1 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to Securing America with me, Frank Affne. The program 2 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: that's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country 3 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 1: we love against all enemies foreign and domestic, to the 4 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: glory of God in our kingdom. I want to talk 5 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: to you first about a very important development in the 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: Middle East, and then here's my thoughts on it. The 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: fate of Iran's despotic regime appears to be hanging in 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: the balance. The country's population, after almost five decades of repression, 9 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: privation and Sharia and doctrination, are in the streets, risking 10 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: life and limb to demand the Mulla's overthrow. Thousands have 11 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: been shot dead where they were demonstrating. Others who were 12 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:52,279 Speaker 1: wounded were subsequently executed. To his credit, President Trump has 13 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: repeatedly expressed solidarity with those seeking freedom, encouraging them to 14 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: keep protesting, and promising help to those subjected to murderous 15 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: attacks by Iranian and imported jihadists. On Wednesday, however, the 16 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: President declared that such attacks had reportedly been suspended. While 17 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: he expressed some uncertainty about the accuracy of such claims, 18 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: the implication was that the promise of US military action 19 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: on behalf of the protesters would be suspended as well. 20 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: America must help the Iranian people prevail, not abandon them. 21 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: Yet again, let's hear what our colleague and friend, David 22 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: Wurmser thinks about all of this. He's followed this subject 23 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:41,199 Speaker 1: closely for decades and we value his insights tremendously. David, 24 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: welcome back to Securing America. We're going to use some 25 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: of your comments for a webinar on the subject today 26 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: at one pm Eastern Time Overduser. 27 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: It's slightly discouraging because the United States I think did 28 00:01:55,800 --> 00:02:01,919 Speaker 2: encourage a bit these demonstrations. They were obviously the Iranians 29 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 2: were motivated by themselves, their condition, their hope, despair. But 30 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,519 Speaker 2: this time they got a tailwind from the United States 31 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 2: rather than the headwind that the United States has traditionally 32 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 2: presented these freedom seekers in Iran. And what this time 33 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 2: they really took it to heart. And I think there's 34 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 2: a sense of disappointment in Iran because they feel that 35 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 2: the moment is being lost. Literally, the silence of the 36 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 2: grave is descending on the streets of Tehran, and that's 37 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 2: that was one of the biggest assets the United States 38 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: had here. This was not only a humanitarian gesture that 39 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 2: President Trump was indicating. This was actually a potential solution 40 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 2: to one of the gravest strategic problems the United States 41 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: and the West has faced for fifty years, which is 42 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 2: the Iranian regime and the specter that it's haunted, specter 43 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: that it's represented in international politics ever since, with a 44 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 2: lot of death and a lot of damage done by 45 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: them along the way. This was a real opportunity, and 46 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: unfortunately I don't think it's gone. I think President Trump 47 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: intends to do what he needs to do. The problem is, 48 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 2: we had the Iranian street worth ten thousand bollars able 49 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: to help us here bring down the regime. We had 50 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: people on the ground, namely the Iranian people on the ground, 51 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 2: who are willing to do heavy lifting to move it in. 52 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: Any action by the United States in the last two 53 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: weeks would have resulted, in my view, to an electrification 54 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: of an already dangerous, dangerous for the regime uprising that 55 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: the Iranian people had. Unfortunately, when we circle back, even 56 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 2: if it's in forty eight hours, a week or two, unfortunately, 57 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 2: I think the Iranian street has literally been slaughtered into 58 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: submission at this point, and they can't and they won't 59 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 2: be there as our strategic asset. They'll be sympathetic, but 60 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: they're really bleeding into submission. So we will have to 61 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: do this, or Israel will have to do this. Somebody 62 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 2: will have to do this eventually and soon, because Iran 63 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: will now be emboldened and it will seek weapons again. 64 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: It simply will will do what it needs to do 65 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 2: in order to threaten the West. And as a result, 66 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 2: we're going to have to go back and do it, 67 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 2: whether it's Israel, the United States, or so forth. But 68 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: this time, unfortunately, we've lost such a major opportunity and 69 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,119 Speaker 2: strategic asset with the Iranian street. 70 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: So, David, is your view that the street is now 71 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: in fact vacated and that the people there, as you say, 72 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: have been murderously assaulted to the point where they're not 73 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: willing to be in the street. 74 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 2: At this point, I think that it is going to 75 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: quiet down now somewhat. Now there's some cities that are 76 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 2: still under the control of the uprising, and that's going 77 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 2: to be a bloody situation, and that's going to be 78 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 2: somewhat of a problem. But by and large, and most 79 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: of the cities, Tehran especially and so forth, you're going 80 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 2: to see a deadly quiet descend. It's simply they feel 81 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 2: they're alone. 