Speaker 1: Recording today's episode. Yeah, we're not gonna spoil anything. There's
Speaker 1: gonna be no spoilers. We're just talking about like TV chatter,
Speaker 1: checking in on television.
Speaker 2: Hello, my name is Jason steps you and I'm marsday
Speaker 2: Night and welcome back to Xtra Vision of the podcast
Speaker 2: where we dive good to your favorite shows, movies, comics
Speaker 2: and pop culture.
Speaker 1: Coming from Ara Podcast. We're for you three episodes a week,
Speaker 1: every Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
Speaker 3: And maybe says.
Speaker 1: Maybe a mystery day, but this is like Saturday.
Speaker 3: Also maybe a little surprise for you. In today's episode,
Speaker 3: we are going to be checking our hype levels for
Speaker 3: some upcoming shows. Yellow Jacket season three, how are we
Speaker 3: feeling about it? After that stunning season one and a
Speaker 3: little bit less impressive season two? White low of season three?
Speaker 3: What do we think about that? How we feeling about
Speaker 3: that now? Jennifer Coolidge's spoiler a lot of season two?
Speaker 3: That sever and season two it's back baby, and they
Speaker 3: are ready to make your mind melt. It's very wild.
Speaker 3: And then we will be talking about the rise of
Speaker 3: spy stories in winter TV and how popular these have become.
Speaker 3: And then a little bit of a twist for you. Here, guys,
Speaker 3: we're gonna be talking about some winter reality TV. Just
Speaker 3: throw a little bit out there what we enjoy in,
Speaker 3: what's getting us through this terrible time.
Speaker 1: But first the air lock. Okay, here we are television,
Speaker 1: some big upcoming shows coming out or already out. Uh,
Speaker 1: and let's check our level of excitement for these. I
Speaker 1: guess let's start with seven season two, which is out. Now,
Speaker 1: it's already out, so let's it's already out. I've watched
Speaker 1: the first episode. I thought that the finale of season
Speaker 1: one one, and season one in general, was like great,
Speaker 1: great great. I was like, Okay, how long can they
Speaker 1: really take this Twilight Zone thing and make a full
Speaker 1: season out of it? And I was kind of blown
Speaker 1: away by how many really truly actually mind bending twists
Speaker 1: and turns there were, leading to a finale that had
Speaker 1: lots of huge reveals. If you haven't watched season one
Speaker 1: of Severn's on the Little Watched Little, subscribe to Apple
Speaker 1: TV plus network. We have talked about all the various
Speaker 1: ways you can.
Speaker 3: Get crazy to pay money. Just go to you.
Speaker 1: It's seriously, they will you walk into any place with
Speaker 1: an Apple product, and there's gonna be some way in
Speaker 1: that in that store where you can get an Apple
Speaker 1: TV Plus subscription for nothing. So seven season two, I'm excited.
Speaker 1: I liked it. I found it season so it's been
Speaker 1: what two years in season one.
Speaker 3: Which is a long almost three years. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Part of the delay was the double strikes actors and
Speaker 1: writers striking at the same time. Part of the delay
Speaker 1: was also that there was something of a power struggle
Speaker 1: or a creative struggle behind the scenes of this show,
Speaker 1: which is executive produced and show ran by Ben Stiller,
Speaker 1: writer director, comedian. Though all parties involved in that have
Speaker 1: apparently Kumbayad and yeah doing a whole press.
Speaker 3: Run because they've been doing a wild press run, a wild.
Speaker 1: Press one where they're like, listen, things happen and creative
Speaker 1: endeavors and we disagree and everything's fine. Yeah.
Speaker 3: They put the whole cost in a gloss box at
Speaker 3: Grand Central Station and had still of that taking pictures
Speaker 3: of them like a proud uncle as they did little
Speaker 3: bits in there for a few hours. So yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm very interested to see if they can live up
Speaker 3: to the hype.
Speaker 1: Season two first episode, I liked it. I'm excited to
Speaker 1: see where it goes. It felt a little bit like
Speaker 1: soft reboot stuff we've seen before, but it didn't build
Speaker 1: off of the finale of season one in the way
Speaker 1: I was totally expecting. But like, this is a show,
Speaker 1: I'm super interested. I'm I'm excited to get more answers.
Speaker 1: It does feel like we're kind of at the stage
Speaker 1: now it's been two years in season one. I know
Speaker 1: they're not thinking like that, but they maybe they should
Speaker 1: they have and I gotta have some fucking answers at
Speaker 1: some point, and.
Speaker 3: It's gotta happen. It's the yellow jacket conundrum. And I
Speaker 3: do think this is at the moment, I feel like
Speaker 3: we are in an interesting phase. I don't know what
Speaker 3: it means creatively or you know, morally, or what it
Speaker 3: reflects about our you know, current society, but we are
Speaker 3: in an interesting phase where we are just getting so
Speaker 3: many banger puzzle box shows where the first season you
Speaker 3: are like, I would die to see season two right now,
Speaker 3: Like I would, I would do terrible things if I
Speaker 3: could see season two. And alas, when season two comes,
Speaker 3: then you have to start answering the questions of the puzzle.
