WEBVTT - There is Only Good & Evil

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<v Speaker 1>Only dead enders and lunatics are still defending Gavin Newsom

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<v Speaker 1>and Karen Bass.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one more thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm one more thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a question before we get to that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>what percentage of the people on the Price is Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Or let's make a deal are mentally ill? M qualified

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<v Speaker 2>as mentally ill? Because this woman's with a mentally ill

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<v Speaker 2>I'm watching this woman. She just got picked out of

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<v Speaker 2>the crowd by Drew Carey to be on The Price

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<v Speaker 2>is Right. She is so freaking excited. I mean she's

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<v Speaker 2>just crying with I just feel like you gotta be

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<v Speaker 2>in Milton. I think just a simpleton and.

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<v Speaker 3>She just sound like you hate joy. She's like.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like in her mid fifties. I mean, you've been

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<v Speaker 2>around a little bit, you know, you've seen some ups

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<v Speaker 2>and downs, You've raised some kids.

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<v Speaker 4>She's probably been watching the show for years and it'd

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<v Speaker 4>be great to be on there.

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<v Speaker 3>Now she's just living.

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<v Speaker 2>Her dream and now she's got to ejaculate that joy.

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<v Speaker 1>That is clearly the case, Katy.

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<v Speaker 2>Now she's got a chance to win this Hyundai size

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<v Speaker 2>of a couch car. Okay, good luck with that, hope

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<v Speaker 2>you win.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a gas zipper. You know what's It's all coming

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<v Speaker 1>clear to me now, Katie. He's admitted proudly he thrives

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<v Speaker 1>on shodenfreud joy from other people's pain. Clearly he gets

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<v Speaker 1>pain from other people's joke. Whatever the opposite of Shotenfreud is. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>exactly goes both ways. Freuden shod.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what it is. You know what I think

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<v Speaker 2>shod and you know what it actually is. Probably I

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<v Speaker 2>wish stuff like that made me happy. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that make other people happy, I wish it

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<v Speaker 2>made me happy, but it doesn't. It just doesn't. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of envious, so people that can get that

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<v Speaker 2>excited about things that just don't do it for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we were talking earlier, Katie, off the air. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure if you around and heard it. And it

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<v Speaker 1>has to do with some emails we got on certain

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<v Speaker 1>topics and some it would be a distraction, honestly to

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<v Speaker 1>go into a topic was but there are I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out if people are just being stubborn and

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<v Speaker 1>being dicks, or they're rigid or whatever, or if there

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<v Speaker 1>are people who actually can't emotionally deal with if say

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know an issue or a politician if you

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<v Speaker 1>agree with them eighty five percent and there's just fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>percent that yeah, I can't quite go that far, or

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<v Speaker 1>I got to point out this problem or whatever. They

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<v Speaker 1>are enraged by that, or they can't even process it.

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<v Speaker 1>They like can't even live with the idea of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's mostly good, there's a little bad. And I just

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<v Speaker 1>I find myself wondering if there are people who because

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<v Speaker 1>they it's been said many times, the most terrifying place

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<v Speaker 1>you could ever go is into somebody else's mind for

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<v Speaker 1>five minutes. I just wonder if there are people that

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't look like it does to me when they

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<v Speaker 1>have to deal with ambivalence of any sort, because, judging

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<v Speaker 1>by the emails, unless they're just angry trolls, they literally

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<v Speaker 1>cannot admit nothing is perfectly pure.

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<v Speaker 2>Your own husband, wife, or kids aren't. Yeah, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>who doesn't have something they wouldn't. I don't know the

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<v Speaker 2>right way to say, but you don't particularly like about

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<v Speaker 2>your husband, your wife, or your kids. You don't like

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<v Speaker 2>this personality trait they have. I mean, it'd be impossible

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<v Speaker 2>that you like every personality trait of your people you're

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<v Speaker 2>close to. That's impossible.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if anybody says that, then they're lying.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>You just realize it's part of the package, and on

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<v Speaker 2>the whole you like them, and you know, you deal

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<v Speaker 2>with it, and then you know they deal with yours.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if it's like a symptom of

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<v Speaker 1>dumbness in some cases that they just can't noodle through.

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<v Speaker 1>There are flaws to this, but it's okay. They just

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<v Speaker 1>get angry at the idea that there's any you know,

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<v Speaker 1>any fudging at all of this has to be one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred percent good. This is one hundred percent bad, and

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<v Speaker 1>anything with any more subtlety than that freaks them out.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a very black and white attitude.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is a mental thing. That is a state.

