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Speaker 1: On today's episode, it's preview time. Let's talk the twenty

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the solid verbal. I'll that for me. I'm

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Speaker 2: a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 2: I want to be happy. You want to be happy

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Speaker 1: Is that?

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Speaker 2: Whoo whoom? And Dan and Tye.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to these solid rubber boys and girls. My

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Speaker 1: name is ty Hildenbrandt, joining me as always over there

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Speaker 1: my beloved co host in the Midwest, Chicago Land. Dan Rubinstein, Sir,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to preview season.

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Speaker 2: We made it. We did make it. And starting at

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Speaker 2: the top, Tie, as we all know, starting at the

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Speaker 2: top of college football, the top of mind of college football.

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Speaker 2: College football goes through the West Coast, as we've all

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Speaker 2: come to understand, and celebrates the true capital of the

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Speaker 2: sports that will carry the torch for generations to come. Tie.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying this to not date myself, Tie, because there's

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Speaker 2: stuff that's just universal about the sport, and that is

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Speaker 2: not just the survival but the thriving of that West

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Speaker 2: Coast college football Tie. So we gotta get it in quickly.

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Speaker 1: We got to get it in we're going to Big

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Speaker 1: as soon to be Big ten Country starting in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four, which is one of the storylines I'm sure

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Speaker 1: we will outline here as we go through.

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Speaker 2: As you mentioned, yeah, it's the PAC twelve. We're going

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Speaker 2: to talk through all things.

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Speaker 1: PAC twelve gonna take a little bit of a different

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Speaker 1: spin on our previews this year. We'll get to that

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Speaker 2: Those to follow. Yes, this is win totals over unders

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Speaker 2: to be clear, right, that is correct. Grand Total is

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Speaker 2: the name of the game we've you. As you mentioned,

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Speaker 2: over unders, we go to through the Power five teams

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Speaker 2: and it's a game to see who has the that

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Speaker 2: third eye in the middle of their forehead to predict

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's what third ice are for,

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Speaker 2: to predict the future and who can nail the most

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Speaker 2: over unders. That will all be tallied. As you mentioned

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Speaker 2: at the end of the year.

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Speaker 1: As I said, we're taking a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: Right, that would interesting, That's bizarre.

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Speaker 1: In the past, we've gone through every team, every position group.

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Speaker 1: We've tried to identify strengths and weaknesses, and.

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Speaker 2: To be fair, we might still do that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in the course of our conversation here, I don't

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Speaker 1: think anything we're describing prevents us from doing so. But

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Speaker 1: one of the things that we've come to know and

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Speaker 1: our beautiful Patreon community. Again at for bawlers dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the fine folks on Discord who chose to respond

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Speaker 1: to my question. People just want to know what to

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Speaker 2: Just like anybody who's dating somebody who is engaged or married.

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Speaker 2: If I were to ask you right now, Ty, what

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Speaker 2: is it that you love about Kate? You would probably

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Speaker 2: preview season, but in a way, we are hunting for

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Speaker 1: Fascinating things about the PAC twelve starting right now, Dan,

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Speaker 2: Okay, but number one, number one.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even going to talk about a team. I'm

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Speaker 1: With two teams leaving next year, it's the elephant in

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Speaker 2: Is it an actual matter of is there a team

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Speaker 2: That to me is the issue too, that you know,

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Speaker 2: With who has left in various conferences. Obviously there's questions

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Speaker 1: this really is a melting pot of guys who were

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Speaker 1: either buried on a depth chart elsewhere saw an opportunity

437
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 1: to maybe play at the power five level. Everyone's got

438
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Speaker 1: their own reasons. The transfer portal was teaming with activity

439
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 1: this past offseason, but it stands to reason that Charlie

440
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 1: Kelly's got his work cut out for him to try

441
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Speaker 1: and assemble these guys together.

442
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Speaker 2: I'm not one of.

443
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Speaker 1: These folks who believes that every transfer is going to hit,

444
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 1: even that half of your transfers are going to hit,

445
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 1: that's sort of impossible. But you know, if a sizable

446
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 1: fraction of these guys end up being better than what

447
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 1: Colorado had last year, it's interesting. And I agree with

448
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Speaker 1: what you're saying. Three and nine, how they go three

449
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 1: and nine. If they go three and nine definitely means

450
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Speaker 1: a lot. And whether or not this team is interesting.

451
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Speaker 1: But if they're feisty, if they're feisty, if they're in

452
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Speaker 1: games late, if they're playing the way some teams have

453
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Speaker 1: played for new coaches in the past. I think of

454
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 1: David Randa as an example, or you know, even the

455
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 1: early years of Brian Kelly at Notre Dame. Those teams

456
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,959
Speaker 1: played and they played hard, and they were in it

457
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 1: to win it until the very end, even if more

458
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: often than not they come up short. I think that's

459
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Speaker 1: where Colorado has a chance to be interesting. Not to

460
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: make a Bowl, but just to push teams right and

461
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: late in the season when they've got a game, you know,

462
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: on the road at Utah, late in the season, when

463
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: like Arizona Oregon State come to town. I'm curious to see

464
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Speaker 1: what form this Colorado Buffalo's team takes on. I don't

465
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Speaker 1: know if they're going to be good enough by then

466
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Speaker 1: to get a win here or there. But nonetheless, all

467
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Speaker 1: of these guys at that point should be gelling and

468
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Speaker 1: hopefully more on the same page than I presume they

469
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Speaker 1: are now.

470
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's look, there's the force of personality of

471
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Speaker 2: Deon Sanders that if things go wrong, does he have

472
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Speaker 2: the ability has he quickly built a culture to write

473
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Speaker 2: the ship in three days if necessary? We'll be fascinating

474
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 2: to watch, But on the field, I'll I'll echo both

475
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 2: of our statements. Is all I'm going to be watching

476
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 2: is the offensive and defensive lines early on. That's all

477
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 2: I care about to see if there is if there's fight,

478
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 2: if there's talent, if there's depth over the course of

479
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Speaker 2: the season. It's true of every team, but especially with

480
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 2: a team overhauling as much as Colorado has. That to

481
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 2: me is just crazy fascinating.

482
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Speaker 1: What is the most fascinating thing about Oregon in twenty

483
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Speaker 1: twenty three?

484
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Speaker 2: Okay, so good transition because it's very similar to what

485
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 2: we talked about with Colorado, except on a much higher

486
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 2: level because they won ten total games. They went nine

487
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: to three during the regular season last year. But I

488
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 2: have it written down here because I am terrible with words,

489
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 2: tie and I'm pre apologizing. Eugene hostile, hostility, hostile as

490
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 2: in a place to stay for foreigners. Because Oregon and

491
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Speaker 2: Dan Lanning brought in a ton of new faces. They

492
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Speaker 2: signed a big recruiting class I think it was pushing

493
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: around thirty guys, and then added a ton from the

494
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: portal with a focus on defense. I would say at

495
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 2: all three levels. And so what ultimately took Oregon down

496
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 2: last year was well not belonging on the same field

497
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 2: as Georgia till in the season and then bow Nix

498
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 2: gets hurt laid against Washington. But that was a game

499
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 2: in which the defense really struggled defending what Michael Penix

500
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: was able to do in terms of extending the field

501
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 2: with his arm and was just at a terrific day.

502
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 2: Washington ran the ball reasonably well. They couldn't get to

503
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,239
Speaker 2: Michael Pennix though, that was the big thing. Even when

504
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 2: they actually broke, you know, broke tackles or whatever, not

505
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 2: broke tackles, but were able to get past tackles or

506
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 2: to penetrate the offensive line. Michael Penix was talented enough

507
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 2: to evade. And so Oregon had I think the single

508
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 2: worst year in terms of pressures and sacks in decades.

509
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 2: And that wasn't the case just earlier because Cavon Thibadeaux

510
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 2: existed in green and yellow, black and white. And so

511
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: what Oregon did is they go after Jordan Birch from

512
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: South Carolina, former five star, who I think was scratching

513
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: the surface of his ceiling. I think maybe there was

514
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 2: some disappointment with him in Columbia. They sign a class

515
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: with I believe ten defensive linemen in it, many of

516
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,719
Speaker 2: whom were blue chip. They get just Justin Jacobs, excuse

517
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: me from Iowa at linebacker who showed a lot of promise.

518
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 2: They overhauled their secondary while losing their best corner in

519
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: Christian Gonzales. And so they bring in a safety from

520
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 2: Old miss a safety a younger brother of an Oregon player,

521
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 2: safety from Fresno State. They bring in a corner from Alabama.

522
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 2: And so the question now is there are a number

523
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 2: of people who are going to be depended upon to

524
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: generate more pressure, to be great in coverage, to tackle

525
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 2: in the open field, who were not on this team

526
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 2: last year. And so with the expectation of where the

527
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 2: offense should be and the Washington game being in Seattle

528
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 2: hosting USC, and whatever happens, you're going to have to

529
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 2: score a ton of points to beat USC and get

530
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 2: a stop here and there, hopefully against what should be

531
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Speaker 2: a supercharged USC offense. That is there enough on this

532
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 2: defense over the course of the season, and they built

533
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: up depth and there's talent there for sure. I think

534
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 2: there's still doubt about Tosh Lupoy as a defensive coordinator

535
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: and play caller. They have a new code defensive coordinator.

536
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 2: They bring in from Tulane, Chris Hampton, who's going to

537
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,959
Speaker 2: coach the safeties and help to organize this defense. Obviously,

538
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: Dan Lanning's calling card is defense. But the new faces,

539
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 2: the new names lasting over the course of twelve games.

540
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: Thankfully no Georgia on the schedule, but you saw it

541
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 2: against Oregon State. They blow that deep lead when Oregon

542
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: State and Damien Martinez on the ground are able to

543
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 2: do whatever they wanted against this Oregon front. Oregon was

544
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: not fitting gaps, They were not tackling, they were gassed.

545
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: They were ready to move on to bowl season. And

546
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 2: so that to me is the difference is are their

547
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 2: dudes to tackle for twelve consecutive games upfront? If so,

548
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 2: Oregon's going to win a ton. Oregon will absolutely win

549
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,479
Speaker 2: a ton. But that's the fascinating thing about Oregon is

550
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 2: you hire Dan Lanning, you pay him to come across

551
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 2: the country, you pay him to recruit the way that

552
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: he has. This has to be a top forty defense.

553
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 2: If Oregon is going to complete its goals, come anywhere

554
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 2: close to it, That to me is incredible. And the

555
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 2: other name along that defensive front, if the pass rush

556
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 2: is everything and was nothing last year? Is Mateo uyang

557
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 2: La lay dj U's little brother flashed in the spring

558
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: game five star prospect on the edge from Southern California

559
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 2: that he in concert with Jordan Birch coming in from

560
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: South Carolina, Brandon Dorrilys, who's been there forever and is

561
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: a very talented defensive lineman. The return of some guys

562
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: who were beat up last year along the defensive line

563
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 2: and adding freshman depth. Is that enough to make this

564
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: Oregon defense look completely refreshed and new? That to me

565
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: is the fascinating question. I think the entire season hinges

566
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 2: on it.

567
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's dangerous to start trying

568
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: to compare the Oregon defense or the way that Dan

569
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: Lanning is trying to build it to what he did

570
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: at Georgia. That's just for sure, that's not fair to

571
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: the guys who were at Oregon. If you're an Oregon fan,

572
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: you got to be pretty excited about the talent that

573
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: he's amassed. I mean, the defensive line has questions, but

574
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: it's super deep and talented. How good can it be?