Speaker 3: I need them and we and that I think is
Speaker 3: definitely something that these shows are struggling with. But I
Speaker 3: do think that Severance has set up an interesting core
Speaker 3: conflict that will drive us through as we wait to
Speaker 3: set up those storylines and those answers. So I'm feeling
Speaker 3: positive the reviews of the positive. I'm excited.
Speaker 1: I guess we should for those of you who haven't
Speaker 1: seen it, yes, yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, try
Speaker 1: and do the non spoil us up. So there's a
Speaker 1: there's this company called Lumen. They do something. There's been
Speaker 1: a lot of conjecture about what the work they do is.
Speaker 1: But one of the conditions of working there, apparently, is
Speaker 1: that the workers undergo a process voluntarily which their consciousness
Speaker 1: is split, so that the person that goes when you
Speaker 1: go into the building, your consciousness flips over towards your
Speaker 1: worker side, called the INNI, who just works. And then
Speaker 1: when you leave the building, you're your audi. You're the
Speaker 1: regular person you are, and you don't know anything about
Speaker 1: what goes on at work. You're not stressed about it,
Speaker 1: you're not worried about it, you have no information about it.
Speaker 1: Both sides are not connected. Your INNI does not know
Speaker 1: what your audi does when they're outside, is only interested
Speaker 1: in work. Your Audi does not know anything about what
Speaker 1: your INNI is going through, the internal office politics, the
Speaker 1: drama therein the various types of work that you do.
Speaker 1: So there's been a lot of conjecture. I mean, the
Speaker 1: women's involved with like the Defense Department. Maybe they do
Speaker 1: something like some sort of top secret work. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's unknown, and so that's the setup.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely very interesting, and the core conflict comes
Speaker 3: in very early in the fun episode where you realized
Speaker 3: that while many people are happy to be an Innie
Speaker 3: and be in that space, Remember there is a great
Speaker 3: conversation about well, wait a minute, this means that the
Speaker 3: Innis experience life as if they never leave, they are
Speaker 3: only ever at work, Like what would that mean to
Speaker 3: just constantly only ever be conscious in work? Which was
Speaker 3: something I was unexpecting, that was unexpected for me and
Speaker 3: really drew me into that first season. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: excited to see where the second season goes.
Speaker 1: I liked it.
Speaker 3: I liked the first episode. I love to see Adam
Speaker 3: Scott having this critic career renaissance. I think he's one
Speaker 3: of our best generational TV actors. I love him in
Speaker 3: Parks and rec I love him in Party Down, it's
Speaker 3: fun to get to see him doing something more serious here,
Speaker 3: and yeah, great, great stuff, A very positive start to
Speaker 3: season two. But also I want those answers, what do they.
Speaker 1: I want those answers. I like this show because it
Speaker 1: is in part it's kind of a version of the
Speaker 1: teleporter problem, you know, like the Star Trek teleporter problem,
Speaker 1: where you know, how would a teleporter if it existed work?
Speaker 1: You step inside, you are taken apart, so you die.
Speaker 1: Your body is taken apart, molecule by molecule, and then
Speaker 1: on the other side they reassemble you perfectly, molecule by molecule.
Speaker 1: So when you go into the teleporter, you die, and
Speaker 1: then a person who comes out the other side, you
Speaker 1: are a clone with all of your memories that pick
Speaker 1: up right away, knowing that do you get into a
Speaker 1: teleporter and trust that on the other side you're the
Speaker 1: same person? And how would you even know? And I
Speaker 1: think that that is kind of the thing that's going
Speaker 1: on in severance. Like, on one hand, it sounds like
Speaker 1: the pitch could you could almost hear it would be
Speaker 1: pretty good? Hey, yeah, no, none of the take home stress,
Speaker 1: none of the worries about my boss said this, my
Speaker 1: boss said that I'm so pressed about like various projects,
Speaker 1: and now I can't enjoy my off time. Now you know,
Speaker 1: work life balance, it's perfectly separated. The downside is there's
Speaker 1: another person in there who's a version of you, who
Speaker 1: is you don't even know if they're happier in or what.
Speaker 1: So that's what severance is really cool in that effect.
Speaker 1: I will say I explained this show to my father
Speaker 1: in law, who was like, I'm out, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: watch that.
Speaker 3: He was like, absolutely fucking not.
Speaker 1: No. Next up, Yellowjackets season three slated to premiere February fourteenth.
Speaker 1: I am excited. The trailer came out a couple days ago,
Speaker 1: which is very exciting and very violent and very twisty,
Speaker 1: and I wonder if we're gonna get those answers. And
Speaker 1: this is here's the thing. My hype level is, give
Speaker 1: me the fucking answers.
Speaker 3: I will say they I love this show. I love
Speaker 3: everything about it. I could even when the second season
Speaker 3: was not necessarily hitting me in the same way. I
Speaker 3: do love these characters. The trailer got me very excited.
