1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:01,280 Speaker 1: Taking a walk. 2 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 2: I ended up taking a little bit of a hiatus 3 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 2: for music altogether for like a couple of years, and 4 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 2: just wrote, met people, did meetings and just kind of 5 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 2: tried to figure out who I was and what I 6 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 2: really want to say, what I like, what I feel 7 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 2: like feels most authentic to me, and I kept coming 8 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 2: back time and time again to just more alternative kind 9 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: of music, even folk, musthetic, anything that's kind of more 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 2: organically based. Hi. I'm Dela Kay and I'm an all 11 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 2: pop artist from Los Angeles, and I am on Taking 12 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 2: a Walk podcast buzz Night talking about my new project, 13 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 2: my new single Nasty, and my upcoming epee coming out 14 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 2: this summer. 15 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 3: Della, thanks for being taking a walk, albeit virtually. It 16 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 3: would be nice to take a walk with you sometime 17 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 3: in LA, but we couldn't sync up our schedules. 18 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: You've been busy, Yeah, lots of not of studio time lately, 19 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: just kind of getting last minute things wrapped up and 20 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: kind of already starting to work on new stuff right now. 21 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 4: I love it. 22 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 3: Well, congrats on your new single Nasty. I like your comment. 23 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 3: We are secretly all a little a little bit of 24 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 3: a freak. What's the freakiest thing you've done. 25 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: Today, the freakiest thing I've done today. Honestly, the only 26 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: thing I can think of, the only thing I can 27 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 2: think of is I went to order coffee this morning, 28 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 2: and I forgot to get non dairy, So we're going 29 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 2: to be figuring out how that's going to be in 30 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: a little whip. That's the only nasty thing I can 31 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: think of today. 32 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 4: That's so nasty. 33 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: It's yeah, probably gonna be. 34 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 4: Well. Coffee does have a way, doesn't it. 35 00:01:58,800 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 2: It does? 36 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and nonre and non dairy too. 37 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 2: I know, I know it, but uh yeah, I mean, 38 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: as of right now, it is ten am the LA, 39 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: so haven't haven't done anything nasty today yet. 40 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 3: Other than that, we'll talk about the genesis of the song, 41 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 3: who you worked with, and how satisfying it was for 42 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 3: you to be creating it. 43 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: For sure, nasty, Uh was definitely one of my faiths. 44 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 2: One of the producers I started working with in town initially, 45 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 2: his name is Ryan Delude. He's a really awesome producer 46 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: and songwriter here in town that's worked with a bunch 47 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 2: of all artists and he uh, he and I had 48 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 2: been working together for quite a while, and so when 49 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 2: I started working with Steph Pigley Poco on some of 50 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 2: the other songs. I really wanted to bring Ryan in 51 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 2: on something, and I was able to bring in my 52 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: really good friend Kaz Park who was also an artist 53 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 2: and a songwriter in town, and Kaz, Ryan and I 54 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: got to just mess around and Ryan's studio one day 55 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 2: and we had just I want to say, we had 56 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 2: just come back from Coachella last year, and we were 57 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 2: super buzzed and inspired and we wanted to create something 58 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 2: kind of fun and just like out of the box. 59 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 2: And honestly, I didn't even know or think that I 60 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 2: was going to be putting it out myself. We were 61 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: kind of opening it up to maybe pitch to other artists, 62 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: and we just had fun with it. We just didn't 63 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 2: didn't put constraints on ourselves for the day, and we're like, 64 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: let's just write something crazy. Let's just like get out 65 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 2: of box, do something fun. And then we ended up 66 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 2: making Nasty and we ended up just kind of loving it, 67 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 2: just a fun, like rock heavy song, and sat with 68 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 2: it for quite a while, pitched it around a bit, 69 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 2: and it wasn't until maybe I would say, closer to 70 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 2: even like Christmas time where I was. I had decided. 71 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 2: I was like, I think I'm going to drop it myself. 72 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 2: We'll see, we'll see, And here we are, and I'm 73 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: really glad and happy that it's officially out in the 74 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 2: world and that we were able to do a visualizer 75 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 2: for it shot by my friend Jacqueline day Uh and 76 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: Pads and Ryan were both in the video too, so 77 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 2: that was really fun. They got to play drums and 78 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 2: guitar and we just got to like jam out in 79 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 2: this like mechanic shop in North Hollywood, so it was 80 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 2: it was a really good time. 81 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 3: And yeah, so I want to talk about your musical influences. 82 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 3: I know, early on you grew up in a fairly 83 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 3: traditional musical influence house hold, which you can talk about 84 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 3: those early influences, but I'm so fascinated by the fact 85 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 3: that your styles that you're creating, you've had EDM success, 86 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 3: you've got this sort of pop alt sound, get into 87 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 3: those diverse influences. 