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Speaker 1: Radio about radio radio mommies, a myth and bullshit radio

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Speaker 1: phonic novella look at Radio hosted by Mala Munos. And

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Speaker 1: welcome back to Look at Radio. This is Malamunos and

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Speaker 1: and we want to thank you guys so much for

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Speaker 1: tuning in yet again to look at Radio. This is

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Speaker 1: number four. And before we jump into our new episode, UM,

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Speaker 1: we want to talk a little bit about what we

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Speaker 1: did last time. So on our last capitul, we served mommies,

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Speaker 1: mitchees and cheese. May are good friends, a few members

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Speaker 1: of the mommy collective. We're here to talk to us.

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Speaker 1: We had Yesa Salado, we had Catto otherwise known as Gorrita,

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Speaker 1: apple Bum and Mariza all here joining us talking about

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Speaker 1: self love, self care and mental health. We want to

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Speaker 1: extend a huge, huge, huge thank you to those ladies,

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Speaker 1: to those mommies and to everybody who tuned in. Um,

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Speaker 1: we've gotten such a welcome reception. We've been met with

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Speaker 1: so much love and enthusiasm, and we're really excited about,

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Speaker 1: you know, the new year to come seen and really

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Speaker 1: excited about this capitula in particular. So Ariana is gonna

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Speaker 1: is gonna start us off, um with some shoutouts because

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Speaker 1: we have a lot of people to think and to

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Speaker 1: shout out before we get started with our content. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so many people have helped us along the way to

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Speaker 1: exciting that we have a community behind us. Um. Again

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Speaker 1: i'd like to shout out me Via. They're in Highland

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Speaker 1: Park on Avenue fifty two and York. We're again recording here.

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Speaker 1: They're so dope they let us borrow the space after hours,

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Speaker 1: So again i'd like to shout out Noel dam and Adriana,

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Speaker 1: especially Ariana because she stays after hours to let us

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Speaker 1: Adrianna is also the artists who designed our logo UM,

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Speaker 1: we want to extend so many thank yous to Adriana

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Speaker 1: out to us. As always, um, look at the radio

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Speaker 1: We're talking about fem defense and we're gonna get into

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Speaker 1: a little bit um what does fem defense mean. This

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Speaker 1: is something that um Ariana and I have been discussing,

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Speaker 1: an idea that we've really been, you know, thinking about.

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Speaker 1: days after the New Year's starts. And really this episode

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Speaker 1: is a result of the election. After the election, after

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Speaker 1: lot of the fact that women really like we're at

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00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: the forefront and really we're organizing and bringing people together

428
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: and really keeping things moving over there. Um. So I

429
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: would locate Standing Rock as an example of fem defense, Yes,

430
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: I agree. Uh. And and then more like less formally,

431
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 1: in our own lives, what do we do to stay safe,

432
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,719
Speaker 1: to protect ourselves in our community, our fem defense, our

433
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: fem defense. Well, who, because I feel like most girls

434
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 1: right growing up, your mother, your grandmother, your thea, your

435
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 1: older sisters, your cousins, somebody probably gave you gave all

436
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 1: of us tips on how to stay safe and an

437
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: extremely in a world that's extremely dangerous for girls. I

438
00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 1: think my experience with being told how to protect myself

439
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: is also related to like my body being policed, so

440
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: like telling me what I can and cannot wear out

441
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: of protection to myself, right. Um. I think something that

442
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 1: a lot of us are probably told by our mom

443
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: is like, you know, you have to stay with your

444
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: legs closed. You know you can have your legs open

445
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: because you don't want anybody looking at you there or

446
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: like thinking a dirty thought, right, or like going to

447
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: the bathroom and impairs, um, never being alone if you're

448
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: going to be outside. So I feel like it was

449
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: like indirect to like self defense or like protection, but

450
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: it was also like shaming in a way because it's

451
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: like don't wear that, don't do this, don't do that,

452
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: you know. But I think at least for my mom

453
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: and the other folks that helped raise me, um, that

454
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: was their way of like trying to take care of me. Um.

