WEBVTT - Moonfall 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:02.120 On the Bechdelcast. 0:00:02.240 --> 0:00:04.000 The questions asked if movies have. 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.960 Women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:12.400 or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, Zephyn best 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:15.960 start changing with the Bechdel Cast. 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:20.240 Hey, Caitlin, Yes, Jamie, what's the matter with you? You're putting 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:22.759 the feet of the world in the hands of your 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:27.560 podcast partner and some has been ex astronaut. 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:34.080 My intro is gonna be Houston. We have a problem. 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:35.120 What is it? 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:36.760 The moon is falling? 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:45.640 Oh no, I okay, Welcome to the Bechdel Cast for 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:49.160 I think one of our most requested episodes. 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:50.400 Ever, one hundred percent. 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:56.160 Yeah, people have been gagging, foaming, rowling, frothing at the 0:00:56.200 --> 0:01:01.120 mouth for a Moonfall episode. Frankly gross, It's disgusting. 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:02.800 It makes me sick. 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:07.160 But we're here to finally honor the request. At least 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:11.360 at least probably five hundred million people have requested this 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:13.280 movie specifically. 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:16.280 Yeah, which accounts for about twenty percent of our listeners, 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:20.720 so that's pretty big. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. If you're hearing this, 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:23.880 it's now April, which means nothing to us except that 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:28.720 International Women's Month has concluded and I think that's it. 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:33.160 I'm pretty sure. So yeah, yeah, we're here to sort 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:36.720 of give the people what they want and honor your 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:41.119 request for a Moonfall episode. If this is your first 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:43.040 episode of the Bechtel Cast, this is a great place 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:43.440 to start. 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:45.720 I think, yeah, absolutely, this is a This is a. 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:48.640 Show where we talk about your favorite movies, and we 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:52.720 mean your favorite, using the Bechtel test as a jumping 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:55.520 off point for discussion. But Caitlin, what is that, because 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:58.080 it's going to be very relevant to today's discussion. 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:01.720 Yes, it is a media metric created by friend of 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:03.360 the pod, Alison Bechdel. 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:05.720 Who is this is her favorite? But actually she's one 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:07.000 of the people who has requested it. 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:10.560 Yeah, she emails us every day, not a brag, to say, 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:13.160 where the hell is the Moonfall episode? 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:15.800 Not a brag, but she she was like And then 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:19.080 I did follow up with her once and I was like, hey, Alison, 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:23.840 what is it about Moonfall? And she emailed me back 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:28.800 fuck you, which was like whoa. But you know, people 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:30.519 feel really strongly about this movie. 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:33.600 They do, and I can see now that I've seen it, 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:37.560 I guess multiple times to prep for this episode, I 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:43.160 see why. Absolutely, absolutely so anyway a Bechdel test. Many 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:47.120 versions of this media metric. The one that we use 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:52.400 is do two characters of a marginalized gender have names? 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:55.440 Do they speak to each other? And is that conversation 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:58.200 about something other than a man? 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:03.040 And I think that you know, we're really gonna this 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:07.400 is a fascinating stress test for the Bechdel test because 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:12.760 the protagonist there is a woman in the leading role. 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:14.800 Are you talking about the moon? 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:18.919 Yes, say, I'm talking about the moon, And like most women, 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:21.600 there's more to her than meets the I and that 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:26.440 she is actually hollow and a spaceship and full of 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:33.839 some sort of convoluted AI messaging that as all women are, 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:38.240 I too, am filled with a cloud of dust that 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:42.720 does like basically just turn into a fist, right like 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:45.360 it turns into a snake or a fist like a claw. 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:50.040 These these are the two things that the nanoblot cloud 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:56.080 can do. Listen listeners, It's gonna be difficult because I 0:03:56.080 --> 0:04:01.960 think that, like we want to hold space for this film. 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:03.840 I will not call it a movie. It is a film. 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:05.760 It's an incredible film. 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:08.320 It is a film. It is art house. It actually 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:12.240 genuinely is an independent film which we'll talk about twitch is. 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:17.000 What are the most expensive, like high budget independent films 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:17.520 ever made? 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:22.800 Yes, And I would say right in terms of men's 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:29.719 singular vision, right up there with Megalopolis, really with a 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:33.360 movie that no one wanted that just had to happen, 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:36.440 and we're so glad it did. Because this is we 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:39.200 will be discussing it in the context that it is 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:43.479 a feminist masterpiece. And there's also just so much going 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:49.560 on with the other woman in this movie. Who is 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:53.000 I do think it takes us maybe a half hour 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:57.160 to hear her name spoken, and I don't know that 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:58.440 it ever happens again. 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:02.960 J Cinda just her full name, Justinda. She is referred 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:04.080 to as Joe. 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:07.880 And sometimes as Fouler. But I was just struck with 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.800 and this is speaking to how strong of a feminist 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:14.359 hero she is. How few times her name is spoken 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:19.840 in the movie, whereas are our male protagonist, Brian. I 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:23.919 cannot stop saying his name, even and especially when it 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:24.919 sounds silly. 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:30.120 Yes, Brian Harper disgraced astronaut. 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:33.160 So hard for him. You know, when you're disgraced and 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:37.000 you just have to ride around on your motorcycle on 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:40.279 the streets of la in your in your leather jacket. 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:43.320 It's giving Larry Geely honestly. 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:48.680 Oh wow. We have not invoked the name of Geelie 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:50.440 in quite some time. 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:55.000 You can't say it three times. It's like bloody Mary 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:58.279 show up. If you say Larry Geely in the mirror 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:03.039 three times, yeah, he'll show up behind you. 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.200 It's candy Man all over again. 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:08.240 I don't know why that cracked me up so much. 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:13.000 I don't want to. I don't want to conjure him today. 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:21.960 Not today. No, Larry g l no, No, he doesn't 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:26.520 even kill you. He just slowly tries to convince you 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:30.280 that you're not queer, you're in love with him. Oh 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:34.880 my god, I forgot what Larry Gee's story is all about. 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.679 But that's for another episode you can no longer listen 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:40.040 to because we deleted it. 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.360 Should we recover it some day? 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:44.920 I don't know if we. I don't know. I don't 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.599 know if that's good for the world. But you know 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:48.920 what is good for the world? 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:49.839 Moonfall? 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:51.200 Moonfall? 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:54.480 Mm well, I was going to pitch a double feature. 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:59.239 Maybe this is a Matreon theme. Jelie and Chasing Amy? 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:03.320 Are those not two movies about a man? And maybe 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:07.719 specifically Benfleck, and in both cases there is a queer 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:12.080 woman who is not interested in men, and he's like, 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:15.440 but what if you are interested in me? I r 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:17.760 is that the plot of both of those movies. 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:20.360 I've never seen Chasing Amy. What I do know about 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:25.239 Chasing Amy is that it has a massive queer fan base, 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:31.000 which I do not believe that Jeelie can can say. 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:34.040 It would be an interesting comparison because there was a 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:37.240 documentary that came out a couple years ago that Princess 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:41.200 Weeks is talking head in I'm pretty sure called Chasing 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:47.680 Chasing Amy about the queer community's fascination with that movie specifically, 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:51.800 And as far as I know, there's no Chasing Larry. 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:57.200 And Cheezy Well. I have to imagine getting back on track, 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:03.200 this Moonfall has an enormous queer following because of all 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:06.360 the obvious queer undertones in the film. 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:10.040 It would be foolish for that to not be the case. 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:15.119 I think, yes, yeah, there's just there's just so much. 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:18.760 This is such a rich text. Oh yeah, it really is. 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:22.080 And I think, you know, don't look at the date 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:25.200 that this episode is released on. Just let it in. 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:30.000 Let I will say, I kept I listened to Skyfall 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:34.679 by Adele like three times. It's it is kind of 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:39.000 distracting for there to be a movie called Skyfall and 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.640 then much later a movie called Moonfall. 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:46.360 Moonfall. Maybe Adele should do a cover Moona. 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:51.880 I feel like they tried. It seems like this movie 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:55.240 was willing to do really anything for five dollars because 0:08:57.000 --> 0:09:00.920 you it turns into a random only a commercial for 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:05.520 and feminist masterpiece, feminist masterpiece. It turns into a commercial 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:08.320 for Lexus for like five full. 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:12.200 Minutes, which was kind of wild, where he goes like, 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:15.640 let's go hyper drive and then he just turns like 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:21.000 his Lexus to sports mode and you're like Jesus Christ. 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:24.120 And then it like flies and survives the apocalypse, which 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:29.880 I'm sure Alexis would do or something something. So we 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:32.560 are here to talk about, you know, one of the 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:37.200 feminist modern classics to kick off the month of April. 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:41.839 April the like the first of April even maybe. 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.800 Well yeah, which is also oh my god, I was 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:48.320 thinking this whole time. April first is my dog's Sonny's birthday, 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:52.560 and is there anything more Moonfall than having a son 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:54.679 and being like, hmm, what should we call him? 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:56.200 Sonny? 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:59.280 And I wrote down, how foolish, And then I looked 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:02.400 to my left. I was like, wait a second, the 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:06.320 calls coming from inside the house. I too have a 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:10.480 son called Sonny, and he too is a car jacking 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:16.280 fief on an emotional journey. Wow, I know, I know. Yeah, 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:19.880 this movie is about fathers and sons. This movie is 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:25.040 about mothers and sons. This movie could be about mothers 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:29.600 and daughters, but it is more about a woman named 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:34.840 Brenda and two extras, one of whom I think gets 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:35.200 a name. 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:39.560 Well, Jamie, if you sorry, I'm sorry, hear me out. 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:40.320 I'm listening. 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:44.760 The Moon, as we've established, is a woman, yes, the mother, 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:48.480 mother to all, Mother mother Moon. And then also the 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:53.000 Earth is a woman, mother Earth and daughter Earth, which. 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.440 Is which is why we're killing her, because that's what 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:57.839 we do. Two women, Yes, we kill them. 0:10:57.960 --> 0:10:58.160 Yeah. 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:02.720 But as this movie istides, which is one hundred percent 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:08.760 scientific fact, the Moon gave birth to Earth. So this 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:15.080 movie is about mothers and daughters, right right, So think 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:15.600 about that. 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:19.800 I'm so sorry. You're right, it's okay, it is. It 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:23.360 is a story about women and women only. 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:27.680 Yeah, Jamie, what's your history with this movie? What is 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:28.520 your relationship. 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:32.160 I had somehow never seen this. I know that everyone 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:35.640 else had, actually everyone else in the world. I will 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:41.840 qualify that saying that we've we watched this in bed together. 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:49.840 A couple of platonically watched it in bed. Okay, put 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:55.520 your fingers away or I don't know whatever, but yes, 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:59.040 we watched this in bed together on tour I think 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.240 in San Francisco a couple of years ago, because you're like, 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:05.320 you gotta see Moonfall. You gotta see Moonfall. I'm not kidding. 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:07.480 And then we started watching it. I think we both 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.400 fell asleep like twenty minutes in, so it had seen 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:14.360 the beginning of this movie. I wouldn't even say I 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:18.600 saw the first act because the first act really takes 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:22.360 its time. Yeah, yes, but I think that you know again, 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:25.040 and I mean that in a feminist, in. 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:27.280 A complimentary way way. 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:30.480 It takes its time. So this was my first full viewing, 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:34.920 and I have to say, of the two hours and 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:39.720 ten minutes that this film takes of your one life, 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:41.040 you don't get a second. 