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Speaker 2: open up with my buddy. I've known him for a

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Speaker 2: How many players have you watched for this draft?

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Speaker 5: Now, we didn't go to high school together, but we

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Speaker 5: We've since moved down to Connecticut just to be closer

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Speaker 2: Recent I consider you a Boston guy. Obviously, you know,

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Speaker 2: You know, you know him and the family. I don't

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think is more the latter where he's kind

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Speaker 5: And Bill is going to be excellent on that draft

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Speaker 5: the wrong way to put it. But it's sitting out

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Speaker 5: for the season, or at least part of the season.

437
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 5: But don't you think and I haven't asked him this,

438
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,240
Speaker 5: I don't know this personally, but and just imagine that

439
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,159
Speaker 5: when you're this close to the all time wins wreckord.

440
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 5: I think it's fifteen wins away from tying Don Shula. Like,

441
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,400
Speaker 5: you don't think Belichick wants that. I know the guy

442
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 5: cares less about individual accolades than probably anybody, but he

443
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,880
Speaker 5: probably cares about the history of football more than anybody

444
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,679
Speaker 5: else on planet Earth. Right now, you have to imagine

445
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 5: he's fueled by the possibility of being the all times

446
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 5: wins leader.

447
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 2: I said the other day on the podcast, obviously the

448
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 2: NFC East is going to be circled. I do think

449
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 2: the Eagles like they want the Syriana thing to work.

450
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 2: You know how he hired him a little bit from obscurity.

451
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,640
Speaker 2: They're paying between Kellen Moore and Vic Fangio, you know,

452
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,959
Speaker 2: four or five million dollars each if they are successful,

453
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 2: even if they got bounced in like the second round

454
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,439
Speaker 2: if they want a playoff game won the division. I

455
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,640
Speaker 2: think that that they would try to figure that out.

456
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 2: I think the Cowboys, I mean, they have a coach

457
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 2: under his final year of his contract, and the Giants,

458
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 2: who are a major wild card in this draft. If

459
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,919
Speaker 2: they suck again next year John maher did fire back

460
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,399
Speaker 2: to back coaches after two years, this would be tables

461
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 2: third year in the last two years would be really ugly.

462
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 2: And obviously Belichick's I don't want to say love affair,

463
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 2: but he is very He treats the Giants and the

464
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 2: Jets like polar opposites.

465
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 4: Right, totally.

466
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that would be pretty intrigued. So to me,

467
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,719
Speaker 2: the Giants and the Cowboys more than the Eagles. Now,

468
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 2: if the Eagles are terrible, then they're in play, but

469
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 2: they have so much talent and now they got ye suck,

470
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,360
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna be okay. I think the Cowboys

471
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 2: thing lost some players this Dack situation. Now, McCarthy's proven

472
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 2: to be a good regular season coach. You gotta give

473
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 2: him that. It's just the playoffs and then the Giants, Like,

474
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 2: I don't know where you stand. I agree with Shrager

475
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 2: because I know how tied in he is in certain organizations.

476
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 2: Clearly they probably like JJ McCarthy a little bit, but

477
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 2: I don't think that helps him this year at all. Bro,

478
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 2: they draft JJ McCarthy, it's like, you're no better on offense.

479
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 2: They're as you think that's gonna happen, Because I know

480
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 2: you went on his podcast, I'm just kind of, yeah,

481
00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 2: that's what he's talking about.

482
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I will certainly defer to Peter because of how

483
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 5: tied in he is, So I think it's possible. My

484
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 5: big thing with the Giants and j J. McCarthy is

485
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 5: if he falls to pick six, I'm cool with it.

486
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 5: If they have to trade up from six to four

487
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 5: and give away their twenty twenty five first, that to

488
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 5: me is such a scary proposition. That's insane to go

489
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 5: from six to pick It's insane because that might mean

490
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 5: that might be six this year and seven next year.

491
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 5: To go up to four, right, that's just a crazy.

492
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 4: Thing to do.

493
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 5: But if you look at relevant trade up comps in

494
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 5: the semi recent past, there aren't a ton of them.

495
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 5: But remember San Francisco and Chicago flipped two and three

496
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 5: during twenty eighteen draft. The twenty seventeen draft, the Trubisky year,

497
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 5: the Mahomes year, and San Francisco got a bunch of

498
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 5: extra picks. And by the way, San Francisco took Eric

499
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 5: Arson right, they wanted to get a quarterback, and they

500
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 5: were able to get Chicago to move up one pick.

501
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 5: So it might cost the Giants a freight. And that's

502
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 5: the part that makes me nervous is you know, I

503
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 5: I don't I like JJ Lott. He's got a lot

504
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 5: of really, really, really solid traits. I just don't know

505
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 5: that I can afford to double pay right. The sixth

506
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 5: or fourth pick alone.

507
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 4: Is an expensive investment.

508
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 5: But to do that on top of potentially you know,

509
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 5: moving up to four and trading away multiple picks to

510
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 5: get there, that to me is a little bit scary.

511
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. I mean, you know, Caleb's going

512
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 2: to a pretty incredible situation for a number one overall

513
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,199
Speaker 2: pick if we if we assume the betting markets and

514
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 2: the way everyone's talking, Jaden goes to the Patriots is

515
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 2: not a great situation. It just is roster wise, new coach.

516
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 2: The negativity. It could get ugly fast. That fourth pick's

517
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 2: a major wildcard. Like if you are JJ McCarthy, who knows.

518
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 2: The Patriots could take him to whoever the guy.

519
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:46,479
Speaker 4: I'd be surprised on that.

520
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, So let's say JJ is gonna go

521
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 2: for you should pray like Minnesota comes get.

522
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 4: You, right, no doubt, even though that's just gonna.

523
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 2: Got Davonte and some other act just something else the

524
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 2: Giants thing that that could be a tough situation. Man.

525
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 5: Well, let me tell you what I have thought about this,

526
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 5: and I haven't actually done it, but I've thought about it.

527
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 4: I've pondered this, like should I.

