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Speaker 1: What is up, Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode

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Speaker 1: of the Mets Stuff Podcast.

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Speaker 2: A little delayed. We enjoyed Labor Day.

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Speaker 1: We didn't want to drop one on Monday morning for

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Speaker 1: you guys. So we're gonna talk about the horrible, terrible,

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Speaker 1: awful Marlin series as well as Game one of the

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Speaker 1: series against the Detroit Tigers, which was pretty good, I

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Speaker 1: mean pretty good. There were some still some stuff to

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Speaker 1: talk about, but mostly gonna be a narrative episode. We're

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Speaker 1: not gonna go deep into every single game. There's not

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Speaker 1: a play by play box score looking at for this one,

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Speaker 1: just because it's five games. We have a lot to

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Speaker 1: talk about on this, so let's get going into it quickly.

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Speaker 1: the Ohio State red on big weekend for the boys football. Wise, otherwise,

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Speaker 1: how we feel and this is a weird one where

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Speaker 1: we have like so much to talk about, but can't

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Speaker 1: talk too much about it.

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Speaker 3: I think this is the most time that we've spent

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Speaker 3: between Mets up in season podcasts since we started the

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Speaker 3: show five years ago now, which is kind of feels weird,

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Speaker 3: but just so happened that it was the holiday weekend.

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Speaker 3: I had a wedding on Saturday and Sunday night. It's

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Speaker 3: just we couldn't talk Saturday. Yeah, there was no real

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Speaker 3: moment for us to do it. So again we all

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Speaker 3: to talk about now, and I think that's just a

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Speaker 3: good time to check back in with this Mets team

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Speaker 3: because a month ended, a month that you saw thirty

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Speaker 3: five different people on met twyter tweet it was the

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Speaker 3: best offensive month and team history, and the team still

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Speaker 3: went eleven to seventeen, which is kind of a little

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Speaker 3: bit disingenuous because we know we lost like seven games

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Speaker 3: to begin the month, so hard to even drag ourselves

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Speaker 3: middle of it, then ended it with a big, stinking,

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Speaker 3: kind of reminder that as much baseball as we've played

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Speaker 3: this year and as many different like turns this team took.

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Speaker 3: They've now become the team that we expect them to

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Speaker 3: be in March and April, which is pray for any

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Speaker 3: kind of semblance of decent pitching could possibly have, and

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Speaker 3: then just hit your way to as many wins as

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Speaker 3: you kind.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty crazy how the guys that are pitching well

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Speaker 1: to even get legitimate innings in a postseason race late

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Speaker 1: in the season for the Mets, being Joonahtanu and Noel McLean,

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Speaker 1: because the other guys that have stepped out on the

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Speaker 1: been pretty horrible. I mean, Peterson looked terrible. CODEI is

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Speaker 1: crazy cooked right now, and Manaiah don't. I don't know

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Speaker 1: because it's I don't see a way out for either.

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Speaker 2: Him or CODEI right now, which is kind of kind

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Speaker 3: Especially when you listen to the way these guys are

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Speaker 2: I think that makes a little bit more worrisome.

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Speaker 3: Like code That had a comment after the game where

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Speaker 2: He's working against his body.

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Speaker 3: He can't like find himself in the mechanics, which he's

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Speaker 2: He's just a little different.

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Speaker 3: And the way he talks about baseball, the way he

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Speaker 2: Stuff, eccentric the right word. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It's like eccentric is close. I don't know if he's

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Speaker 3: I feel like I'm doing everything right and I'm not getting

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Speaker 3: And in a lot of these instances, not exactly on

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Speaker 3: Right now, with even average pitching, we could be winning

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Speaker 3: almost every single game we play. So it's just about

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Speaker 2: To get that average pitching is really really important.

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Speaker 1: Well, it also hurts too that the bullpen is pitching

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Speaker 3: Also, I mean, I'm not going to chastize as anyway,

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's just bad all around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's bad all around on the pitching side. But

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Speaker 1: He's on absolute fire.

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Speaker 2: He's so he's so good.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe that there are still people in the

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Speaker 2: Mets community that aren't Jan Soto believers yet, which is crazy.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's true. I really don't think it

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Speaker 3: I think you live in these weird nooks and cranny

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Speaker 1: I think you're in the opposite. I think you're you're

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Speaker 1: That's not the majority of people that exist on social media,

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Speaker 1: and that's not the majority of just fans in general.

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Speaker 3: But I also think as we've gotten to this point

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Speaker 3: when you're seeing guy that's going to hit he is

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Speaker 1: Now, anyway, I'm not trying to say that these people

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Speaker 2: Know what's gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: Wansorta hits a ground ball a second base and he

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Speaker 2: That is still a majority of the fan base.

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Speaker 3: I think majority. That majority is still definitely not majority.

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Speaker 1: Where you're going to the games and Wan Soto gets out,

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Speaker 1: everyone is screaming. Most people around you are screaming, this

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Speaker 3: I think maybe that again, this weekend has at majorly

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Speaker 3: pacing to be one of the best players in baseball

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Speaker 3: once again. There's an argument he's the second most valuable

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Speaker 3: this Mets team, like a few games over under five hundred,

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Speaker 3: but like you take soda off this team.

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Speaker 2: You could be looking at an Atlanta Brave season.

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Speaker 3: It's funny that we also haven't even spoken since Jonah

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Speaker 3: Toong actual debut, feel like in a very very very

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Speaker 2: Jonah Tom Jona Tong.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about Jonah Toong because it was

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Speaker 1: the most anticipated start that the Mets have had since

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Speaker 1: Nolan McClain, but also just one of the more anticipated

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Speaker 2: He came up with all the hype. We know that

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Speaker 1: The strikeout numbers are gaudy, the stuff looks insane, and

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Speaker 2: The place was buzzing.

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Speaker 1: The tickets were selling for insane prices. My tickets I

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Speaker 3: I think both sides of it too, Like there were

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Speaker 3: from there it's not really a normal baseball game, you

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Speaker 2: As a pitcher.

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Speaker 3: You have to wait a half hour in between each

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Speaker 3: It took him two or three innings to find the

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Speaker 1: I think the curveball is going to be that pitch,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how a lefty hits that change up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we're gonna have a real conversation about uh,

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Speaker 3: For sure, and they'll they'll definitely be these guys will

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really excited to see Jonah Toan's next start.

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Speaker 1: I mean, keep getting some soft contact, please, Jonah Tom

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Speaker 1: pitchers make their MLB debuts and get wins in their

439
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Speaker 1: debut starts, which I thought was kind of a crazy

440
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Speaker 1: stat that how's that never happened before?

441
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Speaker 2: That was really cool.

442
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Speaker 3: And when you say he was loose, I know you

443
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Speaker 3: met like mentally, but he also physically seems very loose.

444
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Speaker 2: Seems so it seems like a stretches a.

445
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Speaker 3: Lot, like he's spinning around, like I like using my

446
00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,600
Speaker 3: roommates Romuina for a lot of this cool stuff because

447
00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,000
Speaker 3: he doesn't know, think or care about baseball in anyway.

448
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Speaker 2: And I'm like, look at this guy with you think

449
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Speaker 2: he's like that guy's awesome.

450
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Speaker 3: You could you could just kind of feel it, like

451
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Speaker 3: it that good energy and off him. And it's so

452
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Speaker 3: funny to juxtapose again him with McClain back to back,

453
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Speaker 3: because like these guys could not. McClain called him. He's

454
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Speaker 3: like he's a good kid. You're you're also a rookie,

455
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Speaker 3: but like he just looks like.

456
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Speaker 2: A grizzle vet. It's really really funny. He's he's just

457
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Speaker 2: he's the best.

458
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Speaker 1: You know, it's always super funny. I love just saying this,

459
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Speaker 1: and I think I've texted you this before. Squan Sot

460
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Speaker 1: was only like four years older than Jonah Toong.

461
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like but like two years older and a year

462
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Speaker 3: and a half older than Nolan McLain, which just crazy

463
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Speaker 3: to say out loud. A year older than Mark Fiento,

464
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Speaker 3: So that's crazy. But again, like the watching the lineup

465
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Speaker 3: also just tear through Euripeas in that game, like feel

466
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Speaker 3: like feeding off that energy from the ballpark of like

467
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Speaker 3: a pure sellout, completely ridiculous crowd and getting him that lead.