455
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: I think now like as an adult, I've developed my

456
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: own type of like fem defense. Um. But yeah, I'm

457
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: interested to hear, like who taught you how to protect yourself.

458
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: I think that I had a very similar experience, especially

459
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: when you're like, well, my mom is very thin, and

460
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: my mom has always been very thin, and me and

461
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: my sister we take after my dad and his family,

462
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: and we're very nal gone now We've always happened Like

463
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: when I was, when I was already in like the

464
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: fifth grade, I was already wearing a bigger cup size

465
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 1: than then my mom and my thea's And I remember

466
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: I had a thea make a comment to me. I

467
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: must have been thirteen or fourteen, and she was an adult,

468
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 1: you know, and she already had her kids, and she

469
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: said to me like, oh, I didn't have curves like

470
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: that until I was six months pregnant. Yeah, you know,

471
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: So for for them, because my mom is and my

472
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,719
Speaker 1: mom and her sisters are very white looking and are

473
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: very thin and are just not as curvy as me

474
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: and my sister. So I think for them, and for

475
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: my mother there and my grandmother, there was a lot

476
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: of you know, you have to cover up, and because

477
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: anything that we wore looked or was perceived as more

478
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: sexual then on another kid who was who you know,

479
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: was skinnier. Sexualization of young girls young girls of color. Yes, oh, absolutely,

480
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: the hyper sexualization. I mean, I remember walking home from

481
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: school one day. I was a freshman in high school,

482
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: and I wasn't comfortable with any of my classmates yet,

483
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: so I wasn't comfortable asking anyone for a ride. So

484
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: I walked home one day and this white man in

485
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: a sucking Mercedes started following me down the street and

486
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: like parked next to me and wanted to try and

487
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: get me in his car. And I freaked out and

488
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: I started screaming and yelling, and I ran and I

489
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: ran to like the nearest church, and like, I walked

490
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: into the church. Safety. Yes, that was safety. Um. But yeah,

491
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: the policing of the body, um, policing of our dress

492
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: is often the I think for a lot of our

493
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: mothers is often the only like tangible piece of advice

494
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: and safety that they have for us. But on the

495
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: flip side, you know, I mentioned my father. My father's

496
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: mother was was very was different, and she was she

497
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: was a pachuca and she she was a farm worker.

498
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: She picked cotton and she picked grapes, and all of

499
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: her kids were child laborers and my dad was a

500
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: child laborer. And she used to carry a blade in

501
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: her hair, you know, and talk about fem defense, she

502
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 1: wouldn't wrat up. And she had very very very very curly,

503
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: very thick hair, and she would like rat it, wrat

504
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: it up like into a beehive and then stick her

505
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: blade in there, you know, so like the hair do

506
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: with the blade. And I'm like, goals, like I aspire,

507
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: But that's like what I think of when I think

508
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: of like fem defense, Like what why did she need

509
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: that blade? What was she up against? What kind of

510
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,959
Speaker 1: threats was she up against in her day to day

511
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: lives here in in her day to day life here

512
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: in California, being a woman of color, being a laborer,

513
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: being poor, being dark, you know, she must have been

514
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: facing a lot of different types of violence. So I

515
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: would I don't know. I think that I have that

516
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: influence that I know of that kind of fierceness, and

517
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: then I also have had that experience of well, the

518
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: way that we were taught to stay safe is by

519
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: muting ourselves. Um, but my my other grandma, you told

520
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: me a story once about back in Mexico on the

521
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: fucking Rancho she had to like pistol whip some guy.

