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Speaker 1: and welcome to Bend, the podcast that loves two stroke

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Speaker 1: Joe Samli, I'm Miles Nulty, and I'm a dent. On

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Speaker 1: board with this, I would be I realized neither of

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Speaker 1: It is. It is, and and thank you for bringing

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Speaker 1: that up because it lets me say some geeky shit

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Speaker 1: for a master race of humans. By breeding out traits

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Speaker 1: he incorrectly believed to be associated with blood, poverty, criminality, illiteracy,

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Speaker 1: feeble mindedness, promiscuity, and more. This grossly misguided concept gained

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Speaker 1: traction in some circles of biological study and was one

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Speaker 1: of the primary justifications for the Holocaust, as well as

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Speaker 1: lots of other terrible atrocities. Point being, Jordan's association with

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Speaker 1: this movement tarnished some of his shine in Miller's eyes.

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Speaker 1: Worst of all, Jordan's suffered no repercussions for his vociferous

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Speaker 1: championing of racist pseudoscience during his lifetime. He got off

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Speaker 1: scot free. The legacy of his life's work cataloging so

435
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Speaker 1: many of the world's fishes, however, was not so lucky.

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Speaker 1: I'll let Miller take it from here on out. What

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Speaker 1: David Starr Jordan's set in motion by practicing the art

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Speaker 1: of taxonomy, by following Darwin's advice to sort creatures by

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Speaker 1: evolutionary closeness, led to a fateful discovery in the es.

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Speaker 1: Taxonomists realized that fish, as a legitimate category of creature

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Speaker 1: do not exist. Birds exist, mammals exist, amphibians exist, but

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Speaker 1: fish in particular do not exist down in the water.

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Speaker 1: Beneath their costumes of scales exist all kinds of creatures.

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Speaker 1: There are Sarcopterygii, the lungfish and the sealy cants are

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Speaker 1: evolutionary cousins in a sense mermaids with lungs on top,

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Speaker 1: tails on low, then across some huge evolutionary divide, or

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Speaker 1: the actino terr g I, salmon, bass, trout, eels, gar

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Speaker 1: Though they appear like twins of the sarcoptery g I,

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Speaker 1: slimy and scaly and fishy as can be, on the inside,

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Speaker 1: they are a world apart. Then you've got the sharks

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Speaker 1: and rays, the conjrict these as they are called, a

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Speaker 1: puzzling group in their smooth skin and voluptuous bodies. I

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Speaker 1: always thought I recognized a closeness to mammals, but it

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Speaker 1: turns out there even further from us than the scaly

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Speaker 1: trout and eels, much older evolutionarily, the category fish hides

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Speaker 1: all of this, hides nuance, discounts intelligence, It Jerrymander's close

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Speaker 1: cousins away from us, creating a false sense of separation.

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Speaker 1: To preserve our spot at the top of an imaginary ladder, Dude,

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Speaker 1: quit with my head and everybody else's head. If fish

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Speaker 1: don't exist, then like, what the hell have I been

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Speaker 1: out catching lately? If there are no fish, how can

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Speaker 1: there be fishing? Were you listening, Joe? Did you listen

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Speaker 1: to anything that I just said? Yes? Mostly yes? There.

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Speaker 1: You're right. There are creatures that live in water and

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Speaker 1: we catch them and call them fish. I'm not no

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Speaker 1: one in fact is arguing the physical existence of bass

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Speaker 1: or stripers, But the concept of fish, the way we

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Speaker 1: look at fish as one singular and related type of life,

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Speaker 1: is not supported by scientific evidence. It's I get it.

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Speaker 1: It's a mind bender, and it poses some semantic problems

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Speaker 1: for the term fishing, but that's not really the point.

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Speaker 1: The point is that book changed the way that I

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Speaker 1: think about fish, and and also eugenics. Yeah, I don't know, man,

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Speaker 1: I I prefer to keep you genics out of my fishing.

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Speaker 1: But hopefully one of us found a story this week

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Speaker 1: that can change the way our listeners think about fish,

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Speaker 1: which means it's time for fish news. Fish news that

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Speaker 1: escalated quickly. Hey, so before we dive headlong into those

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Speaker 1: current events, here's an important message in case you missed

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Speaker 1: it in my social media or mediator social media this week.

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Speaker 1: The final episode of season one of B Side Fishing

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Speaker 1: drop this week, and it's sort of a I'll call

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Speaker 1: it like a rap party bonus. We're giving one lucky

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Speaker 1: winner every single thirteen fishing rod and reel that you

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Speaker 1: saw me use in season one of B Side. That

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Speaker 1: is correct, yes, but I want to clear I I

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Speaker 1: gotta clear one point up there. It's don't think Joe's

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Speaker 1: gonna just jam like of the actual beat up that

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Speaker 1: he's destroyed and mail it to your house. Good point.

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Speaker 1: We're we're kind of little rent on the show, but

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Speaker 1: we're not that little Rent. No, you're actually gonna be

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Speaker 1: getting like brand new, never used versions of all the

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Speaker 1: rods and reels that were featured on camera. But it's

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Speaker 1: new stuff, not instroid stuff. Indeed, indeed and all total. Right,

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Speaker 1: that's about eleven smackers clams worth of tackle in one shot.

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Speaker 1: Now in that mix will be their heaviest Omen green

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Speaker 1: and prototype TX saltwater spinning rod and reel, which I

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Speaker 1: used to smash those mahi's in episode one. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: get an Omen black spinning rod and a smaller Prototype X.

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Speaker 1: I use those to chase pickerel and a Krankenstein bait

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Speaker 1: caster match with a big old concept a three low

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Speaker 1: profile reel. Think it's getting here. I think it's kronken Stein,

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Speaker 1: Crone or Ramstein. Yeah, uh, that's that One's that's the one.