468
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Speaker 3: That was a very cool, like worthwhile moment. Seeing again

469
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Speaker 3: it feels different now that's the way these last couple

470
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Speaker 3: of games this series went. But just like Solo Alonzo

471
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Speaker 3: Fiento's Nimo two hom it's just absolutely NonStop attacking the baseball.

472
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Speaker 3: Tyron Taylor had a great game, like transit the lay

473
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Speaker 3: homer of position blairer Like, it's just absolutely going ballistic

474
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Speaker 3: on these guys. Is cool because we know that again,

475
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Speaker 3: Slim kind of has to do that moving forward if

476
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Speaker 3: we want to get to we want.

477
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Speaker 1: To get which they are doing right now. They're swinging

478
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Speaker 1: the bats as well. I know there's been a couple

479
00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,679
Speaker 1: of games like Sandy shut us down, but I mean,

480
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Speaker 1: I feel like we all saw that coming a mile away.

481
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Speaker 2: That's what Sandy Alcontra does to us.

482
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Speaker 1: But we smoked Charlie Morden. It feels like we're the

483
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Speaker 1: bad pitchers. Earlier in the season that would be like,

484
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Speaker 1: how can we not score? Minus Bryce Elder, We've been

485
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Speaker 1: smacking these guys around, which is good to see because.

486
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Speaker 2: This offense is good. We know this is a good

487
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Speaker 2: offensive team.

488
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Speaker 1: Jeffyneil playing well, Nimo hitting better, like you mentioned, Pete's

489
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Speaker 1: been heating up, which is really big. Lin d'orste like

490
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Speaker 1: everybody is playing well, and again shout out Mark Vianto

491
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Speaker 1: is too, still playing really good baseball, which is big

492
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Speaker 1: to see.

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Speaker 2: It's Marte as well.

494
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Speaker 3: Badiess got a little bit older with the bat, but

495
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Speaker 3: still putting together mostly good at bat. Watching the Sandy

496
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Speaker 3: game actually gave me a little different feeling. That gave

497
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Speaker 3: me the hmm kind wish that guy was on my team. Yeah,

498
00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,440
Speaker 3: of course, but we'll never know the offense that came

499
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Speaker 3: in for him the deadline, will never know how hard

500
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Speaker 3: US or any other team pushed until maybe the classic

501
00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,119
Speaker 3: Jim Bodann article that we get this offseason about everyone

502
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Speaker 3: missed like the guy who's like going to be one

503
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Speaker 3: of the best pitches in the league again, but.

504
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Speaker 2: The click the models have to be pissed about.

505
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Speaker 3: How but how quickly the quick happened directly after the

506
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Speaker 3: trade deadline. He gotta be kidding me, Like, maybe he

507
00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,160
Speaker 3: was also weighing on him mentally, maybe he didn't want

508
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Speaker 3: to get traded. Maybe that anxiety was affecting him on

509
00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,720
Speaker 3: the mound while he physically again was back to his

510
00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,280
Speaker 3: normal velocity but still couldn't get that command the mechanics right.

511
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Speaker 3: But watching that start Sunday, I couldn't get the thought

512
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Speaker 3: out of my head is like, this is literally the

513
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Speaker 3: one exact thing we need.

514
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Speaker 2: What do you think about the bench is clearing?

515
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Speaker 3: I thought that, and Vieto's kind of admitted he was

516
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Speaker 3: just trying to spark something somehow, just trying to make

517
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Speaker 3: everything happen because for all intentsive purposes.

518
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Speaker 2: Mark Vantos was just kind of being a dick.

519
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like which is cool, which got hit, But I

520
00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,080
Speaker 1: like it. I liked it a lot, especially seeing Nimo

521
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Speaker 1: and Pete like almost like foaming at the Mount Nemo especially. Yeah,

522
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Speaker 1: that was the craziest shit ever I ever expected to

523
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Speaker 1: see it on the field, like Nimo and Pete being

524
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Speaker 1: like the Nimo was the first guy out, he.

525
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Speaker 2: Was ready to go in the middle. Yeah, in the.

526
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Speaker 1: Middle of it, and Pete having to be held back.

527
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Speaker 1: Didn't expect to see that. Love to see it though,

528
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Speaker 1: and maybe it played out a little bit into Monday

529
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Speaker 1: because they did kind of just punch the tiger of

530
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Speaker 1: the mouth offensively.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they did come out Monday relatively with their heads

532
00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,800
Speaker 3: on fire, which was a cool adjustment. There's also something

533
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,720
Speaker 3: definitely happening with Nimo where he's the leadership the Nimo

534
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,000
Speaker 3: showing while again it's not the raw rock kind of guy,

535
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Speaker 3: like he's become to use parlamce of our times.

536
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Speaker 2: He's kind of unk on this team. Is like he's

537
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Speaker 2: shouted sapsman.

538
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,119
Speaker 3: He shouted out baby after the rally again show on

539
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Speaker 3: Durran last week, and like this is probably another one

540
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Speaker 3: of his guys. Viento's like getting into it with, truthfully,

541
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Speaker 3: someone especially respected by the players, like a stalwart in

542
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Speaker 3: the game at San die Lcantra, and he was out

543
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Speaker 3: there first guy right in the middle of it again

544
00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,200
Speaker 3: fully well and knowing that Mark Fianzos was basically the

545
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Speaker 3: wrong about this, saying he basically told him in a

546
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Speaker 3: much kind of way, like you're lucky.

547
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Speaker 2: I'm putting you on first base right now.

548
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Speaker 3: You see what's going on in this game, do that,

549
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,879
Speaker 3: and have basically said after the game again like I

550
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,359
Speaker 3: wanted to try and spark these guys. See if I

551
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,200
Speaker 3: get a rally going anyway I can. It was funny,

552
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,400
Speaker 3: but we've kind of sad year. The team probably needs

553
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Speaker 3: something like that. And maybe that happened because the way

554
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,720
Speaker 3: the games went on Saturday and Sunday, after all, the

555
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,800
Speaker 3: energy from Friday was so incredibly disappointing.

556
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, of course, I mean Peterson getting sled early

557
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,399
Speaker 1: on and he got like weirdly unlucky because if he

558
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,679
Speaker 1: if his glove was an inch higher, he gets that

559
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,200
Speaker 1: ball probably turns to like there's there's all these little

560
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,399
Speaker 1: micro things that could have changed, but obviously it didn't,

561
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 1: so we can't really dwell on that. He didn't pitch well,

562
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 1: like giving up that many runs to the Marlins early

563
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 1: in the game, the way code I was horrible on Sunday,

564
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Speaker 1: like pretty unacceptable, performances by two guys who were supposed

565
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Speaker 1: to be frontline, top of the rotation guys.

566
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Speaker 3: Peterson also again, while that play specifically has been unlucky,

567
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Speaker 3: he got smoked.

568
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Speaker 2: Well, they hit the ball hard. Otherwise, yes, the.

569
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Speaker 3: Whole time they hit the ball hard like it was

570
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Speaker 3: not to stop hitting the ball hard like. There was

571
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Speaker 3: not a lot of execution for Peterson with the fastballs,

572
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Speaker 3: like usually we talk about how great he can command

573
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Speaker 3: this the sinker and the fastball, and he just they

574
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Speaker 3: were kind of a lot on the heart of the play.

575
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Speaker 3: A lot of the fastballs were kind of missing and

576
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Speaker 3: uncompetitive spots like what the curve balls weren't getting swings

577
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 3: and misses same the side, they weren't really close enough.

578
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Speaker 2: It seemed like he did.

579
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Speaker 3: I mean, also, I think it's fine, like you flushed

580
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Speaker 3: these parents down the toilet.

581
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Speaker 2: Sometimes you come out and you have nothing.

582
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Speaker 3: This two times in four starsos now makes me like

583
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 3: a tiny bit more worried about David Peterson.

584
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 2: I really want him to get it together.