522
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: And it's so funny because my grandma, she's so old

523
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: that the way she talks about it is like very nonchalant,

524
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: Like I think she was just washing dishans one day

525
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: and she was just mumbling under her breath. My Grandma Nach,

526
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: she's still alive. My other grandma with the switch blade

527
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: is Grandma Linda, and she passed away years ago. But

528
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: you know, so I feel like when the time comes

529
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: or when women in my family have been confronted with

530
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: that necessity, they've been able to deliver, you know, and

531
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: to defend themselves. And that's what inspires me. I know,

532
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: my mom also has similar stories where she would like

533
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: get into fights, Like my mom has gotten into fights,

534
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: and I feel like I wouldn't really like seeing my

535
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: mom and now I'm like, I don't see that, you know.

536
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: But you know, she also like knew how to protect

537
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: herself too. She's got into fights, She's gotten into her

538
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: few fights. You know, I'm sure, I'm sure. I like

539
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: what you said about like, um, I think we learned

540
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: to mute ourselves right to protect ourselves, and I think,

541
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: like for me, that's still something that I'm working through

542
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: because when I get like street harassed or I'm being

543
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: harassed by somebody, I like I choose to ignore it

544
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: because I don't feel safe, like because I will like

545
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: I will talk back, right, and I have a whole

546
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: lot of things to say. But if I'm out and

547
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: about by myself, like what happens if I say something

548
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: and then they fucking attack me? Right? And like there's

549
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: there's like actual there's actual stories of like women turning

550
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: down men and they killed them. Like this is not

551
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: like made up ship like this is actual, like terrorific

552
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: like inflicted upon women for saying no right, for protecting themselves,

553
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: for defending themselves. So I think for me, like I'm

554
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: still working through the like not being quiet part of it. Um.

555
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: And I think like aesthetically, like not only like my

556
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: nails serve as like aesthetic, but like they're my defense,

557
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: you know, Like I know that if I'm if I

558
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: ever need to use them, like I will use them

559
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: and they will protect me. You know, so many things

560
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: that like about my fem like aesthetic is like on

561
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: purpose and also like a part of my defense. Yeah,

562
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that one of the techniques

563
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: that we teach, and we're gonna do some little clips

564
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: of like tips and tricks for fem defense that we're

565
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: gonna put up on our I g so look out for. Though.

566
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: One of my favorite techniques that I always love to

567
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: teach is the eye gouge because it's so effective and

568
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: if you want to disable an attacker, that's the way

569
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: to do it. If you got if you have tips, claws, nails,

570
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: that's the technique for you. So make sure you check

571
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: out our instagram after we post this cup look because

572
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna be posting those different tips and tricks. But no, yeah,

573
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: and and it's very real. You know, I don't ever

574
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: want to give this I dealistic view of fem defense

575
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: that you know, defending yourself is going to always keep

576
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: you safe every time, and it always should only look

577
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: like this. That's not true. That's not true. You know.

578
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: In this episode, we're really just providing our individual experiences,

579
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: our tips, our tricks, you know, based on our personal

580
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: experiences and also research that we've done. UM, but self

581
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: defense or any type of martial art or any type

582
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: of weapon that you carry on you, nothing's a guarantee.

583
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what you all are going to be

584
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: facing and what you all are going to be up against.

585
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: And like the ASA said, there's very real examples here

586
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: in l A. You know, we track these things because

587
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: of the work that we do. But just right by

588
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: my house, not too long ago, there were I remember

589
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: there was a story about two young women who I

590
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: think but it must have been high school age, and

591
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: they were on Pico Boulevard at a bus stop, and

592
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: you might have read about this. Yeah, and these two

593
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: men in who I'm going to I'm going to assume

594
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: that they were Latino because this was in Pico Union. Um,

595
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna make the assumption, but I know that

596
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: two men drove up to these women, these girls, I

597
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: should say, because they were under age, they were high

598
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: school girls. They drove up to these girls at the

599
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: bus stop and said something to them or asked them out,

600
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: or wanted their phone numbers, and the girl said no.