88 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe that when I first started doing music, 89 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 2: it was like that big wave of EDM was coming 90 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 2: through with like the Chainsmokers, all those people that were 91 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 2: just emerging, and I kind of fell in love with 92 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: I've always loved dance music growing up, so I got 93 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: into that quite easily, and after doing that for a while, 94 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 2: I realized that maybe doing EDM wasn't I loved it, 95 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 2: and I loved I loved DM music. I love listening 96 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 2: to it, but I feel like as an artist it 97 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 2: wasn't fulfilling me entirely, and so at the time, I 98 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 2: had management that I also didn't really feel like was 99 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 2: a good fit. And I ended up taking a little 100 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 2: bit of a hiatus for music altogether for like a 101 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 2: couple of years and just wrote, met people, did meetings 102 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 2: and just kind of tried to figure out who I 103 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: was and what I really want to say, what I like, 104 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 2: what I feel like feels most authentic to me. And 105 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 2: after a while, I just I kept coming back time 106 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 2: and time again to just more alternative kind of music, 107 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 2: even folk music, anything that's kind of more organically based 108 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 2: and growing up even before doing DAM music, growing up, 109 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: I was like, you know, a big fan in my household. 110 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 2: We were like a classic rock household, So it was 111 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: like Stevie Nicks, Leewood Mac, the Beatles, led Zeppelin, all 112 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. Was just like litening to it constantly, 113 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: and as I got a little older, I became obsessed 114 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: with bands like Green Day, Avril Lavine, and I just 115 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 2: I always kind of gravitated to the more punk kind 116 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 2: of style. And so after my hiatus a couple of 117 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: years ago, I came back and I did a song 118 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 2: with Ryan Dalou, who also did Nasty and Uh. It 119 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 2: was called old News, and that was like me kind 120 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 2: of dipping my toes back in the water. That and 121 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: I also did a song called The Worst Part that 122 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: was kind of dipping my toes in as well, And 123 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 2: and yeah, I think I think that was like kind 124 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 2: of the first little step I took into seeing kind 125 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 2: of like how it was received and how I felt 126 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 2: about it. And then as soon as I met my 127 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: producer who's done the majority of these songs on the EP, 128 00:07:55,040 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: Stefano Pigley Poco, I realized that I kind of like 129 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: dove in and got a little bit more clear on 130 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 2: the kind of sound that I wanted. And I feel 131 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 2: like now I've hindpointed it and I'm able to kind 132 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: of just like fully attack it moving toward. But definitely, yeah, 133 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 2: I think just a just a bunch of influences between 134 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 2: like classic rock stuff and punk stuff. I feel like 135 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 2: it is kind of the majority of where all of 136 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 2: this kind of comes from. 137 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 3: But I feel like you reached this sort of crossroads 138 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 3: where you were sort of wondering if you were playing 139 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 3: the game just to be signed the right way or 140 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 3: to advance the right way, rather than following your heart. 141 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 4: Is that right? 142 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah. I think I think I got into DA 143 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 2: music because I really I really liked dance music. I 144 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 2: loved I loved the scene, like the club scene at 145 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 2: the time and having fun. And I think after a 146 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 2: little while, as I just started to get older and 147 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: just mature, I kind of like was starting to feel 148 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 2: like it wasn't super authentic, and but I kept going 149 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 2: with it because at that point, with the management I had, 150 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 2: we had been for years while I was doing the 151 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 2: DM music, we had been taking meetings and trying to 152 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 2: get me signed. So it was at that point, and 153 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,239 Speaker 2: we had a distribution deal with Sony, So at that point, 154 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 2: you know, it was kind of we were trying to 155 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 2: play this long game, and at a certain point it 156 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: just didn't feel I think I think it really took 157 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 2: me parting from my management at the time for me 158 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 2: to really realize that I think I had just been 159 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: continuously pursuing that route to get signed, and it wasn't 160 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 2: It wasn't really something that I really was passionate about 161 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 2: long term. And I love, I love still writing DM 162 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 2: music and dance music, not for myself like for other artists, 163 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 2: but as far as like something that I wanted to 164 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 2: put out under my name and be known for, it 165 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 2: just wasn't something I felt that resonated completely wholeheartedly for me. 166 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 4: How does it make. 167 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 3: You feel if someone sort of evaluates your sounds and 168 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 3: kind of says, moy, she's a little bit of this, 169 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 3: a little bit of this, a little bit of this, 170 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 3: a little bit of this. 171 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 4: It's hard to sort of put you in a particular box, 172 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 4: you know, genre even. How does that make you feel? 173 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 2: Honestly? I think when you look at my like my 174 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: songs that I've put out, like if you're just looking 175 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 2: at my Spotify obviously, if you listen to like all 176 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: the EDM stuff and then all of a sudden it 177 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 2: cuts to a totally different sound and then going into 178 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,080 Speaker 2: more different sounds, it can be kind of confusing. And 179 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 2: I kind of, you know, I struggled