82 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 3: Now. 83 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: They can't do it alone anymore. There's no point to 84 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 2: throwing another five thousand, you know, ten fifteen, twenty thousand 85 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 2: people in five six days have been slaughtered. They can't 86 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 2: go out to the street and every day lose another 87 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 2: two to five thousand people without any hope that they'll 88 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: get anywhere. It's really demoralizing. So I think that is 89 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 2: quieted down now. If President Trump gets out there and 90 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:49,239 Speaker 2: he says, listen, they promise that they will not attack 91 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 2: any demonstrators, and the demonstrators test it and go out 92 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 2: there and show up to see if they'll do something, 93 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 2: then the regime is maybe a kind of a problem 94 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 2: where either they let the demonstrations go on, but then 95 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: they'll start growing again because they're not responding, or they 96 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: respond and then Trump says, you're killing the demonstrators again. 97 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 2: But I actually think that we're not in that sort 98 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 2: of a situation. I think we're now sort of a 99 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 2: resolution in a negative way, namely that the street really 100 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 2: has now been slaughtered into silence. 101 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: And David, as you look at this sort of status quo, 102 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: shall we say, is it likely that the regime will 103 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: quietly be going about murdering those who were in the street, 104 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: even if they're no longer out there, and therefore essentially 105 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: defying Trump, but doing it in a way that is 106 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: not as visible as in the demonstrations when they were. 107 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 2: Exactly what will happen is they are a regime that 108 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 2: relies on the image of omnipotent brutality to survive, so 109 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 2: they have it in their interest and they know it's 110 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 2: in their interest, and it's really the currency of regime 111 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 2: rule for them is to slaughter the people who are arrested, 112 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 2: and there's over twenty thousand people arrested. They said that 113 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 2: they would execute them. Now my bet is they'll have 114 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: show trials, and the show trials will take half a year, 115 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 2: a quarter year, half a year. They're going to let 116 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: this die down when the whole crisis is gone, and 117 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 2: then they're going to execute people in large numbers. We 118 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 2: have to remember, before this uprising took place, Iran had 119 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 2: executed over two thousand people political prisoners essentially over the 120 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: last year. This is a murderous regime. This is now 121 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: going to do it again on steroids, but they're going 122 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 2: to do it carefully. They're going to do it quietly, 123 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: and they're going to do it waiting probably a few weeks, 124 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: so President Trump can say listen, they're going to try 125 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 2: to play him against himself, going to basically give him 126 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 2: what he needs to say. Listen, I stopped the killing, 127 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 2: I stopped the executions. The Iranian regime has understood I'm serious, 128 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 2: and they're backing down and we can move to a deal. 129 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 2: But the Iranians then will try to trap him in 130 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: that process again, which will allow them to go return 131 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 2: building their weapons and killing people. 132 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is not your speculation. This is the 133 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: playbook the Runian regime. And from that matter, you know 134 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: Sharia's supremacists practice all the time. We're seeing it in 135 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: Gaza as well, are we not correct? And David, just 136 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: to go back to something you said earlier, you said 137 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: that Israel is going to have to do it, or 138 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: we are going to have to do it. What is 139 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: the it that you are referring to in that connection, Well. 140 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 2: The Israelis have to deal with the weapons issues again. 141 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 2: I mean, the missiles are being built at a pace 142 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 2: a greater than before the war in June. The launchers 143 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 2: are being rebuilt slower pace, but they're being rebuilt uh 144 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 2: and Iran is sending a lot of equipment. 145 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 4: To the Jutis. 146 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 2: Kabala has resumed its rearming. In other words, Israel's now 147 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 2: in a countdown for another October seventh, with Iran another June, 148 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 2: and so they're going to have to act and they're 149 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 2: reaching the red line fairly soon. In terms of missiles. 150 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 2: The Iranians are also working on making chemical warheads on 151 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 2: those missiles, according to several reports. 152 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: We have to leave it at that, David warns, God 153 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: bless you keep up the great work. We're back soon. 154 00:09:38,760 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: We'll be right back, folks, stay tuned. We're back and 155 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: a very important conversation is in the offing. We're going 156 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: to be speaking with men I've come to know a 157 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: little bit in recent months because he is very much 158 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: in the forefront of the effort to call attention to 159 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: what is happening in Syria that is imperiling essentially all 160 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: of the minority communities that have resided there, in some 161 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: cases for thousands of years, the Kurds, the Drus, the Alowhites, 162 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: the Zidi's, not least the Christians in communities that are 163 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:50,359 Speaker 1: now increasingly imperiled, and not just by random Jihattist elements, 164 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: but by the government of this augmed Al Sharah itself. 165 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: And we are confronting as a nation is are we 166 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: enabling what might well be genocide at that government's hands. 167 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: To talk about all of this, we have Shadi Khalul. 