1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: This has benom big day baquet for this Thursday, the 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: thirtieth of March in London. Coming up today, The Price 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: of being too Big to Fail. The US considers forcing 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: large lenders to pay billions of dollars to cover the 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: cost of recent bank failures. Go with the Flow. Barclays 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: predicts a second wave of deposits will be pulled from 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: banks and underwhelming. The UK unveils new energy plans but 8 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: offers few carrots to compete with the US. Britain gets 9 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: set to sign a new trade deal, off Gem threats 10 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: and wealthy savers delay retirement. Those other stories we're looking 11 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: at in today's papers, and I'm Leanne Gerns plus playing 12 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 1: catch up. The city stumbles in its own finance center rankings. 13 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: That's all straight ahead on Bloomberg Daybreak Europe. The business 14 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: news you need to start your day in just one 15 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: fifteen minute podcast on Apple, Spotify, The Bloomberg Business, Apple 16 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: and everywhere you get your podcasts. Good morning, I'm Caroline Hepke. 17 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: Here are the stories we're following today. Bloomberg understands the 18 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: regulator that ensures US deposits may ask big lenders to 19 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: pay extra to cover the cost of recent bank fads. 20 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: The FDIC expects to pay close to twenty three billion 21 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: dollars to cover deposits lost when Siticon Valley Bank and 22 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: Signature failed. Bloomberg's Banking Regulation reporter Katanga Johnson has the 23 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: details of the scoop. So what we understand is that 24 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: the FDIC is really considering boosting the reserves in the 25 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: Deposit Insurance Fund by charging larger banks a new read assessment. 26 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: We understand from Martin Broomberg's the FDC cheer during his 27 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: conversations with lawmakers today that truly he wants to protect 28 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: community bankers and regional bankers from having to pay a 29 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: larger share. Katana Johnson says the FDRC has the power 30 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: to speed up the process of refilling its coffers after 31 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: a big payout, and it can tailor how it sets 32 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: those rates well. Barkley says that another wave of deposit 33 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: outflows is on the cards as customers wake up to 34 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: higher interest rates available in money market funds. The bank 35 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: strategist Joseph Abate says that depositors may also feel that 36 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: money markets offer a high perceived level of safety than banks. However, 37 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: European Central Bank Executive board member Isabel Schnabel says the 38 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: move seems more of a US problem. We have seen 39 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: some shifts from overnight deposits into time deposits, but we 40 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: have not seen a general deposit outflows of the bank. 41 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: So what we've seen here that there was a shift 42 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: into money market funds, so that we have not seen 43 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: and so for now the banking sector looks rather resilient. 44 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: Schnabel was speaking at an event in Washington. Although she 45 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: thinks that the outflows would be disinflationary, she's unsure how 46 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: large any move would actually be, and the Federal Reserve 47 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: Chair Jerome Powell has told Republicans to study the dot 48 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: plot if they want to know how much further interest 49 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: rates would rise this year. In a private meeting with lawmakers, 50 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: the Fed chief pointed to the policy guide when asked 51 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 1: about the rate path. The dot plot currently predicts one 52 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: more twenty five basis point hike this year. It has 53 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: emerged that Swiss regulators actively encouraged UBS to bring back 54 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: Sir Joe O. Motty, who is Swiss as CEO, following 55 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: the takeover of Credit Swiss. Speaking after the surprise announcement yesterday, 56 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: a Motty sought to reassure the public that the combined 57 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: bank will be a success. Scale in size is not 58 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: a problem if he's focused and well managed. I always 59 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: say that for me, the debate in nowadays is not 60 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: too big to fail, is rather too small to survive, 61 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: and we want to be a winner. A Marshy van 62 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: ubs from A twenty eleven to twenty twenty and takes 63 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: over from the curren CEO Ralph Harmer's on the fifth 64 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: of April. Here in the UK, the government is expected 65 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:17,239 Speaker 1: to announce its response to the US Inflation Reduction Act 66 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: later today, but a draft document seen by Bloomberg News 67 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: suggests little in the way of new spending. Yesterday, the Chancellor, 68 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: Jeremy Hunter responded to criticism that Britain doesn't seem to 69 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: have a counter offer to