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Speaker 1: Our Way with yours truly Paul Anka and my buddy

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Speaker 1: Skip Bronson, is a production of iHeartRadio. Hi, folks, this

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Speaker 1: is Paul Anka.

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Speaker 2: And my name is Skip Bronson. We've been friends for

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Speaker 2: decades and we've decided to let you in on our

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Speaker 2: late night phone calls by starting a new podcast.

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Speaker 1: And welcome to Our Way. We'd like you to meet

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Speaker 1: some real good friends of ours.

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Speaker 2: Your leaders in entertainment and.

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Speaker 1: Sports, innovators in business and technology, and even a sitting

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Speaker 1: president or two.

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Speaker 2: Join us as we asked the questions they've not been

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Speaker 2: asked before, Tell it like it is, and even sing

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Speaker 2: a song or two.

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Speaker 1: This is our podcast and we'll be doing it our way.

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Speaker 3: I wanted it this moment to happen when you don't

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Speaker 3: expect it, and the song went to number one. It

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Speaker 3: just defied the odds, and I remember my record company

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Speaker 3: like saying this is never going to go and pop radio,

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Speaker 3: and the song became number one single. And then, as

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Speaker 3: will happen, sometimes I just got paged. Is this romantic balladeer?

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Speaker 4: Guy Any Richard?

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Speaker 5: Hey Paul of what's happening? I've spoken to you a while?

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Speaker 5: What you do?

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Speaker 6: I'm glad you're using my real name too. Can't hide

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Speaker 6: behind can't hide behind the nickname. People are getting confused.

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Speaker 6: I getting a lot of Texan well because we had

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Speaker 6: two Richards. Because your friend Richard Marx is coming on today,

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Speaker 6: and yeah, I'm really looking forward to talking to him.

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Speaker 6: I can't believe this guy's got just one of his

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Speaker 6: songs on Spotify has five hundred millions. It's his mind

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Speaker 6: by me, and he's like you, he's always working. Another

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Speaker 6: energizer bunny that's always out there working. I've got but

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Speaker 6: I've got to tell you, I've got to ask him.

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Speaker 6: I saw the reference to Kenny Rogers when I was

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Speaker 6: doing my research on him. Kenny and I, as you know,

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Speaker 6: Kenny and I were very close friends. He was just

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Speaker 6: a very special friend of mine. I can't wait to

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Speaker 6: talk to him about him. Yeah, you're gonna love him

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Speaker 6: talking Richard. I've known a guy a long time and

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Speaker 6: he's really one of those guys that's lasted predicated on talent.

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Speaker 6: And he said so many hits. He said Billboard Chide fourteen,

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Speaker 6: number ones. He's written for other people. He's got fascinating

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Speaker 6: stories about you know, Lionel Richie in his life how

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Speaker 6: that started. His father was a great jazz pianist, and

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Speaker 6: when I met him, he was so young, and I

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Speaker 6: just you know, there's certain It's like you and your deals.

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Speaker 6: You know, he can smell a deal and you know

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Speaker 6: for me when I first met him, and we went

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Speaker 5: And that's and I'm so proud of them.

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Speaker 6: The thing that I love is when we get these

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Speaker 6: just love that part. But this is a guy I'm

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Speaker 6: interested in hearing about his relationship with his wife, Daisy Fuentes,

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Speaker 6: who we first saw on MTV Great. I want to

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Speaker 6: hear about the people he collaborate with you know, you

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Speaker 6: and I talked nightly. But when I mentioned the fact

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Speaker 6: that's not Amazon, just one platform. Could you've ever imagined

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Speaker 6: anything like this when you've now first getting out. I mean,

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Speaker 6: if you sold, you sold records, what did you need?

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Speaker 6: How many records typically did they have to sell to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he'd got multiple gold records.

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Speaker 6: This is a whole in the world different, it's changed

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Speaker 5: Not prevail today. What do you like about it and

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Speaker 6: The whole streaming thing, Well, I can't look at it

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Speaker 5: I think we need evolution. I think we need change.

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Speaker 6: I think what I don't like about it today is

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Speaker 6: You know, they're upredicated on finding and developing new people,

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Speaker 5: Mean, I defy it. Okay, tell me what's the number one?

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Speaker 5: We'll go there today?

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Speaker 6: I couldn't tell you, but I could tell you this

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Speaker 6: that that's the point. One of the number one songs

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Speaker 6: on TikTok is put your head on my shoulder. Okay,

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Speaker 6: oldie Goldie. No, they're using it like crazy.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 6: But the point is it's so changed that you don't

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Speaker 6: And I take artificial intelligence, which you know me, I'm

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Speaker 6: all that bad wagon for years. That's going to even

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Speaker 6: make it even more complicated. So you know, I like it.

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Speaker 6: I'm optimistic the music industry they'll have. They'll be doing

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Speaker 6: AI Paul Ankers, they'll be writing songs scripts me. It's

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Speaker 6: all open, you know, it's just send me the check.

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Speaker 6: What are you going to do at eighty three? I've

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Speaker 6: done it, you know, just give me my little piece

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Speaker 6: But there's this sapp I told you that I'm high

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Speaker 6: on called perplexity, which is an AI driven form of

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Speaker 6: like a search engine. And you wrote an entire song,

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Speaker 6: no exaggeration, twenty seconds and you know it's not going

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Speaker 6: I know in the past you've talked to guests that

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Speaker 6: we have about songwriting and why that's so critical, not

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Speaker 6: is like in my business, whether you're developing shopping centers

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Speaker 6: our form of songwriting. You know, we don't use lyrics,

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Speaker 6: it's different, but storytelling. That's the key to everything at

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Speaker 6: this point, isn't it.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you're reminded me of when Gates and what

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Speaker 6: was Buffett that called Gates was with them and the

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Speaker 6: same machine and app that you're on. Gates showed them

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Speaker 6: asked the machine to give me four different versions of

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Speaker 6: we're talking about today. It is incredible. Licensing has to

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Speaker 6: be a disaster because if you sing a verse of

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Speaker 6: copyright everything that goes along with it. And yet you

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Speaker 6: the people are just spitting stuff out. Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: it's going to be interesting. Lawyers are going to be busy.

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Speaker 6: China is going to become interesting because they we don't

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Speaker 6: a sent out of China or Russia. It's like all

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Speaker 6: the bogus bags that are made and jewelry and Rolexes

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Speaker 6: you can get the French government. Because I was just

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Speaker 6: those places, and they're starting to shut them down to

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Speaker 6: protect the properties of air mess and we'll be telling

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Speaker 6: all of that. But we don't get a thing out

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Speaker 4: It's amazing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah it is.

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Speaker 6: Well, you're gonna go to drink some alligator tea here,

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Speaker 6: some new concoctions. No, no, no, I gave that up last month. Seaweed, seaweed, seaweed.

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Speaker 6: I gave him alligators. See, it's still just sticking my throat.

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Speaker 6: That a tooth come through my nose. Hen't wait here

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Speaker 6: the next concoction. That's all I can tell you. Well,

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Speaker 6: it's working so far anyway. I love your brother, You're

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Speaker 6: the best. Just love you to death. I'll catch up

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Speaker 6: with you tomorrow. You just get some sleep, you got it.

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Speaker 6: You sound like you don't need it. You're full of energy.

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Speaker 6: Love me, skip, Love you too. Thanks for calling your brother.

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Speaker 3: What do you say? Kids? Yeah? Hey, how you doing, buddy?

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Speaker 1: You're back from the tour?

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Speaker 3: Huh? Well for a minute, yeah, well's I know what

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Speaker 1: Still, let's skip Bronze and my buddy skip skip.

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Speaker 3: How are you pleasure?

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Speaker 7: How are you doing? Real name Richard.

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Speaker 1: Till Richards so so skippy.

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Speaker 7: Listen.

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Speaker 1: We've been so damn lucky because we get all our

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Speaker 1: And our guest today figured out at a young age

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Speaker 1: when I met him, and I've talked to you about him,

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Speaker 1: and I've known him for so many years and admired him.

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Speaker 1: He sold like over thirty million albums worldwidees been on

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Speaker 1: the Billboard charts forever. But he's kept his ship together

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Speaker 1: all these years. He's still working, still viable all these

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Speaker 1: I keep prodding him.

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Speaker 5: Give this up.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this fucker is so good looking. So but

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to have him on and introduce you

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Speaker 1: to him. He's done it all, he continues to do

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Speaker 1: it all. And I've been blessed with probably two of

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Speaker 1: up and we've had this connection all these years, right

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Speaker 1: is some kind of cat. Richard. Welcome, folks. Richard Marx

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Speaker 1: my buddy. I'll tell you right out front, let's tell

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Speaker 1: about this great career years.