168 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: He is the president of the Israeli Christian Aramaic non 169 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 1: governmental organization. He's a former Israel Defense Forces Christian officer 170 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: and a freedom fighter who were very pleased to have 171 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: met through our mutual friend and colleague from whom we 172 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: were just hearing, doctor David Wormser, who spent some time 173 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: with Shadi and his community and others in the northern 174 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: areas of Israel learning about what's happening across the border 175 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: in Syria. Shadi, thank you so much for finding some 176 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: time for us to give us an update on what 177 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 1: is happening in that long suffering country to these communities 178 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: that are now quite literally in the crosshairs of as forces. 179 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me, and I am 180 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 5: happy to be with you and with your audience. 181 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: Well great, let me start by just asking you, doctor Wormser, 182 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: I think in your company for some period in his 183 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: previous trip. He's just returned now, as you probably know, 184 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: came away from conversations with people on both sides of 185 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: the border. That something has changed in the attitude of 186 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: these Jihadis towards these minorities. That the kind of tolerance 187 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: that ostensibly they were to show to at least the 188 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: people of the book, the guise of dimitude is now 189 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 1: over the side, and everybody else is just clearly facing 190 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: the worst of the mistreatment that they can dish out, 191 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: which oftentimes is genocidal. Is that correct? Is that what's 192 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 1: happening in Syria at the moment, genocidal attacks on these 193 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: minority populations. 194 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 5: Are unfortunately, I would say, friend, that we are facing 195 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 5: here historical changes in front of our eyes happening in 196 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 5: Syria and threatening. Actually, those that people call minorities are 197 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 5: ethnic groups, historical and ancient ethnic groups. The natives of 198 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 5: the land, like specifically the Christians who are Aramaic people 199 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 5: used to live there even before there was Christianity. They 200 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 5: adopted Christianity and from the first followers of Jesus, as 201 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 5: you know, Saint Paul who came to Syria to that region, 202 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 5: and we kept being there in this region as a Christian. 203 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 5: I am speaking on behalf of my people in this region. 204 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 6: They have no voice, and I want. 205 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 4: To thank you for allowing me to be with you 206 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 4: and having a voice for them, and maybe this will 207 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 4: help saving them and bringing a better resilience for them 208 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 4: and bringing hope for them to stay there and just 209 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 4: stify for our faith and our Lord Jesus in the land. 210 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 6: So what is the minority? 211 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: I pray that is. So let me just press you 212 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: on this one point, sir, if I may. As we speak, 213 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: there are reports of the city of Aleppo being emptied 214 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: out in the face of what are now seen to 215 00:14:53,840 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: be government forces preparing to attack and perhaps engage in 216 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: mass murder. There is that, again, what you understand is happening. 217 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: We've been told to this point that no, no, no, it's 218 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: not the government's forces that are you know, engaged in 219 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: this kind of thing. It's it's various terrorist groups and 220 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: so on. What's the ground truth on that? 221 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 5: Scurcer's it was the clashes between HTS forces, which is 222 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 5: government forces of Syrian government forces with the help of 223 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:37,359 Speaker 5: Turkish forces and against the SDF, which is the Curdish forces. 224 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 5: Now in these clashes, also like innocent people were hold 225 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 5: in between those clashes and many free and many left 226 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 5: because of genocidal actions that HTS the government forces did 227 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 5: against them. And we saw like some Caurdish ladies that 228 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 5: were caught on in the by HTS and they treated 229 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 5: brutally by those jihadist groups that belong to the government. 230 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 6: So we saw the images and the videos of. 231 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 3: These poor ladies, how they were treated, and really it 232 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 3: just reminds me about ten years ago and twelve years 233 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 3: ago how they treated the Seeds and Christians by. 234 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 6: Actually Isis back then. 235 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 5: It's the same Isis attitude, sciences, mentality, nothing changed, that's 236 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 5: their ideology. 237 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 6: This is HTS, the Giulani forces. 238 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 5: So don't they like be miss led or deceived by 239 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 5: those groups or HTS being the government groups. It's all 240 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 5: jihadi groups. Nothing changed, the attitude, the behavior, the brutality, 241 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 5: the ideology, the superiority that the Islam should actually dominate 242 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 5: this land and prevail in the entire world. 243 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 6: That's the ideology. 244 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 5: Nothing changes against Israel, it's against anyone who is not Muslim, 245 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 5: include Christian, Jews, Yazidis, whoever, you just name it. 246 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 6: So that's what's happened. 247 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: And this ideology has a name. I believe we think 248 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: the best name for it is Sharia. 249 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 6: Would you agree it's a steria. No, it's Islam. 250 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 5: It's Islam, Okay, Islam is not okay, there are there 251 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 5: is Islam. 252 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 6: It's ideology. 253 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 5: It's a political, actually ideology, and it's political Islam. 