585
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,919
Speaker 3: Next now we're looking at the full season stat line

586
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 3: for David Peterson with the three six cr which is

587
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 3: it feels much more in line of what the true

588
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 3: expectations really were. So I think that's all good and well,

589
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 3: but he has to even more. This might be a

590
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Speaker 3: crazy take more than the effect in this being a

591
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Speaker 3: stop or shut down guy based on where we are

592
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Speaker 3: as a team right now. He just needs to be

593
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Speaker 3: able to eat the innings chat innings either, Like if

594
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,199
Speaker 3: he can be a six inning, four run guy, like,

595
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Speaker 3: that's also not that bad of a thing or big

596
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 3: of a deal given the way the teams start. No,

597
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 3: it's not six and threes quid, but just again, it's

598
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 3: the innings to me are as important as the runs

599
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 3: he's allowing, because he can't be eight eighth bad go

600
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Speaker 3: going up there and giving up five off the bat.

601
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Speaker 2: Horrible.

602
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Speaker 3: They're coming out for that third inning and just getting

603
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 3: again lit up. It's like that putting yourself in a

604
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 3: hole like that sucks. In fact, the Mets scored runs

605
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 3: each of the first four innings of this game and

606
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 3: we're still trailing. It's hard to dig yourself out.

607
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:50,880
Speaker 2: Of the hole.

608
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Speaker 3: And I do commend them for digging themselves out of

609
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 3: that hole. It's just they got in one too many

610
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 3: holes to dig themselves out of. And that was the

611
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 3: most frustrating thing because when he knows that triple to

612
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 3: start the bottom of the seventh after Tyler Rodgers keeps

613
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 3: giving up these real dinky, annoying runs.

614
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 2: It's kind of danky. It's so annoying.

615
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: He's like, I can understand if someone was upset with

616
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 1: him because he is giving up runs. But you watch

617
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Speaker 1: and you're like, I don't he He made the right pitch,

618
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: He did everything he was supposed to be got soft contact.

619
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Speaker 2: It was too soft of contact.

620
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Speaker 3: So I mean, beat the guy who scored that. When

621
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Speaker 3: you go ahead, brought Augusty Ramirez. You're a boy who

622
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Speaker 3: you spoke so eloquently about heading into the series.

623
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Speaker 2: I said nothing about him on this podcast. There's nobody

624
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Speaker 2: was elsewhere then maybe it was elsewhere. It was elsewhere.

625
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Speaker 2: There's no elseware. I stand by what I say about

626
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Speaker 2: Augustin Ramirez. He is gonna do this everywhere this series.

627
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Speaker 5: He is.

628
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's the worst catcher I've ever watched.

629
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Speaker 1: If you put him at the DH position, he's what,

630
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Speaker 1: how many home runs are going to hit you in

631
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Speaker 1: a season?

632
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Speaker 2: Twenty eight? Cool, cool dude? Twenty home runs from the

633
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Speaker 2: DH position. Maybe I don't know. He's played one hundred

634
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Speaker 2: and twenty games, is your his twenty home runs? Yeah,

635
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Speaker 2: so I think that lines up pretty somewhat closer to

636
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Speaker 2: twenty eight. I just said some hundred ops ops plus

637
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 2: the ninety seven. I don't know, I under the rookie. Yeah,

638
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 2: trying to cut the guys some slack. He hits the

639
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 2: ball hard. I get it.

640
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 3: I just say he smoked his single. But then that

641
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:05,959
Speaker 3: then it was like the things and everything else all

642
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 3: the other places. That's how the wanted up getting run.

643
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 3: So this is frustrating, but then you still again like this,

644
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 3: this is kind of more of a basketball analogy where

645
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 3: you spend so much time coming back in a game

646
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 3: that you don't have enough left to actually go ahead.

647
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 3: Because even McNeil just getting that really ridiculous triple start

648
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 3: the eight and not being able to bring him home.

649
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 3: I was just like, oh Man, still coming off the

650
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 3: high of the Ohio State win, finding a way to

651
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 3: just be frustrated with the Mets watching this as it happened.

652
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 2: Was it was.

653
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 3: It was a game that you wish they pull out

654
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Speaker 3: because if they do, and also basically how many runs

655
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 3: you scored and who was pitching for you should have

656
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 3: should win the entire series. And the entire weeks just

657
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 3: feels so much different. Same goes back to the game

658
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 3: We're just very conveniently forgetting on Thursday, which might have

659
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 3: been the worst game the Mets played all season.

660
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really didn't want to mention it because it

661
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 1: was so bad and it was like five days ago

662
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: now where I'm just like, hey, we forgot, let's forget

663
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: about that one. And I don't really want to talk

664
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: about it at all because that was disturbing to watch.

665
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 3: Sadly, this is something that this team kind of does

666
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 3: sometimes though, where you get really hot and then for

667
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 3: the focus is gone for just a bit too long

668
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 3: and then you have to rain yourselves back in. But

669
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 3: just it did feel like Friday was like the push

670
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 3: to get that ball rolling again. And then the Saturday

671
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 3: Sunday back to back just bang bang, that.

672
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 2: Was the pain. Like you said, like I can allow

673
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,360
Speaker 2: Sunday offense. Sunday's fine.

674
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 1: I can allow it because Sandy came out and he

675
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: shoves He's the man the things that sucker again Peterson

676
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: code I And then even just bringing it into Monday,

677
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: because again, the hit of the offense has actually been

678
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: really good. We know they've like you mentioned everyone and

679
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: their mother has been tweeting that the Mets had the

680
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: best offense in August.

681
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 3: But when something hit the second home run on Saturday,

682
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 3: we're winning this game. Or even when Viano's hit the

683
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 3: home run, I was like, we're winning.

684
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: This Yeah, Like it's not the offense is fault at all. Again.

685
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,719
Speaker 1: You ran into Sandy on Sunday. But the starting pitching

686
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: just cannot keep doing this. Not possible, especially like if

687
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: you're gonna go short but give up no runs, that's different.

688
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: You can't go three innings and give up six runs.

689
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: And that's what they're doing right now. Code I is

690
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: Code I is the one I'm I think the most

691
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: scared about because, like you mentioned earlier, he's so like

692
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: mentioned in tune with his body frenetic.

693
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was looking for.

694
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 1: When things are off, it seems like he almost can't

695
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: get he can't mentally get past it, and it affects

696
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 1: what's going on and it becomes so mental for him

697
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: on the mound where he's constantly tweaking and tinkering. It's like, dude,

698
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 1: just go out and pitch. At some point, like loosen

699
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: up a little bit.

700
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 6: We're throwing a curveball at you. This week for our

701
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 6: Arena Club segment, as AJ has opened up a Pokemon

702
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 6: slap pack.

703
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 2: Did you say it?

704
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 6: Pokemon?

705
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 2: Flatman?

706
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 6: Pokemon, don't ask me to say what that card is,

707
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 6: but we're doing with that card.

708
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 2: I already sold it back, baby, I bought it, and

709
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 2: then I got more money than I paid for the pack,

710
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 2: so I sold us straight back. You bought it for

711
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 2: two fifty, you sold it for.

712
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 6: And you can go get yourself something that you maybe

713
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 6: know how to pronounce.

714
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: Yes, what it is?

715
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,959
Speaker 4: I said it because I saw certain people open in

716
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,959
Speaker 4: Pokemon and they're making money, and guess what I got.

717
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 2: Lucky made money off.

718
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 6: Of it too, exactly. But of course, if you're into

719
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 6: sports cards, that is something that you can find a

720
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 6: ton of on the Arena club marketplace. By sell slab pack,

721
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 6: trade twenty percent off your first slap pack or card

722
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 6: purchase can be had at Arena club dot com. Slash

723
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 6: foul and use the code foul. That's arenaclub dot com

724
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 6: slash foul and use code foul.

725
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 3: At least in this start with COVI, we saw like

726
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 3: major spurts of dominance again with the forkball, Like that's

727
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 3: something that he has been able sustain a bit more lately,

728
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 3: so I think it's cool. And also when they start

729
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 3: finally he kind of starts to go away again from

730
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 3: those other pitches because when he was at his best,

731
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 3: which I know he's not as best right now, but

732
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: it was just hard stuff. And then forkball, like that

733
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 3: was kind of the back and forth for seam cut

734
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 3: fork and kind of just being able to mix those

735
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 3: three pitches up both sides of plate not let anyone

736
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 3: kind of know which was coming. But now he tries

737
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,479
Speaker 3: to sneak in the sweepers and the sly there and

738
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 3: the super.

739
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: Slow curveball that he keeps trying to like mess around with.