America's bumper green subsidies. It's 70 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: a good thing that the United States is taking climate 71 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: seriously and there's a lot of cats up in what 72 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: they are proposing to do because we are, even after 73 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: the Inflation Reduction Act, we are spending a higher proportion 74 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: of our GDP on the clean energy transition than the 75 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: United States. Isnt New plans include a home energy efficiency program, 76 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: and also steps to speed up planning applications for renewable power. Well, 77 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: there are plenty of warriors in the City of London 78 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:10,559 Speaker 1: that other financial centers are catching up. Now its own 79 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: league table appears to confirm those fears, as Bloomberg's un 80 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: Potts reports now New York now shares the top spot 81 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: with London as the world's leading financial hub. But according 82 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: to the City of London Corporation's own research, other centers, 83 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: including Frankfurt and Paris, have boosted their attractiveness at a 84 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: faster pace. The survey benchmarks the competitiveness of financial centers 85 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: across ninety five metrics. London scores sixty, with Frankfurt on 86 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: forty six the biggest gainer last year, and Paris on 87 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: forty three. The city is calling for the government to 88 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: investigate how to convince high growth industries to start stay 89 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: and scale in the UK. Still in London, I'm you 90 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: and Pots Bloomberg Day Break Europe. Okay, So in Pots 91 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: they're reporting on the city's own metrics from right here 92 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: in the capital. So today Green Day as build by 93 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: government officials, but it does already look like it may disappoint. 94 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: Perhaps both the renewable power industry and the fossil fuel 95 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: industry at the same time. Look, the measures are meant 96 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: to counteract or help the UK keep up with massive 97 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,679 Speaker 1: investment not just from the US but also from the EU. 98 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: But a lot of the critics say and are wondering 99 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: whether they'll be funding for home insulation which is a 100 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: huge issue, whether they'll be onshore renewable power as perhaps 101 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: easier through planning rules, that doesn't look likely. And also 102 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: we do have carbon capture and storage the government pinning 103 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: a lot of hopes on that it would seem from 104 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: this plan, and that kind of has been criticized by 105 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: some is not something that you can build up to scale. 106 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: So lots of question marks about Green Day. But then 107 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: there's also a very interesting piece by my colleague Phil 108 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: Audric on the terminal. Have we learned the lessons from 109 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: the pandemic? No way not. When it comes to fraud. 110 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: The National Audit Office says that fraud against UK taxpayers 111 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: most quadrupled during the two years of the pandemic twenty 112 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: one billion pounds, and that we're most unlikely to actually 113 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: be able to recover that. That's according to the watchdog, 114 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: Despite the efforts of HMRC, which looked to be limited. 115 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: A couple of the figures that struck me. The COVID 116 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: support scheme accounted for seven point three billion pounds of fraud, 117 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: and benefit fraud was the biggest seven point nine billion 118 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: pounds over those twenty four months of the pandemic. Have 119 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: a read of that story on the Blue Beg terminal. 120 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: Let's send our attention now to the US. The span 121 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: of eleven days in the US saw the collapse of 122 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: three regional banks and then also one giant global one. 123 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: Of course, here a credit sweetes. Now the fdi C, 124 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: the agency that stepped in, wants to spread the twenty 125 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: three billion dollars in costs from the demise of these businesses. 126 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: Blue Begs Markets for report of valery title joins me. Now, 127 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: so the idacy at the big banks to pay then, well, 128 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: that seems like to be the politically palpable option right now. 129 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: From what we've heard from the week of testimonies about 130 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: svb's collapse, you know that the politicians in Washington are 131 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: really seeing that the big banks in the US have 132 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: benefited benefited from these deposit inflows. As people pull deposits 133 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: from the smaller banks and put them into the more 134 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: implicitly backed government too big to fail banks, as we 135 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: should say, So the idea would be too in some 136 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: way put more of the burden onto the large banks 137 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: in order to pay or I guess I should say, 138 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: rebuff the FDIC's fund. Yeah, absolutely, rebuild it. You know, 139 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: the deposit insurance funds absolutely essential to the sort of 140 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 1: working the backstop. What precedent is there for this and 141 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: how would it actually work? Well? The FDIC really has 142 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: full discretion on how they raise this fund. And the 143 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: thing that's funny though, is that how they currently raise 144 00:08:55,840 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: the fund is there is four or five five different 145 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: risk categories they put a put banks into, and they 146 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 1: charge the riskier banks more in an insurance premium to 147 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: add to the fund. So this would in some way 148 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: be flipping it on its head. They would be charging 149 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: the safer, larger institutions more money than the smaller, riskier 150 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: institutions in their eyes. But they have full discretion to 151 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: do that, and they did that very similarly in two 152 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,599 Speaker 1: thousand and nine when they needed to raise five and 153 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: a half billion, A lot of the burden went on 154 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: to the big banks. JP Morgan ended up paying a 155 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 1: decent fee, I should say, to rebuild the fund then, okay, 156 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: a good proportion. What about the issue then in Washington, 157 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: as you say, it's been hot topic. What's the kind 158 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: of politics abound this? Look? They have been very clear 159 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: about their concerns that the US is now entering into 160 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: a two tier banking system. You have the four massive 161 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: institutions and then you have all the smaller regional banks. 162 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 1: And the issue that Yelling and other lawmakers made clear 163 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: is that the smaller community banks are less likely to 164 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: get the same treatment that SVB did. There are less 165 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: likely to get a bail out of uninsured depositors because 166 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,719 Speaker 1: they aren't systemically important, and lawmakers are not happy about that. So, 167 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: you know what, the what we've heard from the FDIC 168 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 1: does seem to tilt in the direction of charging the 169 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: larger banks more as they have benefited from this banking crisis. Okay, Fali, 170 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming in and explaining the 171 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: details of that story. Then how to fund the banks 172 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 1: after the demise of a number of regional banks in 173 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: the US. That is our Boomberg's Markets report at Valerie 174 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: titel Up. Next, Britain gets ready to sign a new 175 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: trade deal off GEM threats and wealthy savers delay retirements. 176 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: Now the paper review on Bluebird day Break Europe, the 177 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: news you need to know from today's papers and joining 178 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: me this morning's Boomberg's Leanne guns are with a look 179 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 1: at the newspaper stories. Then let's start with this Telegraph 180 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: headline Britain is poised to sign Indo Pacific trade deal 181 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: in Brexit victory. That's how the Telegraph describes it. Lean Yes, indeed, Caroline, 182 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: good morning tas so post Brexit Britain, Caroline, what is 183 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: it going to look like? Okay, let me tell you. 184 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 1: So it's on the brink of joining an India Indo 185 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 1: Pacific trade pack and that's with eleven other countries. And 186 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 1: the newspaper basically says this will unlock access to a 187 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: ten trillion dollar market. So let's break it down tomorrow. 188 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: The UK is actually expected to become the first non 189 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: founding member of the CPPP, very catchy name. That the 190 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 1: deal will highlight determination and I think this is to 191 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: play a role on the global stage, especially when it 192 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: comes to the Indo Pacific Because Caroline, do you remember 193 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 1: the Orchest defense pack with the US and Australia is 194 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: also in the making and to be signed. So this 195 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: is something that I think that are looking at in 196 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: a world of post Brexit. But you made up a 197 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 1: really good point earlier to me. Basically, these countries in 198 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: these eleven member pack are so far away and it's 199 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: little Australia, Canada, Japan, Malaysia perusing a puviet now. I 200 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: mean the issue is that you tend to trade more 201 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: with people who are closer to in these countries are 202 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: all far away, but they do make up like thirteen 203 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 1: percent of the global economy. Yes they are important, Yeah, 204 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: thirteen percent of global domestic product and fifteen percent of 205 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 1: global trade. So it is important and the UK is 206 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: hoping that this will really spur they trade on a 207 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: platform globally. And