528
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 5: Just make JJ the second or third quarterback on the

529
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:17,360
Speaker 5: board for this reason? If JJ goes to Minnesota, there's

530
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 5: a pretty decent shot he has the best or second

531
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Speaker 5: best season as a rookie of any of the quarterbacks

532
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 5: in the class.

533
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 4: Right wide receivers get.

534
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: The Mahomes treatment, right, Yeah yeah, so But but if

535
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: he did, if he did play throwing to Jefferson and

536
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: Jordan Madison and TJ.

537
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 5: Hockinson when he's healthy, two really good tackles Aaron Jones

538
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 5: Brian Flores on defense scheme in that group up and

539
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 5: the Hecko job last year, like Minnesota could push for

540
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 5: like ten wins with JJ as a rookie and we'd

541
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 5: be talking about him now. As we know, it's always

542
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 5: about the long haul, right, Like Mac Jones. Twenty twenty

543
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 5: one draft comes out and by the end of the season,

544
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 5: people are saying, should he have been the number one

545
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 5: pick over Trump Lawrence? Now he's backing up Trevor Lawrence.

546
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 5: You know, it's all hyperbole because of the fact that

547
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 5: you live in a twenty four to seven, three sixty

548
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 5: five news and reaction cycle. But ultimately it's why you're

549
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 5: in your evaluations of the player going into the draft

550
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 5: last only until the draft begins, because the minute they

551
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 5: wind up in a situation, whatever that situation is, the

552
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 5: evaluation that player is different. So like I think Jayden

553
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 5: Daniels would have a better chance of a lot of

554
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 5: rookie success with the Commanders and the Patriots, and same

555
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 5: thing with Drake may Right. The Commanders are not a

556
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 5: fully formed offense right now, but they've got six picks

557
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 5: in the top one hundred. They got Tara McLaurin, they

558
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 5: got Johan Dotson, right, Like I think they found something

559
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 5: in Brian Robinson last year as or running back two

560
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 5: years ago, pretty solid player, right, Like they've got enough there,

561
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 5: you know, spend some money on a pair of interior

562
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,360
Speaker 5: offensive line and Nick Allegretti entire be audition free agency,

563
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 5: like that team could be decent this year on offense,

564
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 5: whereas the Patriot Yeah yeah, and like the Patriots they

565
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 5: got so many holes right like on offense, you know,

566
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 5: like probably their best player right now is I think

567
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 5: either Mike and Wentu the right tackle or Ramondre Stevenson

568
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 5: the running back. And in this league, like it's just

569
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 5: not a great sign if your best offensive player is

570
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 5: potentially your running back, who I think is a good player,

571
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 5: but not like I don't think it's a top ten

572
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 5: back in the NFL. But what I'm saying, the Patriots

573
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 5: got some work ahead of them. I think they acknowledge that.

574
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 5: So if I'm the Patriots concurrent with drafting a quarterback

575
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 5: at three is and I know that this goes against

576
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 5: sort of everything I think Robert Kraft wants to say publicly,

577
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 5: is i'd message like we're in this for the long haul.

578
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 5: It's gonna take some time here, right Like, we need

579
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 5: to find some wide receivers. We got to find some

580
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 5: better offensive lineman. We just need some speed on this

581
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 5: offense and you can't knock out all of those priorities

582
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 5: in one off season, especially when you don't have a

583
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 5: quarterback in place.

584
00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 4: During free agencies.

585
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 5: So why Receivers that are pondering like should I go

586
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 5: to New England are saying to themselves maybe, but like,

587
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 5: who am.

588
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 4: I catching passes from again?

589
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 5: So it's it's a fascinating dynamic when you're trying to

590
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 5: debate the ratings of these quarterbacks going into the draft,

591
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 5: acknowledging that by Friday morning my opinion of them could

592
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 5: alter a little bit.

593
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, clearly drawed pretty high level guy. You've

594
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: never heard a negative thing about him as a player,

595
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 2: as a leader, even as an assistant coach, he's been

596
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,479
Speaker 2: really good. Being the headman's a different animal, and like,

597
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: ohtal let's use let's use Alabama as an example, Kaylin Duboor.

598
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: That is not easy shoes to fill, and he doesn't

599
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: have any sec equity. But it's like, hey, guys, I

600
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: went one hundred and ten and ten. I just got

601
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: the Washington Huskies and the national champion. I kind of

602
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: know what I'm doing. So people are like, oh, yeah,

603
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: let's give this guy. Mayo can't be like, hey, I

604
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 2: coached the Raiders for the last four years, made the

605
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: playoffs a couple of times. I know what I'm doing.

606
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 2: I coached my all mater for the last four you know,

607
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: he has zero equity as the head coach. So that

608
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 2: thing can you could see it coming for a mile away,

609
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 2: you know, totally it goes bad. If I'm a quarterback,

610
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: which feels like it's gonna be Drake May Listen, He's

611
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 2: obviously a project. I would just bet against that because

612
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 2: I think the first couple of years Alex Smith, who

613
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: wasn't as talented as Drake May probably physically those first

614
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: four or five years are one of the ugliest things ever.

615
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: And it took Jim Harbaugh and Andy Reid changing his life.

616
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: But I mean, that's that's a long way to go

617
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: for rookie quarterbacks.

618
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,959
Speaker 4: So no doubt, no doubt. But they needed, like they

619
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 4: need to message that.

620
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 5: And I I know that's hard to do, right because

621
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 5: no Oeer wants to come out and say, like, could

622
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 5: be five and twelve this year, guys, right, But I

623
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 5: think that, yeah, but I think that's important, Like, uh,

624
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 5: quarterbacks rarely ever wait anymore, right. I Mean Patrick Mahomes

625
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 5: is such an outlier and the fact that he sat

626
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 5: out all but one game teams, it's hard to resist.

627
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 4: I mean even the.

628
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: Bears now tried it with Trey Lance. But Jim, yeah,

629
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: he played a couple of games.