575
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: We're going to have to reconvene maybe midway through the

576
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: season and talk about any progress that's been made there.

577
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: They certainly stand to upgrade across a couple different positions

578
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: on defense, I mean that would be great. They were

579
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: sixtieth overall in the SP Plus in terms of defense

580
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: last season, and that's not exactly what I think folks

581
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: thought they were getting with Dan Lanning. They've gotten the

582
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: talent part right as a matter of now assembling the

583
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: forces and doing the job on the defensive side. Offensively,

584
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: I'm actually very curious about the offensive line. Yeah, because

585
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: for new starters something like that this coming season. They've

586
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: got a former five star who's going to be along

587
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: the line. They've got a couple transfers that they're bringing,

588
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: and that could obviously help and prevent against any kind

589
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: of drop off. But this is a team that was

590
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: pretty good at rushing the football a year ago. I mean,

591
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: bo Nick's is only one component of it. They should

592
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: have what I think figures to be a pretty dynamic backfield,

593
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: and if that line is not firing on all cylinders,

594
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: that could upset the balance of what I think they're

595
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: trying to do now in a new will Stein offense.

596
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: They have three or four guys who played a considerable

597
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: amount of time last year, but didn't start all the time,

598
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: and then they hit the portal especially hard, so their

599
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: presumed starting left tackle was the number one tackle in

600
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 2: the country. To recruiting Josh Connery. Josh Connery, they bring

601
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: in the right tackle from Rhode Island. He should be

602
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 2: playing a Johnny Cornelius. They bring in a long time

603
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 2: starter from Texas, a long time starter from ECU. They've

604
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 2: recruited well along the offensive line. It's new. I think

605
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 2: it'll take a little bit of time, but as somebody

606
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: who pays attention to Oregon, I'm not crazy concerned given

607
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: the experience, given where the talent level should be. But

608
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 2: they also start over sort of at offensive line coach

609
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: with Adrian klem leaving for the Patriots, and Oregon brings

610
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 2: back a former quality control offensive line, you know, analyst

611
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: type to a leak Terry from the Minnesota Vikings to

612
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: coach the offensive line. So that with a new coordinator

613
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: with bo Nix's history of being inconsistent, but then you

614
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: couple it with what should be a very deep receiving

615
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 2: cores that at a USC transfer. They just they added

616
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 2: a ton oft receiver. They're thinner at tight end than

617
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: I think the Oregon coaches would like. But they go

618
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: four deep at quality, if not very very good running backs.

619
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 2: So I think the defense will be counted on more

620
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: for Oregon to be successful, but the offense has an

621
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: incredibly high ceiling if the line in will Stein new

622
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 2: coordinator come together nicely.

623
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Speaker 1: In the spirit of our game. Grand total, Oregan's over

624
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: under is nine and a half. Would you go over under?

625
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 2: I think over yeah. I think there are two losses

626
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: because of Utah and SC and Washington. Just an Oregon State.

627
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 2: I think there's too much quality and there's too much

628
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: that's up in the air, but at its best, meaning

629
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: the defense comes together nicely. In the offense jels quickly.

630
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: They have Texas Tech early on on the road. I

631
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: think this is an eleven and one team.

632
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: Let me move over to Corvallis, okay, and let me

633
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: tell you what fascinates me about Oregon State. I know

634
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: what you're going to say, because we did compare notes.

635
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:31,239
Speaker 1: Here's what fascinates me. Damian Martinez. Yeah, Damian Martinez might

636
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: be the best running back in the conference. Damian Martinez

637
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: will have a really solid line to run behind. That

638
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: aspect of what I think Jonathan Smith and Oregon State

639
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: want to do this year. Makes what you're about to

640
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: talk about with DJU all the more intriguing.

641
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: So to me, with Oregon State, it's a question of

642
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: because look, they win ten games. They demolished Florida in

643
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 2: a depleted Florida team in the bowl game. They they're

644
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 2: basically not out of games other than I think the

645
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,239
Speaker 2: Utah game. I want to say, all their losses are

646
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: super close. They beat impressive teams, they beat Oregon you know,

647
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 2: the in state rival. That The question to me is

648
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 2: what was the reason for it last year and can

649
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: that carry over now? The reason for it last year

650
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: to me was this was probably the second most complete

651
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 2: team in the conference in that both offense and defense

652
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,719
Speaker 2: were reasons for winning football and USC has the offense,

653
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 2: Oregon has the offense. Utah was balanced, but otherwise it's

654
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 2: just Oregon State in which the defense, especially in that secondary,

655
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: they had corners who were smothering. We saw Caleb Williams

656
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 2: was lost against Oregon State last year. The defensive front

657
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: for Oregon State got after Caleb Williams. And so to me,

658
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 2: the fascinating thing about Oregon State is are they a

659
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: balanced team once again? I say probably not. I think

660
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: the defense is going to take a step back. I

661
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 2: don't think they're going to be a disaster like they

662
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: were before then, But to me, it's going to be

663
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: how much good DJU do we get? We had this

664
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: conversation with Bo Nicks last year ahead of his season

665
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 2: with Oregon It's Jonathan Smith, who I think anybody who's

666
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: watched Oregon State holds an incredibly high regard as a

667
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 2: developer of quarterback talent. As an identifier of offensive scheme

668
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: that fits his talent, it's does he have the ability

669
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 2: to harness the force or rebuild the force in DJU

670
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 2: so that he's confident that he's able to execute that

671
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 2: he learns that he is thriving in an offense in

672
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 2: which he is not asked to run the ball a

673
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: ton or I don't even think he's gonna be throwing

674
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 2: the ball down field a ton. Oregon State develops tight

675
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 2: ends super well, they develop offensive linemen super well, and

676
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: now they have Damian Martinez to lean on. So I

677
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 2: think it's a matter of if Oregon State is going

678
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 2: to be a play action threat on offense because of

679
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 2: Damian Martinez. When DJU rolls out when he keeps the

680
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 2: ball on play action, is he confident in his ability

681
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 2: to hit the tight end curling fourteen yards down the

682
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 2: field or whatever is the timing. There is there gelling

683
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 2: between Jonathan Smith and DJU. If indeed DJU is the starter,

684
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 2: which we assume he is. But look, ben go Branson

685
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: won a bunch of games last year, or was the

686
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 2: quarterback on a team who won. He was not the

687
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: reason they won. He was the reason maybe they didn't lose.

688
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: But that, to me is the fascinating thing that presume

689
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: starter DJU is this fresh start, something that he can

690
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 2: thrive in that he's not going to be in his

691
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: head across the country as the number one overall whatever.

692
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 2: This that he could just go and play straightforward football

693
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 2: on a winning team. And so that to me is

694
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 2: the thing.

695
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: The galaxy brained version of this question is not what

696
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: version of DJU we get at Oregon State. It is

697
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: what was the real reason for the version of DJU we.

698
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 2: Saw at Clemson? Was it the offense?

699
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: Now, if you read any of Dju's comments, he gave

700
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: an interview that I think shed some light on the

701
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: situation at Clemson. He talked about how the system didn't

702
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: really make sense to him how he didn't feel like

703
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: he was being utilized, while how he was hurt for

704
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: a good chunk of the season but didn't really want

705
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: to give in, et cetera, et cetera. There were obviously

706
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: factors with that offense a year ago that didn't seem

707
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: the bode well for him. Clemson, by the way, got

708
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: rid of the old guy and hired Garrett Riley in

709
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: the offseason, So Dabo Sweeney was feeling the heat on

710
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: that front as well. Or is it a DJ you

711
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: thin or is it a DJ you thing? Remember when

712
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: DJ you burst onto the scene, it seemed as if

713
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: he was going to be the air parent that he

714
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,919
Speaker 1: was going to be like, I don't know, the next

715
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: Trevor Larrence, maybe not quite to that extent, but following

716
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: in the footsteps in the way that he did the

717
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: early part of his tenure at Clemson seemed really really

718
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: promising and then suddenly we saw the step back. So

719
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,439
Speaker 1: is it a DJ thing? Is it an offense thing?

720
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: Perhaps this season is going to shed a little bit

721
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: more light on that. I think you're wise to bring

722
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: up the losses on defense, and that for me is

723
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: really the big question the X factor in a sense

724
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: for Oregon State when we did the schedule preview a

725
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: couple of months ago. We can link to that in

726
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: the in the notes here, Oregon State's schedule is not

727
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: necessarily horrible.

728
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 2: It's MSSC. Yeah, it seems very, very workable.

729
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 1: They're over unders eight and a half, which seems to

730
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: point to at least some uncertainty on the defensive side

731
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: with what they're going to get on that side of

732
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: the ball. But this is a good team and provided

733
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: they can build that balance again on offense and not

734
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: take two big a step backwards on defense against ninetieth

735
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: in returning production, I think Oregon State stands to have

736
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: a really good season. And I'm excited to see what

737
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: dj you can can do. I mean, he is probably

738
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: just zooming out across college football. One of the what

739
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: five most interesting storylines to watch overall?

740
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so absolutely it is. Look, it's Dju

741
00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 2: and whoever's coming in nu On defense, because this this

742
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: was maybe the best pass defense in the PAC twelve

743
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 2: last year. Kind of out of nowhere at least to me.

744
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 2: Those corners are incredible and those corners are gone. Where

745
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 2: do you want to go? Next, I think we go

746
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 2: with USC here just because we've mentioned them already so

747
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: many times, and you have the returning Heisman winner and

748
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 2: the final season for USC out West in the PAC twelve.

749
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:32,439
Speaker 2: So I ask you, on a team stacked with fascinating storylines,

750
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: which was the item that rose to the top for you?

751
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean USC. The item that rises to the

752
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: top for me is Cale Williams against his own defense,

753
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: which is really going to be the storyline.

754
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: It's gonna be the storyline.

755
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: It's the point of fascination with USC that I think

756
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: we need to talk about it. For being honest here

757
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: the other aspect, I'm not going to hit the ding

758
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: for this that I find interesting about USC, and it's

759
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: always interesting when any team kind of gets to this level.

760
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 2: But we always joke about.

761
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: The US Sea hype train and Texas as a hype train,

762
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: and Notre Dame in Michigan and Ohio. Everybody's got their

763
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: own hype train, but the USC hype train in particular

764
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: is one that we've had a lot of fun with.

765
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 1: It used to be like the Polar Express, where only

766
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: the true believers could actually see it.

767
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 2: This year, it's actually a thing.

768
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: Sure for those of us on Earth one over here,

769
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: of trying to live in reality. It's actually a thing

770
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: because of Kale Billiams. Kle Williams needs no introduction. Won

771
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: the Heisman, fifty two total touchdowns, forty five hundred passing yards,

772
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: presumably the top pick in the twenty twenty four NFL Draft.

773
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: He's going to have pinball numbers in year three under

774
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: the Lincoln Riley system.

775
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 2: We already know this.

776
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: The supporting cast around him is also comically loaded, but

777
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: to an extent, and Bill Connolly mentioned this his words,

778
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: not mine, to an extent, the supporting cast kind of

779
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: doesn't even matter because it's kalleboyam wow. Yeah, it's a

780
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: Kale billiam show. It's whatever he does. That's what USC does.

