WEBVTT - NFL and Deshaun Watson meet; Baker stuck in Cleveland? 0:00:05.058 --> 0:00:07.778 NFL Inside Report is the production of the NFL in 0:00:07.898 --> 0:00:21.298 partnership with I Heart Radio. I'm Padrew Clayband and for 0:00:21.378 --> 0:00:23.938 Rhett Lewis. This is the NFL Inside Report on an 0:00:23.938 --> 0:00:26.658 off season Wednesday, if you believe such things exists the 0:00:26.738 --> 0:00:29.098 off season, that is, but at off season Wednesday, with 0:00:29.138 --> 0:00:32.298 a ton of implications for the regular season. We're gonna 0:00:32.338 --> 0:00:35.298 take you through some of those things that will have 0:00:35.338 --> 0:00:38.898 an impact, including the latest on the league's investigation into 0:00:38.938 --> 0:00:42.778 Deshaun Watson and the allegations, the twenty two allegations against him, 0:00:42.778 --> 0:00:46.858 the Baker Mayfield situation created by the Browns acquiring Deshaun Watson, 0:00:46.978 --> 0:00:49.978 as well as Drew Brees and his activity in the 0:00:50.018 --> 0:00:53.738 tweets regarding his future. To discuss those goings on, I've 0:00:53.778 --> 0:00:55.458 got some help here on my maiden voyage on this 0:00:55.538 --> 0:00:58.858 particular ship, NFL Networks Steve White as well as NFL 0:00:58.858 --> 0:01:02.578 Networks James Palmer Gentleman. Uh. Let's let's get started here 0:01:02.578 --> 0:01:04.698 with that the most notable news a day where we 0:01:04.858 --> 0:01:08.658 wait the result after NFL investigators met with New Brown's quarterbacks. 0:01:08.658 --> 0:01:11.578 Investigation has a goal of determining whether or not he 0:01:11.698 --> 0:01:15.138 violated the personal Conduct policy. James, for those who have 0:01:15.178 --> 0:01:17.338 been following this story for almost the full one and 0:01:17.378 --> 0:01:19.618 a half years have been waiting for this part of it. 0:01:19.938 --> 0:01:21.658 What are your thoughts on the timeline as well as 0:01:21.698 --> 0:01:26.778 the potential result You said a keyword there, Patrick, in 0:01:26.898 --> 0:01:30.018 terms of how it pertains to the personal conduct policy. 0:01:30.098 --> 0:01:33.498 We have to remember that being found guilty in any 0:01:33.498 --> 0:01:36.178 sort of criminal activity doesn't play a part right in 0:01:36.298 --> 0:01:40.098 how they view you in breaking the criminal conduct policy. Now, 0:01:40.178 --> 0:01:43.658 remember too, grand Juries decided that not to indict him 0:01:43.658 --> 0:01:48.418 on criminal charges. That doesn't change whether he violated the 0:01:48.458 --> 0:01:50.818 personal Conduct policy in the eyes of the NFL. What 0:01:50.978 --> 0:01:53.618 usually happens, right, Steve, is when we see that they're 0:01:53.618 --> 0:01:58.098 talking to the player. The appearance usually is they've gathered 0:01:58.218 --> 0:02:01.778 a lot of information and now they're talking to the player, right. 0:02:01.818 --> 0:02:05.898 That usually happens towards the end of what their investigation 0:02:06.658 --> 0:02:09.298 UH pertains. They usually don't talk to the player early 0:02:09.338 --> 0:02:11.658 on in the process. They want all the information presented 0:02:11.658 --> 0:02:13.498 to the player. Then had the conversation with the the player. 0:02:13.538 --> 0:02:16.258 Remember that happening with Tyreek Kill maybe was that two 0:02:16.338 --> 0:02:19.658 years ago when he had his happening around this same 0:02:19.698 --> 0:02:22.578 time of the off season, it has that feeling Steve 0:02:22.658 --> 0:02:27.298 that like with them meeting with DeShawn now that we 0:02:27.378 --> 0:02:30.018 in the next couple of weeks could be hearing some 0:02:30.058 --> 0:02:33.938 sort of determination on a on a possible suspension. You know, 0:02:33.938 --> 0:02:37.058 it seems like the fact that the league is talking 0:02:37.058 --> 0:02:40.938 to the Shawn Watson now that will have you know, 0:02:41.018 --> 0:02:43.858 a couple of weeks before training camp at least knowing 0:02:43.898 --> 0:02:46.778 if he's gonna be suspended, if he's gonna be suspended, 0:02:47.258 --> 0:02:50.858 when he will be uh disciplined, those types of answers 0:02:50.858 --> 0:02:52.178 that we've all been waiting for. It. I'm sure the 0:02:52.178 --> 0:02:55.178 Browns want to know more than anything, and they don't 0:02:55.178 --> 0:02:56.778 know right now. I've talked to people with the Browns 0:02:56.938 --> 0:03:00.378 right they don't know. Nobody has any idea what's gonna happen. 