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Speaker 1: The kronken Stein was what you used in the final

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Speaker 1: episode to hammer on the Delicious Dog, right, Yes, it was,

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Speaker 1: and it was. It was actually a really perfect outfit

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Speaker 1: for for light tackle talking because I was using jags

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Speaker 1: and it it paired very well with talk jigs. However,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out on a limb and say, whoever

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Speaker 1: wins that strong chance they're not going to be using

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Speaker 1: it for talk just maybe you never know, but I

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Speaker 1: doubt it. And that's okay because really what that outfit

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Speaker 1: is is is killer for is swim baiting. Right, It's

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Speaker 1: a great swim bait rod and a heavy crank baiting outfit,

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Speaker 1: great for bass. I plan to use mine for snakehead frogging,

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Speaker 1: and you could probably hurt you know, some pike or

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Speaker 1: salmon with it too. It's it's a really good combo.

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Speaker 1: I I used it for for pike, actually for swim

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Speaker 1: baits and crank baits for pike, so I I can

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Speaker 1: vouch for that. The question now, of course, is how

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Speaker 1: do you win this glorious package of rods? And really

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Speaker 1: it's good question. Head on over to the meat eater

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Speaker 1: you only have un till mail eleventh. That's four time

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Speaker 1: runs out. Best of luck. I hope you win. And

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Speaker 1: and that's I'm talking about the royal you, the editorial you.

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Speaker 1: I just I just want a Bent listener to win.

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Speaker 1: But that's that's what I want. But in the meantime,

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Speaker 1: let's move on. Let's see who wins Fish News. Yes,

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Speaker 1: let's and remember this is a fierce competition. Miles and

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Speaker 1: I do not know which stories the other guy is

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Speaker 1: bringing to the table. At the end, our audio engineer

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Speaker 1: Phil will pick a winner. Assuming he's not out fly

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Speaker 1: fishing for basking sharks in Guam. I know he takes

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Speaker 1: one week a year off to do that. Anyway, it

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Speaker 1: is your leadoff, my friend, get us roll in here,

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Speaker 1: all right. I'm gonna start with a story that's still developing,

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Speaker 1: but we have covered because it could impact one of

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Speaker 1: the most popular fisheries in North America. It appears that

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Speaker 1: the walleye population and Lake of the Woods may be

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Speaker 1: in trouble. Earlier this week, the Canadian Broadcasting Company published

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Speaker 1: an article reporting that the Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources

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Speaker 1: and Forestry is concerned about the number of walleye they're

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Speaker 1: finding in spring netting and creel surveys on on the

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Speaker 1: Big l The potential bombshell in this, however, is m

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Speaker 1: n RF's claim that recreational harvest on Lake of the

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Speaker 1: Woods is above the level of sustainability. The ministry does

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Speaker 1: note the commercial and subsistence harvests are also allowed on

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Speaker 1: the lake. According to the CBC, m n RF is

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Speaker 1: currently working with the Lake of the Woods Fisheries Advisory

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Speaker 1: Council to develop a new recreational walleye management plan. The

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Speaker 1: details of that plan have not been released, but could

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Speaker 1: include altering bag and slot limits and changing the walleye season.

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Speaker 1: The group is hoping to have new regulations in effect

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Speaker 1: for January one next year. So that's what I found

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Speaker 1: reported on the CBC, which is a source that I

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Speaker 1: know and can kind of vouch for, But and an

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Speaker 1: article in the local Ontario newspaper, The Canora Miner goes

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Speaker 1: a little further. According to the Minor, Lake of the

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Speaker 1: Woods is the most at risk inland fishery in Ontario,

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Speaker 1: both in terms of likelihood of collapse and the resulting

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Speaker 1: socioeconomic impact if the fishery does collapse. The Minor quotes

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Speaker 1: m n RF as saying that the walleye population is

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Speaker 1: approximately half of what is needed to sustainably support current

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Speaker 1: levels of harvest, and that's a huge fish deficit. If

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Speaker 1: you're familiar with Lake of the Woods, you you get

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Speaker 1: why this is a big deal, right. Lake of the

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Speaker 1: Woods is one of the premier walleye fishing lakes in

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Speaker 1: the world, and it's a big uh and and people

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Speaker 1: who the Upper Midwest are kind of insane when it

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Speaker 1: comes to walleye. Lake of the Woods is super unique.

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Speaker 1: It it straddles the US Canada border and a provincial

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Speaker 1: border in Canada, so it's jointly managed by fisheries departments

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota, Manitoba and Ontario. Manning any world class and

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Speaker 1: extremely popular recreational harvest fishery is complicated and difficult, but

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Speaker 1: trying to juggle that management between three different agencies makes

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Speaker 1: a task even more complex. So far, Ontario is the

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Speaker 1: only one of the three to publicly address this issue,

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Speaker 1: despite the fact that they're all, you know, theoretically dealing

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Speaker 1: with the same population of fish. In fact, Minnesota's dn

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Speaker 1: R reports that the walleye population is just slightly below

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Speaker 1: average and and that's an average day back. I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna I'm just gonna do it quick foreshadowing. We did

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Speaker 1: not crossover on stories, but we came close. And my

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Speaker 1: story it's we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna talk some

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Speaker 1: walleyes today. Go on, this is so much wallet today,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's the it's the walleye time of year.

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Speaker 1: Uh So, the Minnesota dna R site high harvest levels

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Speaker 1: the past two years and weak recruitment from is factors

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Speaker 1: for slightly lower levels of harvestable size walleye, but nothing

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Speaker 1: reported by the Minnesota side comes close to the dire

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Speaker 1: predictions from their counterparts on the northern border of the lake.

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Speaker 1: This is all concerning from a fishery perspective, just for

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Speaker 1: those of us who care about fish, but the real

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00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: challenge here will be the economic variables. Walleye fishing on

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Speaker 1: Lake of the Woods is like it's it's hard to

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Speaker 1: overstate how popular it is and ice fishing in particular

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Speaker 1: is like it's one of the places to go, and

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Speaker 1: it gets more popular every year. On the Minnesota side alone,

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Speaker 1: recreational anglers harvested over a half million pounds of walleye

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Speaker 1: in in about three and a half million hours of fishing,

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Speaker 1: though the numbers for out yet they're predicted to be

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Speaker 1: significantly higher as more and more people got out fishing

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Speaker 1: last year for the COVID thing. Though I couldn't find

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Speaker 1: comprehensive figures for the economic value of of Lake of

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Speaker 1: the Woods fishing, Ontario estimates that the province brings in

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Speaker 1: a hundred and twelve million dollars from anglers, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's safe to assume that Minnesota's numbers are comparable.