781
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: The sub point here that I'm very curious in, just

782
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: as a bit of an aside, is the offensive line

783
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: losing a couple of all Americans. USC had trouble protecting

784
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: Cable Williams last season. And though it could be highly

785
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: entertaining if he's constantly on the run, because we know

786
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 1: he thrives in that type of setting, it also seems

787
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 1: like that could be detrimental, not just to his health,

788
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: but the overall project right here at USC if they're

789
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: not able to keep him upright and protected so that

790
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: he can make plays more comfortably. But all that being said,

791
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: we know what he's going to do generally speaking. And

792
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: why I am so interested in that contrast is because

793
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: the schedule is difficult in its own right. When we

794
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: talked about the schedule a few months back, we highlighted

795
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: a tough stretch of games the Fedichini Alfredo in October

796
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: and November to USC. If they can get marginally better,

797
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: how much better will the team be?

798
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: Only better?

799
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't need to be the eighty five Bears

800
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: out there, Dan, They just need to be a little

801
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 1: bit better.

802
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: Will they be better? I don't know. I think no,

803
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 2: come on, come on, none of this. I don't know stuff,

804
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 2: Come on, plant some flags. I think they will be better.

805
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: Okay, I think they will be better, But I think

806
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: the contrast, because Kale Williams is so good, will never

807
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 1: be on better display. And last season we didn't really

808
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: know what we were signing up for with Lincoln Riley

809
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: and USC and all these transfers. There was an unprecedented

810
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: amount of roster turn over there too, right, And I

811
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: think it turned out pretty well. The defense still a problem,

812
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: but this season, now knowing what we've got to work with,

813
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: what Lincoln Riley tried to do was boost the defense

814
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: with transfers. They were very aggressive in the portally. It'd

815
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: something like seven transfers come in from Power five rosters

816
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: to try and plug the gaps and beef up the

817
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: defensive line. Anthony Lucas, a big name comes over from Texas.

818
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 1: A and M Bear Alexander was a really big get

819
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: for the Trojans. And the transfer portal comes over from

820
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: Georgia pretty late in the cycle. A lot of hushed

821
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: revered tones about Bear Alexander. You know, could he be

822
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: the behemoth that USC needs in the middle to eat

823
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: up space and to go to the next level with

824
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 1: this thing? And the Bear helps, but I can assure

825
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: you that it help a lot more if this unit

826
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 1: weren't one hundred and twenty third in tackle success rate

827
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: last season. Is this a coaching problem or is this

828
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 1: a talent problem. I think we've got to the point

829
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: now with USC on defense where we can root out talent.

830
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: Like if they don't tackle this year, it's probably a

831
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: coaching thing.

832
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 2: I think it can be both.

833
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: Either the guys stink and everybody missed on them in

834
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: the recruiting rankings and otherwise, or or it's a scheme

835
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: or a coaching thing where they're not teaching fundamentals, not

836
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: putting them in a position to succeed. That contrast to me,

837
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: between the Heisman Trophy winning quarterback and the defense that

838
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: just needs to be a little bit better, which is

839
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: really the broken record story for Lincoln Riley everywhere he's

840
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: been just marginally better makes USC potentially a playoff contender.

841
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,919
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I truly buy that, but that's where

842
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: we're at.

843
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: We're both guilty of it. Where like a team is

844
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: catastrophically bad at something and they're like just be okay,

845
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: Like well, it might be very hard for them to

846
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: be okay. They might not have the guys to be

847
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 2: okay USC. As you mentioned. Look, I think Mason Cobb

848
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 2: is another valuable addition in the linebacking corp from Oklahoma State.

849
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 2: I think they're going to have more good guys on defense.

850
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: I think the issue is, well, I think it's still

851
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 2: going to be depth along in that front seven. They

852
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: haven't recruited like they want to field a terrific Both

853
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: of the portal and in high school, they haven't recruited

854
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: like they want a top forty defense. And employing Alex

855
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 2: Scrinch is to employ a defensive coordinator who add his

856
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 2: best builds a defense around speed and shifts and confusing

857
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 2: quarterbacks and forcing turnovers. Admirable things. They're great. But if

858
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: you're not covering fumbles, if every fumble isn't bouncing your

859
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: way like it did for like ten of the twelve

860
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: weeks last week last year, excuse me, and you are

861
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 2: not intercepting quarterbacks at will to change the complexion of

862
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: the game. Again, it's great. It's a positive thing. Don't

863
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 2: get me wrong. If you are able to feel the

864
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 2: defense that confuses and turns over quarterbacks all the time,

865
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 2: you're doing something right. They finished first on offense in

866
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 2: avoiding three and outs nationally. They were the number one

867
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 2: offense at avoiding three and outs. On defense in terms

868
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 2: of an ability to get off the field and force

869
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 2: three and outs, they were one hundred and twentieth in

870
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 2: the nation. And so you are spot on that there

871
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: is that that difference of is this a defense capable

872
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 2: of doing the medium things to succeed right to falling

873
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: into the correct zone on a passing down, to getting

874
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: after the quarterback, picking times the correct times to blitz,

875
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: and look, let's oversimplify. Defense is about your guy beating

876
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 2: their guy. USC does not have enough guy capable of

877
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: consistently winning our guy versus your guy battles, and so

878
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 2: here we are. Yeah.

879
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: It was one of the things that I remember in

880
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: the build up to last season when we talked to

881
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: people who were more familiar with USC roster. It was

882
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: one of the points that came up. There's skill, talent, obviously,

883
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 1: Cale Williams is all world everything, one of the highest. Yeah,

884
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: but defensively, who's that guy, who's the guy in the

885
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: middle of that line who's going to eat up space?

886
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 2: Or so maybe Alexander Yeah yeah, maybe it's Bear Alexander

887
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: this year. I don't know.

888
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 1: But they just they didn't have that physicality on defense.

889
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: And that's part of why like Utah, for example, Utah

890
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: would give you sc trouble. Do you want to go

891
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: to Utah next?

892
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 2: Man? I think Dalton Kincaid is still catching past the

893
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: miss USC secondary.

894
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: Here's what fascinates for me about Utah. Okay, why do

895
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: we do this every year?

896
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 2: With Utah? We do the same thing every year with Utah.

897
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: Okay, I think it's fascinating that every year we're always

898
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,240
Speaker 1: skeptical about Utah.

899
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 2: Well, we're dumb. That couldn't explain part of it.

900
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: We are dumb, We're self aware enough at least to

901
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: point out that we're doing it to realize that we're

902
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: doing it again, at least I am. And even with

903
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: all that said, we're still going to remain skeptical. We're

904
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: still going to what the hell is wrong with us?

905
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: Dan Utah is the back to back defending Pac twelve champion.

906
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: Clearly they have done something correctly. I spend some time

907
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: kind of in my own head trying to figure out

908
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: why is it that we get to this place every

909
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: single year? And I think it stemmed from a couple

910
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: of different factors. The first is, at least this season,

911
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 1: the quarterback situation is at least a bit in limbo

912
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: with Cam Rising rehabbing a torn acl heard it in

913
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl. It sounds like he'll be back and

914
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: ready for fall camp. I know we've been very skeptical

915
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 1: of that. He seems very optimistic that he'll be there.

916
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: That being said, he's going to need to be one

917
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: hundred percent out of the gates. Because point two is

918
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: that the schedule starts tough and it stays tough the

919
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: whole way through. They start with Florida and Baylor right

920
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: out of the gates. If Cam Rising is not one

921
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: hundred percent, there's not much wiggle room, especially for some

922
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 1: of the new contributors on this team. You see that reflected,

923
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,439
Speaker 1: I think in the eight and a half over under.

924
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 1: I think that's where it comes from. There is injury concern,

925
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: there is schedule concern. This is a really I joke

926
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: when we did the schedule preview that they're still scheduling

927
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: as if they're trying to get into a Power five conference.

928
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: Who did this to them? Why did they do this?

929
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: This is a tough schedule. Tough man, This is a

930
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: tough schedule. This is why the public right now is

931
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: I think crushing the under and the third point, and

932
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: I think the real reason why people are always skeptical

933
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: about UTAH is stylistically, the utes are very different from

934
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: other teams that we would get quote unquote excited about.

935
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: Right I just talked about USC and Caleb Williams. Obviously

936
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 1: there's some flash there. Last season Caleb Williams had Jordan

937
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: Adison his first round draft pick, Bulittnikov Award winner. Utah

938
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: had what two really good tight.

939
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: Ends they did? Now they have won two good.

940
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: Tight ends a beast of a line on both sides.

941
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: These are not the typical things that I think the

942
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: national conversation is drawn to, but it's obviously worked out

943
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: really well for Kyle Whittingham. This is a ten and

944
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: four team a year ago. Honestly, I think it's the

945
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: style thing with Kyle Whittingham. It's the style points. They

946
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: don't have the flash, they don't have the shock in

947
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: the awe of a USC, or of an Ohio State

948
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: or some of these other schools that we typically would

949
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 1: group together at the top. And for that reason, maybe

950
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: not among Utah fans, but among fans that probably don't

951
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: watch as much Pack twelve football. Let's be honest, this

952
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: is why Utah gets overlooked. I'm gonna try not to

953
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: do it this year. I'm still gonna end up doing

954
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 1: it because I don't fully know how I feel about

955
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: this team. But the facts are that Utah is sixteenth

956
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: in returning production. Most of the too deep from twenty

957
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: to twenty two is back. The bedrock for this team

958
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: is that physical brand of football. It does run counter

959
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: to most of the piers, not as many peers in

960
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 1: the Pac twelve as before, but still on the whole

961
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 1: it's different than many of the other schools that they're

962
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: up against. That part is intact. That mentality is still intact,

963
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: and I think it will probably serve them well as

964
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: it has for the past. However many years now under

965
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 1: Kyle Whittingham. There are some key losses on defense, namely

966
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: Clark Phillips in the secondary, but I still think this

967
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: is the best defensive line linebacking corps maybe even secondary

968
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: in the conference.

969
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 2: There's still in a really, really good.

970
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: Spot on the defensive side of the ball, despite the

971
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: fact that there are some key losses. Part of the

972
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: trouble last year, as you know, was the defense was young.

973
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: It took them a bit to get going, but once

974
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: they did, they were pretty good. And this year it's

975
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: like eleven of fifteen defenders are back from that, so

976
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: I think they'll be pretty good again on defense. I

977
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: think they'll be They'll remain physical on both of the lines.

978
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: Three linemen are back from an offensive line that was

979
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: pretty physical last year. Jaquindin Jackson in the backfield. I

980
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: think the converted quarterback right, he's a load to bring

981
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: down here.

982
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 2: He's ridiculous.

983
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: Two two twenty five is a big deal.

984
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 2: Super fun against SC last year. Yeah, oh yeah.

985
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,959
Speaker 1: Brent Keithy is the remaining tight end who returns from

986
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: injury this season. Seems like he will again be kind

987
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: of the gravitational player around which Andy Ludwig builds the

988
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: offense out wide. I think they've got a chance to

989
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: develop some big play threats. We started to kind of

990
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: see that happen towards the end of the year last year,

991
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: as they were able to generate a little bit more

992
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: in the big play department. Still wasn't great, but I

993
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: think that's an area where they could see some improvement

994
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: this season. So you know, the fascination for me with

995
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: Utah is this is a really good team and due

996
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: to the schedule, or the style, or any number of

997
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: injury concerns, what have you, that's the reason why we're

998
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: again sleeping on the utes. But if you talk to

999
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: me six months from now and we're talking about Utah

1000
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: as a three pet champion of the Pac twelve, none

1001
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: of us should be surprised because they're that level of good.

1002
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: Should they get everything aligned?