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<v Speaker 2>Like my son who has a variety of things. He

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<v Speaker 2>takes a lot of pills for. He has a very

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<v Speaker 2>black and white with a lot of stuff, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>just no budget him off of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I'm not coming out of I'm not coming

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<v Speaker 1>at this And I wish i'd like gotten my thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>in order, because this would make more sense if I had.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm not trying to come at this like in

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<v Speaker 1>a snarky way or to mock people. I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>understand them, and I've got to admit, it's like they're

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<v Speaker 1>telling me, no, there are three moons in the sky,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's so foreign to the way I think. I'm thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, I got to figure out why they think

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<v Speaker 1>there's three moons in the sky.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and there's It's definitely more so more common on

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<v Speaker 4>the left side of politics too. I mean, just in

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<v Speaker 4>the last week, the amount of people where I have

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<v Speaker 4>seen the anti Trump post on Facebook and one person

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<v Speaker 4>mentions like an executive order that isn't all that terrible,

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<v Speaker 4>and they get pissed. It's not a conversation anymore. It's

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<v Speaker 4>an attack.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Manichaeanism, the reduction of the world into only good

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<v Speaker 1>and evil and everything must be one or the other.

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<v Speaker 3>Huh huh.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like that's something to want to a tendency

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<v Speaker 2>you'd want to avoid.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, and you have to avoid it in a

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<v Speaker 1>political system like ours. Our entire political system is based

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<v Speaker 1>on differing ideas, factions, whatever. They come together in Congress.

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<v Speaker 1>Mostly they come together and say here's who I am,

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<v Speaker 1>and here's what I believe. Oh, here's who we are,

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<v Speaker 1>here's what we believe. But we got around the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's figure out how we can compromise. That is our

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<v Speaker 1>system and our system can't stand you know, that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of dualism.

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<v Speaker 2>I was talking so some people who do that around

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<v Speaker 2>politics and issues and stuff like that, did they do

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<v Speaker 2>that in their personal lives that I was just talking

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<v Speaker 2>about a little bit ago? Can they accept that? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>I like my uh, I like ninety nine percent of

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<v Speaker 2>my wife, but she puts our dog in coats and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like that.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're thrilled, I don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>So I moved all of her shit onto the lawn

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<v Speaker 1>and we're divorced. Now. Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I had a friend like this, or really emphasis on

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<v Speaker 4>had and it was her way or the highway every time, always, always,

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<v Speaker 4>and for some reason I put up with it for

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<v Speaker 4>more than twenty years and finally audios biac.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So, but is it? Is it a personality trait?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it like a kink because of the way you

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<v Speaker 1>were raised, you were abused? Whatever is it? Inborn?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I know how you feel about the whole nature

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<v Speaker 2>and nurture thing, having raised three kids with two kids, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so far down the road of nature for almost

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<v Speaker 2>everything I used to think before I had kids, it

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<v Speaker 2>was you know, the way you were raised or your

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<v Speaker 2>parents or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>But man, every kid's a blank slate. It was just

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<v Speaker 1>an expression of how their parents raised them.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you have kids that have these very strong

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<v Speaker 2>tendencies that you know they didn't get from your household,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, what the hell?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, her parents were great. Both of her siblings aren't

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<v Speaker 3>like this.

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<v Speaker 2>She's just nuts.

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<v Speaker 5>Was who did what was the final straw?

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't mind me asking.

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<v Speaker 2>You question, Michael good interview question.

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<v Speaker 1>Good gossipy question. Yeah, I love it?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh she?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy? Uh?

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<v Speaker 4>I when I had I had three strokes back in

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<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty, and after that happened, she became really judgmental

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<v Speaker 4>of me, and uh, it just ended it. It ended

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<v Speaker 4>up blowing up pretty much. I told her that fuck off.

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<v Speaker 4>Did she did she feel like you had done something

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<v Speaker 4>to earn the strokes?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah she did and tried depending on me, and then

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<v Speaker 4>when I wouldn't listen to her, she tried to go

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<v Speaker 4>to my parents to make them get on her.

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<v Speaker 3>It was really bizarre.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a ballsy move for a woman while you

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<v Speaker 1>were trying your best to deal with it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well even if even if she were right, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just I don't know what the upside would be of

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<v Speaker 2>a point.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I wasn't taking great care of myself and she

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<v Speaker 4>tried to blow it up into something it wasn't. And

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<v Speaker 4>I am very glad that I am no longer dealing

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<v Speaker 4>with that garbage.

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<v Speaker 2>Good question, Mike, Michael's smiling, good sound the smile on

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<v Speaker 2>your face. Michael, that would be a great call in topic.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't do that anymore on the radio show. But

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<v Speaker 2>what broke up your friendship? Oh, that'd be a good'd

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<v Speaker 2>be a good topic.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I've got a great story. I can't tell it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't think I have. Damn shame.

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<v Speaker 2>She'll get him.

