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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha and welcome to stuff.

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Speaker 2: I never told you proflection, have I heard you?

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Speaker 1: And we decided as this month has become kind of

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Speaker 1: crunch time in our years, there's so many things extra happening,

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Speaker 1: including Stewary Duty. Yeah that's the curse and I got it,

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Speaker 1: and I got it. It got me. But with that

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Speaker 1: We've got so many things happening, we decided we would

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Speaker 1: add a spoiled Saturday episode. But it fits pretty perfectly

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Speaker 1: with our childhood memories theme that we've been doing this month.

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Speaker 1: So for today's episode, we are featuring K Pop Demon Hunter,

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Speaker 1: which is on Netflix, not a sponsor. Uh, if you

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Speaker 1: want to take a moment and go watch it, you

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Speaker 1: should before we talk about it. If you don't and

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Speaker 1: wouldn't need that as well. But obviously, since it was

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Speaker 1: just released, spoilers, spoilers all around, So if you don't

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Speaker 1: want to, yes, if you don't want to be spoiled,

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Speaker 1: I would not listen to this all right, So some

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Speaker 1: background why this has made its mark in entertainment thus far.

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Speaker 1: It is a Sony production, so the same people as

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Speaker 1: Spider Verse that and absolutely loves This is the first

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Speaker 1: movie written and directed by Korean Canadian Maggie Kung with

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Speaker 1: Chris Applehans, so they co directed it. But this is

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Speaker 1: a story that Maggie has been working on for quite

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Speaker 1: some time, so she wanted to combine her heritage with

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Speaker 1: the legends and history of South Korea. She is a

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Speaker 1: seasoned storyteller, working previously with DreamWorks on animations like Kung Fu, Panda, Shrek,

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Speaker 1: and Minnie Minnie Moore. She told geek Out that this

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Speaker 1: about k pop Demon Hunter. I've always wanted to see

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Speaker 1: an animated film set in Korean culture as a Korean

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Speaker 1: person who is born in Korea but grew up in

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Speaker 1: Now that we are, I feel so much pride, and

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Speaker 1: love that. And yes, this animation has made Netflix history,

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Speaker 1: or so they say. This is what they wrote on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: It is the first Netflix film ever to reach a

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Speaker 1: new viewing peak in its fifth week of release. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and this isn't the only record so on Netflix in itself.

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Speaker 1: record they broke. In fact, this is this fake group Hunterricks,

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Speaker 1: which is centered around has actually become the highest charting

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Speaker 1: beating even BTS. So apparently BT has only hit number

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Speaker 1: three or I think three with Dynamite a few years ago.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, they it has outstripped that. Once again, a

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Speaker 1: They've been charting on things like the Billboard charts and

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Speaker 1: There is a scene Annie, I know, you know, in

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Speaker 1: I love it so much so, but again it also

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Speaker 1: and history, including the costuming, the legends of the Saja,

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Speaker 1: into the plot. The world is in need of protection

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Speaker 1: and has been for all of eternity, and those who

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Speaker 1: and as a writer from the kidnim draws dot Com explains,

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Speaker 1: This is a shield that covers and protects the earth

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Speaker 1: the demons is the great and evil Guimma, and throughout

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Speaker 1: what did you think about this movie?

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Speaker 3: I really enjoyed it. I thought it was beautifully animated,

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Speaker 3: which is funny to be because I always know you

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Speaker 1: You love love a good friendship store is so good

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Speaker 3: And and Guma is like a big devil mouth looking thing.

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Speaker 3: But I do think that's interesting because we've seen that

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Speaker 2: Also this idea of like casting that spell.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and the fact that that they earned the trust

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Speaker 1: And the others that sing on these songs are also

432
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 1: either trainees, had been trainees, or writers and producers. So

433
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 1: it seems so it does an interesting mix. People are

434
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: getting good and EJ can hit those notes down like

435
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 1: chilling notes. Anyway, moving on, so obviously, another big part

436
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: of this movie, as Kong has actually said herself, is

437
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: the culture of South Korea and in the heritage. The

438
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 1: mix between southern South Korean history that we were talking

439
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: about with all the weapons, with all the costumes, with

440
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: all of the locations even really mixes well with the

441
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: modern day Hollywood in what we see in dancing and

442
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: the wrapping some of the rahmin once again, which was

443
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: really funny to me, the costuming, the lights, the shows.