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:44.160 Unless you're case at the end of the movie getting 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:45.679 uploaded to spoilers. 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:51.400 Spoilers, spoilers, Oh my god, you know that feeling when 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.280 they scanned your consciousness and you're part of the moon now. 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:56.400 I know exactly that feeling. 0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:59.240 I love when they scan my consciousness and I'm part 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:04.120 of the moon now. But yeah, I wouldn't shave a 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:07.160 single one of all one hundred and thirty minutes of 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:07.600 this off. 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:10.080 No. In fact, I think it should have been longer. 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:12.720 I think it should have been Titanic lengths. I feel 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:16.920 like it could have been longer. Honestly, the chemistry between 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:23.520 everyone is off the charts. Donald Sutherland definitely knows he 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:30.319 was in this movie. Sorry, that's my son, Sonny. 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:34.560 Oh, he just got I agreed to save the moon, 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:37.800 so they let him out of jail or something. 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:39.160 Mm hmm. 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:41.400 So yeah, this was my first full viewing of it. 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:46.480 Wow, what about you? I saw this movie in theaters. 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.760 Wow, and I was wait, really. 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:53.240 Yes, all jokes aside, I saw this movie in theaters. 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:59.079 Why. I'm genuinely curious, and I'm gonna uphold the bit 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:00.600 best I can. 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:04.280 But why Friend of the show, Catherine Leon and friend 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:06.679 to us both listeners. You might remember her from our 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:08.400 Spy Kids episode. 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:09.360 She's got to come back. It's time. 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:13.040 Yeah, we need to bring Katherine back. Yeah, she was like, Caitlyn, 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:16.640 have you seen Moonfall? And I was like, no, this. 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:20.320 Feels exactly right. I love that she was able to 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:22.760 alert you to this while it was still in theaters. 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.640 Yes, and it was urgent, and she said you have 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.720 to go see Moonfall. And I was like, are you sure, 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.720 because it seems like it might not be very good. 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:35.040 And she's like, well, Caitlyn, that's where you're wrong. And 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:38.280 especially as one of the hosts of the Bechdel Cast, 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.880 you're gonna want to see this because it's a feminist masterpiece. 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:43.440 And then I watched it and I was like, oh 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:45.720 my god, Catherine was right. 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:46.840 Yeah. 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:50.440 So I don't know why there was not more discussion 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:55.240 around how feminist this movie was. Yes, in regards to 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:59.880 how powerful and dynamic of a character the Moon is. 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:02.920 But that's what we're here for today. That's what we're 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:03.480 doing today. 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:07.000 Don't let the hollowness of this movie's moon fool you, 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:13.200 and don't let it be a metaphor for the film overall. Instead, 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:17.040 let the moon fall in because you'll I think what 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.960 you'll find is that it's a hollow spaceship full of 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:24.560 nanobots that turn into a big fist and then they 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:32.120 turned Samuel Tarlie into an immortal moon guy. Right. 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:32.800 Yeah. 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:34.160 Also, Michael Penya is there. 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:35.880 Michael Penia is there? 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.840 Michael Pania. Okay, this does not pass the Bechdel test, 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:41.400 and so we'll be talking about women any second now. 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.200 But and this movie is gonna make it easy. 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:44.800 Yeah. 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:47.440 Michael Pania first of all, was not supposed to be 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.840 in this movie. Yes, I read this supposed to be 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:53.080 I think Stanley Tucci. Stanley Tucci, which is such a 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:59.440 bizarre swap of actor. I would not say similar energies 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.480 at all. But lucky for Michael Paiya that he was 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:05.000 in this movie. The two things I associate Michael well, 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:07.680 other than like, Michael Panya is a very charismatic actor. 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.080 But the two other things I associate with him is 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:14.440 number one scientologist, Yes, number two. In one of my 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:17.640 favorite clips that I like to remind people about every 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:19.920 so often, I know where this is going, Chuck E 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:25.479 Cheese's favorite actor. I just would to remind our listeners 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:30.360 that in twenty twenty, during Lockdown, Chuck E Cheese was 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:37.240 doing this bizarre YouTube content. They were spotlighting the straight 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:41.960 to HBO live action Tom and Jerry movie starring Tom, Jerry, 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:47.280 Michael Pania, and Colin Jost and Chuck E Cheese interviewed 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.920 Michael Penya on his YouTube channel and that Michael Pena 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:52.880 was his favorite actor. 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:53.680 Wow. 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:55.960 And so every time I see Michael Panya, I'm like, 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:59.720 oh my god, Chucky is losing it somewhere. Chuck E 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:03.320 Chee is absolutely has seen Moonfall. He loves Michael Penia. 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:07.560 Well, of course, wait is it? Because wait, which one 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:10.159 is so of Tom and Jerry, which one is the 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:12.560 cat and which one is the mouse? 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:15.760 I'm glad you asked Cat, Tom, Mouse. 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:18.800 Jerry and Michael penia voice is one of those characters? 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:19.400 Which one? 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:21.720 No? No, no, he plays Tom and Jerry's friend. 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:25.040 Okay, I thought, okay, So where my brain was going. 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:28.639 I thought maybe Michael Penia voiced the mouse character. And 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:31.840 because Chuck E Cheese is a mouse, that's why he 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:33.760 had such a strong connection to Michael Penia. 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:36.080 No, No, that would that would have made sense. No, 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:44.080 he plays the character of Terreen's Mendoza. Colin just plays 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:47.760 just Ben. No last name for Colin, just uh huh. 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:50.280 And Tom and Jerry they're at a hotel. I believe 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:54.320 that Michael Penia works at the hotel. Okay, Chloe Grace 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:55.600 Moretz is there? 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:58.000 Wow? And should we cover this movie? 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:01.240 I don't know. I don't know if the world is ready. 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:05.520 There is actually like an interesting era of like straight 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:09.200 to streaming movies that basically don't exist because they were 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:13.000 released in like eight months in twenty twenty, where you're 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:17.200 just like these And actually the pandemic meaningfully plays into 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:21.360 the production history of Moonfall, and I feel like it's 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:26.520 sort of referenced in a and I say bizarre in 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:32.919 a feminist way, in a bizarre way in the film Moonfall. Sure, 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:36.600 but so if you haven't seen this movie, please please, 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:40.240 please please go and buy it on Blu Ray. 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:42.680 Yeah, spend as much money as you can on it. 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:47.040 Please. Yeah, order it from another country on Blu Ray. 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:54.720 And really, let Roland Emeric know that you stand with Moonfall. 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:55.560 Yeah. 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:58.399 And like many feminist masterpiece, it was not recognized in 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:03.320 its time, true, but it has become a cult classic 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:06.760 indie film is alive. And well, thank you. 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:12.320 Moonfall, Thank you Moonfall. All right, Well, should we take 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:14.760 a quick break and then come back for the recap? 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:15.719 Let's do it? 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:30.480 Okay, all right, here is the recap of the most 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:36.399 feminist film of the past decade, Moonfall. We open on 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:43.320 clips and sound bites of Apollo eleven, the mission famous 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:49.840 for astronauts first landing on the Moon. We cut to 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:55.080 January twelfth, twenty eleven. Some NASA astronauts are in space. 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:59.560 Ever heard of it, repairing a satellite? So this is 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:02.360 Brian in Harper, played by Patrick Wilson. 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:06.879 And I love Patrick Wilson. I enjoy it, and it's 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:09.920 so great for his career that he's in movies like 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:14.639 Moonfall exclusively. What's your favorite Patrick Wilson performance? 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:18.080 Oh, my gosh. 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:21.240 Mine's a tie. Okay, tell me, mine's a tie between 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:25.679 Phantom of the Opera obviously, Oh right, and Hard Candy. 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:28.639 He's great. Oh yeah, he's so great. 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:31.920 Is there a movie where he has long, straggly hair? 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:34.480 Am I thinking of Opera? 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:38.160 Okay, unless you're He was also in a bunch of movies. Well, 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:41.440 I saw a Watchman when it came out. I don't 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:43.480 remember it. But he was in. 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:46.199 Little Children, Yes, I've seen that. 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:49.680 Oh, I've seen him in Insidious. I liked the first Insidious. 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:54.760 He's in the Conjure, he's mister Condrey, one of which 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:57.040 I saw Oh you know what, he's great in hmmm, 0:20:57.400 --> 0:20:58.560 season two of Fargo. 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:01.280 Oh, I do the ever watched the first season. 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:04.960 It's he's really good in it. Yeah, he's great, and 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:07.959 so I think again, speaking back to the theme of 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:11.040 this episode, it's really awesome that for some reason, for 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:14.120 the last ten years he's been in movies of the 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:20.119 caliber of Moonfall and like the Conjuring the Devil maybe 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:21.760 do it right? 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:22.440 Oh? 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:27.720 That he's also in Aquaman, and I believe it's right cool? 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:30.399 Oh my god, Yeah, that sucks that he had to 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:35.000 be in Aquaman like that. Yeah, and he played Aquaman's 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:36.720 like evil brother or something. 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:39.280 Yes, I don't remember. 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:42.680 We covered Aquaman and I have to say, I don't 0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:43.840 remember a bar of it. 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:44.760 Couldn't tell you. 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:47.520 I love James Wan thing. Well, I guess that's probably 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:49.720 why Patrick Wilson is in it, because he's a James Wana. 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:54.560 Oh so true, due to the conjuring of it all. Anyways, 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:57.320 his best two movies came out twenty years ago, and 0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:01.480 we've gotta we've got to help him out. Except for Moonfall, 0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:02.240 of course, which. 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:05.399 Is his best way his best performance. Yes, so we 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:10.040 meet him. He plays Brian Harper. We also meet Josin 0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:13.800 de Fowler aka Joe aka played by Halle Berry Lee Berry. 0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:17.920 And you know, again, thank god her best work since 0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:20.240 The Flintstones. 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:26.199 Yeah. Really, you know, there was a large gap in 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:30.400 between those two movies where you know, I don't think 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:33.560 she did anything really certainly was never nominated for an 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:34.800 Oscar one. 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:37.520 Genuinely. I feel like in the last like ten to 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:41.080 fifteen years, Halle Berry, at least from what I can tell, 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:43.600 has has not appeared in movies as much as she 0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:47.159 once did. She seems choosier about the projects that she 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:50.520 has done, and so when she agrees to do Moonfall, 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:54.679 you know, I mean something, this is gonna be good. Yes, 0:22:55.040 --> 0:23:00.399 And she plays iconic feminists Justinda Joe Fower. Yeah. I 0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:02.720 like that. We know that these characters like each other 0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:08.080 because they state that out of nowhere, after what has 0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:12.199 to be weeks, if not months in space. Don't you 0:23:12.320 --> 0:23:15.320 just love to announce your relationship to another person after 0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:19.960 spending months of unceasing time with them. She's just basically 0:23:20.040 --> 0:23:23.280 my work it's my work wife. She's my work wife. 0:23:23.480 --> 0:23:25.679 I would be saying I say that about you after 0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:29.919 we've been on the road together for eleven days just 0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:32.239 out of context. I just find myself saying it as 0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:33.679 if there's a camera pointed on me. 0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:36.040 Yeah, No, I get it, Yeah, I get it. I 0:23:36.080 --> 0:23:37.240 say the same thing about you. 0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:41.840 And much like just into Fowlery Brian Harper, we are 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:45.760 definitely in the same room for the entire shoot, and 0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:49.320 the chemistry is off the charts, off the charts. 0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:54.399 Yeah. The two of these characters are besties. And then 0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:57.560 there's a third guy there too. His name is Marcus. 0:23:57.760 --> 0:23:59.439 Don't get attached, do not? 0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:03.360 Because so they're in space repairing a satellite when all 0:24:03.400 --> 0:24:08.719 of a sudden, a bizarre space disturbance happens. It seems 0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:13.760 like a large cloud of debris, which might be sentient, 0:24:14.400 --> 0:24:17.440 comes crashing into them and propels. 0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:19.320 Fistful and nanobots it might be. 0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:23.760 I guess we'll find out. It propels Marcus into the 0:24:23.800 --> 0:24:24.960 depths of space. 0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:27.280 So Marcus is the guy to him. 0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:28.439 Yeah. 0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:32.440 I love how people die in Moonfall, but. 0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:34.640 I mean my favorite is Michael Penia's death. 