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<v Speaker 1>I've only like really actively ended one friendship.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't you know what I got. I got a story.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if i'd be willing to tell it

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<v Speaker 2>on the air.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I'm sure you're okay doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But anyway to get back to the theme, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we can either do what we were going to

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<v Speaker 1>do or not here out of time, well, we can

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<v Speaker 1>do it tomorrow is speaking of kids, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>bring it all together. That's what I do I raised

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<v Speaker 1>three children who, in terms of well they are, they

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<v Speaker 1>unquestionably have traits that remind me of Judy and myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, it's as if they were selected randomly from

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<v Speaker 1>all the children in the United States in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>their strengths and not so strength these strengths and and

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<v Speaker 1>and their personalities and stuff like that. And and my daughter,

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<v Speaker 1>who is autistic fairly mildly, but unquestionably, her crap detector

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<v Speaker 1>does not work. Her vulnerability to scams has been a

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<v Speaker 1>big problem that we've been working on for a long time,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's getting way better at it, thankfully. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>the opposite, you know, the old saying, don't bullshit a bullshitter.

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<v Speaker 1>The minute I hear even like three percent bullshit from somebody,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yep, I'm watching and listening carefully, go on,

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<v Speaker 1>what were you saying? I mean, it's just but I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't earn that. I just I was born with it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I to a large extent, although being in show business,

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<v Speaker 1>as Don Geronimo, the Great Radio Guy would say, the

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<v Speaker 1>lowest rung of show business, but being in show business

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<v Speaker 1>for a career tends to make you a little more

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<v Speaker 1>skeptical and cynical, but anyway, I just wonder whether some

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<v Speaker 1>people are born without the ability to understand ambivalence, meaning

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<v Speaker 1>this is true, and this is also true, and I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of wish it wasn't, but I can accept it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just wonder. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I got one kid who's got very black and white,

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<v Speaker 2>strong political views on a controversial topic. I'm not going

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<v Speaker 2>to mention. I mean, just like, very strong and outspoken

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<v Speaker 2>about it, and it's caused him problems. He's lost friendships

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<v Speaker 2>at a very young age over this. I'm like, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>why do you think this? I don't think it, your

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<v Speaker 2>mom doesn't think it. We've never said anything, and I

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<v Speaker 2>have no idea where he came to this, but he

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<v Speaker 2>just does.

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<v Speaker 3>Type stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe No, I really don't know, And trust me, I've

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<v Speaker 2>spent a fair amount of time thinking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it the designated hitter? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that very strong. He thinks it's an abomination.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, keep sending your angry, enraged emails that seem to

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<v Speaker 1>be ignoring major points. But if it's a good vent

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<v Speaker 1>for you, a good outlet, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a very smart friend, quite possibly the smartest

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<v Speaker 2>person I've ever known, who would rather die than express

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<v Speaker 2>anything Trump ever did as being even slightly positive. And

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get it at all. I just don't get it.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you can say Trump shouldn't be present. I't

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<v Speaker 2>think you'd hear the reasons. But this was a good idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Why does that bother you.

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<v Speaker 3>When you say they're one of the smartest people you know?

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<v Speaker 3>Are they like book smart?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Very very okay?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, categories are smart.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>True takes all kinds. I guess I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>I ended a friendship. Guy wouldn't quit bringing up stupid

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<v Speaker 5>things I did in the past. And I was like

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<v Speaker 5>thirty five, and this was stuff in high school. And

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<v Speaker 5>I finally said, you know what, I don't I don't

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<v Speaker 5>want to hear this anymore and just left the Chili's restaurant.

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<v Speaker 1>That was it, really, Yeah, left my steaks right there.

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<v Speaker 2>So you said something, though, Yeah I did?

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<v Speaker 5>I said, yeah, I said, you know what, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm thirty five years old, and you know I don't

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<v Speaker 5>think about this stuff anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>So wow, good for you for one thing?

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<v Speaker 3>Did you leave him with your bill?

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<v Speaker 5>I put some money down and just walked out of there.

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<v Speaker 5>I said, here, here's twenty bucks.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got two examples i'd like to talk about, but

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<v Speaker 2>in both cases I ghosted them like a coward. Silence

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<v Speaker 2>is definitely, but also I just I'm not sure it

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<v Speaker 2>was worth they weren't it was worth getting into You've

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<v Speaker 2>you've fixed them, You've entered into the arena of you're

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<v Speaker 2>not worth my time anymore. So whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I love that Travis Kelcey thing. Do the

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<v Speaker 1>people in your life give you energy or do they

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<v Speaker 1>sap you of it?

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder where he is on Taylor at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>She's still giving him.

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<v Speaker 4>Energy, probably sucking the life out of him.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I guess that's it.