1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Hey guys, and welcome to an episode of Normally, the 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: show with Normalish takes for when the news gets weird 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: and it's always weird. I'm Mary Catherine Ham. 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 2: And I'm Carol Marcowitz. 5 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. We've had a 6 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: bunch of people download, and we encourage all of you 7 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: to continue to follow, subscribe, download, comment, rate us. Lovely 8 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 1: to have you Normies with us today. We're getting into 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: some news, tough news immediately today from my home state. Actually, 10 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: I grew up in North Carolina, and Hurricane Helene dumped 11 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: so much water on the state of North Carolina, particularly 12 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: western North Carolina and East Tennessee, that the flooding and 13 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: damn issues and mud slides are absolutely biblical and just 14 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: the devastation happening there, and it has for several factors 15 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,279 Speaker 1: which we can discuss. It's not gotten a ton of 16 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: coverage on now national sort of at least TV news 17 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 1: for sure, some print coverage, but just some stats about 18 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: what it looks like there. Dozens of counties are in 19 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: a state of emergency. A friend of mine checked the 20 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: court system today just to give you an idea. In 21 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: twenty two counties just don't have court for the foreseeable 22 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: future because no facilities can be reached and nothing can 23 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: be done. There are entire communities west of Asheville, which 24 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: is the city you will hear a lot about because 25 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: it's the medium sized city that's affected by this, but 26 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: there are tons of communities west of that that are 27 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: completely isolated. We're talking no roads in, no communication, no internet, 28 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: no sell no any kind of phone, and they're using 29 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: choppers to get supplies there. So that's the scene in 30 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: western North Carolina as it stands. Ten to thirty inches 31 00:01:55,800 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: of rain fell across the mountains. Four sixty four thousand 32 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: or without power in North Carolina, although a lot of 33 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: them have been restored. It was a million at the beginning. 34 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: It's been restored, so thank you to the lineman and 35 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: other first responders. But that's where we stand at the moment. 36 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: It's going to be a very long recovery from a 37 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: Katrina level trauma. There. 38 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, just awful devastation. I think that one of the 39 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 3: main things that I would say about this is that, look, 40 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 3: I don't think the hurricane relief should be a president's 41 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 3: job necessarily, but I do remember very well the absolute 42 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 3: hysteria when George W. Bush did a flyover of New 43 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 3: Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. And that's what Kamala Harris did 44 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 3: in North Carolina to absolute silence from the media. Joe 45 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 3: Biden was, of course at his beach house in Delaware. 46 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 2: Let's roll that clip, and a hurricane is for president. 47 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,119 Speaker 3: Why weren't she and Vice President. 48 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: Harris Jared Washington commanding this this weekend? 49 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 3: I was command. 50 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: I was on the fiel for at least two hours 51 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: yesterday and the day before as well. 52 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 3: I command call a telephone. It's all my security. It's 53 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 3: not important for the country to see. 54 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: Goodbye two whole hours. 55 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 3: Wow, that's a serious workday over there in biden Land. 56 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 3: He is super on it by phone. But of course, 57 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 3: this response was at least better than when Biden was 58 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 3: asked about the strikes in Yemen and he said, I've 59 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 3: spoken to both sides. They got to settle the strike. 60 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 3: Worth the collective bargaining effort. I think they'll settle the strike, 61 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 3: which sounds like he thinks the Yemen Nights are. 62 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: Picketing outside of their job or something. 63 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 3: So our producer John mentioned that he was flipping through 64 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 3: all the channels on Sunday night to see if anyone 65 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 3: is talking about the hurricane, and he could only find 66 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 3: mention of it on the Weather Channel, no other coverage 67 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: at all. 68 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty amazing. Actually, look, some of this can 69 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: be a dropped because in the news industry, you're covering 70 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: your all eyes on Florida, right, because Florida, by the way, 71 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: are you guys good, You're good? 72 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 3: Right? All good? Our governor is of course just amazing 73 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 3: and completely on it. I didn't hit my coast, which 74 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 3: is the East Coast, thankfully, but you could just you 75 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 3: knew that Florida was well prepared and ready to go. 76 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 3: I don't know that the same kind of coverage it 77 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 3: has been given to Democratic Governor of North Carolina, Roy Cooper. 