444
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 1: There are idol shows that they happen every week that

445
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 1: whoever like tops the charts goes and performs and does

446
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: it Weekly, which I'm like, huh, that used to be

447
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 1: our MTV. Oh yeah, well you know they still do that.

448
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, that's really interesting, but that does exist.

449
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: I've seen the countdowns and different things that they do.

450
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: It's really interesting to see and how they've celebrated and

451
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: who as what. And then of course this whole cultural

452
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,239
Speaker 1: thing with you and I talked about it. You had

453
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: said that because I said that I think you're want

454
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: to see a lot of these costumes at Dragon Con,

455
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 1: which I'm very excited about and want to see. And

456
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 1: you were talking about that. People have already talked about

457
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: being respectful in the costumes. What were you telling me exactly?

458
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 3: So I'm going to clarify. I heard this through a

459
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 3: friend who's much more online than I am. She told

460
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 3: me that there had already been an online conversation about

461
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 3: I think it was specifically the boy band and their

462
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 3: costuming and being respectful about it and being aware of

463
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,719
Speaker 3: like the history behind it and just not being offensive.

464
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 2: Right, That's what she said. I'm pretty sure.

465
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: From what I can gather, like being like like no

466
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: regae that is very specific culturally, but I don't like

467
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: unless you take it and make it like a panties

468
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: or like chastity bell some for so, you know, like

469
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: something really obscure. I don't see it being super offensive,

470
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: like even humbucks. Like I know a lot of the

471
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: times when people go to South Korea, you can go

472
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: to the stores and that's like period costumes like any

473
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: of those, and visit the old historical places and all

474
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: of these things, and it's actually encouraged. It is something

475
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: that is beautiful and we love to see what we

476
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: don't want to see, what any no one wants to

477
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: see of any other culture. Is taking whatever it may

478
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: be ceremonial or traditional, misconstruing it to be something you

479
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 1: created with these ideals, and then renaming things that is

480
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 1: like even to the point that we see i want

481
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: to say Filipino level of ube, which has been huge

482
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 1: and trending, and then people taking it being like we

483
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: need a little bit like sugary. I'm a white person

484
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: who's going to do it this way, and you're like,

485
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: what is happening, or along the lines of like Macha,

486
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: which is obviously very very big, and then white people

487
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: taking in marketing and be like I went to Japan

488
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 1: one time and I loved it so I'm creating my

489
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: own and this is mine and I'm up charged. Like

490
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: stuff like that is absolutely disrespectful loving a culture, especially

491
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: when it's as seemingly ignored as South Korean culture and

492
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: oftentimes the mean or sidelined for like China Chinese culture,

493
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: which by the way, Chinese is a huge country, so

494
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: having one ideal of even that culture is almost an

495
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: offensive and ignorant in itself. So like so many things

496
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: said that. But with Asacha Boys, I know they are

497
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: grim Reapers. I don't know if it's ceremonial, don't know

498
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: if it's a funeral where that that might be the problem.

499
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: Of course, if you're wearing something that is supposed to

500
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: be for funerals, is that you're are partying in it.

501
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: That that's disrespectful because like death rituals and like ancestry

502
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: risk rules very very sacred, very very much so, so

503
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: stuff like that, Yes, I think you need to understand

504
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: what these are. Again, the Saja Boys are a play

505
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: on the grim Reapers, so look into that. Yeah, we

506
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: would look into that. But I don't think in general,

507
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: like hmbucks and the hats are in general are not

508
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: necessary or the gut are not necessarily disrespectful if you're

509
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: doing something, whether if you're painting, obs seeing things on it,

510
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: Don't do that, don't do that, don't portuce. I would

511
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: tell you not to pretend to be a shaman in

512
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: any way. Koreans are real can be real superstitious on that,

513
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: and I am too. Not why I'm little superstigious. I

514
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: don't want to curse myself in general, I think things

515
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,719
Speaker 1: like that have to be looked at as well. Again, like,

516
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: there's so much to this. And I say this as

517
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: not an expert, as someone who has ignored this culture

518
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: for so long, who's been afraid of this culture, who

519
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: felt like if I even pretended I like or who

520
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: we have even like interests, that I was pretending. There's

521
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: so much to this, And I want to note like

522
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: watching this movie, getting ready to talk about this, talking

523
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: about why I love it as much as I do,

524
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: because this has become something that I've grown to love.

