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Speaker 1: I said, he's a Hall of Fame baseball writer, but

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Speaker 3: Can we continue with the show.

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Speaker 1: Please, and we can kick off the show here we go,

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Speaker 1: all right, So today is the start of the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 2: Now, obviously we're baseball podcasts.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to be going who's going in round one,

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Speaker 1: Mel Kiper on the show yesterday, it's on your feed.

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Speaker 1: He is so beyond smart that what he's able to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was great, Jeff. And I got a text

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Speaker 3: That's what I asked Mel multiple times. The point is, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: And I know Dad today that you have a bit

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Speaker 1: team for Team Tim. We're going to get to that list.

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Speaker 1: We did this with coach Beheim with great basketball players

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Speaker 1: a great game or what Dad? We're one month into

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Speaker 2: We're finally rolling.

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Speaker 3: Right, We are rolling, and I'll tell you who's rolling.

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Speaker 3: The New York Mets are rolling.

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Speaker 3: Leads right into our quirk chins for the week. Jack

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Speaker 3: You were going to sleep away camp like after that,

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Speaker 3: and he was intrigued by all of that. It was

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Speaker 3: so good. And speaking of Gus Ramsey, my dear friend

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Speaker 3: they both lived in Greenwich, Connecticut, and Wally Ramsey, Gus's

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Speaker 3: dad and Tom were good friends. So when Tom Sever

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Speaker 3: decided to attempt maybe consider making a comeback after his retirement,

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Speaker 3: he came over to Gus's house and said, I'm thinking

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Speaker 3: of making a comeback. I need to start throwing again.

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Speaker 3: Could you catch me in your driveway? So Gus Ramsey,

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Speaker 3: good athlete, good high school baseball basketball player, caught Tom

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Speaker 3: Sever in the driveway. It took five years for Gus

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Speaker 3: Ramsey to tell me that story. I said, Gus, how

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Speaker 3: could you bury the lead for five years? As how

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Speaker 3: I would introduce myself? H I am Tim Kirchen. When

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Speaker 3: I was eighteen years old, I caught Tom Sever in

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Speaker 3: my driveway? How could anything get better than that?

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Speaker 1: That needs to be his intro at Full Sale Universe,

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Speaker 1: Dan Patrick's School of Broadcasting.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that just needs to be it. Hi, thank

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Speaker 2: you all for being here.

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Speaker 3: And right exactly. So Tom Seaver threw him a bunch

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna throw some sliders now. Gus said, oh, okay,

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Speaker 3: I think it got it went okay, So all right,

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Speaker 3: what do we got next?

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Speaker 1: Jeff, Dad, this is a segment we do now at

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Speaker 1: the end of every week, three episodes a week. I

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Speaker 1: am a seam head and I want to give a big,

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Speaker 1: big shout out to Brad Taylor because his seam headedness

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Speaker 1: has to do with his love and obsession for the

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Speaker 1: Salt Lake Trappers, which you might not be familiar with,

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Speaker 1: but you know who is familiar with them is Bill Murray,

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Speaker 1: the Great Bill Murray. So let's listen to why Brad

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Speaker 1: Taylor is a seam head.

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Speaker 4: Jeff and Tim, I love your podcast. My name is

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Speaker 4: Brad Taylor. I'm from Syracuse, Utah, and I am a

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Speaker 4: seamhead because in the summer of nineteen eighty seven, as

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Speaker 4: a nine year old boy, the Lake Trappers, the only

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Speaker 4: professional team here in Utah at the time, set a

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Speaker 4: modern day pro baseball record by winning twenty nine consecutive games. Also,

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Speaker 4: at the time, they were owned by two brothers, Bill

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Speaker 4: Murray and Brian Doyle Murray. Yes, those Murray brothers of

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Speaker 4: SNL fame and movie fame. The next year, some local

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Speaker 4: card shops produced a card set of the Salt Lake

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Speaker 4: Trappers in which both Bill Murray and his brother are

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Speaker 4: featured and they are wearing the number twenty nine on

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Speaker 4: their uniform to honor the twenty nine game winning streak

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Speaker 4: by that Trappers team, a mark that has still not

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Speaker 4: been exceeded in modern baseball. I've got a large baseball

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Speaker 4: card collection, but these are two of my favorites. And

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Speaker 4: this story and those cards are two of the big

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Speaker 4: reasons I am a seamhead.

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Speaker 1: See Dad, Brad's message is so great because yes, it's

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Speaker 1: not inside the numbers nerdy or moving numbers around or

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Speaker 1: letters around and making crazy names. But for him to

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Speaker 1: be that obsessed with this team and these cards because

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Speaker 1: of the record they set for wins in one season,

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Speaker 1: it's it's pretty nerdy, it's pretty seam head ass.