740
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't hate throwing that once in

741
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: a while. But again, like the sweeper gets blasted, Yeah,

742
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: it gets crushed, and he does not really really know

743
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: where it's going either. It does not really get a

744
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: swing and miss. It's just it does seem like he's

745
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: being a bit too And again probably just because the

746
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: nature of this repertoire, like we said, like Murphy always

747
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: tell us all the time, like faster, slow, like straight

748
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: or curve like right now, it's three fast, these three straights.

749
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: Knowing this three straights, it's kind of easy to pick

750
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: and choose there. It does seem like these.

751
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 3: Hitters seem painfully aware when that fastball's coming, and they're

752
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 3: just they're really excited to go go out and get it.

753
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: It's a little predictable, and the stuff just isn't very good,

754
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: So that's a rest before the rest of the stuff's

755
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: not good correct And that's the forkball needs those other

756
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: pitches as well to be good, because then you're when

757
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: that when those pitches are clicking, it's hard to get

758
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: any hits, any runs off of Code is saying, it's

759
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: just it hasn't done that for months.

760
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 3: And we've seen also, just like around the league, a

761
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 3: guy like Kevin Gasman, who I think always comped really

762
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,479
Speaker 3: similarly to Cola because it's just again it was fastball, slips,

763
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 3: split the everything else good luck, like you've never been

764
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 3: through anything else.

765
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: You can see so much too. This kind of happens

766
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 2: to Gallon too, because.

767
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 3: He's also like a high low like tunneling fastball, curveball guy,

768
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 3: like two pitches that are on very similar planes. That's

769
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 3: why it's kind of cool that tongue now has that

770
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 3: change up with that with that fat on it. But

771
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 3: it's especially when he's not hitting, especially spots with the color,

772
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 3: Like the color was so good getting him out of

773
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 3: trouble being the soft contact pitch on the edges.

774
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: Now it's just.

775
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 3: He's a fastball down the middle in the middle and

776
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 3: a color that kind of missed, and it's just he

777
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 3: doesn't look comfortable.

778
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: The team doesn't look comfortable with him.

779
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 3: Carlos Mendoza is throwing him, not shade, but not giving

780
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 3: him avow the confidence either, like at least Manaia kind

781
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 3: of a prelude something else I want to talk about,

782
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 3: kind of Saren Dippis for playing the Tigers right now.

783
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 3: I know if I tell Sean and I like, give go,

784
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 3: give me sixty pitches, like Sean manow give me crazy

785
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 3: good sixty pitches. Yes, I don't think I was saying

786
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 3: it could do that right now.

787
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's mentally able to do that.

788
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: It seems like a lot of the game for him

789
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: is so mental and finicky.

790
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 2: It is for everybody.

791
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: It is for everybody, but like specifically him, like if

792
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: he doesn't go out and feel great mentally, it's like

793
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: he can't get past that.

794
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 3: Remember the comments from spring training, Yeah that he felt

795
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 3: god didn't feel good, so wasn't ready to do things

796
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 3: yet like bizarre, like it's it does seem like maybe

797
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 3: maybe he's thinking about this stuff too much.

798
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: I think he is, man, I think he is.

799
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: It's just like at some point he has to go

800
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: out there, and which is also probably a little bit

801
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: different than a lot of the other guys on this team,

802
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: where's like, maybe think a little bit more about what's

803
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: going on, like try and tighten up a little bit.

804
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: One of those guys being Sean Minai, who I think

805
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: needs to maybe take a little deeper look at what's

806
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: going on and try and figure out what's going wrong

807
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: rather than being like I feel great.

808
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: I don't know why this is happening.

809
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 3: While we're saying all of these things about Kodei, I

810
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 3: also do want to tell people that the way that

811
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 3: the Mets community seem to turn on him of late,

812
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 3: there's people again like the these are like the bottom

813
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 3: of the depths of hell of Mets relicks. Yes, they're

814
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 3: like cut him DFA, he can't come on his team

815
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 3: next year.

816
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: The contract's a disaster. It's making like thirteen mils Free.

817
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 3: It's an incredible contract no matter what, even if he's

818
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 3: even if he's a reliever, it's a good contract.

819
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: As we know, people do not understand how contracts work,

820
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: especially in baseball. Starting pitchers get paid fifteen million dollars

821
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: if you can go out there and roll the ball

822
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: to home plate. So thirteen million for CODEI who has

823
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,479
Speaker 1: the ability to be an all star caliber picture has

824
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: the ability to be a frontline starter. We've seen that

825
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: that's so worth the risk and so worth the money.

826
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 2: You take that chance every single time.

827
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 3: Hang it's cool also colda saying it is teaching people

828
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 3: how little the ra matthers. Yes, because he's got the

829
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 3: worst three ora I've ever seen in my life far

830
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 3: this season. It is also funny looking back to when

831
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 3: he was really good at the beginning of the year,

832
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 3: but it was a lot of lack of a better term,

833
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 3: bullshit where he was just kind of getting wriggling his

834
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 3: way out of these jams, like throwing enough ghost fork.

835
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 3: It's just it's it seems so far away right now,

836
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 3: and it doesn't feel like there's an obvious fix at all.

837
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 3: It's the same sadly goes for Manaia where it does

838
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 3: feel like Manya gets the surgery clears up those loose

839
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 3: bis and his elbow that we've heard about. He probably everything,

840
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 3: probably just elevates itself a little bit. He probably sustains

841
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 3: the stamina bed. He probably throws a little bit harder.

842
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 3: He probably gets the gets the that right that right arm,

843
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 3: the right are moving on that breaking ball more often

844
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 3: in season.

845
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know how that.

846
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: Could possibly happen. Do you find it weird he lowered

847
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: his arm slot again this year?

848
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: Right? More so?

849
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: I think I feel like I've heard that somewhere. Maybe

850
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: you can tell me if that's true or not before

851
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: I say my take. But yeah, Manaya, being as poor

852
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: as he has been, has been frustrated.

853
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 2: Oh he has.

854
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, So why there's a big school of thought that

855
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 3: lowering your ar mangle it just takes less stress off

856
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 3: the elbow.

857
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: We know.

858
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: So then that would play into the loose bodies then,

859
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: so you know, the albums bothering him. So maybe it's

860
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: not even a conscious thing. Maybe it's something that he

861
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: has to.

862
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 3: Do because or it could be conscious because they know

863
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 3: that it's just not that healthy. Like I think two

864
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 3: guys this year who've done this consciously, really really successfully

865
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 3: are Paul s Kens and Garat Crochet. Yeah, because I

866
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 3: think those are two guys who are like, we are

867
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 3: intending to be horses, Yes, to be horses, we need

868
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 3: to take some strain off other parts of our body

869
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 3: and like put it to other places. I think they

870
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 3: both kind of drastically lowered their armstaws this year. Chris

871
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 3: Sale did the same thing. He got hurt diving for

872
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 3: a ball as his team was ten games at the

873
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 3: first place.

874
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: But that's neither here nor there.

875
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 3: It is interesting that this happened because I think everyone

876
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,479
Speaker 3: in baseball right now is just trying to look the

877
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 3: next frontier is how to keep these pictures healthier. Yes,

878
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 3: so I think if there's a way to do it,

879
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 3: people are happily trying to do it. But now it

880
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 3: does get put you in a situation where it's probably

881
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 3: is hard to repeat these things because we're got Sean

882
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 3: and I got drastically different arm angles every single year.

883
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 3: Like that's a hard thing. You keep changing that groove

884
00:32:58,880 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 3: your arm is moving in.

885
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: And then you wonder why it doesn't look like last year.

886
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: It's like, well, you're not the same as you were

887
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: last year. You're not doing anything the same in terms

888
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: of how you're throwing the baseball. Besides, like miles per

889
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,719
Speaker 1: hour technically.

890
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 3: I mean, the pitch movement isn't that different though, So again,

891
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 3: maybe it's the fact that he has to lower his

892
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 3: arm a little bit to exert the same amount of

893
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 3: force to get the same pitch movement, because we know

894
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 3: the velocity is down, like Sean and I are now

895
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 3: is averaging ninety one with that fastball. But the craziest

896
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 3: thing about Manaia is happening to build Kodai too, and

897
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 3: they say it's every episode these graty, these crazy grains

898
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 3: of velocity, Like you know, there's always a moment in

899
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 3: these games where Sean and I lose it and it's gone, yeah,

900
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 3: because he just can't throw hard anymore. So again that

901
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 3: kind of plays into this lowering the arm slot and

902
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 3: still getting similar pitch movement coming from a slightly lower spot.