630
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And it sounds like, you know, Trey probably

631
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 5: is one of those and we'll see. He can still

632
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 5: rewrite the narrative. But you know, Trey might have just

633
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 5: been like a he was. He was the swing for

634
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 5: the fences, right. But the bottom line is those guys

635
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,719
Speaker 5: are so much the outlier as opposed to the standard

636
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 5: in terms of when you expect a guy to actually play.

637
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 4: So for the.

638
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 5: Patriots and Drake may if it is Drake, and if

639
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 5: I had to, you know, sort of cast my bet

640
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 5: as of the time of this conversation, my feeling would

641
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 5: be that it's Drake made the has a decent chance

642
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 5: of being the third pick. That you need to also

643
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 5: be prepared for him sitting out for a while because

644
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 5: if you put him in that you know you and

645
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 5: I know this. We talk about quarterbacks busting. Sometimes teams

646
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,479
Speaker 5: fail the quarterback too, right, like not putting the right

647
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 5: pieces around him, too much, organizational instability like that. That

648
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 5: stuff all is real and like I think Drake is

649
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 5: the kind of guy that like might need some time.

650
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 5: I'm not if he goes to swing on There's there's

651
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 5: no denying he could end up being an absolute stud.

652
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 5: Like the kid's got so much talent it's ridiculous. Like

653
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Speaker 5: I think the narrative round of actually become a little

654
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Speaker 5: bit unfair. He just might need some more seasoning as

655
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Speaker 5: opposed to somebody like Jada Daniels. But by the way,

656
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 5: he's got three more years of starting experience on him.

657
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 5: Drake started two full seasons in college. He was a

658
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 5: red shirt freshman. He took a red shirt year. Jaden

659
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 5: Daniels walked onto Arizona State's campus as a seventeen year old,

660
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 5: was under center, thrown to Ayuk right away and played

661
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 5: five straight years. Like he just got a lot more

662
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 5: experience underneath him, Like he's got a lot more high

663
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 5: level reps than Drake made us.

664
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Speaker 2: Okay, last quarterback here Michael Pennix, who might as well

665
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 2: have been thrown to Brandon Ayuk at Washington, very polarizing

666
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: guy in a vacuum. You didn't have to factor in

667
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: the variables. He's clearly one of the best players, but

668
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: you can't quite do that right. The age, the injuries.

669
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Speaker 2: The age doesn't bother me as much as the injuries

670
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: and the other thing that I can't get out of

671
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 2: my head, partly cause I had a little money on it.

672
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,719
Speaker 2: Him against Michigan, which Michigan was an NFL team, and

673
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: he didn't get touched all season long. I think eleven

674
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: sacks going into that game. He was and he doesn't

675
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 2: get touched. I mean, he's a top ten NFL quarterback

676
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: not touched, and that's how well it throws it. That's

677
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: not really the fell though, Like you do get touched,

678
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: and you do get moved off your spot, and it

679
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: got derailed fast. I like him, I'm rooting for him,

680
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: but I can't act like that doesn't give me a

681
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: lot of concern that I know. It was only one game.

682
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: It was a pretty big game opposite CJ. Stroud, it

683
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 2: was only one game. But he saw in Georgia, You're like, Jesus,

684
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: did you see that? Yeah?

685
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 4: Right, right, carried over so totally hit.

686
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Speaker 2: Same thing with Oregon when Penis and Oregon's also very

687
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: talented NFL like team would hit him a lot, and

688
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 2: you felt by the end of the game, like God

689
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 2: and I respect his toughness. Is this guy gonna be

690
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 2: able to get up that?

691
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 5: Sometimes in scouting it's choosing to it's seeing what you

692
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 5: choose to see. So, like you know, the Michael Pennock's

693
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 5: believers will point to the game just before Michigan against

694
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 5: Texas where he was mites out. I mean, the guy

695
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 5: was avoiding pressure in my pocket. Yeah, unbelievable. Right, So

696
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 5: you put that tape on the scouting media, you can

697
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 5: imagine what the reactions would.

698
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 4: The age does not bothered me as well.

699
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 5: The medical I can't say bothers me or doesn't bother

700
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 5: me because I don't have a doctor who I'm consulting

701
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 5: with who would sign off on it or would say, hey,

702
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,959
Speaker 5: you know, that's a medical red flag for us. So

703
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 5: I don't know that I can speak with complete certainty

704
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 5: on it. I would say that some teams have expressed

705
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 5: less concern than others to me about Michael Penix Junior's knee. So,

706
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 5: but the skill sets he's probably been and I've said

707
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 5: this a couple times in ESPN, the hardest player for

708
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 5: me to pinpoint exactly where I should be mocking, right,

709
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 5: because you talk to people in the league that will

710
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 5: tell you, Hey, you know, I know you have him

711
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 5: at thirty four on the overall big board, but I

712
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 5: think he's not get out of the first thirteen picks.

713
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 5: We know that run of eleven, twelve, thirteen as of

714
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 5: right now is Minnesota, Denver, Vegas. There are people I

715
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 5: talk to her like he's gonna be go. He will

716
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 5: go in the second round, There's no two ways about it.

717
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 5: So he's generated more split projections on mock drafts than

718
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 5: maybe any prospect that I've studied this year. And the

719
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 5: good is not just good, it's freaking outstanding. But every

720
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 5: player's got those strengths and limitations and the age, the mobility,

721
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 5: the I know he tested well at the Pro Day,

722
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 5: but he's not as athletic as Jaden Daniels or Drake

723
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 5: may or Caleb Williams.

724
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 4: That much is for sure.

725
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 5: Some of those things that Michael Pennick Jinger does not

726
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 5: do compared to those guys does make him a really

727
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 5: difficult projection.

728
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: What's your hottest draft take?

729
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 5: Hottest draft take? Now, I'm a believer. I'm a Chop

730
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 5: Robinson believer. He's a divisive prospect. Again, had an unbelievable

731
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 5: combine in terms of the forty specifics, get a rate,

732
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 5: first step, the flashes are awesome. He had eleven and

733
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 5: a half career sacks though Maryland for a year two

734
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 5: years at Penn State. Had four sacks this past season.

