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Speaker 1: Welcome Inside with the Insiders, another Monday YouTube spectacular. That's

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Speaker 1: Judy the Fista, that is the in rapid fort. I

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Speaker 1: am Tom Tellizero. We are recording this right now, almost

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Speaker 1: a precisely twenty four hours out from the NFL trade deadline.

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Speaker 1: We've already had I believe, nine trades that have executed

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Speaker 1: over the past several weeks. Here we will have full

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Speaker 1: coverage of all the trades still to come on the

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Speaker 1: Insiders Trade Deadline Special four pm Eastern Time on Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: November fifth. There is nothing else in this country you

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Speaker 1: should be paying attention to and watching that show and

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Speaker 1: watching the regular at Sarah shows at seven pm Eastern Time,

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Speaker 1: double dipping for us. Let's start out though, on this Monday,

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Speaker 1: as we usually do, with some reactions and some news

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Speaker 1: coming out of Sunday because Ian Let's start with the

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, who suffer another loss on the field to

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Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons, and perhaps more importantly, in the big

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Speaker 1: picture of their season, they also suffer a big loss

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Speaker 1: moving forward.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know which who the cops are chasing.

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Speaker 2: I assume that's Judy's department, like always.

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Speaker 3: Which you know, I get it.

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Speaker 2: There's trouble brewing, and I think mostly for the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: You know, there was a viral sort of shot of

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Speaker 2: Dak Prescott standing on the sideline hamstring herding, not in

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Speaker 2: the game, any mouthed words that basically were like, we

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Speaker 2: are not a great football team right now. I think

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Speaker 2: that was what he said. You'd say, yeah, there's the

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Speaker 2: and the f course, which is not allowed in my

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Speaker 2: family except if my wife says that, which is really

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Speaker 2: angry and right.

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Speaker 3: They are not a good football team. And the fact that.

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Speaker 2: You know the fact that they probably lost Dak Prescott

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Speaker 2: for several weeks. I would say my read on the

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Speaker 2: situation is probably three weeks, but maybe four because you

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Speaker 2: have the Thanksgiving game which is like four days after,

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Speaker 2: so just schedule wise, it could end up being four.

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Speaker 2: We don't know if Dak Prescott's going on ir but

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Speaker 2: certainly gonna miss some time. Maybe they get Micah Parsons back,

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I think it's possible, but maybe this

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Speaker 2: injury is taken longer than you know, longer than they anticipated.

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Speaker 2: But it's not good and this should be a good

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Speaker 2: football team. They should be running on all cylinders. They

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Speaker 2: have a lot of talent, and they have looked bad

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Speaker 2: in so many different ways. And I don't quite understand,

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Speaker 2: Judy why.

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Speaker 3: I just know this. They are three and five and

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Speaker 3: if they're.

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Speaker 2: Gonna make a run, it's gonna have to be with

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Speaker 2: Cooper Rush pulling the strings for several games.

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Speaker 3: That is not what you want.

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Speaker 4: That is just not what you want. Part of what's

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Speaker 4: so interesting about the Cowboys is, and this is before

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Speaker 4: Dak got hurt yesterday, and it's even before yesterday's game,

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Speaker 4: is they have looked listless, lacking in energy, and I

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Speaker 4: don't know, I don't know why that is. Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: mean the injuries. I mean teams have injuries. I mean,

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Speaker 4: obviously an injury to Dak Prescott is very bad, but

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Speaker 4: teams have injuries. But they have just looked flat, going

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Speaker 4: back to that game against the Lions when the Lions

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Speaker 4: just blew their doors off in Dallas, and I don't

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Speaker 4: know when it is like, why do they just seem disinterested?

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Speaker 4: They just don't seem to be up when they need

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Speaker 4: of Dak is bad. I was so interested in that

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Speaker 4: Jerry Jones sort of opened the door to the idea

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Speaker 4: that they could be buyers at the trade deadline. I

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Speaker 4: wonder that was before we knew the severity of Dak's injury.