0:03:00.978 --> 0:03:03.098 And you know, look, DeShawn Watson said all along he 0:03:03.138 --> 0:03:05.018 can't wait to tell his side of things. You know, 0:03:05.098 --> 0:03:07.258 he wants to lay this out there his legal team, 0:03:07.698 --> 0:03:09.378 So we'll see what the league belief. But you know, 0:03:09.458 --> 0:03:12.498 you you take you know, what the league has done 0:03:12.578 --> 0:03:15.658 with the situation before, from bounty Gate, to Deflate Gate, 0:03:16.178 --> 0:03:20.298 to you know, Josh Gordon, to some of these individual circumstances, 0:03:20.338 --> 0:03:24.338 Ezekiel Elliott probably being the more most prominent one where 0:03:24.338 --> 0:03:26.338 he was not He's not criminally charged. He's were just 0:03:26.418 --> 0:03:30.458 kind of accusations, um, pictures, things that could be used 0:03:30.458 --> 0:03:33.618 as evidence. And you know Zeke was you know, he 0:03:33.698 --> 0:03:37.658 was disciplined, he was suspended for a while, UM. And 0:03:37.738 --> 0:03:40.058 so you look at the threshold of the accusations against 0:03:40.058 --> 0:03:42.498 the Shawn Watson compared to some of the other players 0:03:42.498 --> 0:03:46.818 who've been disciplined under the Personal Conduct Policy. I think 0:03:46.858 --> 0:03:49.778 most people are expecting some type of discipline, but you 0:03:49.818 --> 0:03:52.618 just don't know. If the Shawan and his team layout 0:03:53.018 --> 0:03:55.618 this is really what happened, he may not be disciplined, 0:03:56.018 --> 0:03:58.058 I think. But think about the potential blowback because you know, 0:03:58.098 --> 0:04:00.578 for two years we've heard everything against the Shawn Watson 0:04:00.858 --> 0:04:03.938 and if all of a sudden he's got evidence that says, yeah, 0:04:04.058 --> 0:04:07.378 nothing really happened in here. So it's gonna be very 0:04:07.378 --> 0:04:10.858 interesting to see how the league handles this if it's 0:04:10.898 --> 0:04:13.778 something where he fights it in court, because we've seen 0:04:13.818 --> 0:04:16.138 cases and I believe in Ezekiel maybe I'm wrong where 0:04:16.458 --> 0:04:18.578 he would play that not play, the play the not play, 0:04:18.658 --> 0:04:21.378 you know, so again I think there'll be some type 0:04:21.378 --> 0:04:24.698 of at least initial resolution from the league standpoint before 0:04:24.738 --> 0:04:27.378 training camp. And the interesting part about it is, guys, 0:04:27.378 --> 0:04:31.938 like the timeline is still flexible within the civil lawsuits 0:04:32.058 --> 0:04:34.298 like they right now in my understanding, right if things 0:04:34.298 --> 0:04:39.178 aren't solved, I believe by June one, all of these 0:04:39.218 --> 0:04:42.018 hearings are going to be pushed back to three starting 0:04:42.018 --> 0:04:46.378 in March, so they could come up with a suspension, 0:04:46.418 --> 0:04:49.298 whether it's six games, eight games, ten games. I don't 0:04:49.498 --> 0:04:51.378 think I'd like to get European team. I don't think 0:04:51.418 --> 0:04:52.978 it's going to be the full season. That's just a 0:04:53.058 --> 0:04:58.538 guest though. Um, whatever the suspension is any almost all 0:04:58.578 --> 0:05:02.778 of these civil lawsuits might not be finalized. They could 0:05:02.778 --> 0:05:05.458 be pushed back to so there is the un potential 0:05:05.618 --> 0:05:09.698 to my understanding of no suspension, there could be a 0:05:09.698 --> 0:05:12.658 suspension in Yeah. I mean, look, the lead does not 0:05:12.658 --> 0:05:14.818 want to put itself in a situation. Okay, let's administer 0:05:14.898 --> 0:05:20.098 punishment now, right and then nothing Like you said, these 0:05:20.218 --> 0:05:26.058 these lawsuits gets push three, then he's found liable for 0:05:26.138 --> 0:05:30.658 some or all of them. Is the punishment retroactive? I mean, 0:05:30.698 --> 0:05:32.858 has he already served it? Are they going to hit 0:05:32.938 --> 0:05:35.218 him with double jeopardy so to speak under the personal 0:05:35.218 --> 0:05:38.218 conduct policy or or how would that work. So again, 0:05:38.418 --> 0:05:42.618 this is a really intriguing You can't say legal because 0:05:42.658 --> 0:05:46.498 it's not legal, but in terms of, you know, the 0:05:46.658 --> 0:05:50.938 dynamic of the timeline of how this could be handled 0:05:50.938 --> 0:05:53.178 and if punishment is meted out and if it's not, 0:05:54.018 --> 0:05:58.618 again the public relations, the public potential blowback of no punishment, 0:05:58.738 --> 0:06:01.138 how that's going to be meeted out. The last part 0:06:01.178 --> 0:06:05.618 Patrick I would say is it was interesting. I think 0:06:05.618 --> 0:06:07.498 it was at the first owners meetings, right, not these 0:06:07.538 --> 0:06:09.938 ones coming up. Obviously he can't speak ahead of time, 0:06:09.978 --> 0:06:12.458 that would be a wormhole and all sorts of situations. 0:06:12.538 --> 0:06:15.338 But when Roger Now spoke at the owners meetings and 0:06:15.458 --> 0:06:17.978 said that they, you know, they were going to speak 0:06:18.018 --> 0:06:21.538 to Deshaun Watson when they felt they had enough information. 0:06:21.858 --> 0:06:24.098 So now that they're meeting, and that was, you know, 0:06:24.138 --> 0:06:26.258 a couple of months ago, it appears then that they 0:06:26.298 --> 0:06:28.818 think they have enough information to meet with the Shawn Wats. 0:06:29.338 --> 0:06:31.978 It seems like the double edged sword of evaluating all 0:06:31.978 --> 0:06:34.698 of these different circumstances. See if you mentioned Ezekiel Elliott, 0:06:34.698 --> 0:06:38.658 of course, uh deflate gate the investigation into the commanders 0:06:38.698 --> 0:06:43.138 now right, evaluating these circumstances and individually puts you in 0:06:43.178 --> 0:06:46.618 a position where you have an independent investigation. And so 0:06:46.978 --> 0:06:49.378 the the ultimate question from people on the outside is, 0:06:49.578 --> 0:06:53.138 if you're evaluating this individually with your own investigators, with 0:06:53.138 --> 0:06:55.938 your own information, why is it contingent on things that 0:06:55.978 --> 0:06:58.498 happened outside of that. Why would you be concerned about 0:06:58.578 --> 0:07:00.738 the results of a civil lawsuit or the results of 0:07:00.738 --> 0:07:04.378 a legal investigation if you're having an independent investigation, And 0:07:04.458 --> 0:07:06.538 why the timeline has to be so different in that 0:07:06.578 --> 0:07:10.898 timeline right as put teams in positions where they don't know. 0:07:11.018 --> 0:07:13.338 You mentioned the Browns not knowing, and it gets us 0:07:13.378 --> 0:07:16.938 to this point where Steve, or are they do they 0:07:16.978 --> 0:07:20.058 have a plan to to start with Jacoby Brissette or 0:07:20.778 --> 0:07:23.538 is there a Jacoby Brissette plan that that has this 0:07:23.658 --> 0:07:27.338 kind of quantum superposition of whether or not Deshaun is 0:07:27.378 --> 0:07:30.018 going to actually play football and when that happens. Oh, 0:07:30.138 --> 0:07:31.378 I'm sure. I mean that's why they went on got 0:07:31.458 --> 0:07:34.458 Jecoby Brissett and you know, and it didn't go with 0:07:35.418 --> 0:07:37.418 you know, a younger quarterback. I mean the Baker Mayfield 0:07:37.498 --> 0:07:39.938 is what it is. I mean, that's that ship is sealed. 0:07:40.578 --> 0:07:45.178 We could we could, yeah, I mean we could talk 0:07:45.178 --> 0:07:46.818 a while, he could show up the camp. He could 0:07:46.818 --> 0:07:48.978 still play. Why why would he do that? But anyway, 0:07:48.978 --> 0:07:51.018 we'll get to that in just a minute. But yeah, 0:07:51.058 --> 0:07:53.578 I mean that's why they went and got a pro 0:07:53.698 --> 0:07:57.058 like Jacoby Persett who could come in six games, eight games. 