735
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 5: Two of them came against UMass. So there are some

736
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 5: that are saying, like, it's got all the tools, but

737
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 5: why didn't he put it together more often. I'm a

738
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 5: believer in Chop Robinson, and I think there's a chance

739
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 5: he ends up being the second edge rusher taken next

740
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 5: Thursday night, which would I think probably run counter to

741
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 5: how a lot of people are currently forecasting it. But

742
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 5: if you can find a team that wants to put

743
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 5: the emphasis on the you know, the athletic ability, the

744
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 5: first step quickness, the ben the torque, and some of

745
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 5: the competitiveness in the running game, like, it wouldn't surprise

746
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 5: me if there are teams that are saying, yeah, top

747
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 5: sixteen player in the draft.

748
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know you got to get out

749
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 2: of here, but I want to hear your take on this.

750
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 2: Joe alt I had I did a little thing like

751
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: a couple of days ago, six eight, six nine tackles,

752
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: and I get this guy's a better athlete than McGlinchey. Yep.

753
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 2: They do give me some concern because it is difficult,

754
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 2: and I know people say he's closer to Colton Miller,

755
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 2: but it's like, I don't know, and he didn't test

756
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 2: as well though he's not he's playing football, not testing combine.

757
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: So sure, I get it, But what's your take on

758
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 2: six nine guys, He's not Michael Jordan as an athlete,

759
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,919
Speaker 2: but he's a good athlete playing against a league full

760
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 2: of guys six two sixty three that could all bend.

761
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 2: It's it's hard to get that low and it's given

762
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: a lot of guys trouble.

763
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he can, he can really bend. Like he's

764
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 5: a he's a pretty dark, fluid athlete. Like you know,

765
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 5: he's got incredible bloodline. Son of an NFL offensive Lindman.

766
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 5: You know, his father John in the Chiefs Hall of Fame.

767
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 5: His brother's hockey player. It was drafted in the second

768
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 5: round the AHL. Like, yeah, they got some pretty good

769
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 5: jeans over there at the old family. I do have

770
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 5: the top ring tackle. My GAP's a little bit narrower

771
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 5: between him and the next couple guys, and I think

772
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 5: some in the same role at different places have Joelt.

773
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,479
Speaker 5: I don't think it's quite as like you know, cut

774
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 5: above clear cut above everybody else. I think it's I

775
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 5: think he's number one, But I think you can make

776
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 5: a compelling case for older fashion Now from Penn State

777
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 5: fight Withtanu from Washington. If you believe he's a left tackle.

778
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 5: It's a good tackle class. It's why I will continue

779
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 5: to point and maybe Tennessee will just do the very

780
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 5: obvious thing and take Joealt seven. But I continue to

781
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 5: wonder if Tennessee, who already traded multiple picks last year

782
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 5: to move up to get Will Levis, and next year's

783
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 5: twenty twenty five third has already gone as well. That

784
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 5: was part of the lagerious sneed tree, which, by the way,

785
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 5: those are justifiable investments, but they're a little short on

786
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 5: draft capital relative to other teams picking in the top seven.

787
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 5: I do wonder if Tennessee might be a potential trade

788
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 5: back team and they say we can have Joel at seven,

789
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 5: or we could have only Fashion who at eleven or

790
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 5: twelve or thirteen or fifty, or you know, we talked

791
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 5: about fifteen and feel pretty good about the outcome.

792
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 2: All the same, Yeah, I think the problem is the Cardinals,

793
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 2: the Chargers, the type. I think there are a lot

794
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: of teams that want to hit.

795
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 4: Everybody wants to go back the wrong way.

796
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: So it's gonna be interesting because some of these teams

797
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: are gonna get stuck. Field Yates, ABC, No big deal.

798
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 2: See you soon, buddy.

799
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 4: I appreciate you having me on Man.

800
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: Okay, time for a little middle cough mail bag at

801
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: John Middlecoff At John Middlecoff is the Instagram dms wide open,

802
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 2: very very easy to get involved in the show. Fire

803
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 2: in those dms, like my guy Riley here and get

804
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: your question answered, fire in wide open holler. Other than

805
00:37:55,640 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes, should any quarterback make that kind of money?

806
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: Mahomes is a Hall of Fame generational quarterback up there

807
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 2: with the greats. Shouldn't everyone else make thirty percent less

808
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: because they need more talent around them to compete a

809
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: good question. Mahomes isn't even the highest, not even close.

810
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 2: I mean, there are several guys now making more than him. Right,

811
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: Herbert makes more, Borough makes more, Lamar makes more, Hurts

812
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: makes more. So you got a lot of guys. You

813
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: know he took quote unquote a team friendly deal. It's

814
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: just not the way sports work. It's not the way

815
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 2: the world works really, right, Things get more expensive, especially

816
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 2: in the world we're living in, as time goes by.

817
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 2: So yeah, in theory, he should be the highest paid

818
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 2: player by a substantial margin, right, I totally believe that,

819
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 2: But that's not the way the business works. So, like

820
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 2: we can talk about it, and I've been talking about forever,

821
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 2: like there should be a second tier like the dak Press, Scott's,

822
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: the kirk Cousins. If you got Mahomes and Lamar making

823
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 2: forty five to fifty, like those guys should make thirty.

824
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: We've been talking. We talked about it last show with Tua,

825
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: but it just doesn't work that way. You know, if

826
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 2: you factor in the importance to the television ratings, which

827
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 2: is the business to For example, the NBA, Lebron and

828
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 2: Steph Curry should make each like one hundred and fifty

829
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: million dollars. And even Jokich, who's the best player in

830
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 2: the NBA, people don't watch his games relative to those guys.

