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Speaker 1: On the Bechdelcast.

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Speaker 2: The questions asked if movies have.

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Speaker 3: Women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,

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Speaker 3: or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, Zephyn best

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Speaker 3: start changing with the Bechdel Cast.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Caitlin, Yes, Jamie, what's the matter with you? You're putting

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Speaker 2: the feet of the world in the hands of your

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Speaker 2: podcast partner and some has been ex astronaut.

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Speaker 1: My intro is gonna be Houston. We have a problem.

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Speaker 2: What is it?

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Speaker 1: The moon is falling?

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Speaker 4: Oh no, I okay, Welcome to the Bechdel Cast for

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Speaker 4: I think one of our most requested episodes.

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Speaker 2: Ever, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people have been gagging, foaming, rowling, frothing at the

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Speaker 1: mouth for a Moonfall episode. Frankly gross, It's disgusting.

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Speaker 2: It makes me sick.

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Speaker 1: But we're here to finally honor the request. At least

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Speaker 1: at least probably five hundred million people have requested this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which accounts for about twenty percent of our listeners,

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Speaker 2: so that's pretty big. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. If you're hearing this,

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Speaker 2: it's now April, which means nothing to us except that

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Speaker 2: International Women's Month has concluded and I think that's it.

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure. So yeah, yeah, we're here to sort

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Speaker 2: of give the people what they want and honor your

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Speaker 2: request for a Moonfall episode. If this is your first

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Speaker 2: episode of the Bechtel Cast, this is a great place

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, absolutely, this is a This is a.

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Speaker 2: Show where we talk about your favorite movies, and we

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Speaker 2: mean your favorite, using the Bechtel test as a jumping

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Speaker 2: it's going to be very relevant to today's discussion.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it is a media metric created by friend of

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Speaker 1: the pod, Alison Bechdel.

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Speaker 2: Who is this is her favorite? But actually she's one

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she emails us every day, not a brag, to say,

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Speaker 1: where the hell is the Moonfall episode?

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Speaker 2: Not a brag, but she she was like And then

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Speaker 2: I did follow up with her once and I was like, hey, Alison,

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Speaker 2: what is it about Moonfall? And she emailed me back

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Speaker 2: fuck you, which was like whoa. But you know, people

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Speaker 2: feel really strongly about this movie.

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Speaker 1: They do, and I can see now that I've seen it,

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Speaker 1: I guess multiple times to prep for this episode, I

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Speaker 1: see why. Absolutely, absolutely so anyway a Bechdel test. Many

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Speaker 1: versions of this media metric. The one that we use

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Speaker 1: is do two characters of a marginalized gender have names?

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Speaker 1: Do they speak to each other? And is that conversation

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Speaker 2: And I think that you know, we're really gonna this

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Speaker 2: is a fascinating stress test for the Bechdel test because

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Speaker 2: the protagonist there is a woman in the leading role.

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Speaker 1: Are you talking about the moon?

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Speaker 2: Yes, say, I'm talking about the moon, And like most women,

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Speaker 2: there's more to her than meets the I and that

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Speaker 2: does like basically just turn into a fist, right like

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Speaker 2: These these are the two things that the nanoblot cloud

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Speaker 2: think that, like we want to hold space for this film.

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Speaker 2: I will not call it a movie. It is a film.

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Speaker 1: It's an incredible film.

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Speaker 2: It is a film. It is art house. It actually

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Speaker 1: What are the most expensive, like high budget independent films

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Speaker 2: Yes, And I would say right in terms of men's

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Speaker 1: Yes, Brian Harper disgraced astronaut.

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Speaker 2: It's giving Larry Geely honestly.

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Speaker 2: You can't say it three times. It's like bloody Mary

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Speaker 2: my god, I forgot what Larry Gee's story is all about.

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Speaker 2: But that's for another episode you can no longer listen

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Speaker 1: Should we recover it some day?

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Speaker 2: I don't know if we. I don't know. I don't

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Speaker 2: what is good for the world?

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Speaker 1: Mm well, I was going to pitch a double feature.

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Speaker 1: Maybe this is a Matreon theme. Jelie and Chasing Amy?

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Speaker 2: It would be foolish for that to not be the case.

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Speaker 2: Let I will say, I kept I listened to Skyfall

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Speaker 2: I feel like they tried. It seems like this movie

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Speaker 1: Well, Jamie, if you sorry, I'm sorry, hear me out.

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Speaker 2: I had somehow never seen this. I know that everyone

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Speaker 2: It takes its time. So this was my first full viewing,

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Speaker 1: Unless you're case at the end of the movie getting

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Speaker 2: Spoilers, spoilers, Oh my god, you know that feeling when

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Speaker 1: I know exactly that feeling.

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Speaker 2: I love when they scan my consciousness and I'm part

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Speaker 1: Yeah, spend as much money as you can on it.

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Speaker 2: Please. Yeah, order it from another country on Blu Ray.

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Speaker 2: And like many feminist masterpiece, it was not recognized in

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Speaker 1: Moonfall, Thank you Moonfall. All right, Well, should we take

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Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh.

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Speaker 2: And much like just into Fowlery Brian Harper, we are

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Speaker 1: I mean my favorite is Michael Penia's death.

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Speaker 2: Really, it's it's such a and if he only could

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Speaker 1: Why is the airback? We don't know, because the moon

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Speaker 1: It's so funny.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

441
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: Then we cut to a year and a half later.

442
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: Brian has been fired from NASA following this incident. They

443
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: blame him for Marcus's death, but he maintains that this

444
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: bizarre space anomaly caused the mishap, but of course no

445
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 1: one believes him, including his best friend Joe.

446
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,959
Speaker 2: And this is an important lesson about this is that women,

447
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 2: and I'm glad Will and Emeric brought this up. Women

448
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 2: are deceitful liars who are out to get you. Regardless

449
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 2: of how much you think you can trust them, you can't.

450
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: Yes, that is one of the core tenants of the

451
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 1: feminism of this movie.

452
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 2: I would say, Yeah, you can't trust a woman any

453
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: more than you can trust the concept of the moon belief.

454
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, everything you thought you knew about the moon, the

455
00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: moon's heart. Yes again, is a moon of secrets, a

456
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: deep moon of secrets.

457
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: It's been eighty four moons, moons, eighty four tens, twelve moons.

458
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: Oh, because a moon equals one month. Yes, okay, I see,

459
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: I see the math.

460
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 2: Thank you, I okay, sorry to harp on every single

461
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 2: bit of this masterpiece, but I just I was so

462
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 2: visually captivated, Okay, like maybe maybe you were as well

463
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 2: by the gigantic, unframed, high contrast photo of Patrick Wilson

464
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 2: and his son Sonny that his future ex wife Brenda

465
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: is just staring at.

466
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 5: Yeah.

467
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: No, it was really quite remarkable.

468
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: I've never seen a photo like that in my life.

469
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 2: I have never seen a high contrast CPA photoshopped photo

470
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 2: of Patrick Wilson and a child before and seeing it

471
00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 2: raw and unframed for some reason, I found kind of chill.

472
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: And you're, of course referring to his ex wife, Brenda

473
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: played by Carolina Bartzak, and she is his ex wife

474
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: because this whole incident with Brian in this mishappened space

475
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: has ruined his life. He's fired from NASA and it

476
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: seems to have caused his marriage to fall apart. So

477
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: he separates from Brenda and they have a son together,

478
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 1: and that son, of course, is named as we've said, Sonny.

479
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 2: It sounds ridiculous, but I did it, and so did

480
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: Brian and Brenda. Yeah, names, we have to admit are

481
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: better stated for siblings and for a married couple, but whatever.

482
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: Oh sure the alliteration, yeah, of Brian and Brenda. Then

483
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: we cut to ten years after that we meet Casey

484
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: Housman played by John Bradley of Game of Thrones fame, yes,

485
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: who works as a janitor, or at least pretends to

486
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: be a janitor at UC Irvine so that he can

487
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: break into a professor's office and hack his email so

488
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: that he can access satellite images and data about the

489
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: moon's orbital patterns right and where like exactly.

490
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: I will say this part was supposed to have originally

491
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 2: been played by my longtime nemesis Josh Gadd. True, and

492
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 2: I'm glad that John Bradley is doing it, not Josh Gadd.

493
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: I think that's fair. Some days are hard enough.

494
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, imagine having to watch Moonfall and then Josh.

495
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: Josh gadd performance on top of everything else. It just

496
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been It wouldn't have been right.

497
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: It would have taken an otherwise perfect movie and really

498
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: knocked it down quite a few pegs.

499
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: Although I will say I would have loved to see

500
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: Stanley Tucci. Stanley Tucci, I know in this movie, you know,

501
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 2: but let Michael Pena stay. We did the same performance

502
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 2: next to each other. They are okay.

503
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: Brenda is polyamorous. She has two husbands, Polly, and they

504
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: hang out in.

505
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: A wide range of tastes. Stanley Tucci and Michael Pania.

506
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: I genuinely would love to see a buddy movie with

507
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: those two.

508
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: Oh, that would be great, be fun. Imagine Devilwar's Prada,

509
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: but it's Michael Panya instead of the Stanley Tucci character.

510
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: Or Michael Pania doing the same performance right next to

511
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 2: Stanley Tucci and they're speaking in unison. Yeah. Wow, makes

512
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 2: it's an idea this also, I would say, you know, haters,

513
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 2: haters would say this was maybe a rough year for

514
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: John Bradley filmography wise, because the other big movie he's

515
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,959
Speaker 2: in this year is Marry Me, the j Loo movie.

516
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: Do you remember that?

517
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: I remember it?

518
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: I didn't see it. Is Owen Wilson in that also? Yes,

519
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: j Lo and Owen Wilson are in it together. I

520
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: saw it. I saw it in theaters. That was when

521
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: you were saying Moonfall. I was seeing Marry Me. Wow,

522
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: I said, between the two of us, we saw all

523
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: of John Bradley's work that year. But yes, yeah, he's

524
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 2: playing a guy named k C who I thought was

525
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 2: just Casey that it turns out its case.

526
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: The initials k C.

527
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and he says the moon is hollow. And

528
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: guess what. I think it's an important message that this

529
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: movie holds that conspiracy theorists are correct and we shouldn't

530
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 2: worry about the various restraining orders filed against them. It

531
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: was a mistake.

532
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: It was a mistake because they were right all along.

533
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay, So Casey accesses data about the Moon

534
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: and its orbital patterns, and he sees something really bizarre.

535
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: We don't know what quite yet, but he tries to

536
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: call NASA about it. Cut to a space center in Texas,

537
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: I think, where Joe, who is now the deputy director

538
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: of NASA, is told that the Moon's orbit is shifting

539
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: and the Moon is getting closer and closer to Earth

540
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: as it continues to circle around it, and she's like, what,

541
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: that's impossible.

542
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: And then she says, rather iconically, I think that you know,

543
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 2: for the hyper compident characters that they are, it is

544
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: wild that Joe and Brian do manage to be the

545
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 2: last to know that the Moon is falling because Joe

546
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,479
Speaker 2: is in mission control or whatever this like stage in

547
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: Montreal there in is and she's like, we need to

548
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: make sure this remains contained. And then everyone in unison

549
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: gets a push notification from like the Times saying in

550
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: all caps moon is falling.

551
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: Yes, well that's because Casey leaked the information. But the

552
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: whole thing is like, we don't know the source of this,

553
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: and he is not a credible source. So why the

554
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: world devolves into mass panic after this?

555
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think it could be interesting commentary on,

556
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 2: you know, the state of the news cycle, the state

557
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 2: of defunding journalism, you know, how experts are now being

558
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 2: treated as credible sources when they may not in fact

559
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 2: be credible sources. However, I would say that is undercut

560
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: by the fact that this conspiracy theorist Casey Houseman, of

561
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: course his last name being Houseman because he's a man

562
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: and he lives in a house.

563
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: Just like how when you're a son, your name is son,

564
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: name is sunny.

565
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: And this movie went through descriptment, through many drafts, I'm sure,

566
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: but it's why Casey Houseman. It's tricky because you know,

567
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: it's like, it's one thing to say, oh, we are

568
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: now treating conspiracy theorists with no accreditation as the arbiters

569
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: of truth. This movie bravely asks, but what if they're right?

570
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: But what if Casey house what if every Casey Houseman

571
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: prediction is right and the moon is hollow.

572
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: It's the equivalent of if there was a movie about

573
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: how like a flat earther was like the Earth is flat,

574
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: and then the big reveal is that the Earth is flat.

575
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: Maybe that was what the sequel that tragically hasn't been

576
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: realized yet yet is There is a cliffhanger at the

577
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: end that is very confusing in a feminist way because

578
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 2: it is delivered by a woman. And she says to

579
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 2: Casey Houseman, more like Casey middle of the moonman now

580
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: because they copied his consciousness and now he's a part

581
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 2: of the moon famous. She says, your work is just

582
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: beginning or something like that. I hope you're ready or

583
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,439
Speaker 2: get ready. So there's a lot of work to do.

584
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 2: So maybe this sequel to the moonfall is earth flat.

585
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe we're just going to kind of keep going

586
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: through the big hits in terms of conspiracy theories of

587
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: the late twenty tens, moonfall, earth flat, vaccine, fake you know,

588
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 2: and so on and so forth.

589
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: Yes, I hope, so, I hope, so me too, I

590
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: really hope. So. Okay, So, speaking of Casey, he cannot

591
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: get through to NASA. No one will take him seriously,

592
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: so he has to come up with a different plan.

593
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: And he says out loud to no one, what would

594
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: Elon Musk do?

595
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 2: Now, this is interesting because Elon Musk, you know, obviously

596
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 2: at the time you're listening to this is a full blown,

597
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 2: out and out proud fascist yes, and you know, for

598
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 2: those that have had had eyes on him for years,

599
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: this will come as no surprise. It is just ideology

600
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: that has grown louder and louder as time goes on.

601
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that his position has meaningfully shifted. It

602
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 2: has just increased in volume spree exactly. But there is

603
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: this period, and it makes sense because this movie took

604
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 2: so long to come out. But in the late twenty ten's,

605
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: early twenty twenties where Elon Musk is getting a lot

606
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: of pr in film, I'm thinking of that Lindsay Lohan movie. Yes,

607
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: we watched on Netflix too, where it just and I

608
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: wouldn't say it's free press. I would heavily speculate that

609
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: he is paying for it in some way. Sure, But yeah,

610
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: about how he was for some time sort of positioned

611
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 2: as the man who could save the world with vaguely

612
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: conspiracy theory adjacent ideas. I don't know, I don't know.