0:07:57.298 --> 0:08:01.058 The team is good enough for Jacoby Brissette, you know, 0:08:01.098 --> 0:08:04.178 who can who can manage things to hold it, you know, 0:08:04.298 --> 0:08:06.578 to hold things down so he can hand it off 0:08:06.578 --> 0:08:08.938 and give to Nick Chubb. And in all these and 0:08:09.218 --> 0:08:11.258 you see the schedule, do they have any prime time 0:08:11.298 --> 0:08:14.738 games before? Like Week six? They have only two prime 0:08:14.778 --> 0:08:19.138 time games Thursday night Week three, Monday night Week eight. 0:08:19.738 --> 0:08:23.538 Okay are there two prime time games? So yeah, I 0:08:23.578 --> 0:08:25.418 mean that's a situation where the league is even kind 0:08:25.418 --> 0:08:28.098 of like, Okay, we know Sean Watson is one of those, 0:08:28.258 --> 0:08:31.178 you know, electrifying players in the NFL. But keep him 0:08:31.178 --> 0:08:35.498 off the prime time so one minimized exposure, um, even 0:08:35.498 --> 0:08:39.858 if he is playing, just because of everything that's been 0:08:39.858 --> 0:08:42.298 alleged against him. And the other is, you know, if 0:08:42.298 --> 0:08:45.778 he's not playing, is the draw really gonna be Jakobe Persett? 0:08:45.818 --> 0:08:47.738 But I mean in terms of the Browns, they would 0:08:47.738 --> 0:08:49.218 not have made the trade if they did not have 0:08:49.298 --> 0:08:51.738 planned b s in all of this in place, knowing 0:08:51.818 --> 0:08:54.338 that there could be potential discipline and play. Yeah, and 0:08:54.378 --> 0:08:56.538 one other little point on this is Patrick made a 0:08:56.538 --> 0:08:59.578 good point about how these works. This is is this 0:08:59.738 --> 0:09:03.098 the I think, right, the first one we're seeing under 0:09:03.138 --> 0:09:06.738 the new CBA where this isn't Roger else call right, 0:09:07.418 --> 0:09:10.498 this is independent of Roger Goodell and what happens in here. 0:09:10.498 --> 0:09:12.298 And so this is a little bit different than what 0:09:12.338 --> 0:09:16.698 we've seen in the past. And hopefully, especially considering because 0:09:16.698 --> 0:09:19.218 Steve you mentioned optics and the way things go about, 0:09:19.498 --> 0:09:22.538 hopefully the league is not taking any action that limits 0:09:22.658 --> 0:09:26.058 a conversation that we can have UH surrounding sexual violence. 0:09:26.298 --> 0:09:28.258 If it's whether it's putting the game in a certain 0:09:28.258 --> 0:09:30.738 spot or having it at a certain time. I think 0:09:30.898 --> 0:09:34.058 regardless of whether Deshaun is playing, UM, we have an 0:09:34.098 --> 0:09:38.018 opportunity to facilitate this conversation, and hopefully UM we we 0:09:38.058 --> 0:09:41.098 can go about doing that in a way. And and 0:09:41.258 --> 0:09:44.018 in terms of that conversation, Steve Um, a lot of 0:09:44.058 --> 0:09:46.938 Deshawn's teammates are going to have to be a part 0:09:46.978 --> 0:09:49.818 of that, and he has an opportunity this offseason to 0:09:49.938 --> 0:09:52.978 at least right put them in a position to where 0:09:53.578 --> 0:09:56.458 they can be comfortable having a conversation about him and 0:09:56.498 --> 0:10:03.498 about the circumstances without causing right harm. Uh for for 0:10:03.658 --> 0:10:06.578 people who are victims for but who are going through this. 0:10:06.938 --> 0:10:10.298 How how does how has he tried to facilitate that 0:10:10.378 --> 0:10:14.218 relationship thus far? And that's fantastic question because you know, 0:10:14.338 --> 0:10:18.458 what we see publicly and what happens privately are two 0:10:18.458 --> 0:10:21.698 different things. I mean, these conversations one look in the 0:10:21.698 --> 0:10:24.218 management of the Browns, they've had to happen. You know 0:10:24.938 --> 0:10:26.858 who the Browns push out there is the face of 0:10:26.898 --> 0:10:29.818 their ownership group. It is d Hassling. You know, Jimmy 0:10:29.858 --> 0:10:31.538 Hassling is the is the name behind it. But they 0:10:31.538 --> 0:10:33.418 pushed the Hassling out there a lot. She's got some 0:10:33.498 --> 0:10:36.738 strong opinions, right, So they came out. Remember it was 0:10:36.778 --> 0:10:40.418 kind of a fumbled