78 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 3: I think that if this kind of devastation was happening 79 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 3: in Florida and Governor DeSantis had been sort of unprepared 80 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 3: for it, the media would be doing just a happy dance. 81 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 3: And I think that that's really kind of sick that 82 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 3: they're not covering this at all because they kind of 83 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 3: have to protect their guy, and of course, also the 84 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 3: political implications in North Carolina. Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson is 85 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 3: the Republican candidate running against state Attorney General Josh Stein 86 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 3: to replace Roy Cooper. And I you know, Robinson has 87 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 3: been in the news lately. He's had some questionable comments. 88 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 3: The media is definitely not trying to show that the 89 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 3: Democrats are doing a poor job in North Carolina. 90 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, Desanta's truly has a gift for disaster prep and 91 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: it is. It's something to watch the State of Florida 92 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: and how things are run. It gives me rare moments 93 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: of hope for the idea of government running anything. 94 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 3: He's a problem solver. I would say that's his gift. Actually, 95 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 3: he's like, here's the problem, and he's like, I know 96 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 3: how to solve this. I he just figures out solutions 97 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 3: in a way that I have never seen before. I 98 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 3: quote the Vanilla Ice line, like if you got a problem, 99 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 3: you I'll solve That's him. 100 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's impressive to watch. And there's just no 101 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: nonsense updates coming from his Twitter feed all day with 102 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: like this is how many people's power we've restored, this 103 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 1: is the progress on this post Hurricane Ian. Just to 104 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: give an idea, my husband was down there as a 105 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: first responder and things were really wiped out in so 106 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: many areas, particularly the Fort Myers area, and just bridges 107 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: that no longer existed between islands that were rebuilt within 108 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: days to make sure that supplies could get where they 109 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: needed to go. So DeSantis has sent assets to North 110 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: Carolina because he's got things handled and he knows what 111 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: he needs in Florida. And I think, unfortunately, you're correct, Carol, 112 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: that some of this can be innocent, because maybe you 113 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: didn't expect western North Carolina to be the place she's hit. 114 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: It's Appalachia. There aren't a lot of national reporters or 115 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: assets there. Atlanta flooding is going to get a lot 116 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: more coverage for that week for that reason. But we 117 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: all know if outside of Washington, DC, or New York 118 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: or LA or Chicago got this level of devastation, it 119 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: would be a twenty four to seven. That's her story. Now, 120 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: there isn't a lot of internet coverage, There isn't a 121 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: lot of accessibility to these areas. But this is a 122 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: great time to have a president who has been briefed 123 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: and can go before the American people and bring attention 124 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,239 Speaker 1: to something that might not otherwise get a lot of attention. 125 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: But as we noted, Biden was on the beach and 126 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris is on the trail. 127 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's a bright spot in North Carolina. I 128 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 3: think you're going to tell us about something Elon Musk 129 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 3: is doing. 130 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: Yes, so there. I want to give credit also to 131 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: just like all the first responders down there and coming 132 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: from all other states and you know, going into danger 133 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: and washed out roads and doing the hard work. And 134 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: one of the things those first responders are using is Starlink, 135 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: which is Elon Musk's satellite based internet. It is affordable 136 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: and portable, and so you can take it as a 137 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: first responder team into areas that don't otherwise have coverage. 138 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: You can use it so that people can touch base 139 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: with relatives for the first time, which many people in 140 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: that's from North Carolina have not been able to update 141 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: anyone as to their condition. So you can do that. 142 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: And again, so many things in media are so ideologically 143 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: driven that I doubt this will be given the credit 144 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: it deserves. But it has really been a lifeline in 145 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: this crisis. And I just want to note I don't 146 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: know if you remember this story, but in twenty twenty three, 147 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: the FCC denied Starlink subsidies for a second time. Because 148 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: they say starlink has not demonstrated that it would meet 149 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: the required download speeds for these rural areas. But I 150 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 1: would just say that having starlink versus having nothing is 151 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: actually quite beneficial and it's been working out okay in 152 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: a really devastating situation. 