525
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,719
Speaker 1: Like I've watched this too many times and I was

526
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: really really hesitant in even starting to watch this because

527
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: it felt kitchy. Also, there's still that childhood part of

528
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: me that really wants to be white because I was

529
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: brought into white culture. Was told white is the savior

530
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: of all and the fixer and the best thing to

531
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: be is white, and even Korean culture kind of holds

532
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: to that standard as well, and so so part of

533
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: me feeling like seeing this celebrating a culture seemed foreign

534
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: and almost the anti of who I was growing up,

535
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: I guess. And so to find something like this culturally impacting,

536
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: celebrating loving, not any characaturish characters like it is but

537
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: it is. It isn't making fun of a culture, or

538
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: it isn't making fun of an accent, It isn't making

539
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: fun of a saying, It isn't making fun of a food.

540
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: It is like all these things which I see way

541
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: too often, that happens way too often, that has to

542
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: be addressed way too often, and being told that I'm

543
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: being too sensitive, And then if I can't joke like that,

544
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: then what am I doing with? Like why am I

545
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: being so sensitive? Being constantly being misconstrued as Chinese? And

546
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: now for the first time, everybody's saying, are you Korean,

547
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: which is also a fear of mine that I'm like, no,

548
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: But we don't want to make that a better thing

549
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: either or the more recognizable thing either. We need to

550
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: understand is a vast It's a vast area, and that

551
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: to be able to acknowledge all of all of the

552
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: different areas and appreciate all of the different areas is

553
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: something that needs to happen. But as someone who has

554
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: ignored and run from it for so long, has feared it,

555
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: has not felt good enough for it, has not understood it,

556
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: has felt like acknowledging this culture meant I was disrespecting

557
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: the people who brought like who took me in. I'm

558
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: putting that in quotes. So many of that conversation pops too,

559
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: and I'm wishing, like, had I had something like this

560
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:10,239
Speaker 1: that celebrated Korean culture like this, what I have been

561
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: less ashamed or less likely to turn away from it

562
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: or been less hesitant in learning more about it, because

563
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm so far behind in learning something

564
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: that it should be so important to me, like having

565
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: a part of that is my identity feels so again

566
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: too late, And I've kind of had that conversation about

567
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: being too old for some of these things, whether it's

568
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: connecting with family, connecting with culture, connecting with ideas, there's

569
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: a lot to this, and also having that guilt and

570
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: knowing that some of Korean culture, a lot of k

571
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 1: pop culture, perpetuates racist ideals and stereotypes within things that

572
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: are being oppressed here in the US. There's like this

573
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: bigger picture of this. I have the celebrations, I have

574
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: the desire. I'm so excited to hear this music and

575
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: song and hear Korean and see the handbox and see

576
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: the folklore. But at the same time, I feel like

577
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: I am overwhelmed with guilt and ignorance when in trying

578
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: to love and like these things. There's so much to

579
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: this in that level, but also the bigger part of

580
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: me which begged for representation and so clung to things

581
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: like Brandy, who I love and I'm so glad I

582
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: loved her music, but because she was not white and

583
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: she was she was cast into love. To have a

584
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: romance with an Asian man like that was enough for

585
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: me to love things like Mulan and have to dress

586
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: up like that, because I was the only Asian Ish

587
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: representation that I saw as a good thing and as

588
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: a strong thing, instead of being a caricature like pretty

589
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: and Pink or Breakfast at Tiffany's, which mock Asian people

590
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: in general, or fetishizes Asian people in general, and so

591
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: seeing that and wishing that I had such a representation

592
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: and what would that have made for me? Embracing my

593
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: you know, being so young, like being that person and

594
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: being loving the food that I love that brings so

595
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: much memories triggers as well. There is so much in

596
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: this context that seeing them be the center of the

597
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: story phenomenal. Again, when we talked about just as long