0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:38.880 Michael pas death is awesome. He literally just lays down 0:24:38.960 --> 0:24:39.560 and he goes. 0:24:40.960 --> 0:24:41.040 It. 0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:45.240 Really, it's it's such a and if he only could 0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:48.400 have hung in there for twelve more seconds, he would 0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:53.840 have been okay because iconically, and this is part of 0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:58.840 the joy of Moonfall, twelve seconds after Michael Penia's plot death, 0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:02.240 all of a sudd in sunny the sun. Yeah, the 0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:05.520 sun takes his mask off and he's like, the air's back. 0:25:07.320 --> 0:25:11.440 Why is the airback? We don't know, because the moon 0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:16.360 is a woman agency and she said, airs back, airs 0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:17.600 you're right. 0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:17.800 You're right. 0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:20.600 Yeah, Okay, we're getting ahead of ourselves. 0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:22.760 Sorry, sorry, sorry, I love Michael. 0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:25.320 It's so funny. 0:25:25.520 --> 0:25:29.720 Keep walking. Okay. 0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:34.240 So Marcus dies, Brian manages to safely get back to 0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:38.560 the spaceship where Joe has been knocked unconscious, and then 0:25:38.600 --> 0:25:46.399 he sees this cloud or this swarm of sentient space debris, yeah, 0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:50.439 burrow into the moon and we're like, oh no, that's 0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:52.480 that's a woman being violated. 0:25:53.040 --> 0:25:58.920 That's so true by the masculine nano bots nanotechnology. 0:25:59.080 --> 0:25:59.399 Yeah. 0:25:59.480 --> 0:25:59.720 Yes. 0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:02.879 Then we cut to a year and a half later. 0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:08.080 Brian has been fired from NASA following this incident. They 0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:12.680 blame him for Marcus's death, but he maintains that this 0:26:13.160 --> 0:26:17.960 bizarre space anomaly caused the mishap, but of course no 0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:21.919 one believes him, including his best friend Joe. 0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:26.959 And this is an important lesson about this is that women, 0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:29.960 and I'm glad Will and Emeric brought this up. Women 0:26:30.080 --> 0:26:35.440 are deceitful liars who are out to get you. Regardless 0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:38.639 of how much you think you can trust them, you can't. 0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:44.040 Yes, that is one of the core tenants of the 0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:45.399 feminism of this movie. 0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:48.800 I would say, Yeah, you can't trust a woman any 0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:52.600 more than you can trust the concept of the moon belief. 0:26:53.240 --> 0:26:55.800 Yeah, everything you thought you knew about the moon, the 0:26:55.840 --> 0:27:00.760 moon's heart. Yes again, is a moon of secrets, a 0:27:00.880 --> 0:27:03.200 deep moon of secrets. 0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:10.240 It's been eighty four moons, moons, eighty four tens, twelve moons. 0:27:10.680 --> 0:27:13.680 Oh, because a moon equals one month. Yes, okay, I see, 0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:14.680 I see the math. 0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:18.639 Thank you, I okay, sorry to harp on every single 0:27:18.680 --> 0:27:21.080 bit of this masterpiece, but I just I was so 0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:25.399 visually captivated, Okay, like maybe maybe you were as well 0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:33.119 by the gigantic, unframed, high contrast photo of Patrick Wilson 0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:38.200 and his son Sonny that his future ex wife Brenda 0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:40.040 is just staring at. 0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:41.040 Yeah. 0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:43.280 No, it was really quite remarkable. 0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:46.000 I've never seen a photo like that in my life. 0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:51.359 I have never seen a high contrast CPA photoshopped photo 0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:55.480 of Patrick Wilson and a child before and seeing it 0:27:55.840 --> 0:28:00.119 raw and unframed for some reason, I found kind of chill. 0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:07.160 And you're, of course referring to his ex wife, Brenda 0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:12.960 played by Carolina Bartzak, and she is his ex wife 0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:18.840 because this whole incident with Brian in this mishappened space 0:28:19.400 --> 0:28:21.800 has ruined his life. He's fired from NASA and it 0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:25.119 seems to have caused his marriage to fall apart. So 0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:28.480 he separates from Brenda and they have a son together, 0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:32.360 and that son, of course, is named as we've said, Sonny. 0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:36.120 It sounds ridiculous, but I did it, and so did 0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:40.360 Brian and Brenda. Yeah, names, we have to admit are 0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:44.160 better stated for siblings and for a married couple, but whatever. 0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:48.360 Oh sure the alliteration, yeah, of Brian and Brenda. Then 0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:52.520 we cut to ten years after that we meet Casey 0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:58.040 Housman played by John Bradley of Game of Thrones fame, yes, 0:28:58.240 --> 0:29:01.680 who works as a janitor, or at least pretends to 0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:05.280 be a janitor at UC Irvine so that he can 0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:09.840 break into a professor's office and hack his email so 0:29:09.880 --> 0:29:15.120 that he can access satellite images and data about the 0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:20.520 moon's orbital patterns right and where like exactly. 0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:24.080 I will say this part was supposed to have originally 0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:27.680 been played by my longtime nemesis Josh Gadd. True, and 0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:31.760 I'm glad that John Bradley is doing it, not Josh Gadd. 0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:34.320 I think that's fair. Some days are hard enough. 0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:39.720 Yeah, imagine having to watch Moonfall and then Josh. 0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:42.640 Josh gadd performance on top of everything else. It just 0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:44.680 wouldn't have been It wouldn't have been right. 0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:47.840 It would have taken an otherwise perfect movie and really 0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:49.400 knocked it down quite a few pegs. 0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:52.520 Although I will say I would have loved to see 0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:56.840 Stanley Tucci. Stanley Tucci, I know in this movie, you know, 0:29:56.880 --> 0:30:01.160 but let Michael Pena stay. We did the same performance 0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:04.120 next to each other. They are okay. 0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:09.600 Brenda is polyamorous. She has two husbands, Polly, and they 0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:10.680 hang out in. 0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:13.320 A wide range of tastes. Stanley Tucci and Michael Pania. 0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:17.120 I genuinely would love to see a buddy movie with 0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:17.760 those two. 0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:21.720 Oh, that would be great, be fun. Imagine Devilwar's Prada, 0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:25.440 but it's Michael Panya instead of the Stanley Tucci character. 0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:29.040 Or Michael Pania doing the same performance right next to 0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:35.280 Stanley Tucci and they're speaking in unison. Yeah. Wow, makes 0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:40.120 it's an idea this also, I would say, you know, haters, 0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:42.600 haters would say this was maybe a rough year for 0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:48.120 John Bradley filmography wise, because the other big movie he's 0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:52.959 in this year is Marry Me, the j Loo movie. 0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:54.560 Do you remember that? 0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:55.400 I remember it? 0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:58.440 I didn't see it. Is Owen Wilson in that also? Yes, 0:30:58.640 --> 0:31:02.160 j Lo and Owen Wilson are in it together. I 0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:04.800 saw it. I saw it in theaters. That was when 0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:07.120 you were saying Moonfall. I was seeing Marry Me. Wow, 0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:10.040 I said, between the two of us, we saw all 0:31:10.080 --> 0:31:12.880 of John Bradley's work that year. But yes, yeah, he's 0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:17.000 playing a guy named k C who I thought was 0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:19.720 just Casey that it turns out its case. 0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:20.960 The initials k C. 0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:23.960 Yeah yeah, and he says the moon is hollow. And 0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:27.280 guess what. I think it's an important message that this 0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:32.720 movie holds that conspiracy theorists are correct and we shouldn't 0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:38.040 worry about the various restraining orders filed against them. It 0:31:38.080 --> 0:31:38.680 was a mistake. 0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:41.000 It was a mistake because they were right all along. 0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:46.480 Yeah yeah, okay, So Casey accesses data about the Moon 0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:50.520 and its orbital patterns, and he sees something really bizarre. 0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:53.320 We don't know what quite yet, but he tries to 0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:59.040 call NASA about it. Cut to a space center in Texas, 0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:02.240 I think, where Joe, who is now the deputy director 0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:07.960 of NASA, is told that the Moon's orbit is shifting 0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:11.480 and the Moon is getting closer and closer to Earth 0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:15.320 as it continues to circle around it, and she's like, what, 0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:18.320 that's impossible. 0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:21.120 And then she says, rather iconically, I think that you know, 0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:24.920 for the hyper compident characters that they are, it is 0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:27.320 wild that Joe and Brian do manage to be the 0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:31.360 last to know that the Moon is falling because Joe 0:32:31.440 --> 0:32:35.479 is in mission control or whatever this like stage in 0:32:35.520 --> 0:32:39.240 Montreal there in is and she's like, we need to 0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:42.680 make sure this remains contained. And then everyone in unison 0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:47.720 gets a push notification from like the Times saying in 0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:49.880 all caps moon is falling. 0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:55.640 Yes, well that's because Casey leaked the information. But the 0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:58.200 whole thing is like, we don't know the source of this, 0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:02.680 and he is not a credible source. So why the 0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:05.720 world devolves into mass panic after this? 0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:09.520 Well, I mean, I think it could be interesting commentary on, 0:33:09.920 --> 0:33:11.920 you know, the state of the news cycle, the state 0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:16.360 of defunding journalism, you know, how experts are now being 0:33:16.480 --> 0:33:19.480 treated as credible sources when they may not in fact 0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:22.280 be credible sources. However, I would say that is undercut 0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:25.200 by the fact that this conspiracy theorist Casey Houseman, of 0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:27.880 course his last name being Houseman because he's a man 0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:29.080 and he lives in a house. 0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:33.600 Just like how when you're a son, your name is son, 0:33:33.760 --> 0:33:35.000 name is sunny. 0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:41.000 And this movie went through descriptment, through many drafts, I'm sure, 0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:45.920 but it's why Casey Houseman. It's tricky because you know, 0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:47.440 it's like, it's one thing to say, oh, we are 0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:53.880 now treating conspiracy theorists with no accreditation as the arbiters 0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:57.920 of truth. This movie bravely asks, but what if they're right? 0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:01.200 But what if Casey house what if every Casey Houseman 0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:04.400 prediction is right and the moon is hollow. 0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:08.279 It's the equivalent of if there was a movie about 0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:12.080 how like a flat earther was like the Earth is flat, 0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:15.400 and then the big reveal is that the Earth is flat. 0:34:15.960 --> 0:34:20.680 Maybe that was what the sequel that tragically hasn't been 0:34:20.719 --> 0:34:24.160 realized yet yet is There is a cliffhanger at the 0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:30.120 end that is very confusing in a feminist way because 0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:33.600 it is delivered by a woman. And she says to 0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:39.720 Casey Houseman, more like Casey middle of the moonman now 0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:43.239 because they copied his consciousness and now he's a part 0:34:43.239 --> 0:34:46.840 of the moon famous. She says, your work is just 0:34:46.920 --> 0:34:49.560 beginning or something like that. I hope you're ready or 0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:52.439 get ready. So there's a lot of work to do. 0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:57.319 So maybe this sequel to the moonfall is earth flat. 0:34:58.080 --> 0:35:01.680 Maybe maybe we're just going to kind of keep going 0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:06.480 through the big hits in terms of conspiracy theories of 0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:15.120 the late twenty tens, moonfall, earth flat, vaccine, fake you know, 0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:16.720 and so on and so forth. 0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:20.200 Yes, I hope, so, I hope, so me too, I 0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:26.040 really hope. So. Okay, So, speaking of Casey, he cannot 0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:29.160 get through to NASA. No one will take him seriously, 0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:31.560 so he has to come up with a different plan. 0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:35.600 And he says out loud to no one, what would 0:35:35.680 --> 0:35:37.040 Elon Musk do? 0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:41.880 Now, this is interesting because Elon Musk, you know, obviously 0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:46.040 at the time you're listening to this is a full blown, 0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:49.759 out and out proud fascist yes, and you know, for 0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:52.360 those that have had had eyes on him for years, 0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:55.640 this will come as no surprise. It is just ideology 0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:58.200 that has grown louder and louder as time goes on. 0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:01.080 I wouldn't say that his position has meaningfully shifted. It 0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:04.879 has just increased in volume spree exactly. But there is 0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:07.160 this period, and it makes sense because this movie took 0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:11.400 so long to come out. But in the late twenty ten's, 0:36:11.480 --> 0:36:15.560 early twenty twenties where Elon Musk is getting a lot 0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:19.960 of pr in film, I'm thinking of that Lindsay Lohan movie. Yes, 0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:23.080 we watched on Netflix too, where it just and I 0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:26.560 wouldn't say it's free press. I would heavily speculate that 0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:29.680 he is paying for it in some way. Sure, But yeah, 0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:33.560 about how he was for some time sort of positioned 0:36:33.760 --> 0:36:38.320 as the man who could save the world with vaguely 0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:44.560 conspiracy theory adjacent ideas. I don't know, I don't know. 0:36:45.200 --> 0:36:47.200 I think the first time I got into an argument 0:36:47.239 --> 0:36:52.520 about Elon Musk was in twenty eighteen in the writer's 0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:55.560 room for Robot Chicken, in which I got into a 0:36:55.600 --> 0:37:00.800 shouting match with another writer, a man, a man older 0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:04.879 than myself, who was really infuriated that I didn't think 0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:07.960 Elon Musk was cool, and that really was the basis 0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:11.399 of the argument. And so for those of us who 0:37:11.400 --> 0:37:13.880 have been beating this drum for a long time, you 0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:17.000 hear that line and you wonder where is this going? 0:37:17.800 --> 0:37:21.879 And it's going to a later line that says our 0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:25.719 friends over at SpaceX. Yeah, and then I kind of 0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:27.480 lost the thread of where it was supposed to have 0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:31.520 been going other than saying that conspiracies are real, which 0:37:31.560 --> 0:37:33.520 is a feminist idea. 0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:38.680 The thread kids cut right then and there. Pretty much 0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:40.600 it doesn't go elsewhere. 