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Speaker 1: Changes in management could help maintain that wallet popular, but

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Speaker 1: would most certainly hurt fishing related businesses, which, at least

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Speaker 1: on the Canadian side, have already taken a major hit

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Speaker 1: from the travel restrictions. Things get even more sticky if

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Speaker 1: regulations get tighter in Canadian waters, but not on the U.

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Speaker 1: S side, where anglers are currently allowed four walleye per day. Now,

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Speaker 1: Minnesota has historically shown a willingness to tighten restrictions when

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Speaker 1: walleye population struggle. The famed Malax, once the premier walleye

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Speaker 1: harvest fishery in the state, now has strict regulations and

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Speaker 1: harvest caps, allowing anglers just one fish per day in

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Speaker 1: a very narrow slot, and they close down all walleye

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Speaker 1: harvest once a predetermined threshold is reached, which sometimes happens

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Speaker 1: even before open water fishing begins. Though Minnesota DNR has

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Speaker 1: imposed these kinds of draconian restrictions in the past, they

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Speaker 1: might be wary of doing it again. Aggressive management on

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Speaker 1: Malas has maintained the trophy walleye fishery, but the limited

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Speaker 1: ability to keep fish drove many walleye anglers elsewhere and

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Speaker 1: has harmed local businesses, And the result of that has

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Speaker 1: been a whole lot of anger and frustration aimed at

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Speaker 1: the DNR. So this is one of those stories we're

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Speaker 1: gonna keep an eye on. It's it's almost impossible to

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Speaker 1: overstate Minnesotan's passion for catching and eating wallet. I cannot

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Speaker 1: express what a big deal that is. And to be fair,

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Speaker 1: it's not just Minnesota, but like all over the Upper Midwest,

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00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: in parts of Canada, it's like a religion out there.

635
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: I personally don't get it. I don't get I'll say

636
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: it again, I don't understand the wallab session while I

637
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: while I'm fishing, usually it's usually trolling or jigging. Not always,

638
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: but usually trolling or jigging, And I consider those to

639
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: be some of the most boring ways that you can fish. Uh,

640
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: while I like, they don't bite that well there, it's

641
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: usually like a timid bite. And they don't fight. They

642
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 1: don't fight, they don't. I would fish smallmouth over Wiley

643
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: every single thousand, million d percent every time. And finally,

644
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say one more thing here, and this is

645
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: what's gonna get me some hate mail. While I are

646
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: not as good to eat as people make them, not

647
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: to be said that the pike taste just as good

648
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: as while I and perch er better. There, I said it,

649
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: That's what I think. But I'm alone in this. I'm

650
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: in a small minority, and I get how important these

651
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 1: fish are. Okay, well, so I'm gonna we're gonna reserve

652
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: banter because I Am not kidding you. Man, Like, for

653
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: a second I thought we crossed over, but we didn't.

654
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: But my first story is gonna go it's just hand

655
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: in glove with this, like it's almost like a continuation

656
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: of this. UM and I just kicked back and and

657
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: remind everybody. We recently had j Siemens on the show

658
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: for Smooth Moves, and uh, you know, Jay lives in Ontario,

659
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 1: and during that conversation we also touched on our lack

660
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: of ability right now as US residents to visit Canada

661
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: to go fish due to covid um. A matter of fact,

662
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: the province of Ontario where Jay lives, just recently got

663
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: thrown into a very very strict lockdown because it seems

664
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: the covids are flaring like a pack of hemorrhoids up there.

665
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: And not only are Americans still not allowed to visit,

666
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: you can't even cross province borders within Canada right now.

667
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: So if you live in Quebec, you can't go to Ontario. UM.

668
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: And we've we've certainly touched on how these restrictions are

669
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: hurting Canadian fishing operations, but what I've never considered was

670
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: the impact this border closure could have on US fisheries,

671
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: not until I found this story on the website of

672
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 1: Minnesota's Twin Cities Pioneer Press. Now you just talked about

673
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: Lake of the Woods. It's neighbor like they're practically touching.

674
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: Is Lake Vermillion? Okay, way way up at the Tippity

675
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: top of Minnesota, real close to the border. Um And

676
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 1: according to this story, all the folks, and there are

677
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: lots and lots of them that made an annual trek

678
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 1: to Canada to fish, are trying to maintain that Northwoods

679
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: experience despite those border closures and inability to visit their

680
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: you know, favorite Canadian lodge. So what's the next best thing?

681
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: Fishing and staying at US lakes that are as far

682
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: north and close to the border as possible. Right, So,

683
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: the lodges and motels and such around Lake for Million

684
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: have seen such an uptick and visitors since the pandemics

685
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: started that people in the community are genuinely concerned that

686
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 1: that lake is going to get over fished in particularly

687
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: the wall Eyes, because like we just talked about, that

688
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: tends to be the draw. That's what people hop the

689
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: border for fill those coolers, right, But with the border

690
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: closed now, the pressure is not being evenly distributed throughout

691
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: all these different lakes people will travel to. And keep

692
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: in mind this this is just about Vermillion. You just

693
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: talked about Lake of the Woods. I'm sure this is

694
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: happening in other lakes across the country. So the current

695
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 1: walleye limit at Vermilion is four walleyes under twenty inches

696
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: and one over twenty six inches per day. Those are

697
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: the state rags and it doesn't appear that Minnesota's Department

698
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: of Natural Resources is going to change that. And I

699
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: have a better perspective on that now because you mentioned

700
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: that they were with Malax. They were sort of like, oh, man,

701
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: maybe we shouldn't have done that, Like like there's some hesitancy.