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Speaker 2: But don't you think that when Jerry says something, you're

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Speaker 4: I don't know, he's the general manager of the team.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if the general manager is telling you out

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Speaker 4: loud might be buyers, you sort of have to say, like, oh, okay. Now, again,

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Speaker 4: that was before we knew how serious Dak's injury was,

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Speaker 4: that it would be weeks and so maybe things have changed.

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Speaker 4: But really really bad season, and they've they've got not

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Speaker 4: an easy schedule with the next few games. Like if

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Speaker 4: you assume that Dak is out for three or four games,

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Speaker 4: those are not three or four games that are going

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Speaker 4: to be easy. They've got the Eagles this weekend. I

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Speaker 4: think there's the Commanders are in there text.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's funny Eagles this Sunday, the Texans on a

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Speaker 1: and then home on Thanksgiving against the Giants. Like that's

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Speaker 1: the stretch that may well define your season, for better

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Speaker 1: or worse. You go three and one in that stretch,

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Speaker 1: when we've seen him on the field, he's performed pretty good.

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Speaker 1: they've needed him to in these short bursts, has come

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen Cooper Rush other than playing obviously, at

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Speaker 1: the end of that game yesterday, after Dak drops out,

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Speaker 1: play in a couple of years, So you know, I

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Speaker 1: think that the energy is always hard to measure when

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Speaker 1: I watched them, I think that a lot of times,

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Speaker 1: recently here it's like when you need a play, where

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Speaker 1: are you going? And there have been multiple times in

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Speaker 1: the high leverage moment that you're throwing like a fifty

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Speaker 1: second half of that game yester year. He was clearly

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Speaker 1: in a ton of pain. Sounds like he should be

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Speaker 1: okay here moving forward. But they haven't had Brandon Cooks

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Speaker 3: what he hoped right exactly?

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Speaker 1: Like who are who are the difference makers, right, Judy,

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Speaker 1: It's if you look at the Cowboys right now, your

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Speaker 1: DAK who has not played his best this season, and

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Speaker 1: don't know that there's anybody else in that offense do

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Speaker 1: you look at as a difference maker, especially with you know,

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Speaker 1: to go all the way back to free agency and

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Speaker 1: not to litigate the off season, because I know how

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Speaker 1: much Jerry Jones loves when people do that. But Tyron

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Speaker 1: the Commanders, you more or less just go that, will

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Speaker 1: draft some people and kind of slap it together and

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Speaker 1: we'll sign Dalvin Cook in August, like all that inactivity

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Speaker 1: Like it's hard for me, Judy to judge energy. I

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Speaker 1: just see a team that looks like at times on

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Speaker 1: not done that this season.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And just to go back to the schedule, I

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Speaker 4: which is obviously not great news. And if you look

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Speaker 4: look at their own division, they're probably gonna have to

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Speaker 4: make the playoffs. If that's even a topic for conversation

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Speaker 4: at this point, I don't know, but they would have

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Speaker 4: Commanders and are both well above them, and that would.

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Speaker 1: Though, look the Commander scheduled, Judy like it.

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Speaker 4: It gets harder, Yes it does, but both of those

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Speaker 4: teams would have to come way back to the Cowboys,

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Speaker 4: and the Cowboys would have to elevate, and if we're

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Speaker 4: you know, those two things are not gonna happen. So

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Speaker 4: that's tough. There's a lot of teams that are gonna

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Speaker 4: be bunched up there. So I mean, the three game

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Speaker 4: losing streak is bad. Obviously, losing DAK is devastating. I

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Speaker 4: just something is not right about this team this year.

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Speaker 2: I think about it from a coaching standpoint, and like, I, well,

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Speaker 2: I know we'll get to the Saints and this sort

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Speaker 2: of applies to them too, But like even though they

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Speaker 2: They're not playing like they're supposed to.

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Speaker 3: Like what are we missing? What are we not seeing?

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Speaker 2: Like I'm sure that is the absolute hardest thing for

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Speaker 2: like usually is they just they they look different. And

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Speaker 2: We will draft guys who will eventually be good enough

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Speaker 2: what Baltimore did. Took them a couple of games, but

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Speaker 2: they now got it rolling. That's what the Cowboys should be.