with deciding whether 180 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 2: I wanted to completely either change my name or completely 181 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 2: rebrand myself altogether and separate the media music from what 182 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 2: I'm doing now. And as much as I'm kind of 183 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 2: considering it like a rebranding, I want people to still 184 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: be able to enjoy my old music even even as 185 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 2: I'm rebranding now and doing something new. So I don't know, 186 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 2: in a way, it's kind of nice. It's for people 187 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 2: to be able to see kind of how I've evolved 188 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 2: as an artist and be able to enjoy whatever kind 189 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 2: of music they like, whether they like me what I'm 190 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: doing now or what if if they liked what I 191 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 2: was doing before more. Either way, it's kind of nice 192 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 2: to just kind of have all of that up there 193 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 2: for people to listen to and kind of see what 194 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 2: resonates with them. 195 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 4: Seeh I think it's kind of cool. 196 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 3: I mean, if you think about some of the great 197 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 3: work in our time, the Beatles changed from album to 198 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 3: album radically sometimes, you know, Bob Dylan decided to go electric. 199 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 3: So I think I think the fact that there's these, 200 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 3: you know, various subplots to a career and that the 201 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 3: genre game doesn't have to be the first thing people 202 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 3: think about that they just think about an artist and 203 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 3: their creativity and their innovation. 204 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 4: That's I think that's kind of cool myself. 205 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 2: You know, I completely agree. I think that we shouldn't. 206 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 2: You know. I feel like a lot of times in 207 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 2: the industry, it's like people want to box you, they 208 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 2: want to put you in a package and be able 209 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 2: to say, okay, you're this and sell you the right way. 210 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 2: But it's really nice to be able to just not 211 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 2: be put in a box and to be able to 212 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 2: make whatever you're feeling in that moment. I know that, 213 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 2: you know, even just a couple of years ago, I 214 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: was a totally different person than I am right now, 215 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:05,839 Speaker 2: and I'm sure I'll be very different in the next 216 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 2: three years. So it's kind of nice to be able 217 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 2: to just really make what you want to make in 218 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 2: the moment, what you're passionate about, what strikes you, what 219 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 2: feels interesting, and just like kind of run with it 220 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 2: and live in that moment and let people be able 221 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:21,839 Speaker 2: to experience that in real time. 222 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 3: What's the first moment you remember that you really in 223 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 3: your life connected with music? 224 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 2: Ooh. To be honest, I want to say my parents 225 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 2: were both in music and acting growing up, and it 226 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 2: was always in my household, so I feel like even 227 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 2: just listening to my mom played piano and saying is 228 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 2: probably my first experience with music. And my mom is 229 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 2: absolutely incredible and just outrageous vocalists, like couldn't in my 230 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 2: wildest dreams I could. I could hit her notes. She's insane. 231 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 2: But both of my parents were like in a band 232 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 2: together when they were younger, with my aunt and a 233 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 2: family friend, and it was like an eighties rock band 234 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: and they toured around like Japan and all kinds of stuff. 235 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 2: They were called Starfire. They hate that I bring them up, 236 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 2: but I love it because it's so good. 237 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 4: You have any pictures? Do you have any pictures in 238 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 4: the van? 239 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 2: I'll all send you pictures. Yeah. Yah, they got pictures, 240 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 2: and I think I did an interview before and after 241 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 2: the interview somehow someone found their whole entire, like vinyl 242 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 2: on YouTube and I had to send it to them 243 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 2: and they were just like floor. They were like, I 244 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 2: don't know, hot bit's got on YouTube? This is crazy, 245 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 2: but uh but yeah, they they were. They did a 246 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 2: lot of that. So, like they loved rock music, pop music, 247 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: dance music. And then also just my mom when I 248 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 2: was little, my brother and I we originally were from 249 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 2: Chicago and then moved to Nashville because my mom had 250 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: thigh and a record deal with Word at the time, 251 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 2: and then realized that wasn't what she wanted to do 252 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 2: and ended up being just more so a stay at 253 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 2: home mom. Even just her songwriting. She used to like 254 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 2: play at the Bluebird Cafe in Nashville, Tennessee, with like 255 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 2: just amazing songwriters and just being able to grow up 256 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 2: in that environment and those small rooms where you're just 257 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 2: listening to the best songwriters. Nothing beats that to me. 258 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 2: I really love a good song. A good song is 259 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 2: a good song is a good song, and no matter 260 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 2: what kind of you know. Obviously, production can make her 261 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 2: break sometimes, but for the most part, I think songwriting 262 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 2: is like the foundation, it's the meat of it all. 263 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 2: And being able to grow up in those in those environments, 264 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 2: in those kinds of rooms, listening to my mom and 265 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 2: her friends write music was really awesome and I definitely 266 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 2: don't take that for granted, and growing up there and 267 00:15:58,040 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 2: Nashville's a really special place. 