initial press conference where I don't 0:10:40.418 --> 0:10:42.378 even think they were at the news conference. They were 0:10:42.538 --> 0:10:45.938 on vacation at a remote side overseas. Overseas yea. And 0:10:46.218 --> 0:10:50.378 what was said was kind of like, uh so you've 0:10:50.378 --> 0:10:52.298 got that part where they're you know, they're having those 0:10:52.298 --> 0:10:55.618 internal discussions pansmit wise with players, because they're going to 0:10:55.698 --> 0:11:00.098 be the ones who have to answer questions for to Shawn, 0:11:00.338 --> 0:11:02.418 I've been in too many of these situations S. S. 0:11:02.538 --> 0:11:05.338 James where somebody's you know, with Michael vickdaug fiding stuff 0:11:05.338 --> 0:11:07.098 is teammates to talk about it for half a season 0:11:07.138 --> 0:11:10.658 if got longer, um, things like that. So it's a 0:11:10.738 --> 0:11:14.138 very tough situation. But this is where you see who 0:11:14.138 --> 0:11:16.298 your leaders are. Like you said, Patrick, can we have 0:11:16.338 --> 0:11:23.978 an open discussion about sexual violence, uh, inappropriate behavior, domestic 0:11:24.098 --> 0:11:28.018 you know, domestic situations, And this is an opportunity for 0:11:28.058 --> 0:11:32.498 them to speak out on it without possibly violating the 0:11:32.538 --> 0:11:35.458 trust that they built up with the Sewan to speak 0:11:35.498 --> 0:11:39.058 about in personal terms or in general terms. But that's 0:11:39.098 --> 0:11:41.498 something you're hoping that the Browns, and I know they've 0:11:41.498 --> 0:11:46.178 got a pretty good media relationshis department and player player 0:11:46.178 --> 0:11:49.978 Engagement department where they're gonna have these players prepped because 0:11:50.018 --> 0:11:53.778 those those questions are going to come um from the 0:11:53.818 --> 0:11:57.338 local folks and especially folks coming in from out of 0:11:57.378 --> 0:12:00.778 town who may not even be sports writers, uh you know, 0:12:00.938 --> 0:12:04.298 asking about this. I'll pick it back on that state. 0:12:04.458 --> 0:12:08.538 And it's not just the players and the organizations are preparing. 0:12:09.098 --> 0:12:12.578 I talked to other organizations just just ingest right, going 0:12:12.578 --> 0:12:14.978 like what would you do if you guys landed Deshaun Watson. 0:12:14.978 --> 0:12:17.378 We're talking to two other teams just kind of about 0:12:17.578 --> 0:12:20.858 what they would go through the process with and it 0:12:20.938 --> 0:12:22.898 was endless what they were listening to me, you know, 0:12:23.058 --> 0:12:24.898 and how they would have to talk to all of 0:12:24.938 --> 0:12:28.538 their people on the phone that are taking calls from 0:12:28.578 --> 0:12:32.178 season ticket holders, and how that conversation would go because 0:12:32.178 --> 0:12:34.178 it's it's a topic that needs to be talked about 0:12:34.218 --> 0:12:35.818 and it should be talked about in that locker room. 0:12:35.818 --> 0:12:37.618 I'm not sure if DeShawn is going to address the 0:12:37.658 --> 0:12:40.658 team or talk to guys individually, but it's definitely one 0:12:40.698 --> 0:12:42.458 that I believe as a teammate I would like to 0:12:42.498 --> 0:12:46.378 have with him. What I'm interested in is how that 0:12:46.618 --> 0:12:50.178 those relationships are, let's be honest, relatively new with those 0:12:50.218 --> 0:12:53.538 teammates compared to the ones he had in Houston. And 0:12:53.578 --> 0:12:56.138 I was in Houston plenty and those guys over the 0:12:56.218 --> 0:12:59.138 last year, remember de Sean didn't talk at all. They 0:12:59.218 --> 0:13:02.098 had to answer throughout the entire season, and it was 0:13:02.298 --> 0:13:07.898 very interesting. The I want to generalize an entire locker room, 0:13:07.978 --> 0:13:11.938 but you would you could say the majority were loyal 0:13:12.018 --> 0:13:14.898 and faithful to the Shawn and the relationships from what 0:13:14.938 --> 0:13:19.378 I was told behind closed doors, were very good, very amicable. 