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Speaker 2: It's one more thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm one more thing.

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Speaker 2: I got a question before we get to that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: what percentage of the people on the Price is Right?

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Speaker 2: Or let's make a deal are mentally ill? M qualified

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Speaker 2: as mentally ill? Because this woman's with a mentally ill

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Speaker 2: I'm watching this woman. She just got picked out of

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Speaker 2: is Right. She is so freaking excited. I mean she's

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Speaker 3: She just sound like you hate joy. She's like.

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Speaker 2: She's like in her mid fifties. I mean, you've been

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Speaker 2: around a little bit, you know, you've seen some ups

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Speaker 4: She's probably been watching the show for years and it'd

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Speaker 3: Now she's just living.

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Speaker 2: Her dream and now she's got to ejaculate that joy.

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Speaker 1: That is clearly the case, Katy.

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Speaker 2: Now she's got a chance to win this Hyundai size

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Speaker 1: It's a gas zipper. You know what's It's all coming

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Speaker 1: clear to me now, Katie. He's admitted proudly he thrives

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Speaker 1: on shodenfreud joy from other people's pain. Clearly he gets

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Speaker 1: pain from other people's joke. Whatever the opposite of Shotenfreud is. Yes,

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Speaker 2: You know what it is. You know what I think

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Speaker 3: Yeah, her parents were great. Both of her siblings aren't

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Speaker 2: why do you think this? I don't think it, your

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Speaker 2: just does.

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Speaker 3: Type stuff.

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Speaker 2: Maybe No, I really don't know, And trust me, I've

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Speaker 2: spent a fair amount of time thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: Is it the designated hitter? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that very strong. He thinks it's an abomination.

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Speaker 1: Well, keep sending your angry, enraged emails that seem to

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Speaker 1: be ignoring major points. But if it's a good vent

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Speaker 1: for you, a good outlet, that's fine.

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Speaker 2: I have a very smart friend, quite possibly the smartest

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Speaker 2: person I've ever known, who would rather die than express

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Speaker 2: anything Trump ever did as being even slightly positive. And

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Speaker 2: I don't get it at all. I just don't get it.

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Speaker 2: I know you can say Trump shouldn't be present. I't

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Speaker 2: think you'd hear the reasons. But this was a good idea.

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Speaker 2: Why does that bother you.

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Speaker 3: When you say they're one of the smartest people you know?

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Speaker 3: Are they like book smart?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Very very okay?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, categories are smart.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: True takes all kinds. I guess I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I ended a friendship. Guy wouldn't quit bringing up stupid

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Speaker 5: thirty five, and this was stuff in high school. And

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Speaker 5: I finally said, you know what, I don't I don't

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Speaker 5: want to hear this anymore and just left the Chili's restaurant.

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Speaker 1: That was it, really, Yeah, left my steaks right there.

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Speaker 2: So you said something, though, Yeah I did?

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Speaker 5: I said, yeah, I said, you know what, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 5: I'm thirty five years old, and you know I don't

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Speaker 2: So wow, good for you for one thing?

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Speaker 3: Did you leave him with your bill?

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Speaker 5: I put some money down and just walked out of there.

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Speaker 5: I said, here, here's twenty bucks.

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Speaker 2: I've got two examples i'd like to talk about, but

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Speaker 2: in both cases I ghosted them like a coward. Silence

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Speaker 2: is definitely, but also I just I'm not sure it

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Speaker 2: was worth they weren't it was worth getting into You've

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Speaker 2: you've fixed them, You've entered into the arena of you're

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Speaker 2: not worth my time anymore. So whatever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love that Travis Kelcey thing. Do the

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Speaker 1: people in your life give you energy or do they

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Speaker 1: sap you of it?

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Speaker 2: I wonder where he is on Taylor at this point.

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Speaker 2: She's still giving him.

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Speaker 4: Energy, probably sucking the life out of him.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess that's it.