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Speaker 2: They got a couple of rookie offensive linemen who should

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Speaker 2: And it's like none of that's happened. So I don't

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Speaker 2: understand quite why. But I know this Cowboys team looks different,

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Speaker 2: they'll figure it out. Except the season's halfway over and

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Speaker 2: they just watched the starting quarterback.

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Speaker 1: So when if MICHAEH. Parsons gets back this week, which

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Speaker 1: to six weeks for a high ankle spring, you'd hope

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Speaker 1: he's back. He's gonna have to have a big impact

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Speaker 1: on everybody else, you know, defensively here as Blake from

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Speaker 1: our research department chimes into five offensive and defensive twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four Pro bowlers. Four of the five will potentially

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Speaker 3: He is not the boss. The owner is the boss.

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Speaker 3: It seemed like he was banged up all the time.

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Speaker 4: You just can't lose to the worst team in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: That's the bottom line.

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Speaker 4: The not many owners are all love that. I feel

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Speaker 4: Like they've got Derek Carr and he's not looked very

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Speaker 3: I hold on, were you sleeping or did you wake

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Speaker 3: Well, hold on, so you were in bed with Sarah.

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Speaker 2: Sarah was also in bed, or do you like get

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Speaker 4: Well this I once get an interview from the bathroom just.

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Speaker 1: talent outside It looks like Brock Bauers is going to

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Speaker 1: be a star at tight end position. Beyond that, there's

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Speaker 1: not a lot of difference makers on that offense get

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Speaker 1: traded away DeVante Adams here. It was a tough situation

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Speaker 1: for any for everybody, but obviously Antonio Pierce got to

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Speaker 1: the point where he's just thinking we got to change

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Speaker 1: something and self something or this season's only gonna get worse.

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Speaker 1: So Ian I ask you this, as we're talking about

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Speaker 1: the Raiders making sweeping changes offensively here, what next? Because

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Speaker 1: you don't have the quarterback, you got a ton of

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Speaker 1: work that you got to do on the roster. Assuming

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Speaker 1: Antonio Pierce's back as the head coach, I don't think

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Speaker 1: that it's going to be any easier to hire the

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Speaker 1: next offensive coordinator. Maybe it is Scott Turner, remeymbe he

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Speaker 1: kills it the second half of the season and keeps

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Speaker 1: the job. But you put yourself in a situation where

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Speaker 1: it seems like there's so many different moving parts and

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Speaker 1: have been for several years now with different regimes, and

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Speaker 1: obviously going all the way back to the John Gruden

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Speaker 1: situation here, I just wonder what is the path forward

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Speaker 1: in the picture here for the Raiders.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I've been thinking about this a lot, really

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Speaker 2: for the past couple of weeks when it became clear

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Speaker 2: the Raiders were not gonna have a very good season.

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Speaker 2: I don't like the word tank because what tank indicates

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Speaker 2: is trying to be bad players laying down.

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Speaker 3: And being bad. So I do not like the word tank.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but what I think the Raiders sort of like

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Speaker 2: are a little bit resigned to do or like we'll

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Speaker 2: just have no choice but to do it.

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Speaker 3: It's just kind of be bad.

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Speaker 2: And I look at the teams in the NFL who

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Speaker 2: are good, and a lot of them are good because

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Speaker 2: they were bad, Like the Bengals were really bad, the

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Speaker 2: Texans were really bad. The Patriots right now are kind

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Speaker 2: of going through it. And maybe they have the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: And part of the reason they're not that good is

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Speaker 2: because they're bad. And this is how you become good

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Speaker 2: as you are bad, and that, to me is the

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Speaker 2: path the Raiders are going. Like Tom Skos was not

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Speaker 2: a big trader anyway, and he did not give up

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Speaker 2: the farm to go get you know whoever. You know,

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Speaker 2: Drake may Or, I mean he could have could not

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Speaker 2: have gotten Jaden, but maybe sort of could have gotten

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Speaker 2: Drake May maybe not, maybe could have gotten JJ mccarthur.