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I want to say thank you.

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Speaker 3: I'm so happy to be here with you. And yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean you kind of said it all. I was

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Speaker 3: year when I met you and was such a fan

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Speaker 3: say I'm going my way? Did you say that?

433
00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 5: Yeah?

434
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going my way. You were half a

435
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 1: song there, But I didn't know in the beginning. And

436
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 1: when I found out you wrote that with him, probably

437
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 1: one of the greatest voices, if not the greatest, right.

438
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 3: Agree, the right one hundred percent.

439
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,400
Speaker 1: How did that come about writing that with him?

440
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 3: Well, Luther and I met at the American Music Awards

441
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,159
Speaker 3: in the early nineties and we were both as I recall,

442
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,640
Speaker 3: he won Favorite R and B Vocalist and I had

443
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 3: just lost Favorite Pop Vocalist to Bobby Brown, I believe.

444
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 3: But you know how you at those awards things you go,

445
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 3: if you you're nominated, that you're presenting or whatever, there's

446
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 3: always like a press room in the back after you

447
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 3: walk off the stage, and there's press that wants to

448
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 3: talk to you. And it just happened to be Luther

449
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,640
Speaker 3: and I were back there at the same time, and

450
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 3: we had never met, and Luther came over to me

451
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 3: and he just said such wonderful things that I was

452
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 3: a huge fan of his, and like you said, Paul,

453
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 3: I mean from back then to the day he died,

454
00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 3: I think he was in the top three best scene

455
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,159
Speaker 3: we've ever had, and for sure, so I was just

456
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 3: it was a lot of mutual compliments, and we exchanged

457
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 3: numbers because we just sort of immediately, you know, you

458
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 3: just click with somebody, right, you could tell like you

459
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 3: get a good vibe from somebody. And we were both

460
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 3: touring a lot, so we ended up becoming friends on

461
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 3: the phone. We would call each other from whatever, God

462
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 3: knows wherever town we were in on tour. And then

463
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 3: I came home. My first son had just been born,

464
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 3: so I was taking a little time off, and Luther

465
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 3: and I started hanging out and becoming friends. And he

466
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 3: came and sang background vocals on some tracks on my

467
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 3: you know, the album that I was making at that time,

468
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 3: and then he called me and said, I'm doing a

469
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 3: new album. I'd love to try to write a song

470
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 3: with you. I'm doing a Christmas album. So we wrote

471
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 3: a song called every Year Every Christmas, which became a

472
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 3: pretty big hit on his Christmas out. It was the

473
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 3: only single from his Christmas album, and it was effortless.

474
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 3: It was very unlike you and me, Paul. It was

475
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 3: I wrote several songs with Luther, including Dance of My

476
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 3: and we were never in the same room. It was

477
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 3: very much like an Elton John b Berniey Topplin thing,

478
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 3: where in a distance it was separate. Yeah. I wrote

479
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 3: the music. Luthor would listen to the music. He wrote

480
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 3: the lyrics which is opposite of Bernie and Elton, but

481
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 3: that's how he would do it. And so we wrote

482
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 3: several songs over the years, and one day he called

483
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 3: me two thousand and three, I guess it was, and

484
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 3: he said, I have just a title and it's danced

485
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 3: with my father. And all I know is I have

486
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 3: to write it with you because years before, like several

487
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 3: years before, I had very tragically lost my father in

488
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 3: a car accident, and it was we were very close,

489
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,239
Speaker 3: and it really wrecked me for a while. And there was,

490
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of my loved ones and my

491
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 3: friends tried to be there for me and help me,

492
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 3: but no one could seem to pull me out of

493
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 3: this depression and this grief. And one day I got

494
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 3: a call from Luther, and I don't it wasn't even

495
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 3: the specifics of what he said to me, but we

496
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 3: talked for an hour and at the end of that

497
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 3: conversation he just knew what to say to me. He

498
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 3: helped pull me out of this depression I was in.

499
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 3: And we talked a lot about fathers, and he his

500
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 3: father had passed away when Luther was like eleven or twelve.

501
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 3: He barely knew his father, but he had these very

502
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 3: vivid memories of his dad dancing around the kitchen with

503
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 3: his kids and his and his and Luther's mom, and

504
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 3: it was such a beautiful image. So he said, I

505
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 3: don't want to write a song called dance with my father,

506
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 3: So go write me something. Go write me some music.

507
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 3: And so I immediately went to the piano and I

508
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 3: came up with you know what became the song, and

509
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 3: I sent it to Luluther and he was like, yes, yes,

510
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 3: that's exactly what I wanted. I got, but I got

511
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 3: so many lyrics. I'm gonna can I change some of

512
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 3: the verse melody? I said, do whatever he want, so he,

513
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 3: you know, he wanted more syllables and and within a

514
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 3: couple of days he called me and he said this

515
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 3: is it. I'm calling I'm going into the studio tomorrow

516
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna cut this song. And he ended up

517
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,719
Speaker 3: using my you know, I did a little demo in

518
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,719
Speaker 3: my studio, so there was MIDI you know, the the

519
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 3: files were there, and he just took my piano part

520
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 3: and then built the track around it, sweetened it, yeah,

521
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 3: and uh mixed it maybe ten twelve days later called

522
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 3: me said I'm FedExing you this the mix, and he said,

523
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 3: I just want to say that this is the most

524
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 3: important song I've ever been a part of. He said,

525
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 3: any I remember him saying, this is my piano man,

526
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 3: this is my signature song. This is going to be

527
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 3: the song I'm really going to be known for. And

528
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 3: I went, don't say that. You're putting too much pressure.

529
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 3: You're putting like it's just a beautiful song, man, Don't

530
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 3: don't over hide a bit. You know, he knew. He

531
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 3: just knew it was going to resonate, and you want

532
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 3: to Grammy And we won the Grammy, and like two

533
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 3: weeks after he mixed it, he had a stroke. And

534
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 3: you know, he lived to see us win Song of

535
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 3: the Year at the grounds, but he didn't get to go.

536
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 3: I went and hung out with him in the hospital.

537
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 3: After that, I went right from the Grammy stee New

538
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 3: York and spent a day with him, and then he

539
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 3: hung on there with us for maybe another eight months

540
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 3: or ten months. I missed him every day. He was Paul.

541
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 3: I've said this if you can believe it. He was

542
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 3: as funny and kind as he was talented. That's how

543
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 3: cool that guy was.

544
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: That was his reputation everybody felt the same way about it. Yeah, yeah,

545
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: so that voice unbelievable.

546
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. I used to say you could sing the

547
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 3: menu to a Chinese take up place, and I was.

548
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: The phone book, the phone, the phone book.

549
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, so bring it up to real time, you know.

550
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 7: No matter how well Paul and I know the guests

551
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 7: that we have on this podcast, we still do our research.

552
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 7: I was looking and I found that your song right

553
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 7: here waiting, which everybody knows. Everybody knows that song has

554
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 7: five hundred million downloads on Spotify.

555
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: Where's my check it's coming?

556
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 7: But think about this, that's only one platform. That's not Amazon,

557
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 7: that's not Apple Music, that's just Spotify alone, five hundred million.

558
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 7: I mean, neither of you could have imagined when you

559
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 7: first started in your careers that there could be a

560
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 7: phenomenon like this where you know you'd get this type

561
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 7: of exposure. But I want to ask you about Kenny

562
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 7: Rodgers for a minute. I can't explain to you, Richard,

563
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 7: how close I was to Kenny Rogers.

564
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 3: Oh really.

565
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 7: I met Kenny because I worked with Steve when at

566
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 7: Mirage Resorts, and Steve was close to Kenny. We became

567
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 7: good friends. We did fun things together. I'll never forget

568
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 7: the time Kenny White to go to Kenny Rogers Roasters

569
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 7: and go through the driving lane. And we went to

570
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 7: the driving lane, and I can only explain to you

571
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 7: what the guy what it looked like when he gave

572
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 7: the order to the guy, and it was Kenny Rodgers

573
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 7: ordering at Kenny Rodgers Rops.

574
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 3: Sounds like Kenny. That sounds like Kenny.