831
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: The ratings were awful last NBA Finals, so their value

832
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: is incredibly high. But they all make the same I mean,

833
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 2: give or take a few million, depending on when you

834
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: sign the contract. So I think a lot of people

835
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: in business say this all the time, like timing is

836
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 2: a big part of success or failure. Right. They look

837
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 2: at Mark Cuban. Mark Cuban got really rich because he

838
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 2: sold at the top in like ninety nine or two thousand.

839
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 2: The Internet TV sold for I forget the exact number,

840
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 2: but six months a year later it was worth nothing.

841
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: So it's like things change. Now, that's not the way

842
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 2: it works in quarterback contracts. But are we living in

843
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 2: a world where Brock Party in a year is going

844
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: to be making more if he has another good year

845
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 2: than Patrick Mahomes. I don't agree with it, but it's conceivable.

846
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, I just it's just not the setup,

847
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 2: the way the cap leagues worked. It just it's never

848
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 2: gonna be. So it's it's kind of a dumb conversation.

849
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 2: It's kind of the conversation we have a lot when

850
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 2: it comes to should should you get one contract on

851
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 2: your team if you draft the guy not count? I

852
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: think we all agree, like, yeah, it's a pretty good idea.

853
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: Should the quarterback contract if you've drafted the player count

854
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: for fifty percent against your salary cap? People like yeah,

855
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 2: that's fair, But none of these ideas ever happened. And

856
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 2: it's like great think tank ideas, it's just it is

857
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: doesn't even feel like we've ever got remotely close to

858
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 2: any of that stuff. It's like, what are they gonna

859
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 2: do with the league meetings? Oh, they're gonna ban the

860
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: hip drop tackle, They're gonna change the kickoff rule that

861
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: they never changed the financial setup for players that way.

862
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: What are your expectations for Seattle this year? That's a

863
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 2: good question. I think they're a team to keep an

864
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 2: eye on this week because I look at them a

865
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 2: lot differently. If you go, well, they've added Michael Pennox,

866
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 2: Mike Okay, now we're cooking if Gino Smith they're starting quarterback.

867
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 2: But we know what they are. And let's face it,

868
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 2: we can talk a lot of shit about Pete Carroll

869
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 2: in terms of relative to like they had really stalled

870
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 2: the last couple of years. The defense was terrible. Uh,

871
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: But Pete Carroll's a Hall of Fame coach. And the

872
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 2: chances that Mike McDonald, who was an elite defensive coordinator,

873
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 2: is as good of a head coach as Pete Carroll,

874
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 2: I mean, the chance is just slim the nun, as

875
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: crazy as that sounds, because you're like, oh, Ite's been bad. Yeah,

876
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 2: might want to google the guy's resume. And obviously most

877
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 2: people listening to this podcast knows he's really successful. But

878
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 2: so it could be a doubt. You have a great

879
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 2: wild card at coach and your quarterback has proven that

880
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: he has a ceiling. Really good guy, easy story to

881
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: root for, but can only get you so far. So

882
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm kind of interested to like, do

883
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 2: you take a quarterback high in this draft? Because if

884
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: you do, then and depending on who it is, I'm like, damn,

885
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: who knows. Maybe they trade two first round picks and

886
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 2: trade up take a big swing. I wouldn't say it's

887
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: off the table. Hey, John Hope, you've been well been

888
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 2: an active listener for a couple of months now, and

889
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: I'm hooked. I like this guy. I grew up in

890
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 2: the Midwest and TV wasn't a big deal until the

891
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: Cardinals or the Rams were playing. We still remember the

892
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 2: greatest show on turf Era. Always a Rams fan, not

893
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: hopping on the Chiefs bandwagon since everyone here did. My

894
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 2: question is this, how many people prefer podcasts over listening

895
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 2: to TV? Talking about sports. Obviously, Colin is great when

896
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 2: he comes on, but I'm usually working. I get all

897
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 2: my information from podcasts. I have a guy for everything,

898
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 2: a guy for sports, business, faith, and honestly, sometimes me

899
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 2: and my wife just play true crime podcasts for fun

900
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: while we cook. Maria does that as well. I found

901
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 2: myself replacing the TV with podcasts. I have you and

902
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 2: Colin for sports, and I listen to a lot of

903
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: other subjects as well. Have the generations just adopted this

904
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: form of getting information. Honestly, podcast information just seems better,

905
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: more logical, and more entertaining. I would say I've always

906
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: been a big audio guy. But growing up right in

907
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 2: your example, pre podcasts, you just had to listen to

908
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 2: whatever whatever was on the radio. So if you like sports,

909
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 2: whoever your sports talk radio hosts were locally who you

910
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 2: were forced to listen to, and then depend on where

911
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 2: you were nationally, whatever you got right dependent on you know,

912
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 2: what affiliates, what city you lived in. But I've always

913
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: been a huge audio guy. In the moment, streaming slash podcasts,

914
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 2: over the last five years, my audio input has grown exponentially.

915
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I'm not proud to admit this I

916
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: don't read enough. I read very little, to be honest

917
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 2: with you, besides like articles on the internet. But I've

918
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 2: felt like I've never taken in more information, and I

919
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 2: believe that's from podcasts as well as audio books. I

920
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 2: just started the Sam Walton audiobook pretty interesting. But the

921
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 2: amount of podcasts I listened to, like you said, for

922
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 2: like different things, like hey, I got a couple of

923
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 2: NBA podcasts, I got like five golf podcasts. I don't

924
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 2: really listen to football podcasts unless like Rascillok's talking about

925
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: it or something. And a lot of business podcasts. So

926
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I listened to you know, Colin. It's

927
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 2: like sometimes because of my office set up, I can

928
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: watch you know an hour or whatever. But if I'm

929
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 2: on the go, I listened to him. I listen to

930
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 2: his podcast or the best of at the end of

931
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: the day. So I'm with you. And as someone who

932
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: started his career in radio and I'm not some radio

933
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: diehard of like from the business, I actually thought the

934
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: business was kind of a racket and I could see

935
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: it coming at the end of my time doing that.