613
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: I think the first time I got into an argument

614
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 2: about Elon Musk was in twenty eighteen in the writer's

615
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 2: room for Robot Chicken, in which I got into a

616
00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 2: shouting match with another writer, a man, a man older

617
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 2: than myself, who was really infuriated that I didn't think

618
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 2: Elon Musk was cool, and that really was the basis

619
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 2: of the argument. And so for those of us who

620
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 2: have been beating this drum for a long time, you

621
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: hear that line and you wonder where is this going?

622
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 2: And it's going to a later line that says our

623
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 2: friends over at SpaceX. Yeah, and then I kind of

624
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: lost the thread of where it was supposed to have

625
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: been going other than saying that conspiracies are real, which

626
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: is a feminist idea.

627
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: The thread kids cut right then and there. Pretty much

628
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't go elsewhere.

629
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: Movies don't need to answer every question, No, but it

630
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 2: would be cool. I do feel like most movies answer

631
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 2: at least one a question or presents you with potential

632
00:37:54,760 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 2: answers and choose which you choose to believe. But some

633
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 2: movies are just different, and these are mysterious. So yeah,

634
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: what what what would Elon Musk do? And honestly, I

635
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised if Elon Musk did something similar to Brian,

636
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: which is like wear an embarrassing jacket and complain loudly

637
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: to no one. Yeah, yeah, I wanted to take a

638
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: moment to appreciate how children's dialogue is written in this film.

639
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: Oh let's let's do that.

640
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, the way children talk in this movie is so

641
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 2: true to life. You you would think you're just walking

642
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 2: through a kmart. It is just really a amazing.

643
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: Are there children a kmart?

644
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: Well, there's you're just walking through the world, you know,

645
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 2: you're just listen. I don't know why cam art came down.

646
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 2: I don't even think kmart exists. No, You're just you're

647
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 2: just you're just walking around a playground, like, because it's

648
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 2: everything else that's perverted. You're like, well, I'm not just

649
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 2: walking around a playground. Yeah, any kid would be saying

650
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 2: things like I hate New Jersey. Any kid. There's a

651
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 2: great scene that I really appreciated where Casey is Casey

652
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 2: Houseman is impersonating Brian at the Griffith Observatory, Yes, which

653
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 2: is iconic in many ways. And there's what is okay

654
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 2: wait I wrote this down because.

655
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 1: The kid who says, well, are you going to teach

656
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: us about the moon or not? Yeah, and he says

657
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: it exactly like that.

658
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: Yes, that is exactly what I was talking about. I

659
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: don't know where it went, but yeah, I wrote down

660
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 2: the entire thing because it was so powerful to me.

661
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 2: And then there's like another kid who shockingly talks to

662
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 2: the exact same cadence as the first kid, almost as

663
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 2: if no one was thinking about that. I just really,

664
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: I really really loved it.

665
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: There's a scene where when the earth suddenly starts running

666
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: out of air.

667
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 2: One look out, Michael Penia, watch out, targeting Michael Penia,

668
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 2: only impending doom for him, just him though his and

669
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 2: Brenda's daughter, one of them.

670
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: There's like a there's a news cast and it says

671
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: something like atmospheric dissipation is about to begin, and one

672
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: of the daughters says, what's that? And then the other daughter,

673
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: who's I don't know, maybe nine years old, says the

674
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: earth is running out of air. Sully feminism, as if

675
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: a nine year old child knows what atmospheric dissipation means.

676
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: I don't know what that means. And I'm a hundred

677
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: and don't get me started on Joe Fowler's son, who

678
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 2: one are the weirdest kids ever committed to film? Okay,

679
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: so here's that exchange of the students yelling at Samwell

680
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 2: Tarli Shah grif Ritory, Yes, Okay, he's not two steps

681
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: into the observatory when this kid clocks him and says,

682
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 2: at volume one thousand, our teacher says, you're a wash

683
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: up no show, and she's complaining to someone. You're like, oh.

684
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: A second child says, you really don't look like an astronaut,

685
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: and then the first kid says, calling back to you, well,

686
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: are you going to teach us about space or what?

687
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 2: And it just makes you wonder does Roland Emmericks have

688
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 2: children and does.

689
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: He he ever interacted with a child.

690
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 2: And met them? And then the other kid is Joe's son,

691
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 2: his father, because that is ultimately what the movie is about. Yes,

692
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: And if fathers and sons are separated, well they just

693
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: are like, well, here's Michael Panya and he's a new father,

694
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 2: so okay, Joe follow her son a great one. And

695
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: I really liked that his father, mister Military industrial Complex

696
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: HIMSELFEP is calling hallebar on the phone and saying, how

697
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 2: can you say I'm not spending time with our son.

698
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 2: I talked to him on the phone all the time.

699
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 2: And then you cut like talking about him as if

700
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: he is not six, and then you see a six

701
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: year old, I'm like, what are you talking on the

702
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 2: phone about with this guy, like he talks about his

703
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 2: six year old son like he's a full blown adult, consistently,

704
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 2: to the point where maybe at some point in the

705
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 2: script he was I find the way they talk about

706
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: the kid very weird. Well, okay, sorry, sorry, I'm being

707
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 2: so negative.

708
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: Well yeah, Jamie Howell, I'm being a huge bitch. You're

709
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: being an enormous bitch, and I can't believe it. No,

710
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: But like, let's be let's think about this, Okay. Halle

711
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: Berry she was I think in her mid fifties when

712
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: she was very is Joe Fowler. Joe Fowler, she was

713
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: in her mid fifties when this movie was being filmed

714
00:42:55,040 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: and released. Sure, her son is, yeah, like six years old.

715
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: Not to say that you cannot have a baby.

716
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 2: You can. You can.

717
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I think it's one of those cases where

718
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: they've cast an older actor to play a younger character,

719
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: because heaven forbid, we have a like fifty five year

720
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 1: old woman character on screen.

721
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 2: And I would say that that's feminists in addition to

722
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:30,959
Speaker 2: the pressure that is put on women to look much

723
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: younger than they actually are in order to retain employment

724
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 2: in entertainment, And I think it's equally feminist. How people

725
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: will attack said women for merely responding to how society

726
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 2: is insisting they behave in order to.

727
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: Work, and then they will attack other women who are

728
00:43:55,040 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: less willing to adhere to those societal pressures and say, ooh,

729
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 1: why do you look so old and gross?

730
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 2: Or they will, you know, regard women who are you know,

731
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 2: choosing to age naturally and infantilize them by saying they're brave.

732
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 2: And there's just a million incredible ways to navigate talking

733
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: about women. And they're all normal and they're all really nice. Yeah.

734
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 2: There's also a character we meet who I think takes

735
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 2: again in a way that it's like women are so

736
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 2: complicated in a way that I think takes a very

737
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 2: long time to determine who is this character and what

738
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 2: is she doing? The character Michelle.

739
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Yeah, I was.

740
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: Wrong about who Michelle was in relation to the other

741
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 2: characters about five times before I learned that she is

742
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: an exchange student who is a nanny and perhaps a tutor.

743
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: I'm maybe still not sure what mische Helle is doing.

744
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: It is very unclear.

745
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 2: I first thought she was dating Halle Berry Yes, Barry, yes,

746
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: But then it turns.

747
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: Out halle Berry is her boss.

748
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: Right, and that she's like a nanny who's teaching her

749
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 2: son Mandarin Mandarin.

750
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

751
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 2: But before we can decide who is Michelle, what's going

752
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 2: on with Michelle? Well, she's Sonny's girlfriend. And so then

753
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, thank god, Okay, I was this woman

754
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 2: was getting too complicated. So it's good that she's just

755
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 2: Sonny's girlfriend. Yes, But I did I do. I mean

756
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 2: I did genuinely feel like she and halle Berry. I

757
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 2: thought that, like, you know, because you meet her at

758
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: the house and they have this like conversation about what

759
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 2: seemed like their shared child. Yeah, and I was like, wow,

760
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 2: queer representation, but that you find out several scenes later

761
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 2: actually not no, no queer representation. No, the scene was

762
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: just written weird.

763
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 1: Yes, So glad we got that out of the way.

764
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 2: I felt silly because I was like, wait, it was

765
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: I like, but then I rewatched the scene. I was like, no,

766
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 2: that's the way that they're talking to each other is

767
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 2: very unclear. It was not giving professional relationship.

768
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: No, because like the first time you see Michelle on screen,

769
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: she has okay, actually this is hilarious. It's early in

770
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: the morning, she has a cup of coffee that she

771
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: has made for Joe. And it seems the way it's written,

772
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: in the way it's acted, it seems like here is

773
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 1: a tender gesture, a loving gesture that one partner is

774
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: doing for another partner. Romantic partner. Yes, Nope, it's just

775
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: that Michelle wakes up at four o'clock in the morning

776
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: to make coffee for Joe. Also, she says.

777
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 2: She's like a living nanny, but like, yeah, she's just

778
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 2: very romantic. I don't know. Maybe it's just like these

779
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: these actresses are just so like compelling that I mean,

780
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: I mean they are they're they're beautiful, and so you

781
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 2: want them to be married. I want them to like yeah.

782
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: But the funniest thing about that scene is that Michelle

783
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: hands Joe a coffee and she says, black two sugars. Now,

784
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: if it's a black coffee, there isn't any sugar in it.

785
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 2: Whoa.

786
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: But she says, I made coffee just the way you

787
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 1: like it, black two sugars.

788
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 2: And that's feminism, and that's feminism, and that passes the

789
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:34,919
Speaker 2: Bexel test.

790
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: Yes, it does so.

791
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 2: Early in the movie passes the Bechel test in women

792
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 2: who do have names. Although they're spoken very infrequently, and

793
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 2: their relationship to each other is completely incoherent. Because then

794
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 2: I went on this journey where I went back to

795
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:55,439
Speaker 2: thinking that Michelle was actually dating Joe, just into Joe

796
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: Fowler because you find out her husband. But then it

797
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 2: said much later on, no, it's her ex husband, and

798
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, so she is with Michelle. But

799
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,240
Speaker 2: then Michelle shows up and a scene very much acting

800
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 2: like a nanny. And by that We're well over an

801
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 2: hour into the movie and I'm still trying to glean

802
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:20,479
Speaker 2: the relationships between basic who lived together. I still don't

803
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 2: know who these people are to each other. And then

804
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 2: it turns out no, Michelle is straight single and looking

805
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,720
Speaker 2: to date Patrick Wilson's car thief son named Sonny.

806
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 3: Dug.

807
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

808
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, back to the thing we were on. Casey

809
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: he's trying to come up with a plan to let

810
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: people know that there's something wacky going on with the moon,

811
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: so he goes to disgraced former astronaut Brian Harper, hoping

812
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: that he will help. Through various inters, including the one

813
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: where Casey is loudly blathering on about his moon conspiracy

814
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: theories to children, we learn that case believes that the

815
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: moon is what's called a megastructure, which is an enormous

816
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: artificial construction built by aliens. And then he tells he

817
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: tells Brian Harper that the Moon's orbit has shifted and

818
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: the moon is about to fall into Earth. And so

819
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: Brian thinks that Kse is a lunatic get it, lunatic

820
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: lunar 're.

821
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 2: Like a moona tig.

822
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: Moonatick? Yes? Okay, So then the movie takes a detour

823
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: from the urgent moon situation to introduce a few subplots,

824
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: including Casey taking care of his mother who seems to

825
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: have Alzheimer's and Brian's now eighteen year old son whose

826
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: name is still Sunny, getting arrested after being in a

827
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: high speed car chase.

828
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, like an OJ Simpson style high speed televised car chase. Yes,

829
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 2: as all car chases are televised like their OJ Simpson correct.

830
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, we cut back to Joe. The NASA scientists have

831
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: concluded that in three weeks, the Moon will get too

832
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: close to the Earth and it will basically fall apart

833
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 1: and fling huge moon chunks into the Earth.

834
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 2: Moon will fall, Moon will fall. The fall of the Moon,

835
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 2: The dark, dark of the Moon. I remember that.

836
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: I do remember that. Yeah. I think there is some

837
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: weird conspiratorial moon thing in that Transformers movie too.

838
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 2: Really. I mean I've only seen the first one, but

839
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,959
Speaker 2: that that would track for me. Yeah, I believe that

840
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 2: Michael Bay believes and conspiracors.

841
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, listeners who are familiar with Transformers Dark of the Moon.

842
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: Is the Moon a Transformer or something?

843
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 2: Okay? See, that actually sounds way more fun than Moonfall,

844
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 2: to be honest, I mean, a Moon being a Transformer

845
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:27,240
Speaker 2: would be would be fun.

846
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's what that movie is about,

847
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: but there is. I feel like there is something weird

848
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: about the Moon in that one anyway. So the stakes

849
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: are very high. The moon will fall.

850
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 2: The moon is very low.

851
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: The moon is The stakes are high, but the moon

852
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: is low exactly. Yeah, and so they need to send

853
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: a team of astronauts to the Moon to fix it.

854
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:57,240
Speaker 2: Or something to to tell the Moon to knock it out,

855
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 2: to say stop falling, get up, pull yourself up by

856
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 2: your bootstraps. Moon. Yeah.

857
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: Then the scene where we were just talking about, where

858
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: Casey leaks the info about the Moon's orbit changing and

859
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: now it's trending on Twitter, which everyone believes even though

860
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,280
Speaker 1: no one knows the source of this information.

861
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 2: It is wild how that line of dialogue that exists

862
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 2: in so many movies now sounds wild they dated, like

863
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 2: it's going viral on Twitter, which now would mean kind

864
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,959
Speaker 2: of less than nothing. And it's ironic that whose fault

865
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 2: is that, Well Elon Musk. Yeah, well what Elon Musk

866
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 2: do amongst other things make it so that that line

867
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 2: sounds very dated.

868
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 1: Yes, anyways, so there's like now mass public panic, people

869
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: are fleeing from cities, people are looting, all that kind

870
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: of stuff.