575
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 7: But that was that was Kenny, right. So Kenny and

576
00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 7: I probably played one hundred rounds of golf together. I

577
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 7: went to his farm in Athens, Georgia, hung out with

578
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 7: him there. He was just a special guy. But while

579
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 7: this was going on, my wife left me and I

580
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 7: was devastated. I was just literally upside down. Kenny Rogers

581
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 7: was my shrink. I swear to God. He called me

582
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 7: every day to check in how you doing, Here's how

583
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 7: you get through this, this is what you do? Do

584
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 7: that and call me tomorrow. He had good experience, but

585
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 7: he you know, he was just such a remarkable guy.

586
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 7: But then again, in doing the research, I read where

587
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 7: you had said that Kenny wrote one line in a

588
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 7: song and he wanted fifty percent of it. I was

589
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 7: just curious, how'd that come about?

590
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 3: The story is, and I mentioned it in Passing a

591
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 3: minute ago. But so I got hired when I was

592
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 3: nineteen to sing on Kenny's album that he was making.

593
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 3: I was booked for two days, so I went in

594
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 3: and I sang on one or two songs, and they

595
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 3: really liked what I did, so they said, come back tomorrow.

596
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 3: We've got a couple more songs for you to sing on.

597
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 3: And I overheard Kenny talking to his producer, a guy

598
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 3: named Richard Perry very, you know, successful producer Kenny. I

599
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 3: overheard Kenny say, you know, Gos, we still need that

600
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 3: one ballad, We need that that Lady, We need the

601
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 3: next Lady, we need that song, that that love song.

602
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 3: But it's just you know, over the top, like no

603
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 3: brainer one listen, And I knew. I had a session

604
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 3: the next day, and I went home to my apartment

605
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 3: and I sat at my little electric piano and I

606
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 3: wrote Crazy, this song called Crazy, and I modeled it

607
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 3: after Lady and Lionel's truly And so I like wanted

608
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 3: to do a one word title. And you know, Paul understands,

609
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,719
Speaker 3: like you you got to you got to write smart,

610
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 3: you gotta you had to really think about what the

611
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 3: target is, and I wrote this thing that I knew

612
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 3: Kenny's range because I was a fan of his and

613
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 3: I so I came in the next day and I

614
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 3: did exactly what you should never do if you're there

615
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 3: to be the background singer. This is a good way

616
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 3: to get fired, to go up to the artist and

617
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 3: say I'm a songwriter too. You know, I got a

618
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 3: song for you. That's bad form. But I couldn't not.

619
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 3: It was like it was the opportunity was too good

620
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,959
Speaker 3: to pass up. So I at the end of the session,

621
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 3: I did my work so I wouldn't get fired before

622
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 3: they had me sing. I went up to him. I

623
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 3: remember my legs were shaking, and I said, you know, no,

624
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 3: I overheard you yesterday. I called him, mister Rogers, I

625
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 3: overheard you yesterday saying you're still looking for a song

626
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 3: and I'm a songwriter and I wrote something for you.

627
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 3: And you could see the look on Kenny's face. I know,

628
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: here we go, but he was gracious, says, you know

629
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 3: skip and he said, well, let's hear it. So I

630
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 3: started to reach into my pocket for the cassette. He goes, no, no, no, no,

631
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 3: just go to the piano. I was like, oh my god,

632
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 3: Now I got to play the piano and sing the

633
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 3: song fan like I'd just written it, you know. So

634
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 3: we went to the pian and he sat next to

635
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 3: me and I played it and he he was had

636
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 3: his eyes closed and he said, this is really good.

637
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 3: This is really good. And at the end of the

638
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 3: song there's a line that I had written with this, iigh,

639
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 3: note you are the dream that finally came true. And Kenny,

640
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 3: at the end of the song, he said, go back

641
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 3: to that part. You are the dream that finally came true.

642
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 3: I said, He goes, is there any way you could

643
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 3: say you are the dream that finally came true for me?

644
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 3: And I sat the pian, I looked I said, yeah,

645
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 3: I just go for me, just the end of line,

646
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 3: whatever you wanted. And he said, great, I'm now you're

647
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 3: co writer. And we wrote this song together fifty to fifty.

648
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 3: And I'd heard these stories about that stuff being done,

649
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 3: and for whatever reason, instead of me being offended or

650
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 3: feeling like how dear, I was like, one hundred percent

651
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 3: of nothing is nothing and to have my name next

652
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 3: day is on a song is good for my career.

653
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 3: So that I gladly gave into that and skip, you'll

654
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 3: because you were friends with him too. I was friends

655
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 3: with him to the end. In fact, the last email

656
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 3: I got from him. He wasn't a text guy. He

657
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 3: was an email guy. And remember he would always email

658
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 3: in all caps. He would always yell at you in

659
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 3: his email, yelling right. It was about two months before

660
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 3: he passed, and he I'll never part with it. I've

661
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 3: saved it. I look at it. Everyone I saw because

662
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 3: I stayed friends with him to the end of his life.

663
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 3: So I really loved the guy, and I loved spending

664
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 3: time with him and talking to him on the phone

665
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 3: and getting emails. And he said something like, we both

666
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 3: know you really wrote that song, but I still get

667
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 3: half the money.

668
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 7: I didn't know he had some Morris.

669
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: It's called yeah morse LEVI heard again, and it's called

670
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: write a word, write a word and get a.

671
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 3: Third, get a third, or in this case, just ask

672
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 3: for half and you got it.

673
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: Well, I did it with Johnny Arson, right you. I

674
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: felt the same way you did, man, you know exactly.

675
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 3: And look at what we did the right We made

676
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 3: the right move. My friend.

677
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, half a something, half of something.

678
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 7: When you were hanging out with him, did you ever

679
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 7: encounter Rob Pinkus.

680
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 3: You know that name. I do, but I don't remember.

681
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 3: I just remember the.

682
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 7: Name he was. He was Kenny's sort of bodyguard arranger.

683
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 7: You know, he collected all the phone numbers, right, you

684
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 7: know he was. He was his right.

685
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: Hand of the plumber the electricians.

686
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 7: But they were like Batman and Robin. You know, Rob

687
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 7: got Rob got the leftovers. But you know it was

688
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 7: quite a it was great thing. I have to ask you.

689
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 7: When we have Michael Boobley on, I asked him this question.

690
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 7: I'd like to ask you the same question when you

691
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 7: first decided you want to I know your dad was

692
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 7: a jazz musician. Yeah, but my father was a window trimmer.

693
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 7: That didn't inspire me to went to his business. When

694
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 7: you first started, why not rock and roll as a

695
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 7: young person, wasn't that the un that was the whole

696
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 7: big thing to be a rock and roll star, to

697
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 7: be you know up on the stage.

698
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 3: Well I was, I was. I started, I started at

699
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 3: rock radio.

700
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 7: You had some rock songs at first, but you pivoted

701
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 7: from that, right, I mean, you wouldn't consider yourself a

702
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 7: rock and roll artist.

703
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 3: I don't think I'm considered that now as much but

704
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 3: they was it was. I mean, my first hit was

705
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 3: a song called Don't Mean Nothing that featured three of

706
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 3: the Eagles, and my first single in nineteen eighty seven

707
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 3: was actually went to number one on the rock chart,

708
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 3: so I and I crossed over from rock to pop

709
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 3: and the song became a top five pop single. And

710
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 3: then the next song was that front row Seat. No,

711
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 3: frontwar Seat was just not that long ago. That was

712
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 3: that was way way later in my career. Don't Main

713
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 3: Nothing was the first single, and then the second single

714
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 3: was a song called shit None Better that became a

715
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,959
Speaker 3: huge rock hit, and then another and crossed over the pop.

716
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 3: But at the end of that album, that first album,

717
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 3: I had written this about one. There was one ballad

718
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: on the album called hold On to the Knights, and

719
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 3: I had arranged it and recorded it. You know, I

720
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 3: was very influenced by Peter Gabriel at the time, and

721
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 3: still I'm a big Peter Gabriel fan, and I loved

722
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 3: the sparseness and the space that Peter always created in

723
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 3: his records. Open real open, yeah, very open, not commercial really,

724
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: So I even though the song was was a very memorable,

725
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 3: catchy melody, I deliberately produced the record with all this

726
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 3: space and to the point where it didn't like nobody's

727
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 3: gonna sit through that on the radio. Well, guess what, well,

728
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 3: I loved it.

729
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: I'll interrupt you because that's one of my favorite. The

730
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 1: drums did not come in for about a minute and

731
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: a half exactly, and then that great guitar solo. Whose

732
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: guitar solo was it Mike Landau? Was it Landau Guitars? Anyway,

733
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: go ahead, I know exactly what you were doing with that.