268 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 3: So talk about being in Nashville first of all, where 269 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 3: you grew up. 270 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 2: I believe it was Franklin, right yup, Franklin Tennessee. 271 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 4: Yeah. 272 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, did you see a lot of famous people around 273 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 3: that area, because I know that's the famous people area 274 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 3: of Nashville. 275 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 2: Yes, I want to. I mean, honestly, there's been so many. 276 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: But I just have like one really funny memory. It 277 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 2: was like right after I got my driver's license, Like 278 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 2: I think I had my driver's license for maybe three days, 279 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 2: and my mom and I were driving to like Starbucks 280 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 2: one day before I had school, and I totally got 281 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: a speeding ticket. So I was driving the lights in 282 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 2: front of the school weren't flashing, but it was still 283 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: school zone hours, and I got pulled over and I 284 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 2: ended up having to driving school. And so then a 285 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: few days later I was going to driving school. It 286 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 2: was like really early in the morning, and I had 287 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 2: gone to Starbucks again, didn't grab coffee. 288 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 4: Before you have the non dairy? Did you have the 289 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 4: non dairy? 290 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 2: We had the oat milk. So we were set. We 291 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,239 Speaker 2: were good, and I was in line. I was in 292 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 2: line and I was ordering and a friend of mine 293 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 2: was working that morning. It was really early, like six 294 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 2: thirty seven am, and I heard a man talking next 295 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 2: to me, and because I had been mentioning that I 296 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 2: was going to driving school and I heard this accent 297 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 2: and it was just like, oh, driving school, that's no good. 298 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, like, that's not a Nashville person. And 299 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 2: I look over and hits Keith Urban and then literally 300 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 2: Nicole Kinman just walks up right behind him and is like, Darling, 301 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 2: would you like something to eat? And I'm just like 302 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 2: just staring, you know, just staring at them and just like, 303 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 2: you know, she's absolutely gorgeous, just both of them, just 304 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 2: you know, just a regular morning at Starbucks. And I'm 305 00:17:55,920 --> 00:18:02,959 Speaker 2: just like, okay, bye, guys. But yeah, on Franklin. In Franklin, Tennessee. 306 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 2: It's right by Leaper's Fork, which is like a very 307 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 2: well known area where a lot of artists and people 308 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 2: live out there. A lot of songwriters have their private 309 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 2: studios out there. And I know that the Urbans used 310 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 2: to live out there and I have family friends who 311 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 2: worked with them for a while. But yeah, it was 312 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 2: crazy running into them. I just was like I remember 313 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 2: being half a fleet too, just like absolutely so out 314 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 2: of it and just seeing Urban or Keith Evan and 315 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 2: Nicole Kim and I was just like, just another day. 316 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 4: It's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, very nice, La. It's a 317 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 4: beautiful area, but everybody in Nashville is so nice? 318 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 2: Yeah? 319 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 4: Is everybody in l A really nice? 320 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 2: You know? I had this conversation a couple of days 321 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 2: ago with someone and we were talking about the difference 322 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 2: between kind and nice people. And I feel like, like 323 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 2: kind people, it's like your character, It's like who you 324 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 2: are in nice niceness. It's like you can put on 325 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 2: niceness to be a certain way to get something or 326 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 2: to to just be with people. And sometimes I find 327 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 2: my friend was saying, New York people are more kind, 328 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 2: and LA people are more nice. I have to say, 329 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: like with Nashville and LA people, it's it's hard to say. 330 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 2: I want to say. It can be at times a 331 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 2: very surface level town, you know, in the in the 332 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 2: music industry, where people are just trying to get by 333 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 2: or to meet people. But I've been really fortunate to 334 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 2: meet so many kind people here and also just in 335 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: Nashville too. I feel like your vibe attracts your tribe. 336 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 2: I think that's the saying. And I've been really fortunate 337 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 2: enough to meet so many wonderful people who have just 338 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 2: the most onuine hearts, who are just so excited to 339 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 2: be here and to be making art and to just 340 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 2: support people. There are plenty of like nice people in 341 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 2: LA and in any big city, but I think there 342 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 2: are so many really really amazing people here doing so 343 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 2: much amazing or putting out so much amazing art, doing 344 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 2: amazing things. And I'm excited and yeah, very fortunate to 345 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 2: be a part of that. 346 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, as you're talking about it, I was thinking back, 347 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 3: we'd like to have I like to say, you know, 348 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 3: new artists, independent artists, hall of famers, everybody in between. 349 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 3: There's a young man from the area where I live 350 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 3: in the Boston area, family friend named Will Pequin, who 351 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 3: took his career out to live in LA to make 352 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 3: make his music. 