeing
Speaker 5: it happen, seeing Donald Trump just absolutely dismantled the constitutions,
Speaker 5: seeing America become nineteen thirties Germany.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 5: It is overwhelming to the senses to see it happening,
Speaker 5: and I think a lot of people are dealing with
Speaker 5: it in different ways. But my message to everybody is
Speaker 5: it is happening. This is not just fucking hyperbolieve, this.
Speaker 6: Is not just a story.
Speaker 1: This is not just political the fear mongering and emotional right,
Speaker 1: this is.
Speaker 6: Real life happening. And every single moment in American.
Speaker 5: History where human rights were literally in the fire, the
Speaker 5: defining factor between good and evil was the people. And
Speaker 5: so your grandchildren are going to ask you one day,
Speaker 5: what did you do right now in this moment? And
Speaker 5: my only question to you is what the fuck's gonna
Speaker 5: be here?
Speaker 2: Answer?
Speaker 3: Thank you, jolly, We appreciate you, Russell Ellis. Thank you
Speaker 3: for joining the TMI Show today and keep doing your work.
Speaker 5: Brother.
Speaker 1: We support you.
Speaker 3: We are here to be partners and to figure out
Speaker 3: ways to fight back. You know, I think what we
Speaker 3: need one another right now more than ever, and we
Speaker 3: are certainly very appreciative of your work and will continue
Speaker 3: to support you as we hope that you do the
Speaker 3: same for us.
Speaker 6: Everything y'all doing. Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 6: I respect both of you, and I thank you so much.
Speaker 2: It's the only thing that's necessary for evil to prospers,
Speaker 2: for good men to do nothing.
Speaker 6: Man, thanks, I stand by. It's so true.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Shout out to our brother Russell Ellis aka Jolly Good.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It's an energy that he has. Man. Look,
Speaker 2: he has this, he has this revolutionary Santa Claus. Look
Speaker 2: about him, right, he looks like the cool white guy
Speaker 2: with the bed, but he has this fire in him
Speaker 2: and it's about justice. So I love him. I appreciate him.
Speaker 2: You know, people like are you racist? Everything is no,
Speaker 2: I'm not racist. I'm just anti white supremacy. It ain't
Speaker 2: white people, it's white supremacy. And when you when you
Speaker 2: on the side of what's right, I'm with you. If
Speaker 2: you speaking against negativity, you speaking against fascism, or you
Speaker 2: speaking against racism, if you're speaking against all isms and
Speaker 2: you're speaking on the side of what's right, then I'm
Speaker 2: with you. Don't try to put that on me because
Speaker 2: you mad that. I'm not gonna let you do racist
Speaker 2: shit or say racist shit, or be comfortable in racism.
Speaker 2: And we even got our own people that say, oh,
Speaker 2: you're racist because you talked, No, I'm not racist. I
Speaker 2: am a person of conscious right Eve. When a person
Speaker 2: of good conscious understands what racism does and he's able
Speaker 2: to identify racism and speak against racism all the time, mister,
Speaker 2: mister jolly good Ginger is one of our accomplices. As
Speaker 2: we like to say, no more allies, man. So I
Speaker 2: appreciate him, y'ad.
Speaker 1: I love him. He's good people.
Speaker 3: He's good people, and I don't I've never heard anybody
Speaker 3: say anything bad about him. But I bet you if
Speaker 3: I did some research, somebody I can find. I'm not
Speaker 3: talking about dumbfolk. The opposition to my eye phone.
Speaker 2: I bet I know that.
Speaker 3: When they see him on the thing, I can't believe
Speaker 3: you would have him. Don't you know that in nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy three he said this? And don't you know that
Speaker 3: he did this and he stole my credit and he
Speaker 3: was named that the so and so and I was
Speaker 3: the one did the thing.
Speaker 1: Set already know.
Speaker 3: But I'm I'm with him because I see, I know
Speaker 3: what he's doing is very dangerous, Like seriously, it's very well.
Speaker 2: I ask a question, like, I know you do you
Speaker 2: get death threats and you fear for your life because
Speaker 2: the white people mad at us and we're black, and
Speaker 2: they mad at us because we're black and were speaking
Speaker 2: against I know, but I'm just trying to say, I
Speaker 2: know how mad they ought to see black people speak
Speaker 2: against white supremacy. So when they feel like they got
Speaker 2: a trader and.
Speaker 1: They have killed the many, and they have killed the many,
Speaker 1: and they have killed.