1003
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, look, they've been able to win without

1004
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 2: an explosive offense, which is very difficult to do, which

1005
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 2: is to say, they play discipline. They're well coached, and

1006
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 2: they do what they do on offense, running the ball,

1007
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 2: cam rising, making good decisions, utilizing and developing tight ends,

1008
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 2: finding receivers occasionally. They do that better than everybody defends

1009
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 2: it and that's right. You just have to be faster

1010
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 2: than the guy next to you. If you see a bear,

1011
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 2: and so be it. Bear Alexander, a real bear. I

1012
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 2: hate myself for going there. Utah is going to succeed.

1013
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 2: They were young last year. They made a bunch of

1014
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: mistakes early on in the season. Last year they got better.

1015
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 2: Now they lose key guys, but they bring a ton

1016
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 2: back on defense, like you mentioned, and they play defense

1017
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 2: better than basically everybody they play plays offense. Now, can

1018
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 2: they beat teams in multiple ways? No they cannot. No,

1019
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 2: they cannot, but they seem to beat enough teams doing

1020
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 2: it the Utah way where you know, sleeping on them,

1021
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 2: doubting them, wondering if they're going to hay and a

1022
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 2: half games, wondering if they're going to be back in

1023
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 2: the conference championship game kind of seems silly because they

1024
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 2: just seem like they're built to do it more often

1025
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 2: than not.

1026
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're certainly built to beat USC, at least

1027
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: the former version of USC that lacks some of that

1028
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: physicality at the point of attack. If Utah again, go,

1029
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I have no reason to think Utah won't

1030
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: do that again. That's just sort of what Kyle Whitingham does.

1031
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 2: At this point.

1032
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: The book is kind of out on what Utah is

1033
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: as a program, and it's been very successful. So it's

1034
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,720
Speaker 1: just fascinating that we always paint ourselves into this corner

1035
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: with Utah, of not taking them seriously, of maybe being

1036
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: drawn to the bigger star or the flashier offense when

1037
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: they've just been super consistent.

1038
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 2: Can we go to another contender, obvious contender, the one

1039
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 2: obvious contender we haven't mentioned yet. I might be in

1040
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 2: on Washington, Dan, Okay, I'm going to give you your time.

1041
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: I might be in on Washington. Yeah. Let's see how

1042
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 2: I land this plane.

1043
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean here, this is number twelve. By the way,

1044
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: we're going to go way over twelve. Interesting things fascinating

1045
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: things in the PAC twelve, Great old Runners nine and

1046
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,439
Speaker 1: a half for Washington, I'm inclined to go under. There's

1047
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: a lot back on both or over excuse me, there's

1048
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: a lot back on both sides of the ball. The

1049
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: schedule sets up pretty well. It does get dicey in November,

1050
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: but obviously could be a lot worse the Oregon games

1051
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: at home. I just feel like this program is in

1052
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: a really solid place that Kalin de Borr got them

1053
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: to a point of stability very quickly. Obviously there are

1054
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: things that need to be improved. We talked, you know

1055
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: in the preseason about how there are some challenges on

1056
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: the recruiting side that they need to solve, what have you.

1057
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: But it at least given where they're at now with

1058
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: roster construction in twenty twenty three, so much of what

1059
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,919
Speaker 1: made them good last year is back that it's hard

1060
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: to see too much of a drop off, even if

1061
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 1: some position groups aren't as good as they were last year.

1062
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 2: It's buffer, as you mentioned, it's buffered really well until

1063
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 2: the end of the season when they have If I'm

1064
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 2: seeing this correctly, usc Utah and Oregon State in consecutive

1065
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 2: weeks before the Apple Cup. So, if what we say

1066
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 2: is true about you know, lose close before you win

1067
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 2: close before you win big. Washington did a really really

1068
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 2: nice job of winning close last year. And some of

1069
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,959
Speaker 2: those endings of the games they won were a little

1070
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 2: bit weird. We're up in the air. Washington came to play.

1071
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 2: Washington got key stops when it mattered. Most beat against Arizona,

1072
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:50,240
Speaker 2: be against Oregon State, be against Oregon whoever. Washington had

1073
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 2: a season that I'm positive completely overreached what any of

1074
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 2: the most optimistic Washington fans, Washington fans could have expected

1075
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 2: last year. Yeah, so if we're to believe that you

1076
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 2: win close before you win big, and you return what

1077
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 2: Washington returns. My fascinating thing about the Huskies is literally

1078
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 2: a thematic a theme of huskiness. And so it's the

1079
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 2: meady middle, which we generally use to describe schedules, but

1080
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 2: it's the media middle of their offensive line. It's the

1081
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,720
Speaker 2: meady middle of their defensive line. It's the meaty middle

1082
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 2: of the defense in that the linebacking corps, where they

1083
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 2: have some replacing and questionable talent to address, they get

1084
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: healthier along in the secondary, they have crazy good receivers.

1085
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 2: They should be fine at running back. They're not a

1086
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 2: running team, so I don't know how much that actually

1087
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 2: matters that much. And if Michael Pennix is upright and

1088
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 2: the line in front of him keeps him upright as

1089
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,720
Speaker 2: much as it did last year, which was a major,

1090
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 2: major deal with how clean Michael Pennix was able to

1091
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 2: stay in Seattle as compared to Bloomington, they should win

1092
00:55:58,040 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 2: a ton of games. As you mentioned, the schedule's fine.

1093
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 2: I guess it's also the medy middle of the back

1094
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 2: half of the schedule with when they play the tougher

1095
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 2: parts of their schedule. But they were not good on

1096
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 2: defense last year. They were beat up in the secondary.

1097
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 2: They get healthier, they bring in a key corner I

1098
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 2: think from Oklahoma State, Jabar Mohammad, So they should be

1099
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 2: noticeably better on defense, which is not even to mention.

1100
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 2: Brailn Trice and ZTF maybe the best edge rushing duo

1101
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 2: in the conference, if not the country. So they're in

1102
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 2: a good place at a lot of spots on the field. Now,

1103
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 2: the question is spotlights on them offseason, expectations have been

1104
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 2: on them for nine months. Is this a team that

1105
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 2: is mentally there to build upon an unexpectedly successful year.

1106
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 2: It seems like they have the bodies on both sides

1107
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 2: the ball to do so, especially if there is not

1108
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 2: a crazy transition along the inside of this offensive line.

1109
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 2: I just my only concern with Washington is maybe those

1110
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 2: close wins means are close losses this year. Maybe they're

1111
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 2: not fully ready and fully built or fully have the depth.

1112
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 2: That's I think they're one deep is very very good.

1113
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 2: My question is if a left guard goes down, an

1114
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 2: outside linebracker goes down, you know, Asa Turner, whoever goes

1115
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,439
Speaker 2: down in the secondary. Like that was the issue last

1116
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 2: year that as soon as somebody went down, especially on defense,

1117
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 2: you knew exactly who to pick on. And the way

1118
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 2: Oregon marched down the field on them, the way Jaden

1119
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 2: Dolora threw on them, like there were kind of there

1120
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 2: were there were issues along for Washington, especially on defense.

1121
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 2: We were just like, man, I don't know if they're

1122
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 2: correcting this in a year, and so that to me

1123
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 2: would be the concern. Now they won those games and

1124
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 2: we say when you're clunkers. Defense got pushed around against

1125
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 2: Oregon won the game. They were the better team. They

1126
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 2: got Jayden Dolaura again threw all over them. Michael Panics

1127
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 2: was even better. And so that's the issue is are

1128
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 2: those fifty to fifty breaks going to go their way again?

1129
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 2: I hope so because it would benefit the Pac twelve.

1130
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: But that would be the concern because they're They're in

1131
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 2: a good spot and a lot of places on this field.

1132
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 2: So the media medal is for me where Washington is.

1133
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 2: That's where the fascination lies.

1134
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a very interesting point about the one deep

1135
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: The top line starters figure to bring a lot to

1136
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: the table. Yeah, and you know, I'm looking at efficiency

1137
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: numbers now from a defensive standpoint success rate three and

1138
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: out percentage, all of these fat these numbers are terrible.

1139
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they were beat up. They were absolutely beat up.

1140
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 2: There'd be more than more than usual. I would say

1141
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 2: they had some big edjury issues. I don't have.

1142
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: Any great reason to expect that those numbers would stay

1143
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: where they're at. I think there's a pretty good chance

1144
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: that they're going to improve. They're really bad against the pass,

1145
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: especially against the pass last season, and you know that

1146
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: can stem from a variety of factors, but certainly in

1147
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: a conference that, as we mentioned at the top has

1148
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: a really good quarterback play. We're going have to get

1149
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: that in order they if they want to actually get

1150
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: this thing amped up and hit that over nine and

1151
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: a half, Defending the pass is going to be pretty.

1152
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 2: Important, yeah, and also honestly generating some bigger plays with

1153
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 2: Michael Pennix, and I just hesitate to fully buy in.

1154
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 2: I think there's probably more to like about Washington than

1155
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 2: most teams in this conference, But it's how many different

1156
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 2: ways can they win? Now? Are you gonna be able

1157
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 2: to win with air rady short stuff on offense in

1158
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 2: the passing game? Because they did hit bigger plays down

1159
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 2: the field in spots at times, in specific moments, they

1160
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 2: were not a team that I think fully stressed everybody

1161
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 2: out downfield with the way that offense was constructed. And

1162
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 2: so if teams get better about keeping the Washington offense

1163
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 2: in front of them and look, Washington march down the

1164
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 2: the have ten twelve, fourteen, eighteen play drives or whatever,

1165
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 2: and that's great, but that's more opportunity to screw up

1166
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 2: and get a procedural penalty or turn the ball over

1167
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 2: or have a miscommunication whatever. So it's does Washington have

1168
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 2: that you know that fourth pitch, as we like to say,

1169
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:03,439
Speaker 2: where it's Jalen poke Up the same it's McMillan, it's

1170
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 2: Roma Dunese. Whoever is all of a sudden keeping two

1171
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 2: high safeties because of how dangerous they are. They didn't

1172
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 2: always do it last year.

1173
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think there's a really good chance

1174
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: that through the first six weeks of the year, Washington's undefeated.

1175
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: Then it gets notably harder Oregon the games at home,

1176
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: as we said, great, they're on the road at usc

1177
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: come back home against Utah, go back on the road

1178
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: against Oregon State.

1179
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 2: That's in November.

1180
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: So it will toughen up here in the second half

1181
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: of the season, second half of the schedule here. I

1182
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: like this team a lot. I really I'm trying to

1183
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: like pump the brakes here because I really do believe

1184
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: in Kaylen de Bor. I've been a Kailen de Bor

1185
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: fan since he was at Indiana. Sure, there is a

1186
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: question though about the defense and is that going to

1187
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: improve even though they've got guys coming back.

1188
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 2: Can't always assume that. Okay, who's the next best quarterback

1189
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 2: after that Big four five? Whatever? If you want to

1190
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 2: include dju is it Jaden do Laura is whoever's that

1191
01:00:59,600 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 2: you see?

1192
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: I think it's Jaden DeLaura. Okay, I think it's Jade Laura.

1193
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: If you want me to talk about Arizona, I'd love to.

1194
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 2: What's your fascinating thing about the Cats? Man? I love

1195
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 2: the Cats this year. I love the Cats.

1196
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: Don't do it to yourself, ty no, no, no, I

1197
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: don't love the Cats to go like seven and five

1198
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: or go on some sort of miracle run.

1199
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 2: Here. We all remember your ASU wildcard pac twelve pick

1200
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 2: last year. We all remember, thank you, Dan.