903
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 3: But again that's probably an exertion thing where he knows

904
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 3: to get that effort to get to that same spot

905
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 3: like the way he was able to throw it last year,

906
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 3: He's try a little harder. If tries lit hard's gonna

907
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 3: hurt elbow a little bit more. He dropped down a

908
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 3: little bit. Yeah, I don't know, it's bizarre. Who are

909
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 3: you more concerned about?

910
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: Give me a one two three Peterson manaia code ee

911
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: And I mean should we throw Clay Homes in there too?

912
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 3: You know everything we say about Clay Hoome, he's still

913
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 3: the exact same thing the whole time.

914
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: Is the same guy.

915
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 3: It's kind of hilarious how Clayholmes continues to do the

916
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 3: exact same thing every single start. Like again, like that

917
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 3: start on Thursday, he got so failed by his defense

918
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 3: and a bunch of dinks and dunks. And this is

919
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 3: the Clay Holmes thing. I don't really love watching his starts.

920
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 3: In terms of like my rankings of pitcher watchability in

921
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 3: Major League Baseball, Clay Holmes is behind ninety five percent

922
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 3: of the league right now.

923
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: Not a fun watch.

924
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 3: If you're a fan of a different baseball team and

925
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 3: you want to watch the Mets, I would advise you

926
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 3: to avoid the Clay Holmes days. Pick any other day

927
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 3: watch this team. But there's no concern because he's the

928
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 3: same dude still. And it's definitely codai and ayah and

929
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 3: a lot of space than Peterson's right, because again, the

930
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 3: Mets probably do have a window where you're getting McGill back,

931
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 3: probably this week. Brands pro seems like he's coming up imminently.

932
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 3: Just he didn't get called up with the September guys

933
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 3: because he just threw seven innings.

934
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 2: You don't want to put him on the roster and

935
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 2: not use him.

936
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 3: It seems like we got a window here to do

937
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 3: some tiger shit where you have a couple of these

938
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 3: anchors on the on the ends of this rotation and

939
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 3: then like other guys are just going out there the pitch.

940
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: No, it is true. You just go pitch. They have to.

941
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 1: I think that's probably the best way, especially two days

942
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: a week while the Mets still have a nice, okay

943
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: lead right now over the Reds for that last wild

944
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: card Spokers. Truthfully, that's really the only thing I'm concerned

945
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: about right now is just making the playoffsolutely. I don't

946
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: think the NL East is really in reach anymore after

947
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 1: you lose three or four to the Marlins like that,

948
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: But we have to make sure we're executing still and

949
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: like as much as we would love to get Sean

950
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: man Iyah and Code I right and make sure that

951
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: these guys can go deeper into games and be those

952
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: pitchers we hope they can be in the postseason.

953
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 2: Got to win the baseball games.

954
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: And if them pushing it and going longer into the

955
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: games is going to give us less of a chance

956
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: to win, we should not be trying to do that.

957
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,439
Speaker 2: And literally, especially because manayah it happens. It's the same

958
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: thing every time.

959
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 3: Though the beginning of the game sucked to today, but

960
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 3: today today the beginning game was worse, but wasn't as

961
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 3: bad as the end of the game, right, well, yeah,

962
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 3: that was that was I mean Jamia Jones first pitch

963
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 3: of the game takes some four to thirty. You're like,

964
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 3: this is not gonna be a good start, but it

965
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 3: was literally exactly because I have it on stackcast. It

966
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 3: was the forty second fastball, forty third fast play through

967
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 3: in his.

968
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 2: Game, which was about the sixty fifth pitch.

969
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, over and you and then you see him inch

970
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 3: up and try and get the velocity back. Then he

971
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 3: loses everything else and it's just like there has to

972
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 3: be some other player learn But again, like I think

973
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 3: that Manaia puts this pressure on himself because he knows

974
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 3: the contract he has. You know he's a leader in

975
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 3: this team, like he's been hanging out with Tong like

976
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 3: every single day, Like he has an or in this clubhouse,

977
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 3: and he wants to live up to that.

978
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 2: So I understand from.

979
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 3: A competitors standpoint, wanting to give your team, would you

980
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 3: think you owe your team?

981
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 2: Yes.

982
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 3: At the same time, this probably has to be a

983
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 3: conversation happens with all the people involved, be like, hey, Sean,

984
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 3: look at this this right here, right here, right here,

985
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 3: six right pitch right here.

986
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 2: Just throw sixty five good pitches, man, like it's awesome.

987
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 3: And here and Brandon Spro's gonna come in after you

988
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 3: with a very different slot. They're a very different form

989
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 3: of attack. And we're gonna keep getting these guys out,

990
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 3: Like that's just what's going to happen. And yeah, maybe

991
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 3: just like his debut, maybe just piggybacks on Code, Maybe

992
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 3: we just put these guys together, Yeah, and we just

993
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 3: figure that that way. I was they both looked really

994
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 3: good in that that star. Oh no, that was he

995
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 3: piggyback on Clay Holmes. That game Code just came back

996
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 3: that weekend. But he could piggyback on Clay Holmes, why

997
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 3: not the great pickback to Clay Homes throws up here,

998
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 3: shom and I throws down here. That'd be an awesome

999
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 3: way to change up the hit.

1000
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 1: Is eye works for both of them too, because Manaya,

1001
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: righty's are gonna mash him right now in the current

1002
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: version that he's in, and lefties are gonna mash play

1003
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: Homes like they have. So it's like being being able

1004
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: to be like, okay Mania starts this game, you're gonna

1005
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: get all righty's in the lineup. Oh, here comes Clay

1006
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 1: Homes if they're gonna want to get those left handed bats,

1007
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: and they're gonna have to make substitutions, and then all

1008
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: of a sudden you start playing matchups games. It's it's

1009
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,439
Speaker 1: that's like fun baseball in the most chaotic way.

1010
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 3: And we have this set right now where we're playing

1011
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 3: these all these games out off day in a row,

1012
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 3: like going all the way back to Atlanta last week,

1013
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 3: or going back to Washington week before that after the

1014
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 3: Seattle Williamsport game that was our last off day for

1015
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 3: a minute, I'm remembering our schedule correctly. Once this ends,

1016
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 3: we get off days and the season's over. Yeah, So

1017
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 3: it's kind of like especially just getting through this next week,

1018
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 3: especially playing the two teams that you're most competitive with

1019
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,439
Speaker 3: right now for the liberal playoff seeding position, especially even

1020
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 3: going getting the Padres coming in town next week, you

1021
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,479
Speaker 3: should start to treat these little bit like playoff games,

1022
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 3: at least until you have the cushion that means you clinch.

1023
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 3: And with that being said, it's probably even just mentally

1024
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 3: getting these guys ready for the shore of their outings.

1025
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 3: Like that's something that I think just really benefit this team.

1026
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 3: And it's I don't know, is it weird that they

1027
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 3: haven't tried it yet.

1028
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: I don't think it's weird, But I think we're getting

1029
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: to the point now where we cannot continue to try it.

1030
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 2: I feel like hopefully not to try it.

1031
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like hoping for a change in mania

1032
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: and code I is wishful thinking, but we're not seeing it.

1033
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: We're not seeing it right now and I don't know

1034
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: if we see it this season, And that just might

1035
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: have to be the reality of the situation is that

1036
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: those guys are not the pictures that you hope they

1037
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: were coming into the season. But that doesn't mean that

1038
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: they can't be effective. It doesn't mean that they can't

1039
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: make an impact for this team in a smaller role.

1040
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,919
Speaker 3: Again similar to the exactly what we're talking about from

1041
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 3: the depths of Syracuse. Brandon Wadell comes out of the

1042
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 3: ballpen on Sunday and saves this team. If Brandon Wadell

1043
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 3: doesn't throw that it was a four and third scoreless

1044
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 3: innings after COVI, Like we don't get to burn through

1045
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 3: our bullpen and winning increments after Seam and I can't

1046
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 3: escape the fourth inning and actually somehow hang on to

1047
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 3: win this game against the Tigers Monday, Like these things

1048
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 3: are stacking up when you have all these games in

1049
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 3: a row without off day, And.