598
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: as we're together, my desperation to see any lightness of

599
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: me was so strong because I always felt like a

600
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: side character, the sidekick, and not wanting to be first

601
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: time centered in something is beautiful. And again back to

602
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: the other Happy Hour episode where it was like, but

603
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: it feels like it's too late, I'm too old for

604
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: this point of being. But there's so so many things

605
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: that pop through my head as I'm watching this, Like

606
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: it actually has me tearing up when I watched this

607
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: cartoon animation, because there is something that you can be

608
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: proud of, like my skin tone, my eye shape, my

609
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: speech even isn't foreign, isn't weird, isn't unusual as where

610
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: in you know, North Georgia Mountains, University of Georgia, unless

611
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: you're a part of that clique, and there's a clique.

612
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: When it comes to the Asian community, you are the

613
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 1: odd one. You are the one that's singled out when

614
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,439
Speaker 1: growing up being stared at in an all white town

615
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: because I'm at this Asian person walking in and people

616
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: like who is that? What is that? And then my

617
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: mom trying to be cute and being like no, because

618
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: you're so cute, and I'm like, that's not why. Let's

619
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: talk about the elephant in the room here, like thank

620
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: you and all, but that's a lie and I don't

621
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: want we need to talk about this. So there's so

622
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: many levels in this movie that hit me as an

623
00:34:52,600 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: adult Korean woman that felt embraced but also conflicted. This

624
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: has made an impact. I will forever think about this

625
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: as something especially because it balanced Western Koreans with a

626
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: South Korean's Eastern born Eastern Asian people who are like, wow, okay,

627
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: this feels familiar, as opposed to watching k dramas where

628
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: it feels still foreign or a dream state, like things

629
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: look familiar but as if I jumped them, versus this

630
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: being like, okay it is today and now that I'm

631
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: more familiar with with a mix of Western depiction, I

632
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: guess is the best way to say it without being whitewashed,

633
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 1: which is the other part to that. And with that,

634
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: I think when we talk about these types of shows,

635
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: I also have this fear that this could be a

636
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: whitewashing of Asian characters. When you have voices that supposed

637
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: to be Asian and it's not Asian. That is the

638
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: biggest disappointment that I can ever think of. I'm like,

639
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: why would they do this when you had characters are

640
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: supposed to be Asian. They're like, we're gonna make it white.

641
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: They look, they have a little bit of slant in

642
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: their eyes. They think it possibly mixed. Scarlet Johansen is

643
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: not Asian. I will fight you the day we die,

644
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: you know, But that level like of that whitewashing. There's

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Speaker 1: this conversation of the newest Broadway musical and which was

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Speaker 1: written for uh in Korean standard and has half white people,

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Speaker 1: which is what it is, But then they're talking about

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Speaker 1: it being cast fully white now, and the argument which

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Speaker 1: I've had argue to me about how well, you know,

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Speaker 1: Koreans take white shows and make it Korean. Why can't

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Speaker 1: we do that here? But like, but Korean Americans exist.

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Speaker 1: This is not there's no more like. The differentiation is huge,

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Speaker 1: and to be fair, I also think it's funny when

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Speaker 1: I see K dramas like depicting white people as all

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Speaker 1: Americans and you can tovily tell their accent is like

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Speaker 1: Russian or German and you're like that they are absolutely

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Speaker 1: not from the US, but good try. I like that

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Speaker 1: there are moments like that when you have like and understanding,

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Speaker 1: like you don't understand what it means to have representation

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Speaker 1: because you've always had it and you never had to

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Speaker 1: think about whether or not it wouldn't be it wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be there. And then with that all by the way

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Speaker 1: they did have I love that they mixed the casts

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Speaker 1: so it was both Korean Americans, Korean Western Korean people

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Speaker 1: who maybe in from Canada whatever whatnot to also having

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Speaker 1: Korean actors South Korean actors. So we had Arden Cho

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Speaker 1: who was she was dern dirty on a couple of

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Speaker 1: c W shows and I'm glad to see her make

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Speaker 1: it into this. We have Daniel Day Kim, who is

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Speaker 1: an icon and heart throb and hello, how are you?