Speaker 3: It looks violent, it looks crazy. It looks like they
Speaker 3: know that audio because they use the disturbed song let
Speaker 3: the bodies hit the floor so they know we're all
Speaker 3: very men now. And that was very good why you
Speaker 3: know all that kind of business. But I will also
Speaker 3: say it was still posing some of the same questions
Speaker 3: we've had. It's the first season. They'll be like, somebody's
Speaker 3: trying to kill us? Who who is trying to kill you?
Speaker 3: Somebody's after us, somebody wants to know what happened in
Speaker 3: the forest. Who tell us? Who's the among you needs
Speaker 3: to know? We got to at least get a slight answer.
Speaker 3: I feel like they're ending up in a lost conundrum
Speaker 3: here where you're gonna have to start giving us something.
Speaker 3: But this is an unreal cast, unreal collection of creatives
Speaker 3: behind it, and it's always fun. So we will definitely
Speaker 3: be checking in with The Yellow Jacket season three. But
Speaker 3: me and Jason are here to employ you showtime. Give
Speaker 3: us some answers, give us the answers.
Speaker 1: Hype level lukewarm, give me the answers, Tell me the
Speaker 1: answers are coming, and I will get very high.
Speaker 3: Jason's like, I will heat up once you tell me
Speaker 3: that next up.
Speaker 1: Hype level to be determined for White Lotus season three,
Speaker 1: which will debut also in February, mid February and February sixteenth.
Speaker 3: These shows are coming soon.
Speaker 1: Here's my thing with White Lotus. I loved season one.
Speaker 1: In season two, though, I have many concerns, and they're
Speaker 1: the same ones that many people have written about, particular
Speaker 1: for season one, which you know is basically a steve's On,
Speaker 1: the wonderful character actor steve's On gives a speech in
Speaker 1: White Lotus season one. This is a mild spoiler. Here's
Speaker 1: our first mild spoiler for people that I've not seen
Speaker 1: White Loadas season in which he basically says, of, like
Speaker 1: all the kind of drama around me too and diversity
Speaker 1: and white supremacy and racism that was kind of coming
Speaker 1: to a head back when that show was being produced
Speaker 1: and come out, And he basically says, what am I
Speaker 1: going to do apologize for it? Like? What am I
Speaker 1: supposed to do? Like how do I just can I
Speaker 1: just like live my life? And you know, basically I'm paraphrasing,
Speaker 1: but this show is basically about that. It's a show
Speaker 1: show ran and written and directed by Mike White, very
Speaker 1: talented writer, producer and former Survivor contestant. He could have
Speaker 1: won that season he almost did win that season in
Speaker 1: which basically he's processing his love of going to tropical
Speaker 1: locations as a wealthy white guy and working through his
Speaker 1: feelings about how do the people who actually live in
Speaker 1: this place feel about this? How do I feel about this?
Speaker 1: What does it mean to be a very wealthy and
Speaker 1: privileged man in a different culture for two weeks and
Speaker 1: then leaving? And Season one plays with those ideas but
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily land them, but is tremendously entertaining. It doesn't
Speaker 1: land them and do you? And does it want to
Speaker 1: land them? And do we care? I thought it was
Speaker 1: a tremendous season and although very entertaining, a lot of
Speaker 1: the questions stick with me. Season two was more of
Speaker 1: a Jenner for Coolidge Romp, though I also loved it,
Speaker 1: with wonderful performances by many people. Character wonderful and season
Speaker 1: three is going to be set in Thailand. Now our
Speaker 1: super producer Aaron has some concerns. You know, this is
Speaker 1: a season one was set in was it Hawaii or Fiji?
Speaker 3: It was Hawaii.
Speaker 1: It was Hawaii, so America, though obviously a unique culture
Speaker 1: within the United States of America. Season two was set
Speaker 1: in Sicily, and didn't delve too much into There.
Speaker 3: Was a little bit of like cloth conversation, but not much,
Speaker 3: not much, not much.
Speaker 1: Season three were in it. We're uh, we're going to
Speaker 1: see so there are concerns. Also, apparently the production has
Speaker 1: hired some thie writers to make sure that everything is respectful.
Speaker 1: That's and I'm also I'm I like this show. I
Speaker 1: think this show explores class and wealth in a way
Speaker 1: that is really unique and different, and also, you know,
Speaker 1: sexual orientation in a way that is pretty unique, and
Speaker 1: so I'm exciting. I would say my hype level is
Speaker 1: pretty hyped. I'm hyped for this. I think that there's
Speaker 1: nothing quite like White Lotus on television.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's no.
Speaker 1: I have some misgivings at times.
Speaker 3: And it does draw an unbelievable cost, like this season's cost.