0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:45.560 Movies don't need to answer every question, No, but it 0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:48.200 would be cool. I do feel like most movies answer 0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:54.680 at least one a question or presents you with potential 0:37:54.760 --> 0:38:00.399 answers and choose which you choose to believe. But some 0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:04.680 movies are just different, and these are mysterious. So yeah, 0:38:04.920 --> 0:38:09.360 what what what would Elon Musk do? And honestly, I 0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:12.640 wouldn't be surprised if Elon Musk did something similar to Brian, 0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:18.680 which is like wear an embarrassing jacket and complain loudly 0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:22.520 to no one. Yeah, yeah, I wanted to take a 0:38:22.560 --> 0:38:27.759 moment to appreciate how children's dialogue is written in this film. 0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:29.040 Oh let's let's do that. 0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:32.960 Yeah, the way children talk in this movie is so 0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:36.680 true to life. You you would think you're just walking 0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:40.840 through a kmart. It is just really a amazing. 0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:42.120 Are there children a kmart? 0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:46.000 Well, there's you're just walking through the world, you know, 0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:48.480 you're just listen. I don't know why cam art came down. 0:38:49.440 --> 0:38:52.439 I don't even think kmart exists. No, You're just you're 0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:55.440 just you're just walking around a playground, like, because it's 0:38:55.440 --> 0:38:58.319 everything else that's perverted. You're like, well, I'm not just 0:38:58.360 --> 0:39:02.680 walking around a playground. Yeah, any kid would be saying 0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:07.279 things like I hate New Jersey. Any kid. There's a 0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:12.720 great scene that I really appreciated where Casey is Casey 0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:19.919 Houseman is impersonating Brian at the Griffith Observatory, Yes, which 0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:24.400 is iconic in many ways. And there's what is okay 0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:26.600 wait I wrote this down because. 0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:28.879 The kid who says, well, are you going to teach 0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:31.640 us about the moon or not? Yeah, and he says 0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:32.520 it exactly like that. 0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:38.160 Yes, that is exactly what I was talking about. I 0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:42.200 don't know where it went, but yeah, I wrote down 0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:46.719 the entire thing because it was so powerful to me. 0:39:47.080 --> 0:39:50.160 And then there's like another kid who shockingly talks to 0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:53.279 the exact same cadence as the first kid, almost as 0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:58.040 if no one was thinking about that. I just really, 0:39:58.120 --> 0:39:59.759 I really really loved it. 0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:03.600 There's a scene where when the earth suddenly starts running 0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:04.239 out of air. 0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:10.360 One look out, Michael Penia, watch out, targeting Michael Penia, 0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:15.239 only impending doom for him, just him though his and 0:40:15.280 --> 0:40:18.279 Brenda's daughter, one of them. 0:40:18.320 --> 0:40:22.360 There's like a there's a news cast and it says 0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:27.000 something like atmospheric dissipation is about to begin, and one 0:40:27.040 --> 0:40:31.000 of the daughters says, what's that? And then the other daughter, 0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:34.239 who's I don't know, maybe nine years old, says the 0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:37.839 earth is running out of air. Sully feminism, as if 0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:41.800 a nine year old child knows what atmospheric dissipation means. 0:40:41.920 --> 0:40:44.520 I don't know what that means. And I'm a hundred 0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:49.480 and don't get me started on Joe Fowler's son, who 0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:53.880 one are the weirdest kids ever committed to film? Okay, 0:40:53.960 --> 0:40:57.960 so here's that exchange of the students yelling at Samwell 0:40:58.080 --> 0:41:03.840 Tarli Shah grif Ritory, Yes, Okay, he's not two steps 0:41:03.880 --> 0:41:08.000 into the observatory when this kid clocks him and says, 0:41:08.000 --> 0:41:10.759 at volume one thousand, our teacher says, you're a wash 0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:14.640 up no show, and she's complaining to someone. You're like, oh. 0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:18.200 A second child says, you really don't look like an astronaut, 0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:22.000 and then the first kid says, calling back to you, well, 0:41:22.040 --> 0:41:23.960 are you going to teach us about space or what? 0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:29.680 And it just makes you wonder does Roland Emmericks have 0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:31.720 children and does. 0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:34.200 He he ever interacted with a child. 0:41:34.080 --> 0:41:39.359 And met them? And then the other kid is Joe's son, 0:41:40.360 --> 0:41:44.120 his father, because that is ultimately what the movie is about. Yes, 0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:46.960 And if fathers and sons are separated, well they just 0:41:47.040 --> 0:41:49.600 are like, well, here's Michael Panya and he's a new father, 0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:52.640 so okay, Joe follow her son a great one. And 0:41:52.680 --> 0:41:56.520 I really liked that his father, mister Military industrial Complex 0:41:56.600 --> 0:42:02.600 HIMSELFEP is calling hallebar on the phone and saying, how 0:42:02.640 --> 0:42:05.279 can you say I'm not spending time with our son. 0:42:06.000 --> 0:42:07.799 I talked to him on the phone all the time. 0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:10.480 And then you cut like talking about him as if 0:42:10.520 --> 0:42:14.160 he is not six, and then you see a six 0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:16.040 year old, I'm like, what are you talking on the 0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:19.279 phone about with this guy, like he talks about his 0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:21.920 six year old son like he's a full blown adult, consistently, 0:42:21.960 --> 0:42:23.759 to the point where maybe at some point in the 0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:27.239 script he was I find the way they talk about 0:42:27.280 --> 0:42:31.960 the kid very weird. Well, okay, sorry, sorry, I'm being 0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:32.760 so negative. 0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:36.440 Well yeah, Jamie Howell, I'm being a huge bitch. You're 0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:39.200 being an enormous bitch, and I can't believe it. No, 0:42:39.640 --> 0:42:43.640 But like, let's be let's think about this, Okay. Halle 0:42:43.680 --> 0:42:46.520 Berry she was I think in her mid fifties when 0:42:46.560 --> 0:42:50.239 she was very is Joe Fowler. Joe Fowler, she was 0:42:50.239 --> 0:42:55.040 in her mid fifties when this movie was being filmed 0:42:55.040 --> 0:43:01.640 and released. Sure, her son is, yeah, like six years old. 0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:06.600 Not to say that you cannot have a baby. 0:43:06.840 --> 0:43:07.759 You can. You can. 0:43:07.920 --> 0:43:10.520 Yeah, But I think it's one of those cases where 0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:15.520 they've cast an older actor to play a younger character, 0:43:16.600 --> 0:43:19.359 because heaven forbid, we have a like fifty five year 0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:21.720 old woman character on screen. 0:43:22.040 --> 0:43:24.200 And I would say that that's feminists in addition to 0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:30.959 the pressure that is put on women to look much 0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:35.040 younger than they actually are in order to retain employment 0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:39.240 in entertainment, And I think it's equally feminist. How people 0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:45.080 will attack said women for merely responding to how society 0:43:45.280 --> 0:43:47.759 is insisting they behave in order to. 0:43:49.360 --> 0:43:54.239 Work, and then they will attack other women who are 0:43:55.040 --> 0:44:00.399 less willing to adhere to those societal pressures and say, ooh, 0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:03.280 why do you look so old and gross? 0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:09.279 Or they will, you know, regard women who are you know, 0:44:09.440 --> 0:44:15.760 choosing to age naturally and infantilize them by saying they're brave. 0:44:16.239 --> 0:44:21.880 And there's just a million incredible ways to navigate talking 0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:27.080 about women. And they're all normal and they're all really nice. Yeah. 0:44:27.160 --> 0:44:30.800 There's also a character we meet who I think takes 0:44:31.320 --> 0:44:33.840 again in a way that it's like women are so 0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:36.759 complicated in a way that I think takes a very 0:44:36.840 --> 0:44:40.480 long time to determine who is this character and what 0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:42.680 is she doing? The character Michelle. 0:44:43.560 --> 0:44:46.480 Oh my gosh, Yeah, I was. 0:44:46.480 --> 0:44:49.160 Wrong about who Michelle was in relation to the other 0:44:49.280 --> 0:44:52.360 characters about five times before I learned that she is 0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:57.160 an exchange student who is a nanny and perhaps a tutor. 0:44:58.080 --> 0:45:01.480 I'm maybe still not sure what mische Helle is doing. 0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:03.000 It is very unclear. 0:45:03.239 --> 0:45:08.399 I first thought she was dating Halle Berry Yes, Barry, yes, 0:45:09.120 --> 0:45:10.160 But then it turns. 0:45:09.840 --> 0:45:12.960 Out halle Berry is her boss. 0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:17.160 Right, and that she's like a nanny who's teaching her 0:45:17.239 --> 0:45:20.360 son Mandarin Mandarin. 0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:21.319 Yeah. 0:45:21.800 --> 0:45:25.600 But before we can decide who is Michelle, what's going 0:45:25.600 --> 0:45:30.239 on with Michelle? Well, she's Sonny's girlfriend. And so then 0:45:30.320 --> 0:45:33.640 you're like, oh, thank god, Okay, I was this woman 0:45:33.680 --> 0:45:36.319 was getting too complicated. So it's good that she's just 0:45:36.400 --> 0:45:41.440 Sonny's girlfriend. Yes, But I did I do. I mean 0:45:41.480 --> 0:45:43.800 I did genuinely feel like she and halle Berry. I 0:45:43.840 --> 0:45:45.799 thought that, like, you know, because you meet her at 0:45:45.800 --> 0:45:50.120 the house and they have this like conversation about what 0:45:50.320 --> 0:45:54.160 seemed like their shared child. Yeah, and I was like, wow, 0:45:54.239 --> 0:45:56.879 queer representation, but that you find out several scenes later 0:45:57.000 --> 0:46:01.200 actually not no, no queer representation. No, the scene was 0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:02.040 just written weird. 0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:08.280 Yes, So glad we got that out of the way. 0:46:08.520 --> 0:46:10.839 I felt silly because I was like, wait, it was 0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:13.200 I like, but then I rewatched the scene. I was like, no, 0:46:13.320 --> 0:46:16.400 that's the way that they're talking to each other is 0:46:16.600 --> 0:46:20.560 very unclear. It was not giving professional relationship. 0:46:21.280 --> 0:46:24.120 No, because like the first time you see Michelle on screen, 0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:27.480 she has okay, actually this is hilarious. It's early in 0:46:27.520 --> 0:46:30.279 the morning, she has a cup of coffee that she 0:46:30.400 --> 0:46:34.800 has made for Joe. And it seems the way it's written, 0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:38.000 in the way it's acted, it seems like here is 0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:43.919 a tender gesture, a loving gesture that one partner is 0:46:44.000 --> 0:46:48.400 doing for another partner. Romantic partner. Yes, Nope, it's just 0:46:48.480 --> 0:46:52.040 that Michelle wakes up at four o'clock in the morning 0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:55.120 to make coffee for Joe. Also, she says. 0:46:55.000 --> 0:46:58.719 She's like a living nanny, but like, yeah, she's just 0:46:58.920 --> 0:47:01.359 very romantic. I don't know. Maybe it's just like these 0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:04.960 these actresses are just so like compelling that I mean, 0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:07.560 I mean they are they're they're beautiful, and so you 0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:10.440 want them to be married. I want them to like yeah. 0:47:10.480 --> 0:47:13.279 But the funniest thing about that scene is that Michelle 0:47:13.320 --> 0:47:19.719 hands Joe a coffee and she says, black two sugars. Now, 0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:22.759 if it's a black coffee, there isn't any sugar in it. 0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:23.720 Whoa. 0:47:24.680 --> 0:47:26.799 But she says, I made coffee just the way you 0:47:26.880 --> 0:47:29.720 like it, black two sugars. 0:47:29.760 --> 0:47:34.279 And that's feminism, and that's feminism, and that passes the 0:47:34.280 --> 0:47:34.919 Bexel test. 0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:35.960 Yes, it does so. 0:47:36.000 --> 0:47:38.720 Early in the movie passes the Bechel test in women 0:47:38.760 --> 0:47:42.839 who do have names. Although they're spoken very infrequently, and 0:47:43.000 --> 0:47:47.680 their relationship to each other is completely incoherent. Because then 0:47:48.040 --> 0:47:50.400 I went on this journey where I went back to 0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:55.439 thinking that Michelle was actually dating Joe, just into Joe 0:47:55.480 --> 0:47:58.960 Fowler because you find out her husband. But then it 0:47:59.120 --> 0:48:02.480 said much later on, no, it's her ex husband, and 0:48:02.520 --> 0:48:05.080 I was like, okay, so she is with Michelle. But 0:48:05.120 --> 0:48:07.240 then Michelle shows up and a scene very much acting 0:48:07.320 --> 0:48:10.640 like a nanny. And by that We're well over an 0:48:10.719 --> 0:48:13.320 hour into the movie and I'm still trying to glean 0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:20.479 the relationships between basic who lived together. I still don't 0:48:20.520 --> 0:48:24.000 know who these people are to each other. And then 0:48:24.040 --> 0:48:28.360 it turns out no, Michelle is straight single and looking 0:48:28.400 --> 0:48:32.720 to date Patrick Wilson's car thief son named Sonny. 0:48:36.080 --> 0:48:36.319 Dug. 0:48:36.760 --> 0:48:37.280 Yeah. 0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:43.600 Yes, Okay, back to the thing we were on. Casey 0:48:43.719 --> 0:48:46.000 he's trying to come up with a plan to let 0:48:46.040 --> 0:48:50.960 people know that there's something wacky going on with the moon, 0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:57.120 so he goes to disgraced former astronaut Brian Harper, hoping 0:48:57.160 --> 0:49:01.359 that he will help. Through various inters, including the one 0:49:01.400 --> 0:49:07.640 where Casey is loudly blathering on about his moon conspiracy 0:49:07.680 --> 0:49:12.040 theories to children, we learn that case believes that the 0:49:12.080 --> 0:49:16.960 moon is what's called a megastructure, which is an enormous 0:49:17.200 --> 0:49:23.799 artificial construction built by aliens. And then he tells he 0:49:23.880 --> 0:49:28.759 tells Brian Harper that the Moon's orbit has shifted and 0:49:28.800 --> 0:49:32.759 the moon is about to fall into Earth. And so 0:49:32.920 --> 0:49:40.719 Brian thinks that Kse is a lunatic get it, lunatic 0:49:41.520 --> 0:49:42.600 lunar 're. 0:49:42.640 --> 0:49:43.720 Like a moona tig. 0:49:46.000 --> 0:49:53.560 Moonatick? Yes? Okay, So then the movie takes a detour 0:49:53.600 --> 0:49:58.920 from the urgent moon situation to introduce a few subplots, 0:49:59.239 --> 0:50:02.759 including Casey taking care of his mother who seems to 0:50:02.800 --> 0:50:08.920 have Alzheimer's and Brian's now eighteen year old son whose 0:50:09.080 --> 0:50:13.560 name is still Sunny, getting arrested after being in a 0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:15.080 high speed car chase. 0:50:15.360 --> 0:50:20.640 Yeah, like an OJ Simpson style high speed televised car chase. Yes, 0:50:20.960 --> 0:50:27.560 as all car chases are televised like their OJ Simpson correct. 0:50:27.719 --> 0:50:31.000 Yeah, we cut back to Joe. The NASA scientists have 0:50:31.160 --> 0:50:36.000 concluded that in three weeks, the Moon will get too 0:50:36.120 --> 0:50:40.360 close to the Earth and it will basically fall apart 0:50:40.520 --> 0:50:44.280 and fling huge moon chunks into the Earth. 0:50:44.840 --> 0:50:48.360 Moon will fall, Moon will fall. The fall of the Moon, 0:50:48.760 --> 0:50:51.359 The dark, dark of the Moon. I remember that. 0:50:51.840 --> 0:50:55.080 I do remember that. Yeah. I think there is some 0:50:55.160 --> 0:50:59.239 weird conspiratorial moon thing in that Transformers movie too. 0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:02.160 Really. I mean I've only seen the first one, but 0:51:02.400 --> 0:51:05.959 that that would track for me. Yeah, I believe that 0:51:06.400 --> 0:51:08.520 Michael Bay believes and conspiracors. 0:51:08.760 --> 0:51:13.040 Yeah, listeners who are familiar with Transformers Dark of the Moon. 0:51:13.719 --> 0:51:18.239 Is the Moon a Transformer or something? 0:51:18.680 --> 0:51:21.719 Okay? See, that actually sounds way more fun than Moonfall, 0:51:21.960 --> 0:51:25.200 to be honest, I mean, a Moon being a Transformer 0:51:25.920 --> 0:51:27.240 would be would be fun. 0:51:27.520 --> 0:51:29.920 I don't know if that's what that movie is about, 0:51:30.120 --> 0:51:32.200 but there is. I feel like there is something weird 0:51:32.239 --> 0:51:37.040 about the Moon in that one anyway. So the stakes 0:51:37.080 --> 0:51:39.279 are very high. The moon will fall. 0:51:39.400 --> 0:51:40.359 The moon is very low. 0:51:40.640 --> 0:51:42.960 The moon is The stakes are high, but the moon 0:51:43.040 --> 0:51:45.920 is low exactly. Yeah, and so they need to send 0:51:46.040 --> 0:51:51.000 a team of astronauts to the Moon to fix it. 0:51:52.760 --> 0:51:57.240 Or something to to tell the Moon to knock it out, 0:51:58.000 --> 0:52:02.319 to say stop falling, get up, pull yourself up by 0:52:02.320 --> 0:52:06.120 your bootstraps. Moon. Yeah. 0:52:06.160 --> 0:52:08.520 Then the scene where we were just talking about, where 0:52:08.560 --> 0:52:13.560 Casey leaks the info about the Moon's orbit changing and 0:52:13.600 --> 0:52:16.719 now it's trending on Twitter, which everyone believes even though 0:52:16.719 --> 0:52:19.280 no one knows the source of this information. 0:52:19.440 --> 0:52:22.840 It is wild how that line of dialogue that exists 0:52:22.880 --> 0:52:27.040 in so many movies now sounds wild they dated, like 0:52:27.160 --> 0:52:30.160 it's going viral on Twitter, which now would mean kind 0:52:30.160 --> 0:52:32.959 of less than nothing. And it's ironic that whose fault 0:52:33.080 --> 0:52:36.879 is that, Well Elon Musk. Yeah, well what Elon Musk 0:52:36.960 --> 0:52:40.800 do amongst other things make it so that that line 0:52:40.840 --> 0:52:41.800 sounds very dated. 0:52:43.040 --> 0:52:49.399 Yes, anyways, so there's like now mass public panic, people 0:52:49.440 --> 0:52:53.160 are fleeing from cities, people are looting, all that kind 0:52:53.200 --> 0:52:54.000 of stuff. 