871
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 2: Which again feels like a weird amalgamation and like it

872
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 2: felt to me based on when this movie was written

873
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 2: and produced, felt like a dishonest conflating many issues at once.

874
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 2: Reflection on twenty twenty and in a way that I

875
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: found frustrating in a movie I otherwise love.

876
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: And otherwise perfect movie. Yes, yeah, I can definitely see that,

877
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: But we see so little because like a lot of

878
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: disaster movies, where there's like a global disaster, you see

879
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: a lot more of the chaos that the world has

880
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,439
Speaker 1: descended into. In this movie, there's only like very very

881
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: very quick cuts, mostly as like news coverage. Yeah, you

882
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: barely see anything well and in.

883
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 2: The interesting way. And again, this is an episode coming

884
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 2: out in early April, so we're gonna be doing extra

885
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 2: care in the discussion. But like, it is interesting that

886
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 2: like Roland Emeric is sort of playing on some of

887
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 2: the disaster movie tropes that he helped popular, which are

888
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 2: like anyone in the lower class is kind of like uh,

889
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 2: violent and bass.

890
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: Yeah and uncivilized, et cetera.

891
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 2: But with regard to not showing that the disaster and

892
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 2: the Disaster movie, I would say, Caitlin, you know, in

893
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 2: their defense, they only had one hundred and fifty million dollars,

894
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 2: and so would you be able to show a compelling

895
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 2: image for one hundred and fifty million dollars.

896
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: No, not me. I would blow that entire budget on

897
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: craft services. Yeah, yes, say what you will about this movie.

898
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: I actually think the special effects are decent, which I

899
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: don't think they're amazing, but I think it looks like

900
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: inexpensive movie because it is an expensive movie for sure,

901
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: So it's not like the effects look shitty the way

902
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: that a lot of B movie effects are really like

903
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: shitty looking, Like this movie looks like they spent money

904
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: on it, but it's just that the story is.

905
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 2: And if I'm being critical and I wouldn't know if

906
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 2: I was playing Devil's advocate here, sure sure, I would

907
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 2: say it definitely does look expensive. What I don't think

908
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 2: is that you can you can maybe get the sense

909
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 2: that the actors, more often than that not don't know

910
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 2: what they're supposed to be looking at because the reaction.

911
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 2: And this is not a fault of the actors, because

912
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 2: these effects were probably not even conceived of yet much

913
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 2: less executed, but you can sort of tell that there's

914
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 2: a moment with halle Berry I'm thinking about specifically, that

915
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 2: the reaction just feels a little low temperature. For what

916
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 2: she is looking at on a screen is astronauts being

917
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 2: eaten by nanobots like a snake, and she's sort of like,

918
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 2: oh that is that's really too bad, like it's really dead, kind.

919
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: Of stone faced, no reaction whatsoever.

920
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 2: It's almost as if she were directed to say, like,

921
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 2: make a facial expression that could mean anything, And halle

922
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 2: Berry is an incredible expressive actor, so I'm assuming she

923
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 2: was told to do that. But it's so weird because

924
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 2: what she ends up looking at is like really a

925
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 2: good effect, but very graphically horrific. Yeah, it's like her,

926
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 2: she's the head of NASA. These are we are to

927
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 2: think some of her like best and brightest astronauts, astronauts

928
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 2: she would know personally getting eaten by nanobots on camera

929
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 2: and she's like she's just like, oh no, wow, well

930
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 2: we should probably we should probably should probably the moose

931
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 2: this moon. I will say, women in power, this is

932
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 2: a great I think that Roland Emeric is bringing up

933
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,760
Speaker 2: another feminist idea here, which is that women in power

934
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 2: is a bad idea because Joe Fowler, I will say it.

935
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:04,280
Speaker 2: I'll say it. She is not really killing it running NASA.

936
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 1: She makes a lot of bad calls.

937
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,399
Speaker 2: I would say, there is like a small fuel leak,

938
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 2: and she disbands NASA.

939
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: She said, never mind, we're gonna get there.

940
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 2: But I was really kind of stunned at how They're like, well,

941
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 2: there's a fuel, we don't have the thing to put

942
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 2: in the thing, and she's like, well, I guess we

943
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 2: better disband NASA, and then she does. Moments later, consulting,

944
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 2: no one disbands NASA and everyone in NASA's like, we're

945
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 2: going to Colorado. Okay, Colorado? Colorado is like, I mean,

946
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 2: is it like some Denver Airport shit, Like I know

947
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 2: that there's a lot of I was thinking of Birasy

948
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,479
Speaker 2: theories in Colorado. Yeah, but it also gets you also

949
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 2: sort of get the feeling that, like the Tourism Bureau

950
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 2: of Colorado maybe through a couple bucks at this movie,

951
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 2: like Colorado comes up, Colorado, Lexus, Elon Musk. These are

952
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 2: just things that keep coming up up.

953
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: Everyone evacuates to Colorado in this movie, or at least

954
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: all the main characters. Yeah, okay, so actually we're about

955
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: to get there. So there's this like mass public panic.

956
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: Brian's ex wife, Brenda's new rich Lexus dealership owning husband

957
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: Tom Lopez played by Michael Penia, wants his family to

958
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: go to Aspen, Colorado for reasons that never become clear,

959
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: so he starts evacuating the family to Aspen. Brian, meanwhile,

960
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 1: is trying desperately to get his son, Sonny released from

961
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: jail in La Right, his son's Sonny, Son's Sonny.

962
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 2: There should be the daughter's named Dottery. Yes, it should

963
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 2: be that easy for us to I know, Dottie maybe Dottie.

964
00:58:55,840 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 2: Oh maybe that's it. Wow, Dorothy more like dot Dorothy.

965
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so then Brian sees something on the news

966
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: about how maybe the Moon is a megastructure, and he's like,

967
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: wait a minute, that guy who I thought and who

968
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: belongs in the looney bin, get.

969
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 2: It more Luner, the mooney bin things, the looney Bend

970
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 2: or the mooney Bin.

971
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, He's like, that guy said something about the

972
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: Moon being a megastructure. So Brian goes to find Casey,

973
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: who continues to carry on about how something must have

974
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: gone wrong inside the hollow megastructure that is the Moon

975
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: and that's why it's veering off course. Now. Meanwhile, a

976
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: NASA spaceship goes to the Moon discovers that there's a

977
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: huge hole in one of the craters, so they drop

978
00:59:55,440 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: a probe inside, which prompts the sentient swor of spiky

979
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: technology nanobots to come out and kill the three astronauts

980
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: who are on this mission which we were just talking about,

981
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: which halle Berry's character has absolutely no reaction to. Her

982
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: boss is like, fuck this, I'm out. I quit NASA.

983
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: So now Joe is in charge of NASA, and so

984
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: with her new security clearance, she starts digging through some

985
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: classified records, which I guess as the deputy director of

986
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: NASA she had no access to. But now that she's

987
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: in like one step promoted, she has all the clearance

988
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: and she goes to this guy named Holdenfield played by

989
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: Donald Sutherland, who.

990
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 2: He's literally he reminds me, you know who he reminds

991
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 2: me of. Do you know that scene in Aladdin where

992
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 2: there's like that old man in the ja I think

993
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 2: it's like Jaffar in disguises. Yes, Donald Sutherland's character was

994
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 2: kind of reminding me of that guy where he just

995
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 2: comes out of the shadow, reveals some plot and disappears,

996
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 2: and then the protagonist is like, whoa that it's kind

997
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 2: of weird. That's kind of what happens.

998
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: That is kind of what happens. Except the thing with

999
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: Donald Sutherland's character is that it is implied that he's

1000
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: about to go end his own life right after this, right.

1001
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 2: Jaffar doesn't do that. It is it is bizarre. It

1002
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 2: is bizarre because again we're met with yet another halle

1003
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 2: Berry reaction that is very low temperature given the information

1004
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 2: that's just been conveyed to her. For sure, that scene

1005
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 2: sort of ends with her being like, well, these things

1006
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 2: will happen like it, These moons will fall moons will fall.

1007
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 2: It's like Vanessa Hudgens during COVID, people die, Like it's

1008
01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 2: just it's do you remember that. I don't know why

1009
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 2: that that lives in my head, rent Free. It was

1010
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 2: like such a horrific thing to say, and not that

1011
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 2: anyone should be thinking about what Vanessa Haudgens said during COVID,

1012
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 2: but I still think about it. That's kind of halle

1013
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 2: Berry's vibe. She's sort of like, people are gonna die

1014
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 2: and that's sad.

1015
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. So she now has all this new information, including

1016
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: that NASA covered up the nanobot video footage that they

1017
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: did get from Brian's helmet cam from the scene that

1018
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: we saw at the very beginning of the movie. So

1019
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: she's like, oh my gosh, I believe Brian now. So

1020
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 1: she's about to go recruit him. But first, the moon's

1021
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: orbit is affecting the tides and the ocean and stuff,

1022
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: so water comes gushing on to land and it starts

1023
01:02:56,000 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: destroying La where Brian and cac are. They end up

1024
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 1: trapped in a hotel, so they're just sort of like

1025
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 1: chilling in this hotel. They're like sleeping, hanging out hotel beds.

1026
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 2: There's some like hippie friends of Casey Houseman. Yea there,

1027
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 2: and it's like starting to feel like a movie from

1028
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven. And it's like that's because it's Rollin

1029
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 2: Emerick directing it. So in many ways it is a

1030
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,919
Speaker 2: movie from nineteen ninety seven. But yeah, they're just kind

1031
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 2: of hanging out.

1032
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: They're just chilling. Yeah, yeah, who cares if the moon's falling,

1033
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: We're just chilling.

1034
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 2: Just two feminist allies hanging out at a hotel. Nothing

1035
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 2: to see here.

1036
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: Yes. Then there's a part where Joe's ex husband, Doug.

1037
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 2: Who only appears in conference rooms the entire movie.

1038
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: Yes, and like you said, he is military industrial complex

1039
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 1: the man. He wants to take Joe and their son Jimmy,

1040
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 1: also to Colorado for some reason.

1041
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 2: Well, because that's where it's safe visit Colorado.

1042
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: Yes, but Joe is like, I can't go to Colorado.

1043
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 1: I have to go to the moon.

1044
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 7: No.

1045
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 2: Well she does not really tell him that. He finds

1046
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 2: out from Sunny later, right, And that is one of

1047
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 2: my favorite non reactions in the movie, Like Joe and

1048
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 2: her ex husband really found each other because they stay

1049
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 2: not reacting to gigantic pieces of news like that's how

1050
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 2: they became so powerful in the American government by not

1051
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 2: knowing what anyone is saying and being stonefaced in the

1052
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 2: face of absolute horrors. Where she never informs him that

1053
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 2: she is not coming to Colorado. She's given her son

1054
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 2: over with her not girlfriend, it turns out nanny and

1055
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 2: lets her get into this car with a known car

1056
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 2: thief who said, by the way, my license is suspended,

1057
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 2: So showing no regard for her own child safety, even

1058
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 2: though we're told but whatever, it's all about telling, it's

1059
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 2: not about showing. So even though her actions would indicate

1060
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 2: she doesn't care about her son's safety, we're told she

1061
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 2: does care, so she does, so she does. A half

1062
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 2: hour later. A half hour later, the husband calls, or

1063
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 2: the ex husband calls, because they do even a big

1064
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 2: government meetings specify they are no longer married, as if

1065
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 2: there's a camera on them, as if there were studio

1066
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 2: notes saying it's unclear who anyone is to each other

1067
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 2: in this movie. But Sonny, a character this man does

1068
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 2: not know, calls them and says, oh, sorry, your ex

1069
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 2: wife didn't go to Colorado. She actually went to the moon.

1070
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 2: I've got your son. And he's like, oh, okay, well,

1071
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 2: when are you gonna get to Colorado? I was like, what, Okay,

1072
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 2: also consider this, so okay, sorry, you're right this huge bitch,

1073
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 2: huge betch huge bitch. Yeah, damn it, Jamie, I'm sorry,

1074
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 2: stop criticizing this perfect movie. No, I'm about to do

1075
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 2: the same thing. So okay, the moon is famously falling. Yeah,

1076
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 2: and it's affecting gravity on Earth. Well, depending on what

1077
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:20,439
Speaker 2: the plot requires, sure, well exactly. Yeah, but somehow it

1078
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 2: is not affecting the satellites that are orbiting Earth that

1079
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 2: would affect people being able to.

1080
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 1: Make cell phone calls. Oh yeah, because everyone just keeps

1081
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 1: making so many phone calls even though the satellites would

1082
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: be so fucked.

1083
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 2: Up gravity affected cell phone reception. Perfect. Yeah, Verizon really

1084
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 2: should have gotten in on this, like.

1085
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, they should.

1086
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 2: Have missed opportunity. I'm sure they were reached out to.

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01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that honestly didn't even occur to me. Yeah, everyone

1089
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 2: is making crystal clear phone calls.

1090
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: The whole the whole movie. Satellites are working perfectly even

1091
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: though the is crashing into all of them.

1092
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 2: Probably it is really fascinating because it's like disaster movies,

1093
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 2: all disaster movies good, Bad, or not have these kinds

1094
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 2: of plot holes present. But if the movie, if you

1095
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 2: like the characters enough and like the visuals are exciting enough,

1096
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 2: you're willing to forget about a lot.

1097
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, suspension of disbelief, baby.

1098
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 2: But it's interesting that we're noticing these plot holes and.

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01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: Plot holes more like a hole in the moon's crater.

1100
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 2: Moon holes moon hole. Also, they keep saying crater and

1101
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, that's that's great fiance his last name. Yeah,

1102
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 2: people are actually in sci fi movies they're saying his

1103
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 2: last name, and then in movies in the movie Twisters,

1104
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 2: they're saying his first name a lot because there's the

1105
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 2: Daisy what's her name, Daisy? I forget what is act

1106
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 2: name is, but there's a whole thing between her and

1107
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 2: Glenn Power. I remember me and my brother laughed so

1108
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 2: heart in theaters at Grant because there's a repeated line

1109
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 2: of she is like, I need to go get a

1110
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 2: big fat Grant. It's fun by research.

1111
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:16,919
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, wow, both of Grant's names are nouns.