702
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a that's a whole we could do

703
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: a whole fish news on that. Man, it's exactly a

704
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: deep dark tale. But there are some piste off people

705
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: right right. It's it's very twisted. But but right now

706
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: um D n R is not not looking to change that.

707
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 1: But the Vermilion Lake Association is stepping up to thwart

708
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: possible long term impacts, and they've created a coalition of

709
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 1: fishing guides, resort owners, local businesses, and even the local

710
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: le Jibway tribe to ask anglers to keep only two

711
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: walleyes per day instead of the legal limit of four. Now,

712
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: this is voluntary of course, right, Um, they're they're trying

713
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: to convince englers to keep only two walleyes between twelve

714
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: and eighteen inches, no trophies, five crop eas instead of

715
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: legal ten, and also not to keep any bass or

716
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: muskies at all. And the Lake Association has been passing

717
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: out hundreds of laminated cards all over the area hoping

718
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: it will get anglers to adopt these voluntary bag limits. Now, again,

719
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: tying back to your story, man, this could be a

720
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: hard road for multiple reasons, one being that the high

721
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,479
Speaker 1: walleye bag limits have been touted for years by these

722
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: resorts and businesses. People want to go there because they

723
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: can keep a lot of walleyes, so this was a

724
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: huge selling point, and it's it's it's not easy to

725
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: change minds. But again, to go back to Minnesota d

726
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: n R, Right, they're not really fully on the side

727
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: of this coalition. And here's a quote from the story.

728
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: Et Everts Tower, Area Fisheries supervisor for the Minnesota d

729
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: n R said the agency supports the effort to release

730
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: more fish, but she said the lake's walleye population is

731
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 1: not in any immediate danger even with more anglers catching

732
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: more fish. Test netting in recent years shows the lake's

733
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: walleye population to be robust, She noted. She says, yes,

734
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: we're seeing more pressure on Lake Familion, but the walleye

735
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: fish remains very healthy. We believe it could sustain a

736
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: higher harvest for a few years without any issues. But

737
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: we're never going to disagree with someone releasing a fish

738
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: if they want. So. Again, you're saying Ontario looking at

739
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: Lake in the Woods is like who whoa, whoa whoa, whoa,

740
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: whoa whoa big problem here. It's Minnesota going, I don't

741
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: really problem. So they're saying the same thing on Vermillion,

742
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: which is like the next door neighbor of Lake of

743
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: the Woods, right, So, I mean it's a great experiment

744
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: in terms of self regulation. Um, you know, and the

745
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: way I see it, I'm sure you too cutting back

746
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: a bit until things on the COVID front and the

747
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: visitors normalize even more. It's not gonna hurt certainly can't

748
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: hurt anything. But I mean, I hate to say it.

749
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't put that much faith in tourist anglers.

750
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: I just don't. I see this here with strypers, you know,

751
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: like these guys complain we need to protect him, we

752
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: need to protect him, but then they take their boat's

753
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: limit because it's like, well this is my one trippy year, Like, yeah,

754
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: we should protect these but like I'm just coming out

755
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: twice a year, like I'm not. I'm keeping it's it's

756
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: it's the same thing as that. It's like, well, no, no,

757
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta come up with good management solutions,

758
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: but not not near me, so I don't don't make

759
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: it effect me and my experience exactly exactly, you know. So, um,

760
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm glad you did that story because I meant listening

761
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: to that, it's like, man, there's a lot of similarities,

762
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: a lot of interesting connections here going on between these two.

763
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 1: You've got one that they're saying, you know, whistle blowing,

764
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: saying the wal Eyes are like really really down, and

765
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: then you've got concerned citizens saying we don't want our

766
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: Walleyes to be down in d n R. Going no,

767
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: no, no no, they're fine. You could totally whack them for

768
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: a few more years, it won't matter. I'm gonna I'm

769
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: gonna tell a little story, a quick story here that

770
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: maybe we'll it won't solve this problem, but but just

771
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: something for people to chew on to follow up on

772
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: my claim about the palatability of Wales. So when we

773
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: were filming uh last season of DOS Boat, we went

774
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: up to Red Lake, which is another very famous Minnesota

775
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: walleye fishery, and we targeted eater size meaning smaller sized

776
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: UH freshwater drum and all the local walley angers were like,

777
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: those things are gross. They're slimy bastards. That's where we

778
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: got the title for that episode, slimy bastards, because literally

779
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: that's what they call them. So this didn't make the

780
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: episode because we just did it kind of on our own.

781
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: But we had our our our resident culinary expert, Daniel Pruett,

782
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: fry up a chunk of walleye, a chunk of croppy,

783
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: and a chunk of freshwater, jump seasoned and cooked exactly

784
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: the same. And I did a blind taste test with

785
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: three local hardcore walleye guys who were convinced they hated drum.

786
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: They all in a blind taste test drum is their

787
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: favorite of the three croppy second, I swear to God

788
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: that happened, and then they all assume that their favorite

789
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 1: was the walleye. Of course they did, so I'm I'm

790
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: saying this is a small again, small sample, not a

791
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: lot of evidence, but there is I have some evidence

792
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: to suggest that the love for Walleye is as much

793
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: cultural and nostalgic as it is actual. Yeah, fair, fair,

794
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: So there you go a lot a lot of walleye

795
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: talk this week. I'm gonna hit some wallete here again,

796
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: bringing on, We're gonna, we're gonna talk wise, that's not

797
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: all I'm gonna talking about. I don't know what's going on.

798
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 1: Maybe it's like we've been talking about this combination more

799
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: people getting out fishing and and the fact that, unlike

800
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: what we were saying, some some fisheries are in really

801
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: good shape right now. But there are a lot of

802
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: state records getting broken this spring, and like so many

803
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: that I just I really took notes. So I'm gonna

804
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: do a quick big fish rundown because records records montage, Yeah,

805
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: records montage, because you know there are there are a

806
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: lot of them, and who doesn't want to talk about

807
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: big fish. So first again, sticking with walleye, North Dakota

808
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: has a new state record, and I'm gonna butcher some

809
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: words in this one, so just everybody deal with it.