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Speaker 1: My name is Smantha, Come see me, who got to

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Speaker 1: be a small minor role, and then we have kN Jong.

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Speaker 1: We all know who he is. He is a comedian

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Speaker 1: who is the doctor who's he exists. Then we have

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Speaker 1: the Korean stars Lee Byong Hin, who is one of

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Speaker 1: the ones I was talking about. He has a sketchy

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Speaker 1: passed really sad because he is huge in both Squid

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Speaker 1: Games and this, but they are very easily dismissive of

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Speaker 1: sexual harassment allegations and charges. We have Anhyo soap, which

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Speaker 1: I've talked about him before because he was one of

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Speaker 1: my first like interactions with K drama. They're like, I

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Speaker 1: like that, Oh, who is this guy who is Canadian?

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Speaker 1: Actually he was born in Canada but has been in

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Speaker 1: South Korea and has made a huge name for himself

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Speaker 1: as a South Korean K drama actor. So he has

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Speaker 1: a bit of an accent, which I think is kind

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Speaker 1: of funny to me to see is Canadian, but because

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Speaker 1: I guess, I guess he's been in South Korea so

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Speaker 1: long that it sounds like like English is a second language,

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Speaker 1: which I don't believe it is. But he who plays

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Speaker 1: genu Is also was a training and then decided to

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Speaker 1: act in model. They didn't use his voice though for

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Speaker 1: most of the songs. It was a different Andrew Troy

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Speaker 1: I believe is his name is the one who ends

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Speaker 1: up singing for him, and he was a writer in

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Speaker 1: Trainees well, but having him in there in one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite KA drama's business proposal. I've talked about this

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Speaker 1: one before and they actually have that little like name

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Speaker 1: like theme song cop in this is an easter egg

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Speaker 1: when he walks in, when you introduce to Gino as

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Speaker 1: human for is like that, and I'm like, I love

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Speaker 1: a good throw it like little secrets that we know

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Speaker 1: one of them. But yeah, So I loved everything about that.

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Speaker 1: Having actual celebrities or stars or actors who are in

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Speaker 1: that world who have been dismissed for so long to

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Speaker 1: be able to be a part of that success. I

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Speaker 1: love every bit of that. And that's the representation that

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Speaker 1: we've been begging for. That I've been begging for that.

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Speaker 1: People who want to see more of their ethnicity, their

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Speaker 1: community being represented. That's what we're begging for, the more

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Speaker 1: of that. Please. It doesn't take much and it's a

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Speaker 1: huge success, a huge success. Also, we had a small

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Speaker 1: moment with Selene singing, so the ac actress who played

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Speaker 1: that did not sing it was Leah Soalanga, the Filipino

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Speaker 1: icon and queen of Broadway that I've spoken previously when

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Speaker 1: we talked about BBS and Ley Miz and again me

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Speaker 1: clinging to any type of representation as a child, she

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Speaker 1: had a little minor row and I hope if they

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Speaker 1: do have a backstory, that we get to have a

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Speaker 1: longer edition of her musical talents because we need those,

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Speaker 1: we need that in our lives. Yeah, thank you for

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Speaker 1: going on this journey with me. There's so much to this.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk more about this. I want to

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Speaker 1: see more things like this. I hope that there is

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Speaker 1: a sequel that Kang is a part of and if any,

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Speaker 1: because I feel like we've talked about how we think

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Speaker 1: that some of the studios may be listening to us

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Speaker 1: and taking our ideas or suggestions. If you are listening

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Speaker 1: and Kwang is not on there, we're going to be upset.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, we'll talk about it.

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Speaker 3: Correct, that's right, you watch out the big studio. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll come back and talk about this more.

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Speaker 3: I will definitely report after Dragon Con. Yes, what I

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Speaker 3: see some pictures, I will.

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Speaker 2: I'll try to do better.

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Speaker 3: I'm not great at taking pictures, so I will do

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Speaker 3: my If I see them, I'll think of you, and

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Speaker 3: I'm be like, Okay, But I know that people are

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Speaker 3: loving this, and I'm sure many of you have plenty

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Speaker 3: of thoughts about it, So please right in if you

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Speaker 3: would like to, we would love to hear from you.

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Speaker 3: my aunt or contuter Joey.

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