0:52:53.760 --> 0:52:58.040 Which again feels like a weird amalgamation and like it 0:52:58.040 --> 0:53:00.400 felt to me based on when this movie was written 0:53:00.440 --> 0:53:06.360 and produced, felt like a dishonest conflating many issues at once. 0:53:07.239 --> 0:53:10.960 Reflection on twenty twenty and in a way that I 0:53:11.080 --> 0:53:16.000 found frustrating in a movie I otherwise love. 0:53:16.760 --> 0:53:21.200 And otherwise perfect movie. Yes, yeah, I can definitely see that, 0:53:21.600 --> 0:53:24.200 But we see so little because like a lot of 0:53:24.200 --> 0:53:28.520 disaster movies, where there's like a global disaster, you see 0:53:28.560 --> 0:53:32.759 a lot more of the chaos that the world has 0:53:32.800 --> 0:53:36.439 descended into. In this movie, there's only like very very 0:53:36.600 --> 0:53:41.080 very quick cuts, mostly as like news coverage. Yeah, you 0:53:41.160 --> 0:53:44.080 barely see anything well and in. 0:53:44.040 --> 0:53:47.719 The interesting way. And again, this is an episode coming 0:53:47.719 --> 0:53:50.520 out in early April, so we're gonna be doing extra 0:53:50.600 --> 0:53:53.680 care in the discussion. But like, it is interesting that 0:53:53.800 --> 0:53:56.719 like Roland Emeric is sort of playing on some of 0:53:56.760 --> 0:54:00.839 the disaster movie tropes that he helped popular, which are 0:54:00.920 --> 0:54:04.600 like anyone in the lower class is kind of like uh, 0:54:05.520 --> 0:54:07.480 violent and bass. 0:54:07.960 --> 0:54:11.160 Yeah and uncivilized, et cetera. 0:54:11.360 --> 0:54:14.640 But with regard to not showing that the disaster and 0:54:14.719 --> 0:54:17.160 the Disaster movie, I would say, Caitlin, you know, in 0:54:17.200 --> 0:54:21.120 their defense, they only had one hundred and fifty million dollars, 0:54:21.160 --> 0:54:24.800 and so would you be able to show a compelling 0:54:24.840 --> 0:54:27.360 image for one hundred and fifty million dollars. 0:54:27.640 --> 0:54:29.960 No, not me. I would blow that entire budget on 0:54:30.920 --> 0:54:37.440 craft services. Yeah, yes, say what you will about this movie. 0:54:37.840 --> 0:54:42.360 I actually think the special effects are decent, which I 0:54:42.360 --> 0:54:45.000 don't think they're amazing, but I think it looks like 0:54:45.360 --> 0:54:48.319 inexpensive movie because it is an expensive movie for sure, 0:54:48.360 --> 0:54:50.560 So it's not like the effects look shitty the way 0:54:50.600 --> 0:54:53.319 that a lot of B movie effects are really like 0:54:53.400 --> 0:54:57.200 shitty looking, Like this movie looks like they spent money 0:54:57.239 --> 0:54:59.560 on it, but it's just that the story is. 0:55:00.040 --> 0:55:02.160 And if I'm being critical and I wouldn't know if 0:55:02.200 --> 0:55:04.759 I was playing Devil's advocate here, sure sure, I would 0:55:04.800 --> 0:55:08.080 say it definitely does look expensive. What I don't think 0:55:08.280 --> 0:55:11.200 is that you can you can maybe get the sense 0:55:11.360 --> 0:55:15.719 that the actors, more often than that not don't know 0:55:15.880 --> 0:55:20.000 what they're supposed to be looking at because the reaction. 0:55:20.200 --> 0:55:22.120 And this is not a fault of the actors, because 0:55:22.560 --> 0:55:26.960 these effects were probably not even conceived of yet much 0:55:27.000 --> 0:55:30.480 less executed, but you can sort of tell that there's 0:55:30.520 --> 0:55:34.000 a moment with halle Berry I'm thinking about specifically, that 0:55:34.120 --> 0:55:38.680 the reaction just feels a little low temperature. For what 0:55:38.760 --> 0:55:42.800 she is looking at on a screen is astronauts being 0:55:43.120 --> 0:55:46.960 eaten by nanobots like a snake, and she's sort of like, 0:55:47.440 --> 0:55:53.000 oh that is that's really too bad, like it's really dead, kind. 0:55:52.880 --> 0:55:56.120 Of stone faced, no reaction whatsoever. 0:55:56.360 --> 0:55:59.279 It's almost as if she were directed to say, like, 0:56:00.080 --> 0:56:04.880 make a facial expression that could mean anything, And halle 0:56:04.920 --> 0:56:09.200 Berry is an incredible expressive actor, so I'm assuming she 0:56:09.440 --> 0:56:13.360 was told to do that. But it's so weird because 0:56:14.440 --> 0:56:19.400 what she ends up looking at is like really a 0:56:19.400 --> 0:56:24.120 good effect, but very graphically horrific. Yeah, it's like her, 0:56:24.360 --> 0:56:27.560 she's the head of NASA. These are we are to 0:56:27.840 --> 0:56:31.799 think some of her like best and brightest astronauts, astronauts 0:56:31.840 --> 0:56:35.600 she would know personally getting eaten by nanobots on camera 0:56:37.040 --> 0:56:41.360 and she's like she's just like, oh no, wow, well 0:56:41.480 --> 0:56:45.799 we should probably we should probably should probably the moose 0:56:46.280 --> 0:56:50.799 this moon. I will say, women in power, this is 0:56:50.840 --> 0:56:53.200 a great I think that Roland Emeric is bringing up 0:56:53.200 --> 0:56:55.760 another feminist idea here, which is that women in power 0:56:55.840 --> 0:56:59.880 is a bad idea because Joe Fowler, I will say it. 0:57:00.239 --> 0:57:04.280 I'll say it. She is not really killing it running NASA. 0:57:04.760 --> 0:57:06.760 She makes a lot of bad calls. 0:57:06.760 --> 0:57:09.399 I would say, there is like a small fuel leak, 0:57:09.600 --> 0:57:12.560 and she disbands NASA. 0:57:13.480 --> 0:57:15.600 She said, never mind, we're gonna get there. 0:57:15.960 --> 0:57:19.920 But I was really kind of stunned at how They're like, well, 0:57:19.960 --> 0:57:23.480 there's a fuel, we don't have the thing to put 0:57:23.520 --> 0:57:25.160 in the thing, and she's like, well, I guess we 0:57:25.280 --> 0:57:31.280 better disband NASA, and then she does. Moments later, consulting, 0:57:31.360 --> 0:57:35.640 no one disbands NASA and everyone in NASA's like, we're 0:57:35.640 --> 0:57:40.600 going to Colorado. Okay, Colorado? Colorado is like, I mean, 0:57:40.720 --> 0:57:42.880 is it like some Denver Airport shit, Like I know 0:57:42.920 --> 0:57:44.880 that there's a lot of I was thinking of Birasy 0:57:44.920 --> 0:57:48.479 theories in Colorado. Yeah, but it also gets you also 0:57:48.480 --> 0:57:51.560 sort of get the feeling that, like the Tourism Bureau 0:57:51.640 --> 0:57:54.400 of Colorado maybe through a couple bucks at this movie, 0:57:54.440 --> 0:57:58.880 like Colorado comes up, Colorado, Lexus, Elon Musk. These are 0:57:58.920 --> 0:58:00.320 just things that keep coming up up. 0:58:00.720 --> 0:58:05.360 Everyone evacuates to Colorado in this movie, or at least 0:58:05.360 --> 0:58:08.160 all the main characters. Yeah, okay, so actually we're about 0:58:08.200 --> 0:58:11.040 to get there. So there's this like mass public panic. 0:58:11.520 --> 0:58:18.640 Brian's ex wife, Brenda's new rich Lexus dealership owning husband 0:58:18.920 --> 0:58:23.840 Tom Lopez played by Michael Penia, wants his family to 0:58:23.920 --> 0:58:28.080 go to Aspen, Colorado for reasons that never become clear, 0:58:28.760 --> 0:58:34.280 so he starts evacuating the family to Aspen. Brian, meanwhile, 0:58:34.560 --> 0:58:38.440 is trying desperately to get his son, Sonny released from 0:58:38.560 --> 0:58:44.080 jail in La Right, his son's Sonny, Son's Sonny. 0:58:44.280 --> 0:58:51.720 There should be the daughter's named Dottery. Yes, it should 0:58:51.720 --> 0:58:55.720 be that easy for us to I know, Dottie maybe Dottie. 0:58:55.840 --> 0:59:00.200 Oh maybe that's it. Wow, Dorothy more like dot Dorothy. 0:59:01.640 --> 0:59:05.000 Yeah, okay, so then Brian sees something on the news 0:59:05.120 --> 0:59:10.920 about how maybe the Moon is a megastructure, and he's like, 0:59:11.040 --> 0:59:15.400 wait a minute, that guy who I thought and who 0:59:15.480 --> 0:59:18.160 belongs in the looney bin, get. 0:59:18.000 --> 0:59:21.920 It more Luner, the mooney bin things, the looney Bend 0:59:22.000 --> 0:59:22.720 or the mooney Bin. 0:59:22.880 --> 0:59:27.160 Yeah, yes, He's like, that guy said something about the 0:59:27.200 --> 0:59:31.760 Moon being a megastructure. So Brian goes to find Casey, 0:59:32.560 --> 0:59:36.960 who continues to carry on about how something must have 0:59:37.040 --> 0:59:43.280 gone wrong inside the hollow megastructure that is the Moon 0:59:43.480 --> 0:59:48.120 and that's why it's veering off course. Now. Meanwhile, a 0:59:48.240 --> 0:59:51.920 NASA spaceship goes to the Moon discovers that there's a 0:59:52.280 --> 0:59:55.320 huge hole in one of the craters, so they drop 0:59:55.440 --> 1:00:02.080 a probe inside, which prompts the sentient swor of spiky 1:00:02.320 --> 1:00:07.360 technology nanobots to come out and kill the three astronauts 1:00:07.360 --> 1:00:09.400 who are on this mission which we were just talking about, 1:00:09.400 --> 1:00:14.160 which halle Berry's character has absolutely no reaction to. Her 1:00:14.240 --> 1:00:19.840 boss is like, fuck this, I'm out. I quit NASA. 1:00:20.200 --> 1:00:23.640 So now Joe is in charge of NASA, and so 1:00:23.760 --> 1:00:27.600 with her new security clearance, she starts digging through some 1:00:27.640 --> 1:00:31.560 classified records, which I guess as the deputy director of 1:00:31.800 --> 1:00:34.400 NASA she had no access to. But now that she's 1:00:34.440 --> 1:00:38.400 in like one step promoted, she has all the clearance 1:00:38.760 --> 1:00:42.240 and she goes to this guy named Holdenfield played by 1:00:42.320 --> 1:00:44.560 Donald Sutherland, who. 1:00:45.760 --> 1:00:49.040 He's literally he reminds me, you know who he reminds 1:00:49.080 --> 1:00:55.520 me of. Do you know that scene in Aladdin where 1:00:55.560 --> 1:00:59.760 there's like that old man in the ja I think 1:00:59.760 --> 1:01:04.440 it's like Jaffar in disguises. Yes, Donald Sutherland's character was 1:01:04.520 --> 1:01:06.640 kind of reminding me of that guy where he just 1:01:06.680 --> 1:01:10.840 comes out of the shadow, reveals some plot and disappears, 1:01:11.280 --> 1:01:13.640 and then the protagonist is like, whoa that it's kind 1:01:13.680 --> 1:01:15.800 of weird. That's kind of what happens. 1:01:15.960 --> 1:01:18.200 That is kind of what happens. Except the thing with 1:01:18.400 --> 1:01:21.760 Donald Sutherland's character is that it is implied that he's 1:01:21.800 --> 1:01:25.840 about to go end his own life right after this, right. 1:01:25.880 --> 1:01:29.800 Jaffar doesn't do that. It is it is bizarre. It 1:01:29.880 --> 1:01:33.120 is bizarre because again we're met with yet another halle 1:01:33.200 --> 1:01:40.000 Berry reaction that is very low temperature given the information 1:01:40.160 --> 1:01:43.280 that's just been conveyed to her. For sure, that scene 1:01:43.320 --> 1:01:46.720 sort of ends with her being like, well, these things 1:01:46.800 --> 1:01:53.600 will happen like it, These moons will fall moons will fall. 1:01:53.720 --> 1:01:57.680 It's like Vanessa Hudgens during COVID, people die, Like it's 1:01:57.760 --> 1:01:59.680 just it's do you remember that. I don't know why 1:01:59.760 --> 1:02:04.920 that that lives in my head, rent Free. It was 1:02:05.000 --> 1:02:10.560 like such a horrific thing to say, and not that 1:02:10.600 --> 1:02:13.600 anyone should be thinking about what Vanessa Haudgens said during COVID, 1:02:13.640 --> 1:02:16.520 but I still think about it. That's kind of halle 1:02:16.520 --> 1:02:19.280 Berry's vibe. She's sort of like, people are gonna die 1:02:19.920 --> 1:02:20.920 and that's sad. 1:02:21.080 --> 1:02:25.640 Yeah. So she now has all this new information, including 1:02:25.640 --> 1:02:31.560 that NASA covered up the nanobot video footage that they 1:02:31.640 --> 1:02:36.840 did get from Brian's helmet cam from the scene that 1:02:36.880 --> 1:02:38.600 we saw at the very beginning of the movie. So 1:02:38.640 --> 1:02:41.640 she's like, oh my gosh, I believe Brian now. So 1:02:42.080 --> 1:02:47.120 she's about to go recruit him. But first, the moon's 1:02:47.600 --> 1:02:52.480 orbit is affecting the tides and the ocean and stuff, 1:02:52.560 --> 1:02:55.920 so water comes gushing on to land and it starts 1:02:56.000 --> 1:03:00.560 destroying La where Brian and cac are. They end up 1:03:00.600 --> 1:03:03.440 trapped in a hotel, so they're just sort of like 1:03:03.680 --> 1:03:08.360 chilling in this hotel. They're like sleeping, hanging out hotel beds. 1:03:08.560 --> 1:03:14.920 There's some like hippie friends of Casey Houseman. Yea there, 1:03:15.160 --> 1:03:17.040 and it's like starting to feel like a movie from 1:03:17.120 --> 1:03:20.760 nineteen ninety seven. And it's like that's because it's Rollin 1:03:20.840 --> 1:03:23.320 Emerick directing it. So in many ways it is a 1:03:23.320 --> 1:03:26.919 movie from nineteen ninety seven. But yeah, they're just kind 1:03:26.920 --> 1:03:27.560 of hanging out. 1:03:27.600 --> 1:03:30.680 They're just chilling. Yeah, yeah, who cares if the moon's falling, 1:03:31.120 --> 1:03:31.960 We're just chilling. 1:03:32.160 --> 1:03:35.200 Just two feminist allies hanging out at a hotel. Nothing 1:03:35.280 --> 1:03:35.760 to see here. 1:03:36.360 --> 1:03:41.640 Yes. Then there's a part where Joe's ex husband, Doug. 1:03:41.640 --> 1:03:46.400 Who only appears in conference rooms the entire movie. 1:03:46.880 --> 1:03:50.280 Yes, and like you said, he is military industrial complex 1:03:50.520 --> 1:03:56.040 the man. He wants to take Joe and their son Jimmy, 1:03:56.920 --> 1:03:58.920 also to Colorado for some reason. 1:03:59.360 --> 1:04:08.320 Well, because that's where it's safe visit Colorado. 1:04:05.880 --> 1:04:09.520 Yes, but Joe is like, I can't go to Colorado. 1:04:09.640 --> 1:04:10.920 I have to go to the moon. 1:04:11.520 --> 1:04:11.600 No. 1:04:12.160 --> 1:04:15.080 Well she does not really tell him that. He finds 1:04:15.120 --> 1:04:20.280 out from Sunny later, right, And that is one of 1:04:20.280 --> 1:04:23.640 my favorite non reactions in the movie, Like Joe and 1:04:23.680 --> 1:04:26.080 her ex husband really found each other because they stay 1:04:26.240 --> 1:04:30.040 not reacting to gigantic pieces of news like that's how 1:04:30.080 --> 1:04:33.040 they became so powerful in the American government by not 1:04:33.120 --> 1:04:36.600 knowing what anyone is saying and being stonefaced in the 1:04:36.720 --> 1:04:42.760 face of absolute horrors. Where she never informs him that 1:04:42.840 --> 1:04:46.280 she is not coming to Colorado. She's given her son 1:04:46.440 --> 1:04:51.000 over with her not girlfriend, it turns out nanny and 1:04:51.400 --> 1:04:54.240 lets her get into this car with a known car 1:04:54.840 --> 1:04:59.600 thief who said, by the way, my license is suspended, 1:05:00.080 --> 1:05:03.120 So showing no regard for her own child safety, even 1:05:03.160 --> 1:05:06.720 though we're told but whatever, it's all about telling, it's 1:05:06.720 --> 1:05:09.480 not about showing. So even though her actions would indicate 1:05:09.520 --> 1:05:12.040 she doesn't care about her son's safety, we're told she 1:05:12.120 --> 1:05:15.320 does care, so she does, so she does. A half 1:05:15.360 --> 1:05:19.960 hour later. A half hour later, the husband calls, or 1:05:19.960 --> 1:05:22.800 the ex husband calls, because they do even a big 1:05:22.800 --> 1:05:25.880 government meetings specify they are no longer married, as if 1:05:25.880 --> 1:05:28.560 there's a camera on them, as if there were studio 1:05:28.600 --> 1:05:31.200 notes saying it's unclear who anyone is to each other 1:05:31.760 --> 1:05:36.080 in this movie. But Sonny, a character this man does 1:05:36.120 --> 1:05:40.680 not know, calls them and says, oh, sorry, your ex 1:05:40.800 --> 1:05:44.920 wife didn't go to Colorado. She actually went to the moon. 1:05:45.520 --> 1:05:48.360 I've got your son. And he's like, oh, okay, well, 1:05:48.880 --> 1:05:54.680 when are you gonna get to Colorado? I was like, what, Okay, 1:05:54.720 --> 1:05:58.040 also consider this, so okay, sorry, you're right this huge bitch, 1:05:58.120 --> 1:06:02.800 huge betch huge bitch. Yeah, damn it, Jamie, I'm sorry, 1:06:02.960 --> 1:06:05.360 stop criticizing this perfect movie. No, I'm about to do 1:06:05.400 --> 1:06:10.920 the same thing. So okay, the moon is famously falling. Yeah, 1:06:10.960 --> 1:06:16.160 and it's affecting gravity on Earth. Well, depending on what 1:06:16.200 --> 1:06:20.439 the plot requires, sure, well exactly. Yeah, but somehow it 1:06:20.520 --> 1:06:25.880 is not affecting the satellites that are orbiting Earth that 1:06:25.920 --> 1:06:29.000 would affect people being able to. 1:06:29.000 --> 1:06:32.960 Make cell phone calls. Oh yeah, because everyone just keeps 1:06:33.000 --> 1:06:36.160 making so many phone calls even though the satellites would 1:06:36.200 --> 1:06:37.000 be so fucked. 1:06:36.800 --> 1:06:43.120 Up gravity affected cell phone reception. Perfect. Yeah, Verizon really 1:06:43.160 --> 1:06:45.240 should have gotten in on this, like. 1:06:45.280 --> 1:06:46.640 Oh my gosh, they should. 1:06:46.320 --> 1:06:49.400 Have missed opportunity. I'm sure they were reached out to. 1:06:50.560 --> 1:06:50.840 Yeah. 1:06:50.920 --> 1:06:53.240 Yeah, that honestly didn't even occur to me. Yeah, everyone 1:06:53.280 --> 1:06:55.400 is making crystal clear phone calls. 1:06:55.160 --> 1:06:59.400 The whole the whole movie. Satellites are working perfectly even 1:06:59.440 --> 1:07:03.080 though the is crashing into all of them. 1:07:03.320 --> 1:07:07.120 Probably it is really fascinating because it's like disaster movies, 1:07:07.240 --> 1:07:11.640 all disaster movies good, Bad, or not have these kinds 1:07:11.640 --> 1:07:14.320 of plot holes present. But if the movie, if you 1:07:14.480 --> 1:07:18.560 like the characters enough and like the visuals are exciting enough, 1:07:19.240 --> 1:07:21.200 you're willing to forget about a lot. 1:07:21.480 --> 1:07:23.280 Yeah, suspension of disbelief, baby. 1:07:23.440 --> 1:07:26.720 But it's interesting that we're noticing these plot holes and. 1:07:26.840 --> 1:07:33.160 Plot holes more like a hole in the moon's crater. 1:07:33.000 --> 1:07:37.120 Moon holes moon hole. Also, they keep saying crater and 1:07:37.160 --> 1:07:40.560 I was like, wow, that's that's great fiance his last name. Yeah, 1:07:40.680 --> 1:07:43.960 people are actually in sci fi movies they're saying his 1:07:44.080 --> 1:07:47.960 last name, and then in movies in the movie Twisters, 1:07:48.040 --> 1:07:51.680 they're saying his first name a lot because there's the 1:07:51.760 --> 1:07:56.080 Daisy what's her name, Daisy? I forget what is act 1:07:56.320 --> 1:07:59.480 name is, but there's a whole thing between her and 1:07:59.520 --> 1:08:02.360 Glenn Power. I remember me and my brother laughed so 1:08:02.520 --> 1:08:06.440 heart in theaters at Grant because there's a repeated line 1:08:06.640 --> 1:08:08.800 of she is like, I need to go get a 1:08:08.800 --> 1:08:12.240 big fat Grant. It's fun by research. 1:08:13.240 --> 1:08:16.919 Oh yeah, wow, both of Grant's names are nouns. 1:08:17.320 --> 1:08:19.479 I know, I know it's weird that it is his 1:08:19.600 --> 1:08:21.920 actual government name, because I was like, it sounds fake, 1:08:22.000 --> 1:08:25.400 but it's real. Anyways, Moonfall. Sorry, I keep getting distracted, 1:08:25.400 --> 1:08:27.960 which is wild because the plot is so riveting. 1:08:28.760 --> 1:08:34.599 Yeah, yes, okay. So then Joe goes to recruit Brian 1:08:35.240 --> 1:08:38.880 and by default because Brian and Casey are buddies. Now, 1:08:38.960 --> 1:08:44.080 so Brian and Casey get recruited to help Joe, but 1:08:44.760 --> 1:08:47.960 they're not sure how they're going to get to the 1:08:48.000 --> 1:08:52.400 moon because according to this movie, all of the spaceships 1:08:52.439 --> 1:08:54.040 are in museums. 1:08:54.640 --> 1:08:59.519 And don't worry about what that means, why that is 1:09:01.720 --> 1:09:05.320 or who made that decision, because you do get the 1:09:05.360 --> 1:09:08.360 feeling that well, I guess it would be halle Berry's boss, 1:09:09.520 --> 1:09:12.840 kind of a patriarchy, the guy kind of guy who 1:09:12.880 --> 1:09:15.920 does quit his job. You know you said earlier he 1:09:16.000 --> 1:09:20.000 quits his job so he could of course go to Colorado. Yeah, 1:09:20.040 --> 1:09:22.439 and then just like hands halle Berry a key card 1:09:22.560 --> 1:09:25.240 and says, you want to be the head of NASA 1:09:25.280 --> 1:09:29.400 so bad? Well you are. Now you go, Now, why 1:09:29.400 --> 1:09:32.400 did that? Assuming that's the guy who put all the 1:09:32.439 --> 1:09:36.479 spaceships in museums, what has NASA been up to? Well, 1:09:36.720 --> 1:09:38.320 all the spaceships are in museums. 1:09:38.439 --> 1:09:43.040 We keep cutting to present day NASA, and they seem 1:09:43.120 --> 1:09:45.120 to be fully operational. 1:09:45.479 --> 1:09:47.719 But then you find out actually all the space ships 1:09:47.720 --> 1:09:50.680 are in museums, which is interesting because we've seen astronauts 1:09:50.720 --> 1:09:55.920 gotten eaten by nanobots today today. Yes, so it's safe 1:09:55.920 --> 1:09:59.000 to assume we were in a spaceship, but maybe that 1:09:59.080 --> 1:10:02.439 was the last space that wasn't in a museum. Follow 1:10:02.520 --> 1:10:04.400 up question, why are the space ships that are in 1:10:04.479 --> 1:10:10.880 museums so loosely secure that there's graffiti on them that 1:10:10.960 --> 1:10:14.639 say fuck the Moon. That's a great question. What museum 1:10:14.720 --> 1:10:18.160 are they in that security is that low? 1:10:18.560 --> 1:10:21.480 It's a museum in La Also. 1:10:21.520 --> 1:10:24.360 Well, clearly they didn't give roll in Emeric any money 1:10:24.400 --> 1:10:26.759 because they made the whole place like pretty low rent. 1:10:26.920 --> 1:10:29.160 Well and then they and they flooded the whole city. 1:10:29.320 --> 1:10:29.880 It's true. 1:10:30.439 --> 1:10:33.760 They said, they said, fuck La Denver is the only 1:10:33.800 --> 1:10:38.040 safe place in the US or Colorado in general. 