810
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: Jared Shipkowski, he's not Polish, landed a thirty three in

811
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:33,439
Speaker 1: sixteen pounds landed the thirty three in sixteen pounds six

812
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: ounce walleye trolling crank bits on a Missouri River reservoir

813
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: called Lake Owahie. I think it's a hell of a fish.

814
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: But Shipkowski didn't break some long standing record because the

815
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: previous record got set just three years ago. In fact,

816
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: the Missouri river system, unlike Lake of the Woods, seems

817
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: to be producing an incredibly healthy walleye population these days.

818
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: Before the state high mark for while I had stood

819
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: since nineteen fifty nine, But in the past four years

820
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 1: at least six fish over fifteen pounds have been caught.

821
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 1: So the state went sixty years without seeing a fifteen

822
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: pounder and now they're coming at least one every single year,

823
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: and that to me is a sign of of super

824
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: successful management. So, uh, if you completely disagree with me

825
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: and and you love while, I maybe go to North

826
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: Dakota instead of Lake of the Woods. Just thought, next,

827
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna cross one border to the west

828
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: into my home state of Montana and Montesa, not really

829
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: known for large mouth bass. I saw this, I was thinking, man,

830
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: they have them there. Uh, we're more of a cold

831
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 1: water fishery destination. But Brandon Wright set a new state

832
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 1: record this month with a twenty two and a half

833
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: inch nine and a half pound large from a Treasure

834
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: State lake. I realized, a fish that size is like

835
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: standard for warmer parts of the country. But that's a big,

836
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: preciously big northern large mouth. That's yeah. I was gonna say, no,

837
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: you're wrong about that, dude. Nine is big. I don't

838
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: care where you know, but I mean if you're in Florida, like,

839
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: it's big, but it's not. It's not newsworthy. It's just big.

840
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 1: But and and like to give you guys a sense

841
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: of how rare large mouth fishing is out here. That

842
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: was the first large mouth bass Right had ever caught

843
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: in his life. And he caught it on a worm.

844
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: So I'm guessing. I'm guessing homeboy was targeting walley like

845
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: he was just dunt get a worm, hoping to get

846
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: some walleye and he just ran into the state record

847
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: green bass. Uh. Forming over to Missouri. It's a good

848
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 1: year for car Devil and Rich caught a new record

849
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: spotted gar, weighing in at ten pounds nine ounces back

850
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: in February, and the last month, Anthony Sure set the

851
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: new benchmark for long nosegar in the state at thirty

852
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 1: two pounds ten ounces. There's a there's a warming angle

853
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: to this fish. Sure had a good friend pass away

854
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: recently and that friend's wife called Sure to break the

855
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: news and asked him to go out that day and

856
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: catch a fish and his friend's memory. Sure and his

857
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 1: girlfriend were croppy fishing when they saw this monster car

858
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: and they actually managed to catch it. He's now going

859
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: to mount the fish in honor of his deceased fishing buddy,

860
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 1: which awesome. That's a story. Yeah, finally, this one isn't

861
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: actually a technical state record, but it's a hell of

862
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: a fish and a good story. A US Fish and

863
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: Wildlife Service sampling crew caught a two hundred and forty

864
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: pound lake sturgeon that stretched to nearly seven feet in

865
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: length and four feet in girth. The fish was caught

866
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,240
Speaker 1: in the Detroit River, a notoriously noxious waterway that's still

867
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 1: still somehow maintains a relatively strong annual spawning around a sturgeon.

868
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 1: This particular fish is estimated to be over a hundred

869
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: years old, which means it this fish has personally seen

870
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: the progression of that river from a relatively pristine waterway

871
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: to an industrial cesspool to its more recent rebound in

872
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 1: the wake of the Clean Water Act. That fish has

873
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: seen some ship literally and yeah. Also, until reading this story,

874
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that the Fish Wildlife Service sampled sturgeon

875
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 1: by catching them on rod and reel. That's how they

876
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: sample it, meaning that those fisheries texts literally get paid

877
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,479
Speaker 1: to go fishing for sturgeon. I'm sure they don't much,

878
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: but still, like, that's a sweet gig. That's a b side, dude,

879
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: Detroit River sturgeon. I gotta hook up with them. How

880
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: do I have a volunteer on that boat? Guys, if

881
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: you're listening, you know where to find this um. The

882
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: thing I found most impressive of that was, I'm sorry

883
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: to say it, but just the Detroit River part. It's like, really, man,

884
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: like that's I've seen the Detroit River and I know

885
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 1: it's better than it used to be, but it's like, man,

886
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: that fish, like you said, has a hundred year old fish.

887
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: It has seen the everything dirtiest of the dirt in

888
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: that river. So very impressive. Is that all your records

889
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: that's it. That was it. That was wrapped it up

890
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: with a sturgeon. Good. Let's jump from fish records to

891
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: criminal records. Oh banger, right there, right there, when at

892
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: least expect it. Um, So I actually scrubbed a story

893
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: I had ready to go to quickly sub this in

894
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: and I have listener Justin. It's either Dare or day

895
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 1: or I don't know to thank for it, um. And

896
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: a few of you guys actually tipped me off to

897
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 1: this last weekend, but Justin was first, so he's he's

898
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: getting the shout out. So. I don't know if you

899
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: saw this, but there is a viral photo making the

900
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: rounds on social of some clown in Florida bear hugging

901
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: a juvenile tiger shark lifting it out of the water,

902
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: and the setting appears to be in Yeah, so the

903
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: setting appears to be in in one of Florida's freshwater

904
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 1: spring rivers, you know what I'm talking about. Like, it's

905
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: very narrow and shallow, crystal clear um. And in the

906
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: background of this our families swimming and tubing and paddling,

907
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: and the kid holding it looks exactly like Jeff Spicoli.

908
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: And I feel like this is now the second or

909
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: third time I've said someone from a Florida story looks

910
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: like Jeff Spicoli on bent It's irrelevant. So obviously, at

911
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: first glance, you're wondering, did this tiger shark swim up

912
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: this river where it may have injured these folks recreating?