1112
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 2: I know, I know it's weird that it is his

1113
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 2: actual government name, because I was like, it sounds fake,

1114
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 2: but it's real. Anyways, Moonfall. Sorry, I keep getting distracted,

1115
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 2: which is wild because the plot is so riveting.

1116
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, okay. So then Joe goes to recruit Brian

1117
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 1: and by default because Brian and Casey are buddies. Now,

1118
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: so Brian and Casey get recruited to help Joe, but

1119
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 1: they're not sure how they're going to get to the

1120
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 1: moon because according to this movie, all of the spaceships

1121
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: are in museums.

1122
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 2: And don't worry about what that means, why that is

1123
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 2: or who made that decision, because you do get the

1124
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 2: feeling that well, I guess it would be halle Berry's boss,

1125
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 2: kind of a patriarchy, the guy kind of guy who

1126
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 2: does quit his job. You know you said earlier he

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01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 2: quits his job so he could of course go to Colorado. Yeah,

1128
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 2: and then just like hands halle Berry a key card

1129
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 2: and says, you want to be the head of NASA

1130
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 2: so bad? Well you are. Now you go, Now, why

1131
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 2: did that? Assuming that's the guy who put all the

1132
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 2: spaceships in museums, what has NASA been up to? Well,

1133
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 2: all the spaceships are in museums.

1134
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 1: We keep cutting to present day NASA, and they seem

1135
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 1: to be fully operational.

1136
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:47,719
Speaker 2: But then you find out actually all the space ships

1137
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:50,680
Speaker 2: are in museums, which is interesting because we've seen astronauts

1138
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 2: gotten eaten by nanobots today today. Yes, so it's safe

1139
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 2: to assume we were in a spaceship, but maybe that

1140
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 2: was the last space that wasn't in a museum. Follow

1141
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 2: up question, why are the space ships that are in

1142
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 2: museums so loosely secure that there's graffiti on them that

1143
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:14,639
Speaker 2: say fuck the Moon. That's a great question. What museum

1144
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 2: are they in that security is that low?

1145
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,480
Speaker 1: It's a museum in La Also.

1146
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 2: Well, clearly they didn't give roll in Emeric any money

1147
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:26,759
Speaker 2: because they made the whole place like pretty low rent.

1148
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 1: Well and then they and they flooded the whole city.

1149
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 2: It's true.

1150
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 1: They said, they said, fuck La Denver is the only

1151
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: safe place in the US or Colorado in general.

1152
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1153
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 1: Okay, so they're like, yeah, all the spaceships are in

1154
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 1: museum except for the Endeavor, which is the ship that

1155
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 1: they were on at the very beginning of the movie.

1156
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 2: Oh wait, that's the graffiti ship that says fucked the most.

1157
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, it's not in a museum. It was

1158
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 1: just in storage or something.

1159
01:10:56,720 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 2: It was just at like public storage.

1160
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So Brian and a few other astronauts prep

1161
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,639
Speaker 1: for this mission where they're gonna go to the Moon

1162
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: to stop it from falling.

1163
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 2: Well, and it's not a few other astronauts, it's like

1164
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,719
Speaker 2: a lot of that, it's most of NASA is preparing

1165
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 2: for this mission.

1166
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 1: A lot of people are there on the ground, and

1167
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 1: then like a handful are actually gonna go into space.

1168
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 2: Is actually gonna go, but it's a big thing.

1169
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, until of course.

1170
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 2: Operates some sort of like coolant issue, and then NASA

1171
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 2: has to be disbanded, disbanded so that you can all

1172
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 2: go to Colorado.

1173
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:39,679
Speaker 1: So in the meantime, though they're they're prepping for this mission,

1174
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 1: SpaceX gets mentioned. Casey continues to have a raging hard

1175
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 1: on for Elon Musk. Their plan is unclear, but it

1176
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 1: seems like basically they're going to lure the evil spiky

1177
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 1: nanotechnology bots out of the Moon and then blow up

1178
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: that swarm with a bomb. I think I wasn't clear.

1179
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 2: Are they gonna blow up the Moon or are they

1180
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 2: just gonna blow up something like near the moo.

1181
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 1: That's such a good question. We're just not too sure.

1182
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 2: I wasn't able to get. But again, it's not the

1183
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,639
Speaker 2: movies that is actually one of my favorite things that

1184
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 2: because this is true, but I do think it's overused

1185
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 2: by a certain type of letterbox user who will be like,

1186
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 2: it's not the movie's job to tell you all the answers,

1187
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 2: and then you're like, I do feel like it is

1188
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 2: the movie's job to tell me if the objective of

1189
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:43,720
Speaker 2: most of the movie is to blow the moon up

1190
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 2: or not. There are certain questions that I don't feel

1191
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 2: are pedantic, and in Moonfall, I would like to know

1192
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 2: if they are trying to blow up the moon or

1193
01:12:55,520 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 2: if they're like trying to do something else. But luckily

1194
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:05,640
Speaker 2: there's like a plot room inside of the moon in

1195
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 2: which things will become even more confusing. But that's we're

1196
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 2: a ways away. First, halle Berry disbands NASA.

1197
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 1: And also before Brian leaves on this mission, he reunites

1198
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 1: with his son Sonny.

1199
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because that's that's the agreement. He will come

1200
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 2: back for one last hurrah blowing the moon up, possibly

1201
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:32,839
Speaker 2: as long as his son Sonny is let.

1202
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 1: Out of jail. Yeah, yeah, yes, it all makes sense.

1203
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 1: Then what you're referring to happens where an earthquake or

1204
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:47,640
Speaker 1: something destroys one of the spaceship's engines and coolant is

1205
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 1: leaking or something, but they can't go to space anymore

1206
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 1: because there's only two engines left.

1207
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 2: That's like saying, Josh Gadd is no longer available. We

1208
01:13:56,439 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 2: can't make moonfall. We all have to go to Colorade.

1209
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 2: Come on, right, where's your spirit?

1210
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 1: Well? Kse steps in with some new calculations.

1211
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:12,640
Speaker 2: Much like John Bradley for Josh Gad precisely okay, and

1212
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 2: he's like, wait a minute, if we wait until the moon,

1213
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 2: which is falling, it is directly above us, the gravitational

1214
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 2: pull from the Moon will pull the spaceship up to.

1215
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 1: The Moon, so we don't even need engines, really, we

1216
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 1: just need the Moon's gravity. And everyone's like, yeah, I

1217
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:39,520
Speaker 1: will be honest, I'm so glad that.

1218
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 2: That came through to you, because I was like, I

1219
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 2: was really not sure what his justification for going through

1220
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:49,680
Speaker 2: with it, because it seemed like to me, what it

1221
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 2: seemed like is like, oh no, this issue with the

1222
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 2: cool ANDT is so bad that we have to disband

1223
01:14:55,920 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 2: an entire government agency. But then an hour later, the

1224
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 2: same person who disbanded said government agency. Halle Berry is like, actually,

1225
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 2: never mind, let's go to space. Let's go to space

1226
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 2: right now. Even though, like I think, canonically NASA and

1227
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 2: by NASA, I mean every employee of NASA who is

1228
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 2: just dismissed from NASA wouldn't have even had time to

1229
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 2: make it to the airport, like they could have come

1230
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 2: back right. She could have been like, sorry, guys, faalse along,

1231
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have disbanded NASA just there. But she's like, no, no, no, no, no, no,

1232
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 2: never mind. Actually could your son? Who Again, this is

1233
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 2: an anti Curst rule show, but like some I would

1234
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 2: not let my young child in the car with an

1235
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 2: eighteen year old who had just been in a very

1236
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 2: dangerous car chase. Agree. I don't think that's good parenting.

1237
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 1: I think no.

1238
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 2: But that's where Joe Fowler has me beat. I just

1239
01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 2: like she's playing a game of chess. I'm not well.

1240
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:05,640
Speaker 2: She's amazing, she's trying to have it all. She's a

1241
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 2: woman in stem it's hard to have the director of NASA.

1242
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 2: She's got to got a little moon.

1243
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 1: She's a mom. She's just trying to make it all work.

1244
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 2: You know, her ex husband can't get out of that

1245
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 2: weird room in Colorado he's in anymore than Michael Payna

1246
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 2: can get out of the weird room he's in in Aspen,

1247
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 2: which is also in Colorado. They're already in Colorado.

1248
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, why are they going elsewhere in Colorado?

1249
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:28,560
Speaker 2: They're all in Colorado.

1250
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 1: So confusing. Okay, So they're waiting for the Moon to

1251
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 1: position itself so that the gravity because somehow, because even

1252
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 1: though the Moon is smaller than Earth, the Moon's gravity

1253
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 1: is strong, and so it's gonna pull the spaceship up

1254
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:51,599
Speaker 1: to the Moon. Maybe that's real science. I don't I'm

1255
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 1: not a I'm not a person in stem. I think

1256
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 1: we can safely say no. But if listeners have dissenting

1257
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 1: opinions and this act comes together quite beautifully, please let

1258
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 1: us know. Okay, So their plans to go into space

1259
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 1: to the Moon are going to move forward. Meanwhile, Sonny,

1260
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 1: little Jimmy, and then this woman Michelle, who we've been

1261
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:21,719
Speaker 1: talking about, played by Kelly You. She is Jimmy's nanny,

1262
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:25,719
Speaker 1: although sometimes it seems like she is Joe's girlfriend also,

1263
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 1: but yes, but no, but yes, but no.

1264
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 2: She's also an exchange student. I don't even know why

1265
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 2: they mentioned that.

1266
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 1: She loudly blurts it out.

1267
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 2: People people did that sometimes I just am like, I'm

1268
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 2: from massive choosett Like you just can't your place of

1269
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 2: origin and occupation. It's just yes, human nature.

1270
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 1: So true. Okay, So the three of them get in

1271
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:58,679
Speaker 1: a truck with sunny driving and they head to you

1272
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 1: guessed it, call Colorado. Sure, they have to outrun a

1273
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:07,799
Speaker 1: huge gravity wave of water that's coming from the ocean.

1274
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:12,719
Speaker 1: They drive for a while, then some hijackers steal their truck,

1275
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 1: so they set off on foot. Yeah, in the middle

1276
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 1: of winter, presum it seems like, because it's snowing.

1277
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 2: And and to be clear, the carjackers, what we know

1278
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:24,640
Speaker 2: about them is that they're.

1279
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 1: They're they're poor, Yeah, and therefore scary violence trust them.

1280
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 1: Right then chunks of the moon start barreling down around them. Sure,

1281
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 1: Back in space, Brian, Joe and Case set a trap

1282
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 1: for the evil nanotechnology monster swarm thing, but it doesn't

1283
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 1: take the bait, so the astronauts decide to take a

1284
01:18:55,880 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: smaller space vessel inside of the Moon. They discover that,

1285
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 1: sure enough, it is a megastructure, and they're like, whoa, so.

1286
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 2: Which means the moon is hollow. The moon is fake.

1287
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 2: The moon landing was fake. Elon Musk is awesome that yes,

1288
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 2: I never Yeah, well whatever, I don't. I can't think

1289
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 2: about Elon Musk anymore today. On our joke episode, Sorry.

1290
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 1: What wait, Genie, what what?

1291
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 2: I'm sorry? I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

1292
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 1: Happy aprifolds everyone. Okay, Back on Earth, Sonny, Jimmy, and

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Speaker 1: Michelle link up with Brenda and Tom. They have to

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Speaker 1: go find some oxygen tanks because all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: the Earth is running out of breathable air. The hijackers

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Speaker 1: from earlier show up with guns, and so they're hassling

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Speaker 1: Sonny and friends, but they're able to get away, and

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Speaker 1: there's a chase and blah blah blah elsewhere in Colorado. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: the military is about to launch a nuclear attack at

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Speaker 1: the Moon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which I do appreciate is repeatedly referred to as

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Speaker 2: nuking the Moon. That's the kind of disaster movie shorthand

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Speaker 2: I show up to hear in the movie noona Moonfall

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Speaker 2: is that if halle Berry isn't expeditious in getting the

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Speaker 2: Moon saved or exposing the Moon, or whatever the hell

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Speaker 2: it is she's supposed to be doing, they're gonna nuke

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Speaker 2: the moon.

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Speaker 1: Nuke the moon. Yeah, that's a tagline if I've ever

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Speaker 1: heard one.

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Speaker 2: Now, that's what I call steaks. They're gonna nuke the moon,

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Speaker 2: all right, we better get moving.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and really they do because Brian, Joe, and Casey

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Speaker 1: are good so fast. They're still inside the Hollow Moon

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Speaker 1: Mega structure, where the swarm of nanobots start to go

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Speaker 1: after them, but then something seems to save them and

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Speaker 1: kind of pull their spaceship to safety. Brian, who has

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Speaker 1: gotten separated from the other two, finds himself in a

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Speaker 1: room a plot void, a plot void with the Moon's

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Speaker 1: operating system, which has taken the form of Sonny when

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Speaker 1: he was a little son when he hated New Jersey,

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01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 1: hated New Jersey. And this is something that the movie

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01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 1: Moonfall seems to have lifted directly from the movie Contact,

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Speaker 1: because do you remember at the end of that movie

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Speaker 1: when Jodie Foster is like talking to the alien and

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Speaker 1: it takes the form of her father and it's like, yeah,

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01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 1: this is a form that will be easier to communicate

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Speaker 1: with you. In Moonfall does the same exact thing, except

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01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:57,799
Speaker 1: for its except it's sunny.

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Speaker 2: Except it doesn't work. Yeah, it is very confusing this movie. Again,

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Speaker 2: I think probably politically it falls on its attitude toward

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01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:16,560
Speaker 2: I just think because attitudes towards Ai have changed and clarified,

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Speaker 2: and I include myself in this too, where like I

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Speaker 2: think in twenty twenty two, I don't know how many

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Speaker 2: like cogent thoughts I had on Ai other than I

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01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 2: don't like it. So I wasn't shocked to see a

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01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:34,799
Speaker 2: sort of bizarre, incoherent view on Ai.

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Speaker 1: It's just so coherent.

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Speaker 2: It's really confusing because it does seem to be basically

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01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 2: anti but.

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Speaker 1: Except for when it's pro Ai in the movie, right,

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01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 1: not decide where it lands on Ai.