601
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: So these guys drove away, and one of the girls

602
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: called her mother, and her mother showed up at the

603
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: bus stop. And while this girl was waiting for her

604
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: mom to show up, these guys went somewhere, got a

605
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: fucking gun and then drove back to the bus stop

606
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: and shot one of the girls and her mom. Right, So,

607
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: there's no guarantee that if you're if you stay quiet

608
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: in in a in a potential, potentially dangerous situation, that

609
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: you will be safe. If you're quiet, you could be

610
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: met with retaliation. There's no guarantee that if you defend

611
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: yourself you won't be met with violent retaliation. Because we

612
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: see examples daily almost of women doing one or the

613
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: other of staying quiet in the face of violence and

614
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: still being retaliated against, and women standing up for themselves

615
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: in the face of violence and still facing retaliation. I think, like, yeah,

616
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: what you're saying is really really important, and I think

617
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: it just reminded me of how we keep each other safe,

618
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: Like women, fems, we keep each other safe. You know.

619
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: I have a best friend who she trains in Brazilian

620
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu, and she's always like showing me like little

621
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: moves whenever I see her, Like she's trying to teach

622
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: me little things, and she's always encouraging me to take

623
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: a class with her. And that's something that's really out

624
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: of my comfort zone because it is like at it

625
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: like practically like an all male gym, So that's definitely

626
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: out of my comfort zone. But like just like her

627
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: her thought of me, like being like Hey, I really

628
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: want you to come do this with me, or like

629
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 1: even she sees me, she's like you let me show

630
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: you this, you know, And it's like we're looking out

631
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: for each other. We're constantly like thinking of people that

632
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: may need this, Like you're out of you're out in

633
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: the field, you know, you're out working and you're doing

634
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: this community work, like you you should know how to

635
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: do this, you know. So we're constantly like thinking about

636
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: each other and share check each other's shape. Yes, that's good.

637
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: Everybody should have a girlfriend, like find yourself a girlfriend

638
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: who's going to share knowledge with you and teach you,

639
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: you know, what they know, or maybe you could be

640
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Speaker 1: that person for your girlfriends. Yeah, I think like we're

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00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: going to leave a post. We're gonna we're post something

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00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: like a text image on our Instagram and we're we

643
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Speaker 1: would like for you to share like some of your tips, um,

644
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: some of your firm defense, how you how you you know,

645
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 1: stay safe and anything along the lines of that. We'd

646
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 1: love to hear from us. Please, um do that comment

647
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: or message us. But but I think we can make

648
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: this a community share, a community firm defense share. We

649
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: want all the firms all the more heads everybody. If

650
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: you have tips, if there's something you've learned along the way,

651
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: please comment and post on on our Instagram so everybody

652
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: can see if you're comfortable, you're comfortable. If not, like,

653
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: shoot us a d M, you know, so we can

654
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: we can engage in a conversation with either of us.

655
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: We would love to have that with Ali. Y'all. Yes,

656
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: And also what are your favorite like fem defense? Like

657
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: what do you do to keep yourself safe? Keep myself safe?

658
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: I stay fierce, constantly constant, like I think I'm always

659
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: on an alert. I never if I'm walking, I like

660
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: I never have headphones in. I know some people use

661
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: that as their firm defense because they don't want anybody

662
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: to talk to them. But for me, like, I feel

663
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: like that keeps me from being on the alert. I'm

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Speaker 1: always One thing in particular is if I'm at a restaurant,

665
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: I sit. Um, I will never sit with my back

666
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Speaker 1: to the door right, so I need to see everybody

667
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: that comes in and out. I like I always have

668
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: my eye to like, like, um, what is it like Lando?

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Speaker 1: So for me, that's how I like feel more comfortable.

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00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: I feel safe and if not, like just a simple

671
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: if i'm walking or I'm somewhere, I'll call somebody, like

672
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: you just stay on the phone with me while I

673
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: do this, because I'm feeling a little weird, you know.

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Speaker 1: So I think having those that type of like your

675
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: contact list, like who can you call if you're not

676
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: feeling safe? Yeah you know, yeah, No, those are really great.