1201
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Yeah's see if.

1202
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 2: It works for him.

1203
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: That's what's interesting for me about Arizona. Okay, I quote

1204
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: Dodgeball because Arizona's defense last season was cataclysmic. It was

1205
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: so bad one hundred and twenty sixth in sp plus.

1206
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: They gave up almost thirty seven points per game. Yeah,

1207
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: And so Jedfish did the college football thing that I

1208
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: think I love the most.

1209
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 2: He did the thinkable, the thinkable, thank you.

1210
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: My absolute favorite move is when a coach does this,

1211
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: when they look out, they understand the reality of the situation,

1212
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: and then they make the boldest move. In this case,

1213
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: he decided he was just going to play a bunch

1214
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: of freshmen, Like, why kid yourself at that point, the

1215
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: defense is already terrible.

1216
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 2: You're trying to build.

1217
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: This thing long term, not just for the immediate future.

1218
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: Let's get reps for some of the young guys. And

1219
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: so that's what he did. Seven true freshmen played. This

1220
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: is about midway through the season. Seven true freshmen played

1221
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: more than fifty snaps. Four played more than two hundred.

1222
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: Now you fast forward to twenty twenty three, all of

1223
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 1: that experience is back. They added in transfers like the

1224
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: walking targeting violation. As you've referred to him, Justin Flow,

1225
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: former five star Justin Flow.

1226
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, and his brother who transferred there, and his.

1227
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,439
Speaker 1: Brother a handful of other four stars that came from

1228
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: around the PAC twelve. I don't think Arizona's defense is

1229
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 1: going to be good in twenty twenty three, but I

1230
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 1: do think there's a universe in which it is significantly

1231
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: better because they bring all that experience back, and because

1232
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: the growing pains of last year are now going to

1233
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: be a little bit more worked out in twenty twenty three.

1234
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: So again, well, they'd be good, absolutely not. But if

1235
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: the defense is going to be better this season. They're

1236
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: all going to be back in twenty twenty four with

1237
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 1: like ninety five percent returning production again, which doesn't mean everything,

1238
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 1: but I think this is just a really like heady

1239
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: way for Jedfish to build a defense. That is the

1240
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 1: point of fascination with Arizona. Frankly, it is a defensive thing.

1241
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: When he stepped foot on campus, he knew he inherited

1242
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: a bit of a tire fire. So the first thing

1243
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: he was trying to do was make the offense better,

1244
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 1: which he did dramatically last season. When he took over,

1245
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: he wanted to get a guy like Jade Laura. He

1246
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: got him, threw him in there last season. It was

1247
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: a big jump. His connection with Jacob Cowing and Dorian Singer,

1248
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: who now is transfer of course, as se to Tyro McMillan,

1249
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 1: t Rex our boy. We love t Rex here. His

1250
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 1: connection with those guys was was pretty profound.

1251
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 2: Are you calling him t Rex? T Rex? Is that

1252
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 2: what his nickname is? I've seen Rex.

1253
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: I believe t Mac maybe more of the common parlance,

1254
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 1: but either way, we love the guy.

1255
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1256
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: They went from one win to five wins, beat UCLA,

1257
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: They beat Arizona State, take back the Territorial Cup. I

1258
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: think a very successful campaign. They'll be sound offensively again,

1259
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 1: which leads me to my second point of fascination. They're

1260
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 1: gonna upset somebody, right, Yeah, they.

1261
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 2: Did it with Ucla on the road last year.

1262
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 1: Late, Sure, they're gonna upset somebody. The defense, I think

1263
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 1: is going to be just a little bit better. The

1264
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: offense is going to remain playing at a really high level.

1265
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 1: The interest is in who of Washington, Oregon State, UCLA,

1266
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 1: and Utah, all of which are in Tucson. Which of

1267
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: those schools is going to down Arizona. That Utah game

1268
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: is a week before the Uts play Washington. Arizona is

1269
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 1: also on the road at USC. It's a week before

1270
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 1: USC goes to Notre Dame in middle October. I gotta

1271
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: believe Arizona stands to ruin someone's season in twenty twenty three.

1272
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: The offense is there, if the defense improves a little bit,

1273
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: if you catch somebody in a weird spot, they did

1274
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: it last year. Whose season are they going to ruin?

1275
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 2: Dan? I mean, but it's sort of a question of like,

1276
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 2: whose season is Cliff Kingsbury's Texas Tech going to ruin?

1277
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 1: Right?

1278
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 2: Where it's just like, well, it's cool that you won this,

1279
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 2: but are you built in an extremely flawed way? No,

1280
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 2: I mean they can beat any of those teams. We

1281
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 2: saw them come close to all of those teams last year.

1282
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 2: I believe in the teams you mentioned. So I don't

1283
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 2: know what's necessarily better about the defense this year. I

1284
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 2: think they went through a stretch the middle of the

1285
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 2: year where they came helup like fifty points a game.

1286
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 2: It was really bad. It was really bad.

1287
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, Okay, the thing about the strategy,

1288
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 1: the bold strategy cut if you will. The thing about

1289
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: it is they played all these freshmen, and initially it

1290
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 1: was really bad. Like obviously it was really bad. It

1291
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: did start to improve down the stretch. It did get better.

1292
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was by virtue of the competition.

1293
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was by virtue of the reps.

1294
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,919
Speaker 1: But the reps will travel now into twenty twenty three,

1295
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: and whatever position they were starting from last season is

1296
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: infinitely better now because of those reps and because of

1297
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: some of the transfers that they brought in. I know,

1298
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: you don't think super highly adjustin flow.

1299
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 2: But sure his an improvement over what they had Yeah,

1300
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 2: he's an improvement.

1301
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, to add him to what they had before only

1302
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: helps to make them a little bit better. So I

1303
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 1: think defensively it'll be marginal improvement. I think offensively they'll

1304
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: still be fun to watch. They were fun as hell

1305
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 1: to watch last year. Arizona's a really interesting school. They're

1306
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 1: over under for what it's worth is five. You know,

1307
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: I want to believe in six. I don't see six.

1308
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 1: I don't see a way in which they get to

1309
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: six unless the defense is just lights out and way

1310
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: better than anybody could have predicted. But I think, if

1311
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 1: nothing more of this will be a very entertaining team

1312
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 1: that is worthy of all of our dings here on

1313
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 1: the previous show.

1314
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 2: So one of the problems with your which I think

1315
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 2: is not wrong, but it's just a flaw in the like,

1316
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 2: well we're bad, we might as well play the freshmen.

1317
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 2: The question then is are those players good players? Though? Well,

1318
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 2: that's they're definitely young.

1319
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 1: Right, that's and that goes back to something that we

1320
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: talked about on the last Brune that we did for

1321
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 1: because good.

1322
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 2: Freshmen, good freshmen play well, they're not finished products, not

1323
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 2: finished products.

1324
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: Well, we talked about on the Brune which you can

1325
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: get at verballers dot com is right. Somebody asked us,

1326
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 1: what are the tropes that we see in the college

1327
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 1: football preseason? Are the ones that kind of bother us

1328
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 1: the most? And the one that I answered was it

1329
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 1: bothers me when folks rely too heavily on returning production

1330
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 1: as any kind of tell for what is to come right,

1331
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,440
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter as much if the guy's stink if

1332
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 1: they're all back. Bill Connolly's been making that point for years.

1333
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 1: I happen to believe that this is still something of

1334
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 1: an unfinished product with the freshman at Arizona, And though

1335
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 1: I agree with you they should play better if they're

1336
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 1: actually any good, I still think having all those reps

1337
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 1: and all that experience puts them in a much better

1338
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 1: spot than they were in last season.

1339
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 2: Okay, I hope so one would think that's the conventional wisdom.

1340
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 2: But the problem is, if they're not very good players,

1341
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 2: they're going to be super experienced, and super experience does

1342
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 2: not wrap up in the open field necessarily super talented does.

1343
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 2: Super experience doesn't you know, let a player get behind

1344
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 2: him in a dramatic third down situation. Whatever so or

1345
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 2: super experience can So that's the problem is experience does

1346
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 2: not mean production, and that would be my wory with

1347
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 2: Arizona or I don't necessarily see a roster of players

1348
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 2: capable of fielding a top fifty defense in the near future.

1349
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 2: What interests to you about cal and Stanford? Almost nothing

1350
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 2: about Cal. Let's be honest, all right, So I won't ding,

1351
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 2: I won't play any ding no.

1352
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 1: No.

1353
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 2: The fascinating thing is it's essentially a question of all

1354
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 2: Justin Wilcox has to do is get back to Justin Wilcox.

1355
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:25,959
Speaker 2: All he has to do is field a dangerous, swarming

1356
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 2: defense even if there's no offense to speak of or

1357
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 2: offensive consistency to speak of. I think it's been five

1358
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,759
Speaker 2: years since he's had a top seventy five eighty offense

1359
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 2: nationally in points per drive. And so I'm not going

1360
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 2: to sit here and say, like, well, Jake s Bavottall's

1361
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 2: coming over and he was there in twenty sixteen with

1362
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 2: Davis Webb and Sunny Dyke's and so he like has

1363
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 2: an understanding of the situation, Like it's Sam Jackson the

1364
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:50,719
Speaker 2: fifth coming in from TCU, or maybe it's Sam maybe

1365
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 2: his last name is Sam Jackson. V but I read

1366
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 2: that as Sam Jackson, the fifth coming in from TCU,

1367
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 2: a former blue chip quarterback, and there's some talent. They

1368
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 2: lose a top receips to UCLA, but Jeremiah Hunter's back,

1369
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 2: there's you know, Jade not ran for you know, five

1370
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy three yards against the aforementioned very promising

1371
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:12,719
Speaker 2: Arizona defense. The youth, the youth of Arizona. The question

1372
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 2: to me is like, are there just enough guys? I

1373
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 2: know they're getting healthier on defense. Uh, you know, they

1374
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 2: make changes on both sides of the ball on the

1375
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 2: coaching staff. They just need like a top thirty defense

1376
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 2: and if they have that, then they go to a

1377
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 2: bowl game. But I don't know if they have that.

1378
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 2: They were god awful last year on defense. And so

1379
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 2: if a Justin Wilcox team is awful on defense, beat

1380
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 2: up whatever it happens to everybody. But he just doesn't

1381
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 2: have the roster to survive injuries. What's the point of

1382
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 2: having Justin Wilcox. No, what are you paying Justin Wilcox

1383
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 2: money for if you don't have a defense. Well, and

1384
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 2: so he makes a ton of bad hires at offensive

1385
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 2: coordinator that doesn't work out. They can't find a like

1386
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 2: I think a lot of this is just Berkeley is

1387
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 2: an impossible place to win, honestly, like right now in

1388
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 2: this era, it's just an impossible place to build a

1389
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 2: nine win team consistently, or a seven win or eight

1390
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 2: win team whatever. So if you can find and develop

1391
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 2: defensive players into NFL caliber talent, which he's done for

1392
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 2: the duration of his time there, they're interesting and fascinating

1393
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 2: whatever adjective we want to use. But I don't know.

1394
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 2: They don't have the guys on offense. I don't think

1395
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 2: they have the lineman on either side of the ball

1396
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 2: to disrupt enough teams to win more than like four

1397
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:26,719
Speaker 2: or five games this year. I just don't And they're

1398
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 2: a clear team of you know, lost a bunch of

1399
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 2: close games, but I don't know. They weren't built to

1400
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 2: win close games. So it doesn't really affect me that much.