913
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: But nay, look closely at the dead or very near

914
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: dead tiger shark and it's got a rope around its tail. Now.

915
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,479
Speaker 1: When Justin first sent this, he only had a few

916
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,240
Speaker 1: social media post to forward. I think it just happened

917
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: last Saturday evening. Um. This was in the Chazahowitska River

918
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: on Florida's West coast, locally known as the Chaz and

919
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: the posts he sent were from onlookers describing the scene,

920
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: and what they said was a larger boat, which can

921
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: be seen in other photos that eventually surfaced motored up

922
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: the river dragging this barely alive tiger shark on a rope,

923
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: and some people, including Spaccoli here, jumped at the chance

924
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: to pose with it, but most people were like kind

925
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: of piste off and a little bit horrified and started

926
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: calling f w C real fast. So what I don't

927
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: know is exactly how far away. These yahoo's with the

928
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,760
Speaker 1: shark had had to go to bring it to where

929
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: these photos were taken. But regardless, what I had initially

930
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: told Justin was to let me know if this becomes

931
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: sort of real news, Like right now it's just social

932
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: media chatter, but perhaps this will develop further. And sure enough,

933
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: a couple of days later, Justin hits me back with

934
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: a link to Fox News Tampa and it's game on. Okay. So,

935
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: according to the story, witnesses say that they saw this

936
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: crew of ass hats capture the shark. I don't I

937
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: don't again, I don't know where who saw them captured

938
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: or where. It doesn't say exactly where that was. And

939
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: then they dragged it to this section of the river

940
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: with the spring where people swim, and an onlooker quoted

941
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: in the piece says, people were tormenting the shark and

942
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: you using it as a photo prop. And this is

943
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 1: directly from the story. Several concerned citizens called the Florida

944
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission it's illegal to harvest tiger

945
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: sharks in Florida waterways. F w C says it is

946
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 1: aware of the incident and is investigating. Then late less Monday,

947
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: the agency noted issued two notices to appear to the

948
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: individuals allegedly involved, though they did not publicly identify them,

949
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: and another news story that followed up said they're going

950
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: to be charged with taking a prohibited species out of

951
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: the water, and they have court dates, per Fox News,

952
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: and will be facing second degree misdemeaners. And really, there's

953
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: not much to say about this other than this is

954
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 1: just like asshole behavior, right, Like, even if you found

955
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: the shark dead, which I doubt, it's still a species

956
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: you can't meddle with. And for the life of me,

957
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: like in this day and age, I cannot figure out

958
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,879
Speaker 1: why people do ship like that, like knowing it could

959
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: end up on the internet, or maybe even in this

960
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: is hoping it ends up on the internet, and then

961
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: you expect absolutely no consequences. And this isn't the first

962
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 1: time that that's something like this with sharks has happened.

963
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: Do you remember there was a video from Florida, oh

964
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: Man four or five years ago dudes dragging a shark

965
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: backward behind a boat, running it wide open, right. Um,

966
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: it made its round, Yeah, it was all over. The

967
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 1: internet made its rounds. They all got nailed as they

968
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: should have um, but I just I just can't get

969
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: my head around doing these things videoing it or or

970
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 1: taking a shark to a spot loaded with people who

971
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 1: all have phones with cameras and just saying it's all

972
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: in good fun. This will be fine, like the axelon

973
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 1: or one thing. But the follow up flawning and boasting

974
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: just tells me you actually don't have a brain cell

975
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 1: in your head. So you know, I mean, look, there's

976
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: not much to say on this. I think you come.

977
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: This is why shark fishing and Florida both get a

978
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: bad rap. Yes, because there's some very response sable son

979
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,240
Speaker 1: responsible and there are so many stewards of the resource

980
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: and great anglers in Florida, but you don't hear much

981
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,479
Speaker 1: about them, you hear about this kind of this ship. Yeah,

982
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,879
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. I'm I'm I have very good friends down

983
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: there who do the land based shark fishing thing very responsibly.

984
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: You know, they leave no footprint, leave no trash, they

985
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 1: do it at night, they don't do it on public beaches.

986
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: But it's it's this kind of stuff that ruins the reputation.

987
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 1: You know that that shark fishing has left that it's

988
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 1: hanging on too, so we'll see more might develop there.

989
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 1: But justin I do appreciate that um as promised. Man,

990
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: you sent the newspiece and I made it news. So

991
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: we'll see what Phil has to say about all this,

992
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,720
Speaker 1: see where his heart lies in this whole deal. He's

993
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: got a tough one to figure out this week. I

994
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: don't don't. He does, he does, and he does. And

995
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: then when we're done with that, we're gonna we're gonna

996
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: have a tackle hack from our bud, Mike. I canelli

997
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: that will help you stick more walleyes or perhaps a

998
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: state record. Guys, you called it already. This one was

999
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: neck and neck, and I think I'm just going to

1000
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: give the week to Joe because I don't think he's

1001
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: wanting a while and I feel kind of bad for him.

1002
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: So Joe, you're the winner. The walleye is kind of

1003
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: a funny fish because I don't even think I had

1004
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: heard of a walleye until I met my wife, who

1005
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: is from Minnesota, and to her, the walleye was seemingly

1006
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: the only fish that existed. I mean, this isn't going anywhere.

1007
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: I don't really have a point or a joke here.

1008
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: I just had that one single thought about Walleye. How

1009
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: are you guys, You guys doing good kids, good kids, healthy, awesome,

1010
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: glad to hear it. I'm getting coming from inside the city.

1011
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: Hi the flood. It's time now for our very regular

1012
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: and unexpectedly useful segment Tackle Hacks, where we ask talented

1013
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: people for legitimate fishing information instead of peppering them with

1014
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: stupid questions or asking them to make fun of their

1015
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: friends and clients. Today we have the one and only

1016
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: Mike I can tell you with us. So put down

1017
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: your Nintendo switch, grab a pen, and take some notes. Mike.