936
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 2: Now it's become way bigger the audio. The audio has

937
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 2: always been a powerful medium. But yeah, I would imagine that,

938
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 2: think of everywhere you look. Then this speaks for music

939
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: as well because of the streaming ability. How often do

940
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 2: you go somewhere and not see countless people with headphones

941
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 2: in their ears? So yeah, I mean, I hate to

942
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: disagree with you, and I'm glad this is that way.

943
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: But I knew like five years ago, when I first

944
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 2: got into podcasting financially started making any money, I was like,

945
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 2: we're on something here, Like this thing is gonna be

946
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: massive and even less than I mean, I started podcasting

947
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, probably didn't make any money till seventeen,

948
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: but it's yeah, it's a powerful audio is never going away,

949
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 2: just like you know, television videos never. I mean, I

950
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 2: watch a lot of YouTube on my phone, so I

951
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 2: consume a lot of video, or at my desk, I

952
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: have YouTube going, you know, and I have a YouTube TV,

953
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 2: which is essentially TV obviously, but I watched a ton

954
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: of YouTube. I watched a ton of YouTube and listen

955
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 2: to a ton of podcasts. I haven't read a newspaper

956
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: not named The Wall Street Journal in five years, I

957
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: mean dead series. Unless someone sends me an article, I

958
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: don't go think about that. I'm not even forty years old.

959
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 2: I grew up in a home where we got Sacramento

960
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: b San Franisco Chronicle, Davis Enterprise. My dad kind of

961
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 2: got into the stock market late in life, like his

962
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 2: dad died, his brother had died in Vietnam, so he

963
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 2: didn't his mom was already did didn't have any siblings.

964
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 2: Sold you know, his dad's house. It was like, what

965
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: am I gonna do with I think at the time

966
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 2: should have held on to it longer, but like eight

967
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 2: hundred grand, so he just invested it, and he's like

968
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 2: cock stock market is incredible. This was when he was

969
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 2: probably like sixty and so he started getting So we

970
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 2: added the Wall Street Journal. I mean, if you went

971
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 2: to John Middlecoff's parents' house eight nine years ago, there

972
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 2: were six newspapers in the in the uh in the driveway.

973
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: Six It was the Woodland Press. Democrats sometimes would come

974
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: to I don't even know if they subscribe, but they

975
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 2: would just throw it out the window. I don't know

976
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: anyone that reads a newspaper beside an article going viral

977
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 2: or whatever. So well, we still are taking in information.

978
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 2: I still want my information. Where do I get it?

979
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 4: How do.

980
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 2: I get it. And that's where podcasts. We like audio

981
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 2: and we like video. I've always said like, I'm I

982
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 2: don't care. I just go where the consumer would go.

983
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 2: If podcasts failed tomorrow, I would just go wherever I

984
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 2: had to go to find the audience. And that's where

985
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: I knew. One thing was clear when I was in radio.

986
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is not sustainable. Everyone using their phone.

987
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 2: The other powerful thing is when you're in a car, right,

988
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: the overwhelming majority of people connect their phone to their car.

989
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: It's why music radio is so fucked, Like, if you're

990
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: gonna listen to music, you're not gonna give it what

991
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 2: with the I still kind of do every once in

992
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 2: a while, but the majority of younger people don't. They

993
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 2: stream Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora, whatever to their car. And

994
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: I started seeing it. This is like twenty fifteen sixteen,

995
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 2: these radios they started going under. Sports Talk's no different, right,

996
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: good question. Do you think Jordan Love should be paid

997
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 2: as a top ten quarterback salary as it currently as

998
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 2: it's currently rumored. He looked great at the end of

999
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 2: the year, but it looked icy for the first half

1000
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 2: of the season. I think Love is better, but could

1001
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 2: it be worth the wait a season like you suggested

1002
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 2: with Tua and just paying a premium what I think

1003
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 2: would be fair. Right, you could get a lower cost

1004
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 2: right now, Like if you just put four years one

1005
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty million dollars in front of them and

1006
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 2: guaranteed eighty So it's like, what would that average thirty

1007
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 2: a year? Would he sign that? He might? Like, I mean,

1008
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 2: he's never made any money. You're offering me eighty five

1009
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 2: guaranteed thirty a year. He might, but he also might not.

1010
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 2: But would you just wait and say if you know,

1011
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: or maybe that's one hundred and fifty five years one

1012
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 2: fifty you know, it's hard. I mean he's, like you said,

1013
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 2: he's played six seven good games. What probably is the

1014
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 2: prudent move, even if you would have to pay a

1015
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 2: little more, why not give it like till mid October,

1016
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 2: let's just see five six more games because they're games

1017
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 2: last year. Let's face it. I don't think it's hyperbole.

1018
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 2: He looked like Aaron Rodgers. He was fucking incredible in

1019
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 2: certain games. You're like, uh, this is unreal, And like

1020
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,439
Speaker 2: most of us, we didn't know anything about him because

1021
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 2: he never played. That's where I think makes us tough

1022
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 2: because everyone was kind of gone, God, what the hell

1023
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 2: is this guy? But he never played and then by

1024
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 2: the middle of the year he started getting this kind

1025
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 2: of feet under him. He was really confident. You're like

1026
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 2: Geez Louise, a part of being a good player. What

1027
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: makes Josh Allen, what makes Lamar, what makes Patrick Mahomes?

1028
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: These guys good players every single year. Peyton Manning and

1029
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 2: Tom Brady did it for like forty plus years combined.

1030
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 2: Every year shown up playing well. Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers

1031
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 2: every year. Right, there can't be these ups and downs.

1032
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 2: I mean, you can have a down year, but if

1033
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 2: over the course of ten years you've had one down year,

1034
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 2: like you've proven it over the period of time. It's

1035
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 2: always what made Eli so maddening, like he was kind

1036
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 2: of a roller coaster. Right. You like your high end

1037
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 2: guys to be good every year, you know, Jalen Hurts,

1038
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: I know statistically was all right, but if you watched

1039
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 2: last year, you're like, God, something's missing here. So it's

1040
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 2: where it does get challenged. Say what you want about

1041
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 2: Cousins or Dak You kind of know what you're getting,

1042
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 2: so I would say, is there a number right now

1043
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 2: that he would sign, Like, would he signed three year

1044
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 2: on hundred million dollar extension right now if I guaranteed

1045
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 2: eighty five So it's basically like thirty three a year, Like,

1046
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 2: would he sign that right now? Because it'd be pretty

1047
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 2: hard to turn down if you've never made that much

1048
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 2: money and you're like, well, what if it does go bad?