1401
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean something that I think we called out

1402
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 1: at some point when we did other preseason coverage about

1403
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve and cal especially is new offense. Now

1404
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 1: they want to play quicker. Is it good to play quicker?

1405
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 1: If the offense stinks like.

1406
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 2: Oh, it can be a weapon.

1407
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 1: It can be like be a weapon, but it can

1408
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: also put the defense in a really stressful position that

1409
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 1: makes it almost important for them to succeed, certainly, So

1410
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 1: that's fascinating. Here's the fascination point for me on COL. Yeah,

1411
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 1: they're the California Sandwich Company.

1412
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 2: Dan.

1413
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're sandwiched in between Utah and USC. For Oregon,

1414
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 1: they're sandwiched in between Utah and UCLA for Oregon State,

1415
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 1: sandwiched in between Utah and Washington for USC. It's an

1416
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 1: open face sandwich for Utah a week before they play USC.

1417
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 1: And they're also sandwiched in between road games for Washington

1418
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 1: at Michigan State and at Arizona. So COL finds itself

1419
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:44,760
Speaker 1: in some interesting schedule situations. It's not quite Texas Tech

1420
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 1: from a year ago, but it's very easy to overlook

1421
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 1: this team, and they're going to play quickly, and you know,

1422
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 1: maybe they catch somebody who knows they're over unders five.

1423
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: I think I said at the time we did our

1424
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 1: schedule preview that I'd put one mortgage payment on the

1425
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,639
Speaker 1: under for CAL. I don't see them getting to five.

1426
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 1: That probably means they'll get to seven. But that being said,

1427
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:10,240
Speaker 1: it seems like it's really tough, really tough sledding for Cal.

1428
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 1: What about Stanford, Dan, speaking of tough sledding, do they

1429
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:13,639
Speaker 1: have any players?

1430
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:20,840
Speaker 2: Not really? We got Emmett Smith's kid in the backfields,

1431
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 2: they return a receiver to They lost like their entire

1432
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 2: offensive line to the portal. They lost a ton on

1433
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:30,600
Speaker 2: defense to the portal. There's playmakers on defense. There's just

1434
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 2: not guys on this roster. And I think Troy Taylor

1435
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:34,679
Speaker 2: is going to be a very good coach for Stanford.

1436
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 2: I don't know what that means. I think when eight

1437
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 2: games a year or something, that's great. They're gonna recruit

1438
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 2: pretty well with him, as they've started to do already

1439
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 2: in year one of his first class. But no, with

1440
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:49,240
Speaker 2: the guys on the roster today, I think winning four

1441
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 2: games it would be borderline miraculous. I think it's going

1442
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 2: to be a tough first year. But that said, with

1443
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 2: what he did at Sex State when they didn't have

1444
01:13:57,439 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 2: a lot of success, like, I think he's a really

1445
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 2: good coach. He may have been Jake Browning's high school coach.

1446
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 2: I want to say in Folsome when Jake Browning threw

1447
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 2: for like seventy five touchdowns his senior year or something ridiculous.

1448
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 2: So I think he will have an eye for talent.

1449
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:15,640
Speaker 2: I think he will develop quarterbacks. I think his offensive

1450
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 2: system is sound. It's just it's just Jimmy's and Joe's

1451
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 2: at this point, it's just filling out the Stanford roster,

1452
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 2: which I think is going to take a couple of years,

1453
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 2: because at least a couple of years because this is

1454
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 2: not a portal program. This is just not And look,

1455
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 2: if they can recruit high school, if they can keep

1456
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 2: the roster intact, that's going to be that continuity advantage

1457
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 2: because Stanford's a great place to go to school, play football. Whatever.

1458
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 2: Whatever the future holds for Stanford as a program on

1459
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 2: the West Coast or going to the Big Ten or

1460
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 2: doing whatever, who knows, But I am confident they hired

1461
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 2: the right guy to run this program. I just don't

1462
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 2: think there's a ton fascinating about them this year. You know,

1463
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 2: quarterback was Ari put two or whatever, Like, Yeah, I'm

1464
01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 2: just not there in terms of finding intrigue with them.

1465
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 1: Can we combine our fascinating points into one.

1466
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 2: Sure?

1467
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: The most fascinating thing to me about the Troy Taylor

1468
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 1: Higher is stylistically, Stanford will look much different than they

1469
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 1: have under David Shaw all these years. Troy Taylor uses

1470
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 1: more of a spread offense, mixes in some air raid stuff,

1471
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 1: motion RPOs stuff that's very, very different from that power

1472
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 1: football right the full back, that type of stuff that

1473
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,600
Speaker 1: they've been doing under David Shaw. And the offenses at

1474
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 1: Sack State were all very balanced. He was good as

1475
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 1: both a passing offense and as a running offense when

1476
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 1: he had the guys. It may take a while to

1477
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 1: get the guys. I don't think he's got them to

1478
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 1: your point. It's not a portal school. I'd much rather

1479
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 1: be Colorado than Stanford right now, no two ways about it.

1480
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 1: But I think the Troy Taylor hire is interesting, and

1481
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:51,639
Speaker 1: he's a name that came up for this job before

1482
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 1: whenever we would kind of talk about rumors. What does

1483
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,680
Speaker 1: a future hold for David Shaw. Troy Taylor's a name

1484
01:15:57,680 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 1: that made a lot of sense and still does so.

1485
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 2: I wish well.

1486
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:01,560
Speaker 1: I just think it's gonna take a little bit to

1487
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 1: get there.

1488
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 2: Definitely. Same Let's talk about UCLA, Dan, please. The over under.

1489
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 1: Is eight and a half for the Bruins this season. Okay,

1490
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel about that, but.

1491
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:22,719
Speaker 2: They've got a couple of really strong players on defense.

1492
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 2: I like Chip. They did pretty well in the portal

1493
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 2: on both sides of the ball, which is sort of

1494
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,799
Speaker 2: par for the COURUS golf term for you, Ty, for UCLA,

1495
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 2: you know, they added firepower receiver. But I don't know.

1496
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 2: The fascinating thing to me with UCLA is what exactly

1497
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 2: the shuffling is going to look like in that quarterback room. Okay,

1498
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:51,719
Speaker 2: with transfer returning guy and the first five star quarterback

1499
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 2: of Chip Kelly's career. Well, I think I think your

1500
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 2: point is kind of a sub point to mine, Okay,

1501
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 2: And the broader point of fascination is that this is

1502
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 2: the next chapter for Charles chip Kelly. Kelly, He's now

1503
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:11,839
Speaker 2: been at UCLA for five seasons. It's taken every single

1504
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 2: minute to turn the tide on the Bruins program. The

1505
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:18,440
Speaker 2: first three years were pretty bad. They were not good.

1506
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 1: I remember several conversations with you where we were like,

1507
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 1: is this thing going to continue next season?

1508
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 2: Oh? Well, there was the element of like there was

1509
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 2: a deadline of extending chip Kelly's contract that we weren't

1510
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 2: sure UCLA was going to address, and.

1511
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 1: With good reason, right, I mean, the first three years

1512
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 1: of the project were not good. No, it has taken

1513
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 1: a while. It's been a slow build. He had to

1514
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 1: reprogram DTR, he had to reprogram the offensive line, get

1515
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 1: everyone playing a little bit differently. But there was that

1516
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:54,600
Speaker 1: point during the COVID year of twenty twenty when it

1517
01:17:55,000 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 1: finally kind of took and UCLA's offense improved dramatically. It's

1518
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 1: been improving ever since. Last season third in offensive sp plus.

1519
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 1: DTR completed seventy percent of his passes. He had thirty

1520
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 1: nine total touchdowns, So, at least to that end the

1521
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 1: reprogramming of DTR, it was pretty damn successful for chip Kelly.

1522
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 1: I'll say this at the risk of overgeneralizing. There have

1523
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 1: been two glaring weaknesses for Charles chip Kelly since he

1524
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 1: took over. The First is defense. Last season, UCLA was

1525
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:31,720
Speaker 1: eighty ninth in defensive sp plus and that was the

1526
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 1: best defense he's had. Okay, it has not been a

1527
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,640
Speaker 1: good defensive unit. He has struggled with defense in his

1528
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 1: time in Westwood. They've just been really bad on that

1529
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:41,720
Speaker 1: side of the ball. I think he made a really

1530
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:44,639
Speaker 1: good hire with Danton Lynn. That in and of itself

1531
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 1: is a risk because Dant Lin's never actually run a

1532
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 1: defense before, but worst case scenario, they're probably like back

1533
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 1: to where they've been, So I think it's a high

1534
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:58,719
Speaker 1: upside higher even though there's a fair amount of risk

1535
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 1: with it. The second bit of it is recruiting. The

1536
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:06,679
Speaker 1: second clearing hole for chip Kelly has been high school recruiting.

1537
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:08,680
Speaker 1: They've been good in the portal, They've been able to

1538
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 1: convert guys from the portal and get a lot out

1539
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 1: of them, but nationally, over the last five years they've

1540
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 1: averaged thirty fifth in terms of their recruiting class and

1541
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 1: that seems a bit a miss given where they're at,

1542
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 1: where they're located, they're in a hotbed for recruiting. The

1543
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 1: fact that they haven't been better is definitely something of

1544
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 1: a black guy. That's where it gets interesting. That's where

1545
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:34,719
Speaker 1: it gets interesting and why I say next chapter, because

1546
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 1: this season could go an awfully long way towards patching

1547
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 1: up that recruiting hole. UCLA flipped Dante More from your

1548
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:48,719
Speaker 1: Oregon Ducks Yeah, last recruiting cycle. He is the top

1549
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 1: quarterback prospect to ever sign with UCLA. He's the favorite

1550
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 1: to win the starting job at time of recording in

1551
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:58,600
Speaker 1: late July, who knows what happens. There are other competitors,

1552
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 1: Colin Schlee notably, but it seems as if it's Dante

1553
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 1: Moore's job to lose. It's actually quite rare that we

1554
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 1: get to see Chips start, a Chip guy break in

1555
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 1: a new Chip guy. This guy has literally Chip Kelly

1556
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:13,720
Speaker 1: has literally never had a bad quarterback in his time?

1557
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:15,719
Speaker 2: Are we? Are we sure it's not Ethan Garber's.

1558
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna be Ethan Garber's either, really

1559
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:22,720
Speaker 1: presume starter at kind of the beginning of all this,

1560
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 1: before the Dante Moore.

1561
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be SHLEI but okay,

1562
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:26,639
Speaker 2: I don't.

1563
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 1: Think it's gonna be Shley either. I think it's gonna

1564
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 1: be Dante Moore. Wow, I don't okay, I think it's

1565
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:32,640
Speaker 1: gonna be Dante Moore. I'll hitch my wagon to that

1566
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong.

1567
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 2: Okay.

1568
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 1: But the reason it's so fascinating to me is if

1569
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 1: Dante Moore comes in, if he follows in the footsteps

1570
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 1: of every other Chip Kelly quarterback and ends up being

1571
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 1: really good. Schedules very favorable, this season might maybe the

1572
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 1: easiest in the Pac twelve, and success breeds success. Success

1573
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:54,759
Speaker 1: for Dante Moore could mean that there's a domino effect

1574
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 1: on the recruiting trail and more guys want to come

1575
01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 1: to UCLA. The caveat is just that there's a lot

1576
01:20:59,920 --> 01:21:01,680
Speaker 1: of new at UCLA. You know, you can talk all

1577
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 1: you want about what Dante Moore brings to the equation

1578
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 1: as a quarterback, and how the schedule is favorable, and

1579
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 1: how Chip Kelly is reprogrammed and made things more physical, YadA, YadA, YadA,

1580
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 1: But there's.