1018
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: Appreciate you being here again, man, Always a pleasure. Thanks guys. Yeah,

1019
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: So I know you do a lot of this kind

1020
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: of thing on your own channels, Like I don't know.

1021
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: It seems like every time I check in there, I

1022
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: you have some kind of a tip or suggestion, and

1023
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: I look at it and I wonder, like, damn, why

1024
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: have I never thought of that? You're just You're just

1025
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: a font of fishing info. So, without further ado, please

1026
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: lay a bit of that on us and the listeners. Sure, yeah,

1027
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: and I do love it. I've loved this aspect of

1028
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: fishing since I was a kid. You know, you're always

1029
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: trying to find a build a better mouse trap, find

1030
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: something that will catch more fish. There's a lot. I

1031
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: couldn't think of a good one that would be really,

1032
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: really good until I dumbed it down. And I want

1033
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: to give you a real easy one that has put

1034
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: so many more fish in my out, especially when we're

1035
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: talking about bass fishing with soft plastics. It's a modification

1036
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: that you can make to any brand of hook you're

1037
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: using on yourself plastics. You could make the modification on

1038
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: around bend an extra wide gap, a straight shank, a

1039
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: flipping hook doesn't matter, so style a hook um, none

1040
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: of that matters. And the tips easy. It's bending the

1041
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: point of the hook off of the eye of the hook.

1042
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: It's off setting the point from the eye of the hook,

1043
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: you know. And and before I was showing this modification,

1044
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: I was losing about of the bites when I fish

1045
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: soft plastics. Right, whether it's a worm, a soft stick, bait,

1046
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: a lizard or tube didn't matter. I wouldn't lose about

1047
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: of the bites. I'd get the bite, i'd set the hook,

1048
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: I'd come back empty. And you know, when I started

1049
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: making this model, vacation. It changed that ratio and now

1050
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: I miss very few bites. And it's simple by by

1051
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: taking the point of the hook off of the eye.

1052
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: When you have that forward pull pressure, that pull point

1053
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: and you and you set the hook instead of the

1054
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: point of the hook being straight in line with where

1055
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: you're tying it, it's offset. I like to call it

1056
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: about three degrees. Doesn't have to be perfect. Three degrees

1057
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: set off to the right or left. It doesn't matter

1058
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: if you you bend left or right. But when you

1059
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: offset it from the eye the hook and you apply

1060
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: that upward pressure sideward pressure, it makes that hook go

1061
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: in easier and more of a positive hook up. A

1062
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: positive hook set right, you get more meat is what happens.

1063
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: So the easiest way to do it is get your pliers,

1064
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: get your needle nose, grab the point of the hook,

1065
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: but not on the point itself, but where the hook

1066
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: bends up to the point, grab it with the needle

1067
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: nos and just turn it. Have to write three degrees.

1068
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: That simple little modification has put so many more fish

1069
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: in the boat. For me. It's one me tournaments. Um.

1070
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: It goes from being you know, seventy five in a

1071
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: day to to pent in a day, from hooks to

1072
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 1: landing hook ups to landing fish. So turn the point

1073
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: off of the ie the hook when you're fishing soft plastics.

1074
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: It's it's an amazing tip and it makes it makes

1075
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: me feel like slightly dumb because as a saltwater guy,

1076
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:32,479
Speaker 1: I'm very familiar with non you know, offset hooks for

1077
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: Yet do I ever make that tweak when I'm fishing freshwater? No,

1078
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: I have not, And why see, I've done it, but

1079
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: I've never done it with soft plastics, and so I'm

1080
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: definitely gonna start doing that now that that absolutely makes sense.

1081
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't that make sense? The offset works, It ups

1082
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,439
Speaker 1: your hooks at ratio and so many other places. Why

1083
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,959
Speaker 1: wouldn't it work here. It's a good one. It's helped

1084
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: me catch a lot more fish. And I got to

1085
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: work with v m C, and all of v MC

1086
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: hooks that are approved have the three degree offset right

1087
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: out of the pack, which is nice too nice. Well,

1088
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go pick up a pack of those right

1089
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: about now and try that out. I hope you guys

1090
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,959
Speaker 1: will do the same. But remember, like I was saying,

1091
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: you could just retro fit the hooks that you already have,

1092
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,439
Speaker 1: you don't have to buy new stuff. So we love

1093
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: that kind of hack. This is exactly you know. We're

1094
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 1: gonna lose our reputation as being a totally useless fishing

1095
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 1: podcast to keep doing stuff like this. But I very

1096
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: much appreciate you coming on and sharing that little nugget

1097
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: with us. Thanks a lot. I take care man, Thanks guys.

1098
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 1: Come on, man, We're not a completely useless fishing podcast.

1099
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: Not completely. That was kind of harsh. It was. It

1100
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 1: was your right, but we we let off the show

1101
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: with a story about a guide trip that had no fishing,

1102
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: and then reviewed a book by an author who may

1103
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: never have fished a day in her life. So well,

1104
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 1: I agree that this podcast is far from useless. I

1105
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 1: think it's safe to say that our insight, it's extend

1106
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 1: beyond the confines of fishing. Yeah, that's fair. But also,

1107
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: come on, that was a legitimately useful tackle hack. I

1108
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 1: just will add one caveat Okay, if you is this

1109
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: is a great tip, but if you partake in a

1110
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: fishery that requires circle hooks when hocking bait, just check

1111
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: your legs before you bend them out, because sometimes inline

1112
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: in that scenario is law. Otherwise, killer tip, that's a

1113
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: good call. That's a good call, and it's it's timely

1114
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: because some of those legs are going in now and changing.

1115
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, heads up on that one for those of

1116
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: you fish circle hooks and bait. But in most situations,

1117
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: I think we can agree ikes tackle hack is a

1118
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: good call and we are grateful to him for sharing it.

1119
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: So thanks, like, and I believe you were about to

1120
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: give us a suggestion for a particular lure. You might

1121
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: use that hack on the next time you go fishing.