Jared Lyons, a former adviser to Boris 208 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:48,119 Speaker 1: Johnson who is now an economist at net Wealth Investment Services, 209 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: He's been speaking to the paper and he says this 210 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: is something that would not have been possible if we 211 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: were still in the EU. And America was actually previously 212 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: a member of the Transpacific Partnership. And I don't know 213 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: if you remember this, but I remember working with you 214 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 1: on the very day when Donald Trump withdrew from that 215 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: partnership in twenty seventeen. But Britain already has bilateral ties 216 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 1: with more than half of the eleven members. We've just 217 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: outlined their caroline and that's all according to Bloomberg reporting. 218 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: But a lot of this is seen as something that 219 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: the UK is trying to build as we do see 220 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: a post brexit error. Yeah, I mean there's also real 221 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: concerns about what it means for food standards, for pesticides, etc. 222 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: But yeah, very very interesting to remember the TPP moment 223 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: with Donald Trump. Okay, let's talk about off JEM. The 224 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: Times has this headline off Gem threatens the Times over 225 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: prepaid meters expose. We talked about that Times reporting, didn't 226 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: we about, you know, when energy bills were going wild? Yeah, 227 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: we absolutely spoke about it, and it all seemed a 228 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: little bit unreal at the time. So now we've had 229 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: a little bit of time to break it down and 230 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to explain to you what's really going on. 231 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: And we do know that The Times did that big 232 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: expose on what exactly was going on. But now the 233 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: energy regulator off JEM is actually threatening the Times newspaper 234 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: and one of its journalists with criminal sanctions over what 235 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: they did expose when energy bills were just rocketing. The 236 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: regulators apparently sent the legal threats after the newspaper disclosed 237 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: at their agents working for British Gas were being sent 238 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: to break into homes and remember Caroline, they were forced 239 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: fitting these pre payment meters, which charge a lot more 240 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: for electricity, even when customers were known to have extreme 241 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: vulnerabilities and just couldn't pay their bills. And letters have 242 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: been sent to Paul Morgan Bentley, he's head of investigations 243 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: at the newspaper, and the newspaper itself saying they will 244 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: face fines if they o handover all of the reporters 245 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: relevant materials and the undercover footage that they did take. 246 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: But the Times it's just refusing to comply because obviously 247 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: they saying we have to protect journalistic material in a 248 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: democratic society. I listen, it seems like an odd fight 249 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: to wage with the newspaper, but yeah, I think it's 250 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: also important to highlight at the time that this was happening, 251 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: it wasn't illegal. What right the companies were No, no, 252 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: no companies, It wasn't illegal. They could get a warrant. 253 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: But I think things have now definitely solidified in light 254 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: of this, and different laws have been put into place, 255 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: and that could be the argument. But I mean, reporters 256 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: relevant materials is not something that's going to be handed over, 257 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: you know, without a massive fight. Yes, yeah, no, I 258 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: think it's interesting. I think also the reporting around it 259 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: was was very Yeah, it made a lot of waves, 260 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: didn't it, in the way that it was reported by 261 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: the Times. But anyway, the FT Wealth the UK savers 262 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: delay reed tarment in wake of the pension's shake up. 263 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: Is this actual evidence that the budget worked the world? Carolina? 264 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: Maybe it is evidence of keeping people in work. So 265 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: people with large pension pots are delaying retirement until the 266 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: new financial year and this is really to avoid the 267 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: hefty tax chargers. And this is according to advisors speaking 268 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: to the FT on the subject. And as you remember, 269 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: Caroline was here reporting on the budget late into the 270 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: day and measures were announced to remove tax charges of 271 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: up to fifty five percent on savers accessing pension pots 272 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: over a million pounds of the lifetime limit. And you know, 273 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: this was an unexpected scrapping. We had the budget leaked 274 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: for weeks, didn't we And it seems to have spurred 275 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: people into action. This is Bloomberg Daybreak. 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