734
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 3: Oh, I love that you just pointed that out. Yeah.

735
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 3: I said, I want there to be this moment like

736
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 3: in the Air to Night by Phil Collins. I wanted

737
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 3: this moment to happen when you don't expect it. And

738
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: the song went to number one. It just it defied

739
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 3: the odds, and I remember my record company like saying

740
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 3: this is never going to go and pop radio, and

741
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 3: the song became a number one single, and then, as

742
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 3: will happen, sometimes I just got pegged as this romantic

743
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 3: balladier guy and it was hard to like come back to.

744
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 3: I did have another couple of rock hits. I had

745
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 3: a song called Sa Satisfied. It was number one, and

746
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 3: you know, big on the rock charts. But I started

747
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 3: to get sort of pegged as this romantic balladeer. And

748
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 3: then the record company at the time they knew what

749
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 3: was easy. Just give him more of that. Oh he's

750
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 3: he's a love song guy. Girls love him. Let's just

751
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 3: keep hyping then, and I would say, okay, we can

752
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 3: do that, but I'm also a rocker, like, let's keep

753
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 3: let's not lose that. It was a matter of a

754
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 3: year and a half, two years. It was sort of

755
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 3: like rock radio went now he's a pop guy, and

756
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 3: that was that. So then I just dove headfirst into Yeah.

757
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 3: I never stopped making rock records. I mean, even my

758
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 3: last album has probably some of the hardest rocking songs

759
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 3: I've ever done. But I'm just not that's not the perception,

760
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 3: and that's okay with me.

761
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 7: Just reading your memoir, you talk about you're having had

762
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 7: a mysterious illness. Yeah, but you don't you don't say

763
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 7: what that illness was. I don't know if you want

764
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 7: to say.

765
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 3: It here, but I would if I knew what it was.

766
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 3: To this day, we don't know where it.

767
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: Was mysterious illness. He didn't know what it was at all,

768
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: What were the symptoms Richard, what were the symptoms.

769
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 3: The symptoms were very COVID like, and it was at

770
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 3: the very it was even a couple of months before COVID.

771
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 3: So I woke up in a hotel in New Jersey.

772
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 3: I was playing show somewhere and I was shivering with

773
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 3: cold chills. I had a one hundred and four fever

774
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 3: and I started, having never happened to me before. I'm

775
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 3: a very healthy guy. I started having convulsions. I started

776
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 3: to seize like I was. I remember thinking I'm going

777
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 3: to have a heart attack because I couldn't stop thrashing

778
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 3: in my bed. And it lasted for several minutes and

779
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 3: I couldn't even reach for the phone call somebody who

780
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 3: called nine one one. I couldn't. I was just convulsivet

781
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 3: I was having a seizure and it finally subsided, and

782
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 3: just as I was about to try to move, it

783
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 3: happened again. And I remember thinking I'm gonna die in Inglewood,

784
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 3: New Jersey. This is not sexy. But I got through it.

785
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 3: Ended up doing the show that and I because Paul,

786
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 3: you know, the show must go on. My voice was okay,

787
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 3: so I was like, I pulled myself together to get

788
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 3: on stage. And do a show. I ended up going

789
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 3: to the infectious disease experts at UCLA Medical Center. I

790
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 3: went to CEDARS. I got tested for everything you can imagine,

791
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 3: no COVID, no lupus, know this, all the things that

792
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 3: could have explained this fever that would not stop. I

793
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 3: had a fever at least one hundred and two forty

794
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 3: four straight days well, and so of course my doctor

795
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 3: thought I had an mphalma. Somebody self said I had

796
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 3: a heart infection. I kept getting tested for everything, nothing,

797
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 3: and it finally went away about you know, after forty

798
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 3: four forty five days, and that was four years ago,

799
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 3: four and a half years ago. I haven't had the

800
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 3: sniffles since. So it was just this crazy mystery illness

801
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 3: that hopefully never returns.

802
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: Fright me, fright.

803
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 7: I have to give a plug to Paul's and my

804
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 7: doctor at UCLA, Robert Spinner s HPI in e Er.

805
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 7: He's the doctor that the other doctors send people to

806
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 7: when they can't figure out what's wrong, and they refer

807
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 7: to him as doctor Clouseau. Yeah, he's the most remarkable guy,

808
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 7: and he just he just can figure things out that

809
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 7: nobody else can figure out.

810
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 3: Oh, text me his number. You got it just in case.

811
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 3: We help each other, We look each other up, we

812
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 3: help each other out. We're brothers.

813
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: You know something people have lost, the meeting of friendship.

814
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: Skipstered my rap on this. I try to teach my son.

815
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: People have to get back to understanding what real friends

816
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: are and how to treat them and be with them.

817
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 1: We've lost that. They've lost it. I agree, And you're

818
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: that buddy. Other than when we go to dinner, you

819
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: overdose me with Rod Stewart, who you're madly who you

820
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: are madly in love with, and I've choken on my

821
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: fucking foot. But tell Skip a budget, you're all appeal

822
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: with the with Stewart.

823
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 3: I just you know, I've always been a huge, huge

824
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 3: Rod fan since I was a kid and met him

825
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 3: in passing at like an award show or a radio thing,

826
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 3: and he was always very nice, but you know, not

827
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 3: hanging out. But he was the only person really who

828
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 3: I when I would run into him or I would

829
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 3: see him, and there were even times I would see

830
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 3: him in a restaurant and I didn't know him well enough.

831
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 3: I didn't want to interrupt him or whatever, but I

832
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 3: would just be like, he's so fucking cool. Rod Stewart

833
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 3: is so fucking cool and not like from Uh. He'll

834
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 3: be the first to tell you he's not like this.

835
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 3: You know, he's not Sinatra vocally or you know, p variety,

836
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 3: But it's the sound of his voice, it's his phrasing.

837
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 3: I think he's a really nderrated songwriter. Maggie May Tonight's

838
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 3: the night. Some of these songs he's written, you wear

839
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 3: it well anyway. I'm a massive, massive band and seen

840
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 3: him in concerts so many times I was in. I

841
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 3: did a tour in Australia at the beginning of last

842
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 3: year and I had been talking about him for a

843
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 3: couple of days in the interviews, mentioned his name to

844
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 3: my band a couple of times. This is like two

845
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 3: days in a row, three days in a row. And

846
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 3: we ended up going to Perth to finish the tour

847
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 3: and we're having dinner and he just walks right in

848
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 3: front of us, like right. I had mentioned his name

849
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 3: about ten minutes before we sat down, and then he's

850
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 3: in this restaurant in Perth, Australia. I couldn't believe it,

851
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 3: and I hesitated again because they don't know him, know him,

852
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 3: and I thought he was leaving with some people, and

853
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 3: I was like, fuck that. I went Rod and he

854
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 3: turned he looked to me and I said, it's Richard

855
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 3: and he looked like did he go? And he came

856
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 3: running over. He gave me the biggest hug, introduced himself

857
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 3: to everybody. He had met my wife Daisy before because

858
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 3: they had done some events on with MTV, and so

859
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 3: he had met Daisy before. And we stayed and talked

860
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 3: and then he said, are you busy tomorrow night? Do

861
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 3: you want to get get together for Drakes or something?

862
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 3: That's okay, We're gonna be here for another two days.

863
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 3: So we ended up getting back together the next day

864
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 3: and we just hit it off and that was it.

865
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 3: And from that point on, we're in touch all the time.

866
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: I'm seeing him in a couple of days because we're

867
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 3: both playing the Mountain Winery in Saratoga back to back,

868
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 3: so I'm staying over to hang out with him, and

869
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 3: he's just become, like you said, Paul, like once in

870
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 3: a while. And I feel like this has happened since

871
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 3: our reconnection. There are people you just go, you know,

872
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 3: I have to deal with so many people day in

873
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 3: and day out who like don't really care for. If

874
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 3: you connect with somebody and you you become friends with

875
00:43:55,080 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 3: somebody where there's mutual respect, there's mutual interest, there's laughter.

876
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 3: You gotta hold those people close, you know, you gotta

877
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 3: like make the time. And that's what that's what I

878
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 3: do with Rod, even though it annoys you. I see you,

879
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 3: I see you even more than I see Rod. See

880
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 3: what does that tell you?

881
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: You have good judgment? But you just glanced saying the

882
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 1: word Daisy. And I know your passion for your music,

883
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: and you know how blessed guys like you and I

884
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: who have made the longevity trip, we hope we submit.