1122
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 1: And also when you consider to be one of your

1123
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: your hail mary try it Outbates, Well, that's not allowed enough.

1124
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: Are you in a blade baits? For as long as

1125
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 1: I can remember, blade baits are just something I've kind

1126
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: of had kicking around. There's probably one buried under all

1127
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: the jerk baits and one of my jerk bait trays

1128
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: right now. There could be one hanging out with my

1129
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 1: chatter baits or jigs. Honestly, I can't remember the last

1130
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: time I threw one, because for me, a blade bait

1131
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: has always been a hail mary lure. Now, listen, I

1132
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 1: understand that some of you are upset right now and

1133
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 1: I never said a blade bait wasn't productive. I never

1134
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 1: said it didn't catch fish. I'm well aware of its potency,

1135
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 1: having interviewed dozens of guides over the years that practically

1136
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: live and die by the things, but most of them

1137
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,439
Speaker 1: are Walleye guys, which I am not, so that's one

1138
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 1: less use I personally have for blade bits. I'm also

1139
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: fully aware that they crush on ice out small amounts

1140
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: on many northern lakes, but once again, I don't do

1141
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 1: much ice out smally fishing on lakes. Blade baits, like

1142
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 1: the Cicada, blade Runner and steel Chad, we're simply not

1143
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 1: staples and the fishing scenes where I grew up, But

1144
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: I always wanted them to be my secret weapon because

1145
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: they are, after all, elegantly simplistic and definitely classic to

1146
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 1: the best of my research. It all started with the

1147
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 1: head and sonar, which the company introduced in nineteen fifty nine.

1148
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: Blade bait designs vary slightly, but they all share characteristics

1149
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 1: of the O G sonar. In essence, the lure is

1150
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: nothing more than a small cigar shaped hunk of lead

1151
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 1: with a huge metal shark fan on its back viewed

1152
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,479
Speaker 1: from the side. However, these two elements give the lure

1153
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: the profile of a bait fish like shad. There's a

1154
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: double hook at the tip of the fin, which is

1155
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 1: technically the tail of the bait, and another double hook

1156
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: hanging under that lead belly. On the central spine of

1157
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 1: the fin are three to five line tie eyes that

1158
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 1: slightly altered the lure's action depending on which one you

1159
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 1: tie off to. Blade baits are extremely versatile because they

1160
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: can be fished vertically or horizontally, and they were really

1161
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: one of the first subs faceloors that leaned into a

1162
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 1: fish's attraction to sound and ability to home in on

1163
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: vibration with their lateral lines. Now, no matter how you

1164
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: present a blade bait, it will shimmy back and forth

1165
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 1: like a rattlesnake's tail. The faster you jigger reel, the

1166
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 1: more pronounced the ripping, zipping vibrations it emits. This is

1167
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 1: why blade baits are so potent on the ice and

1168
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: right after ice out, because they can be gently finessed

1169
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: around sluggish fish, but it's often that short, abrupt zip

1170
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 1: off the bottom that gets a frosty Otherwise lockjawed bass

1171
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: or pike or walleye to take a swing Knowing all

1172
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: of this about blade baits, I've tried to make them

1173
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 1: work for me over the years, mostly in some of

1174
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 1: the deep dark holes on local smallmouth rivers, and I

1175
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: think another part of the reason why I never have

1176
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: more than one on me is because nine times out

1177
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: of ten, when I do try to properly fish one

1178
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 1: in those deep dark holes, I lose it. In my experience,

1179
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 1: heavy blade baits and rocky rivers don't play very well together.

1180
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 1: Blade baits, at least my blade baits have zero ability

1181
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: to deflect off hardcover like a square bill, or slip

1182
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 1: between the boulders like a fluke. They just wedge like

1183
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: a doorstop. I break them off and go back to fishing,

1184
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: something I have more confidence in. But then on very

1185
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 1: rare occasions, a blade bait can do no wrong for me.

1186
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 1: That's mostly in high dirty water situations. It's usually a

1187
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: last ditch effort, after working through the arsenal and being

1188
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 1: at my wits end, that I'll spy that lonely blade

1189
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: bait and say, oh, what the hell. Instead of letting

1190
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 1: it fall, I just hawked the thing out there a

1191
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: mile and reel it back at lightning speed. And this

1192
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 1: doesn't work all the time, but I've turned around a

1193
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 1: few bronze less days doing this for the magic to happen. However,

1194
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 1: I'm convinced I have to rediscover the blade bait every

1195
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 1: single time. I swear if I go out and tie

1196
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 1: it on right away trying to recreate that success, it fails.

1197
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 1: I have to go through my entire bag first, at

1198
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 1: least ten casts per lure, and then maybe the blade

1199
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 1: can save the day. That's about all we have in

1200
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: this week's tour through the Fishing Museum, but we sincerely

1201
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 1: hope that you enjoyed the still life portrait Hillary Hutchinson

1202
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 1: painted of a man too smart to know if he's

1203
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:16,879
Speaker 1: hungry or if he personally owns the Bob Marshall Wilderness,

1204
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 1: the postmodern film of a lungfish morphing into a black

1205
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:24,760
Speaker 1: Angus burger, the Greco Roman statue of Mike and Elly

1206
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 1: triumphantly bending fish hooks to his iron will, And a

1207
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 1: blade bait that's not really on the cutting edge, but

1208
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 1: you should probably still have a couple. And if all

1209
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: of that was just a little too strange for you,

1210
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:37,600
Speaker 1: right us and let us know at bent at the

1211
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 1: meat Eator dot com. Also if you haven't already, go

1212
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 1: to the meat Eator dot com back slash phish and

1213
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: sign up for our fishing weekly newsletter. You'll get an

1214
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 1: email every Tuesday straight from me, updating you on all

1215
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: the art and science we pour into our fishing shows,

1216
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:54,480
Speaker 1: articles and news coverage, plus all write up weekly suggestions

1217
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: on what you should be listening to, watching and reading. Then,

1218
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 1: over time I'll start telling you what to wear as well,

1219
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 1: so you're just clones of mem