Speaker 2: It's a person that's he's a trader of white supremacy.
Speaker 2: He's denounced white supremacy and he's gonna stand on the
Speaker 2: good side. And speaking of the good side, that brings
Speaker 2: me to my I don't get it for today. So
Speaker 2: if you haven't been up to speed, there's a young
Speaker 2: man by the name of Carmelo Anthony, a black young man.
Speaker 2: I think he's about seventeen years of age. He's been
Speaker 2: accused of murder of Austin Metcalf. Now, the circumstances surrounding
Speaker 2: his death was there was a game of sports game
Speaker 2: that they were at. He was sitting in the seat
Speaker 2: which was actually his seat, was he Carmelo Carmelo Carmelo
Speaker 2: was sitting in the seat who was actually his, which
Speaker 2: was actually his seat, and two white guys woke up
Speaker 2: to him threatening him, and he defended itself. Allegedly, this
Speaker 2: is what from witnesses saying that he was sitting there
Speaker 2: and he told him don't put their hands on him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I saw.
Speaker 3: Ben Crump wrote about this too, and and because Ben
Speaker 3: was asked to look at it and to make you
Speaker 3: give an objective opinion. And you know, Ben, he don't
Speaker 3: play if it ain't right.
Speaker 2: And there's other video servicing where you've seen another situation
Speaker 2: where a white man was doing something to him, being
Speaker 2: aggressive to him, or he was just interviewed. It's just
Speaker 2: who he was sitting there interviewing a white guy and
Speaker 2: somebody was very disrespectful to him and his camera man
Speaker 2: was he.
Speaker 1: Okay? So Carmelo Anthony was interviewing.
Speaker 2: Interviewing a white guy in another scenario and it wasn't
Speaker 2: even at the game. He was just on campus interviewing
Speaker 2: the white guy and the guy came over with disrespecting
Speaker 2: him and his camera man, and you can see he
Speaker 2: was polite. He was like, hey, what's going on here?
Speaker 2: Like why would he talk to my camera?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: And they they left without incident. So then at the school,
Speaker 2: so now at this game that they were at you know.
Speaker 2: Witnesses say that he was sitting in the seat. They
Speaker 2: told him to get up, he said, on this is
Speaker 2: my seat. They threatened him, he told him, don't put
Speaker 2: your hands on me, and allegedly, based on witnesses testimony,
Speaker 2: they jumped him.
Speaker 3: And they being Austin Metcalf, Metcalf and another guy all
Speaker 3: still the same age, right, because that's the game, that's right.
Speaker 3: I really am asking these questions because I've seen it everywhere,
Speaker 3: and I saw you talking about it, and I read
Speaker 3: a statement from Ben that I thought was really powerful,
Speaker 3: but I really did not know all the details because
Speaker 3: of so many other things we've been dealing with.
Speaker 1: So I'm really trying to understand.
Speaker 2: So this is what happened. And then allegedly he had
Speaker 2: a knife over a pocket knife, and in his defense,
Speaker 2: you know, he decided he used the knife and Austin
Speaker 2: Metcalf was pronounced dead at the scene. So, and there's
Speaker 2: been a lot of just different outlooks, you know, I
Speaker 2: for one, believe that the man deserves his day in court,
Speaker 2: you know, and if what they say happened, allegedly that
Speaker 2: these people gemmed him and he was defending himself, then
Speaker 2: that will come out in court as well, you know,
Speaker 2: and a lot of people have raised money against for
Speaker 2: him to make sure that he has a legal defense
Speaker 2: team that could accurately defense him, like just like you know,
Speaker 2: we have Kyle Ridhouse Naus or whatever.
Speaker 1: Is Kyle Rittenhouse.
Speaker 2: I don't even care, and all you know, they they
Speaker 2: constantly make sure that the white guys who commit murdered
Speaker 2: against black people have the adequate you know, defense teams
Speaker 2: and money for it. So people were angry about him
Speaker 2: being able to raise money. So you know, I've been
Speaker 2: very vocal about that, but I've seen this video today
Speaker 2: that was quite enlightening. Now there is a group called
Speaker 2: Protect White Americans and it's an anti white violence coalition.
Speaker 2: And one of the guys who was there, his name
Speaker 2: is Jack Lane. He was speaking, he was being interviewed,
Speaker 2: and the father of Austin Metcalf was on the phone
Speaker 2: and Jack was telling him, hey were very strong. If
Speaker 2: you came down to sit down here with us as
Speaker 2: we advocate for your son, it will be very strong.