1:10:38.400 --> 1:10:38.599 Yeah. 1:10:38.680 --> 1:10:42.360 Okay, so they're like, yeah, all the spaceships are in 1:10:42.479 --> 1:10:46.200 museum except for the Endeavor, which is the ship that 1:10:46.240 --> 1:10:48.200 they were on at the very beginning of the movie. 1:10:48.400 --> 1:10:51.360 Oh wait, that's the graffiti ship that says fucked the most. 1:10:51.479 --> 1:10:53.840 Okay, so yeah, it's not in a museum. It was 1:10:54.479 --> 1:10:56.559 just in storage or something. 1:10:56.720 --> 1:11:00.800 It was just at like public storage. 1:11:01.200 --> 1:11:06.400 Yeah. Yeah, So Brian and a few other astronauts prep 1:11:06.880 --> 1:11:09.639 for this mission where they're gonna go to the Moon 1:11:09.760 --> 1:11:11.360 to stop it from falling. 1:11:11.720 --> 1:11:14.400 Well, and it's not a few other astronauts, it's like 1:11:14.960 --> 1:11:17.719 a lot of that, it's most of NASA is preparing 1:11:17.760 --> 1:11:18.559 for this mission. 1:11:19.520 --> 1:11:21.479 A lot of people are there on the ground, and 1:11:21.520 --> 1:11:23.960 then like a handful are actually gonna go into space. 1:11:23.960 --> 1:11:26.160 Is actually gonna go, but it's a big thing. 1:11:26.479 --> 1:11:27.639 Yeah, until of course. 1:11:27.720 --> 1:11:31.080 Operates some sort of like coolant issue, and then NASA 1:11:31.240 --> 1:11:34.920 has to be disbanded, disbanded so that you can all 1:11:34.960 --> 1:11:35.880 go to Colorado. 1:11:36.400 --> 1:11:39.679 So in the meantime, though they're they're prepping for this mission, 1:11:39.960 --> 1:11:45.000 SpaceX gets mentioned. Casey continues to have a raging hard 1:11:45.040 --> 1:11:50.920 on for Elon Musk. Their plan is unclear, but it 1:11:51.040 --> 1:11:57.120 seems like basically they're going to lure the evil spiky 1:11:57.360 --> 1:12:02.960 nanotechnology bots out of the Moon and then blow up 1:12:03.160 --> 1:12:09.080 that swarm with a bomb. I think I wasn't clear. 1:12:09.200 --> 1:12:11.400 Are they gonna blow up the Moon or are they 1:12:11.439 --> 1:12:13.760 just gonna blow up something like near the moo. 1:12:13.840 --> 1:12:17.200 That's such a good question. We're just not too sure. 1:12:17.680 --> 1:12:21.280 I wasn't able to get. But again, it's not the 1:12:21.360 --> 1:12:24.639 movies that is actually one of my favorite things that 1:12:25.160 --> 1:12:28.160 because this is true, but I do think it's overused 1:12:28.200 --> 1:12:32.479 by a certain type of letterbox user who will be like, 1:12:32.560 --> 1:12:35.320 it's not the movie's job to tell you all the answers, 1:12:35.400 --> 1:12:37.720 and then you're like, I do feel like it is 1:12:37.760 --> 1:12:41.400 the movie's job to tell me if the objective of 1:12:41.720 --> 1:12:43.720 most of the movie is to blow the moon up 1:12:44.439 --> 1:12:48.479 or not. There are certain questions that I don't feel 1:12:48.760 --> 1:12:53.439 are pedantic, and in Moonfall, I would like to know 1:12:53.479 --> 1:12:55.479 if they are trying to blow up the moon or 1:12:55.520 --> 1:13:00.960 if they're like trying to do something else. But luckily 1:13:01.720 --> 1:13:05.640 there's like a plot room inside of the moon in 1:13:05.680 --> 1:13:08.439 which things will become even more confusing. But that's we're 1:13:08.479 --> 1:13:12.040 a ways away. First, halle Berry disbands NASA. 1:13:12.000 --> 1:13:17.000 And also before Brian leaves on this mission, he reunites 1:13:17.040 --> 1:13:19.559 with his son Sonny. 1:13:19.760 --> 1:13:22.960 Oh yeah, because that's that's the agreement. He will come 1:13:23.000 --> 1:13:27.240 back for one last hurrah blowing the moon up, possibly 1:13:28.479 --> 1:13:32.839 as long as his son Sonny is let. 1:13:32.680 --> 1:13:37.120 Out of jail. Yeah, yeah, yes, it all makes sense. 1:13:38.040 --> 1:13:42.439 Then what you're referring to happens where an earthquake or 1:13:42.479 --> 1:13:47.640 something destroys one of the spaceship's engines and coolant is 1:13:47.760 --> 1:13:51.280 leaking or something, but they can't go to space anymore 1:13:51.360 --> 1:13:53.679 because there's only two engines left. 1:13:53.880 --> 1:13:56.360 That's like saying, Josh Gadd is no longer available. We 1:13:56.439 --> 1:14:00.000 can't make moonfall. We all have to go to Colorade. 1:14:00.680 --> 1:14:03.200 Come on, right, where's your spirit? 1:14:03.680 --> 1:14:09.320 Well? Kse steps in with some new calculations. 1:14:08.520 --> 1:14:12.640 Much like John Bradley for Josh Gad precisely okay, and 1:14:12.680 --> 1:14:16.559 he's like, wait a minute, if we wait until the moon, 1:14:17.439 --> 1:14:22.960 which is falling, it is directly above us, the gravitational 1:14:23.200 --> 1:14:27.880 pull from the Moon will pull the spaceship up to. 1:14:28.080 --> 1:14:31.760 The Moon, so we don't even need engines, really, we 1:14:31.840 --> 1:14:36.519 just need the Moon's gravity. And everyone's like, yeah, I 1:14:36.520 --> 1:14:39.520 will be honest, I'm so glad that. 1:14:39.160 --> 1:14:43.160 That came through to you, because I was like, I 1:14:43.320 --> 1:14:47.160 was really not sure what his justification for going through 1:14:47.200 --> 1:14:49.680 with it, because it seemed like to me, what it 1:14:49.680 --> 1:14:53.200 seemed like is like, oh no, this issue with the 1:14:53.280 --> 1:14:55.760 cool ANDT is so bad that we have to disband 1:14:55.920 --> 1:15:02.360 an entire government agency. But then an hour later, the 1:15:02.439 --> 1:15:09.040 same person who disbanded said government agency. Halle Berry is like, actually, 1:15:09.240 --> 1:15:12.639 never mind, let's go to space. Let's go to space 1:15:12.840 --> 1:15:16.960 right now. Even though, like I think, canonically NASA and 1:15:17.040 --> 1:15:19.439 by NASA, I mean every employee of NASA who is 1:15:19.560 --> 1:15:22.680 just dismissed from NASA wouldn't have even had time to 1:15:22.680 --> 1:15:24.479 make it to the airport, like they could have come 1:15:24.520 --> 1:15:28.040 back right. She could have been like, sorry, guys, faalse along, 1:15:28.120 --> 1:15:33.320 I shouldn't have disbanded NASA just there. But she's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, 1:15:33.400 --> 1:15:37.920 never mind. Actually could your son? Who Again, this is 1:15:37.920 --> 1:15:40.880 an anti Curst rule show, but like some I would 1:15:40.920 --> 1:15:44.760 not let my young child in the car with an 1:15:44.840 --> 1:15:48.960 eighteen year old who had just been in a very 1:15:49.040 --> 1:15:53.599 dangerous car chase. Agree. I don't think that's good parenting. 1:15:54.320 --> 1:15:54.880 I think no. 1:15:55.120 --> 1:15:59.800 But that's where Joe Fowler has me beat. I just 1:15:59.880 --> 1:16:03.400 like she's playing a game of chess. I'm not well. 1:16:03.439 --> 1:16:05.640 She's amazing, she's trying to have it all. She's a 1:16:05.640 --> 1:16:08.439 woman in stem it's hard to have the director of NASA. 1:16:08.680 --> 1:16:09.840 She's got to got a little moon. 1:16:10.000 --> 1:16:12.920 She's a mom. She's just trying to make it all work. 1:16:13.040 --> 1:16:15.360 You know, her ex husband can't get out of that 1:16:15.680 --> 1:16:18.960 weird room in Colorado he's in anymore than Michael Payna 1:16:19.000 --> 1:16:21.439 can get out of the weird room he's in in Aspen, 1:16:22.000 --> 1:16:25.000 which is also in Colorado. They're already in Colorado. 1:16:25.360 --> 1:16:27.360 Yeah, why are they going elsewhere in Colorado? 1:16:27.439 --> 1:16:28.560 They're all in Colorado. 1:16:29.040 --> 1:16:32.840 So confusing. Okay, So they're waiting for the Moon to 1:16:32.960 --> 1:16:36.840 position itself so that the gravity because somehow, because even 1:16:36.880 --> 1:16:42.120 though the Moon is smaller than Earth, the Moon's gravity 1:16:42.280 --> 1:16:47.240 is strong, and so it's gonna pull the spaceship up 1:16:47.560 --> 1:16:51.599 to the Moon. Maybe that's real science. I don't I'm 1:16:51.600 --> 1:16:54.439 not a I'm not a person in stem. I think 1:16:54.479 --> 1:16:58.960 we can safely say no. But if listeners have dissenting 1:16:59.000 --> 1:17:02.360 opinions and this act comes together quite beautifully, please let 1:17:02.479 --> 1:17:08.320 us know. Okay, So their plans to go into space 1:17:08.439 --> 1:17:13.240 to the Moon are going to move forward. Meanwhile, Sonny, 1:17:13.720 --> 1:17:17.120 little Jimmy, and then this woman Michelle, who we've been 1:17:17.160 --> 1:17:21.719 talking about, played by Kelly You. She is Jimmy's nanny, 1:17:21.800 --> 1:17:25.719 although sometimes it seems like she is Joe's girlfriend also, 1:17:25.960 --> 1:17:27.920 but yes, but no, but yes, but no. 1:17:28.040 --> 1:17:32.360 She's also an exchange student. I don't even know why 1:17:32.400 --> 1:17:33.519 they mentioned that. 1:17:33.720 --> 1:17:35.559 She loudly blurts it out. 1:17:36.520 --> 1:17:40.720 People people did that sometimes I just am like, I'm 1:17:40.720 --> 1:17:45.960 from massive choosett Like you just can't your place of 1:17:46.000 --> 1:17:50.200 origin and occupation. It's just yes, human nature. 1:17:50.280 --> 1:17:53.479 So true. Okay, So the three of them get in 1:17:53.720 --> 1:17:58.679 a truck with sunny driving and they head to you 1:17:58.720 --> 1:18:03.160 guessed it, call Colorado. Sure, they have to outrun a 1:18:03.320 --> 1:18:07.799 huge gravity wave of water that's coming from the ocean. 1:18:08.840 --> 1:18:12.719 They drive for a while, then some hijackers steal their truck, 1:18:12.920 --> 1:18:15.880 so they set off on foot. Yeah, in the middle 1:18:15.880 --> 1:18:19.400 of winter, presum it seems like, because it's snowing. 1:18:20.360 --> 1:18:23.040 And and to be clear, the carjackers, what we know 1:18:23.080 --> 1:18:24.640 about them is that they're. 1:18:24.680 --> 1:18:30.880 They're they're poor, Yeah, and therefore scary violence trust them. 1:18:31.200 --> 1:18:38.120 Right then chunks of the moon start barreling down around them. Sure, 1:18:38.320 --> 1:18:42.559 Back in space, Brian, Joe and Case set a trap 1:18:42.840 --> 1:18:51.160 for the evil nanotechnology monster swarm thing, but it doesn't 1:18:51.240 --> 1:18:55.760 take the bait, so the astronauts decide to take a 1:18:55.880 --> 1:19:01.000 smaller space vessel inside of the Moon. They discover that, 1:19:01.120 --> 1:19:06.120 sure enough, it is a megastructure, and they're like, whoa, so. 1:19:06.120 --> 1:19:10.360 Which means the moon is hollow. The moon is fake. 1:19:11.240 --> 1:19:18.439 The moon landing was fake. Elon Musk is awesome that yes, 1:19:19.520 --> 1:19:22.200 I never Yeah, well whatever, I don't. I can't think 1:19:22.240 --> 1:19:27.080 about Elon Musk anymore today. On our joke episode, Sorry. 1:19:26.680 --> 1:19:29.400 What wait, Genie, what what? 1:19:29.560 --> 1:19:31.920 I'm sorry? I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 1:19:32.720 --> 1:19:41.519 Happy aprifolds everyone. Okay, Back on Earth, Sonny, Jimmy, and 1:19:41.560 --> 1:19:47.840 Michelle link up with Brenda and Tom. They have to 1:19:47.880 --> 1:19:51.120 go find some oxygen tanks because all of a sudden, 1:19:51.200 --> 1:19:56.160 the Earth is running out of breathable air. The hijackers 1:19:56.160 --> 1:19:59.560 from earlier show up with guns, and so they're hassling 1:20:00.680 --> 1:20:03.559 Sonny and friends, but they're able to get away, and 1:20:03.600 --> 1:20:07.800 there's a chase and blah blah blah elsewhere in Colorado. Meanwhile, 1:20:08.400 --> 1:20:12.280 the military is about to launch a nuclear attack at 1:20:12.320 --> 1:20:12.759 the Moon. 1:20:13.080 --> 1:20:16.760 Yeah, which I do appreciate is repeatedly referred to as 1:20:17.320 --> 1:20:21.520 nuking the Moon. That's the kind of disaster movie shorthand 1:20:21.680 --> 1:20:26.120 I show up to hear in the movie noona Moonfall 1:20:26.760 --> 1:20:31.840 is that if halle Berry isn't expeditious in getting the 1:20:31.880 --> 1:20:35.840 Moon saved or exposing the Moon, or whatever the hell 1:20:35.880 --> 1:20:38.320 it is she's supposed to be doing, they're gonna nuke 1:20:38.400 --> 1:20:38.880 the moon. 1:20:39.439 --> 1:20:42.280 Nuke the moon. Yeah, that's a tagline if I've ever 1:20:42.520 --> 1:20:43.000 heard one. 1:20:43.040 --> 1:20:47.240 Now, that's what I call steaks. They're gonna nuke the moon, 1:20:47.400 --> 1:20:49.000 all right, we better get moving. 1:20:49.280 --> 1:20:53.280 Yeah, and really they do because Brian, Joe, and Casey 1:20:53.439 --> 1:20:57.759 are good so fast. They're still inside the Hollow Moon 1:20:57.920 --> 1:21:02.960 Mega structure, where the swarm of nanobots start to go 1:21:03.040 --> 1:21:08.240 after them, but then something seems to save them and 1:21:08.320 --> 1:21:13.000 kind of pull their spaceship to safety. Brian, who has 1:21:13.040 --> 1:21:17.599 gotten separated from the other two, finds himself in a 1:21:17.760 --> 1:21:22.360 room a plot void, a plot void with the Moon's 1:21:22.479 --> 1:21:27.000 operating system, which has taken the form of Sonny when 1:21:27.080 --> 1:21:30.479 he was a little son when he hated New Jersey, 1:21:31.240 --> 1:21:35.479 hated New Jersey. And this is something that the movie 1:21:35.560 --> 1:21:39.960 Moonfall seems to have lifted directly from the movie Contact, 1:21:40.640 --> 1:21:42.120 because do you remember at the end of that movie 1:21:42.160 --> 1:21:45.679 when Jodie Foster is like talking to the alien and 1:21:46.000 --> 1:21:50.320 it takes the form of her father and it's like, yeah, 1:21:50.320 --> 1:21:52.800 this is a form that will be easier to communicate 1:21:52.840 --> 1:21:55.320 with you. In Moonfall does the same exact thing, except 1:21:55.320 --> 1:21:57.799 for its except it's sunny. 1:21:58.160 --> 1:22:03.599 Except it doesn't work. Yeah, it is very confusing this movie. Again, 1:22:03.840 --> 1:22:09.320 I think probably politically it falls on its attitude toward 1:22:09.520 --> 1:22:16.560 I just think because attitudes towards Ai have changed and clarified, 1:22:16.840 --> 1:22:19.120 and I include myself in this too, where like I 1:22:19.160 --> 1:22:21.920 think in twenty twenty two, I don't know how many 1:22:22.040 --> 1:22:26.320 like cogent thoughts I had on Ai other than I 1:22:26.360 --> 1:22:30.120 don't like it. So I wasn't shocked to see a 1:22:30.320 --> 1:22:34.799 sort of bizarre, incoherent view on Ai. 1:22:36.080 --> 1:22:37.440 It's just so coherent. 1:22:37.640 --> 1:22:41.240 It's really confusing because it does seem to be basically 1:22:41.560 --> 1:22:43.360 anti but. 1:22:43.479 --> 1:22:46.439 Except for when it's pro Ai in the movie, right, 1:22:46.520 --> 1:22:49.000 not decide where it lands on Ai. 1:22:48.840 --> 1:22:51.280 Because they're like, because of Ai, well this is what Okay, 1:22:51.320 --> 1:22:53.719 so this is actually going in sequence, Like we learn 1:22:53.880 --> 1:22:58.439 in the plot void that due to Ai there was 1:22:58.479 --> 1:23:02.400 an amazing Utope. Yeah, so AI was good, but then 1:23:02.479 --> 1:23:06.559 AI became sentient, and then AI was bad and now 1:23:07.439 --> 1:23:10.200 there's two. It reminded me a lot of I Frankenstein, 1:23:10.400 --> 1:23:12.360 where you find out deep into the movie there's a 1:23:12.400 --> 1:23:15.160 war between demons and gargoyles, and you're like, there's a 1:23:15.200 --> 1:23:19.040 war between demons and gargoyles. It feels like that, except 1:23:19.040 --> 1:23:22.240 there's like a war between two AI. 1:23:22.880 --> 1:23:27.400 There's benevolent AI and evil AI according to this movie. 1:23:27.200 --> 1:23:30.840 So it really does refuse to choose a side as 1:23:30.880 --> 1:23:33.080 to are we pro AI, and they're like, well, we're 1:23:33.120 --> 1:23:36.120 pro the good AI, and we cannot be more specific 1:23:36.120 --> 1:23:38.160 about what that means. 1:23:38.320 --> 1:23:42.960 Yeah, correct, Yeah, yeah, we can talk more about that, but. 1:23:43.760 --> 1:23:47.280 I really don't want to. But okay, but we can. 1:23:48.160 --> 1:23:51.680 Yeah, I mean I suppose we don't have to. But 1:23:52.040 --> 1:23:58.839 what happens here in the story is this construct of Sonny, 1:23:58.960 --> 1:24:04.639 This AI manifestation of this little boy explains that billions 1:24:04.680 --> 1:24:10.240 of years ago, the ancestors of humans lived in a 1:24:10.680 --> 1:24:15.000 hyper advanced utopian society. 1:24:14.720 --> 1:24:16.320 That like AI made for them. 1:24:16.800 --> 1:24:19.719 It was either AI made for them or they made 1:24:19.760 --> 1:24:21.880 the AI, but we made. 1:24:21.760 --> 1:24:25.480 It for them, we don't know, or that like maintained 1:24:25.600 --> 1:24:27.120 the world, yeah, it says. 1:24:27.720 --> 1:24:32.160 The movie says that this utopian society was controlled by 1:24:32.960 --> 1:24:38.920 a central self learning computer system aka AI. For a while, 1:24:39.000 --> 1:24:44.320 this went great. Human ancestors expanded and built other planets 1:24:44.360 --> 1:24:50.799 which they lived on. They were like doing space colonialism 1:24:51.240 --> 1:24:56.519 and they yeah, but then one day everything changed when 1:24:56.720 --> 1:24:59.760 the AI became self aware and it turned into this 1:25:00.120 --> 1:25:03.479 warm of evil spiky nanotechnology that we have been seeing 1:25:03.479 --> 1:25:07.040 throughout the movie, and that started a war against all 1:25:07.120 --> 1:25:13.120 biological life. Because of that, the ancestors built structures like 1:25:13.280 --> 1:25:19.559 the Moon, which was operated by benevolent AI to try 1:25:19.560 --> 1:25:22.840 to keep them safe from the evil AI, and they 1:25:22.880 --> 1:25:27.000 would send these megastructures to various solar systems looking for 1:25:27.360 --> 1:25:30.360 a new place to inhabit, and one of them being 1:25:30.920 --> 1:25:35.439 our moon. So the Moon gets shot off to our 1:25:35.520 --> 1:25:39.439 solar system. But meanwhile, the evil AI killed all of 1:25:39.439 --> 1:25:42.559 the ancestors. So now it was up to the Moon 1:25:43.479 --> 1:25:48.200 to create Earth from space dust, and it gives birth 1:25:48.240 --> 1:25:52.800 to the Earth, and it puts the DNA for humans 1:25:52.840 --> 1:25:57.840 onto Earth so that humans would eventually evolve. 1:25:58.760 --> 1:26:02.559 I guess I got to my eyes glazed over when 1:26:02.600 --> 1:26:05.200 I heard it in the movie, and I my eyes 1:26:05.240 --> 1:26:07.680 glazed over. Just now, I have no idea what the 1:26:07.720 --> 1:26:10.680 hell happened in that plot. Void they were like like 1:26:10.760 --> 1:26:14.519 to me, my takeaway was like, Okay, so there's a 1:26:14.640 --> 1:26:20.000 war between demons and gargoyles basically pretty much, and both 1:26:20.040 --> 1:26:22.960 sides sound bad, but for some reason, we're on the 1:26:23.000 --> 1:26:27.479 side of gargoyles. Yeah. Using my big I Frankenstein brain, 1:26:27.560 --> 1:26:30.400 I think I was able to basically get there, but 1:26:30.640 --> 1:26:37.160 the AI messaging was completely incoherent, nonsensical, could mean I mean, 1:26:37.320 --> 1:26:39.160 like I think a lot of movies that are trying 1:26:39.200 --> 1:26:42.760 to make a ton of money globally, the messages that 1:26:42.800 --> 1:26:46.400 are supposed to be specific are extremely vague, so that 1:26:46.439 --> 1:26:49.040 they could mean anything to anyone in the hopes that 1:26:49.200 --> 1:26:53.240 everyone will like this movie. And what sometimes happens is 1:26:53.400 --> 1:26:56.880 no one likes it. 1:26:55.680 --> 1:26:58.799 Not us, though we love us. 1:26:59.000 --> 1:27:03.280 We're geniuses. Yeah, we understood that in the War of 1:27:03.320 --> 1:27:07.040 Demons versus Gargoyles, we were of course siding with gargoyles. 1:27:07.040 --> 1:27:09.519 Gargoles. No, but I know what you mean. There were 1:27:09.720 --> 1:27:11.800 several so I watched this movie twice to prep for 1:27:11.840 --> 1:27:16.400 the episode, as I always do. There were specific moments, 1:27:16.920 --> 1:27:19.719 you know, when you're like trying to watch a movie 1:27:19.960 --> 1:27:22.320 or like read a book as you're falling asleep, and 1:27:22.320 --> 1:27:25.439 then you fall asleep at the same exact moment, but 1:27:25.439 --> 1:27:27.400 then you kind of wake up and you rewind because 1:27:27.439 --> 1:27:29.479 you missed it, and then you watch it again and 1:27:29.479 --> 1:27:32.320 then you fall asleep at the same exact moment again. 1:27:33.240 --> 1:27:35.320 This kept happening. While I was watching this movie. I 1:27:35.360 --> 1:27:39.800 would just black out sometimes during specific moments. 1:27:39.880 --> 1:27:43.439 I'm really proud of you that, for our sorry listeners, 1:27:43.439 --> 1:27:46.640 our April Fools episode, which is supposed to be a 1:27:46.720 --> 1:27:51.479 lightlift for us at the show, that you have taken 1:27:51.479 --> 1:27:54.840 it upon yourself to fully understand what happens in this movie, 1:27:54.840 --> 1:27:58.519 because I was like, there's no First of all, with 1:27:58.560 --> 1:28:00.280 all due respect to our listeners, there was no chance 1:28:00.280 --> 1:28:03.800 in hell. I was watching this a second time, and yeah, 1:28:04.080 --> 1:28:07.000 I did rewatch certain scenes to be like, oh my god, wait. 1:28:07.040 --> 1:28:09.120 I totally stopped paying attention in the middle of that 1:28:09.160 --> 1:28:12.840 because it was so confusing and like bizarre. So I 1:28:12.880 --> 1:28:15.320 would like, go, you know, try to keep pace with it. 1:28:15.360 --> 1:28:17.920 But it was like certain sequences like this, I'm like, 1:28:18.680 --> 1:28:22.920 it's not gonna happen. Yeah, Like, ah, I have no 1:28:23.120 --> 1:28:24.160 fucking clue. 1:28:24.000 --> 1:28:28.880 It's utter nonsense. I had to like really force myself. 1:28:29.200 --> 1:28:32.640 I had to like pry my eyes open Clockwork Orange 1:28:32.680 --> 1:28:36.560 style at certain points because I was like, wait, what happens. 