1050
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 2: It was pretty remarkable what he was able to do.

1051
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 3: But again, like we as of the middle of this week,

1052
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 3: I'm assuming we have enough starting pictures where that doesn't

1053
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 3: have to be Brandon Wadell anymore.

1054
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 2: No, that could just that could Sean and I could

1055
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 2: be Brandon Wadell. Yeah, why not? Like that?

1056
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 3: To me, that kind of it just it feels like

1057
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 3: it makes sense, like maybe we're way off on this.

1058
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 3: It just seems like that's a really beneficial way to

1059
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: handle what's becoming a strange glut of starting pictures while

1060
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 3: not actually trusting any of them to actually get you

1061
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 3: five or six in.

1062
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 2: I trust two guys, trust three. We still trust Peter.

1063
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 2: You're just still trust Peterson. I trust three McLean Jonah

1064
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 2: than David Peterson. It's crazy, it's crazy to say.

1065
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: Out loud, but those those three are definitely the in

1066
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 1: the trust circle.

1067
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 2: Those are the three big names right now in my circle.

1068
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 2: It's funny too.

1069
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 3: The last episode that we came out with was the

1070
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 3: was the after the Philly series, and we were just

1071
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 3: foaming at the mouth.

1072
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: I know this, all this happened in the last couple days.

1073
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 3: You're just like, all right, it's It was a good

1074
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 3: reality check because it did feel like we were back

1075
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 3: on like the crazy this is a great team path

1076
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 3: and that it was just be fair since he's never stopped.

1077
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: Most most of that was because the offense is hitting,

1078
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: and the offense is still mashing.

1079
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 3: Completely mashing again, like this is Java shavas guy always

1080
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 3: now always.

1081
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: Not wrong, just early he had not wrong, just Earli

1082
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: Eric always always knew what he was doing. Same thing

1083
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: with Jeremy Barnes. Can't forget him too. Always trusted on

1084
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: top of the entire.

1085
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 3: Organizational approach here because the organizational approach is stupid good

1086
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 3: right now. It's amazing that we're gonna get to a

1087
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 3: spot possibly by the end of the year. They stayed

1088
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 3: this hot where Fiazo some baby could wind up with

1089
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 3: seven fifty opss.

1090
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: You know.

1091
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 2: And this season really funny too.

1092
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: I think I heard a stat today on the broadcast

1093
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: that Gary was saying that the Mets have the sixth

1094
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: most home runs in Major League Baseball and they are

1095
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: the fifth most stolen bases. That's like one of the

1096
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: most modern fun teams ever.

1097
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 3: Oh you want another one? Yeah, I think second or

1098
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 3: third highest ops and all the baseball runs in scoring position.

1099
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 3: Nice for the season, for the season, No, it is funny,

1100
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 3: like we've gotten so unmistakably hot that it's just it's

1101
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 3: we're dragging up all of these false seasons where everything

1102
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 3: looks amazing right now and once.

1103
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: So it is a big reason why he at his

1104
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: first home run today as a New York met with

1105
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: runners on or three runners on.

1106
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that was a that was pretty good. Shout

1107
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 2: out on soda. It was his first Grand Slam since

1108
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: I think it was twenty twenty three. Yeah, only a

1109
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 2: second Grand Slam ever of his career.

1110
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 3: That's kind of funny. I guess he was hit so

1111
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 3: high in the oil. It's hard to get the eight

1112
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 3: and nine hitters on that off except with the padres

1113
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 3: when they hit him forth.

1114
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1115
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 3: Quick also shot at Louis Trenz. Trend's been hitting, been

1116
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 3: hitting really well. Obviously plays great defense. We know, takes

1117
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 3: a beating every single game.

1118
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 2: Yeah he gets there.

1119
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: He gets hit with more foul balls and everything than

1120
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: any catcher I've ever seen. Like, imagine if Francisco Alvarez

1121
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: got hit with the balls that he did, knowing how

1122
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: soft Francisco Aavarez his bones are.

1123
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 3: Like Francisco Alvas is still out there taking batting practice,

1124
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 3: trying to come back on one hand as trains u

1125
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 3: sel In the stumbling the man, the other hand of

1126
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 3: brookn Pinky, Like it's remarkable how hard he's trying to

1127
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: come back right now. But there was a moment where

1128
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 3: u Terentz got hurt back to back plays. Terrentz couldn't

1129
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 3: jump up and catch the Ryan stank the highest lade

1130
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 3: I've ever seen. Then bad Keith was absolutely chastising the

1131
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 3: one He don't know, the one down position for catchers.

1132
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 2: How about next pitch? What I was, how about Ryan

1133
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 2: Sandy throw a strike?

1134
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: How about how about don't throw a slider that's supposed

1135
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: to be in the dirt well above the catcher's head.

1136
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 3: He's probably just going to be cut for broad this week,

1137
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,439
Speaker 3: but we'll cross that bridge to it. But the next pitch,

1138
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 3: Luis Trenz gets nailed right in the middle of his calf,

1139
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 3: and you know that's not only a moment where you

1140
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 3: get hurt. Like once I saw it hit the meaty

1141
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 3: spot the calf, out of the bone, I was like,

1142
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 3: he's not injured, but that hurts so fucking badly, Oh

1143
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 3: right now, directly like seeing the seeing the big black

1144
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 3: bruise in the middle of your calf. The next week

1145
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 3: and a half, it's like, this is this is the

1146
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 3: worst thing I've ever felt. That's why you get in

1147
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 3: the shower.

1148
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: You're like, oh my god, why why did this have

1149
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 2: to happen?

1150
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: What I see on the notes could kind of put

1151
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: a bow on all the games. Here my dad's comments

1152
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: about sterns in Big Market.

1153
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 2: I gotta know what that means.

1154
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, I forgot about that. This is me and

1155
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 3: my dad were just galaxy braining today. Have a nice

1156
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,959
Speaker 3: have a nice time labor day at the Hiano family Pool.

1157
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 3: So I think a lot of people pretend that David

1158
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 3: Stern's kind of, I don't know how to phrase this,

1159
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 3: can't handle the big market, doesn't do the big market

1160
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 3: well enough because he still tries to live like kind

1161
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 3: of below the average player's salary, trying to find his

1162
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 3: diamonds in the rough. This that the other thing, but

1163
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 3: that had the reverse take, But that thinks that there's

1164
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 3: been a little bit of inhibition thrown to the wind,

1165
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 3: and now David starts in the big market. You can

1166
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 3: kind of see it with the way the edges of

1167
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 3: this roster have come out, specifically the signings this offseason

1168
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 3: that I think one people love, the one people hate

1169
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 3: at the beginning. But as of right now, we're not

1170
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 3: getting much of media these guys. And it's the thirty

1171
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 3: eight million dollars combined to Frankie Montas and Sean Manaya. Yes,

1172
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 3: where you know, if David Serons is still in small

1173
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 3: market Milwaukee signing him, he's not giving either of those

1174
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 3: contracts at he's spending that money was still well below

1175
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 3: trying to build up guys on waivers, trying to do

1176
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 3: all that nonsense, but the fact that he was like, yeah, sure,

1177
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 3: let me buy some innings, you know what I mean,

1178
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 3: it may have crowded the rotation to a point with

1179
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 3: lack of production that he would not have done if

1180
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 3: he was still using the small market mentality.

1181
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: I can totally buy that take. I think that I

1182
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: think that's a great take. Well done, mister Chiano, Well

1183
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: well done those takes.

1184
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 2: No, but it was. It was funny.

1185
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 3: So I also want to do a few media marvels

1186
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 3: this episode. There's one I really want to do, but

1187
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 3: I think we'll save it maybe for a little later

1188
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 3: in the season.

1189
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 2: And it was because of the It was the original

1190
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: media Marvel.

1191
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 3: It was for Buster only because in last April he

1192
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 3: said that the Mets wouldn't compete anytime soon in the

1193
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 3: p and the farm system had no high level pitching prospects.

1194
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 2: We've we've again, We've gotten to the end of that.

1195
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 3: Yes, I think that will get into a good spot there,

1196
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna wait for probably a more marquee moment

1197
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 3: to really pipe.

1198
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: In some old audio shows ut his own episode. It

1199
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 2: might it might be a buster.