153 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 2: They're okay with their download speeds. 154 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: You're trying to say, yeah, they are okay with their 155 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: download speeds right now. And I think a lot of 156 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: that can be idealized driven as well. And it makes 157 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: me sad that in these situations, and in an environment 158 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: of public trust where you've lost so much trust, and 159 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: where people are doing amazing work on behalf of their 160 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: fellow citizens in these hardest hit areas that the media 161 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 1: lens is, is there a Republican we can blame for this? 162 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 2: Exactly? 163 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: And if not, I'm I'm sure we're going to be 164 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: there exactly. 165 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 3: Well, again, going back to Katrina, they blame George W. Bush, 166 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 3: but not all the Democratic officials in Louisiana who did 167 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 3: very little to protect people in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. 168 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I would encourage everyone to just stay alert 169 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: to this what I call in the news business, they 170 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: call it the second day story right, this happened after. 171 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: Flooding happens after. I'll note for you guys a couple 172 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: of charities that the indispensable Emily Zanati was suggesting for 173 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: western North Carolina and East Tennessee. Samaritans Purse is great. 174 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: They're based in western North Carolina, so they know the 175 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: area intimately, Appalachia's Service Project, Appalachian Kentucky Water Mission, all 176 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: of those, the United Cajun Navy, which is a big 177 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: fan of those. Those guys, just some great ways to 178 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: help out if you can, because people aren't a bad. 179 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I hope that they get the help that 180 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 3: they need to. Hope that our politicians can maybe act 181 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 3: a little quicker and do a little more for them. 182 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 3: Right now, it's a it's a really tough situation. The 183 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 3: pictures and the videos are just devastating. Praying for all 184 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 3: the people affected by the hurricane. 185 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:35,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see, we'll see how the response goes moving forward, 186 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: and there are government assets on the ground like doing things. 187 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: I just hate this thing where we give people a 188 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: bunch of credit for response and empathy that they're not 189 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: actually demonstrating. We should we should evaluate based on the 190 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: facts of what's happening absolutely well. 191 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 3: Switching gears to politics, politics, Tonight, JD. Vance and Tim 192 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 3: Walls will debate their first and only debate. I believe 193 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 3: both are running as a Midwestern every man, and the 194 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 3: goal tonight will clearly be to rattle each other. I 195 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 3: do not think either of these guys rattles easily. We'll 196 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 3: see and so far as anyone wins or loses these debates, 197 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 3: which is often unclear, I think a win for Walls 198 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 3: will be if he's able to portray Vance as an elitist. 199 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 3: And I think a win for Vance will be if 200 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 3: he's able to portray Walls as the far left as 201 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 3: he is and generally out of touch with Midwesterners. 202 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: What do you think, Yeah, I think you've made a 203 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: great point about this. Look at me. I'm just going 204 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: to steal one of your points to on this podcast 205 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: that Walls, to a certain extent is not allowed to 206 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: say much. That's right because he's a good Both of 207 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: these guys are good talkers. Let's both Let's give both 208 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: of them credit for that. They can put together lots 209 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: of sentences, and I think Walls can probably speak to substance, 210 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: but he's not allowed to in this campaign because this campaig, 211 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: the Harris Walls one, wants to sort of float above 212 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: the idea on a cloud of joy to election day. 213 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: And so because he can't speak to substance of policies 214 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: that she's either endorsed in the past or repudiated through 215 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: a mouthpiece in recent days, what does he say? I 216 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: guess he goes pretty personal, that would. I guess that's 217 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: where they go. If you talk about substance. 218 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 3: We're going to hear about cat ladies for sure. That's 219 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 3: going to be a topic that he absolutely. 220 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 2: Will bring up. Yeah, you know, that's the thing. 