1:28:37.160 --> 1:28:39.280 That's sort of like what it feels like with this 1:28:39.360 --> 1:28:42.519 movie and the concept of going to Colorado. You're being 1:28:42.600 --> 1:28:45.880 Clockwork Orange into going to Colorado, the only safe place 1:28:45.960 --> 1:28:46.920 that exist on Earth. 1:28:47.680 --> 1:28:51.600 Yeah, yeah, Okay, So the movie is pretty close to 1:28:51.640 --> 1:28:53.439 being done. Wait, no, I have like so many more 1:28:53.439 --> 1:28:54.840 paragraphs of this recap changing. 1:28:55.600 --> 1:28:58.200 No, Actually a lot of stuff happens at the end, 1:28:58.200 --> 1:29:01.839 but it's like staged in such an abrupt and boring 1:29:02.280 --> 1:29:04.879 I'm kind of dropping the premise of our April Foll's episode, 1:29:05.160 --> 1:29:07.040 but it's like it's staged in such. 1:29:06.880 --> 1:29:10.840 An abrupt and boring way that you kind of forget 1:29:10.840 --> 1:29:13.880 how much happens in comparison to how interesting it is 1:29:13.920 --> 1:29:15.080 to watch and take in. 1:29:15.840 --> 1:29:17.120 So true, yeah, so. 1:29:18.800 --> 1:29:19.200 Sunny. 1:29:19.920 --> 1:29:27.160 The benevolent AI construct explains that they need a human 1:29:27.400 --> 1:29:31.959 to lure the evil AI swarm away from the Moon's 1:29:33.120 --> 1:29:38.200 power core or something which is destroying and that's why 1:29:38.240 --> 1:29:42.160 the Moon is veering off course. They need to destroy 1:29:42.520 --> 1:29:46.000 the AI swarm so that the Moon can return to 1:29:46.080 --> 1:29:50.479 its original orbit, and it's up to Brian and friends 1:29:50.560 --> 1:29:54.400 to do this because for some reason, the super technologically 1:29:54.520 --> 1:30:00.920 advanced Moon doesn't have the technology to save itself. Sure, 1:30:01.080 --> 1:30:06.120 and so Brian, who by the way, has Moon Jedi 1:30:06.240 --> 1:30:09.880 powers now and just can open doors with the wave 1:30:09.960 --> 1:30:16.599 of his hand. Doug Caln sorry sorry, he, Joe and 1:30:16.680 --> 1:30:22.639 Casey get into their once broken spaceship that the moon fixed. Okay, 1:30:23.400 --> 1:30:27.120 to destroy the AI swarm. We cut back to Earth 1:30:27.560 --> 1:30:32.600 where Sunny and company are walking to whatever part of 1:30:32.680 --> 1:30:37.719 Colorado has the military bunker where Doug is. Oh, Doug, 1:30:37.760 --> 1:30:40.679 by the way, uh huh that's her ex husband. Who 1:30:40.960 --> 1:30:41.679 oh yeah. 1:30:41.760 --> 1:30:43.880 Some point they just say the name Doug. And then 1:30:43.960 --> 1:30:47.080 the guy who is always like, I love talking to 1:30:47.120 --> 1:30:50.000 my son on the phone. He's in first grade, like 1:30:50.920 --> 1:30:54.960 Doug a weird guy, a weird, weird guy, but like 1:30:55.120 --> 1:30:58.440 but slayh you know, good for Doug, but good for him? 1:30:58.439 --> 1:31:00.800 Why not? So I look at Dog, I say why not? 1:31:00.920 --> 1:31:03.759 Why not him? 1:31:03.960 --> 1:31:08.320 Okay? Now the Earth is almost out of air, all 1:31:08.360 --> 1:31:11.960 the air leaked out while the Moon was falling into it. 1:31:12.000 --> 1:31:20.120 Oh God, and Michael Penia suffocates and he fucking croaks. 1:31:20.720 --> 1:31:23.880 He I really, and with all due respect to those 1:31:23.880 --> 1:31:27.320 who have lost a loved one in this manner, yes, because. 1:31:27.000 --> 1:31:29.960 Of this manner being the Moon falling into the Earth, 1:31:30.160 --> 1:31:31.840 the Earth's atmosphere. 1:31:32.800 --> 1:31:36.920 It really is implied that Michael Penia is among a 1:31:36.960 --> 1:31:43.800 maximum of ten casualties in this mass disaster. And it 1:31:44.000 --> 1:31:47.320 really I've never seen a death that you're like, oh, 1:31:47.479 --> 1:31:50.040 that's what the word keel over me and. 1:31:50.600 --> 1:31:57.760 He he just kind of falls to the side, and yeah, 1:31:58.160 --> 1:32:01.800 rough rough break from Michael Pina in this one, because 1:32:01.800 --> 1:32:05.000 you're just like, what is going on? 1:32:05.360 --> 1:32:08.000 Like what am I looking at? And the answer is, 1:32:08.080 --> 1:32:08.840 don't worry about it. 1:32:08.920 --> 1:32:10.000 Don't even worry about it. 1:32:10.080 --> 1:32:14.719 I don't worry about it. I just did this. Let 1:32:14.920 --> 1:32:21.360 people enjoy things, just kidding. Please don't let people enjoy things. 1:32:21.560 --> 1:32:22.960 This sucks. 1:32:23.320 --> 1:32:26.200 Yeah, don't don't like what I mean here, Okay, here's 1:32:26.200 --> 1:32:29.439 what I'll say about Moonfall. Please say it. 1:32:29.720 --> 1:32:34.040 Someone has to. As much as this movie blows ass 1:32:34.240 --> 1:32:35.400 in a feminist way. 1:32:35.320 --> 1:32:39.360 In a feminist way, women. 1:32:39.200 --> 1:32:45.320 Can blow ass to or something I do kind of love. 1:32:45.640 --> 1:32:50.360 It's what it's. Moonfall to Me is as I Frankenstein 1:32:50.680 --> 1:32:52.200 is to you. 1:32:52.720 --> 1:32:58.080 Fair enough, fair enough, I I Frankenstein to me is 1:32:58.160 --> 1:33:04.120 the perfect bad movie because at least it focuses on 1:33:04.120 --> 1:33:08.880 one confusing guy and not twenty confusing guys. Sure, and 1:33:09.160 --> 1:33:13.320 say what you will about Adam Frankenstein and I let's 1:33:13.560 --> 1:33:17.680 forget that is his name. We know who this guy is. 1:33:18.439 --> 1:33:21.800 He just is the fucking weirdest guy to ever live. 1:33:21.880 --> 1:33:26.880 For a thing, how it is incredible, just thinking, Wow, 1:33:27.320 --> 1:33:31.240 there are so many ways that you could portray two 1:33:31.320 --> 1:33:35.000 hundred years passing, but the way I Frankenstein does it 1:33:35.120 --> 1:33:38.120 is the best, which is just Aaron Eckhart swinging nunchucks 1:33:38.120 --> 1:33:41.919 at the top of a mountain, and then it fades. 1:33:42.040 --> 1:33:44.799 His outfit changes and all of a sudden, it's twenty fourteen. 1:33:44.920 --> 1:33:47.280 Yeah, he gets a haircut, and it's two hundred years later. 1:33:47.800 --> 1:33:51.839 Oh you know, some would say that I Frankenstein walked 1:33:52.200 --> 1:33:56.240 so that Ghirrimo del Toro's Frankenstein could run. 1:33:56.840 --> 1:34:02.240 Let's talk about that. That's so true. Yeah, that's so true. Okay, 1:34:02.360 --> 1:34:06.720 So so yeah, Michael Panya keels over and dies. This 1:34:07.040 --> 1:34:14.479 I will say, Patrick Wilson shortly will have really no, no, actually, 1:34:15.320 --> 1:34:17.280 there is an iconic scene at the end where they 1:34:17.320 --> 1:34:19.599 all meet at the tip of the Chrysler building. Very 1:34:19.680 --> 1:34:21.920 unclear where this actually is. 1:34:22.040 --> 1:34:23.400 No, this is still in Colorado. 1:34:23.640 --> 1:34:26.360 They're still in Colorado, okay, because they theoretically, I don't 1:34:26.400 --> 1:34:30.040 know how they would have gotten out of Colorado. But 1:34:30.240 --> 1:34:32.639 they they all meet up and then they just sort 1:34:32.640 --> 1:34:36.320 of state what their relationships to each other are at 1:34:36.360 --> 1:34:39.240 the end of the movie, much like they did going Okay, 1:34:39.240 --> 1:34:42.559 so this guy died. Oh that's sad. This guy died. 1:34:42.640 --> 1:34:45.599 Oh that's sad. But we're friends, and you're my son, 1:34:46.160 --> 1:34:49.360 and you're my ex wife, and here's oh and here's 1:34:49.720 --> 1:34:54.639 little Jimmy. And my ex husband is nearby but he's 1:34:54.680 --> 1:35:00.240 not here, and we're friends and oh yeah and Kate. 1:35:00.280 --> 1:35:02.160 Oh wait, well we need to talk about how Casey dies. 1:35:02.240 --> 1:35:04.640 Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry, let me oh, well, we 1:35:04.640 --> 1:35:06.479 need to get to the climax. 1:35:06.000 --> 1:35:09.559 Of the movie. So what would you say is the 1:35:09.560 --> 1:35:10.840 climax of the movie really? 1:35:10.920 --> 1:35:15.280 Well, actually, I think it's pretty I think it's clear. 1:35:15.400 --> 1:35:18.760 Okay, Okay, No, I'm sorry, I'm being a bitch, bitche 1:35:18.880 --> 1:35:20.880 Sorry sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, all right. 1:35:20.880 --> 1:35:25.719 So whatever, Michael Penia dies, Sonny goes looking for him. 1:35:26.520 --> 1:35:32.000 Michelle goes looking for Sonny. Moonchunks are plummeting to the earth. 1:35:33.600 --> 1:35:36.080 He said it like Moonchunks is the name of a character, 1:35:37.680 --> 1:35:40.719 is it not? I think we should write a character 1:35:40.800 --> 1:35:45.480 named moonchunks. But okay, no, sorry, we're back. We're okay. 1:35:45.920 --> 1:35:49.120 So New York City ever heard of it? 1:35:49.560 --> 1:35:49.960 All right? 1:35:50.600 --> 1:35:55.400 Is being ripped apart. The military is minutes away from 1:35:55.520 --> 1:35:58.879 launching their nuclear attack on the Moon. So the steaks 1:35:59.680 --> 1:36:03.559 are higher. The farther the moon falls down, the further 1:36:03.720 --> 1:36:05.120 the stakes rise up. 1:36:05.439 --> 1:36:07.960 Yeah, well, to the people of Colorado, we're really not 1:36:08.000 --> 1:36:10.280 sure we're going out outside of Colorado elsewhere. We don't 1:36:10.280 --> 1:36:12.120 give a shitla freak it out. 1:36:12.880 --> 1:36:17.320 Yeah, okay, So back inside of the moon, Brian in front, 1:36:18.080 --> 1:36:21.559 and let's just pause for a minute to really reflect. 1:36:21.640 --> 1:36:25.160 I'm not laughing, Sorry, that was rude to that. 1:36:25.040 --> 1:36:29.639 Statement of being inside of the moon. Brian and friends 1:36:29.720 --> 1:36:33.920 are flying around in their ship. The evil AI swarm 1:36:34.160 --> 1:36:37.920 is chasing it. Brian reveals his plan that he is 1:36:38.000 --> 1:36:41.759 going to act as bait and sacrifice himself to destroy 1:36:41.880 --> 1:36:47.080 the swarm, but Casey is like, no, I will be 1:36:47.200 --> 1:36:50.679 the one to sacrifice myself. And I have a whole 1:36:50.760 --> 1:36:54.559 spiel on why I think that is. We'll get to it. 1:36:54.800 --> 1:36:57.640 But caitlinus are even two hours in this episode. How 1:36:57.720 --> 1:36:58.800 much are we going to talk about it? 1:36:58.920 --> 1:37:03.559 Okay, fine, all right, I'll okay. So the other two 1:37:03.600 --> 1:37:08.880 astronauts on this mission are Brian and Joe. They each 1:37:09.160 --> 1:37:13.000 have a kid. Casey does not have a kid, and 1:37:13.080 --> 1:37:16.120 I feel like the movie basically suggests that it has 1:37:16.240 --> 1:37:19.880 to be him who sacrifices himself and dies because he 1:37:19.920 --> 1:37:24.200 doesn't have any children. Therefore he is quote unquote expendable. 1:37:24.880 --> 1:37:28.240 The only family he has is a mom with Alzheimer's. 1:37:28.520 --> 1:37:32.160 Well that's also like, right, so he's a caretaker. I mean, 1:37:33.200 --> 1:37:36.559 it's so hard to like because I think I totally agree. 1:37:36.560 --> 1:37:39.840 I think that's one of the reasons. But there's also 1:37:39.960 --> 1:37:42.919 this movie is so playing on so many broad tropes 1:37:42.960 --> 1:37:45.800 that it's like so many reasons. I feel like it 1:37:45.800 --> 1:37:48.080 has to do with like, the least famous person in 1:37:48.160 --> 1:37:51.880 the scene has to die, the least Western beauty standards 1:37:51.960 --> 1:37:55.719 attractive person in the scene has to die, the comic 1:37:55.760 --> 1:37:58.639 relief as opposed to the dramatic hero has to die. 1:37:58.840 --> 1:38:02.960 There's like a Jillian tropes at play here, all at once, 1:38:03.120 --> 1:38:07.680 and all of them, unfortunately indicate that John Bradley must die, but. 1:38:07.400 --> 1:38:09.080 But John Tucker must die. 1:38:09.160 --> 1:38:12.680 But but John Bradley does not die. His consciousness is 1:38:12.760 --> 1:38:14.479 melded with the moon and then he's a part of 1:38:14.479 --> 1:38:21.400 the moon. So no, okay, is it is bad. It's 1:38:21.439 --> 1:38:25.800 like playing on every trope and I mean it just 1:38:25.880 --> 1:38:29.240 and and it's playing on a number of fat phobic tropes. 1:38:29.280 --> 1:38:35.200 It's playing on so many tropes are present here, except 1:38:35.280 --> 1:38:40.479 really with our two protagonists, who are so bland that. 1:38:40.320 --> 1:38:42.519 You're like that there's sort of nothing going on. 1:38:43.080 --> 1:38:46.320 There's they're just dead behind the eyes and they don't 1:38:46.320 --> 1:38:49.479 even bother to imply that maybe these and again I'm 1:38:49.479 --> 1:38:53.240 not saying I honestly, this is actually the rare, the 1:38:53.360 --> 1:38:57.679 rare story where I think that having some romantic chemistry 1:38:57.720 --> 1:39:00.559 between these two actors would have helped me them be 1:39:00.640 --> 1:39:02.880 more interesting to watch. Where I know that, like it's 1:39:02.880 --> 1:39:05.120 the Bechdel Cast and we're not like not every like 1:39:05.240 --> 1:39:08.280 man woman pairing needs to be romantically interested. But it's like, 1:39:09.840 --> 1:39:13.280 what is there between these two people. I'm not feeling 1:39:13.320 --> 1:39:17.720 the friendship, I'm not feeling the resentment of the betrayal. 1:39:18.600 --> 1:39:21.000 We might as well just make the hot people kiss, 1:39:21.040 --> 1:39:23.719 but they don't even touch at the end of the movie. 1:39:23.880 --> 1:39:27.839 There's not even a friendly handshake, Like there is nothing 1:39:27.960 --> 1:39:30.879 between these two people. Well, it feels like Arrested Development 1:39:30.960 --> 1:39:33.320 season four. It's like they're not even like in the 1:39:33.360 --> 1:39:34.479 same room together. 1:39:35.000 --> 1:39:38.640 Wow, so true. Well you're forgetting that they have a 1:39:38.720 --> 1:39:42.400 running inside joke about the lyrics. 1:39:42.000 --> 1:39:43.800 About two Totos Africa. 1:39:44.040 --> 1:39:46.240 Yeah, that is referenced. 1:39:45.880 --> 1:39:53.160 Twice fifteen years apart, and they're like, haha, yes, remember that. 1:39:53.320 --> 1:39:57.960 Remember that he's also referencing the wedding of a failed marriage, 1:39:58.000 --> 1:40:00.400 which I wouldn't necessarily bring up in in front of 1:40:00.400 --> 1:40:04.960 my dear friend, but whatever. Yeah. 1:40:05.040 --> 1:40:08.200 Yeah, if these two characters had been kind of like 1:40:08.280 --> 1:40:11.519 forced together in a romantic kiss at the end or something, 1:40:11.880 --> 1:40:14.479 I would have been like boo. But also, but it's 1:40:14.520 --> 1:40:17.479 like there's nothing between them, so I'm also like between 1:40:17.560 --> 1:40:18.680 two characters. 1:40:19.439 --> 1:40:22.080 Yeah, I just was like, you know, romantic interest. It 1:40:22.120 --> 1:40:25.679 would have been half asked, it would have been trite, 1:40:26.400 --> 1:40:29.719 it would have been vaguely sexist. Yeah, but it also 1:40:29.760 --> 1:40:31.120 would have been something. 1:40:33.920 --> 1:40:39.920 What happens is nothing, absolutely nothing, including when Casey is like, no, 1:40:40.120 --> 1:40:43.439 I'm gonna be the one to sacrifice myself and Brian 1:40:43.520 --> 1:40:49.200 and Joe are like, no, stop, Okay, you can go 1:40:49.240 --> 1:40:50.000 ahead and do it. 1:40:50.520 --> 1:40:52.840 Well, I mean, to be fair, they've known this guy, 1:40:52.880 --> 1:40:56.360 they've been allegedly best friends for a decade, and they 1:40:56.600 --> 1:40:59.599 just met this guy. And also, not for nothing, halle 1:40:59.680 --> 1:41:04.800 Berry's character allegedly has an active restraining order against John 1:41:04.840 --> 1:41:08.799 Bradley's character Oh yeah, which is referenced once in Passing, 1:41:09.439 --> 1:41:16.280 but is said basically as a joke. So yeah, I 1:41:16.280 --> 1:41:21.160 don't know. They all should have blown up. Honestly, the moon. 1:41:21.320 --> 1:41:26.360 Should have just fallen all the way. Yeah. Okay, So 1:41:27.560 --> 1:41:32.160 back on Earth, Sonny has been trapped under a fallen 1:41:32.200 --> 1:41:34.639 tree because the Moon isn't the only thing that's falling. 1:41:35.080 --> 1:41:39.519 Trees are also falling, and he's lightly dying. And then 1:41:39.640 --> 1:41:42.880 Michelle finds him. But then we cut back to space 1:41:43.640 --> 1:41:47.799 and this is the climax. Casey does the sacrificial act 1:41:48.000 --> 1:41:51.280 of being the human bait and he hits the button 1:41:51.560 --> 1:41:58.320 for the bomb, the electromagnetic pulse thing do and it 1:41:58.400 --> 1:42:05.160 destroys the evil swarm. Back to Earth, Michelle saves Sonny, 1:42:05.880 --> 1:42:10.599 but it's mostly gravity doing the heavy lifting. And talk 1:42:10.680 --> 1:42:12.439 about irony. 1:42:12.400 --> 1:42:15.720 Ha ha ha ha. So yeah, Michael Penya and John 1:42:15.720 --> 1:42:18.200 Bradley are the only ones who die, and honestly, John 1:42:18.240 --> 1:42:21.040 Bradley doesn't die. O. Michael Paya is the only character 1:42:21.080 --> 1:42:26.880 who dies, yes, permanently. Rip. Michael Paya does not become 1:42:26.920 --> 1:42:27.679 one with the Moon. 1:42:28.479 --> 1:42:32.519 No, no, he doesn't. No, sad but true. Okay, we 1:42:32.600 --> 1:42:36.280 cut back to space. Brian has passed out, so Joe 1:42:36.320 --> 1:42:40.960 flies her and Brian back to Earth. So I mean, 1:42:41.040 --> 1:42:45.200 look at all these women saving men. Michelle save Sonny, 1:42:45.640 --> 1:42:54.960 Joe saves Brian, and that's feminism. Then Brian and Joe, 1:42:55.040 --> 1:42:59.800 who have conveniently landed in Colorado, of course, reunite with 1:42:59.840 --> 1:43:03.240 their families. There's a scene when you're just describing where 1:43:03.240 --> 1:43:05.720 they just kind of list all the people that they 1:43:05.800 --> 1:43:07.479 know who have also died. 1:43:07.960 --> 1:43:10.960 They're like, all right, so movie's over. Movie is over. 1:43:11.200 --> 1:43:14.479 The moon is returning to its regular orbit, and then 1:43:14.520 --> 1:43:19.840 we cut back inside the moon where an AI construct 1:43:19.880 --> 1:43:23.720 of k C appears and avoid as well as his 1:43:23.840 --> 1:43:33.559 mom and his cat, whose name is fuzz Aldrin. Okay, see, 1:43:33.640 --> 1:43:37.240 I here's what I wrote down. Of all the attempts 1:43:37.320 --> 1:43:40.240 at comedy in this movie, which there are a lot, 1:43:41.240 --> 1:43:44.960 I think that fuzz Aldrin is maybe the cleverest one. 1:43:45.000 --> 1:43:48.760 And that's saying something because it's like pretty good. 1:43:49.040 --> 1:43:52.559 If true, is what I'll say. But it's because but 1:43:52.640 --> 1:43:55.320 it's because a Lizzie Maguire as joke. 1:43:56.400 --> 1:44:00.879 But but but listen to this. It's because the jokes 1:44:01.600 --> 1:44:02.479 keep falling. 1:44:02.840 --> 1:44:09.000 Flat moonflat moonfall more like joke fall joke flat gravity 1:44:09.800 --> 1:44:13.479 is fucking with the jokes and how they land. 1:44:14.040 --> 1:44:20.280 Ay. But yeah, there, So it's something something His mom 1:44:20.400 --> 1:44:24.320 and his cat appear in the Ai Hollow Moon and 1:44:24.360 --> 1:44:25.800 set up a sequel. 1:44:25.439 --> 1:44:30.559 That will never be produced. Because this movie was produced 1:44:30.560 --> 1:44:33.240 on a budget of one hundred and fifty million dollars. 1:44:33.080 --> 1:44:38.360 And independently redependently, which is actually pretty impressive. It isn't 1:44:38.360 --> 1:44:41.160 really speaks to because if you're not familiar, you don't 1:44:41.479 --> 1:44:45.639 remember who Roland Emmerick is. He is a German director 1:44:45.800 --> 1:44:49.880 who is most famous for disaster movies like Independence Day, 1:44:49.920 --> 1:44:53.160 The Day After Tomorrow, twenty twelve, et cetera. And so 1:44:53.720 --> 1:44:57.599 there is a lot of goodwill for him. Yeah, and 1:44:57.640 --> 1:45:02.439 he is like a proven talent at you know, at 1:45:02.960 --> 1:45:05.960 making iconic movies that make a lot of money that 1:45:06.120 --> 1:45:12.920 generally glorify the war industrial complex. But so like he 1:45:13.040 --> 1:45:16.360 raised this money independently after it sounds like years in 1:45:16.400 --> 1:45:20.160 development hell on this and in a rarer situation of 1:45:20.200 --> 1:45:22.840 the Hollywood machine being totally correct, he should not have 1:45:23.240 --> 1:45:23.960 made this movie. 1:45:24.000 --> 1:45:24.840 He should not have made this. 1:45:25.040 --> 1:45:28.080 He hasn't made a movie since. Yeah, it seems like 1:45:28.080 --> 1:45:29.280 it's really. 1:45:29.520 --> 1:45:32.320 Kind of and and it was a huge flop at 1:45:32.320 --> 1:45:36.880 the box office. It only earned sixty seven million dollars. 1:45:36.680 --> 1:45:40.800 It didn't even come out in Canada. Canada said they 1:45:40.880 --> 1:45:42.040 didn't even bother. 1:45:42.080 --> 1:45:45.080 They said, we our theaters are closed due to COVID 1:45:45.880 --> 1:45:47.280 pass yikes. 1:45:48.360 --> 1:45:51.679 Although I mean, what I will say about Rolodemeric outside 1:45:51.680 --> 1:45:54.680 of Moonfall not being good, it's he he is a 1:45:54.720 --> 1:45:59.679 queer icon. He does have a you know, a pretty 1:46:00.320 --> 1:46:06.280 you know, solid record in terms of his politics, especially 1:46:06.280 --> 1:46:11.080 for someone that's powerful. I mean, he has repeatedly advocated 1:46:11.240 --> 1:46:14.439 for In two of his disaster movies, Independence Day and 1:46:14.479 --> 1:46:16.600 The Day After Tomorrow, there are interracial couples that the 1:46:16.600 --> 1:46:20.439 studios did not want him to have, and in Moonfall 1:46:20.520 --> 1:46:25.000 for some reason, he's like, I don't die either, but well, 1:46:25.080 --> 1:46:31.559 I guess Michael Panya and Brenda. But either way, either way, 1:46:31.600 --> 1:46:34.320 I'm just saying, like Roland Ewick seems like a totally 1:46:34.680 --> 1:46:35.439 lovely person. 1:46:35.840 --> 1:46:36.200 Hmmm. 1:46:36.600 --> 1:46:38.360 And also he made Moonfall. 