254 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 6: Now we are. 255 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 5: Talking about Muslim moderate Muslims, which is different than Islam. 256 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 5: They choose to take what is moderate and behave as 257 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 5: a moderate Muslims. But Islam, by itself, it's very clear 258 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 5: what they should do to Christian and Jews. So let's 259 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 5: not deceive ourselves and they. 260 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 1: We're almost out of time, shutty. I just want to 261 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: come back to this point. I call it sharia because 262 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: I think that's clearly political in character. It is a 263 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: political geology to intalitarian and so on. But let me 264 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: ask you this. The government of the United States at 265 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: the moment is still on the side of this algelnic 266 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: character Al Chirah. What should our policy be as you 267 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: see it with respect to Syria and him specifically, Sir I. 268 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 6: See Syria and Libanon, Iraq all this. 269 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 5: Regions, specifically Libanon and Syria as two places where there 270 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 5: are so many ethnic and religious groups in this region. 271 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 5: There are the Christians, the modern night Aramaic population that. 272 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: But just to the question, sir, what should we be 273 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: doing and. 274 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 5: What should be done is exactly what you have in 275 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 5: the United States federal government. You don't have to impose 276 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 5: on those guys, on those groups a central government, but 277 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 5: have a different system to rule this region with the 278 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 5: federal government and federations in Syria and federations in Lebanon 279 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 5: and all. 280 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 6: Are you not in the anti federal government, not central government? 281 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:34,719 Speaker 1: And don't require these groups to disarm as long as 282 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: they are being threatened by that. 283 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 6: Exactly when when you have federal government, they have police. 284 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: For Sundy, I apologize, I have to cut you off. 285 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: We are a hundreds of time. Come back to assume 286 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: with updates. Thank you for the work you do. Thank 287 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 1: you in Israel at the moment, God bless you. Thanks 288 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,959 Speaker 1: to all of you for staying with us for an 289 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 1: important message than our next segment. 290 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 5: Right back. 291 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: We're back, and what a delight to say. We are 292 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: joined by a dear friend and very valued colleague. His 293 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: name is Gordon G. Chang. He is a man to 294 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: be followed as I do. At Gordon g Chang on Twitter, 295 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: on x but he is also a Senior Fellow of 296 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: the Gatestone Institute, a Newsweek columnist. Among other books, he 297 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: is the author of Plan Read, China's Plan to Destroy America. 298 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: We value his visits with us always, but especially at 299 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: a time such as this, when the United States seems 300 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: to be increasingly under President Trump acting in my way 301 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: that are well, shall we say, pushing back on communist China, 302 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: and I wanted to get Gordon's take on this. We 303 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: did a webinar on it last week, Gordon that I 304 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: found fascinating, in which many of us who had come 305 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: to the conclusion that the President was kind of, shall 306 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: we say, if not actually appeasing the Chinese, at least 307 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: cutting them a lot of slack in the interest of 308 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: getting this so called trade truce and the rare earth 309 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,479 Speaker 1: minerals and medicines and someone that we rely on from 310 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: China to continue to flow here. It doesn't seem as 311 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: that's as though that's the program at the moment. However, 312 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: thank god'd be interested in your take on how the 313 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party is responding, Sir. 314 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,719 Speaker 7: We have seen that the Communist Party has engaged in 315 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:54,719 Speaker 7: malicious information warfare against the United States after President Trump 316 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 7: extracted Maduro and his wife from Venezuela. And we're seeing 317 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 7: a lot of more delicious propaganda as we are pressuring Iran. 318 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 7: Because Iran is killing protesters in the thousands. President Trump 319 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 7: has threatened military action. But what we haven't seen, Frank, 320 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 7: is we haven't seen China take practical actions to oppose 321 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 7: the United States. And this shows that China is not 322 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 7: nearly as strong as everyone thought. Go to the beginning 323 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 7: of this month and everyone says, oh, you know, China 324 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 7: is big threat. Well, China is a big threat, but 325 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 7: not because it's strong, but because it is weak. 326 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: And let me just lay this out if I can please. 327 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,479 Speaker 7: I think that the danger of war in East Asia 328 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 7: with China is really high. But it's not high because 329 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 7: China is going with malice a forethought to launch an 330 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 7: invasion against Taiwan or Japan or the Philippines. I think 331 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 7: it's high because Si jumping can blunder into a war 332 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 7: and probably will. You know, we look at for instance, 333 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 7: China is just failure to do anything effective against the 334 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 7: US this month, and it shows you that China is 335 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 7: in disarray. It's military is fighting among themselves. We're seeing 336 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 7: purge after purge. This has gone on now at a 337 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 7: high level for about two and a half years, and 338 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 7: it doesn't seem to be slowing down, which means that 339 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 7: generals and admirals are more concerned about what they're doing 340 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 7: inside of China than opposed to the United States. But 341 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 7: we're also seeing the Chinese people are really unhappy right 342 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 7: now that the economy is perhaps contracting, certainly not growing 343 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 7: at the robust pace that everyone says, and certainly it's 344 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 7: not growing at fast enough to retire the debt that 345 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 7: it must now deal with. So you see China right 346 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 7: now just a country in turmoil, and that means that 347 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,959 Speaker 7: it is not in any position to, for instance, start 348 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 7: hostilities with an invasion of the main iland of Taiwan. 