0:13:19.458 --> 0:13:21.658 He caused no problems in the locker room. There weren't 0:13:21.738 --> 0:13:23.818 And when I say that, I mean there weren't arguments 0:13:23.858 --> 0:13:27.858 with him about this topic or other topics behind closed doors. 0:13:28.258 --> 0:13:30.938 But this is a new group of guys, and this 0:13:31.018 --> 0:13:34.298 is in. These are new relationships. It's gonna be something 0:13:34.338 --> 0:13:36.298 that has to be and done. I apparently maybe he 0:13:36.338 --> 0:13:38.618 wants to do it in the Bahamas where he's taking guys. 0:13:38.618 --> 0:13:41.378 I don't know, but it's it's a conversation. If I 0:13:41.498 --> 0:13:43.338 was a teammate to put my personal opinion on it, 0:13:43.378 --> 0:13:46.018 I would want to have And that's real quick, real quick. 0:13:46.698 --> 0:13:49.058 In the building itself, not just in the locker room. 0:13:49.098 --> 0:13:51.578 There's a lot of women, a lot of a lot 0:13:51.578 --> 0:13:55.498 of men who feel a certain way. Um, that's a 0:13:55.538 --> 0:13:58.658 NodD dynamic. Because I know one team UM that was 0:13:58.738 --> 0:14:01.778 involved in the trade talks what does Shan watch in 0:14:01.858 --> 0:14:08.378 that caught major blowback for employees in the building like this, 0:14:08.378 --> 0:14:12.018 this is not it, This is not it. So you know, 0:14:12.098 --> 0:14:14.618 there's a lot of massagy. And again the Browns before 0:14:14.618 --> 0:14:18.658 they made this step, I am sure that they spoke 0:14:18.698 --> 0:14:21.218 to a lot of people in their building and and 0:14:21.298 --> 0:14:23.658 everything to prepare for this. They had too, it was 0:14:23.698 --> 0:14:25.978 about five months Steve they were interested, so they had 0:14:26.178 --> 0:14:29.978 at least at least But I mean, that's another dynamic 0:14:30.058 --> 0:14:33.978 that might not ever, might not ever go away. And 0:14:33.978 --> 0:14:37.538 and to be clear, as James mentioned, the conversations that 0:14:37.698 --> 0:14:40.138 the teams had right the kind of the things that 0:14:40.178 --> 0:14:42.618 they were prepared to do, these are things that should 0:14:42.658 --> 0:14:46.098 be done anyway. People, these people who should be empowered. 0:14:46.138 --> 0:14:48.138 These are discussions that we should be having, whether or 0:14:48.138 --> 0:14:52.298 not Deshaun Watson plays a single down in two and 0:14:52.418 --> 0:14:55.018 the fact that he got there takes us to the 0:14:55.098 --> 0:14:58.058 next discussion because it led to more than rue thing 0:14:58.098 --> 0:15:00.538 being set in motion. That was the start of the 0:15:00.658 --> 0:15:03.578 end of Baker Mayfield. And we've gone through some iterations 0:15:03.578 --> 0:15:06.578 of this Baker job hunt. Right that there he was 0:15:06.618 --> 0:15:09.098 calling a shot saying he wanted Indie, he didn't want Carolina. 0:15:09.178 --> 0:15:11.658 Then Indie wanted and got Matt Ryan, and Carolina said 0:15:11.658 --> 0:15:14.258 that disinterest was mutual. In the draft, we had some 0:15:14.338 --> 0:15:16.818 quarterbacks going now we're here, which is nowhere for Baker 0:15:16.898 --> 0:15:19.058 at the moment. Uh. So, so James, what's up? Is 0:15:19.098 --> 0:15:22.218 anybody trading for Baker Mayfield? Who is still involved in 0:15:22.218 --> 0:15:25.058 this process? I got a text this morning from inside 0:15:25.098 --> 0:15:28.778 the organization that said, nothing is going on right now. 0:15:28.978 --> 0:15:33.218 I mean, absolutely nothing is going on. And I think 0:15:33.258 --> 0:15:36.178 it's kind of like that right that quarterback carousel and 0:15:36.298 --> 0:15:39.178 or musical chairs and is there a chair for Baker 0:15:39.218 --> 0:15:42.258 to fall into? You mentioned Indie he had interest there 0:15:42.378 --> 0:15:45.018 when I talked to people in Indianapolis that they had 0:15:45.058 --> 0:15:48.898 no interest. Um, there was a small amount of interest 0:15:48.978 --> 0:15:51.618 some with the Panthers. Uh. And then they traded and 0:15:51.618 --> 0:15:53.978 get Matt Corrall and and that that's gone. I mean, 0:15:54.058 --> 0:15:57.618 maybe Seattle falls out of love with threw Lock halfway 