1581
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:12,639
Speaker 2: A lot new.

1582
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 1: They lose Zach Charbonay, they lose Jake Bobo, they lose

1583
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 1: Kashmir Allen, three starters along the line. They supplemented well.

1584
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 1: They brought down guys like j Michael Sturtevant from Cal,

1585
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 1: Kyle Ford from USC at wide receiver, two linemen that

1586
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:30,559
Speaker 1: come in from Purdue and ODU. They should again be

1587
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:32,600
Speaker 1: physical up front, which I think is the key to

1588
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 1: the whole operation. But there is a question. There is

1589
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 1: a question about how much new can this system tolerate

1590
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 1: and how much new is too much new if they're

1591
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:45,920
Speaker 1: trying to move forward into this.

1592
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 2: Exciting new chapter.

1593
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could talk about Dan Lynn. I could probably

1594
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 1: talk to a Booe in the face about Dan Lynn.

1595
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 1: But the defensive question, frankly, is not new. It's not

1596
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 1: really even that fascinating. It'll be fascinating if they turn

1597
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 1: things around in a year. We can talk about it

1598
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 1: in the off season. But the point and a fascination

1599
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 1: for me is just that this is a new leaf

1600
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 1: for Chip Kelly at UCLA. If he can install an

1601
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:10,920
Speaker 1: exciting new quarterback from the jump that gets results, what

1602
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 1: does that mean for the project moving forward? What does

1603
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 1: that mean for the immediate future, Because again, over under

1604
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:19,480
Speaker 1: eight and a half, I think the schedule is is

1605
01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:22,600
Speaker 1: is fairly easy, fairly workable relative to their peers in

1606
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:25,639
Speaker 1: the Pac twelve. So if this thing goes really well,

1607
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 1: they hit the over. If it proved to be too

1608
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 1: much new, then then it's a different conversation altogether. And

1609
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:34,679
Speaker 1: maybe we're not quite as bullish on what this means

1610
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 1: to the overall project and recruiting and did they patch

1611
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 1: it up or not? But I remain very optimistic about

1612
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:43,640
Speaker 1: where things stand right now. And I'm I'm hitching my

1613
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 1: wag into Dante more.

1614
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 2: Did you watch Succession? I? Did you? Still? I fills

1615
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 2: that that part of my heart that says, I love you,

1616
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 2: But you're not serious people, right? Why? Why is that

1617
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 2: if Chip Kelly wont wanted to build a ten win

1618
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 2: team around Dante More, he would have He would find

1619
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:10,520
Speaker 2: ways to build up the UCLA recruiting program and operation

1620
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 2: to recruit top twenty classes to Westwood and not rely

1621
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:17,960
Speaker 2: exclusively on the portal. I don't think UCLA is serious.

1622
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:20,559
Speaker 1: What is the problem in the recruiting department though.

1623
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 2: That Chip has decided that he'd rather take defensive ends

1624
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:29,440
Speaker 2: from North Texas or Bowling Green than Texas or Arizona.

1625
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 2: Like he has a big name. He had an old,

1626
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:35,680
Speaker 2: old assistant, I mean not not an age reference, but

1627
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:38,639
Speaker 2: like he goes way back with Jerry Azinaro, he employee

1628
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 2: employed forever at UCLA, a defensive coordinator. He had an

1629
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 2: older staff that wasn't meeting the recruiting grind requirements of

1630
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three for a long time. He's gotten younger now.

1631
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:53,840
Speaker 2: And UCLA is a kind of a difficult place to

1632
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:56,759
Speaker 2: recruit to because it doesn't have the history of USC.

1633
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 2: So if you want to go to college in LA

1634
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 2: for a major program, you go to USC. But Chip

1635
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 2: Kelly has an incredible history as a head coach, and

1636
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 2: he is not an aggressive recruiter in the mold of

1637
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:10,599
Speaker 2: a twenty twenty three aggressive recruiter. So you say, maybe

1638
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 2: Dante mor is the first domino to fall and people

1639
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:16,640
Speaker 2: will follow him. I think Dante Moore saw an opportunity

1640
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,559
Speaker 2: to start right away and play in the Big Ten

1641
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 2: while still leaving the Midwest. And even still, Dante Moore

1642
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 2: could just leave in a year. Ty now he could.

1643
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 2: He could just leave in a year if he's not

1644
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 2: happy or if he's not starting.

1645
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:32,720
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly's got a really good track record with quarterbacks.

1646
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 2: He's got a great track record.

1647
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 1: If things go marginally well, I think he'd be foolish

1648
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 1: to leave. Who knows what the other possibilities are in

1649
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 1: the era of the transfer portal.

1650
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 2: But do you think the roster on offense that is

1651
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:49,680
Speaker 2: presumably built around Dante Moore, if Dante Moore is c J.

1652
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 2: Stroud or Bryce Young or any of the recent lethal

1653
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 2: quarterbacks we've seen, five star caliber quarterbacks we've seen in

1654
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 2: the sport, if Dante Moore is is what the youth

1655
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:02,679
Speaker 2: are saying, is him tie? Yep, that's what the youth

1656
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 2: are saying, right, Yeah, that's the gen Z thing. Sure,

1657
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 2: if Dante Moore is him? Is he surrounded by like

1658
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 2: minded and similarly talented players at UCLA? And is there

1659
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 2: a track record of Chip Kelly surrounding him with the

1660
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 2: Dante more of left tackles, the Dante mor of tight ends,

1661
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 2: the Dante mor of receivers.

1662
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 1: I say no, I mean I like what they've done

1663
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 1: in the transfer portal. I think they've been aggressive, and

1664
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:30,599
Speaker 1: I think Chip has hit.

1665
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 2: More often than not. I think I think he's.

1666
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:35,200
Speaker 1: Been He's a great coach and very good at working

1667
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 1: the portal. And he's certainly a good coach. He knows

1668
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,679
Speaker 1: how to coach quarterback, knows how to coach offense. Where

1669
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:43,760
Speaker 1: does this receiver room? Where does this offensive line rank

1670
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 1: relative to peers in the pack twelve? Like fifth or

1671
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:51,600
Speaker 1: sixth best? You know it's it. We're not talking. I

1672
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:55,759
Speaker 1: don't think about a team of killers here right now

1673
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:58,559
Speaker 1: next to Dante more. I think there's a pretty good

1674
01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:01,160
Speaker 1: chance it's gonna take a while. If it happens, it's

1675
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:04,200
Speaker 1: gonna take a while. And I just find it fascinating

1676
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:10,120
Speaker 1: that the next chapter for a in some sense historic

1677
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 1: college football coach could hinge on the success of a

1678
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:13,960
Speaker 1: true freshman.

1679
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, That's where I'm at, and it's about to get

1680
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 2: harder in the Big ten. Exactly. Okay, who do we

1681
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:23,000
Speaker 2: have left? Asu?

1682
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:28,600
Speaker 1: We have Asu and we have Wazu. Yes, let me

1683
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:29,839
Speaker 1: address Asu quickly.

1684
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 2: Please do Arizona State I landed on the motto of

1685
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 2: five for fighting Dan. Oh my god, what a reference here. Yeah.

1686
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure why they're over unders five, so

1687
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 1: maybe that has something to do with it. But I

1688
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 1: find myself the most interested in things that I just

1689
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 1: don't understand. I'd like to talk to someone in Vegas

1690
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:57,040
Speaker 1: about how Arizona State's over unders five wins.

1691
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 2: It confuses me to the point where you're thinking more

1692
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 2: or fewer. Oh, I'm thinking fewer. Yeah, I mean too.

1693
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 1: Arizona State schedule is absolutely brutal. They play the top

1694
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:08,800
Speaker 1: five teams in the conference. Three of those games are

1695
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 1: on the road. They're starting with five losses in that sense,

1696
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 1: they're starting with five losses, which means which means they

1697
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:21,719
Speaker 1: got to go six to one against Southern Utah, Oklahoma State,

1698
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 1: Fresno State, cal Colorado, Wazoo, and Arizona to hit that over.

1699
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:29,599
Speaker 1: I'm not feeling bullish about their opportunities there. Those aren't

1700
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 1: all great teams, but the Arizona State roster from last

1701
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 1: season was fully nuked, basically starting from scratch this year.

1702
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 1: The defense is one hundred and fifteenth in returning production.

1703
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:47,120
Speaker 1: Figures to be a huge liability, especially against the top

1704
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 1: tier teams that they have to play offensively. I'm not

1705
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 1: sure what the plan is. They're solid out why, but

1706
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 1: everything else is a question mark. It's so bad that

1707
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:56,720
Speaker 1: I'm starting to come around on the decision to bring

1708
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 1: in Drew Pine. It's not good. It is not a

1709
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:02,680
Speaker 1: good situation at Arizona State. It could get good, I know.

1710
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 1: Kenny Dillingham is very excited about the opportunity, and he

1711
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 1: made much to do about going back home, about this

1712
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 1: being the dream job. He's employed a coaching staff that's

1713
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 1: very familiar with the state of Arizona. Arizona is not

1714
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 1: a state void of talent, so if he can get

1715
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 1: that thing cranked up, more power to him. He's young,

1716
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:24,040
Speaker 1: he's vibrant, and he's energetic. He's coached offense at a

1717
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 1: very high level.

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01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:26,600
Speaker 2: Good on him.

1719
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 1: It's not going to happen this year. It's just not

1720
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:32,799
Speaker 1: going to happen this year. The over under is interesting

1721
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:35,320
Speaker 1: to me though, because of the gump factor that we discussed.

1722
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 1: Washington a week after Washington plays Oregon, Utah at home,

1723
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 1: a week after Utah plays usc and Oregon back to back,

1724
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:49,360
Speaker 1: and a week before Utah goes to Washington, they play

1725
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 1: UCLA a week before UCLA plays the US.

1726
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 2: So I can rattle through the list here.

1727
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 1: There's a whole bunch of scenarios that are interesting on

1728
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 1: the ASU front. But the fact remains this is a

1729
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 1: basically new roster and they are starting from scratch in

1730
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:09,000
Speaker 1: many regards. Will we get to see Jaden Rashata, I

1731
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:12,640
Speaker 1: don't know Jaden Rashada. Of course, the big commit that

1732
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:16,720
Speaker 1: they got I guess via Florida after he decided to

1733
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 1: back out of his letter of intent, and so that's

1734
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:22,599
Speaker 1: your quarterback of the future. Will he be the quarterback

1735
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 1: of the moment? You know, they've got enough options in

1736
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 1: that quarterback room that I I don't know, we'll see.

1737
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:31,200
Speaker 1: I'd like to see him over Drew Pine. I'd like

1738
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 1: to see him over you know, Jacob Conover or some

1739
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:38,880
Speaker 1: of the other options that they've got. Trent Borgie, like,

1740
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 1: we'll find out what direction Kenny Dillingham wants to go

1741
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:44,679
Speaker 1: in the immediate future. But Jade and Rashada is the future,

1742
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 1: and they've got some decent pass catchers, but it's just

1743
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:49,600
Speaker 1: not enough for me.

1744
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 2: It's not enough.

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01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 1: I don't blame Kenny Dillingham for any of this. I

1746
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 1: don't blame ASU for hiring Kenny Dillingham. How could you.