221 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 3: I think this is a very Siginfeldian campaign that they're 222 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 3: running a campaign about nothing because they can't run on 223 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 3: any of the issues as they truly believe them, so 224 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 3: they have to run on vibes and listen, it's not 225 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 3: that I don't think a ViBe's election could win. I 226 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 3: just don't think it's particularly good for the country if 227 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 3: it does. 228 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: I agree. I think hard questions and dealing with we 229 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: are good and that is something that Vance is good at. 230 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: And you can look at the likability differential between these 231 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: two candidates, and you must admit that Walls comes out 232 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: on top of that. However, when I've watched Vance on 233 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 1: various Sunday shows where he gets just about his hostile 234 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: questioning as you can get in that venue, he is 235 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: pretty much unfailingly like Deft, has a pretty soft touch, 236 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,719 Speaker 1: can find openings, which is, by the way, the thing 237 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 1: that Trump lacked in the last debate, where there were 238 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 1: wide openings to critique and he just didn't see them 239 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: because he's distracted by something else. Vance is not like that. 240 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: Whether any of it matters, yeah, it's a VP debate, 241 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. He's going to be. 242 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:50,599 Speaker 3: Hard to get off his game. But I think the 243 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 3: VP here does matter. I think what we just went 244 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 3: through with Biden makes the VP debate more important. People 245 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 3: are like, hmm, actually it does matter who the vice 246 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 3: president is. So I think that it will matter in 247 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 3: a way that maybe it hasn't before in terms of 248 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 3: the structure of the debate. They're not going to be 249 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 3: fact checking in real time, apparently. The New York Times 250 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 3: reports that there will be a QR code, and The 251 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 3: New York Times says that it will appear on screen 252 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 3: for long stretches of the CBS telecast. Now viewers will 253 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 3: scan the code be redirected to the CBS News website, 254 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 3: where a squad of twenty CBS journalists will post fact 255 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 3: checks of the candidate's remarks in real time. I'm going 256 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 3: to say that twenty CBS journalists are probably still going 257 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 3: to fact check jd Vance and let Tim Walls have 258 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 3: much of a walk. 259 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 2: What do you think? 260 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: I think you're correct, and I think there's evidence for 261 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: this in that. First of all, I'm glad they're not 262 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: doing it on stage. They shouldn't because you can't be 263 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: one hundred percent and you therefore should not try absolutely. 264 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: Margaret Brennan in her Sunday Show interview with Vance. Margaret 265 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: Brennan is one of the the moderators. A couple of 266 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: weeks ago, she fact checked him, not live, but added 267 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: a taped segment to fact checked him, and she got 268 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: it wrong. So it's like, please do the checking, but 269 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: do the checking correctly. And they're so often blinded by 270 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: their own inability to listen to the other side that it's, uh, 271 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: it's problematic. 272 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 3: Well, they have their rooting for a team, and it's 273 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 3: hard to see clearly when you're rooting for a team. 274 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 3: I mean, I think that that's the case for a 275 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 3: lot of people. I think that they're unable to assess 276 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 3: what's really going on because they so want one side 277 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 3: to win. Speaking of that, there is a we're only 278 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 3: gonna talk about this for a minute or two, but 279 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 3: there is a pull out this week out of Florida, 280 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 3: and it has Trump only leading Harris by two percent, 281 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 3: and it has Rick Scott only leading his Democratic opponent 282 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 3: by one point. And I think that this relates to 283 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 3: what we talking about with the debate or with the 284 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 3: way people feel the way that it gets covered. This 285 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 3: poll is a bunch of nonsense, but it's ricocheting around 286 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 3: the democratic world because they so want to believe. Now, 287 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 3: as a Floridian and as a conservative. 288 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 2: I want them to believe too. 289 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 3: Go ahead, spend money in Florida, run some ads. 290 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 2: Why not? But this unable to. 291 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 3: See things clearly because you need things to be a 292 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 3: certain way. 293 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 2: It's not journalism. I don't know what it is, but 294 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 2: it's definitely not journalism. 295 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: No, And I think that's one of the things that 296 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: I appreciate about being a right of center person in 297 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: media is that I have my priors checked all all 298 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: the time, constantly. I have to be on guard for 299 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: like am I just assuming too much here, and that's 300 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: actually quite healthy. And the problem is that much of 301 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: the media does not have that force in their lives right, 302 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: And to the extent that I can provide it, I'm 303 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: glad to but it's it's not enough and the priors 304 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: are confirmed far too often for them. There was there 305 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: was also some polling recently that was close out of 306 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: Texas for Ted Cruz for Senate versus Colin Allred, who's 307 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: a pretty far left former legislator from the state of Texas. 