Speaker 3: It has a Natasha Rothwell coming back, who is one
Speaker 3: of my favorite most interesting characters from season one, so
Speaker 3: I'm interested to see that. And then you've got Carrie Coon,
Speaker 3: Walton Gligins, Leslie Big, Michelle Monahan, Parker Posey, Lisa from
Speaker 3: Black Pink, Jason Isaacs, Sarah Catherine Hook, Pat Trick, Schwarzenegger,
Speaker 3: Amy Lee would so many different big name actors. So
Speaker 3: it's gonna be interesting if maybe two seasons in a
Speaker 3: lot of very thoughtful critiques and a maybe a more
Speaker 3: diverse writers room or production space could see them deal
Speaker 3: with more of that. Any whatever happens, I'm just gonna
Speaker 3: miss Jennifer Coolidge because I don't have a lot of
Speaker 3: faith that the show is suddenly going to become like
Speaker 3: incredibly thoughtful. But I do want it to be incredibly interesting.
Speaker 1: I will say my main concern cultural stuff aside, is
Speaker 1: that this is the first non Coolidge season, So what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen.
Speaker 3: What's gonna happen? How do you live up to it?
Speaker 3: How do you live up to Coolidge?
Speaker 1: Now, our production team and you pitched what if they
Speaker 1: bring her twin?
Speaker 3: When? I love that theory. I think it's so silly
Speaker 3: and so fun. But you're a twin hater.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm an anti twin. I don't like obviously, like
Speaker 1: I've said this in parent Trap, where the setup is twins, Okay.
Speaker 3: Okay, if it's important and it's introduced, AI, you don't
Speaker 3: like a late stage twin reveal.
Speaker 1: I don't like, for instance, this isn't aside, but the
Speaker 1: one thing that really bothers me about a movie that
Speaker 1: I think is a masterpiece, There Will be Blood, is
Speaker 1: that all of a sudden, Paul Dano shows up and
Speaker 1: he's the same actor but playing a different character. I guess,
Speaker 1: like the character's twin question mark, and it's so like, wait,
Speaker 1: what what happened? Another version of this is it's not
Speaker 1: necessarily a twin, but in Deadwood, Garrett Della Hunt plays
Speaker 1: two characters in a show that only ran like a
Speaker 1: handful of seasons, and it's just so like, wait, why
Speaker 1: is this just give another happen?
Speaker 3: Guys?
Speaker 1: Anyway, that's an asign. But I'm but I'm excited what
Speaker 1: littus season three? Can't wait for it. We're going to
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Speaker 1: and then we'll be back with spy TV. The latest
Speaker 1: thing in tellvidon and we're back. Okay, Let's talk about
Speaker 1: some of the shows that we've been watching, some of
Speaker 1: the things that we really liked, and one of the
Speaker 1: things that we can't help but notice is that spy
Speaker 1: TV is here. There's a lot of spy shit on
Speaker 1: TV right now, and a lot of it is very good.
Speaker 3: Surprisingly good. I feel like it's either good to very good. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I feel like from you know, the lost great spy
Speaker 3: era we had was definitely like I like the grim
Speaker 3: and gray kind of seventies spy era. Obviously, James Bond
Speaker 3: has always been a popular spy, but I don't know
Speaker 3: that the genre itself has had a recite in popularity
Speaker 3: like we are having for a very long time when
Speaker 3: multiple successful, high profile press, these TV shows are sented
Speaker 3: around the idea of spies and I'm loving it.
Speaker 1: I'm loving it. Let's start at Netflix, which has several
Speaker 1: spy properties currently going. First up Man on the Inside
Speaker 1: from showrunner Mike Schure of Park Brooklyn, ninety nine, Rutherford Falls,
Speaker 1: The Good Place, Primo, Prima Prime, Amazon, Amazon Prime. Full disclosure.
Speaker 1: I worked on that show Primo with Mike, and several
Speaker 1: of the folks who worked on it with us are
Speaker 1: on Man on the Inside. So I feel very warmly
Speaker 1: about this particular program. But it is based on the
Speaker 1: Mole Agent twenty documentary film, and it's about a an
Speaker 1: older guy played by Ted Danson who goes undercovered a
Speaker 1: nursing home. And I'll say this, of the I think
Speaker 1: really good Man on the Inside. I th it's really
Speaker 1: and who many people are going to be very familiar
Speaker 1: with from a million different things, including cheers and other things.
Speaker 1: I think he does stuff in this that he's never
Speaker 1: done in his career. He goes to emotional places, and
Speaker 1: there's certain things like about you know, there's stuff in
Speaker 1: here about dementia and Alzheimer's aging in general that's very
Speaker 1: melancholy and sad, and he goes to those places seamlessly.
Speaker 1: He's wonderful. I think this is this show is really good,
Speaker 1: and it surprised me.
Speaker 3: This has been a show that a lot of people
Speaker 3: have texted me about and said, have you watched this show?
Speaker 3: Because it kind of Mike Shaw is really really really
Speaker 3: really really really great at finding new twists on genres
Speaker 3: you already know. And this is very much like a
Speaker 3: cozy mystery show, but in a way we've never seen one.