353 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 4: And then as you're talking about it, I'm thinking, I 354 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 4: got to check in with that fella to. 355 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 3: See how he's how he's making out, because you know, 356 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 3: the East Coast to the West coast transplant thing can 357 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 3: be difficult. 358 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 4: I'm guessing right. 359 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think I said earlier my family's 360 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 2: originally from Chicago. It's like we're in living in Nashville, 361 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 2: so it's like we're I'm so used to just like 362 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 2: Midwest like life people, and then also you know Southern people, 363 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 2: it's like float pace, really chill, very nice kind of vibe, 364 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 2: and you know, being thrown into La where it's just 365 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 2: very fast paced, go go go, kind of like New York, 366 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 2: but in a different way. I think it's like you 367 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 2: got Hollywood, you got all the stuff going on here, 368 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 2: and it can seem a bit overwhelming at times. You know, 369 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 2: there's like a lot of pressure, I feel like, especially 370 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 2: for women, to fit into a certain kind of stereotype, 371 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 2: into a certain look or a certain thing, to be 372 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 2: able to be more how littible for audiences or for 373 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 2: people in the industry, and it can be difficult to 374 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,959 Speaker 2: just like kind of sit in your own element and 375 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 2: be confident in that and not feel like you're having 376 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 2: to be something else or for someone else. I think 377 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 2: we've all struggled with that a bit, especially being a 378 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 2: woman in the industry. But I think that I don't know, 379 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 2: I feel like the most success I've had, or in 380 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 2: the most at peace I've been is just being myself 381 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 2: and not trying to change for anyone or or try 382 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 2: to do anything that that wasn't sound in my heart 383 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 2: or that wasn't true to me. So it is definitely 384 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 2: it's definitely a different world out here. But at the 385 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 2: same time, there's so much exciting stuff happening that I 386 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 2: and opportunities that I probably wouldn't never have had hadn't 387 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 2: i've been here. I like. It can be a lot, 388 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 2: but I love it. I love to be here. I 389 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 2: can't lie. 390 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 3: It's so easy driving around there and getting around you know, 391 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 3: it's just a piece of cake. 392 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 2: So easy, honestly nowadays, to be real, whenever I go 393 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 2: back to Nashville to visit my family, traffic is almost 394 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 2: the same, if not worse. It's pretty bad. But but yeah, driving, yeah, 395 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 2: driving in LA. That's the only thing I love about 396 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 2: New York is you can just take the train. I 397 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 2: used to live in Chicago, went to school up there, 398 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,719 Speaker 2: so awesome. You can just take the train everywhere if 399 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 2: you don't. But here, I mean you pretty much have 400 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 2: to have a car. 401 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more of the Taking a 402 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: Walk podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a Walk podcast. 403 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 3: So you have this, you know, real, I think, great 404 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 3: independent streak And as you're thinking about your independence and 405 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 3: your authenticity, where are you dreaming? 406 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 4: This is all going to go. 407 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 2: I think my goal is to just keep creating things 408 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 2: that I love and being able to reach larger and 409 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 2: larger audiences over time. I would really love to do touring, 410 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:26,479 Speaker 2: international touring and be able to play alongside some artists 411 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 2: that I admire greatly. And I feel like, really that 412 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 2: in a nutshell is like it for me. I feel 413 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 2: like to be able to reach larger fan bases and 414 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 2: play play alongside people that I just absolutely admire, you know, 415 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 2: and letting that kind of grow from there, that's just 416 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 2: I feel like that is that would be it for me. 417 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 2: It's all about loving what you do. If that is lost, 418 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,719 Speaker 2: you know, it can feel sometimes like you're just getting 419 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 2: by and doing like going to sessions and doing the work. 420 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 2: But I'm really fortunate that I'm in a place right 421 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 2: now where I'm just really loving everything I'm doing. And 422 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 2: I think as long as I continue to love what 423 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 2: I'm doing, and I think that's the key. Just love 424 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 2: what you're doing and just everything everything as it progresses, 425 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 2: it's all. I'm just going to be more and more 426 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 2: grateful for everything that's happening. And yeah, I don't know, 427 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 2: I just have to let it grow. 428 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 3: Who are some of those people that you admire that 429 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,719 Speaker 3: you'd like to be collaborating with, either studio wise or 430 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 3: tour wise. 431 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 2: Well, I know I mentioned Green Day and Avril Levine 432 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 2: Willow Willow Smith is another artist that I really admire. 433 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 2: I think she's so amazing. I saw her at Coachella 434 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,959 Speaker 2: last year. She was just shredding on guitar screaming. I 435 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 2: was like, what, I didn't know if she was like 436 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 2: doing any sort of screamo with her music at all, 437 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 2: and it was really cool. Some other bands like that 438 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 2: are kind of like old school emo bands, like The 439 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,719 Speaker 2: Story so Far. I don't know why, I just I 440 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 2: really love them, and some new artists like Maggie Linman. 