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Speaker 1: and I've got my buddy Isaac Nielsen here with us.

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Speaker 1: Today's an engineer over there at MALA, and we're glad

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Speaker 1: in twelve thirty four YF. Isaac, welcome back, sir. It's

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Speaker 1: a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me Ron.

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Speaker 1: You know, and full disclosure, right, my machine needed an

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Speaker 1: oxygen sensor and I got to talking to Isaac about it,

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Speaker 1: You know, we've got AC machines now with oxygen sensors

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Speaker 2: We really had started with the Y introduction and the

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Speaker 1: So if someone were to and here's a scenario, if

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm a genius Isaac, and I don't want to

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Speaker 1: What's gonna happen to the machine? Is it going to break.

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Speaker 2: Well? It will stop functioning altogether. For the fact that

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Speaker 1: It seems like the industry is talking about. Boy, they

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Sure, the oxygen sensor that's used in these machines

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Speaker 2: End, correct, Yeah, Yeah, all identifiers should be monitoring the

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Speaker 1: Right, So, so you want to buy a fresh one.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like a steak. You want you want

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Speaker 1: a fresh steak. You want a fresh oxygen sensor. Correct,

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Speaker 1: no indigestion on either part. So Isaac, always informative brother.

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Speaker 1: Where can we go get more information? Send the listeners

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Speaker 1: What's the website from Malaya?

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Speaker 2: All of our products are available on Service Solutions dot

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Speaker 2: mala dot com.

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Speaker 1: Cool Beans as always, sir, a great pleasure. You have

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Speaker 1: a great rest of the weekend, and we'll talk again

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Speaker 1: real soon. All right, all right, thanks, Ron, You're welcome.

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Speaker 1: after this. I ain't ever been with one long use

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