1200
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 3: It might be the Buster Only memorial media marvel because

1201
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 3: that was if you guys go back. That was the

1202
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 3: first media Marvel we ever did. That was the reason

1203
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 3: I invented the segment was when he wrote that in

1204
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 3: an article. I want to do another one, and it's

1205
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 3: for Jack McMullin. Jack is a good, burgeoning baseball personality.

1206
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 2: He's the Marlins radio guy. He's part of the just

1207
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: Baseball community. Aarm is a dog.

1208
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 3: They do good content over there. But people up a

1209
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 3: video before the game. I believe it was on Saturday

1210
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 3: because Marlins were in town. He's announcing the radio games.

1211
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: He goes and sits in all the way in the

1212
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 3: upper deck the back row of city field, in the

1213
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 3: outfield upper deck, and he does a pan. Hard to

1214
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 3: believe they sell this seat. And I think it was

1215
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 3: somewhat complimentary of the Mets, because the Mets do sell

1216
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 3: out a bunch of games. But that was a I

1217
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 3: think a crazy take, being shocked that you could sell

1218
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 3: like the last seat in the house.

1219
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was weird.

1220
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: It was like one of those where I'm like, did

1221
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: he did he do this on purpose? Did he know

1222
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: this was gonna get this kind of reaction? Or is

1223
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: he surprised by the amount of people dunking on him

1224
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 1: because in one regard, I think what was getting missed

1225
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: to be his devil's advocate here is that because where

1226
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 1: you're sitting, the scoreboard does hang in front of you,

1227
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: like the out of town scoreboard hangs in front of you,

1228
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: but you actually still see the entire game. The only

1229
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: thing that that scoreboard is blocking is actually seeing across

1230
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: from you to see the other stands, to see the

1231
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: rest of the people sit in the upper deck. But

1232
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: for that seat, for that spot, it's not nearly as

1233
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: bad of you as there are in other seats at

1234
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: City Field, on the field level. In other stadiums you're

1235
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 1: sitting in front of columns where you can't literally watch

1236
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: the game. Yankee Stadium, the billion dollar stadium, where if

1237
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: you sit in certain spots in center field, but he

1238
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: can completely blocked you out.

1239
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: You could see half of the field.

1240
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: Like it was it's the worst seat in the stadium, sure, like,

1241
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: but it's the upper decks in left field.

1242
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 2: What did you expect again?

1243
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 3: I think that was him kind of being like, this

1244
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 3: is cool that the Mets sell these seats, like the

1245
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 3: fact that this is a team, especially being a Miami guy,

1246
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 3: being a Marlins guy being like, I can't even comprehend

1247
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 3: when you probably you're announcing those Marlins games seats like that.

1248
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 2: Being filled unlessure at the World Baseball class Like yeah.

1249
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 3: Literally, then you can actually pack that place because baseball

1250
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 3: people want to see But I think that was a

1251
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 3: very funny moment, being like, wow, imagine a seat in

1252
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 3: the upper deck, like this is so far into me, I.

1253
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: Can I've sat around there for some playoff games. It's like,

1254
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: for sure, that's you want to be in the stadium.

1255
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 2: You want to be there for the vibes.

1256
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: Cityfield is rocking, which is one thing that Mets fans

1257
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: keep on keeping on is that that place is packed NonStop.

1258
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: And also I saw a lot of replies to like,

1259
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: that's the cheapest ticket. I'll buy that, I'll walk around

1260
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: and I'll find somewhere else to watch the game, which

1261
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: is totally true.

1262
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 3: Again, I think it's a I think commending the Mets

1263
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 3: for being like, wow, they can actually sell this ticket,

1264
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 3: because the exact way things was hard to believe they

1265
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 3: sell this seat fair.

1266
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

1267
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: Like literally again, but could that be taken as hard

1268
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: to believe they sell like seems like too nice of

1269
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: a guy. I know, he is a very nice guy.

1270
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: That's why it's like, I don't even like media Marvel

1271
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: and he's a very nice guy. This is the This

1272
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: is the most like friendly media Marvel ever. It was

1273
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 1: just like, damn, what the fuck was this sweet?

1274
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just because I think a lot of

1275
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 3: Mets fans took it like hey, fuck you. But I

1276
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 3: don't think that was all the intention of this in

1277
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 3: any way, shape or form. But at the same time,

1278
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 3: it is funny again the shock of a Marlins person

1279
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 3: being like, Wow, I magine they can sell this seat.

1280
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: Also really cool to see someone like in the content

1281
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: world become like a play by play announcer. That's like

1282
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: something we don't see across over much of Yeah, very

1283
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: very cool for that.

1284
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 3: And again just baseball great content, Aaron's prospectless incredible Jack

1285
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 3: good radio announcer. But it's it's that's what we caught

1286
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 3: me really off guard that day were I was like,

1287
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 3: what that was? What you're talking about? Like, what are

1288
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 3: you talking about right now? Is like, because my first

1289
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 3: mar scepters are up. I was like, you're talking shit,

1290
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 3: you're talking about the Mets. You say anything about the

1291
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 3: they field? I don't think it was though, So okay,

1292
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 3: it's just I think it was funny to see about that.

1293
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 3: But that was kind of that was the five games here.

1294
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 3: That was the Marlin series plus a little bit of

1295
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 3: the Tigers, and you know it all directions you want

1296
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 3: to go any of the narrative things that you don't

1297
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 3: think we discussed deep enough here.

1298
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: I'm really trying to think. It's hard when you have

1299
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: this many games. I don't know how people do like

1300
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: a weekly podcast. I feel like I'm out of the

1301
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: loop because I haven't talked about every single game in

1302
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: depth since the last time you guys heard from us.

1303
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, we mentioned Kristevinski's incredible performance. He's the main he

1304
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 2: continues to only pitch well when he gets called up

1305
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 2: to this team. I think he just deserves a spot.

1306
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 2: It's funny, though, I do. I think, what what do

1307
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: you think about the Phillies getting Walker Buller?

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00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 1: That'll be the last thing I want to talk about

1309
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: because the Mets definitely had a chance because the Phillies

1310
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: would have a worse waiver than the Mets.

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00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 2: Right now, Yeah, I would have given him a look,

1312
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 2: I think, I don't know.

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00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 3: I think that is he that cooked he based on

1314
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 3: what we know day other wise, I think he's that cooked.

1315
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 3: I know my guy Rob has the take that he

1316
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 3: was just definitely using sticky stuff last year, and I

1317
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 3: know our Foul Territory guys echoed that take, not knowing it,

1318
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 3: but like they were referencing that that could have been

1319
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 3: possible at the end last season.

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Speaker 1: We also know through conversations that we've had with pitchers

1321
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: that the last few games that he hitch, the wind

1322
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: was in his face, which is why his ivy B

1323
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: numbers were off the fucking charts in those games because

1324
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: with the wind in the face the ball going, you

1325
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: actually get a lot a lot of headwind for ivy B,

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00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: which is kind of crazy.

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00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 3: I don't know that that was That play with came

1328
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 3: where I was watching him and Sevrin know can like

1329
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 3: exchange twenty one inch yeah, ivy B fastballs.

1330
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: I was like, what the fuck's going on? How is

1331
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 2: this going on? These guys don't do that shit? Was

1332
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 2: I teleport to twenty nineteen?

1333
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: Don't I would have taken a flyer on him, just

1334
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: because especially knowing that, like I don't know, Ryan Stanek

1335
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: has a spot in this bullpen right now, Like there's

1336
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: there's I think we know that Ryan Stanick spot is

1337
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: going to Brandon Sprouts any second has to be or

1338
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: also like does that Hagen win in Wadell's spot?

1339
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 2: Technically probably?

1340
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 3: I mean probably though, but I mean one of those

1341
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 3: guys will go to McGill and then you keep one

1342
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 3: of them up because then McGill and sprote are optional.

1343
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 3: You know, maybe great bullpen arms God or just great

1344
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 3: three inning arms to get us through these weeks, like

1345
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 3: Telkota saying, hey man, you're getting the line up one time,

1346
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 3: Like maybe that's how he can mentally help himself, the

1347
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 3: fact that he can just focus through a little bit harder.

1348
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 3: I think Koda Sengle was throwing a tick harder. I

1349
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 3: think this will all be fix almost in a second. Sure, yeah,

1350
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 3: you can't throw ninety four. If you stow in ninety

1351
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,240
Speaker 3: six ninety seven, it helps.