441 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 2: Trying to think there's so many I really I really 442 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 2: love Blink one E two has been around for a 443 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 2: hot minute, but you know, any for a hot minute. 444 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 2: But you know, it's like any any of those like 445 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 2: big like funk hop bands. Would love to work with 446 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 2: any of those bands, like Travis Barker. I know he's 447 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 2: like drumming and producing a ton of stuff now, So Travis, 448 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 2: if you're listening, let's do a session. Aw fun, there 449 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 2: you go. But but you know, really, honestly, just I 450 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 2: love I love like high energy performance stuff, So touring 451 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 2: with acts like that would be just a blast. 452 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 3: I think, take us inside what a writing session would 453 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 3: be like with with you and your your crew, your 454 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 3: crew of Bandolero's. 455 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, every session is kind of different, to be honest. 456 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 2: It Sometimes I come in with like a little voice 457 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 2: memo and I'm like, this is some little idea, and 458 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 2: then a lot of the times I'll come in and, 459 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 2: like if I'm working with Stefano, for instance, we'll kind 460 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 2: of talk about before I come in, like, hey, I 461 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 2: heard this thing a song like this, something that's up tempo, 462 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 2: that has this kind of feel or whatever, and he 463 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 2: might create like little scratch track, and then I'll come 464 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 2: in and we'll mess with the track some more, and 465 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 2: then I'll go on the mic and lay down some 466 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 2: melody passes. And usually I feel like I'm pretty strong 467 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 2: with melodies first before lyrics. For whatever reason, sometimes lyric 468 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 2: lyrics pop out first, but for the most part, I 469 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 2: love to just build a song from start to finish melodically, 470 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 2: like how it feels, and make sure it's really strong, 471 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 2: and then from there it's easy to just kind of 472 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 2: piece together your favorite your melodies that are the strongest 473 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 2: and line them up and then able to sit down 474 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 2: and actually like focus on writing after that, like be 475 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 2: able to have it playing, you know what the melody is, 476 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 2: and be able to sit and focus on the lyrics. 477 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 2: That's typically how I like to work. I know a 478 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 2: lot of people some people are like lyrics have to 479 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 2: be first before melodies at all. But I really think that, 480 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 2: especially like with how commercial the music industry is, or 481 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 2: at least like with the style I'm doing, melodies are 482 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 2: so important. Like with radio songs, a good song is 483 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 2: a good song. You want your lyrics to matter, you 484 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 2: want your lyrics to be like good. But at the 485 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 2: same time, sometimes the melody is all all it is 486 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 2: for things to click or to be popular. Sometimes if 487 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 2: your song just is playing on the radio or playing 488 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 2: on a little Andora station or whatever. It is, like 489 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 2: even in someone's workplace, a lot of times that they 490 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 2: just like the melody of something, that catchiness or whatever. 491 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 2: We'll just stick in their head and they won't even 492 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 2: remember the words. We'll just remember the melody over and over. 493 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 2: So I definitely try to focus a lot on melody 494 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 2: when I'm writing. But yeah, I would say that's usually 495 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 2: that's usually how we go about things. And then once 496 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 2: we got a rough demo down, we'll kind of leave 497 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 2: it and maybe come back another day and do like 498 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 2: final vocals and ad libs and harmonies and all that 499 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 2: kind of stuff, and add any other additional instruments we want. 500 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 2: Then it's in to mixing and mastering, and then that's it. 501 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 2: That's usually how it goes down for me. 502 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 3: What do you think the state of the music businesses 503 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 3: right now? For an artist perspective. 504 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,959 Speaker 2: It's a hot mess. It's an ever evolving hot mess. 505 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 2: I don't you know. It can be really discouraging to 506 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 2: look at the music industry in the state that it's 507 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 2: in right now and be like, do I want to 508 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 2: do this? But it's like, at the end of the day, 509 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 2: I don't see myself doing anything else. I don't have 510 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 2: a plan. B. This is it for me. So I 511 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 2: really hope the music industry gets it together. But I 512 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 2: think back when I was doing dam music, you know, 513 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 2: it was like labels were more involved at the time 514 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 2: with doing more A and R and really developing artists 515 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 2: and trying to really like be a part of it 516 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 2: and get them out there. And for some reason that 517 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 2: has slowly dwindled over the years. As soon as kind 518 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 2: of TikTok came into play, and now we're so focused 519 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 2: on viral viral ability, no words, but like being so 520 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 2: viral that it's not even about the artist or the 521 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 2: music anymore. It's literally just about money, how much money 522 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 2: you can make? Is are do they have a following? 523 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 2: You know, all this stuff, and it can be really 524 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 2: discouraging because there's so many artists out here, myself included, 525 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 2: but so many people I know, my friends, that are 526 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 2: obscenely talented, that are like doing really cool stuff. But 527 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 2: you know, the TikTok algorithm is messed up. And let's 528 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 2: say your videos don't get as many views as you 529 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 2: think you should, or like it doesn't reach a certain 530 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 2: amount of people. The immediately you are kind of pushed 531 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 2: out of that category of being able to even get 532 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 2: those meetings or be seen, which is really unfortunate and disheartening. 