677
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: So you practice a lot of awareness. Awareness is what

678
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Speaker 1: I'm hearing. And I do that too. In like, I

679
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: don't like having my back to the door or my

680
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: back exposed. I'd rather be up against the wall so

681
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: I can see everything in front of me. And I think,

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00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 1: I don't know where I learned that from, but it

683
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Speaker 1: just it makes me uncomfortable. I feel uncomfortable if my

684
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Speaker 1: back is exposed. Yeah, I don't like. I don't like

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00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: that people can see something that I can. It makes

686
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: me feel uneasy. Yeah, you know, No, that's really good.

687
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: And the definitely calling somebody I'm not afraid to. I've

688
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: taught myself where I've forced myself to not be afraid

689
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: to look at people in the eye when I'm on

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Speaker 1: the street. Um, and that I'm you know, whatever tips

691
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: that we share is what we're comfortable doing. I'm comfortable

692
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 1: practicing these things. So I do them because it makes

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Speaker 1: me feel secure. But if you're not comfortable doing these

694
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 1: things and don't do them, you know. Um, but one reason.

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00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of women, a lot of fems,

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00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: walking around a lot of us, and I noticed this

697
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: about myself. Will often, you know, look to the floor

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00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: or I'll avert our gaze when there's a man walking

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00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: towards us. And that can be a very safe thing

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Speaker 1: to do. Some men read something as simple as eye

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00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: contact as an invitation. For some men, just looking at

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00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: them is enough for them to bother you right the

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Speaker 1: For me, I, depending on the situation, I will look

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Speaker 1: whoever is approaching me or crossing my path or in

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00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: the same room as me, and if they make me uncomfortable,

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00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: I'll look them right in the eye so that they

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Speaker 1: know that I see them. If I have to, I

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Speaker 1: d that person for whatever reason. I can do it,

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Speaker 1: you know, because I've I've made it an intention to

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00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: look at them and they know that I see them.

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Speaker 1: That's something that I do. The other thing that I

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Speaker 1: like to do is you know, any time you're walking

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Speaker 1: by any type of like a car or a window

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Speaker 1: or reflective surface. Yeah, you know, like I like to

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00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: check myself out and you know if I look cute

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00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: or check on my outfit. But if you're looking in

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00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: a car, you can see a few feet behind you

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Speaker 1: and see if someone's following. Yeah, you do do that too,

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Speaker 1: that to do that good. Yeah, that's a really good one.

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Speaker 1: I like that one. I mean, keeping even if you

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Speaker 1: just have somebody if you're in a sticky situation and

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Speaker 1: you're not comfortable, maybe pulling out your phone something that

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Speaker 1: I've done and that you can do. Even if your

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Speaker 1: phone is just in your pocket and you have someone

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00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: on another call, if they can listen to what's happening,

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00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 1: that person is technically a witness to what's just occurred,

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00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: if they can hear what's going on. Right. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So those are I mean for me, those are like

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00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: some of the basic ones that that I practice just

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Speaker 1: here and there, especially on the street, just keeping myself safe. Yeah,

731
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: thank you for sharing those tips. I think they're they're

732
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: really important and I'm really excited to hear um or

733
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Speaker 1: to read what some of y'all are going to post

734
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Speaker 1: on our on our Instagram. So you don't like to

735
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 1: share with us, please share with us. And I'm wondering

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Speaker 1: did you, guys, I wonder how many of you or

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Speaker 1: ther side, did your mom or your grandma ever talked

738
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Speaker 1: to you about having a fucchi face out in public?

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Speaker 1: Fucci face? So what what? What would you how would

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Speaker 1: you define a fucchi face? Okay, fucci face? I guess

741
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: like now would be like kind of like your bitch face. Yes, yeah,

742
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: so it's just like the nobody bothers you. Yes, my

743
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: ugly face. Don't mess with me. I look. I like

744
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: to look mean, mean as hell, mean as hell, and

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00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: I don't give a funk like I'm sure maybe you've

746
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Speaker 1: had guys, Why are you mad? Why are you upset?