Speaker 3: It has the spy layer two. It's not inherently every
Speaker 3: week as a murder. It is more about this man's
Speaker 3: exploration of his own aging and kind of getting a
Speaker 3: second wind in life through this enigmatic new job and
Speaker 3: role that he takes on. And I just think it's
Speaker 3: absolutely charming and also a lot of the girlies. They
Speaker 3: got the ted dance and crush right now from this show.
Speaker 3: They've been texting me saying, this is daddy dancing like
Speaker 3: they are loving him. They are finding him very attractive
Speaker 3: in his old age, and I love that for them.
Speaker 3: And yeah, just the really really charming show. This does
Speaker 3: feel like, though it is on Netflix, it does feel
Speaker 3: like it could run for ten seasons, Like it has
Speaker 3: that feeling that it could just happen. Now, Netflix, You're
Speaker 3: not gonna likely get more than two seasons, but there's
Speaker 3: a lot in here that feels very much like a
Speaker 3: murder she wrote, or a Colombo or something that you
Speaker 3: could just watch again and again.
Speaker 1: Good camp. It's clearly something that Netflix is going for,
Speaker 1: that kind of cozy rewatch demo, to the point where
Speaker 1: I think, you know, they're probably leading the charge for
Speaker 1: this Man on the inside is not this type of content,
Speaker 1: but the type of content where it acknowledges that people
Speaker 1: are probably looking at their phone, fun screen content.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like a big thing Netflix has been pushing for.
Speaker 3: There's been a lot of controversy recently. Obviously, Mike Shure
Speaker 3: is way too famous for them to tell him to
Speaker 3: do that, but they have been telling. Certain newer content creators.
Speaker 1: Make it easier.
Speaker 3: It make it easier have people come on screen and
Speaker 3: describe what they're doing in case somebody is not looking
Speaker 3: at the TV. Now, this is not that content, but
Speaker 3: it is definitely rewatchable. I also love that there are
Speaker 3: all these nods like Tinker Taylor, Older Spy, Like all
Speaker 3: the titles are fun, your curious incident of the dog
Speaker 3: in the painting class and stuff like that. It's very fun.
Speaker 3: It's if you love spy movies, if you love mysteries,
Speaker 3: there's a lot in there for you. But it's also
Speaker 3: just actually like a really interesting show. And like many
Speaker 3: Mike Shuh shows, it will make you cry.
Speaker 1: Yes, it will make you cry. Next up, also on Netflix,
Speaker 1: is the I think really good Black Doves.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, so good, Like nobody expected it to
Speaker 3: be this good.
Speaker 1: It's soapy, it's violent, it's got some wonderful twists and turns,
Speaker 1: it has it. The ending, which I won't spoil, is
Speaker 1: an emotional hit. It's good.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so the setup is there's these group of spies
Speaker 1: called Black Doves. One of them is Helen played by
Speaker 1: Kieran Knightley, whose best gay colleague in the spy business.
Speaker 1: Sam played by Ben Wishaw is like a fucking Jason
Speaker 1: Bourne level, like a sassin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're just and he's so sassy and he's
Speaker 3: always like okay, darling, like he's just immediately the me.
Speaker 1: Is very very very like. He is very very sassy,
Speaker 1: and he's very much like, uh, you know, meeted person
Speaker 1: at a bar and is like, you know, we okay,
Speaker 1: shut up if you want a shag or not.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, exactly, like you want to hang out with
Speaker 3: him if he wasn't gonna kill you, but in a
Speaker 3: very efficient fashion. Kiara Knightley is like a highly trained
Speaker 3: assassin who's been under cover as the wife of a politician.
Speaker 3: And the way they introduce this in the opening is
Speaker 3: like so well done. But then when her sexy love
Speaker 3: like by Andrew Cogi, let me.
Speaker 1: Just say that here's not too sexy. Here's my note
Speaker 1: to the Black Doves a show. I like, why is
Speaker 1: Andrew Coggi dying in the first five minutes of the
Speaker 1: Please spoiler now? I just spoiled the first It's the
Speaker 1: the first five minutes of the of the series. But
Speaker 1: Andrew Coggi, he's got we do flash back to him.
Speaker 1: He's gotta be in Why is he dying this soon?
Speaker 3: He's too true, he's too good looking.
Speaker 1: This is not the first like we've Jennison Andrew too
Speaker 1: early in a project.
Speaker 3: He is a legend, he's so fantastic, and he is
Speaker 3: often underutilized.
Speaker 1: But this is a This is a really and a
Speaker 1: great twist on this spy franchise. Next up is this
Speaker 1: also a Netflix of The Night Agent? Next up, The
Speaker 1: Night Agent. It's coming back, It's coming back. Peter. FBI
Speaker 1: agent Peter Sutherland is in meshed in a conspiracy about
Speaker 1: whether or not there's a mole at the highest levels
Speaker 1: of the US government created by Sean Ryan of of
Speaker 1: Swat and the Shield Fame.
Speaker 3: So yeah, this is more of your Jack Reach esque.
Speaker 3: This is a bit of light actual heavy light.