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Speaker 2: I'm proud of this.

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Speaker 3: I'm just I am imploring any of our listeners or viewers,

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Speaker 3: if you have a seam head, please this is what

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Speaker 3: the show is all about. This is what we're doing.

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Speaker 3: This is a Valentine for baseball fans. We are acknowledging

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Speaker 3: how weird we are that we love the game this much.

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Speaker 3: So if you have anything like Brad had, please send

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Speaker 3: it in. Jeffrey, the magician with technology, will figure out

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Speaker 3: how to get it on the air.

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Speaker 1: All you have to do is email me Jeff at

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Speaker 1: Great Game or what dot com and you do that,

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Speaker 1: and trust me, Dad, it's not that much magic. We're

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Speaker 1: just dragging the audio clip in there. But I know

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Speaker 1: even email to you is a little bit of magic.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna I'm gonna keep the magic alive for you.

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Speaker 1: And wrapping up today, Dad, being that today is the

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft. A reminder if you did listen to mel

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Speaker 1: Kiper on the show ESPN NFL Draft Expert Talking Baseball

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Speaker 1: that is on the feed from yesterday we released that episode,

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Speaker 1: go back and listen to it. Trust me. So in

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Speaker 1: spirit of the NFL Draft, Dad, you have your team

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Speaker 1: Tim for the All Major League Football team.

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Speaker 2: What do you think?

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Speaker 3: So all these guys played Major League baseball and some

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Speaker 3: of them were NFL players, some were great college players.

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Speaker 3: So we'll just run down. Vic Janowitz is our catcher.

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Speaker 3: He won the Heisman Trophy and then played in the

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Speaker 3: big leagues. Todd Helton, hall of Famer, is our first baseman.

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Speaker 3: Was the backup quarterback to Peyton Manning at Tennessee. Jackie Robinson,

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Speaker 3: of course, was a tremendous running back at UCLA. Drew

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Speaker 3: Henson is our third baseman. He was the quarterback at Michigan.

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Speaker 3: Ace Parker. I must say I don't know much about

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Speaker 3: Ace Parker, but he's our shortstop outfield Kirk Gibson. Mel

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Speaker 3: Kiper told us he drew up a scouting report on

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Speaker 3: Kirk Gibson and said he would have been a great

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Speaker 3: NFL wide receiver, which I believe. Deon Sanders, of course,

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Speaker 3: who was an amazing Hall of Fame football player, and

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Speaker 3: for a guy who didn't play much baseball, he was

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Speaker 3: a pretty darn good baseball player.

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Speaker 1: And my favorite Deon Sanders story is when Buck Shoalter

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Speaker 1: had him on his team, they tried to practice the

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Speaker 1: rundown in spring training.

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Speaker 2: Right and they couldn't. They just couldn't get him out right,

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Speaker 2: so he said, all right, forget it.

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Speaker 3: They couldn't tag Dion out in the rundown drill, so

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Speaker 3: Buck had to cancel it because they weren't getting anything

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Speaker 3: done because he was too fast and too quick. Brian

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Speaker 3: Jordan also played in the big leagues and was a

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Speaker 3: good NFL player, And of course Jim Thorpe is part

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Speaker 3: of this group. Jim Thorpe maybe the greatest athlete ever

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Speaker 3: played in the Big leagues. Briefly and played in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: Just an amazing player. Frank Thomas is our DH. He

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Speaker 3: played at Auburn. Pretty darn good football player. Jeff Samarja,

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Speaker 3: great wide receiver at Notre Dame, pitching the big leagues

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Speaker 3: for a long time. Steve Renko was a quarterback at Kansas,

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Speaker 3: pitched to the big leagues. And our Deren Erstadt was

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Speaker 3: our punter kicker from Nebraska. So we've got the whole

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Speaker 3: team covered. If you've got anyone that we're missing, please

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Speaker 3: send it in because we want to keep these lists

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Speaker 3: as complete as possible.

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Speaker 2: Yes we do.

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Speaker 1: You can send it in at Great Game or what

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Speaker 1: that's on Instagram, Facebook or TikTok x as well, and

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Speaker 1: follow us there. We're trying to grow those accounts as

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Speaker 1: much as we can. You can share this with anybody

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Speaker 1: who loves baseball. Subscribe and follow where you're listening right

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Speaker 1: now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, wherever it might be

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Speaker 1: and more and dad. We got three new episodes loaded

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Speaker 1: up every week Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Tune in next Wednesday and listen to Steve Spark's former

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Speaker 3: major leaguer. If you don't enjoy this, then you don't

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Speaker 3: like baseball.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening, and as always, thank

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Speaker 1: you for being a part of our family.

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Speaker 2: M HM