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Speaker 2: He did Penix, he did not. He just picked the

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Speaker 2: best player, and he picked an incredible tight end who

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Speaker 2: is not a quarterback, but a really good tight end

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Speaker 2: in brock Bowers. I think the only path forward is

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Speaker 2: just to suck it up and be bad, because if

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Speaker 2: they're going to continue this, they're gonna collect assets for

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Speaker 2: the future. They're going to not overspend on mediocre quarterback

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Speaker 2: sorry Gardner Minshew, and they're just gonna get their draft

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Speaker 2: pick and build back up, and that to.

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Speaker 3: Me is the only path going forward.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be hard to hire an offensive coordinator, but

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Speaker 2: if they are like the number three pick of the draft,

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Speaker 2: then they will be able to hire an off it's

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Speaker 2: a coordinator because that person will know they're getting a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: So like, to me, that's the path forward is just

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Speaker 2: to deal with this crappy season but know that it's

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Speaker 2: going to be better, and you know, try your hardest,

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Speaker 2: definitely try hardest, but know that it's going to be better,

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Speaker 2: because this is how teams get good as they'd be bad.

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Speaker 4: Oh sure, I would say that there's a handful of

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Speaker 4: teams that are sort of like that. I mean, the

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Speaker 4: Giants are trying, but they're not very good right now,

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Speaker 4: and they're just sort of going to continue, right, I mean,

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Speaker 4: they're going to continue doing that, right, They're not going

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Speaker 4: to sell the farm, but they're also not going to

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Speaker 4: do anything dramatic to it doesn't appear to improve their circumstances.

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Speaker 4: They're going to hope they look better and play better.

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Speaker 4: But that's sort of the same thing, right, just get

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Speaker 4: through the season they thought the season would be better,

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Speaker 4: get through the season, and hope you land a very

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Speaker 4: very good player in the draft.

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Speaker 1: We already have seven teams that have seven losses through

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Speaker 1: Week nine. That is the Panthers, Browns, Jaguars, Raiders, Patriots, Saints,

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Speaker 1: and Gans. The Dolphins and Titans are two and six

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Speaker 1: because they've already had their bye weeks, so quite possible

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Speaker 1: you could have nine teams start out at two and

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Speaker 1: seven or worse. That's a pretty clear divide. We talk

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Speaker 1: about the trade deadline here. One of the reasons that

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Speaker 1: the Competition Committee always is reluctant to push it backs

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Speaker 1: has been on a discussion for years, is if teams

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Speaker 1: are really bad and they get more information, you're going

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Speaker 1: to have people trade away all their players. Then you

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Speaker 1: end up with competitive inequities in those late season games

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Speaker 1: because the teams that sold everybody are going to lose

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Speaker 1: games that are very meaningful to other teams by losing

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Speaker 1: to one of the teams that's still in the playoff chaser.

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Speaker 3: That is very convoluted thinking, Sorry, I don't know, I think.

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Speaker 1: That's absolutely parody. Is the lifeblood of the NFL, which

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Speaker 1: you don't want is you know, situations like Major League

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Speaker 1: Baseball where the White Sox lose one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 1: games or whatever and they're playing the Yankees in you

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Speaker 1: know series, the matters for the Al East. Then you

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Speaker 1: know they're just getting right and they.

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Speaker 4: They hate the appearance of tanking that's the other they don't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, So I mean that that all leads to,

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Speaker 1: you know, what could be a really interesting trade environment

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Speaker 1: here as we move toward the end of the season.

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Speaker 1: We also saw some other things good things on the

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Speaker 1: field yesterday, including Judy Saquon Barkley doing something that not

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Speaker 1: only have I never seen in real life, I've never

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Speaker 1: seen in a video game. I imagine that the good

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Speaker 1: folks at EA and Madden are going to very quickly

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Speaker 1: put that in the game. If it's in the game,

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Speaker 1: it's supposed to be in the game. That's been their

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Speaker 1: slugline for like, you know, thirty years here. But Saquon

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Speaker 1: reverse hurdling a guy unless you know you're doing what

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Speaker 1: is it called Parker like basically like creative running. I

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Speaker 1: don't know that anybody's ever thought of doing that before.