1747
01:29:57,320 --> 01:30:01,320
Speaker 1: It's just it's it's a tough situation now that they're

1748
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:05,559
Speaker 1: fully stripped down to the studs, and the schedule seems

1749
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:09,400
Speaker 1: highly unworkable for a program that is starting from where

1750
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 1: they're starting from.

1751
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:13,080
Speaker 2: I also don't love this staff. There's a couple of

1752
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 2: intriguing guys, but I don't love the assistance that he

1753
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:21,720
Speaker 2: built up, like quarterback room is. Obviously it's just going

1754
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:25,280
Speaker 2: to be a pathway to eventually starting Jaden Rashada, whether

1755
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 2: that's this year or next. But no, there's just not

1756
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:31,400
Speaker 2: a lot on this roster that pops, you know, bringing

1757
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 2: in a bunch of transfers on both sides of the ball,

1758
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 2: but I don't think there's star power on either side

1759
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:38,960
Speaker 2: of the ball to any sort of reasonable degree. So no,

1760
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be because of the schedule

1761
01:30:42,479 --> 01:30:45,720
Speaker 2: to an extraordinary learning curve. The time it's going to

1762
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:49,680
Speaker 2: take to fully get to anywhere near what Kenny Dillingham's

1763
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:52,840
Speaker 2: vision is for this program. He's recruiting all right, but

1764
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 2: early returns aren't incredible, so give him time. But five

1765
01:30:57,600 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 2: five is the over underdand could certainly lose to Fresno

1766
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:04,120
Speaker 2: in Oklahoma State sc col on the road, Colorado at home.

1767
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 2: There's just nothing give me here now other than who's

1768
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 2: week one? Southern Utah? Southern Utah. No, man, this is

1769
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:17,320
Speaker 2: it sort of has two and ten three to nine

1770
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:20,439
Speaker 2: language about it that you know. If they catch people

1771
01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 2: situationally in a good spot, in a sandwich spot, sure believable.

1772
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:28,160
Speaker 2: But otherwise nah, I'm not there. Final team is Wazoo.

1773
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:30,519
Speaker 1: Yes, my point of fastening, I'll beat you to the

1774
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:35,679
Speaker 1: punch here please. Ben Arbuckle taking over the offense, young

1775
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 1: young ben Arbuckle from Western Kentucky, focusing on the vertical

1776
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:47,360
Speaker 1: passing slash tempo combination. That is, I guess, a pretty

1777
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:50,760
Speaker 1: stark contrast from what Wazoo had been doing, which was

1778
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:54,679
Speaker 1: a lot of horizontal stuff to the flats. Sure, it'll

1779
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 1: be interesting to see how cam Ward does in that system.

1780
01:31:57,040 --> 01:31:58,680
Speaker 2: Dan I I.

1781
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 1: Tried to research cam warda last season when he came over,

1782
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:03,640
Speaker 1: and there were questions about the deep ball and the

1783
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 1: mechanics and the lower body and some of the minutia

1784
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:10,720
Speaker 1: that doesn't translate well to podcast audio. Wazoo's over under

1785
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:12,879
Speaker 1: a six and a half. There is this new offense

1786
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:16,600
Speaker 1: that is exciting. It's a good coach and Jake Dickert

1787
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:22,040
Speaker 1: Wazoo either by virtue of being in Pullman or by

1788
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 1: virtue of being one of the schools that we tend

1789
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:29,639
Speaker 1: to bring up below that top rung in the Pac twelve.

1790
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 1: It frankly, it's a school that often gets overlooked as well.

1791
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:36,760
Speaker 1: So where are you at with Wazoo? What's your point

1792
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 1: of fascination.

1793
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:41,439
Speaker 2: I think they're I mean, they're feisty, right, They're changing

1794
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:43,800
Speaker 2: things on offense, which is good because I didn't love

1795
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 2: their offense last year. I'm still not a huge Cameron

1796
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 2: Ward guy. I have the written down that like all

1797
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:55,800
Speaker 2: aboard Cameron Camerican Airlines. Excuse me, So it's not great.

1798
01:32:56,240 --> 01:32:58,759
Speaker 2: I'm the first to admit it. But look, they're starting

1799
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 2: from a point of promise. Quarterback and definitive production and

1800
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:08,360
Speaker 2: talent at ed Rusher, which is really a great starting point. Now,

1801
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:12,519
Speaker 2: they lost a bunch of assistants. I think their defensive

1802
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:15,599
Speaker 2: coordinator just went to Arizona State, Brian Ward. I believe

1803
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:18,599
Speaker 2: they lost a receivers coach who was taking over at

1804
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 2: North Texas, I believe. So they start over at a

1805
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:24,679
Speaker 2: bunch of spots, both offensive and defensive coordinator, and along

1806
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 2: with a number of position coaches. They're decimated by the

1807
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:31,519
Speaker 2: portal on both sides of the ball, receiver included, and

1808
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 2: so they're turning more to tight ends now and they're

1809
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 2: going to take deeper shots now. All great to hear

1810
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:39,800
Speaker 2: in late July. I don't think they've got guys on

1811
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:42,839
Speaker 2: defense otherwise, outside of a couple guys rushing the passer,

1812
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:45,760
Speaker 2: they are thin man and so the best that they

1813
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:49,519
Speaker 2: can hope for is feisty performances, being overlooked whatever. But

1814
01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:53,000
Speaker 2: I see them as being bowlish, Like it's just tough

1815
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:55,680
Speaker 2: to change that much year over year. And it's good

1816
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 2: that you got the quarterback back, but like, I don't

1817
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:01,559
Speaker 2: know who's he throwing to, Like who is putting the

1818
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:04,080
Speaker 2: fear of God into the like the USC secondary of

1819
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:07,080
Speaker 2: the Oregon secondary, of the Washington the Utah secondary, Like

1820
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:10,920
Speaker 2: how are you actually taking advantage with Cameron Ward and

1821
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:12,679
Speaker 2: so that to me is the issue.

1822
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:18,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean outside of Colorado and Stanford, which obviously

1823
01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:22,160
Speaker 1: have their own roster issues to contend with. Yeah, I

1824
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:31,360
Speaker 1: mean Wazoo is maybe next worst. Maybe Oregon States a

1825
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:34,000
Speaker 1: little bit worse than Wazoo in terms of past catchers.

1826
01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:37,200
Speaker 1: You maybe that's a real question if you're going to

1827
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:38,240
Speaker 1: run a vertical offense.

1828
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:46,559
Speaker 2: The schedule's okay to me because Colorado's at home, Stanford's

1829
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:50,479
Speaker 2: at home, Arizona's at home, Oregon States at home, even

1830
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:53,439
Speaker 2: like New Look, Wisconsin's at home, and they win that

1831
01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:56,200
Speaker 2: game last year at Camp Randall. Obviously a different circumstance

1832
01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:59,880
Speaker 2: for the Badgers. I think they can get to that

1833
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:03,680
Speaker 2: Bowl level. I just to get beyond it. I just

1834
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 2: don't think they have the pop to do. So. How

1835
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:08,519
Speaker 2: old were you when you got your driver's license? By

1836
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:15,599
Speaker 2: the way, sixteen? Was Ben Arbuckle born? Are you sixteen

1837
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:17,000
Speaker 2: years older than ben Arbuckle?

1838
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 1: It might be close to that. I don't think, Oh

1839
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 1: my god, it's not quite that. He might have been

1840
01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:22,360
Speaker 1: one year old.

1841
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:27,720
Speaker 2: So at the very least, ben Arbuckle is not potty trained. No, no,

1842
01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:31,920
Speaker 2: When you are coming into your own right. As a sixteen,

1843
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:34,280
Speaker 2: it said, man, we are old. I mean you're a

1844
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:36,960
Speaker 2: generation ahead, but we're still old. Just throw that one

1845
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:39,040
Speaker 2: in there. I think they'll be fine. I think they'll

1846
01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:41,040
Speaker 2: be fun. I just don't know if fun wins you

1847
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:45,000
Speaker 2: At eight games, seven games, that's back twelve, who do

1848
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:45,599
Speaker 2: you have winning it?

1849
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:49,720
Speaker 1: I think I'm on Washington.

1850
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:53,559
Speaker 2: Over who in the championship game.

1851
01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:59,479
Speaker 1: I think I'm Washington. It's divisionless, Yeah, it's divisionless. I

1852
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:05,120
Speaker 1: think I'm I think I'm Washington. I think i'm probably USC.

1853
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 2: Washington over USC in a rematch because they play each other, right, Yeah,

1854
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:15,760
Speaker 2: I think i'm Washington. USC Washington plays USC back to

1855
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:19,719
Speaker 2: back after a road game, after Rhodes Stanford, Yeah, before

1856
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:22,320
Speaker 2: Utah Oregon State. So it's in the thick part of

1857
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:23,000
Speaker 2: their schedule.

1858
01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:26,559
Speaker 1: It's tough, though, it's tough. I can make a very

1859
01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:28,640
Speaker 1: very easy case for Oregon. I can make a very

1860
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:31,679
Speaker 1: very easy case for Utah. Utah should be the easiest case. Again,

1861
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:35,320
Speaker 1: I prefaced all this by saying I'm doing it again

1862
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:36,120
Speaker 1: with Utah.

1863
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:38,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand, I'm remaining skeptical.

1864
01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:42,439
Speaker 1: I think it's a tough schedule, and I do have

1865
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:46,320
Speaker 1: some questions about their ability to kind of come out

1866
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:49,800
Speaker 1: of the gates one hundred percent right. And I really

1867
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:52,639
Speaker 1: like Washington. I really like Washington a lot. Washington US

1868
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:56,080
Speaker 1: could be fun as hell. So I'm gonna go Washington

1869
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:57,800
Speaker 1: as my PAC twelve winner.

1870
01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:04,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go or Washington in the championship game, and

1871
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:09,519
Speaker 2: I'll go eh back and forth because I like to

1872
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:11,880
Speaker 2: see a lot too. I'm going to sleep on Utah

1873
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:14,479
Speaker 2: because one of us has to. Okay, that's just it,

1874
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:16,840
Speaker 2: if we're going to keep this going. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1875
01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:19,280
Speaker 2: somebody has to sleep on Utah. I'm gonna sleep on Utah,

1876
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:21,880
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna say I'll stick with that. I'll go

1877
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:25,120
Speaker 2: Oregon Washington rematch. Oregon wins the conference in a Homer pick.

1878
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:30,120
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01:38:03,240 --> 01:38:05,040
Speaker 1: dying here talking all things Pack twelve.

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01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:07,519
Speaker 2: I loved it because at one point you sounded you.

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01:38:07,640 --> 01:38:10,680
Speaker 2: I think you were talking about UCLA and it just

1892
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:13,720
Speaker 2: tripped up, it just and you went. It's like you

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01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:17,960
Speaker 2: got something touched a nerve and you're like, and they

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01:38:18,040 --> 01:38:22,559
Speaker 2: might only happen. Went five, and it was great. It

1895
01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:25,479
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, this this emotion killed nowhere.

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01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:26,040
Speaker 2: It killed me.

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Speaker 1: Those folks are your twenty three most fascinating things Pack

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Speaker 1: twelve that were twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: We didn't even plan that. We have to come up

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Speaker 2: with twenty three for every other conference. Now we've set

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01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:38,800
Speaker 2: the bar for.

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Speaker 1: That guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubenstein, for myself,

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Speaker 1: Tye Hill, the brand.

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Speaker 2: Next up, the Big twelve. Talk to you soon. Stay solid, peace,