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Speaker 2: Because they're like, because of Ai, well this is what Okay,

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Speaker 2: so this is actually going in sequence, Like we learn

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Speaker 2: in the plot void that due to Ai there was

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01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 2: an amazing Utope. Yeah, so AI was good, but then

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Speaker 2: AI became sentient, and then AI was bad and now

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Speaker 2: there's two. It reminded me a lot of I Frankenstein,

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01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 2: where you find out deep into the movie there's a

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01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 2: war between demons and gargoyles, and you're like, there's a

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01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 2: war between demons and gargoyles. It feels like that, except

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Speaker 2: there's like a war between two AI.

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Speaker 1: There's benevolent AI and evil AI according to this movie.

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01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 2: So it really does refuse to choose a side as

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01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 2: to are we pro AI, and they're like, well, we're

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01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 2: pro the good AI, and we cannot be more specific

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Speaker 2: about what that means.

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01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, correct, Yeah, yeah, we can talk more about that, but.

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Speaker 2: I really don't want to. But okay, but we can.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I suppose we don't have to. But

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01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:58,839
Speaker 1: what happens here in the story is this construct of Sonny,

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01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:04,639
Speaker 1: This AI manifestation of this little boy explains that billions

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01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 1: of years ago, the ancestors of humans lived in a

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Speaker 1: hyper advanced utopian society.

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Speaker 2: That like AI made for them.

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Speaker 1: It was either AI made for them or they made

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Speaker 1: the AI, but we made.

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Speaker 2: It for them, we don't know, or that like maintained

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01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 2: the world, yeah, it says.

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Speaker 1: The movie says that this utopian society was controlled by

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Speaker 1: a central self learning computer system aka AI. For a while,

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Speaker 1: this went great. Human ancestors expanded and built other planets

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Speaker 1: which they lived on. They were like doing space colonialism

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01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 1: and they yeah, but then one day everything changed when

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Speaker 1: the AI became self aware and it turned into this

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01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:03,479
Speaker 1: warm of evil spiky nanotechnology that we have been seeing

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01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 1: throughout the movie, and that started a war against all

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Speaker 1: biological life. Because of that, the ancestors built structures like

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Speaker 1: the Moon, which was operated by benevolent AI to try

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Speaker 1: to keep them safe from the evil AI, and they

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Speaker 1: would send these megastructures to various solar systems looking for

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Speaker 1: a new place to inhabit, and one of them being

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Speaker 1: our moon. So the Moon gets shot off to our

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01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 1: solar system. But meanwhile, the evil AI killed all of

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Speaker 1: the ancestors. So now it was up to the Moon

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01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 1: to create Earth from space dust, and it gives birth

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Speaker 1: to the Earth, and it puts the DNA for humans

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Speaker 1: onto Earth so that humans would eventually evolve.

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Speaker 2: I guess I got to my eyes glazed over when

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01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 2: I heard it in the movie, and I my eyes

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01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:07,680
Speaker 2: glazed over. Just now, I have no idea what the

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01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:10,680
Speaker 2: hell happened in that plot. Void they were like like

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01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 2: to me, my takeaway was like, Okay, so there's a

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01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 2: war between demons and gargoyles basically pretty much, and both

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01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 2: sides sound bad, but for some reason, we're on the

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Speaker 2: side of gargoyles. Yeah. Using my big I Frankenstein brain,

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Speaker 2: I think I was able to basically get there, but

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Speaker 2: the AI messaging was completely incoherent, nonsensical, could mean I mean,

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Speaker 2: like I think a lot of movies that are trying

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Speaker 2: to make a ton of money globally, the messages that

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01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 2: are supposed to be specific are extremely vague, so that

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01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 2: they could mean anything to anyone in the hopes that

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01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 2: everyone will like this movie. And what sometimes happens is

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01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:56,880
Speaker 2: no one likes it.

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01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:58,799
Speaker 1: Not us, though we love us.

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01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 2: We're geniuses. Yeah, we understood that in the War of

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01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:07,040
Speaker 2: Demons versus Gargoyles, we were of course siding with gargoyles.

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Speaker 1: Gargoles. No, but I know what you mean. There were

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01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:11,800
Speaker 1: several so I watched this movie twice to prep for

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01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 1: the episode, as I always do. There were specific moments,

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01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:19,719
Speaker 1: you know, when you're like trying to watch a movie

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01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 1: or like read a book as you're falling asleep, and

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01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 1: then you fall asleep at the same exact moment, but

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01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 1: then you kind of wake up and you rewind because

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01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 1: you missed it, and then you watch it again and

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01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:32,320
Speaker 1: then you fall asleep at the same exact moment again.

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01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 1: This kept happening. While I was watching this movie. I

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01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 1: would just black out sometimes during specific moments.

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Speaker 2: I'm really proud of you that, for our sorry listeners,

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01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:46,640
Speaker 2: our April Fools episode, which is supposed to be a

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01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 2: lightlift for us at the show, that you have taken

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01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:54,840
Speaker 2: it upon yourself to fully understand what happens in this movie,

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01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 2: because I was like, there's no First of all, with

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01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 2: all due respect to our listeners, there was no chance

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01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:03,800
Speaker 2: in hell. I was watching this a second time, and yeah,

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01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 2: I did rewatch certain scenes to be like, oh my god, wait.

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01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 2: I totally stopped paying attention in the middle of that

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01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 2: because it was so confusing and like bizarre. So I

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01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 2: would like, go, you know, try to keep pace with it.

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01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 2: But it was like certain sequences like this, I'm like,

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01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 2: it's not gonna happen. Yeah, Like, ah, I have no

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01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:24,160
Speaker 2: fucking clue.

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01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 1: It's utter nonsense. I had to like really force myself.

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01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:32,640
Speaker 1: I had to like pry my eyes open Clockwork Orange

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01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:36,560
Speaker 1: style at certain points because I was like, wait, what happens.

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01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 2: That's sort of like what it feels like with this

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01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 2: movie and the concept of going to Colorado. You're being

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01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 2: Clockwork Orange into going to Colorado, the only safe place

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01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 2: that exist on Earth.

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01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:51,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Okay, So the movie is pretty close to

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01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:53,439
Speaker 1: being done. Wait, no, I have like so many more

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Speaker 1: paragraphs of this recap changing.

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Speaker 8: No, Actually a lot of stuff happens at the end,

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01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:01,839
Speaker 8: but it's like staged in such an abrupt and boring

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01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:04,879
Speaker 8: I'm kind of dropping the premise of our April Foll's episode,

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01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 8: but it's like it's staged in such.

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01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:10,840
Speaker 2: An abrupt and boring way that you kind of forget

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01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 2: how much happens in comparison to how interesting it is

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01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 2: to watch and take in.

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01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:17,120
Speaker 1: So true, yeah, so.

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01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 2: Sunny.

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01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:27,160
Speaker 1: The benevolent AI construct explains that they need a human

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01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:31,959
Speaker 1: to lure the evil AI swarm away from the Moon's

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01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 1: power core or something which is destroying and that's why

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01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 1: the Moon is veering off course. They need to destroy

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01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 1: the AI swarm so that the Moon can return to

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01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:50,479
Speaker 1: its original orbit, and it's up to Brian and friends

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01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:54,400
Speaker 1: to do this because for some reason, the super technologically

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01:29:54,520 --> 01:30:00,920
Speaker 1: advanced Moon doesn't have the technology to save itself. Sure,

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01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:06,120
Speaker 1: and so Brian, who by the way, has Moon Jedi

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01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:09,880
Speaker 1: powers now and just can open doors with the wave

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01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:16,599
Speaker 1: of his hand. Doug Caln sorry sorry, he, Joe and

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01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:22,639
Speaker 1: Casey get into their once broken spaceship that the moon fixed. Okay,

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01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:27,120
Speaker 1: to destroy the AI swarm. We cut back to Earth

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01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:32,600
Speaker 1: where Sunny and company are walking to whatever part of

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01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:37,719
Speaker 1: Colorado has the military bunker where Doug is. Oh, Doug,

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01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:40,679
Speaker 1: by the way, uh huh that's her ex husband. Who

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01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:41,679
Speaker 1: oh yeah.

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01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 2: Some point they just say the name Doug. And then

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01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:47,080
Speaker 2: the guy who is always like, I love talking to

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01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 2: my son on the phone. He's in first grade, like

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Speaker 2: Doug a weird guy, a weird, weird guy, but like

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01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:58,440
Speaker 2: but slayh you know, good for Doug, but good for him?

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01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:00,800
Speaker 2: Why not? So I look at Dog, I say why not?

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01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:03,759
Speaker 2: Why not him?

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01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:08,320
Speaker 1: Okay? Now the Earth is almost out of air, all

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01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 1: the air leaked out while the Moon was falling into it.

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01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 1: Oh God, and Michael Penia suffocates and he fucking croaks.

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01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 2: He I really, and with all due respect to those

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01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:27,320
Speaker 2: who have lost a loved one in this manner, yes, because.

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Speaker 1: Of this manner being the Moon falling into the Earth,

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01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:31,840
Speaker 1: the Earth's atmosphere.

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01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:36,920
Speaker 2: It really is implied that Michael Penia is among a

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01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:43,800
Speaker 2: maximum of ten casualties in this mass disaster. And it

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01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:47,320
Speaker 2: really I've never seen a death that you're like, oh,

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01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 2: that's what the word keel over me and.

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01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:57,760
Speaker 7: He he just kind of falls to the side, and yeah,

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01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:01,800
Speaker 7: rough rough break from Michael Pina in this one, because

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01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 7: you're just like, what is going on?

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01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 2: Like what am I looking at? And the answer is,

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01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:08,840
Speaker 2: don't worry about it.

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01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:10,000
Speaker 1: Don't even worry about it.

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01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:14,719
Speaker 2: I don't worry about it. I just did this. Let

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01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:21,360
Speaker 2: people enjoy things, just kidding. Please don't let people enjoy things.

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01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:22,960
Speaker 2: This sucks.

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01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't don't like what I mean here, Okay, here's

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01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:29,439
Speaker 1: what I'll say about Moonfall. Please say it.

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01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:34,040
Speaker 2: Someone has to. As much as this movie blows ass

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01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:35,400
Speaker 2: in a feminist way.

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01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:39,360
Speaker 9: In a feminist way, women.

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01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:45,320
Speaker 2: Can blow ass to or something I do kind of love.

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01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:50,360
Speaker 1: It's what it's. Moonfall to Me is as I Frankenstein

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01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 1: is to you.

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01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 2: Fair enough, fair enough, I I Frankenstein to me is

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01:32:58,160 --> 01:33:04,120
Speaker 2: the perfect bad movie because at least it focuses on

1505
01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:08,880
Speaker 2: one confusing guy and not twenty confusing guys. Sure, and

1506
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:13,320
Speaker 2: say what you will about Adam Frankenstein and I let's

1507
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:17,680
Speaker 2: forget that is his name. We know who this guy is.

1508
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:21,800
Speaker 2: He just is the fucking weirdest guy to ever live.

1509
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:26,880
Speaker 2: For a thing, how it is incredible, just thinking, Wow,

1510
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:31,240
Speaker 2: there are so many ways that you could portray two

1511
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 2: hundred years passing, but the way I Frankenstein does it

1512
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:38,120
Speaker 2: is the best, which is just Aaron Eckhart swinging nunchucks

1513
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:41,919
Speaker 2: at the top of a mountain, and then it fades.

1514
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:44,799
Speaker 2: His outfit changes and all of a sudden, it's twenty fourteen.

1515
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:47,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, he gets a haircut, and it's two hundred years later.

1516
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:51,839
Speaker 1: Oh you know, some would say that I Frankenstein walked

1517
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:56,240
Speaker 1: so that Ghirrimo del Toro's Frankenstein could run.

1518
01:33:56,840 --> 01:34:02,240
Speaker 2: Let's talk about that. That's so true. Yeah, that's so true. Okay,

1519
01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:06,720
Speaker 2: So so yeah, Michael Panya keels over and dies. This

1520
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:14,479
Speaker 2: I will say, Patrick Wilson shortly will have really no, no, actually,

1521
01:34:15,320 --> 01:34:17,280
Speaker 2: there is an iconic scene at the end where they

1522
01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:19,599
Speaker 2: all meet at the tip of the Chrysler building. Very

1523
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:21,920
Speaker 2: unclear where this actually is.

1524
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:23,400
Speaker 1: No, this is still in Colorado.

1525
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 2: They're still in Colorado, okay, because they theoretically, I don't

1526
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:30,040
Speaker 2: know how they would have gotten out of Colorado. But

1527
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:32,639
Speaker 2: they they all meet up and then they just sort

1528
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:36,320
Speaker 2: of state what their relationships to each other are at

1529
01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:39,240
Speaker 2: the end of the movie, much like they did going Okay,

1530
01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:42,559
Speaker 2: so this guy died. Oh that's sad. This guy died.

1531
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:45,599
Speaker 2: Oh that's sad. But we're friends, and you're my son,

1532
01:34:46,160 --> 01:34:49,360
Speaker 2: and you're my ex wife, and here's oh and here's

1533
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:54,639
Speaker 2: little Jimmy. And my ex husband is nearby but he's

1534
01:34:54,680 --> 01:35:00,240
Speaker 2: not here, and we're friends and oh yeah and Kate.

1535
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 2: Oh wait, well we need to talk about how Casey dies.

1536
01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:04,640
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry, let me oh, well, we

1537
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 1: need to get to the climax.

1538
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:09,559
Speaker 2: Of the movie. So what would you say is the

1539
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:10,840
Speaker 2: climax of the movie really?

1540
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 1: Well, actually, I think it's pretty I think it's clear.

1541
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:18,760
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, No, I'm sorry, I'm being a bitch, bitche

1542
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:20,880
Speaker 2: Sorry sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, all right.

1543
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:25,719
Speaker 1: So whatever, Michael Penia dies, Sonny goes looking for him.

1544
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:32,000
Speaker 1: Michelle goes looking for Sonny. Moonchunks are plummeting to the earth.

1545
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:36,080
Speaker 2: He said it like Moonchunks is the name of a character,

1546
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:40,719
Speaker 2: is it not? I think we should write a character

1547
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:45,480
Speaker 2: named moonchunks. But okay, no, sorry, we're back. We're okay.