349 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 7: For one other reason that I just haven't mentioned yet 350 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 7: is that Sigimping doesn't trust any general or admiral with 351 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 7: almost complete control of the Chinese military, which is what 352 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 7: would be necessary for a combined AirLand sea operation, which 353 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 7: by the way, China in its thousands of years of 354 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 7: history has never done so even in the best of times. 355 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 7: Sigemping is not going to give some flag officer that power, 356 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 7: making him or her, well actually they're no hers, making 357 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 7: him the most powerful figure in China. But the problem 358 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 7: is that Sigimping is creating provocations in an arc from 359 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 7: South Korea in the north to India in the south, 360 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 7: and one of those that a spiral out of control. 361 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 7: Sigimping can't deal constructively with the international community. He can't 362 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 7: de escalate, which means that war, I think is pretty probable, 363 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 7: but it is not going to start in the way 364 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 7: that we all thought it would. But I do believe 365 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 7: that conflict is something that we've got to be much 366 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 7: more concerned about than we are right now. 367 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: So let me make sure I got this right. Your 368 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: view is that the Chinese have not responded to various 369 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: steps that President Trump has been taking that are clearly 370 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: compounding the kinds of problems that you've just described that 371 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: she is having at home, and because of his weakness 372 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: and the need to perhaps, as tyrants often do, get 373 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: everybody to focus on something else besides their unhappiness with 374 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: the ruler, might plunge their nation into war with the 375 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: United States, among others. And therefore we have to be 376 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: very much on guard for what could be coming, and 377 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: that may take forms other than the kind of attack 378 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: on Taiwan that You're right, they haven't done to date 379 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: in the kinetic sense, but they certainly are rehearsing for it. Gordon, 380 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: I think there's no question about that. Indeed, you know 381 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: your book is about in part the preparations for war. 382 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: But would the kind of attack that you think might 383 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 1: come out of this weakness and you know, desperate bid 384 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: to hold on to power be one that did not 385 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: require the kind of surrender of authority to a general 386 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: or admiral, but nonetheless be very efficacious against us, namely 387 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: using the thousands and thousands and thousands of People's Liberation 388 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 1: Army soldiers that apparently have been inserted into our country 389 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: during the Biden open border period to cause mayhem here. 390 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 7: I think that there will be mayhem here, because we're 391 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 7: not going after the networks of operatives, Asians and soldiers. 392 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 7: But I think that sijin Ping would only give the 393 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 7: ghost signal if he were planning, for instance, a major invasion. 394 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 7: I mean, he will give it if he blunders into war, 395 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 7: of course, because then he'll use every means at his disposal. 396 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 7: But as I said, I just don't see him with 397 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 7: malice of forethought launching an invasion. You know, Frank, it's 398 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 7: not so much that he wants to divert the attention 399 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 7: to the Chinese people. Chinese people right now do not 400 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 7: want war. They do not want war, and they certainly 401 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 7: don't want war against Taiwan, which would be extremely unpopular 402 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,239 Speaker 7: in China right now. But the reason I worry is 403 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 7: because I think Sijmping believes that there's a high degree 404 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 7: of tension that is in his interest to divert not 405 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 7: the Chinese people, but other senior Communist Party figures because 406 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 7: he realizes that if there is a conflict, or is 407 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 7: there his tension, that those figures can't challenge or depose him. 408 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 7: So I think he blunders into war. When he blunders 409 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 7: into war, yes, he will give the go signal to 410 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 7: those operatives on our soil, but that's not part of 411 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 7: an original invasion plan. 412 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: And let me ask you about a related calculation that 413 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: probably is going on four G as he contemplates these 414 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: kinds of options. The new president of South Korea is 415 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: I think, well pretty much a vowed communist and an 416 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: ally of the Chinese Communist Party. Does that mean in 417 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: your judgment that it would be unreliable as an ally 418 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: to the United States to say nothing of you know, 419 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: Taiwan or the Philippines or others in the region that 420 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: we consider part of our team. 421 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think that South Korea would help us 422 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 7: if there were a war over Taiwan, for instance, and 423 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 7: there have been indications that that is indeed the case, 424 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 7: that they would