533 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 2: But now we're talking about banning TikTok apparently, so in 534 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 2: a way, I'm actually really excited about this idea, but 535 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 2: it's so hard because it's like with TikTok, it's like 536 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 2: even if your video reaches a few people, every time 537 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 2: you put something out, it's still reaching people. You're still 538 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 2: gaining listeners. You're still gaining fans. It's definitely a really 539 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 2: helpful platform, I think, and also just to connect with 540 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 2: other artists to be able to collaborate. But at the 541 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 2: same time, I think that if TikTok was taken out 542 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 2: of the picture completely, we would be left with touring 543 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 2: the songs the streams where we were always kind of 544 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 2: at and again, it might have to go back to 545 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 2: more developing artists, and I think that's a great thing. 546 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 2: I don't know what will happen with TikTok, but I 547 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 2: think that I wish the music industry was still developing 548 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 2: artists more. I think that it's a labels job to 549 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 2: help these artists become more viral or to get in 550 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 2: front of more people, to get into different rooms. So 551 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 2: to just expect an independent artist who's you know, some 552 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 2: people have financial funding, sponsorships, a lot of people don't. 553 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 2: A lot of people are working at coffee shops, bartending, 554 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 2: doing whatever they can on the side while they're making 555 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 2: their music. We're all doing what we can to get 556 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 2: by to be able to do our art, and I 557 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 2: think that it's kind of unreasonable to expect an independent 558 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 2: artist to just do everything. You know, we do what 559 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 2: we can. But having a label to really step in 560 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 2: and be more of that business side and take that 561 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 2: load off of an independent artist, you know, would be wonderful. 562 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 2: And I think that if they start kind of focusing 563 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 2: on that Morgan and A and Ring, I think that 564 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 2: would be a really great place to begin. Again for artists, are. 565 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 3: You mentoring anybody or do you envision that you would 566 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 3: mentor someone down the road. 567 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 4: In your career? 568 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 2: Oh? Of course I talked. I talk to my friends 569 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 2: all the time. I'm like, obviously, first and foremost I 570 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 2: want to be and continue being an artist and a songwriter. 571 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 2: But you know, I also have interest in A and Ring. Yeah, 572 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 2: I think with that comes mentorship. I think finding finding 573 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 2: people and putting them together. I'm also like a big 574 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 2: advocate on mental health. So for me, any any sort 575 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 2: of help that I can give any other person, guidance 576 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 2: or anything to make this journey more enjoyable or enlightening, 577 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 2: I would love to help in any way I can. 578 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 3: You know, we produce this other podcast hosted by women 579 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 3: named Lynn Often it's called Music Saved Me. It's about 580 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:08,280 Speaker 3: the power of music around mental health issues. As an example, 581 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 3: do you believe music has sort of healing powers in 582 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,959 Speaker 3: those regards absolutely. 583 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 2: I mean, my my my dad is now a psychologist. 584 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 2: So our household was very music based, but also super 585 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 2: based around mental and and and taking care of ourselves. 586 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 2: And from a very young age, and I experienced firsthand 587 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 2: kind of meshing music into therapy and into healing and 588 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,359 Speaker 2: being able to write and get those feelings out and uh, 589 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 2: you know, when you're experiencing great things or experiencing hardship, 590 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 2: I think that's so therapeutic. Even just even just listening 591 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 2: to music, Like if there's you know, whatever artists you 592 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 2: love to listen to that just you know, they have 593 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 2: this one song or the guitar sounds certain way, and 594 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 2: it just like makes you emote. It just makes you feel, 595 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 2: you know, happy or sad or whatever. It's like it 596 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 2: helps us grow and move through these emotions. And I 597 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 2: think that even people who have no musical ability, who 598 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 2: just like listen to music sometimes or don't have much 599 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,839 Speaker 2: of a cut of music, I think would agree that 600 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 2: we all put some music on because we want to 601 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 2: feel something. Music is a very beautiful thing to help 602 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 2: us navigate through emotions, and it's been a big part 603 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 2: of my dealing process I've been through so much in 604 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 2: just the last few years. I had like a massive concussion. 