747
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: You should smile? Smile more know the funk I should not.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling yes, you know what. I feel like that's

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Speaker 1: something I developed as a as a teenager, as an

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Speaker 1: adult because my mom is like so smiling, So for me,

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00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: my mom would actually tell me to smile. Okay, so

752
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: I didn't get that, like right, but I feel like

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00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: it's something I developed afterwards, like being in being in

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00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: the world. I'm like, oh, ship, I gotta protect myself,

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00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, no, absolutely, it's so important. And your face,

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00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: ah yeah, like our faces. Sometimes we don't notice, but

757
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: if we get nervous, and we tend to smile when

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00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: we're nervous. You know, I don't want to police anybody's

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00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: facial expressions. You can't help it sometimes if you smile

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00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: when you're nervous. But it's good to know yourself and

761
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: to know your body, to know your get to know

762
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: your face. You know, how do you react physically when

763
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: you're in a difficult situation? How do you react physically

764
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: when you're you know, when you're you're you feel cornered.

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00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: You know, when you're nervous, do you smile? Is that

766
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: red as an invitation? You know, it's just good to

767
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 1: know yourself. You can practice your Futie face. Yes, practiced

768
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 1: in the mirror. That would be a Fucci face. Send

769
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Speaker 1: us your Fucchi face. I love it. Let's do that.

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00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna do that. Hashtag Fuchi face, fem defense. Hashtag

771
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: Fuchi face. So please send us your firm defense tips

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00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: hashtag fem defense. Send us your Fuchi face. How do

773
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: how are we going to sell Fucci face? Formally? You

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00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: see hi fuccii right, so hashtag Fucci face fuc h

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00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: I show us your mean mug, your fucchi face. You

776
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 1: know what do you put on to tell people to

777
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: back to funk up? Yeah, the funk away from the

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00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: funk away. Don't approach me, don't talk to me, leave

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00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: me alone. Let's see your fucchi face and your firm

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00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: defense techniques. And in the meantime, I think that's where

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00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: we can start wrapping up. Now, we touched everything for

782
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: this capital. Like Mala said, we are going to be

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00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: posting um fem defense video like little I g clips Um.

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00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: That was something that because we're talking about it, but

785
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: we also want to show y'all like how to protect yourself.

786
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: Maybe you've never been um, we've never experienced a type

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00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 1: of fem defense or self defense class. So that's something

788
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: that we want to make accessible to folks because it

789
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: can be expensive. You know, some places offer for free,

790
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: which is great, some places don't. So we want to

791
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: make this as accessible as possible because we want you

792
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: all to stay safe absolutely, and if you are interested,

793
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: you know that what we're going to show on our

794
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: Instagram is nothing too intense because there's some physical techniques

795
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: that it's best to learn in a group setting or

796
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: at a gym or with like a professional watching you

797
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: and making sure that you don't hurt yourself. So I

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00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: don't want to introduce any physical techniques over the interwebs

799
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: that you know you might hurt yourself doing. It's just

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00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: these are very basic tips and tricks that are accessible

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00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: and easy to get you guys. Started to get you inspired,

802
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: to get you thinking about fem defense, to get you

803
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: thinking about, you know, defending yourself and your communities. Maybe

804
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: in that can be an intention you set for yourself.

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00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: Go take a boxing class kickboxing most if you if

806
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: you go to your local domestic violence agency or rape

807
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: crisis center, you can usually find some type of a

808
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: self defense class, low cost, free sliding scale. So you

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00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: know this is in no way meant to be exhaustive.

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00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: We're just trust or a substitute exactly. So thanks so

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00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: much for listening. Again, we'll have our we'll talk about

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00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: our fifth in the upcoming weeks, but we're going to

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Speaker 1: leave you with this, so thanks again for tuning in

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Speaker 1: the