1548
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 1: So New York City ever heard of it?

1549
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:49,960
Speaker 2: All right?

1550
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 1: Is being ripped apart. The military is minutes away from

1551
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:58,879
Speaker 1: launching their nuclear attack on the Moon. So the steaks

1552
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:03,559
Speaker 1: are higher. The farther the moon falls down, the further

1553
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:05,120
Speaker 1: the stakes rise up.

1554
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:07,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, to the people of Colorado, we're really not

1555
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 2: sure we're going out outside of Colorado elsewhere. We don't

1556
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:12,120
Speaker 2: give a shitla freak it out.

1557
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:17,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So back inside of the moon, Brian in front,

1558
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:21,559
Speaker 1: and let's just pause for a minute to really reflect.

1559
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:25,160
Speaker 2: I'm not laughing, Sorry, that was rude to that.

1560
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:29,639
Speaker 1: Statement of being inside of the moon. Brian and friends

1561
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:33,920
Speaker 1: are flying around in their ship. The evil AI swarm

1562
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:37,920
Speaker 1: is chasing it. Brian reveals his plan that he is

1563
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:41,759
Speaker 1: going to act as bait and sacrifice himself to destroy

1564
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:47,080
Speaker 1: the swarm, but Casey is like, no, I will be

1565
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:50,679
Speaker 1: the one to sacrifice myself. And I have a whole

1566
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:54,559
Speaker 1: spiel on why I think that is. We'll get to it.

1567
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:57,640
Speaker 2: But caitlinus are even two hours in this episode. How

1568
01:36:57,720 --> 01:36:58,800
Speaker 2: much are we going to talk about it?

1569
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:03,559
Speaker 1: Okay, fine, all right, I'll okay. So the other two

1570
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:08,880
Speaker 1: astronauts on this mission are Brian and Joe. They each

1571
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:13,000
Speaker 1: have a kid. Casey does not have a kid, and

1572
01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:16,120
Speaker 1: I feel like the movie basically suggests that it has

1573
01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:19,880
Speaker 1: to be him who sacrifices himself and dies because he

1574
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 1: doesn't have any children. Therefore he is quote unquote expendable.

1575
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:28,240
Speaker 1: The only family he has is a mom with Alzheimer's.

1576
01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:32,160
Speaker 2: Well that's also like, right, so he's a caretaker. I mean,

1577
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:36,559
Speaker 2: it's so hard to like because I think I totally agree.

1578
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:39,840
Speaker 2: I think that's one of the reasons. But there's also

1579
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:42,919
Speaker 2: this movie is so playing on so many broad tropes

1580
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:45,800
Speaker 2: that it's like so many reasons. I feel like it

1581
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:48,080
Speaker 2: has to do with like, the least famous person in

1582
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:51,880
Speaker 2: the scene has to die, the least Western beauty standards

1583
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:55,719
Speaker 2: attractive person in the scene has to die, the comic

1584
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:58,639
Speaker 2: relief as opposed to the dramatic hero has to die.

1585
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:02,960
Speaker 2: There's like a Jillian tropes at play here, all at once,

1586
01:38:03,120 --> 01:38:07,680
Speaker 2: and all of them, unfortunately indicate that John Bradley must die, but.

1587
01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:09,080
Speaker 1: But John Tucker must die.

1588
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:12,680
Speaker 2: But but John Bradley does not die. His consciousness is

1589
01:38:12,760 --> 01:38:14,479
Speaker 2: melded with the moon and then he's a part of

1590
01:38:14,479 --> 01:38:21,400
Speaker 2: the moon. So no, okay, is it is bad. It's

1591
01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:25,800
Speaker 2: like playing on every trope and I mean it just

1592
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:29,240
Speaker 2: and and it's playing on a number of fat phobic tropes.

1593
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:35,200
Speaker 2: It's playing on so many tropes are present here, except

1594
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:40,479
Speaker 2: really with our two protagonists, who are so bland that.

1595
01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:42,519
Speaker 1: You're like that there's sort of nothing going on.

1596
01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:46,320
Speaker 2: There's they're just dead behind the eyes and they don't

1597
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:49,479
Speaker 2: even bother to imply that maybe these and again I'm

1598
01:38:49,479 --> 01:38:53,240
Speaker 2: not saying I honestly, this is actually the rare, the

1599
01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:57,679
Speaker 2: rare story where I think that having some romantic chemistry

1600
01:38:57,720 --> 01:39:00,559
Speaker 2: between these two actors would have helped me them be

1601
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:02,880
Speaker 2: more interesting to watch. Where I know that, like it's

1602
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:05,120
Speaker 2: the Bechdel Cast and we're not like not every like

1603
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:08,280
Speaker 2: man woman pairing needs to be romantically interested. But it's like,

1604
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:13,280
Speaker 2: what is there between these two people. I'm not feeling

1605
01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:17,720
Speaker 2: the friendship, I'm not feeling the resentment of the betrayal.

1606
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:21,000
Speaker 2: We might as well just make the hot people kiss,

1607
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:23,719
Speaker 2: but they don't even touch at the end of the movie.

1608
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:27,839
Speaker 2: There's not even a friendly handshake, Like there is nothing

1609
01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:30,879
Speaker 2: between these two people. Well, it feels like Arrested Development

1610
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:33,320
Speaker 2: season four. It's like they're not even like in the

1611
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:34,479
Speaker 2: same room together.

1612
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:38,640
Speaker 1: Wow, so true. Well you're forgetting that they have a

1613
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:42,400
Speaker 1: running inside joke about the lyrics.

1614
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:43,800
Speaker 2: About two Totos Africa.

1615
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:46,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is referenced.

1616
01:39:45,880 --> 01:39:53,160
Speaker 2: Twice fifteen years apart, and they're like, haha, yes, remember that.

1617
01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:57,960
Speaker 2: Remember that he's also referencing the wedding of a failed marriage,

1618
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 2: which I wouldn't necessarily bring up in in front of

1619
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:04,960
Speaker 2: my dear friend, but whatever. Yeah.

1620
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, if these two characters had been kind of like

1621
01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:11,519
Speaker 1: forced together in a romantic kiss at the end or something,

1622
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:14,479
Speaker 1: I would have been like boo. But also, but it's

1623
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:17,479
Speaker 1: like there's nothing between them, so I'm also like between

1624
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:18,680
Speaker 1: two characters.

1625
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just was like, you know, romantic interest. It

1626
01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:25,679
Speaker 2: would have been half asked, it would have been trite,

1627
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:29,719
Speaker 2: it would have been vaguely sexist. Yeah, but it also

1628
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:31,120
Speaker 2: would have been something.

1629
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:39,920
Speaker 1: What happens is nothing, absolutely nothing, including when Casey is like, no,

1630
01:40:40,120 --> 01:40:43,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be the one to sacrifice myself and Brian

1631
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:49,200
Speaker 1: and Joe are like, no, stop, Okay, you can go

1632
01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:50,000
Speaker 1: ahead and do it.

1633
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:52,840
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, to be fair, they've known this guy,

1634
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:56,360
Speaker 2: they've been allegedly best friends for a decade, and they

1635
01:40:56,600 --> 01:40:59,599
Speaker 2: just met this guy. And also, not for nothing, halle

1636
01:40:59,680 --> 01:41:04,800
Speaker 2: Berry's character allegedly has an active restraining order against John

1637
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:08,799
Speaker 2: Bradley's character Oh yeah, which is referenced once in Passing,

1638
01:41:09,439 --> 01:41:16,280
Speaker 2: but is said basically as a joke. So yeah, I

1639
01:41:16,280 --> 01:41:21,160
Speaker 2: don't know. They all should have blown up. Honestly, the moon.

1640
01:41:21,320 --> 01:41:26,360
Speaker 1: Should have just fallen all the way. Yeah. Okay, So

1641
01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:32,160
Speaker 1: back on Earth, Sonny has been trapped under a fallen

1642
01:41:32,200 --> 01:41:34,639
Speaker 1: tree because the Moon isn't the only thing that's falling.

1643
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:39,519
Speaker 1: Trees are also falling, and he's lightly dying. And then

1644
01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:42,880
Speaker 1: Michelle finds him. But then we cut back to space

1645
01:41:43,640 --> 01:41:47,799
Speaker 1: and this is the climax. Casey does the sacrificial act

1646
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:51,280
Speaker 1: of being the human bait and he hits the button

1647
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:58,320
Speaker 1: for the bomb, the electromagnetic pulse thing do and it

1648
01:41:58,400 --> 01:42:05,160
Speaker 1: destroys the evil swarm. Back to Earth, Michelle saves Sonny,

1649
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:10,599
Speaker 1: but it's mostly gravity doing the heavy lifting. And talk

1650
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:12,439
Speaker 1: about irony.

1651
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:15,720
Speaker 2: Ha ha ha ha. So yeah, Michael Penya and John

1652
01:42:15,720 --> 01:42:18,200
Speaker 2: Bradley are the only ones who die, and honestly, John

1653
01:42:18,240 --> 01:42:21,040
Speaker 2: Bradley doesn't die. O. Michael Paya is the only character

1654
01:42:21,080 --> 01:42:26,880
Speaker 2: who dies, yes, permanently. Rip. Michael Paya does not become

1655
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:27,679
Speaker 2: one with the Moon.

1656
01:42:28,479 --> 01:42:32,519
Speaker 1: No, no, he doesn't. No, sad but true. Okay, we

1657
01:42:32,600 --> 01:42:36,280
Speaker 1: cut back to space. Brian has passed out, so Joe

1658
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:40,960
Speaker 1: flies her and Brian back to Earth. So I mean,

1659
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:45,200
Speaker 1: look at all these women saving men. Michelle save Sonny,

1660
01:42:45,640 --> 01:42:54,960
Speaker 1: Joe saves Brian, and that's feminism. Then Brian and Joe,

1661
01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:59,800
Speaker 1: who have conveniently landed in Colorado, of course, reunite with

1662
01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:03,240
Speaker 1: their families. There's a scene when you're just describing where

1663
01:43:03,240 --> 01:43:05,720
Speaker 1: they just kind of list all the people that they

1664
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:07,479
Speaker 1: know who have also died.

1665
01:43:07,960 --> 01:43:10,960
Speaker 2: They're like, all right, so movie's over. Movie is over.

1666
01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:14,479
Speaker 1: The moon is returning to its regular orbit, and then

1667
01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:19,840
Speaker 1: we cut back inside the moon where an AI construct

1668
01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:23,720
Speaker 1: of k C appears and avoid as well as his

1669
01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:33,559
Speaker 1: mom and his cat, whose name is fuzz Aldrin. Okay, see,

1670
01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:37,240
Speaker 1: I here's what I wrote down. Of all the attempts

1671
01:43:37,320 --> 01:43:40,240
Speaker 1: at comedy in this movie, which there are a lot,

1672
01:43:41,240 --> 01:43:44,960
Speaker 1: I think that fuzz Aldrin is maybe the cleverest one.

1673
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:48,760
Speaker 1: And that's saying something because it's like pretty good.

1674
01:43:49,040 --> 01:43:52,559
Speaker 2: If true, is what I'll say. But it's because but

1675
01:43:52,640 --> 01:43:55,320
Speaker 2: it's because a Lizzie Maguire as joke.

1676
01:43:56,400 --> 01:44:00,879
Speaker 1: But but but listen to this. It's because the jokes

1677
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:02,479
Speaker 1: keep falling.

1678
01:44:02,840 --> 01:44:09,000
Speaker 9: Flat moonflat moonfall more like joke fall joke flat gravity

1679
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:13,479
Speaker 9: is fucking with the jokes and how they land.

1680
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:20,280
Speaker 2: Ay. But yeah, there, So it's something something His mom

1681
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:24,320
Speaker 2: and his cat appear in the Ai Hollow Moon and

1682
01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:25,800
Speaker 2: set up a sequel.

1683
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:30,559
Speaker 1: That will never be produced. Because this movie was produced

1684
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:33,240
Speaker 1: on a budget of one hundred and fifty million dollars.

1685
01:44:33,080 --> 01:44:38,360
Speaker 2: And independently redependently, which is actually pretty impressive. It isn't

1686
01:44:38,360 --> 01:44:41,160
Speaker 2: really speaks to because if you're not familiar, you don't

1687
01:44:41,479 --> 01:44:45,639
Speaker 2: remember who Roland Emmerick is. He is a German director

1688
01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:49,880
Speaker 2: who is most famous for disaster movies like Independence Day,

1689
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:53,160
Speaker 2: The Day After Tomorrow, twenty twelve, et cetera. And so

1690
01:44:53,720 --> 01:44:57,599
Speaker 2: there is a lot of goodwill for him. Yeah, and

1691
01:44:57,640 --> 01:45:02,439
Speaker 2: he is like a proven talent at you know, at

1692
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:05,960
Speaker 2: making iconic movies that make a lot of money that

1693
01:45:06,120 --> 01:45:12,920
Speaker 2: generally glorify the war industrial complex. But so like he

1694
01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:16,360
Speaker 2: raised this money independently after it sounds like years in

1695
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:20,160
Speaker 2: development hell on this and in a rarer situation of

1696
01:45:20,200 --> 01:45:22,840
Speaker 2: the Hollywood machine being totally correct, he should not have

1697
01:45:23,240 --> 01:45:23,960
Speaker 2: made this movie.

1698
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:24,840
Speaker 1: He should not have made this.

1699
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:28,080
Speaker 2: He hasn't made a movie since. Yeah, it seems like

1700
01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:29,280
Speaker 2: it's really.

1701
01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:32,320
Speaker 1: Kind of and and it was a huge flop at

1702
01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:36,880
Speaker 1: the box office. It only earned sixty seven million dollars.

1703
01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:40,800
Speaker 2: It didn't even come out in Canada. Canada said they

1704
01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:42,040
Speaker 2: didn't even bother.

1705
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:45,080
Speaker 1: They said, we our theaters are closed due to COVID

1706
01:45:45,880 --> 01:45:47,280
Speaker 1: pass yikes.