Speaker 2: And now listen, Austin Metcalf's father wants justice for his son.
Speaker 2: His name is Jeff Metcalf. He wants justice for his
Speaker 2: son his son was killed than as any father would.
Speaker 2: He wants to see whoever did it held accountable. That's
Speaker 2: that's a real thing. But what he said was so powerful.
Speaker 2: He realized that this Jacqueline guy and Protect White Americans
Speaker 2: organization Anti White Violence, which okay, organization was trying to
Speaker 2: use his son's likeness in situation to promote racial division. Right,
Speaker 2: because most people are not saying that this situation was
Speaker 2: racially motivated. They were saying, it's a self defense situation.
Speaker 3: Well, it depends on which way where when the racism began,
Speaker 3: because it's possible that those two white guys going to
Speaker 3: Carmelo Anthony and telling him to get out of his
Speaker 3: seat that may have been racially may have been, but.
Speaker 2: That hasn't been the theme of it, Okay. The theme
Speaker 2: of this situation was two people approached one person, he
Speaker 2: defended itself, and he's happened to be white, I mean,
Speaker 2: the person who lost their life having to be white,
Speaker 2: and the young man happened to be black, and black
Speaker 2: people are saying this man had a right to defend
Speaker 2: himself against two people and the man's father and everybody else,
Speaker 2: and most people are saying that he had the right.
Speaker 1: To live so that they gotta go to court.
Speaker 2: They need to. So what these people are trying to
Speaker 2: do now is make it seem like there was violence
Speaker 2: against a white person that it was just it was
Speaker 2: good because he was because he was white. That's why
Speaker 2: he lost his life.
Speaker 3: And the fact that the black guy is able to
Speaker 3: raise money means they're trying to trying to I saw
Speaker 3: something about this. They're trying to pretty much equate it
Speaker 3: with Dylan Ruth and Kyle rittenhou Is, like, oh, y'all
Speaker 3: was mad about that, So now why you're not mad
Speaker 3: at a black boy has raised X amount of dollars
Speaker 3: in his defense against a white man, a white young
Speaker 3: young man. Right. But the thing about it is, and
Speaker 3: also it's important to say because this is what I read,
Speaker 3: that the money that was raised went through a channel
Speaker 3: that stopped it before distributes, because they're now doing legal
Speaker 3: stuff to find out how is the money being used.
Speaker 3: So actually, Carmelo Anthony has not benefited from the money
Speaker 3: that was raised. So they just wanted they was out
Speaker 3: there the other day like let's just start with the
Speaker 3: misinformation and the jumping to conclusions we don't know yet
Speaker 3: about that money.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, exactly, and this Jacquline guy was actually trying
Speaker 2: to utilize Austin Metcalf as a poster boy for this
Speaker 2: anti white violence. And the father said, you know, I
Speaker 2: don't want my son's face, likeness or anything associated with
Speaker 2: you got because what you trying to do is cause
Speaker 2: racial division and that's not what this is about. I
Speaker 2: don't respect what you do, and I don't want anything
Speaker 2: to do with you. Take my son, Take my son's
Speaker 2: face and everything off. And Jack Lane said, this is weakness, sir,
Speaker 2: this is white guilt. You know, you're showing weakness. And
Speaker 2: then it was and it happened to be this.
Speaker 1: The rack they got, and it happened to be and.
Speaker 2: It happened to be a black guy tap dancing in
Speaker 2: the back line, black guy speaking, you know it is
Speaker 2: we just showing weakness and do you even talking? It
Speaker 2: was so like, what what are you even talking about?
Speaker 2: Black guy? Sir? What what he said? Because he was
Speaker 2: Jack jack Lane told he was on the phone.
Speaker 3: With the dad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he told Jack that they were out in public.
Speaker 2: Okay, listening, he got the camera, they got the phone.
Speaker 2: It's a guy. Let him listen to it. Jeff is
Speaker 2: saying and jack Lane looks at him and said, looking
Speaker 2: at the phone, and said, sounds like white guilt, sir,
Speaker 2: it's white Guilt's showing weakness. You should be standing with us.
Speaker 2: And he's like, no, I don't want to stand with
Speaker 2: some ship that I know is bigotry. And then you're
Speaker 2: trying to use my son to promote your racist bullshit,
Speaker 2: and we not with that. And then there's a black
Speaker 2: guy in the back. He leans over black guy here,
Speaker 2: Black guy here. It is showing weakness. And I'm just like, bro,
Speaker 2: what you even gonna have to do? Let them people
Speaker 2: handle their.