1:46:38.200 --> 1:46:42.800 And he made Moonfall, which I mean, there's not a 1:46:42.800 --> 1:46:48.280 whole lot else that we need to spend time talking about. 1:46:48.800 --> 1:46:51.040 Yeah, I think that, like, at the end of the day, 1:46:51.880 --> 1:46:53.200 there are women in this movie. 1:46:53.479 --> 1:46:55.959 There are one of them is a woman in Stem. 1:46:56.360 --> 1:46:58.360 One of them is a woman in Stem. The rest 1:46:58.400 --> 1:47:03.840 of them are why and girlfriends or acting in a 1:47:03.920 --> 1:47:06.120 maternal acting as mother. 1:47:06.240 --> 1:47:10.599 Their mothers or mother figures or caretakers of some kind, 1:47:10.680 --> 1:47:13.679 including the Moon, who, let's not forget, is the mother 1:47:13.840 --> 1:47:14.439 of the Earth. 1:47:15.040 --> 1:47:18.840 Yes, And in the case of Joe Fowler and the Moon, 1:47:18.960 --> 1:47:21.000 they are liars. 1:47:22.400 --> 1:47:27.719 So they're deceitful. They I'll push back on Joe being 1:47:28.040 --> 1:47:29.880 a liar because. 1:47:29.520 --> 1:47:33.040 She I guess she was gaslt She was. 1:47:33.000 --> 1:47:37.160 Gas lit by NASA, which you know, unsurprising that a 1:47:37.240 --> 1:47:42.160 federal agency of the United States government would be doing 1:47:42.200 --> 1:47:47.240 some fuck shit. And honestly, she doesn't just automatically come 1:47:47.280 --> 1:47:51.559 to a man's defense, and that's actually feminism, So. 1:47:52.160 --> 1:47:55.360 I guess, I don't know. I mean, she and her 1:47:55.439 --> 1:47:59.360 husband are interesting in that. And again it's our April 1:47:59.400 --> 1:48:01.879 Fol's episode, so this isn't going to be the degree 1:48:01.880 --> 1:48:04.280 of analysis he would normally get. But this episode is 1:48:04.320 --> 1:48:08.200 two hours long, so you're welcome. The plot is simply 1:48:08.240 --> 1:48:12.439 that convoluted. Like I think that she NASA has always 1:48:12.479 --> 1:48:15.320 been an interesting branch of the American government, where like 1:48:15.640 --> 1:48:19.920 it is a military industrial complex tool, but I don't 1:48:19.920 --> 1:48:23.479 think it is publicly perceived as being so it has 1:48:23.520 --> 1:48:26.080 been very effectively marketed and I think to some extent, 1:48:26.640 --> 1:48:29.439 I still kind of drink the kool aid on NASA 1:48:29.520 --> 1:48:34.080 of like space exploration is cool, like it's people like 1:48:34.400 --> 1:48:36.439 in my mind, it's people like Elon Musku ruin it 1:48:36.439 --> 1:48:40.559 where they're turning it into colonization and not just learning 1:48:40.560 --> 1:48:43.080 more about the universe that we exist in that is 1:48:43.160 --> 1:48:46.640 very exciting and cool. But here we have and I 1:48:46.640 --> 1:48:49.360 think that this is more effectively done in other role 1:48:49.439 --> 1:48:54.000 in emeric movies like Independence Day, where it almost feels 1:48:54.000 --> 1:48:56.760 like he's like reheating his own nachos a little bit 1:48:57.320 --> 1:49:01.120 of like Okay, so there is like this big industrial 1:49:01.840 --> 1:49:08.000 judicial or whatever executive branch the war Cabinet, and that 1:49:08.160 --> 1:49:14.320 is represented by Doug question marked. And then they are 1:49:14.320 --> 1:49:17.719 the scientists, and they are government scientists, and they are 1:49:17.760 --> 1:49:21.640 patriots and they love America so much, but they're not 1:49:22.680 --> 1:49:26.439 that and it is an interesting sort of tool to 1:49:27.200 --> 1:49:35.559 encourage kind of unquestioning patriotism while seeming counter cultural. I 1:49:35.560 --> 1:49:39.120 think it's like how astronauts are very frequently portrayed in film, 1:49:40.040 --> 1:49:42.479 and we've talked about this in other episodes, but I 1:49:42.479 --> 1:49:45.400 do think it's like an interesting kind of tool that 1:49:45.560 --> 1:49:48.599 is used that is I guess not really worth talking 1:49:48.600 --> 1:49:51.519 about here because it's not effective and it doesn't make 1:49:51.560 --> 1:49:54.680 any sense. But I was thinking about it because there 1:49:54.720 --> 1:49:57.960 are a few lines that either Patrick Wilson or halle 1:49:58.000 --> 1:50:02.640 Berry say that are like, we're not this, we're scientists, 1:50:03.200 --> 1:50:05.680 and yeah, well, I do think that a lot of 1:50:05.680 --> 1:50:09.800 halle Berry's actions do sort of lightly push back or 1:50:09.840 --> 1:50:13.200 like push back on an idea of the government versus 1:50:13.840 --> 1:50:15.559 what I don't know. Do you know what I mean? 1:50:15.640 --> 1:50:17.479 Do you know what I'm saying is like, for sure, 1:50:17.880 --> 1:50:21.280 do I believe that the American government, particularly at present, 1:50:21.320 --> 1:50:23.720 would say We're just gonna nuke the moon? Yes? 1:50:23.760 --> 1:50:24.160 I do. 1:50:24.240 --> 1:50:27.960 Yeah, But I feel like it's like whatever, presented in 1:50:28.040 --> 1:50:31.000 a cartoonish way so that we are not to question 1:50:31.960 --> 1:50:34.839 an institution like NASA. 1:50:35.320 --> 1:50:39.800 Well, I mean, this movie also does something that a 1:50:39.880 --> 1:50:46.240 lot of other movies that are about a global disaster do. 1:50:46.800 --> 1:50:50.800 And we've talked about this on episodes about movies where 1:50:50.840 --> 1:50:54.200 there is a global disaster, but the movie, because it's 1:50:54.280 --> 1:50:57.960 an American Hollywood movie, it will completely center the US 1:50:58.160 --> 1:51:01.479 and act as though the US is the only country 1:51:01.880 --> 1:51:05.960 with people and technology who can figure out what's going on, 1:51:06.360 --> 1:51:10.440 who can handle the disaster that's affecting the whole world. 1:51:10.160 --> 1:51:13.960 Specifically people in the US who live in Colorado, Like 1:51:14.479 --> 1:51:17.320 it is wild how for a movie shot in Montreal, 1:51:17.560 --> 1:51:19.840 which is also very funny given to this movie, I 1:51:19.840 --> 1:51:24.240 will repeat, did not ever come out theatrically in Canada, 1:51:24.800 --> 1:51:28.360 which had to do with COVID restrictions. But I just 1:51:28.400 --> 1:51:30.920 think it's funny that Canada, like you could not have 1:51:30.960 --> 1:51:33.920 seen this movie in Canada if you wanted to. And 1:51:34.320 --> 1:51:36.360 also that this movie came in second place at the 1:51:36.360 --> 1:51:43.040 box office behind Jackass the Jackass reboot, and Jackass made 1:51:43.080 --> 1:51:46.799 three times more money than Moonfall did in this first weekend. Wow, 1:51:47.040 --> 1:51:50.000 it is interesting. I wonder if I don't think there's 1:51:50.040 --> 1:51:54.599 really an appetite for it right now. Disaster movies don't 1:51:54.640 --> 1:51:58.040 tend to perform very well during disastrous times. There is 1:51:58.120 --> 1:52:01.240 not an element of escape. I am not wanting to 1:52:01.280 --> 1:52:05.000 see a disaster movie right now because I could also 1:52:05.280 --> 1:52:09.240 just look outside, I could check the news. 1:52:09.280 --> 1:52:10.120 So very true. 1:52:10.280 --> 1:52:14.680 You know, disaster movies tend to be more commercially successful 1:52:14.840 --> 1:52:20.240 during times historically where they feel more fictional, and that's 1:52:20.240 --> 1:52:22.120 not where we're at historically, and so I was not 1:52:22.360 --> 1:52:28.360 surprised to see that Moonfall did not perform better, which 1:52:28.400 --> 1:52:30.680 is a shame because it is a feminist gem. 1:52:31.320 --> 1:52:37.320 A masterpiece. We've said it before, We'll say it again. Yeah. 1:52:37.520 --> 1:52:39.680 Yeah. Is there is there anything that's like burning in 1:52:39.720 --> 1:52:41.800 your heart that you need to talk to talk about 1:52:41.840 --> 1:52:44.200 with regards to Moonfall? Because I do have notes, but 1:52:44.479 --> 1:52:46.439 I'm also like, I think a lot of them came 1:52:46.479 --> 1:52:48.560 out in the recap. 1:52:49.000 --> 1:52:52.840 Same. I'll just rattle off a few very quick things, 1:52:53.120 --> 1:52:58.320 please fuzz Aldron. There are too many subplots because everyone 1:52:58.360 --> 1:52:59.040 has a sun. 1:52:59.479 --> 1:53:01.719 Oh my gosh, yes, I did really like that. When 1:53:01.800 --> 1:53:04.880 Patrick Wilson can no longer be around his son named Sonny, 1:53:05.200 --> 1:53:08.960 they're just like, so, how does Sonny feel about Michael 1:53:09.000 --> 1:53:13.120 Penia And You're like, who cares? No one cares about 1:53:13.160 --> 1:53:16.479 the cares. They just are like, we don't know. It's 1:53:16.520 --> 1:53:18.559 truly like they cannot think of a quality for the 1:53:18.760 --> 1:53:21.880 son named Sunny outside of having a father, so they 1:53:21.960 --> 1:53:24.880 just give him a different one. And there's like one 1:53:24.960 --> 1:53:28.360 scene between them before Michael Penall like suffocates. 1:53:30.080 --> 1:53:33.280 He's like, there's not much time left here on earth 1:53:33.280 --> 1:53:35.920 because the moon is falling into us. Let's not hate 1:53:35.920 --> 1:53:38.800 each other in these last hours and then Sonny is like, 1:53:39.080 --> 1:53:42.960 I don't hate you, and then Michael Penney's characters like 1:53:43.479 --> 1:53:45.480 I'll take it. End of subplot. 1:53:45.720 --> 1:53:50.400 Okay, the lining was thinking of earlier. And again, I 1:53:50.720 --> 1:53:52.800 don't mean to come off anti NASA. I'm obviously not 1:53:52.880 --> 1:53:56.160 anti NASA. I just mean science as a branch of 1:53:56.160 --> 1:53:59.720 government and all the complications they're in. But there's a 1:53:59.720 --> 1:54:02.040 line Patrick Wilson says. W he says, I'm an astronaut, 1:54:02.160 --> 1:54:05.559 not a soldier. Oh yeah, you know. Yeah, that's more 1:54:05.640 --> 1:54:06.320 what I was thinking of. 1:54:06.960 --> 1:54:14.040 Anyways, there's a part where Sonny says, extremely deadpan, oh shit, 1:54:14.479 --> 1:54:18.839 the moon is rising, and then Michelle, also very deadpan, 1:54:19.040 --> 1:54:22.520 says gravity's gonna go crazy. 1:54:23.160 --> 1:54:26.200 Also, we didn't talk about Sonny's gigantic tattoo. 1:54:27.640 --> 1:54:29.040 Wait I didn't even notice it. 1:54:29.160 --> 1:54:32.680 Oh my god. There's a whole joke about it where 1:54:32.880 --> 1:54:35.720 Sonny shows his gigantic tattoo, which I think is supposed 1:54:35.720 --> 1:54:39.120 to be like a Chinese character. And yeah, Michelle says, oh, 1:54:39.160 --> 1:54:43.400 that says the Jonas brothers. And he goes, what because 1:54:43.400 --> 1:54:45.840 this movie was almost certainly written in two thousand and nine, 1:54:46.600 --> 1:54:49.800 and she's like, just kidding, And then I don't think 1:54:49.840 --> 1:54:52.640 we learned what it actually says. She doesn't so we 1:54:52.720 --> 1:54:54.120 know what it doesn't say, which. 1:54:53.880 --> 1:54:56.000 Is it does not say Jonas brothers. 1:54:56.120 --> 1:54:57.720 Another thing that I had a note of here that 1:54:57.760 --> 1:55:02.640 made me laugh is when the evil people steal Sunny's car, 1:55:03.400 --> 1:55:07.240 they come in with this like weird opening line. I 1:55:07.240 --> 1:55:09.640 think this is when they come back. They come up 1:55:09.680 --> 1:55:13.360 to Sonny and they say the menacing line, so are 1:55:13.400 --> 1:55:14.880 you a college boy? 1:55:15.720 --> 1:55:19.839 Like, okay, well no, here's what happens. He just says, 1:55:20.120 --> 1:55:24.160 everybody calmed down, and then the then the hijackers are like, 1:55:24.840 --> 1:55:29.000 oh okay, smart ass, are you a college boy? And 1:55:29.040 --> 1:55:32.240 it's like he didn't say anything that would indicate literally 1:55:32.280 --> 1:55:33.600 just said can we calm down? 1:55:34.920 --> 1:55:35.960 It was really funny. 1:55:36.240 --> 1:55:36.400 Oh. 1:55:36.440 --> 1:55:38.840 Another good moment was Sonny. A lot of things happened 1:55:38.880 --> 1:55:42.560 to Sunny. I would say, Sonny does very little. There's 1:55:44.000 --> 1:55:46.160 and just to make sure you know who this character 1:55:46.200 --> 1:55:48.040 is supposed to be, they do go through the trouble 1:55:48.040 --> 1:55:51.880 of naming her Karen Ye. There's a woman who is 1:55:51.960 --> 1:55:55.840 a neighbor to Michael Pana in this richy, rich ass 1:55:55.920 --> 1:56:00.280 compound neighborhood that has turned into a compound overnight. Due 1:56:00.280 --> 1:56:03.360 to the moon falling. She has an AK forty seven, 1:56:03.400 --> 1:56:05.200 which I think could be a reference to a number 1:56:05.240 --> 1:56:08.720 of things, clearly a riff on the Karen. Yeah, but 1:56:08.800 --> 1:56:12.320 she has a big, gigantic AK forty seven. It almost 1:56:12.680 --> 1:56:18.960 shoots Sonny and then Michael Pania comes out and says, hey, Karen, relaxed, stop. 1:56:19.440 --> 1:56:21.280 Stop shooting my step son. 1:56:21.680 --> 1:56:23.840 I think it's a joke. I don't know, but I 1:56:23.880 --> 1:56:26.760 honestly am not sure. It is never referenced again. 1:56:26.840 --> 1:56:30.840 Well again, the jokes fall flat because joke fall moonfall. 1:56:31.360 --> 1:56:34.400 Also the fact that it's interesting that you reference that 1:56:34.840 --> 1:56:37.400 everyone has perfect reception the whole time. That is true, 1:56:37.400 --> 1:56:40.640 but they also seem to all have Nokia phones. Why 1:56:40.760 --> 1:56:43.400 was that? Oh yeah, no one has like a no 1:56:43.440 --> 1:56:46.400 one has a smartphone. Because I think that maybe maybe 1:56:46.800 --> 1:56:49.080 Roland Emmerick was like, Apple, do you want to give 1:56:49.080 --> 1:56:50.680 me money? And they said no, and he's like, fine, 1:56:51.280 --> 1:56:52.560 then everyone has a Nokia. 1:56:52.600 --> 1:56:55.200 Nokia gave me ten thousand dollars. 1:56:55.640 --> 1:57:00.720 Yeah, I don't know. There are technically daughters, but they 1:57:00.960 --> 1:57:03.320 like you're saying, like like you said earlier, one of 1:57:03.360 --> 1:57:06.320 them says something precocious and that's it, and one of 1:57:06.360 --> 1:57:09.200 them walks away from from a dying Michael Pani. 1:57:10.320 --> 1:57:14.800 She said, fuck you, Dad, that's kind of all that happens. Yeah, 1:57:14.840 --> 1:57:17.920 those characters are very undercooked. Michelle, I would say, is 1:57:17.960 --> 1:57:21.360 one of the most undercooked characters committed to film in 1:57:21.440 --> 1:57:22.360 recent years. 1:57:22.440 --> 1:57:25.560 It takes us for an hour to even know what 1:57:26.000 --> 1:57:26.880 she who does? 1:57:27.760 --> 1:57:29.480 Truly what is she? 1:57:29.480 --> 1:57:32.120 She's an exchange student, so you're like, Okay, she's a student, 1:57:32.240 --> 1:57:32.400 is she? 1:57:32.720 --> 1:57:36.280 But she works full time as a nanny and lives there. 1:57:36.800 --> 1:57:38.400 Does she does she have time to study? 1:57:38.600 --> 1:57:42.760 I'm curious because Roland Emmerick is a queer icon. I'm 1:57:42.800 --> 1:57:45.880 wondering if that was supposed to be a queer relationship 1:57:45.920 --> 1:57:50.920 and then like that was like reversed or something. That 1:57:51.040 --> 1:57:54.720 introduction scene, I just have like it it felt like 1:57:54.880 --> 1:57:59.280 they were together, I know, and obviously Roland Emmerick is like, 1:57:59.720 --> 1:58:03.320 you know, very He's been very involved in queer activism 1:58:03.360 --> 1:58:06.000 over the years. I'm just wondering if like that was 1:58:06.200 --> 1:58:09.880 how it was originally written and then this script kept changing, 1:58:10.000 --> 1:58:12.040 or maybe they were like, oh, we want this movie 1:58:12.040 --> 1:58:16.200 to show everywhere, including wildly homophobic countries, so we're gonna revert. 1:58:16.280 --> 1:58:19.880 But like, yeah, her character ends up coming off unbelievably vague, 1:58:19.920 --> 1:58:23.960 and then they give her the worst boyfriend available, I 1:58:24.000 --> 1:58:26.840 mean Sonny, And also what is there? What are how old? 1:58:26.840 --> 1:58:29.200 Like Sonny is supposed to be eighteen, he's eighteen. I 1:58:29.240 --> 1:58:31.360 have some idea how old she's supposed to be, but 1:58:31.400 --> 1:58:34.320 the actor is in her thirties, right. 1:58:34.720 --> 1:58:37.520 I didn't quite pick up on as much. I know that, 1:58:37.560 --> 1:58:41.040 like she saves him and that sometimes is like a 1:58:41.080 --> 1:58:44.240 movie telegraphing and they're gonna end up together. But I 1:58:44.280 --> 1:58:47.960 wasn't getting any like romantic vibes between them, so. 1:58:48.080 --> 1:58:51.200 Really, yeah, so this movie is so confusing. I thought 1:58:51.240 --> 1:58:55.120 for sure that was what was intended. That's so interesting. 1:58:55.280 --> 1:58:59.879 Hmmm, well again, everything about this movie is confusing and nonsense. 1:59:00.360 --> 1:59:02.960 So honestly, you could interpret anything and it would be 1:59:03.320 --> 1:59:05.520 both exactly right and exactly wrong. 1:59:05.840 --> 1:59:08.960 I like that we've turned on our own episode. That 1:59:09.040 --> 1:59:11.560 was our idea, you know what. When you said it 1:59:11.560 --> 1:59:12.960 at one point and I was like, oh, we should 1:59:12.960 --> 1:59:14.680 have done that for April Fools and you said the 1:59:14.720 --> 1:59:17.040 word trap, I'm like, we should have done trap. That's 1:59:17.080 --> 1:59:19.120 what we should have done. Oh we should do that 1:59:19.160 --> 1:59:20.080 for Father's Day. 1:59:20.280 --> 1:59:25.520 Trap, I mean fathers and daughters, fathers and daughters. 1:59:25.720 --> 1:59:29.000 I love Trap. At that moment, and Trap or Josh 1:59:29.040 --> 1:59:31.360 Hartnett points at the hole in the floor and it's like, 1:59:31.400 --> 1:59:35.040 should we go down there? It makes me laugh so much. 1:59:36.240 --> 1:59:40.400 I love because Trap is about fathers and daughters in 1:59:40.440 --> 1:59:43.200 a meta way, because it's also about m Night China 1:59:43.360 --> 1:59:48.480 trying to make his daughter's career happen, his daughter, his daughter. Anyways, 1:59:48.800 --> 1:59:50.440 do you have anything else to say about Moonfall? 1:59:50.800 --> 1:59:51.080 No? 1:59:53.000 --> 1:59:55.080 Me either, Oh no. 1:59:55.640 --> 1:59:58.760 I mean probably, but I'm I'm tired. 1:59:59.240 --> 2:00:01.840 Thank you, Thank you all five hundred thousand people who 2:00:01.880 --> 2:00:06.200 requested this episode, five hundred million, five hundred million, which 2:00:06.200 --> 2:00:11.200 again half a billion people portion of our listener. You know, 2:00:11.360 --> 2:00:15.560 if anyone, if any Hollywood power players are listening, can 2:00:15.640 --> 2:00:21.720 someone please utilize Patrick Wilson well, like, just please halle 2:00:21.760 --> 2:00:26.760 Berry and Halle Berry, I just like, these are two 2:00:26.840 --> 2:00:30.560 great actors who have been given dog shit in the 2:00:30.640 --> 2:00:31.640 last decade. 2:00:31.880 --> 2:00:34.600 I feel like halle Berry made Catwoman, and then after 2:00:34.680 --> 2:00:36.440 that she like could not get. 2:00:36.440 --> 2:00:38.920 They blamed it on her. She's still an X Men 2:00:38.960 --> 2:00:41.600 movies after that, but that but yeah, right, and she 2:00:41.760 --> 2:00:43.240 was in Robots. 2:00:43.000 --> 2:00:45.760 But then she was also in was it New Year's 2:00:45.800 --> 2:00:47.480 Eve or Valentine's Day. 2:00:47.680 --> 2:00:49.240 Oh my gosh, wait, let me she was in New 2:00:49.320 --> 2:00:53.480 Year's Eve. She played another episode. I have absolutely no 2:00:53.520 --> 2:00:56.440 recollection of record. She played a character named Nurse. 2:00:56.240 --> 2:00:59.640 Amy, who I think also had a military husband. 2:01:00.600 --> 2:01:04.560 Let her live, leave her alone. Oh my god, all right, 2:01:05.600 --> 2:01:08.240 we gotta get out of here, We gotta get out 2:01:08.240 --> 2:01:11.440 of here. Happy April Fool's Day to all this to 2:01:11.560 --> 2:01:14.400 all the fathers, and Sunny is out there, to all 2:01:14.400 --> 2:01:18.600 the Patrick Wilson's and their Sunnis. This this movie, even 2:01:18.640 --> 2:01:21.040 if it does, does pass the Bechdel test. Oh yeah, 2:01:21.120 --> 2:01:24.640 during it does that same where they're definitely not together, 2:01:24.720 --> 2:01:27.120 and it's an employer and an employee having an intimate 2:01:27.120 --> 2:01:29.800 conversation over Sunrise coffee and she. 2:01:29.840 --> 2:01:33.280 Says, here's your black coffee. It has two sugars in. 2:01:33.240 --> 2:01:37.120 It, women's wrongs. It passes the Bechdel test. And that's 2:01:37.120 --> 2:01:38.520 why I'm giving it five nipples. 2:01:38.800 --> 2:01:42.160 I'm giving it five nipples, and I'm giving it five moons. 2:01:42.440 --> 2:01:45.560 And what is a nipple but a moon? And what 2:01:45.800 --> 2:01:50.200 is a moon but a giant sky nipple? What do 2:01:50.280 --> 2:01:53.480 you ever think about that they have the same shape. 2:01:53.160 --> 2:01:56.280 That people are always Yeah, are you ever on a 2:01:56.360 --> 2:01:58.480 romantic day and then someone puts their arm around you 2:01:58.480 --> 2:02:01.040 and says, look at that. That the old nipple in 2:02:01.080 --> 2:02:01.440 the sky. 2:02:03.360 --> 2:02:10.720 Kiss when the moon hits you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, 2:02:10.800 --> 2:02:15.760 I am gonna give it five big sky nipples, and 2:02:16.000 --> 2:02:21.240 I'm going to give them all to Joe Fowler, feminist 2:02:21.520 --> 2:02:24.040 icon I aspire. 2:02:24.360 --> 2:02:28.800 She inspired me to look with an absolute distant, forty 2:02:29.160 --> 2:02:32.640 yard glaze as I watch people I've known for years 2:02:32.760 --> 2:02:35.880 get eaten by nanobots in high resolution. 2:02:37.280 --> 2:02:38.760 It's it's just iconic. 2:02:39.280 --> 2:02:43.680 It's iconic, and that's feminism. And that's our Moonfall episode. 2:02:44.000 --> 2:02:47.280 Happy April Fools to our listeners. 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