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Speaker 1: And it's so natural. He also executes like a spin

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Speaker 1: move on that play. It is otherworldly. The Eagles, I mean,

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Speaker 1: right now, with Saquon healthy, look like geniuses. And I

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Speaker 1: imagine there's a lot of Giants fans who are.

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Speaker 4: Sick, including the Giants fans who I know well who

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Speaker 4: say things like I can't even watch this, Oh my God,

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Speaker 4: I don't want to watch this video Like that's that

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Speaker 4: was the reaction.

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Speaker 3: Are those Giants fans in your house? Some of them.

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Speaker 1: Some of them are related by blood?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean that was just a mind boggling play. Actually,

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Speaker 4: what I My reaction when it happened was I don't

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Speaker 4: get hurt.

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Speaker 1: Do not get hurt.

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Speaker 4: That is my primary focus for Saque is to get

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Speaker 4: through the season healthy. Look, he has brought so much

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Speaker 4: to the Eagles. It's remarkable. The Eagles are rolling now.

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Speaker 4: And this is a crazy thing to say. I can't

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Speaker 4: remember who said this, maybe David Carr said this last

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Speaker 4: night with Chris Rose. Like the thing that the only

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Speaker 4: thing that really worries me about the Eagles right now

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Speaker 4: is is Nick Sirianni's decision making. Sometimes sometimes I'm like,

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Speaker 4: what are we doing here? Uh? But otherwise I feel

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Speaker 4: like the Eagles have finally like they seem to be

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Speaker 4: getting it together and they seem to be rolling now

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Speaker 4: after those those first few weeks that were a little hitcuppy,

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Speaker 4: they're rolling and they have the Cowboys this week, and

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Speaker 4: so obviously they're going to get them at a fortuitous time.

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Speaker 4: You know, the Eagles, the Eagles are now looking like

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Speaker 4: a team again. As you pointed out earlier, Tom, the

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Speaker 4: Commander schedule is going to get much tougher, and so

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Speaker 4: now I think the Eagles are looking like the team

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Speaker 4: that we all thought going into the season would be

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Speaker 4: atop the NFC East.

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Speaker 2: It just brings me back to the time when the

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Speaker 2: Eagles didn't have DeVante Smith and A J. Brown, and

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Speaker 2: we all including me, decided that they were kind of.

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Speaker 3: Not going to be done. Yeah, I was like, not

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Speaker 3: so much.

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Speaker 2: But it turns out that when you don't have like

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Speaker 2: two of your best players, which again brings you back

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Speaker 2: to the Saints. But anyway, we don't have two of

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Speaker 2: your best players, you look a little bit different on offense.

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Speaker 2: And that's definitely definitely know where I would also say this,

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Speaker 2: like they build, they have built in such the proper way.

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Speaker 2: Offensive lines really good, defensive lines really good. They have

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Speaker 2: so much depth on the edge that like teams are

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Speaker 2: calling them about their edge rushers, even though I don't

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Speaker 2: think they're gonna trade anyone. So I mean, they're just

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Speaker 2: the way they built is great. They have they can

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Speaker 2: withstand I think some you know, some injuries and kind

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Speaker 2: of keep rolling like they they look good. And I

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Speaker 2: would say if it's you know, Eagles v. Commanders battling

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Speaker 2: it out for the East, like that's that's kind of

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Speaker 2: fun and two teams that they have done a good

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Speaker 2: job putting themselves in this position.

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Speaker 1: This week it'll be Cooper Rush of the Cowboys v.

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Speaker 3: Eagles with various competitive balance.

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Speaker 1: All right, a lot more to discuss in Part two

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Speaker 1: of the Insiders podcast and on YouTube. To stick around.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into the steamroller that is the Detroit Lions

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Speaker 1: in a game where they probably could have just used

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Speaker 1: umbrellas more than steam roll. We'll talk about the Ravens

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Speaker 1: and a blowout win over the Broncos. More injury updates,

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Speaker 1: trade deadline talk, Monday Night football preview. All in Part

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Speaker 1: two for Ian and Judy on Tom Sea. There