not give permission. That's generally been a 425 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 7: concern even under conservative South Korean presidents, but more so 426 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 7: under E J Mung, who is very China centric, very 427 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 7: North Korea centric. And that's despite having that drum session 428 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 7: with Japanese Prime Minister Takeichi Sinai on Tuesday, which really 429 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 7: was took me by surprise. But nonetheless we heard what 430 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 7: Ejmung said when he was in Beijing this week, and 431 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 7: we've got to be really concerned that, you know, we 432 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 7: will not be able to use our facilities in South 433 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 7: Korea in a general conflict in East Asia. 434 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that would throw a wrench in our 435 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: works for sure. Does it give rise, do you think 436 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: to a further incentive in these circumstances, fraud as they 437 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: are to Tiji to think that he can get away 438 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: with perhaps even an invasion of Taiwan. 439 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 7: Well, it's a factor, of course, but the US will 440 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 7: take our forces out of South Korea if they indeed 441 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 7: were to prevent it. You know, Frank, I don't worry 442 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 7: so much about the Chinese. I do worry about US. So, 443 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 7: for instance, you know, there's a lot of talking the 444 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 7: Pentagon about China invading Taiwan by twenty twenty seven, you know, 445 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 7: the Davidson window and all of that. But you got 446 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 7: to remember, you know, these war games, they tell us 447 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 7: that if there's a war with China, we're going to 448 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 7: lose two carriers. So what did the US Navy do 449 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 7: at the end. 450 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: Of last year. 451 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 7: It actually led out a contract to defuel and deactivate 452 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 7: the Nimits. I mean, you would think that the US 453 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 7: Navy would want a spare carrier tied up at Bremerton 454 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 7: just in case, in the likely case that we lose 455 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 7: one or more carriers in the Pacific. So the US Navy, 456 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 7: they say the right things, but they're clearly planning for 457 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 7: a war in the twenty forties. 458 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: You know, So at best, at best, Gordon, we have 459 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: to leave it at that. I'm afraid, I know you 460 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: know that that's not likely to be the case. Things 461 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: are going to be sorted out one way or the other. 462 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: I fear far sooner than that, and I pray that 463 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: we will be heeding your admonitions and mounting once again 464 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: peace through strength. God bless you, my friend, and work 465 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: you do. Keep it up. Come back to us soon. 466 00:31:47,000 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: We'll be right back, folks with more stay tuned. Welcome back, 467 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: and a very special welcome to a dear friend and 468 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: very esteemed contributor to the well the cause of freedom 469 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: in various capacities, notably as the editor of a very 470 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: important online resource, Richard Vigory's Conservative HQ. You can find 471 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: it at Conservative hq dot org. His name is George Rasley. 472 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: He has served our country in a variety of capacities 473 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: in the legislative branch federal government, as well as on 474 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: the executive branch in the office of the Vice President 475 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: of the United States. He is, among other things, though 476 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: in addition to being our duty genius, I'm fund of 477 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: pointing out he's a Mensa Society members, so don't take 478 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: my word for it. He is also a man who 479 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: has survived and lived to tell the tale of some 480 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: three hundred political campaigns and we are seeking his help 481 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: with a very important one. It's a policy campaign really 482 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: at the moment, but it will be on the ballot 483 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: in Texas in the next month March third, to be precise. 484 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: The Republican primary ballot will have Proposition ten on it, 485 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: which says Texas should prohibit sharia law, and we want 486 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: to talk with George about that. But before we do, George, 487 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: first of all, a welcome to you. We're so glad 488 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: to have you with us as always. 489 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 8: Thanks for having me, Frank, it's always a pleasure to 490 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 8: be here with you. 491 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: Thank you. And second of all, I wanted to just 492 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: say you have also been very actively involved. I think, 493 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: in fact, you've just written a piece at Conservative HQ 494 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: about the president's decision to designate some foreign chapters of 495 00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: the Muslim Brotherhood, but for the moment not well they 496 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: call the Mother Movement or it's chapters here and elsewhere 497 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 1: around the world. Talk to me a little bit about that, 498 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: and then we'll get to the problem of Texas specifically. 499 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 8: Wells. As you know, and as we've talked about on 500 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 8: previous shows, the after the National guardsman was shot in Washington, 501 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 8: d C. The President initiated a process to review and 502 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 8: potentially ban some Muslim terrorist organizations noted in their fronts, 503 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 8: notably the Muslim Brotherhood and Care And this process took 504 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 8: place basically between Thanksgiving and Christmas, and subsequent to that. Yesterday, 505 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 8: one of the cabinet makers charged with doing the review, 506 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 8: Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, announced the designation of several 507 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 8: quote chapters end of quote in foreign countries Lebanon, Jordan, 508 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,879 Speaker 8: UH and a third one which I can't call up right, Yes, 509 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 8: I think it was, Yeah, but he didn't designate the 510 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,879 Speaker 8: US chapters. And we have to recognize that these so 511 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 8: called chapters are you know, it's not like UH chapters 512 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 8: of the you know, Knights of Columbus or your college fraternity. 