885
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: But like Skip with his wife, my woman, Michelle, you

886
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: know when I go out to dinner with you and Daisy,

887
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: that is in our world alone, the business that we're in.

888
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: What an amazing and beautiful love story that is. Because

889
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: I know some of the nuts and bolts of the

890
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: two of you and whence you came, and you wear

891
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 1: that so well and how much it means to you.

892
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: You know, some of us too late in life realize

893
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: if you don't have that other person, that that's kind

894
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: of friend that's there for you, you're missing a whole lot.

895
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 3: In that piece of ply, I agree.

896
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: Tell us about Daisy, how you guys connect it up?

897
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: Oh my good woman. And I'm so happy for both

898
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: of you.

899
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, and she loves you too. She has

900
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 3: actually thanked me a couple of times. She's like, just

901
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 3: spending time with somebody like Paul and Michelle. She loves Michelle,

902
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 3: she says, it's just that's like, that's time well spent.

903
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 3: As she said, you know, and well, where do I

904
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 3: even begin. I mean, she's had an incredible career as

905
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 3: a TV personalities and as a model, but she is

906
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 3: a really smart business woman who started her own brand

907
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 3: in twenty years ago. It's one of the longest running

908
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 3: celebrity brands. And she started it when a lot of

909
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 3: people were like, oh no, no, no, we don't do that,

910
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 3: We're too serious. Where she was like, I want to

911
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 3: be a you know, I want to do everything. And

912
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:59,240
Speaker 3: she's had this incredible brand, that clothing brand, sunglasses, home furnishings, perfeme,

913
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 3: you name it. She was the only person on MTV

914
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 3: who I never met all those years, I would beat

915
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 3: I have. We have found video of her introducing my videos.

916
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 3: Never met her. I met everybody else at MTV. I

917
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 3: was fancyater, as they'd say. I always thought she was,

918
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 3: but it was more than just her physical beauty. For me,

919
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 3: it was all of this. When I would see her

920
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 3: on TV. There was something about Daisy that made me

921
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 3: think I would want to hang with her. She was cool,

922
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 3: there was something she was funny, and we just never

923
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 3: our paths never crossed. And then we found each other

924
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 3: on Twitter, of all places, we ended up we were

925
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 3: following the same person and this thread of tweets connected us,

926
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 3: and so then we started following each other. And then

927
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 3: it was maybe a year or two later we didn't meet,

928
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 3: and it was not It wasn't I wasn't flirting with her.

929
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 3: I wasn't like what they called sliding into her dms

930
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 3: at that point. It was very respectful. I just was thought, Oh,

931
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 3: Daisy's like, she's so cool. I bet she's really cool.

932
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 3: And I was Mary at the time for a very

933
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 3: long time, but my marriage was starting to unravel and

934
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 3: I was on my way out of that marriage. And

935
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 3: I'm a very private person. I've never been in the

936
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 3: top boys. Nobody taught you know, there's nothing to talk about.

937
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 3: So I was separated for quite a while before anybody

938
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 3: knew publicly, and I did a show in La ten

939
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 3: years ago, nine years ago, ten years ago, and I

940
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 3: invited Daisy. I didn't even have her number. I just

941
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 3: messaged her on Twitter and I just said, Hey, I'm

942
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 3: going to be doing a show in LA at the

943
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 3: Grammy Museum. If you're in town, i'd love you to

944
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 3: be my guest. And Daisy, to her credit, saw the

945
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 3: message and didn't answer me. She immediately called her publicist

946
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 3: and she said, Hey, Richard Mars just invited me to

947
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 3: the show he's doing in a couple of weeks at

948
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 3: the Grammy Museum, and I'd like to go, but i'd

949
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 3: like to answer him and say that I already have tickets.

950
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 3: Can you help me get tickets? Classy move right? Her publicists,

951
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 3: he's my client. She goes, what the fuck are you

952
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 3: going to tell me that? She goes, I don't talk

953
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 3: about my he doesn't know.

954
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 7: You're like ying.

955
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 3: She goes, you'll come with me. So my publicist brings

956
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 3: Daisy to the show. And there's a hang in the

957
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 3: dressing room after rooms, all these people around, and the

958
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 3: door's over been and I'm kind of talking to some

959
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 3: people and I keep looking at the door because I'm

960
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 3: not sure if she's going to come backstage or not.

961
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,919
Speaker 3: And all of a sudden, she walks through the door. Now, Paul,

962
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,479
Speaker 3: you and I both know we've written song after song

963
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:30,959
Speaker 3: about that lightning bolt thing. It's good poetry. I never

964
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 3: really experienced it until that moment. I'd written songs about it,

965
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 3: fantasizing about it. But when she walked through the door,

966
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 3: all I remember thinking was I'd never experienced anything like that,

967
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 3: seeing a human being and she's walking to me. All

968
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 3: I remember thinking was my life just changed. And I

969
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,919
Speaker 3: didn't know what that meant. I didn't know she could

970
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 3: have been married. I didn't even know if she was

971
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 3: involved whatever. I just knew everything that I've known up

972
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 3: until this moment is different now because of this presence

973
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 3: of this person. And so she came over and she

974
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 3: gave me a hug, she told me how much she

975
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 3: loved the show. There's a photo there was a Getty photographer,

976
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 3: so we have a picture of the moment we met,

977
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 3: which is pretty amazing that we have framed in our house.

978
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 3: And then we just she gave me her number and

979
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 3: we started talking, and we very slowly started dating. I

980
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 3: was still kind of even though I was the one

981
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 3: who sort of made my way out of my marriage.

982
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 3: It was a very hard time for me. It wasn't

983
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 3: like hey party. It was a lot of partache and

984
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 3: it was painful time. So we went pretty slow, and

985
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 3: also because Daisy didn't want to feel like she was

986
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 3: just a rebound relationship, you know. But we found our

987
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 3: way to this beautiful romance that always had this major

988
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 3: component of being best friends. Like, she's the best friend

989
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 3: I've ever had in my life. I trust her more

990
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 3: than I've ever trusted anybody else. Be married nine years

991
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 3: in December, Paul knows. I mean, in a limited time

992
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 3: you spent with her, she's just remarkable. She's a really

993
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,439
Speaker 3: remarkable person. Yeah, I'm a lucky guy.

994
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: You guys are cool. And you've got three sons.

995
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 3: I got three sons who are grown.

996
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: Men in the music business.

997
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 5: Right.

998
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 3: They're all in the music business. They're in their thirties

999
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 3: and they're trying it. You know, they're they're very talented.

1000
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:22,919
Speaker 3: But it's tough.

1001
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: It's tough tough time for business today, is it, Richard. Yeah,

1002
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: it's so changed.

1003
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 3: But you know, this is an important thing to mention.

1004
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 3: Three sons who are in their thirties and they're one

1005
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 3: of their best friends. Is days. You know, you hear

1006
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 3: about these when you you know, somebody's married for a

1007
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 3: long time, they have kids, and then they remarry and

1008
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 3: then the kid there's there's drama with the kids and

1009
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 3: the new wife, and it's just the most seamless vacation together.

1010
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 3: My boys are around all the time. They hang out

1011
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 3: with her when I'm on the road. Sometimes one of

1012
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 3: them will call me and say, I'm gonna go over

1013
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 3: and talk to Daisy about this girl. I don't know

1014
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 3: what you know. I went to Daisy's advice on this,

1015
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 3: So let's listen.

1016
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: You think of the alternative, which can be so miserable.

1017
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 9: Exactly, you're so lucky it works that way.

1018
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 7: So you said that you have sons in their thirties,

1019
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 7: after say, you look like you're in your thirties.

1020
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 3: Go on, this is my favorite show I've ever done.

1021
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, but well late thirties, but thirties. So

1022
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 7: what's your regimen?

1023
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: He met nineteen thirty.

1024
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly, what's your routine? Like you get pick get

1025
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 7: up early, get up late. Do you do you work out?

1026
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 7: If you work out? How do you work out?

1027
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 3: I get it pretty early these days. I wake up

1028
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 3: and I do some crystal math to get started. I

1029
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 3: get really whacked out. No, I work out.

1030
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 1: He is a health nut like I am. You I am,

1031
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: and we're just one of those kind of creatures, you know.

1032
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we're I'm very very careful with my diet.

1033
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 3: No sugar, no no rehre at me since I was eighteen.

1034
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 3: You know, I've always had a pretty healthy diet. But

1035
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 3: I work out like a maniac because a I want

1036
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 3: to live as long as I can, but in a

1037
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 3: healthy way. I don't want to just live to be old.