308 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: And again, if you want to throw money at it, 309 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: I'm happy for you to. 310 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 2: Sure. 311 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: Ted Cruse was also happy to say, like, please send 312 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: me more money. They're really coming after me down here, right. 313 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: But yes, I think you're right that a lot of 314 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: this is can be wish casting. Also, can we move 315 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: from the idea of the most consequential election of all 316 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: time to the most confusing election of all time because 317 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: the mixed signals from the polling are wild. 318 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think Nate Silver is under a 319 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 3: lot of pressure to produce polls that show Kamala ahead, 320 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 3: and you just see every time he finds one, he's like, 321 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 3: well look at this, stop yelling at me because here's ooh, 322 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 3: and they are yelling at him. 323 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: Nate Silver is a famous status who has a model 324 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: for who might win the election. He's been formally employed 325 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: by The New York Times, has been a liberal darling 326 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: at times, has gotten a lot of stuff really right. 327 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 1: And man, there is freedom, Carol in watching Nate Silver 328 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: give you facts and understand that you don't need him 329 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: to be quote on your team. He's just giving me information. 330 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: I can evaluate it as needed. But a lot of 331 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: my people do not feel that way. 332 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 3: And he says he wants Kamala to win. It's not 333 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 3: like he's you know, unbiased in his personal opinions. He's 334 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 3: just saying this is what the numbers are producing, and 335 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 3: Democrats are like, you've sold out. 336 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: Like this reminded me to do. This reminds me very 337 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: briefly of the insane period of twenty twenty, during which 338 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: several liberals were basically canceled pretty harshly for pointing out 339 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: that moments of social upheaval and sort of riots in 340 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: the street and anything along the lines of what we 341 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: were seeing in twenty twenty can be politically electorally beneficial 342 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: to Republicans, just as a just as a fact of history. 343 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: And everyone was like, we don't want that information. Please 344 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: see the door don't work for anyone anymore. 345 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 3: Oh, twenty twenty, it was a heady time of you know, 346 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 3: people getting cut off like that. 347 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: It was, well, you know who's still sort of living 348 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: in the vibe of twenty twenty, Oh the WNBA. And 349 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: let me tell you why. So I know you everyone 350 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: knows of Kaitlyn Clark, because everyone knows of Kaitlyn Clark, 351 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 1: the Iowa standout generational talent basketball player who has brought 352 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: tons of attention to women's basketball, women's sports, and the 353 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: WNBA that's not particulate. 354 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 2: Well, ebody wants that. 355 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: You'd think it would be, because you know, it increases 356 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: the money they can make on endorsement deal, it increases 357 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: the money that they're making at the stadiums, It increases 358 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: all the good things, the number of fans. It turns 359 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: out that the WNBA isn't really into that. I have 360 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 1: never seen a league try to torpedo its own success 361 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: like this league has. Because I'm interested in watching in 362 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: ways that i haven't been before. 363 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I can't say that I'm interested in watching, 364 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 3: but I'm definitely I know who Caitlin Clark is. I 365 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 3: don't think I've ever been able to name a different 366 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 3: female basketball player WNBA. Listen, not to be sexist about it. 367 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 3: I'm not really into the NBA either. I find basketball 368 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 3: just one of my least favorite sports to watch. But 369 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 3: she's definitely out there in a way that normies like 370 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 3: me have heard of her and maybe would leave it 371 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 3: on if she's playing, just to see the phenomen you know, 372 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 3: do it right. 373 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: So this has caused some I think not a small 374 00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: amount of professional jealousy within the WNBA. Has been a 375 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: desire by other players to sort of put her in 376 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: her place. There's been a lot of football level hip 377 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: checking and fowls of Caitlin Clark, who nonetheless has remained 378 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: extremely calm under fire. Does not go off on people 379 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 1: in press conferences, does not talk a lot of junks. 380 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: She's a tough competitor on the court, but she hasn't 381 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: reacted to this. 382 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 3: Is there an ipoke recently or something? 