1707
01:45:48,360 --> 01:45:51,679
Speaker 2: Although I mean, what I will say about Rolodemeric outside

1708
01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:54,680
Speaker 2: of Moonfall not being good, it's he he is a

1709
01:45:54,720 --> 01:45:59,679
Speaker 2: queer icon. He does have a you know, a pretty

1710
01:46:00,320 --> 01:46:06,280
Speaker 2: you know, solid record in terms of his politics, especially

1711
01:46:06,280 --> 01:46:11,080
Speaker 2: for someone that's powerful. I mean, he has repeatedly advocated

1712
01:46:11,240 --> 01:46:14,439
Speaker 2: for In two of his disaster movies, Independence Day and

1713
01:46:14,479 --> 01:46:16,600
Speaker 2: The Day After Tomorrow, there are interracial couples that the

1714
01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:20,439
Speaker 2: studios did not want him to have, and in Moonfall

1715
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:25,000
Speaker 2: for some reason, he's like, I don't die either, but well,

1716
01:46:25,080 --> 01:46:31,559
Speaker 2: I guess Michael Panya and Brenda. But either way, either way,

1717
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:34,320
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like Roland Ewick seems like a totally

1718
01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:35,439
Speaker 2: lovely person.

1719
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:36,200
Speaker 1: Hmmm.

1720
01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:38,360
Speaker 2: And also he made Moonfall.

1721
01:46:38,200 --> 01:46:42,800
Speaker 1: And he made Moonfall, which I mean, there's not a

1722
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:48,280
Speaker 1: whole lot else that we need to spend time talking about.

1723
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:51,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that, like, at the end of the day,

1724
01:46:51,880 --> 01:46:53,200
Speaker 2: there are women in this movie.

1725
01:46:53,479 --> 01:46:55,959
Speaker 1: There are one of them is a woman in Stem.

1726
01:46:56,360 --> 01:46:58,360
Speaker 2: One of them is a woman in Stem. The rest

1727
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:03,840
Speaker 2: of them are why and girlfriends or acting in a

1728
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:06,120
Speaker 2: maternal acting as mother.

1729
01:47:06,240 --> 01:47:10,599
Speaker 1: Their mothers or mother figures or caretakers of some kind,

1730
01:47:10,680 --> 01:47:13,679
Speaker 1: including the Moon, who, let's not forget, is the mother

1731
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:14,439
Speaker 1: of the Earth.

1732
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:18,840
Speaker 2: Yes, And in the case of Joe Fowler and the Moon,

1733
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:21,000
Speaker 2: they are liars.

1734
01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:27,719
Speaker 1: So they're deceitful. They I'll push back on Joe being

1735
01:47:28,040 --> 01:47:29,880
Speaker 1: a liar because.

1736
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:33,040
Speaker 2: She I guess she was gaslt She was.

1737
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:37,160
Speaker 1: Gas lit by NASA, which you know, unsurprising that a

1738
01:47:37,240 --> 01:47:42,160
Speaker 1: federal agency of the United States government would be doing

1739
01:47:42,200 --> 01:47:47,240
Speaker 1: some fuck shit. And honestly, she doesn't just automatically come

1740
01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:51,559
Speaker 1: to a man's defense, and that's actually feminism, So.

1741
01:47:52,160 --> 01:47:55,360
Speaker 2: I guess, I don't know. I mean, she and her

1742
01:47:55,439 --> 01:47:59,360
Speaker 2: husband are interesting in that. And again it's our April

1743
01:47:59,400 --> 01:48:01,879
Speaker 2: Fol's episode, so this isn't going to be the degree

1744
01:48:01,880 --> 01:48:04,280
Speaker 2: of analysis he would normally get. But this episode is

1745
01:48:04,320 --> 01:48:08,200
Speaker 2: two hours long, so you're welcome. The plot is simply

1746
01:48:08,240 --> 01:48:12,439
Speaker 2: that convoluted. Like I think that she NASA has always

1747
01:48:12,479 --> 01:48:15,320
Speaker 2: been an interesting branch of the American government, where like

1748
01:48:15,640 --> 01:48:19,920
Speaker 2: it is a military industrial complex tool, but I don't

1749
01:48:19,920 --> 01:48:23,479
Speaker 2: think it is publicly perceived as being so it has

1750
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:26,080
Speaker 2: been very effectively marketed and I think to some extent,

1751
01:48:26,640 --> 01:48:29,439
Speaker 2: I still kind of drink the kool aid on NASA

1752
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:34,080
Speaker 2: of like space exploration is cool, like it's people like

1753
01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:36,439
Speaker 2: in my mind, it's people like Elon Musku ruin it

1754
01:48:36,439 --> 01:48:40,559
Speaker 2: where they're turning it into colonization and not just learning

1755
01:48:40,560 --> 01:48:43,080
Speaker 2: more about the universe that we exist in that is

1756
01:48:43,160 --> 01:48:46,640
Speaker 2: very exciting and cool. But here we have and I

1757
01:48:46,640 --> 01:48:49,360
Speaker 2: think that this is more effectively done in other role

1758
01:48:49,439 --> 01:48:54,000
Speaker 2: in emeric movies like Independence Day, where it almost feels

1759
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:56,760
Speaker 2: like he's like reheating his own nachos a little bit

1760
01:48:57,320 --> 01:49:01,120
Speaker 2: of like Okay, so there is like this big industrial

1761
01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:08,000
Speaker 2: judicial or whatever executive branch the war Cabinet, and that

1762
01:49:08,160 --> 01:49:14,320
Speaker 2: is represented by Doug question marked. And then they are

1763
01:49:14,320 --> 01:49:17,719
Speaker 2: the scientists, and they are government scientists, and they are

1764
01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:21,640
Speaker 2: patriots and they love America so much, but they're not

1765
01:49:22,680 --> 01:49:26,439
Speaker 2: that and it is an interesting sort of tool to

1766
01:49:27,200 --> 01:49:35,559
Speaker 2: encourage kind of unquestioning patriotism while seeming counter cultural. I

1767
01:49:35,560 --> 01:49:39,120
Speaker 2: think it's like how astronauts are very frequently portrayed in film,

1768
01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:42,479
Speaker 2: and we've talked about this in other episodes, but I

1769
01:49:42,479 --> 01:49:45,400
Speaker 2: do think it's like an interesting kind of tool that

1770
01:49:45,560 --> 01:49:48,599
Speaker 2: is used that is I guess not really worth talking

1771
01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:51,519
Speaker 2: about here because it's not effective and it doesn't make

1772
01:49:51,560 --> 01:49:54,680
Speaker 2: any sense. But I was thinking about it because there

1773
01:49:54,720 --> 01:49:57,960
Speaker 2: are a few lines that either Patrick Wilson or halle

1774
01:49:58,000 --> 01:50:02,640
Speaker 2: Berry say that are like, we're not this, we're scientists,

1775
01:50:03,200 --> 01:50:05,680
Speaker 2: and yeah, well, I do think that a lot of

1776
01:50:05,680 --> 01:50:09,800
Speaker 2: halle Berry's actions do sort of lightly push back or

1777
01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:13,200
Speaker 2: like push back on an idea of the government versus

1778
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:15,559
Speaker 2: what I don't know. Do you know what I mean?

1779
01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:17,479
Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying is like, for sure,

1780
01:50:17,880 --> 01:50:21,280
Speaker 2: do I believe that the American government, particularly at present,

1781
01:50:21,320 --> 01:50:23,720
Speaker 2: would say We're just gonna nuke the moon? Yes?

1782
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:24,160
Speaker 1: I do.

1783
01:50:24,240 --> 01:50:27,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I feel like it's like whatever, presented in

1784
01:50:28,040 --> 01:50:31,000
Speaker 2: a cartoonish way so that we are not to question

1785
01:50:31,960 --> 01:50:34,839
Speaker 2: an institution like NASA.

1786
01:50:35,320 --> 01:50:39,800
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, this movie also does something that a

1787
01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:46,240
Speaker 1: lot of other movies that are about a global disaster do.

1788
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:50,800
Speaker 1: And we've talked about this on episodes about movies where

1789
01:50:50,840 --> 01:50:54,200
Speaker 1: there is a global disaster, but the movie, because it's

1790
01:50:54,280 --> 01:50:57,960
Speaker 1: an American Hollywood movie, it will completely center the US

1791
01:50:58,160 --> 01:51:01,479
Speaker 1: and act as though the US is the only country

1792
01:51:01,880 --> 01:51:05,960
Speaker 1: with people and technology who can figure out what's going on,

1793
01:51:06,360 --> 01:51:10,440
Speaker 1: who can handle the disaster that's affecting the whole world.

1794
01:51:10,160 --> 01:51:13,960
Speaker 2: Specifically people in the US who live in Colorado, Like

1795
01:51:14,479 --> 01:51:17,320
Speaker 2: it is wild how for a movie shot in Montreal,

1796
01:51:17,560 --> 01:51:19,840
Speaker 2: which is also very funny given to this movie, I

1797
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:24,240
Speaker 2: will repeat, did not ever come out theatrically in Canada,

1798
01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:28,360
Speaker 2: which had to do with COVID restrictions. But I just

1799
01:51:28,400 --> 01:51:30,920
Speaker 2: think it's funny that Canada, like you could not have

1800
01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:33,920
Speaker 2: seen this movie in Canada if you wanted to. And

1801
01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:36,360
Speaker 2: also that this movie came in second place at the

1802
01:51:36,360 --> 01:51:43,040
Speaker 2: box office behind Jackass the Jackass reboot, and Jackass made

1803
01:51:43,080 --> 01:51:46,799
Speaker 2: three times more money than Moonfall did in this first weekend. Wow,

1804
01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:50,000
Speaker 2: it is interesting. I wonder if I don't think there's

1805
01:51:50,040 --> 01:51:54,599
Speaker 2: really an appetite for it right now. Disaster movies don't

1806
01:51:54,640 --> 01:51:58,040
Speaker 2: tend to perform very well during disastrous times. There is

1807
01:51:58,120 --> 01:52:01,240
Speaker 2: not an element of escape. I am not wanting to

1808
01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:05,000
Speaker 2: see a disaster movie right now because I could also

1809
01:52:05,280 --> 01:52:09,240
Speaker 2: just look outside, I could check the news.

1810
01:52:09,280 --> 01:52:10,120
Speaker 1: So very true.

1811
01:52:10,280 --> 01:52:14,680
Speaker 2: You know, disaster movies tend to be more commercially successful

1812
01:52:14,840 --> 01:52:20,240
Speaker 2: during times historically where they feel more fictional, and that's

1813
01:52:20,240 --> 01:52:22,120
Speaker 2: not where we're at historically, and so I was not

1814
01:52:22,360 --> 01:52:28,360
Speaker 2: surprised to see that Moonfall did not perform better, which

1815
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:30,680
Speaker 2: is a shame because it is a feminist gem.

1816
01:52:31,320 --> 01:52:37,320
Speaker 1: A masterpiece. We've said it before, We'll say it again. Yeah.

1817
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Is there is there anything that's like burning in

1818
01:52:39,720 --> 01:52:41,800
Speaker 2: your heart that you need to talk to talk about

1819
01:52:41,840 --> 01:52:44,200
Speaker 2: with regards to Moonfall? Because I do have notes, but

1820
01:52:44,479 --> 01:52:46,439
Speaker 2: I'm also like, I think a lot of them came

1821
01:52:46,479 --> 01:52:48,560
Speaker 2: out in the recap.

1822
01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:52,840
Speaker 1: Same. I'll just rattle off a few very quick things,

1823
01:52:53,120 --> 01:52:58,320
Speaker 1: please fuzz Aldron. There are too many subplots because everyone

1824
01:52:58,360 --> 01:52:59,040
Speaker 1: has a sun.

1825
01:52:59,479 --> 01:53:01,719
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, yes, I did really like that. When

1826
01:53:01,800 --> 01:53:04,880
Speaker 2: Patrick Wilson can no longer be around his son named Sonny,

1827
01:53:05,200 --> 01:53:08,960
Speaker 2: they're just like, so, how does Sonny feel about Michael

1828
01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:13,120
Speaker 2: Penia And You're like, who cares? No one cares about

1829
01:53:13,160 --> 01:53:16,479
Speaker 2: the cares. They just are like, we don't know. It's

1830
01:53:16,520 --> 01:53:18,559
Speaker 2: truly like they cannot think of a quality for the

1831
01:53:18,760 --> 01:53:21,880
Speaker 2: son named Sunny outside of having a father, so they

1832
01:53:21,960 --> 01:53:24,880
Speaker 2: just give him a different one. And there's like one

1833
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:28,360
Speaker 2: scene between them before Michael Penall like suffocates.

1834
01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:33,280
Speaker 1: He's like, there's not much time left here on earth

1835
01:53:33,280 --> 01:53:35,920
Speaker 1: because the moon is falling into us. Let's not hate

1836
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:38,800
Speaker 1: each other in these last hours and then Sonny is like,

1837
01:53:39,080 --> 01:53:42,960
Speaker 1: I don't hate you, and then Michael Penney's characters like

1838
01:53:43,479 --> 01:53:45,480
Speaker 1: I'll take it. End of subplot.

1839
01:53:45,720 --> 01:53:50,400
Speaker 2: Okay, the lining was thinking of earlier. And again, I

1840
01:53:50,720 --> 01:53:52,800
Speaker 2: don't mean to come off anti NASA. I'm obviously not

1841
01:53:52,880 --> 01:53:56,160
Speaker 2: anti NASA. I just mean science as a branch of

1842
01:53:56,160 --> 01:53:59,720
Speaker 2: government and all the complications they're in. But there's a

1843
01:53:59,720 --> 01:54:02,040
Speaker 2: line Patrick Wilson says. W he says, I'm an astronaut,

1844
01:54:02,160 --> 01:54:05,559
Speaker 2: not a soldier. Oh yeah, you know. Yeah, that's more

1845
01:54:05,640 --> 01:54:06,320
Speaker 2: what I was thinking of.

1846
01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:14,040
Speaker 1: Anyways, there's a part where Sonny says, extremely deadpan, oh shit,

1847
01:54:14,479 --> 01:54:18,839
Speaker 1: the moon is rising, and then Michelle, also very deadpan,

1848
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:22,520
Speaker 1: says gravity's gonna go crazy.

1849
01:54:23,160 --> 01:54:26,200
Speaker 2: Also, we didn't talk about Sonny's gigantic tattoo.

1850
01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:29,040
Speaker 1: Wait I didn't even notice it.