1038
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 3: I want to be vital. I want to be able

1039
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 3: to travel and do whatever I want and stay active.

1040
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 3: You know, Paul and I talk about this a lot,

1041
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 3: because you know, Paul's an inspiration too. I mean, look

1042
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 3: at this guy.

1043
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 7: But when you say work out like a maniac, just

1044
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 7: describe what that what that means?

1045
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 3: Well, First of all, I don't take days off, even

1046
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 3: on the road, even if I'm tired. I get an

1047
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 3: hour at least in the gym uh weightlifting, strength training,

1048
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 3: because that's really important as we get older. I used

1049
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 3: to do a lot more cardio in place of that,

1050
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 3: and I was just skinny. I wasn't I was lean,

1051
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 3: but I wasn't fit. And then I switched to strength

1052
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 3: training and I work out like usually two different body

1053
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 3: parts a day and I just alternate them. And you

1054
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 3: got to you got to shock your body. Everyone. You

1055
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 3: can't do the same thing all the time. You get it,

1056
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 3: like introduced new stuff. I do pilates with Daisy, which

1057
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 3: when she first asked me to do it, I was

1058
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 3: like as the girls, and she was like, just come

1059
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 3: to one session with me. This is a couple of

1060
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 3: years ago, and it kicked my ass harder than anything

1061
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 3: I'd ever experienced. And it's an incredible full body workout.

1062
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 3: So I try to do pilates at least once a week.

1063
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 3: You know. My only advice is I like a martini

1064
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 3: or two at night. You know, that's it.

1065
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: Martini or two twelve.

1066
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 3: If I'm with Rod Stewart, it's twelve.

1067
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: Who's up stage, Skippy, She's waiting there with a martini.

1068
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: I mean he's not even off stage. You see an

1069
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: arm Yeah right there, boom.

1070
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 3: He's there with a martini and a kiss in that order,

1071
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 3: in that order.

1072
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1073
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 7: But what you're talking about with your teen it made

1074
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 7: me think of friend of mine, David Geffen, he had

1075
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 7: just lost like fifteen pounds, was looks really great. So

1076
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 7: another friend of brace said, so, David, did you use

1077
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 7: those empic? He said no. He said, oh, big use Banjaro?

1078
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 3: He said no.

1079
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 7: He said, well, what did you use? David leaned in

1080
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 7: and said discipline.

1081
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, I mean those You know, I know that

1082
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 3: some people tout those drugs as being affected for them

1083
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 3: in ways that other things weren't, but it really it's

1084
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 3: just not for me. I think that there's there's payback.

1085
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 3: Payback's a bitch with stuff like that.

1086
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 7: By the way, those drugs are saving a lot of lives.

1087
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 3: Yes, I agree, I agree. I'm not putting it down.

1088
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 7: I'm just saying, no's some people it shouldn't be doing it,

1089
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,720
Speaker 7: but the ones that really needed it is helpful.

1090
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: It's big time. But you know, I got up one

1091
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 1: day's skip and I just said, I've eaten enough. You know,

1092
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: the way we've been brought up and Vega. I just

1093
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: looked at the goddamn food. It was plates and piles

1094
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: of shit, and I said to myself, I've fucking eaten enough.

1095
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: And from that dayay forward, I don't need messages we

1096
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: see aha eat.

1097
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, but look at you Paul, Like if you look

1098
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 3: at pictures of Paul in the beginning of his career,

1099
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I remember because you were You were

1100
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 3: a little chubby when you.

1101
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: Were a teenage, very chubby when I was a teenager.

1102
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 3: From the time from the time he became a star,

1103
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 3: and then you look ten years later in his career,

1104
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 3: he looks exactly the same. Ten years later when he's forty,

1105
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 3: he looks the same. And he's always been fit, and

1106
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 3: that's he's just maintained that. It's a very consistent thing

1107
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 3: for him.

1108
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: But how can we work. You look at a lot

1109
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: of guys we know Richard who can't sing anymore because

1110
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 1: they've abused themselves. Yeah, and when you start like I did,

1111
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 1: and you've been aware of it, you know what those

1112
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: guys in Vegas they're drinking and smoking and that's at noon.

1113
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you just.

1114
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: Make a decision. I can't sing, I can't go on stage,

1115
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,919
Speaker 1: I can't write if I'm buzzed out or whacked out.

1116
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: And some say or even overweight, I can't go on

1117
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: stage to overweight can't do it.

1118
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's remarkable. Yeah, I have guys that I play

1119
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,760
Speaker 7: golf with and they're hammered and they play good golf,

1120
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 7: and it's like, are you kidding me? I mean, if

1121
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 7: I have a sip of bourbon and I try to

1122
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 7: play golf, I can't. I can't perform, But they can't perform.

1123
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 7: Here's the trick. They can't perform without it. Yeah, you

1124
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 7: know they need that in order to go out.

1125
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 3: I think skip that there's a bow. There's a happy

1126
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 3: medium there for me. I never ever drank. I was

1127
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 3: not a drinker at all, and I never ever did

1128
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 3: any drug until I was fifty and then I took

1129
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 3: a little hit of something, a little little puff of something.

1130
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 3: I never smoked a cigarette in my life to this day. Yeah,

1131
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 3: and I'm not a drug guy at all. But Daisy

1132
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,479
Speaker 3: introduced me to Martinis to buy a Martinis and it's

1133
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 3: just clean and so it's something that I found. If

1134
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 3: I have a few SIPs of a martini before I

1135
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 3: go on stage, and I don't know what it is

1136
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 3: because I don't get nervous. I'm sure Paul's is saying, wait,

1137
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 3: we get excited. I can't wait to get out there

1138
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 3: every night. I'm never nervous. It's not nerves, but there's

1139
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 3: something about the sort of like extra little tiny bit

1140
00:56:56,160 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 3: of relaxed that I think works for me and gott

1141
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 3: to be coincidence because I never really had I never

1142
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 3: had much problem with my voice prior. But when I

1143
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 3: say this, in the last eleven years that I started

1144
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 3: like having a little sibit of Martini on stage, or

1145
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 3: I have lost my voice once like I could sing.

1146
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 3: I wake up at seven o'clock in the morning and

1147
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 3: I could do two hours. My voice is just so

1148
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 3: like I'm knocking everything that he can knock because you

1149
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 3: don't want to jinx it, but my voice is just

1150
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 3: so there for me.

1151
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: Are you doing a scales or warm up before you'd

1152
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: go on?

1153
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 5: Richard?

1154
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 3: Never? Never, never warm up?

1155
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: See I do about twenty minutes. And I got a

1156
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: steam kettle because steam takes the cords and shrinks.

1157
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, I try to do that in my hotel room.

1158
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: Very important.

1159
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 7: You know, my son is vegan. He wanted me to

1160
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 7: ask you a few and days. You're vegan at this point.

1161
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 3: We're mostly vegan, but we're not one hundred percent vegan anymore.

1162
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 3: We've introduced a little bit of dairy and you know,

1163
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 3: so no chicken or fish or meat of any kind

1164
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 3: but a little bit of dairy and I feel a

1165
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 3: little better from it. But it's I'd say that we're

1166
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 3: eighty percent Degan, you know at this point.

1167
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 7: So when you were talking about the MTV days, did

1168
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 7: you ever cross paths with Bob Pittman, John Sykes any

1169
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 7: of those pictures? Sure, because this platform that we're on

1170
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 7: is iHeart and that was the chairman and CEO is

1171
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 7: Bob Pittman.

1172
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. I met John also when he was at A

1173
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 3: and M right with an idiot A and M.

1174
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's a very close friend of mine. He's just yeah,

1175
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 7: a wonderful, wonderful Yeman.

1176
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 3: Love him, give me my best.

1177
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: But if our ratings drop, there's no friendship there.

1178
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 3: You know that exactly.

1179
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: Right out the window.

1180
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 7: You'll find this on Spotify.

1181
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 3: Well, you know, speaking of Vegan Skip, I don't know

1182
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 3: if you if you knew or know Tom Freston from

1183
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 3: those days, but I know very well his ex wife, Kathy,

1184
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 3: who's a big animal rights Activistygan. She's she's a power

1185
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 3: of ours and really wonderful person, really really lovely lady.

1186
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 7: And I feel the same about Tom.

1187
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 3: He is terrific Yeah, he's alway. It's been a gentleman

1188
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 3: to me today, you.