0:15:57.658 --> 0:16:00.538 through the season, I mean, or somebody gets hurt Steve 0:16:00.578 --> 0:16:04.338 in terms of health wise from another team right now, 0:16:04.578 --> 0:16:07.538 but right now, nothing is happening. And this has been 0:16:07.578 --> 0:16:12.578 a fascinating ride, uh to watch honestly from just a 0:16:13.218 --> 0:16:16.618 journalism standpoint, because of the way it's gone down right see, 0:16:16.618 --> 0:16:18.938 because if you think about the way this has happened, 0:16:19.298 --> 0:16:22.978 I go back to, you know, earlier in the year 0:16:23.018 --> 0:16:26.418 I was doing a Thursday night game in Cleveland against 0:16:26.418 --> 0:16:28.978 the Broncos, if you remember this, and they were determining 0:16:29.018 --> 0:16:32.018 whether Baker was going to play in this game. And 0:16:32.258 --> 0:16:36.418 it comes down to Wednesday's practice when Case Keenum comes 0:16:36.458 --> 0:16:39.418 out with defancy and he's that practice they tell everybody 0:16:39.418 --> 0:16:44.458 on Wednesday Keenum is the starter. Oh, b J and 0:16:44.538 --> 0:16:48.218 Jarvis Landry were not going to play in that game, right. 0:16:48.378 --> 0:16:52.498 They ended up playing in that game after they found 0:16:52.498 --> 0:16:55.978 out in practice on Wednesday that Case Keenum was going 0:16:56.018 --> 0:16:58.778 to be the quarterback. And I and when I found 0:16:58.858 --> 0:17:01.858 that out, I was like, this is this is this 0:17:01.898 --> 0:17:06.458 is a spot man and so I mean it has been. 0:17:06.578 --> 0:17:08.538 And then the funny board is there's coaches that I know. 0:17:08.578 --> 0:17:10.458 There're Steven I know you know that I think the 0:17:10.498 --> 0:17:12.778 world a Baker at the same time, so he is 0:17:12.818 --> 0:17:18.578 a polarizing personality, but I don't I don't know. I 0:17:18.618 --> 0:17:20.418 would like to see your tape. Is I'm watching Jimmy 0:17:20.418 --> 0:17:24.138 Garoppolo go through a situation in San Francisco where he 0:17:24.178 --> 0:17:27.138 takes them in twenty nineteen to the Super Bowl and 0:17:27.178 --> 0:17:30.218 then they trade three first round picks for a prospect, 0:17:30.498 --> 0:17:32.778 not a Deshaun Watson, who the last time we saw 0:17:32.858 --> 0:17:35.818 him play as a top five quarterback in football, and 0:17:36.218 --> 0:17:38.218 he went out and played and took him to the 0:17:38.218 --> 0:17:43.098 postseason again. It's it is a really wild right, and 0:17:43.138 --> 0:17:45.218 I want to get the timeline down a little bit 0:17:45.258 --> 0:17:49.138 because if if what I'm hearing is right that at 0:17:49.178 --> 0:17:54.138 the Combine Baker's represent that it were made clear that 0:17:54.218 --> 0:17:57.538 they would potentially go after a a top top quarterback. 0:17:58.378 --> 0:18:02.218 I'm not sure how he was lied to. And that's 0:18:02.258 --> 0:18:05.458 just my opinion. If he found out at the combine 0:18:05.978 --> 0:18:09.018 that they would maybe be going after you know, Russell 0:18:09.018 --> 0:18:12.738 Wilson or a or Aaron Rodgers or Deshaun Watson. Yeah, 0:18:12.738 --> 0:18:14.298 I like, you may not have have been lied to, 0:18:14.418 --> 0:18:17.138 but it hurt. I mean, it's like Matt Ryans Ryan 0:18:17.178 --> 0:18:20.018 was like, oh, okay, you're in on Deshaun Watson. I'll 0:18:20.018 --> 0:18:22.578 tell you what I've given fourteen years this organization. I 0:18:22.698 --> 0:18:25.218 rescued it from the ashes, give me out of here, 0:18:25.338 --> 0:18:26.898 and the other did him as solid and got him 0:18:26.898 --> 0:18:30.658 to you know potentially actually yeah, I mean, and so 0:18:31.498 --> 0:18:34.698 with Baker, you know you talked about how like Jarvis 0:18:34.898 --> 0:18:37.098 and O b J decided to play. I've talked to 0:18:37.218 --> 0:18:40.938 countless teams who are like, you know, I don't think 0:18:40.978 --> 0:18:44.178 that stuff got past us. You know, we know our 0:18:44.218 --> 0:18:48.218 locker rooms, and that's not gonna work, you know. So 0:18:48.378 --> 0:18:50.738 I do think at some point Baker will be on 0:18:50.738 --> 