513 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 8: These are decentralized, diffuse UH terrorist cells. UH. They operate 514 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:53,320 Speaker 8: both UH to encourage violent jihad attacks in this country 515 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 8: and also UH subversion, And they're very adept at switching 516 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 8: back and forth between these two strategies. Whichever serves their 517 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 8: immediate interests is what they pursue. So right now in 518 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 8: the United States, they're mostly concentrated on subversion. That's not 519 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 8: to say that some of their chapter members or initiates 520 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,839 Speaker 8: aren't engaged or aren't prepared to engage in violence. It's 521 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,760 Speaker 8: just that that's not their primary focus right now. 522 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 1: They certainly don't shew it as. 523 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 8: No no, no no, and use the terms right now advisedly, 524 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 8: because that could switch tomorrow. 525 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: And so that is a literal point, George. You're not 526 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 1: just throwing that out. That could happen literally at any time. 527 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: And that's again what makes so troubling this sort of 528 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: limited action to date is I fear we're on borrowed 529 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: time in terms of them going violent. And the more so, George, 530 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: as you know, because when they see the enemy, which 531 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: would be us, of course, exhibiting a kind of weakness 532 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:17,359 Speaker 1: or lack of resolve at least that only you know 533 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: feeds into a duc tritle direction under Sharia to redouble 534 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 1: the effort, as they say, to make them feel subdued. 535 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 8: Yeah, you're absolutely right, Frank. And the thing that's most 536 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:37,280 Speaker 8: concerning about this is that they haven't been bashful about 537 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 8: saying that. And so you have the explanatory memorandum and 538 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 8: you have their Philadelphia conference in which you know, the progression, 539 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:56,359 Speaker 8: shall we say, from subversion to acting, ge Hodd was 540 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 8: you know outlined, endorsed, and made part of their program. 541 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 8: So the fact that we haven't officially designated them in 542 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 8: their various front groups is very troubling. And I propose 543 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 8: that the real problem we have here is the lobbying 544 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 8: of Gutter Turkey longstanding interests within the deep state, you know, 545 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:30,839 Speaker 8: the CIA and other intelligence apparatus that we have who 546 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,879 Speaker 8: have waived the President off of this. And combine that 547 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 8: with the statements from Gutter and Turkey about not attacking 548 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 8: Iran and supporting the freedom movement there, and you have 549 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 8: a synergy in which the White House, I believe, is, 550 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 8: if not paralyzed, it certainly kind of stuck in the 551 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 8: mud on some of these issues because of all the 552 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,320 Speaker 8: input that they're getting from, you know, particularly Gutter and Turkey. 553 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,760 Speaker 1: Boy, I couldn't agree with you more about that, George. 554 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: And it's not entirely surprising that the Kataris would not 555 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:18,760 Speaker 1: want the United States military to take down a regime 556 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: that they have long sponsored, even though it's a sit 557 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,759 Speaker 1: Jihati operation as opposed to the Sunni one of which 558 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,439 Speaker 1: they've been principally a part. They're good with any kind 559 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 1: of Jihati, uh, you know, capabilities brought against Western civilization 560 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 1: and hence their efforts make them. It seems to me 561 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,880 Speaker 1: not a major non NATO ally, but in fact a 562 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: real liability. George, we have to take a break. We'll 563 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: be right back with more. George. I think I'm going 564 00:39:52,360 --> 00:40:15,279 Speaker 1: to ask your indulgence. It's a little bit stupid. Welcome back. 565 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 1: We are talking with George Rasley, and I wanted to 566 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 1: just give you a few thoughts of my own on 567 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: this question of the Brotherhood's designation. Yesterday, the US government 568 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 1: formally designated three foreign chapters of the Muslim Brotherhood as 569 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,319 Speaker 1: terrorist organization. Secretary of State Marco Rubio described them as 570 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 1: the opening actions of an ongoing, sustained effort to thwart 571 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:44,239 Speaker 1: Muslim Brotherhood chapters violence and destabilization wherever it occurs. For 572 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,920 Speaker 1: the moment, though, other chapters and the Brotherhood's Mother Movement 573 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 1: remain free to pursue their stated goal of waging a 574 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: grand jihad to destroy Western civilization from within. Unfortunately, every 575 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 1: jihadist on the planet, one of their and their allies 576 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:06,959 Speaker 1: still undesignated support networks, will perceive that status as proof 577 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 1: they will succeed, and, according to Islam's toxic Sharia doctrine. 