1189
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: Know, speaking of pals Skippy. Probably in the late fifties,

1190
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: I fell in love, you know, musically with a guy

1191
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: that became just an amazing influence in my life and

1192
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: an idol. And Richard and I through the years were

1193
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: very very close to him, and he was uniquely unlike

1194
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: any other artist composer that we've seen in the music industry.

1195
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: And Richard got very close to him near the end.

1196
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: And I've spoken to you about him, Richard. But Bert

1197
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: Bacharach was a good buddy of ours. And Richard has

1198
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: so many wonderful moments he had spent with this amazing talent.

1199
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: And you know, guys like us, Richard and I, we

1200
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: like to keep the names alive of those that were

1201
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: such huge influences in our lives. But tell us about

1202
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: Burt Bacharak who you and I loved and you were

1203
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: right down to the end with Burt, and so many

1204
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: of our listeners I know are totally into Burt.

1205
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and again I'll talk about him. I talk

1206
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 3: about him all the time because I don't want anybody

1207
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 3: to forget. I have the same thing with Luther Bert

1208
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 3: I was obviously, you know, like everybody else. I mean,

1209
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 3: he wrote, he was part of the American Songbook. I mean,

1210
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 3: he was just such an incredible composer. I ended up

1211
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 3: when I was doing before I had a record deal

1212
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 3: in those days when I met Paul, and I was

1213
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 3: making a living as a session singer and I played

1214
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 3: keyboards or sometimes on records. I got a call. Kenny

1215
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 3: Rogers had done a song with Bert for a movie

1216
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 3: of Burt Lancaster Kirk Douglas movie, and Bert wrote the

1217
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 3: music for the movie and wrote the theme song and

1218
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 3: Kenny recorded it. And I had already worked with Kenny

1219
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 3: for a while, so Kenny said, get that kid, Richard Marks,

1220
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 3: and you're to sing all the harmonies. He's quick, he's easy.

1221
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 7: You'll like it.

1222
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 3: So I went into the studio with Bert and he

1223
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 3: produced a session and it was just me singing harmonies,

1224
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 3: and we spent about an hour and a half doing

1225
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 3: vocals on this Kenny Rogers, and it was such a pleasure.

1226
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 3: I was nervous, obviously because it was Burt, but he

1227
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 3: was just so kind and such a pro and it

1228
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 3: went easy. It was easy. And then I ran into

1229
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 3: him a few months later at some event and he

1230
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 3: was so complimentary about me in front of me to somebody.

1231
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 3: He said, I just worked with this kid. He was

1232
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 3: such a pro. Like made me so happy to hear

1233
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 3: him say that in front of me. And then that

1234
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:23,439
Speaker 3: was it. I never I never ran into him again,

1235
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 3: but I always had this dream of writing a song

1236
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 3: with him, and I would mention it every once in a while,

1237
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 3: would say, you know, that's really the person who's left

1238
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 3: on my list is Burt. And when I started dating Daisy,

1239
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 3: you know those early days of dating, you ask all

1240
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 3: those questions like what's your favorite city you've been to,

1241
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 3: what's your favorite color, what's your favorite cuisine, blah blah,

1242
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 3: and I said one day we were sitting I said,

1243
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 3: what what music do you like the most? And without

1244
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 3: missing a beat, she turned to me she goes, I

1245
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 3: love Burt background, and I remember thinking, oh, for fox Ske,

1246
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 3: I have to marry her now. It was not what

1247
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 3: I was expecting. You know, she's this sort of spicy Latin.

1248
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 3: She loves you know, Latin music, and she loves hip

1249
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 3: hop and she loves you know, but she the first

1250
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 3: thing she say is Burt backgrack. Well, flash forwarding a

1251
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 3: year After that conversation with Daisy, we go on sump

1252
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 3: trip to Cabo. I remember was Cabo and we're walking

1253
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 3: through the airport and I'd hear there's a bird song

1254
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 3: playing San Jose or walk on by, And whenever there

1255
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 3: was a bird song would come on, Daisy and I

1256
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 3: would be we would be aware of it and we

1257
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 3: would dance. And because we just our mutual love of Bert, right,

1258
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 3: so I said, oh, it's Bert, and I said, God,

1259
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 3: I'd love to write with him. And she turned to

1260
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 3: me very deliberately, she stopped. She said, Richard, make it happen.

1261
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 3: Just make it happen. You know what to do, Just

1262
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 3: make it happen. If you want it that bad, just

1263
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 3: make it happen. And I was like, oh my god,

1264
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 3: you're right. We get to the hotel, I said, give

1265
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 3: me a few minutes before I changed for the beach,

1266
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 3: and I got on an email and I thought, who

1267
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 3: do want to know? Who knows somebody? And I figured

1268
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 3: it out. I did the trail and I sent an email,

1269
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 3: and I sent email and the next day I got

1270
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 3: an email back saying Bert would love to write a

1271
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 3: song with you. Holy shit. So I mean at the time,

1272
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 3: and he was just turning ninety, I think, and he

1273
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 3: was on tour in Europe, and so it was like, well,

1274
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 3: it's going to be a couple months because he's doing

1275
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 3: this and he's doing that. But I ended up going

1276
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 3: to his house and we wrote this song over a

1277
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 3: couple of days called Always. That is one of my

1278
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 3: favorite things I've ever been a part of. And the

1279
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 3: experience of writing with him and spending time with him

1280
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 3: was incredible. But the friendship that formed out of that

1281
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 3: where we started just talking and we would call each

1282
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 3: other on the phone. We texted a lot. I you know,

1283
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 3: he had a very small birthday dinner of his last birthday,

1284
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Speaker 3: and I'm very honored that Daisy and I were there

1285
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 3: at this table with him, and he and I became

1286
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 3: like pals, real pals, I'd say, just because we're talking

1287
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 3: about it, and Paul, you'll you'll understand why I feel

1288
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 3: the need to say this, But to admire someone that

1289
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 3: much for so long and have this dream of working

1290
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 3: with them, but never thinking about what might transpire personally,

1291
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 3: to think that the last two and a half years

1292
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 3: of his life, every time I talked to him on

1293
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 3: the phone, when we hung up, we said, I love

1294
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 3: you to each other. That's how close we became. And

1295
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 3: I've saved every voice message he's left me. I have

1296
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 3: every text he ever sent me, every email. He became

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01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 3: not really a father figure but a mentor at a

1298
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 3: time when I didn't think that was possible for me

1299
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 3: at my age. And he was just so wonderful. And

1300
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 3: we all knew that, you know, Paul, we knew that

1301
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 3: he was getting he was getting so frail. He never

1302
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 3: ever he was sharp, mentally sharp, one hundred percent to

1303
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 3: the end, but he was. He was getting so frail

1304
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 3: that it wasn't a shock when when I got the call,

1305
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:02,919
Speaker 3: but it fucking killed me. And I miss him all

1306
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 3: the time. I think about him all the time.

1307
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 7: So what's next for Richard Marks? What's the next chapter

1308
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 7: for you?

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01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 3: I'm going to go and do a long hike in

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01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 3: the hills to stay fit. What's next for me? It's

1311
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 3: a couple of things, you know. I'm very happy to

1312
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 3: say that I'm touring like a maniac. You know, at

1313
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 3: a time when people are seemingly like struggling to fill

1314
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 3: seats and canceling tours, and I'm doing two tours at once.

1315
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 3: I'm doing my own shows, And I'm also doing this

1316
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 3: tour with Rick Springfield, who's an old friend in mine,

1317
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 3: where we instead of it being I do, is say

1318
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 3: he does is that we do the whole show together

1319
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 3: and it's two acoustic guitars and we just take turns

1320
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 3: backing each other up on our hits and it's just

1321
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 3: nothing but our hits for two hours and it's a

1322
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 3: fun show and it's really connected with people. They keep

1323
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 3: adding shows for that show, as well as my own

1324
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 3: tour to Australia in November, Singapore and September. I'm touring

1325
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 3: all over the world. New album next year that I'm

1326
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 3: still in the midst of recording because I never want

1327
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 3: to stop making new music. I think it's really important.

1328
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 3: Paul knows this. You got to you gotta keep writing

1329
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 3: and we're going to do something.

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01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 7: Skip.

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01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna top my buddy and we're going to do something.

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01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, we are for sure. Yeah, I think it's a

1333
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 3: no brainer. I mean, just for the fun of it.

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01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 1: I got some ideas.

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01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I'm in. I mean I would love for

1336
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 3: us and do stuff together.

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01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 7: You got you gotta workaholic there that that just said that.

1338
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 7: It's boy, Paul just loves to work.