0:18:53.818 another team. But the longer this goes on, that's more 0:18:53.818 --> 0:18:57.738 time for Jimmy Garoppolo to heal, and teams would much 0:18:57.858 --> 0:19:00.458 rather if you're look, I don't think the Niners trade 0:19:01.578 --> 0:19:06.178 Jimmy to Seattle, but they might. I mean for real, 0:19:06.418 --> 0:19:09.978 I mean that that's that's nine weeks to take a 0:19:09.978 --> 0:19:13.218 good look at Drew lock because by the time he's throwing, 0:19:13.258 --> 0:19:16.458 it's what mid July begin being like. Then you have 0:19:16.538 --> 0:19:19.058 an opportunity to that these teams have seen some some 0:19:19.538 --> 0:19:21.178 and then you then but then the point you're making 0:19:21.258 --> 0:19:23.418 seams that throws Jimmy now into the mix, and it 0:19:23.458 --> 0:19:26.258 makes it even more complicated. There are a lot more 0:19:26.258 --> 0:19:29.058 teams that would take Jimmy g than Baker Mayfield for 0:19:29.058 --> 0:19:33.098 for note, for you know, Jimmy's durability issues for everything, 0:19:33.578 --> 0:19:39.018 because they saw how he handled the trail Lance situation 0:19:39.138 --> 0:19:43.658 last year, which was just unbelievable. So with Baker Mayfield, 0:19:44.058 --> 0:19:47.178 I think it may them down to you know, either 0:19:47.218 --> 0:19:50.818 the Broncos paying his attire salary because then somebody might 0:19:50.858 --> 0:19:54.298 take him, maybe Houston. I don't know. I don't know 0:19:54.298 --> 0:19:56.298 if they want to introduce that into what, you know, 0:19:56.298 --> 0:19:59.058 a guy in the last year's contract and to what 0:19:59.098 --> 0:20:02.298 they're trying to build. So and look, I'm talking to 0:20:02.338 --> 0:20:05.698 several people that the Seahawks. They're like, we've heard no 0:20:05.818 --> 0:20:09.298 interest from the Seahawks. And that's that's the thing. We 0:20:09.338 --> 0:20:12.258 have two quarterbacks, both were injured at the end of 0:20:12.258 --> 0:20:15.738 the season. Both needed surgery at the after the after 0:20:15.818 --> 0:20:19.058 the season came to an end. One of those quarterbacks 0:20:19.338 --> 0:20:21.018 was a couple of plays away from going to the 0:20:21.018 --> 0:20:24.898 Super Bowl. The other quarterback who was hurt. And you 0:20:24.938 --> 0:20:27.218 can clearly make the case that Baker shouldn't have been playing. 0:20:27.338 --> 0:20:29.738 I think Jarvis and O'Dell were probably making that case 0:20:29.938 --> 0:20:32.058 right when when they elected to play with Case but 0:20:32.098 --> 0:20:36.338 not with Baker. But um, he was out there and 0:20:36.378 --> 0:20:40.258 the results, James, they they weren't good. No, I mean, 0:20:40.338 --> 0:20:42.618 you have to remember it. Those first two weeks. I 0:20:42.618 --> 0:20:44.818 don't want to speak exactly on stets, he was completing 0:20:44.858 --> 0:20:46.618 like eight percent of his balls for the first two weeks. 0:20:46.618 --> 0:20:48.218 I know it's a small sample size. But then the 0:20:48.258 --> 0:20:51.978 injury happened. We three, and he really wasn't the same guy. Know, 0:20:52.098 --> 0:20:55.138 he talked on a podcast about how affected him physically, 0:20:55.178 --> 0:20:58.578 affected him, mentally, lost his self confidence, UM and and 0:20:58.618 --> 0:21:01.338 those things, because we did see the offense working the 0:21:01.418 --> 0:21:03.698 year before, right, him operating out of that play action 0:21:03.738 --> 0:21:05.418 with a really good run game that you should be 0:21:05.458 --> 0:21:08.458 relying on if you're Cleveland and running the football quite 0:21:08.498 --> 0:21:12.298 a bit. So, Yeah, the injuries definitely hurt, but there 0:21:12.338 --> 0:21:16.458 was a little more to Keenham playing. There's a night 0:21:16.498 --> 0:21:21.058 game than just Baker's Baker's hell, go tape your non 0:21:21.098 --> 0:21:24.578 throwing shoulder down, uh, tape your armjuicide and try to 0:21:24.578 --> 0:21:27.178 throw a football. It's it's exceedingly difficult, and we have 0:21:27.258 --> 0:21:30.378 seen Baker play at a very high level. UM. But 0:21:30.458 --> 0:21:33.098