1049
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 2: So I don't know, he's a he's a fascinating This

1050
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 2: is a fascinating situation, kind of unprecedented because usually guys,

1051
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 2: even Baker that signs a contract this offseason, he did

1052
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 2: have years before of playing. He's played a ton of

1053
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 2: games right in Cleveland. It's like Jordan Love has one

1054
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 2: season as a full time starter, but like by the

1055
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 2: Andrew look pretty damn good knowing how aggressive, how he

1056
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 2: and the Eagles are and how stacked the roster is.

1057
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 2: If Jalen Hurts has another mediocre year passing the football,

1058
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 2: do they start looking for another quarterback like they did

1059
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 2: when Carson Wentz had doubts?

1060
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 3: Uh?

1061
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 2: I think they're pretty into Jalen Hurts. Like I, it's

1062
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 2: it would have to get pretty ugly pretty fast. They're

1063
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 2: paying him a lot of money, signed a massive contract

1064
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 2: like Carson signed a big one. This thing's in a

1065
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 2: different stratosphere because of the guaranteed money changed so dramatically

1066
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 2: over like a four year span. So my guess would

1067
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 2: be he's getting along. He's getting a long leash. He's

1068
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 2: getting a long leash. Like they're in now You never know,

1069
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 2: like Sirianni got fired, would they go with someone else?

1070
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 2: It is a little complicated, but I think he's going nowhere.

1071
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 2: My wife and I greatly disagree on this, and I

1072
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 2: can't think of a wiser business savant than you to

1073
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 2: weigh in. Picture this. You wake up on a Saturday

1074
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Speaker 2: morning and the undeniable craving hits fresh hot donuts. As

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Speaker 2: a guy you know, can be a little chubby, battles

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Speaker 2: my weight. I don't. I'm not a donut guy, more

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Speaker 2: of a croissant guy, ham and cheese. The only problem

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00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 2: is you're super comfortable in bed and don't want to

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Speaker 2: get up. You also don't want to tip someone to

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00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 2: get it for you. Talk about it for gazing. What

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Speaker 2: a dilemma. But here's a solution. Drone Nuts. I know

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00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 2: the name is incredible. Simply order your dozen donuts on

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00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 2: the app and the drone drops the donuts right at

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Speaker 2: your house, no human contact or tipping needed at all,

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Speaker 2: Patent pending. Can you imagine a better business venture? I

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00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 2: like I would be a little uncomfortable. Well, I am.

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00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 2: There's like where I live, the Scottsdale private jet where

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00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 2: all the rich guys fly out of. You can't even

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Speaker 2: fly drones in this area because like the planes kind

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00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 2: of fly right over the general area. Do you want

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00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 2: drones flying over your house in your backyard. It's one

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00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 2: thing for a guy to come up to your front

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00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 2: door and leave a bag at donuts. It's another thing

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00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 2: the drones flying over your house and other over other houses.

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Speaker 2: I think there'd be a lot of pushback on that. Ultimately,

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Speaker 2: if you get a dozen donuts. Again, I'm not a

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Speaker 2: donut guy, so I don't know. I'm just gonna pick

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Speaker 2: a number. Let's say a dozen donuts is thirty bucks.

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Speaker 2: Is that high or low? I don't know. I'm just

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00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 2: picking that number. You're tipping door dash three four bucks,

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Speaker 2: So I I see what The dronnuts is a good name.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think a lot of people young and

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Speaker 2: old want drones flying around everywhere. I think we're a

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Speaker 2: long way from that. I think there would be a

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Speaker 2: lot of pushback on just drones, even if they have

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Speaker 2: the other thing. When you need a relatively decent drone

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Speaker 2: to carry food and are you only doing one? How

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00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 2: many dozen donuts can it carry? Like? How many boxes?

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Speaker 2: Just one? And do an individual going back and forth

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Speaker 2: draft question from Pete. You were a scout and went

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00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 2: through December to late April draft process with people in

1112
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:41,720
Speaker 2: management above you, listening to all the mock drafts, player analysts, etc.

1113
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 2: On ESPN talk shows, Fox Sports putting down Colin his

1114
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 2: ways of explaining things are amazing. What does team management

1115
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 2: say when they hear a mock draft rumor of the

1116
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 2: offseason false reports? Can you give us some stories? Well,

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Speaker 2: I think when you work in it, everyone's paying attention

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00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 2: the mock drafts, right. We used to accumulate them all

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Speaker 2: in the office and have a packet, like if you're

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Speaker 2: Howie Roseman or Chris Ball or you're reading the mock drafts.

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00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,479
Speaker 2: But ultimately the difference of what those guys are doing

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00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 2: than everyone on television besides, like schefter who like is

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Speaker 2: legit knowledgeable in terms of like he's just spewing knowledge

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00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 2: that he's hearing, is as a GM. I'm constantly talking

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Speaker 2: to the other gms, so I get an idea and

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00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 2: feel for kind of what's going on, not necessarily what

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00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 2: players are gonna pick, but just would this team trade,

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Speaker 2: would this team not trade? How dead said? Are they

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Speaker 2: what they're asking for? So I think they're It didn't

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Speaker 2: matter what I thought. I could watch all the information

1131
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 2: have takes. There's only one decision maker in the room,

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00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 2: maybe two if they have to work together, the coach

1133
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 2: and the GM. So a lot of us, like the

1134
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 2: worker bees, the scouts, that whole time from December to

1135
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 2: April is just all about not stop accumulating information. That's

1136
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 2: really what you're kind of dead set on finding information

1137
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 2: on every player and what you're hearing about him and

1138
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 2: what other teams think about him. You're not as consumed,

1139
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 2: like it's not really your job to kind of know

1140
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 2: about other teams, I would say, because what they're gonna

1141
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 2: want out of you, Like the second round comes, Hey

1142
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 2: this guy kind of fell all of a sudden, the

1143
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 2: GM and the owner are like, hey, what's this guy's deal? Right?