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01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 3: He's yeah, but that's why he's still at the top

1340
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 3: of his game. That's why he's still you know, you

1341
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 3: listen to this guy now, you would think that maybe

1342
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 3: there's a little bit of like loss of the vocal

1343
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 3: bay or the presence. It's like he's just like he's

1344
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 3: just at the top of his fucking craft. It's so

1345
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 3: inspiring he is.

1346
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 7: He's timeless.

1347
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 3: Hey, he's so handsome.

1348
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 7: Look at that. So, speaking of time, we took a

1349
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 7: lot of your time and really appreciate your doing this.

1350
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 3: It was time well spent, gentlemen. I enjoyed it very.

1351
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 1: Much, as as Daisy would say, time well.

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01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 7: Spent, very well spent.

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01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: Richard will be real, really appreciated man, my pleasure. I'm

1354
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 1: glad that my friend here, the other Richard, got to

1355
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: rap with you a little bit and give our love

1356
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: to Daisy.

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01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 3: And Anton Michelle.

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01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 1: I'll see you real soon and probably dinner in a

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01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. You got it, I said, Skip, he

1360
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 1: goes out when he says, oh, I go to a cause,

1361
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 1: he goes out sold out. That people fucking freak out.

1362
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I hear, because we all know

1363
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 1: what we're each doing in the business, and he walks

1364
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 1: out with his guitar no overhead. Right now I'm slepping

1365
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 1: fifteen people and he kills it everybody right, which you'll

1366
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: love to hear because there's so many acts today skips.

1367
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 1: As he said, it's scary today because the consumer really

1368
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 1: knows what they want and only what they want. People

1369
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: that you think would do the business set aside, Taylor Swift,

1370
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: it's just not happening. They don't want to sit up

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01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 1: in the back, they want to sit in expensive seats,

1372
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: and they're just not showing up for a vast array

1373
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: of people, and it's frightening. But you know, Rich Scott

1374
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: his core audience. I'm blessed with a core audience. We're

1375
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: very lucky and as long as we can do that,

1376
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: we do it, you know.

1377
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 3: But you know, we just what you just touched on,

1378
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 3: and you know this is something that not to mention

1379
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:19,759
Speaker 3: your art rival, Rod Stewart, but one of the things

1380
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 3: that you have in common with him is that whenever

1381
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 3: I'm hanging out with Rod and whenever I'm hanging out

1382
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 3: with you, I'm always aware that we're always talking about gratitude.

1383
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 3: We're always we always mentioned how lucky we are in

1384
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 3: our lives, and a lot of people need to take

1385
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 3: a breath and take a minute and be grateful because

1386
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 3: think about you know, we all look around at the

1387
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 3: misfortune that befalls so many people, and we are we

1388
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 3: are really really lucky.

1389
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 1: Well, I live with I'm prepared to go back and

1390
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 1: live in Ottawa, Canada and whatever else.

1391
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll come visit you.

1392
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:58,520
Speaker 1: No, seriously, I prepared.

1393
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 3: In the wizard now, not in the winter.

1394
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,679
Speaker 1: Fuck that that's why I left.

1395
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 3: Friends. Don't ask friends to come to Autawa in the winter. Listen.

1396
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 1: I was working on my father's restaurant. He wanted me

1397
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 1: to run a restaurant, so you know how quickly and

1398
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 1: went to music and I'd sit at home. Back in

1399
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 1: those days, you couldn't open a window. He had three

1400
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: little holes, and I used to poke my pencils through

1401
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 1: the hole just to look outside at sixteen feet of

1402
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 1: snow outside that I said, if I don't get out

1403
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 1: of here by sixteen I'm want to kill myself because

1404
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: you know, you're just inundated. The first time I get out,

1405
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 1: Richie was you don't know. But I started adding the

1406
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 1: paper that said if you collected Campbell's Soup Rappers. You'd

1407
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: win a trip to New York. And every record I

1408
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 1: was playing was recorded in New York.

1409
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 4: You know.

1410
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 1: It was only a couple of places. And I say, shit,

1411
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 1: I got to get to New York. But we couldn't

1412
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 1: afford it, you know. So I went and got a

1413
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 1: job at ig Fusta's and I write down the name

1414
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 1: all these women buying the soup cans, and I rip

1415
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 1: off what I could in the back warehouse. Then I'd

1416
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 1: go to the women and get the soup cads, tear

1417
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 1: off the wrappers, right my name, put it at a box.

1418
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 1: What about two months later I won the contest.

1419
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 3: Oh my god, with forty other.

1420
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 1: Kids across Canada. I was like fifteen fourteen, and I'm

1421
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 1: now on a train schlepping down to New York City

1422
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,719
Speaker 1: with a fucking sandwich, a ham sandwich that was lunch.

1423
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 1: And I get there and they pook me at the

1424
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 1: Sloanhouse and I'd never seen the high rise in my life.

1425
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 1: You know, oto, what dann it is like you right?

1426
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 1: And I said, man, one day I got to come

1427
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: back to this place. And it was a year later

1428
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,639
Speaker 1: that I bought a hundred bucks and I went back

1429
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 1: and to the word you use got lucky with Diana

1430
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:46,719
Speaker 1: Don Costa.

1431
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:50,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, you wrote your own destiny, you wrote your way out.

1432
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 1: I had no shot if I wasn't writing at you. Now,

1433
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:57,680
Speaker 1: what it is the longevity to you? Answered me. If

1434
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't a writer, I'd be still peeling fucking potatoes

1435
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 1: in the back of a restaurant. I mean, you know,

1436
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 1: I played Diana for Chuck Berry a broken backstage when

1437
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: he was in town, and he was an idol like

1438
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 1: all of us, and I went and sang Diana to him.

1439
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 1: He said, the worst song I've ever hearded back to school. Well,

1440
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 1: that was my first rejection Chuck Berry. Right, But if

1441
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:22,679
Speaker 1: it wasn't for that, there's no way I'd have a career.

1442
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 1: Nobody's going to write for me in the fifties.

1443
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1444
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 3: But that's another thing that you and I have in common,

1445
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 3: which is that in our careers as artists, when there

1446
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 3: have been periods of like we're not getting loved at radio,

1447
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:38,680
Speaker 3: or we're having up a down period as artists, we

1448
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 3: just said, Okay, I'm gonna write songs for in Sync

1449
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 3: and Luther Vandross and Keith Thurban and this one and

1450
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 3: that one and you did the same thing. It's what

1451
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 3: sustains an overall career. And then when you can come

1452
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 3: back out and you got on stage and you do

1453
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 3: all the hits that you had, but then you do

1454
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 3: the hits you wrote for other people. That's a special thing.

1455
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 3: I know that every night when I do the songs

1456
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 3: that I wrote where hits for other people, my audience

1457
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 3: goes crazy. They didn't know, they don't read liner notes.

1458
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 3: They're like, holy shit, it's a really great thing.

1459
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 1: So true. Man was so blessed to be the writer. Yeah,

1460
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 1: we are the gravatas of being the writer. It's so important.

1461
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 1: It's a difference in a lot of careers, I must

1462
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 1: tell you. Even though the world I came from, guys,

1463
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 1: it was the brill building and writers were writing for

1464
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 1: all the artists, not a lot of the artists. When

1465
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 1: I first met the Beatles, they weren't writing. They'd sit

1466
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 1: with me over in England. They came to my show

1467
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 1: they say, you know, we walk to be like you.

1468
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: You know, you write your old songs. You produced you

1469
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 1: because they were a cover band.

1470
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, they did all Chuck Berry and everything.

1471
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,839
Speaker 1: They were ripping him off. They sat in that studio

1472
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 1: and turned it out. Man, they turned it out some

1473
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,759
Speaker 1: great stuff. Well you keep doing the great stuff.

1474
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 5: Man.

1475
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:47,600
Speaker 1: I love you.

1476
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 3: I love you to your pal and.

1477
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:52,639
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you showed and Skip and I love

1478
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 1: to have you on here.

1479
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 3: It was a real pleasure, guys. I really enjoyed it.

1480
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.

1481
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 7: Thanks Uchue.

1482
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 3: Doc sitting by Skip for sure. See it.

1483
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 1: Our Way with Paul Anka and Skip Bronson is a

1484
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio.

1485
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:17,919
Speaker 2: The show's executive producer is Jordan Runtogg, with supervising producer

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01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:19,719
Speaker 2: and editor Marcy Depina.

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01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:24,679
Speaker 1: It was engineered by Todd Carlin and Graham Gibson, mixed

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01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:27,120
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01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,400
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01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:38,680
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