578 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 1: When Jihada sense weakness in their enemies, they must redouble 579 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: efforts to make them feel subdued. That's a formula for 580 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:24,439 Speaker 1: much more and terrifying violence in America. We must ban 581 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 1: the Muslim Brotherhood. Now, those are my thoughts. For more 582 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,320 Speaker 1: of them, follow me x at Frank Affney and also 583 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: at Usfuture dot org, the website of the Institute for 584 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: the American Future, which proud to be the president of 585 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,759 Speaker 1: it makes this program possible. Please consider donating at Usfuture 586 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 1: dot org. George Rasley, thank you for bearing with me. 587 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 1: I wanted to just tie up sort of that conversation 588 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 1: with you before pivoting to another. And I know you're 589 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 1: following these things closely, George. The Chinese Communist Party is, 590 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 1: of course an other very dangerous adversary in addition to 591 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 1: the jihadists the Sharia supremacists. They have been nonetheless allowed 592 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 1: to buy up land in places around the United States, 593 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 1: and The Daily Caller has been doing some splendid investigative 594 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,279 Speaker 1: reporting the bet A fellow by the name of Eugene 595 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:28,799 Speaker 1: g Ji, who has been associated with the Chinese Communist 596 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 1: Party's United Front work department and that is an organization 597 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:38,839 Speaker 1: that is responsible for trying to subvert us here as 598 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: well as use captured elites to assist them in doing 599 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,960 Speaker 1: just that. According to the Daily Caller, there are two 600 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 1: very large and apparently not very well maintained golf courses 601 00:42:56,040 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 1: surrounding basically one of our most important military installations. It's 602 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: Barksdale Air Force Base, which has on it the Global 603 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 1: Strike Command that is responsible for the operations of our 604 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,920 Speaker 1: nuclear deterrent. Two of the are legs of our nuclear deterrent, 605 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,320 Speaker 1: the land based ICBMs are in a continental ballistic missiles 606 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 1: and the bomber Force. I ask you, sir, what could 607 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:30,000 Speaker 1: possibly go wrong with such an arrangement and what should 608 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 1: we be doing about it? 609 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:35,719 Speaker 8: George, Well, Frank, I mean, this is a pattern that's 610 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:40,280 Speaker 8: been repeated all over the country. And it's worth noting 611 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 8: that the Communist Chinese, or I prefer to call them 612 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:51,200 Speaker 8: the Red Chinese because they are a revolutionary state, knows 613 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,200 Speaker 8: much more about us than we know about them. And 614 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,440 Speaker 8: for example, Barksdale is where one of the places where 615 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:06,319 Speaker 8: the presidential aircraft flew on nine to eleven, and this 616 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:13,080 Speaker 8: pattern is seen throughout the country on a very strategic 617 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:19,560 Speaker 8: level by the Chinese in Florida, they have attempted to 618 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:26,040 Speaker 8: surround our Space Force Command and cape, you know, the 619 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:33,680 Speaker 8: Kennedy Space Center with similar you know, holdings of property, 620 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:40,600 Speaker 8: and the state passed a law prohibiting that. Now that's 621 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,279 Speaker 8: working its way through the courts. So far, it's been 622 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:49,480 Speaker 8: successful in the state legislation. 623 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,399 Speaker 1: I mean, it is absurd that we have to rely 624 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:56,359 Speaker 1: on the courts to Well, that's the thing. National security 625 00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:01,200 Speaker 1: requirements like not letting the enemy have cheap and easy 626 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 1: shots at some of these extraordinarily sensitive facilities and what 627 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 1: goes on on them right. 628 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,919 Speaker 8: Well, that this is a great example of how they 629 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,719 Speaker 8: are enemies, are experts at using our system against us, 630 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,879 Speaker 8: and so one would think that there would be some 631 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:26,560 Speaker 8: kind of you know, advanced you know, sort of pre purchased, 632 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:33,319 Speaker 8: pre purchase review of these kind of property transactions, but 633 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,200 Speaker 8: intre istheist process. 634 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,520 Speaker 1: The Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States is 635 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,279 Speaker 1: I think supposed to be doing that sort of thing. 636 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,240 Speaker 8: Now, they should be focused on these kind of things, 637 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:47,880 Speaker 8: but their focus tends to be on technology and manufacturing 638 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:54,520 Speaker 8: stuff like that. And so the obvious idea of a 639 00:45:54,680 --> 00:46:01,759 Speaker 8: Chinese intelligence operator owning huge swathes of property around Barksdale 640 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:06,560 Speaker 8: Air Force Base somehow doesn't get up the food chain 641 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:12,440 Speaker 8: to a you know, prior restraint type of situation, and 642 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,520 Speaker 8: so that's why it ends up in the courts. 643 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,879 Speaker 1: You know, I have to say, George, I'm going back 644 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:22,440 Speaker 1: to my decades ago now service in the US Defense 645 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:29,400 Speaker 1: Department Pentagon. This organization, SIPHIUS as it's known, used to 646 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:34,000 Speaker 1: drive me to distraction, because you know how these interagency 647 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,600 Speaker 1: operations work, George. It was chaired by the Treasury Department. 648 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,880 Speaker 1: It is shared by the Treasury Department, and the Treasury 649 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,600 Speaker 1: Department basically never saw a foreign investment they didn't like, 650 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,080 Speaker 1: because that's kind of their thing is to bring foreign 651 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,399 Speaker 1: investment to the United States. And consequently you had these 652 00:46:52,440 --> 00:47:01,360 Speaker 1: guys routinely allowing very dubious, if not actually dangerous investing 653 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,120 Speaker 1: to take place inside our country. And I know in 654 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,120 Speaker 1: a lot of states around the country, George, as you 655 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,799 Speaker 1: do that efforts are being made to try to make 656 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,400 Speaker 1: sure that the Chinese can't own land, especially in proximity 657 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,520 Speaker 1: to sensitive assets of our government, military intelligence, space, what 658 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 1: have you. And yet that's not being done as a 659 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:31,640 Speaker 1: federal government initiative, as it obviously should be and should 660 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,000 Speaker 1: have been long ago. George, we have to take a 661 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,680 Speaker 1: short break. We're going to come back in a moment 662 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:42,840 Speaker 1: with more on what is also taking place in terms 663 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:47,160 Speaker 1: of the national interests of the United States with respect 664 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,640 Speaker 1: to China. Stay tuned, I'll be right back.