605 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 2: I have post concussion syndrome now, so I'm working through 606 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 2: all kinds of head issues. I'm also a sexual assault 607 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 2: survivor and had a lot of difficult moments in the 608 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 2: past couple of years, And honestly, if it weren't for 609 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 2: doing music, I don't know if I would be here. 610 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,239 Speaker 2: At times things can be really dark and things can 611 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 2: be really heavy. Having that outlet and also having people 612 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 2: around you to support you and to encourage you to 613 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 2: continue being inspired is so important. And I can't stress 614 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 2: like how important community is and picking the right people 615 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,760 Speaker 2: to surround yourself with music is wonderful. And it's someone 616 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 2: who's even struggling with mental health is looking for some 617 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 2: sort of avenue to channel some of that. I would suggest, 618 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,359 Speaker 2: even if you're not musically and kind at all, maybe 619 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 2: start writing poetry. Maybe writing some poetry and finding some 620 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 2: people who are good at music and bringing some of 621 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 2: your ideas to life or doing some things like that 622 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 2: I think would be a very fulfilling and healing thing 623 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 2: to do. To start as an idea for someone or 624 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 2: for anyone interested in that, but Yeah, for me, it's 625 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 2: been it's been definitely very healing. 626 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 3: I want to close talking about a song of yours 627 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:02,320 Speaker 3: that I think is so sweet. It's called Daughter, and 628 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,240 Speaker 3: talk about the creation of it and what that song 629 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,280 Speaker 3: means means to you. It's just such a sweet piece 630 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 3: of work. 631 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 2: Daughter is definitely one of my favorites and obviously is like, 632 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,240 Speaker 2: you know, doesn't sound like the rest of my music, 633 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,240 Speaker 2: and it's kind of a one off song. I wrote 634 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 2: that song with my friend Ricky Joe Randall in her 635 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 2: house in East Nashville. My dad's birthday was coming up, 636 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 2: and my dad is just a you know. I feel 637 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 2: like everyone talks about their parents, they're like, oh, oh, 638 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 2: they're the best. I love them, But my dad is 639 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 2: really exceptional, the most generous, like kind hearted, giving, selfless person, 640 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 2: hardworking man. It's just my favorite person and one of 641 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 2: my favorites. And my mom she's listening, She'll be like 642 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 2: and me. Both of my parents are my favorite people. 643 00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 2: I'm really lucky that I'm close with them both. But 644 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 2: I wanted to give my dad something really special for 645 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,359 Speaker 2: his birthday, and so I was writing with my friend 646 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 2: Ricky and I had like a little voice memo idea. 647 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 2: He was just like, oh this, I totally like I 648 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 2: got this, and just we bounced back and forth and 649 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 2: within like a couple hours, got it down and made 650 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 2: a demo of it, and played the demo for my 651 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 2: dad for his birthday, and you know, of course he 652 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 2: like cried. It was very emotional. December rolled around and 653 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,360 Speaker 2: I got together with my friend Ryan Dlude, who did Nasty, 654 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 2: and I was like, Ryan, I really want to like 655 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 2: put this out and surprise him and maybe make like 656 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 2: a more cinematic version, which is the version that's out. 657 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 2: And we put it together and I was able to 658 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,800 Speaker 2: bring it home for Christmas. He had no idea. He 659 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 2: just thought the demo was the gift and that was it. 660 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 2: And so I was able to play him What's now 661 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 2: out for as a Christmas gift and it was really special. 662 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 2: And I love that I have that song to kind 663 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 2: of just live, just to have that moment forever, just 664 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,839 Speaker 2: to be out there, and also just to have like 665 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 2: I found this the kind of person my dad is. 666 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 2: I found a voice memo from Father's Day a few 667 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,359 Speaker 2: years ago, and he had called me on Father's Day 668 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 2: before I could call him, and he was just he 669 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 2: was just thinking me for being his daughter. He was 670 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 2: just happy to be my dad and he was calling 671 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 2: me on Father's Day. It was just like a thing 672 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 2: he would do. But I found the voice memo was 673 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,839 Speaker 2: so sweet, and I was like, I have to put 674 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 2: this in the song. Got to do it, and the 675 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 2: voice memo wasn't in the demo. I was able to 676 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 2: put the voice memo at the end of the song 677 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,480 Speaker 2: and all of us were pretty much waterworks. It was 678 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:54,320 Speaker 2: like in the studio in December, like mixing and mastering 679 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,439 Speaker 2: with Ryan. Both of us were just like it got 680 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,399 Speaker 2: to be just kind of a joke. Honestly, like both 681 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 2: of us just like laughing. We're just like we have 682 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,840 Speaker 2: to stop, Like we're like, how are we going to 683 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 2: finish this? But yeah, I'm really happy to have that 684 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 2: piece of work out and just to kind of live 685 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:11,800 Speaker 2: in that moment and be able to hear my dad's 686 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:16,319 Speaker 2: voice in a song forever. That's just like priceless to me. 687 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 4: So tremendous. Del Quy. I wish you much success. 688 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 3: I've really enjoyed having you on my podcast, and I 689 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 3: hope the non dairy creamer doesn't suddenly kick in. 690 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 2: We shall we shall see good vibes, putting out in 691 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 2: good vibes. 692 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 4: Thank you. 693 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 694 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 1: Walk podcast. Share this and other episodes with your friends 695 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: and follow us so you never miss an episode. Taking 696 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: a Walk is available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 697 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 1: and wherever you get your podcasts.