Speaker 1: Action, kind of like standard fare, but still a lot
Speaker 1: of if it's not necessarily second screen viewing, but it
Speaker 1: kind of is.
Speaker 3: I think this is what they mean when they think
Speaker 3: about it. But I will say if you're more of
Speaker 3: a classical broadcast TV person, if you love a wolf
Speaker 3: Wolf production, if you are a Jack Reacher fan, this
Speaker 3: is definitely for you. It's also it hooks you in.
Speaker 3: It's very watchable based on the novel by Matthew Quirk,
Speaker 3: and it just got renewed for a third season because
Speaker 3: the second if you like.
Speaker 1: Seal Team, Yes, or.
Speaker 3: If you got to wait for CIA FBI, which was
Speaker 3: just a nounce, you're gonna.
Speaker 1: Then the Night Agent. It's in your wheelhouse, and it's
Speaker 1: pretty your wheelhouse next to next over at Paramount. I've
Speaker 1: been in love with this show, The Agency. It is
Speaker 1: an adaptation of the French show also excellent, Le Bureau
Speaker 1: de Layennes de Lellendees they just called The Bureau by
Speaker 1: Eric Rashwan about the DGS, the French version of the CIA.
Speaker 1: Don't I'll say this, all the seasons of The Bureau
Speaker 1: available to rent or pie. Don't watch it because the
Speaker 1: first season of the Agency is pretty much the first
Speaker 1: season of the Bureau, So don't watch it if you
Speaker 1: want to be spoiled in the Agency. Undercover CIA agent
Speaker 1: the Marsh just code named Martian played by Michael Fassbender,
Speaker 1: is brought out from his longtime undercover work in Adisa
Speaker 1: Baba where he fell in love with this lady. Love
Speaker 1: Air quotes something, look, he loves fucking this lady.
Speaker 3: He can't. Yeah, and not.
Speaker 1: Played by her name is Sammy played by Jodie Turner Smith.
Speaker 1: She's a very very accomplished his stories an academic in
Speaker 1: her country. And and basically there are a lot of ongoing,
Speaker 1: like geopolitical concerns that get upended because Martian can't stop
Speaker 1: thinking about this lady. He can't.
Speaker 3: He is obsessed.
Speaker 1: He is toly obsessed to the point that he like
Speaker 1: puts his daughter in danger.
Speaker 3: Problem.
Speaker 1: Does he betray his country? Does he cross various lines?
Speaker 1: Does he blow ongoing CIA operations because he just can't
Speaker 1: stop with this lady.
Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, And it's very fun to watch.
Speaker 1: It's very, very fun of twists and turns.
Speaker 3: An incredible cast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jeffrey Right, Richard, Richie, rich G is my wife
Speaker 1: calls him rich G. Katherine Waterston, India Fowl or the
Speaker 1: aforementioned Jodie Turnersmith. It's really good. It's wonderfully shot. The
Speaker 1: writing is great, directing is great. Obviously, cast this top notch.
Speaker 1: And it's a kind of a spy story that feels
Speaker 1: as the Bureau felt kind of ripped from the headlines,
Speaker 1: like the Bureau was set during events that were ongoing
Speaker 1: in the Syrian civil war and similarly, the agency is
Speaker 1: features like ongoing events in Ukraine and it feels very
Speaker 1: present and it's really good and something that our super
Speaker 1: producer Joelle mentioned that she likes about it, which I
Speaker 1: also like, is there's this fun wrinkle of like it's
Speaker 1: fun to think about like conspiracy theories and all the
Speaker 1: ways that like men in smoky rooms or making decisions
Speaker 1: or corporate boardrooms or like pulling the strings for various
Speaker 1: geopolitical events. This imagines a different thing, which is what
Speaker 1: if all these geopolitical events are happening because this one
Speaker 1: guy can't stop fucking this woman?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like why if men are just as like ridiculous
Speaker 3: in the spy world as they are in real life,
Speaker 3: Like they'll fuck up any shit, like it is not
Speaker 3: all planned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, mild spoiler. My One of my favorite wrinkles about
Speaker 1: this show is all these different you know, spies from
Speaker 1: different agencies that come across Martian that intersect with him
Speaker 1: at various points in the story are like calling him
Speaker 1: out and roasting him about how come on, this is
Speaker 1: really just about like like like can't you just like
Speaker 1: find somebody? Are you good?
Speaker 3: Dude?
Speaker 1: Like what's going on? Like all this because of this
Speaker 1: Lady anyway, really fun show that I'm enjoying a lot.
Speaker 1: Next up on Peak Hawk is the television serialization of
Speaker 1: the famous Day of the Jackal book movie. Several movies
Speaker 1: have been made about Day of the Jackal in which
Speaker 1: the basic story is this super assassin code named the Jackal,
Speaker 1: has been set in motion to assassinate somebody, and how
Speaker 1: do you stop this person who no one even knows
Speaker 1: who he is? Another excellent cast Eddie Redmain, Lashawna Lynch,
Speaker 1: Orsilla Corbero, Richard Dormer, Charles Dance Backadomics, again adapted from
Speaker 1: the book Day of the Jackal bio Fredrick Forsyth, which
Speaker 1: was a hit back in the sixties. You maybe have
Speaker 1: seen the movies that have been made for me.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say as well, like this one was
Speaker 3: one where everyone was like, why would you remake this?