1352
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

1353
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 3: Like right now he's peaking at like ninety seven, like

1354
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 3: one or two ninety eights and like a few ninety six,

1355
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 3: is that mostly sitting in ninety five and drop that

1356
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 3: ninety three ninety four If his minimum could be ninety

1357
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 3: five and he can go all the way up to

1358
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 3: ninety nine. Like, I think that helps a lot of

1359
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 3: the issues that he's having, and maybe that happens. We

1360
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 3: should also shout out two guys who've been very good

1361
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 3: in this ballpen Brooks, Raley and Gregorio help. Remember this

1362
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 3: whole year we had no leftist. Now we have two,

1363
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 3: two good we actually trust tremendously. And at the same time,

1364
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 3: Ryan Helsey Man, what the fuck figure it out, bro,

1365
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 3: he can't do anything right ude his.

1366
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: Outing on Monday.

1367
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,919
Speaker 3: I was watching it and I've never seen an adding

1368
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 3: like that in my life at any level of baseball.

1369
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 3: Maybe like parts of the minor leagues are little league.

1370
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 3: He threw five pitches, four put in play, three were hits,

1371
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 3: and they were smoked.

1372
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Speaker 1: I think almost we're at the point now where the

1373
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: pitch tipping thing is like gotten crazy. We're like, I

1374
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: don't mentally, I don't think he can actually pitch because

1375
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: all he's thinking about is not tipping his pitches.

1376
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 2: He it's like the command was so bad.

1377
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 3: And some of those pitches that he threw, like the

1378
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 3: one that got him pulled and I commend cross from

1379
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 3: those are for just yank Kim not even letting give

1380
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 3: them a chance get through that land that came out

1381
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 3: of hand like it was a slide there that wasn't

1382
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 3: even on the plate to Zach McKinstry, but it was

1383
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 3: belt high. Just it was so easy for Hi to

1384
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 3: get his hands on that slider. Like he he now

1385
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 3: was throwing the fastballs low in the zone and again

1386
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 3: like he got again the one pitch that wasn't swung it,

1387
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 3: he got a call strike on it. Yeah, but it

1388
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 3: just seems like if if they're sitting on that fastball

1389
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 3: and the fastball is coming to you thigh high, like

1390
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 3: you're just going to hit that pitch.

1391
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: He seems very very hit herble And I'm like, where

1392
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: the where's the Ryan missed the old Hellsley.

1393
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 3: I just I I've been trying to explain to my

1394
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 3: dad what Brian Hill's used to look like like a

1395
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 3: month ago, when he.

1396
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: Was a top ten reliever in baseball for three four years,

1397
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he gets here and he's like,

1398
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: I forgot how to pitch, can't do anything.

1399
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 3: It's just it's literally the in verse Addison read, because

1400
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 3: this is the classic Mets lord thing that we're gonna

1401
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 3: talk about for a long time.

1402
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 2: But it was.

1403
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 3: It's really disappointing to watch this happen over and over

1404
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 3: again because as much like as we need from guys

1405
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 3: in his bullpen, the fact he just can't even get out, No,

1406
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,240
Speaker 3: it puts everybody's disadvantage.

1407
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 2: Like he had to pull in Brooks Railey early.

1408
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 3: He has to go through an updown which is not

1409
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 3: a Brooks really thing, gives up a run after the updown,

1410
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 3: and thankfully Edwin Di has clean the mess and just

1411
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 3: still be completely disgusting. But it's it's same with Stantic

1412
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 3: like standing technically didn't give up.

1413
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 2: A run today.

1414
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 3: You should let that inherited the runner score because you

1415
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 3: have to a slyer thirty feet above home plate.

1416
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 2: Like it's it's a pain to watch some of these guys.

1417
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're struggling, but hopefully things turn around. We

1418
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: got anything else to talk about here or we will

1419
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: catch you guys pretty much.

1420
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 2: After I Caues should tell you guys who's pitching the

1421
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 2: next two games? Seper serious as well? Yeah, should we'll

1422
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 2: do that. We're here technically serious.

1423
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 3: Preview for the series Alalyy began So Tuesday six forty

1424
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 3: star time you ready for the six to forty Star Time.

1425
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 2: On Tuesday, Nolan McClain versus Sawyer Gibson long oh.

1426
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: Is well that guy, what's his deal? I feel like

1427
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: the fantasy like Nick Pollock Love Sawyer Gibson long right?

1428
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 2: Yes, why do you think?

1429
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 3: Nick Pollock Love Sawyer Gibson a long, good name, well,

1430
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 3: mustache extension seven crazy extension and really good command of

1431
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 3: multiple pitches. Sawyer Gibson along was Also he's one of

1432
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 3: those guys like I got weapons for both sides to plate,

1433
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 3: like I'm ready to go. I got a fastball, a sinker,

1434
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 3: a change up of color, a slider, like I've got

1435
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 3: three things at least I'm mixing the each side of

1436
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 3: the guy. I'm releasing the ball right in front of

1437
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 3: your face like that's and he's good commands set as

1438
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 3: long as it's just a solid pitcher.

1439
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 2: Also Mercer College, Florida Duke. That's how I do. I

1440
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 2: was a Duke fan. Then there you go.

1441
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 3: And then Wednesday Mattine won ten. Clay Holmes with Casey

1442
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 3: Mice one ten game.

1443
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 2: We have an early podcast. It's incredible, incredible, so excited

1444
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 2: for that one. But yeah, Clay Holmes for his Casey

1445
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 2: Mice that's gonna be a fun one.

1446
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: I mean, Tiger's one to eighty games. It's good baseball team.

1447
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: Glad we took the first one. Let's win the series.

1448
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: Keep on moving from there. Otherwise, I think that's what

1449
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: we have. Frankie Peppers. We got Frankie.

1450
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 3: It's gonna be weird, Tim because it was right after

1451
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 3: the Marlins game ended, so I am curious about Frankie's

1452
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 3: tenor right here, let's see what we got.

1453
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 2: Let's see what Frankie's got.

1454
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 3: It was four twenty seven pm on Sunday, so it

1455
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 3: might even been before the last pitch was thrown.

1456
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 2: Let's see. Here's Franky.

1457
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 5: Gentlemen, this is Frankie Peppers. Hey, you know all you're doing.

1458
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,919
Speaker 5: Thank you to Sean for a fun time as City

1459
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 5: Field on Saturday. I got to see two one so

1460
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 5: at all home runs. It was great and everything was

1461
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 5: good and nothing bad happened that. We definitely didn't drop through.

1462
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 5: We out of four games to the Miami Mallege. We

1463
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 5: definitely didn't do that. Everything is bright, everything is good,

1464
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 5: Our pitching is perfect all the way through. For real, though,

1465
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 5: Joanna Tongue, come on, beautiful.

1466
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: Your low battery mode get you every time, and I

1467
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: forget have you ever charge of that phone?

1468
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 5: This team has we had a lossful words boys. I

1469
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 5: think more people need to make some more bolonnies get

1470
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 5: to get this team out of the boldrums.

1471
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 2: Anyway, I hope you boys are good. Happy Labor Day.

1472
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 2: I hope you.

1473
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 5: I hope you're having a good time at Bobby cueing

1474
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:40,280
Speaker 5: and eating all your summer foods. And and that's about it. Boyce,

1475
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 5: I don't know what's happening here. I don't know what's

1476
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 5: going on anymore.

1477
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 2: I don't know if they do either. But it's okay.

1478
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 5: We're gonna make the playoffs.

1479
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 2: I know it. Trust me, trust me, trust the sauce and.

1480
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 5: They'll talk to you boys soon.

1481
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,479
Speaker 2: Let's go mens, trust the sauce, you guys.

1482
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 3: Any bolonnes this week, make sure you tweet tag us

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00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:02,960
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1484
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 2: Definitely tag us for the ball and we do tag

1485
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: us man.

1486
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,799
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00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,480
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1488
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,719
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1489
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,200
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1490
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: at James Shadow I'm drafting Mark with the see Thank

1491
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: you guys for listening, thanks for watching. We'll catch you

1492
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: all after the Tiger series.

1493
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 2: Let's go Mets, Let's go Mets. Peace out, guys,