383 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,479 Speaker 1: Yes, there was an ipoke recently, and I'm glad you 384 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: brought that up because I'm going to take a rare 385 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: moment to defend the media against the WNBA here's what 386 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: happened the other day. Christine Brennan, who is a really 387 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 1: longtime sports journalist works for USA Today, asked one of 388 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: the players involved in this I poking incident, which resulted 389 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: in a bruised eye for Clark. You can see the injury. 390 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: As I said, she's been subject to a lot of 391 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: harsh treatment during the season this year. A player is 392 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 1: asked about that because it's a controversial play, and you 393 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: ask people about that. 394 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 2: But sure. 395 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 1: The WNBA sort of union of players put out a 396 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: statement saying that Christine Brennan had quote abused her privileges 397 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: and does not deserve the credentials issue to her. 398 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:17,479 Speaker 2: Because she asked about it. 399 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 3: But why, what's the the what is that? I mean again, 400 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 3: let's put ourselves in the leftist media mindset or in 401 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 3: the leftist you know, organization mindset. 402 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: What okay, I'll read you the last very flowery paragraph 403 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: of their statement that so called interview in the name 404 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 1: of journalism was a blatant attempt to bait a professional 405 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: athlete into participating in a narrative that is false and 406 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: designed to here it is fuel racist, homophobic, and misogynistic 407 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: vitriol on social media. You cannot hide behind your tenure. 408 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: So her question about a foul was an attack on 409 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 1: the identity of many people within the WNBA or something. 410 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 3: That feels very twenty twenty, shutting down conversation by calling 411 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 3: the person a racist. 412 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 2: I feel like that's very familiar. 413 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: Yep. Brittany Griner also joined in by telling a reporter 414 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: the other day when she was asked about new fans 415 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: to the sport, which you would think you'd be like, 416 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: We're excited to have new fans. No, no, no, she's 417 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: mad at the fans because the fans, she claims. She's like, yeah, 418 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: am I happy about fans who come here to yell 419 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: racial slurs at us? 420 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 2: I was like, is that happening? 421 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: There's a lot of cameras at w NBA games and 422 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: yet we have not seen that. 423 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 3: Right. That would be all over the news, it would 424 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 3: be everywhere. 425 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: Again, this is just an attempt to smear Clark and 426 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: then by extension, her fans, without any real reason to 427 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: do so, aside from like, I don't know, you just 428 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 1: don't want anyone to watch the sport. 429 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 3: It's just it's crazy. I just think about you know, 430 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 3: the you always want an oddity in the sport, right, 431 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 3: you always want somebody who's different, because it does attract 432 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 3: new people. I think that Tiger Woods opened up golf 433 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 3: in a lot of ways to Black Americans in a 434 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 3: way that they maybe didn't think of it as a 435 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 3: sport for them before. 436 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 2: What's wrong with that? 437 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: Why is that bad? 438 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 2: Why wouldn't we want that? It's crazy? 439 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: Well, and I'm also open to the idea that women 440 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: can compete very toughly and that's fine, and they should 441 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: let them, you know, let them play, as they say, 442 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: But some of these at the beginning, I was pretty like, ah, 443 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: you know, let let the gals play. They're they're competitive too, 444 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: And then you watch a couple of these and you're like, Okay, 445 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: this is really kind of off the charts. But I 446 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: think that a healthy competition between all these women. Angel 447 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: Reese is incredibly talented too, and they had a rivalry 448 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 1: in college, could be a wonderful thing. But we have 449 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: gone way beyond that. Somebody joked the other day I 450 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: didn't I don't remember who who it was, so I 451 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: can't credit them. But like, I didn't have the w 452 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: NBA players as the most whiny demographic in all of sports, right, 453 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: but here we are. 454 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, you think that they would have a tougher skin. 455 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: But you know it would. It'd be better for everyone, 456 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: be better for the sport, better for women like I 457 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:17,959 Speaker 1: don't know. 458 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I will continue not watching the WNBA. I will 459 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 3: send a message. Nothing you do can attract me to 460 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 3: your sport. 461 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: Well, they're certainly not trying. 462 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 2: That's right. 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