Speaker 1: That they have the story?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but don't worry, it's actually again it's this kind
Speaker 3: of mix of like soapy action, cat and mouse drama.
Speaker 3: I also do think there's something interesting that as we
Speaker 3: talk about all of these where this era of spies
Speaker 3: are very much about the humanity and the wrinkles that
Speaker 3: being a human brings in what is a relationship?
Speaker 1: What does it do to you?
Speaker 3: And also how do you still fuck it up by
Speaker 3: just like falling in love with someone, which is a
Speaker 3: point of many of these, and and like what does
Speaker 3: it feel like to end up in a killing eve
Speaker 3: sque kind of cat and mouse situation like Day of
Speaker 3: the Jackal. It's been very interesting to see that because
Speaker 3: I do think that is quite unique to our era
Speaker 3: of spy movies, which is these are not like great,
Speaker 3: pot fully professional, perfect, soulless assassins. Actually these are humans
Speaker 3: who have taken on this role and what does it
Speaker 3: do to them? And I do think that's pretty interesting.
Speaker 3: And the very human one is on next one soda. Yes,
Speaker 3: that's right, So David the Jackal.
Speaker 1: If you've seen either of the Day of the Jackal films,
Speaker 1: don't worry because while you.
Speaker 3: This is definitely a twist, you will.
Speaker 1: Under while you know the basic setup, right, it goes
Speaker 1: places that you're not expecting. And it's not like a
Speaker 1: it's not like a situation where they took the book
Speaker 1: and then they cut it up into ten pieces and
Speaker 1: made a show. It it's not that like it's it's
Speaker 1: a basically a different story and really really fun. Up
Speaker 1: next on Prime Amazon Prime Video is the spy story
Speaker 1: of the Weak Style show Mister and Missus Smith, loosely
Speaker 1: based on the movie of the same name, starring famously
Speaker 1: Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt, the movie during which their
Speaker 1: relationship began and then.
Speaker 3: Chemistry has off. The shots in that movie like you
Speaker 3: can just feel the adultery.
Speaker 1: Whiles was was attached to someone else famous the wonderful
Speaker 1: Jenniver Acid famously wonderful Jennifer anisid but he just couldn't resist.
Speaker 1: They couldn't stop anyway. Mister and Missus Smith starring uh,
Speaker 1: the incredibly talented Donald Glover and the incredibly talented Meyer
Speaker 1: Erskine as the aforementioned Mister and Missus Smith, two undercover
Speaker 1: agents that are kind of put together in this cover
Speaker 1: of a married couple and that they go on. Each
Speaker 1: episode is like its own little mission. It's a really
Speaker 1: unique twist on it in that it is a mission
Speaker 1: of the week. There's kind of there's an overwatching story
Speaker 1: which is mainly their relationship and how it evolves over
Speaker 1: the course of these missions. But each episode is it's
Speaker 1: like an episode of the Hulk, you know, the incredible
Speaker 1: you know, goes to a different town and does it
Speaker 1: all over again.
Speaker 3: And also it has it differently original. Mister and missus
Speaker 3: Smith is like, what if two people who were married
Speaker 3: found out that they were both spies who had to
Speaker 3: kill each other? Essentially paraphrasing the plot of like a
Speaker 3: two hour movie. This is what if you were two
Speaker 3: spies who have to pretend to be married to do
Speaker 3: your missions. But of course that then leads to the
Speaker 3: everyone loves a fake relationship, fake dating plot, So this
Speaker 3: is definitely in that space. Interestingly, this was the one,
Speaker 3: and I think you can really feel it when you
Speaker 3: watch the show. This was originally a Donald Glover Phoebe
Speaker 3: waller Bridge show, but I love my Asky and I
Speaker 3: was very happy to see her hair. Yeah, this is
Speaker 3: definitely the most human Indiana Jones. How did that go?
Speaker 1: Indiana Jones and the Old Men of Destiny? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know it was it. I think she did right,
Speaker 1: I think she did.
Speaker 3: I think it was she dropped out for some reason,
Speaker 3: maybe creative differences I remember hearing, but also she was
Speaker 3: in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny ironically actually
Speaker 3: written by uh the two brother playwrights Bartoworth and John
Speaker 3: Henry Baroworth, who wrote The Agency, which is far better
Speaker 3: than Indiana Jones and The Dial of Destiny. Ironically, we
Speaker 3: are kind of ending with I think the show that
Speaker 3: has been slowly paving the way for the spyros subject
Speaker 3: over the last five years.
Speaker 1: I think you're right, and that is Apple TV Plus's
Speaker 1: Slow Horses. This is adapted by the incredibly numerous novel
Speaker 1: series by Nick Hern. There are so many Slow Horses books.