Speaker 1: You because I want to put him on.
Speaker 2: Somebody get his name, because we need to talk to him.
Speaker 2: I need to have a conversation because I need to
Speaker 2: understand what is he even talking about. But what I
Speaker 2: just don't get is why are people trying to utilize
Speaker 2: this situation for racial division? Right? Why are you mad
Speaker 2: at a father who doesn't want to his face, his
Speaker 2: son's face, to be utilized in something that he doesn't
Speaker 2: stand for.
Speaker 1: Right, You're gonna force the man.
Speaker 2: Gon force the man to be with the racism, because
Speaker 2: you with the racism. You want him to be with
Speaker 2: the anti white violence, which is not really a thing,
Speaker 2: because you know, it's not really a thing. It's not
Speaker 2: something that's overwhelmingly impacting our communities. So why would you
Speaker 2: want to utilize this boy in this situation and be
Speaker 2: mad at him and call him weak? Like the crazy
Speaker 2: shit is that you gonna call that man weak? Well,
Speaker 2: that man lost his son. You got the gall You
Speaker 2: got the gall to sit there and tell that man
Speaker 2: he's weak because he don't want to be involved with
Speaker 2: your situation, like somebody, these people need some help. Man,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Look, white privilege and white supremacy go
Speaker 2: hand in hand because black people would never say we
Speaker 2: wouldn't give for what was going on. White people Black
Speaker 2: purchase saying I don't want my son to do this.
Speaker 3: We had situations where we think, family, you think it's
Speaker 3: supposed to be a fight, we're getting out there, were
Speaker 3: about to show up, and I don't want to be
Speaker 3: associated with that. We don't believe in that.
Speaker 1: That stuff is.
Speaker 3: You know, I could think of a family that was
Speaker 3: like that in a major case and the reason and
Speaker 3: people will be they'll see me in the street or online,
Speaker 3: they'll be like, why didn't.
Speaker 1: We do anything about stuff?
Speaker 3: What happened with such and such, and of course, well
Speaker 3: I don't say that because the integrity of the family
Speaker 3: is also important. So you don't want to be like,
Speaker 3: well they didn't want to anybody to stand up for that.
Speaker 3: You just say, you know what, it just you know,
Speaker 3: there are other people that are handling it. I'm not
Speaker 3: really involved in that situation anymore, but I certainly pray
Speaker 3: for or hope that whatever, and just kind of let
Speaker 3: it go.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, you got black.
Speaker 3: Folks that's in the background, who's supposed to be the
Speaker 3: family members of tomorrow. I don't associate with that. I
Speaker 3: don't think that all police are bad. I you know,
Speaker 3: I stand with the cops and I want peace and
Speaker 3: I you know, and it's.
Speaker 1: Just like, gotcha, you got it. I never said that
Speaker 1: all police was bad. Where you get that from? But
Speaker 1: as soon as they say that, as.
Speaker 3: Soon as they say that, I don't believe that all
Speaker 3: police are bad, and I don't want you know already
Speaker 3: the mindset that's coming behind you.
Speaker 2: And it's like, once you say that, we can't galvanize
Speaker 2: the people to speak against this individual because you've already nullified.
Speaker 1: The fight, right, So, and if people like that and
Speaker 1: we back up.
Speaker 2: And because that's your ideology, that's your theory of your
Speaker 2: child and also your child or your family member, whoever
Speaker 2: it is. And if you're in charge and you don't
Speaker 2: want the fight for your child to happen in that manner,
Speaker 2: then people have to respect it. But not this white man.
Speaker 2: He called the man weak and dealing with he told me,
Speaker 2: dealing with white guilt and the black man.
Speaker 3: So this week or you're giving in or you're going
Speaker 3: to create more awestin people.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Gonna be more medcasts because of you. It's like, come on, man,
Speaker 2: it's like, we just gotta do better and white black
Speaker 2: people mind their business. Man, where would you come from?
Speaker 2: Why did that man say that black person here it
Speaker 2: is weakness? And he leaned back up and you just
Speaker 2: looked at his face and said, he got his good
Speaker 2: old tap dancing shoes.
Speaker 1: I have to see him.
Speaker 2: Oh man, somebody got to give me his name. Please.
Speaker 2: If y'all find his name, please put it under there,
Speaker 2: because I need to know who he is. We need
Speaker 2: to bring him to the round table. Man. There's that
Speaker 2: there's that well that brings us to the end of
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