1144
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 2: And he's from your area and you've been through Texas

1145
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 2: four times and you've got eight contacts and you've been building,

1146
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 2: you know, a scattering report on and off the field

1147
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 2: on this player for twelve plus months. You better know

1148
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 2: your shit. They don't care, like, hey, what was Kuiper's

1149
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 2: mack again? So I think that stuff. It's very entertaining.

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00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 2: I do it for a living essentially now, But inside

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00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 2: that it doesn't matter as much. You have to know

1152
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 2: your players. It's on your gm to be falling the

1153
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 2: rumors and all that stuff to know what's true and not.

1154
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 2: Your job is the rumors on your players. You better know.

1155
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 2: You better know it all, and if you don't know it,

1156
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 2: figure out a way to find out, because they're gonna

1157
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 2: look at you. All of a sudden. The fifth round

1158
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 2: comes like, wait, we had a second round grade on

1159
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 2: this guy. What's going on? What are you hearing? What's happening?

1160
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 2: Why is this free fall? There's something off the field.

1161
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 2: So you're kind of always doing that something that's been

1162
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 2: pissing me off for years. Why the heck does the

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00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 2: NFL start in August? It's still summer. I'm from Isle

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Speaker 2: and we have shit weathers for four months a year,

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00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 2: perfect football. I'm still able to be outdoors golfing, fishing,

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00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 2: hiking and pickleballing through September. Why doesn't the NFL push

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00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 2: everything back a month and give each team two by weeks,

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00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 2: stretch this thing into March. Let high school and college

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Speaker 2: be the ramp up and get the shine until we

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Speaker 2: get the best sporting events for the year. Uh. I

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Speaker 2: hate this answer. It's always been this way, so it's

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Speaker 2: never gonna change, but it's kind of always been that way.

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Speaker 2: I also think it doesn't really start in August. They

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Speaker 2: have training camp in argat August. I mean the football

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00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 2: season college starts September first, and the NFL starts September eighth.

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Speaker 2: So I think that I don't know. I don't know

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Speaker 2: what I tell you I do, it's it ain't changing

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Speaker 2: the NFL. I hear what you're saying with bad weather,

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Speaker 2: But to me, the NFL is the one team or

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Speaker 2: the one sport college as well that doesn't need to

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00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 2: worry about that. The other league's gotta they better transition

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Speaker 2: their sports because like here, like you said, March or whatever,

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00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 2: the NFL shines in February, March and April, right free agency,

1184
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 2: the combine, the draft, all these rumors to the you know,

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00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl up up till this week is a

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Speaker 2: really really big time, and then OTA's is really really

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01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 2: big as well. So like the reason OTA's kind of works,

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Speaker 2: Coaches are constantly talking, players are kind of it just

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Speaker 2: kind of keeps everyone. The NFL is now become an

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Speaker 2: eleven month sport. The month they take off is really July,

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Speaker 2: the end of June early July or I guess you know.

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01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 2: Summer break for NFL teams is usually give or take

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01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 2: June tenth through July twenty ish, some twenty two, some eighteen,

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01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 2: some twenty four, but give or take, coaches might come

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Speaker 2: in a week earlier. Got a question for the mailback.

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Speaker 2: From what I've heard on your pod, it sounds like

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Speaker 2: you're pretty high on Pennis. I'm a Broncos fan and

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Speaker 2: I'm hopeful we take Pennis at twelve. I know some

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Speaker 2: people have a second round grade on him, but he

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01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 2: has dominated while healthy for two years, playing great teams.

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01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 2: Am I overthinking it? Or should we take Pennix and

1202
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 2: live with what he produced? To me, if you're a

1203
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 2: Broncos fan you get pay you should be really really excited.

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01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 2: I mean, who are your quarterbacks right now? Seriously? Who

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01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 2: are the Broncos quarterbacks Stidham. I don't do they have

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Speaker 2: another quarterback on the roster. They signed a guy this offseason,

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Speaker 2: not that I can remember. I mean they gave Stidham

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01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 2: two years, ten million dollars. I mean, I think it's

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01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 2: pretty clear unless you do a massive trade up Pennix

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Speaker 2: or bow Knicks. If they draft the quarterbacks and be

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Speaker 2: one of those two guys, I'll take Michael Penox over

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01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 2: bow Nicks every day the week and fifty times on Sunday.

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01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people think that they're gonna go with

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01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 2: bow Knicks as their quarterback, but I don't know. I

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Speaker 2: would want Michael Pennox if I am these teams, the Raiders,

1217
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 2: the Broncos, the Minnesota If I don't trade up and

1218
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 2: I just stay and I get Michael Penox, I would

1219
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 2: be very, very excited. It's risky, but shit, so Trake May,

1220
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniel's risky. Hell, Caleb Williams risky. It's the NFL.

1221
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 2: They get Michael Pennix. Yes, he's been injured before. Yes

1222
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Speaker 2: he did not look good against Michigan, but holy shit,

1223
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 2: he looked good ninety five percent of the time he

1224
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 2: was at Washington, and he looked really good. So if

1225
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 2: I was a fan and we just get this guy

1226
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 2: in the teens or the twenties, if he doesn't go

1227
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 2: in the first round, I'd be stunned. I mean I

1228
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 2: would be floored that guy makes it the second round,

1229
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 2: which feels impossible. Now a lot of people don't think

1230
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 2: that these teams are gonna take him in the early teams.

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Speaker 2: Time will tell, but I would be excited. Appreciate everyone

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Speaker 2: keep firing in those dms.

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Speaker 1: The volume