1851
01:54:29,160 --> 01:54:32,680
Speaker 2: Oh my god. There's a whole joke about it where

1852
01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:35,720
Speaker 2: Sonny shows his gigantic tattoo, which I think is supposed

1853
01:54:35,720 --> 01:54:39,120
Speaker 2: to be like a Chinese character. And yeah, Michelle says, oh,

1854
01:54:39,160 --> 01:54:43,400
Speaker 2: that says the Jonas brothers. And he goes, what because

1855
01:54:43,400 --> 01:54:45,840
Speaker 2: this movie was almost certainly written in two thousand and nine,

1856
01:54:46,600 --> 01:54:49,800
Speaker 2: and she's like, just kidding, And then I don't think

1857
01:54:49,840 --> 01:54:52,640
Speaker 2: we learned what it actually says. She doesn't so we

1858
01:54:52,720 --> 01:54:54,120
Speaker 2: know what it doesn't say, which.

1859
01:54:53,880 --> 01:54:56,000
Speaker 1: Is it does not say Jonas brothers.

1860
01:54:56,120 --> 01:54:57,720
Speaker 2: Another thing that I had a note of here that

1861
01:54:57,760 --> 01:55:02,640
Speaker 2: made me laugh is when the evil people steal Sunny's car,

1862
01:55:03,400 --> 01:55:07,240
Speaker 2: they come in with this like weird opening line. I

1863
01:55:07,240 --> 01:55:09,640
Speaker 2: think this is when they come back. They come up

1864
01:55:09,680 --> 01:55:13,360
Speaker 2: to Sonny and they say the menacing line, so are

1865
01:55:13,400 --> 01:55:14,880
Speaker 2: you a college boy?

1866
01:55:15,720 --> 01:55:19,839
Speaker 1: Like, okay, well no, here's what happens. He just says,

1867
01:55:20,120 --> 01:55:24,160
Speaker 1: everybody calmed down, and then the then the hijackers are like,

1868
01:55:24,840 --> 01:55:29,000
Speaker 1: oh okay, smart ass, are you a college boy? And

1869
01:55:29,040 --> 01:55:32,240
Speaker 1: it's like he didn't say anything that would indicate literally

1870
01:55:32,280 --> 01:55:33,600
Speaker 1: just said can we calm down?

1871
01:55:34,920 --> 01:55:35,960
Speaker 2: It was really funny.

1872
01:55:36,240 --> 01:55:36,400
Speaker 1: Oh.

1873
01:55:36,440 --> 01:55:38,840
Speaker 2: Another good moment was Sonny. A lot of things happened

1874
01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:42,560
Speaker 2: to Sunny. I would say, Sonny does very little. There's

1875
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:46,160
Speaker 2: and just to make sure you know who this character

1876
01:55:46,200 --> 01:55:48,040
Speaker 2: is supposed to be, they do go through the trouble

1877
01:55:48,040 --> 01:55:51,880
Speaker 2: of naming her Karen Ye. There's a woman who is

1878
01:55:51,960 --> 01:55:55,840
Speaker 2: a neighbor to Michael Pana in this richy, rich ass

1879
01:55:55,920 --> 01:56:00,280
Speaker 2: compound neighborhood that has turned into a compound overnight. Due

1880
01:56:00,280 --> 01:56:03,360
Speaker 2: to the moon falling. She has an AK forty seven,

1881
01:56:03,400 --> 01:56:05,200
Speaker 2: which I think could be a reference to a number

1882
01:56:05,240 --> 01:56:08,720
Speaker 2: of things, clearly a riff on the Karen. Yeah, but

1883
01:56:08,800 --> 01:56:12,320
Speaker 2: she has a big, gigantic AK forty seven. It almost

1884
01:56:12,680 --> 01:56:18,960
Speaker 2: shoots Sonny and then Michael Pania comes out and says, hey, Karen, relaxed, stop.

1885
01:56:19,440 --> 01:56:21,280
Speaker 1: Stop shooting my step son.

1886
01:56:21,680 --> 01:56:23,840
Speaker 2: I think it's a joke. I don't know, but I

1887
01:56:23,880 --> 01:56:26,760
Speaker 2: honestly am not sure. It is never referenced again.

1888
01:56:26,840 --> 01:56:30,840
Speaker 1: Well again, the jokes fall flat because joke fall moonfall.

1889
01:56:31,360 --> 01:56:34,400
Speaker 2: Also the fact that it's interesting that you reference that

1890
01:56:34,840 --> 01:56:37,400
Speaker 2: everyone has perfect reception the whole time. That is true,

1891
01:56:37,400 --> 01:56:40,640
Speaker 2: but they also seem to all have Nokia phones. Why

1892
01:56:40,760 --> 01:56:43,400
Speaker 2: was that? Oh yeah, no one has like a no

1893
01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:46,400
Speaker 2: one has a smartphone. Because I think that maybe maybe

1894
01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:49,080
Speaker 2: Roland Emmerick was like, Apple, do you want to give

1895
01:56:49,080 --> 01:56:50,680
Speaker 2: me money? And they said no, and he's like, fine,

1896
01:56:51,280 --> 01:56:52,560
Speaker 2: then everyone has a Nokia.

1897
01:56:52,600 --> 01:56:55,200
Speaker 1: Nokia gave me ten thousand dollars.

1898
01:56:55,640 --> 01:57:00,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. There are technically daughters, but they

1899
01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:03,320
Speaker 2: like you're saying, like like you said earlier, one of

1900
01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:06,320
Speaker 2: them says something precocious and that's it, and one of

1901
01:57:06,360 --> 01:57:09,200
Speaker 2: them walks away from from a dying Michael Pani.

1902
01:57:10,320 --> 01:57:14,800
Speaker 1: She said, fuck you, Dad, that's kind of all that happens. Yeah,

1903
01:57:14,840 --> 01:57:17,920
Speaker 1: those characters are very undercooked. Michelle, I would say, is

1904
01:57:17,960 --> 01:57:21,360
Speaker 1: one of the most undercooked characters committed to film in

1905
01:57:21,440 --> 01:57:22,360
Speaker 1: recent years.

1906
01:57:22,440 --> 01:57:25,560
Speaker 2: It takes us for an hour to even know what

1907
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:26,880
Speaker 2: she who does?

1908
01:57:27,760 --> 01:57:29,480
Speaker 1: Truly what is she?

1909
01:57:29,480 --> 01:57:32,120
Speaker 2: She's an exchange student, so you're like, Okay, she's a student,

1910
01:57:32,240 --> 01:57:32,400
Speaker 2: is she?

1911
01:57:32,720 --> 01:57:36,280
Speaker 1: But she works full time as a nanny and lives there.

1912
01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:38,400
Speaker 1: Does she does she have time to study?

1913
01:57:38,600 --> 01:57:42,760
Speaker 2: I'm curious because Roland Emmerick is a queer icon. I'm

1914
01:57:42,800 --> 01:57:45,880
Speaker 2: wondering if that was supposed to be a queer relationship

1915
01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:50,920
Speaker 2: and then like that was like reversed or something. That

1916
01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:54,720
Speaker 2: introduction scene, I just have like it it felt like

1917
01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:59,280
Speaker 2: they were together, I know, and obviously Roland Emmerick is like,

1918
01:57:59,720 --> 01:58:03,320
Speaker 2: you know, very He's been very involved in queer activism

1919
01:58:03,360 --> 01:58:06,000
Speaker 2: over the years. I'm just wondering if like that was

1920
01:58:06,200 --> 01:58:09,880
Speaker 2: how it was originally written and then this script kept changing,

1921
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:12,040
Speaker 2: or maybe they were like, oh, we want this movie

1922
01:58:12,040 --> 01:58:16,200
Speaker 2: to show everywhere, including wildly homophobic countries, so we're gonna revert.

1923
01:58:16,280 --> 01:58:19,880
Speaker 2: But like, yeah, her character ends up coming off unbelievably vague,

1924
01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:23,960
Speaker 2: and then they give her the worst boyfriend available, I

1925
01:58:24,000 --> 01:58:26,840
Speaker 2: mean Sonny, And also what is there? What are how old?

1926
01:58:26,840 --> 01:58:29,200
Speaker 2: Like Sonny is supposed to be eighteen, he's eighteen. I

1927
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Speaker 2: have some idea how old she's supposed to be, but

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Speaker 2: the actor is in her thirties, right.

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Speaker 1: I didn't quite pick up on as much. I know that,

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Speaker 1: like she saves him and that sometimes is like a

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Speaker 1: movie telegraphing and they're gonna end up together. But I

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Speaker 1: wasn't getting any like romantic vibes between them, so.

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Speaker 2: Really, yeah, so this movie is so confusing. I thought

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Speaker 2: for sure that was what was intended. That's so interesting.

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Speaker 1: Hmmm, well again, everything about this movie is confusing and nonsense.

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Speaker 1: So honestly, you could interpret anything and it would be

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Speaker 1: both exactly right and exactly wrong.

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Speaker 2: I like that we've turned on our own episode. That

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Speaker 2: was our idea, you know what. When you said it

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Speaker 2: at one point and I was like, oh, we should

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Speaker 2: have done that for April Fools and you said the

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Speaker 2: word trap, I'm like, we should have done trap. That's

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Speaker 2: what we should have done. Oh we should do that

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Speaker 2: for Father's Day.

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Speaker 1: Trap, I mean fathers and daughters, fathers and daughters.

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Speaker 2: I love Trap. At that moment, and Trap or Josh

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Speaker 2: Hartnett points at the hole in the floor and it's like,

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Speaker 2: should we go down there? It makes me laugh so much.

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Speaker 2: I love because Trap is about fathers and daughters in

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Speaker 2: a meta way, because it's also about m Night China

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Speaker 2: trying to make his daughter's career happen, his daughter, his daughter. Anyways,

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Speaker 2: do you have anything else to say about Moonfall?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 2: Me either, Oh no.

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Speaker 1: I mean probably, but I'm I'm tired.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you all five hundred thousand people who

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Speaker 2: requested this episode, five hundred million, five hundred million, which

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Speaker 2: again half a billion people portion of our listener. You know,

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Speaker 2: if anyone, if any Hollywood power players are listening, can

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Speaker 2: someone please utilize Patrick Wilson well, like, just please halle

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Speaker 2: Berry and Halle Berry, I just like, these are two

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Speaker 2: great actors who have been given dog shit in the

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Speaker 2: last decade.

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Speaker 1: I feel like halle Berry made Catwoman, and then after

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Speaker 1: that she like could not get.

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Speaker 2: They blamed it on her. She's still an X Men

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Speaker 2: movies after that, but that but yeah, right, and she

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Speaker 2: was in Robots.

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Speaker 1: But then she was also in was it New Year's

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Speaker 1: Eve or Valentine's Day.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, wait, let me she was in New

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Speaker 2: Year's Eve. She played another episode. I have absolutely no

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Speaker 2: recollection of record. She played a character named Nurse.

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Speaker 1: Amy, who I think also had a military husband.

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Speaker 2: Let her live, leave her alone. Oh my god, all right,

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Speaker 2: we gotta get out of here, We gotta get out

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Speaker 2: of here. Happy April Fool's Day to all this to

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Speaker 2: all the fathers, and Sunny is out there, to all

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Speaker 2: the Patrick Wilson's and their Sunnis. This this movie, even

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Speaker 2: if it does, does pass the Bechdel test. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: during it does that same where they're definitely not together,

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Speaker 2: and it's an employer and an employee having an intimate

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Speaker 2: conversation over Sunrise coffee and she.

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Speaker 1: Says, here's your black coffee. It has two sugars in.

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Speaker 2: It, women's wrongs. It passes the Bechdel test. And that's

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Speaker 2: why I'm giving it five nipples.

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Speaker 1: I'm giving it five nipples, and I'm giving it five moons.

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Speaker 1: And what is a nipple but a moon? And what

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Speaker 1: is a moon but a giant sky nipple? What do

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Speaker 1: you ever think about that they have the same shape.

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Speaker 2: That people are always Yeah, are you ever on a

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Speaker 2: romantic day and then someone puts their arm around you

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Speaker 2: and says, look at that. That the old nipple in

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Speaker 2: the sky.

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Speaker 6: Kiss when the moon hits you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 6: I am gonna give it five big sky nipples, and

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Speaker 6: I'm going to give them all to Joe Fowler, feminist

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Speaker 6: icon I aspire.

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Speaker 2: She inspired me to look with an absolute distant, forty

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Speaker 2: yard glaze as I watch people I've known for years

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Speaker 2: get eaten by nanobots in high resolution.

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Speaker 1: It's it's just iconic.

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Speaker 2: It's iconic, and that's feminism. And that's our Moonfall episode.

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Speaker 2: Happy April Fools to our listeners. If you if you

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Speaker 2: enjoyed a silly one, if you enjoyed a looser episode

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Speaker 2: but just Caitlin and I, you might enjoy our Patreon

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Speaker 2: aka Matreon so True, which is linked in the description

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Speaker 2: of this in every episode. It is the best way

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Speaker 2: to support the show. It's five bucks a month and

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Speaker 2: behaving in an unruly fashion choosing, and it also gives

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Speaker 2: you access to nearly two hundred of our back catalog

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Speaker 1: You could say, I could say that, and I will

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Speaker 1: say it, and you just said it. We just said it.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back next time with a really serious with.

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Speaker 2: A real one. We'll be back next week with the

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Speaker 2: normal show. Yeah, love you, Bye bye. The Bechdel Cast

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Speaker 2: is a production of iHeartMedia, hosted and produced by Me,

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Speaker 2: Jamie Loftus and.

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Speaker 1: Me Caitlyn Durrante. The podcast is also produced by Sophie

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Speaker 1: Lichtermann and.

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Speaker 2: Edited by Caitlyn Durrante. Ever heard of Them?

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Speaker 1: That's me and our logo and merch and all of

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Speaker 1: our artwork in fact are designed by Jamie Loftus, Ever

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Speaker 1: heard of her?

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Speaker 2: Oh My God? And our theme song, by the way,

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Speaker 2: was composed by Mike Kaplan with vocals by Katherine Voskrasinski

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Speaker 2: Iconic and a special thanks to the one and only

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Speaker 2: Aristotle Ascevedo.

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