Speaker 3: Yeah, called slough House, which is slough House, so sloows
Speaker 3: a bosted ass place in England.
Speaker 1: So slough House is like where they send the five
Speaker 1: agents who fuck up but are still useful for something
Speaker 1: like going through a subject's trash, the dirty jobs, the
Speaker 1: low level jobs that nobody else at m I five
Speaker 1: wants to do. They send these very US spies who
Speaker 1: have either blown it on a mission, blown it in
Speaker 1: a training mission, have debilitating character defects, whatever the case
Speaker 1: may be. They're sent to Slows and this kind of
Speaker 1: ragtag band of outcast spies finds themselves at the forefront
Speaker 1: of various mysteries over the multiple seasons which this show
Speaker 1: has undergone, I will say to me, I hope that
Speaker 1: the producers of Slow Horses won't take this in a
Speaker 1: bad way. This is second screen viewing for me. Like
Speaker 1: it's I think it's great. I think the performances are wonderful,
Speaker 1: most notably Gary Oldman as the burping and farting and
Speaker 1: smoking John Lamb.
Speaker 3: The Yeah, he's old school, rumpled kind of Shenan's guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the coffee farts all the time in the show.
Speaker 3: So much stop bowing please. But it does have Olivia
Speaker 3: Cook we love well, we love her in this show.
Speaker 1: Yet I love her on the show, although I will
Speaker 1: say she exits in mysterious circumstances, probably to do House
Speaker 1: of the Dragon, and I.
Speaker 3: See, Yes, that is what it feels like. Kristen Scott
Speaker 3: Thomas obviously another legend. Hugo Weaving. Yeah, Jack Clouden is
Speaker 3: very handsome. Jack Louden, He's definitely a one of those
Speaker 3: guys kind of guy.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I die, I cannot one of those guys guys.
Speaker 3: It's I do feel you. This is a show that
Speaker 3: I do think. The kind of like slow nature of
Speaker 3: the show. It was definitely a slow burn hit for
Speaker 3: Apple TV. Plus it was also like and I do
Speaker 3: think that does make it that kind of TV viewing
Speaker 3: where if you're not immediately hooked by the characters and
Speaker 3: want to spend time with them, you could probably zone
Speaker 3: in and out, read a little book, eat your dinner.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a Suits It feels like a Suits type.
Speaker 3: I know, which is very ironic because the tone of
Speaker 3: it is not suits at all, you know, like that's
Speaker 3: like this shiny thing. But you can watch Suits for
Speaker 3: like seven hours while you're doing other stuff. Also, this
Speaker 3: show has been so popular on Apple TV that there
Speaker 3: already three spinoffs available aside from the four shows, Yeah,
Speaker 3: Dead Lions, Real Tigers and Spook Street and uh Yeah
Speaker 3: in very interesting ninety eight percent on Rotten Tomorrow is
Speaker 3: definitely our highest reviewed one, and this is very popular
Speaker 3: in our discord. This was the first spy show I
Speaker 3: really saw people talking about, so it's kind of interesting
Speaker 3: that this one kind of paved the way at Apple TV. Plus,
Speaker 3: there must have been other execs going, Okay, how is
Speaker 3: this show getting on the best of every year? Like,
Speaker 3: what do we need to do? Like? And the idea
Speaker 3: is do some.
Speaker 1: I will say, is not about slow horses. A show
Speaker 1: I really like. I love that it has Christopher Chung
Speaker 1: playing Roddy Ho, the hacker character, their hacker character, as
Speaker 1: a series regular. He's in every episode and I love that.
Speaker 1: I love to see that. I am somewhat sad that
Speaker 1: we've waited all these years for I have waited all
Speaker 1: these years for a Asian to be in a spy story,
Speaker 1: a spy show, recurring character in a spy show. And
Speaker 1: he is true the most abrasive, annoying guy ever on television.
Speaker 1: His character is the most annoying human being there's ever
Speaker 1: been put to uh television screens. It's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I will also say as well, like any I
Speaker 3: do struggle with any show that is like, when you
Speaker 3: live in London, you realize like it's very unlikely that
Speaker 3: you would get a show like this that kind of
Speaker 3: doesn't really have a lot of like central characters who
Speaker 3: are people of color, Like it's it just it doesn't
Speaker 3: feel realistic to living in London, and I do always
Speaker 3: find that interesting though, I do. I do appreciate that
Speaker 3: they you know, they do have terrorists who are white
Speaker 3: supremacists and stuff like that, so they're definitely trying to
Speaker 3: do it. But the show has spoiler alert. Yeah, years years.
Speaker 3: But the guy also, I will say, like the show
Speaker 3: has been hilariously like embraced by people who just love TV,
Speaker 3: but it's also been embraced as like an anti woke
Speaker 3: show just because of how gross Gary Oldman is. And
Speaker 3: I'm like, guys, if that's all it takes is you
Speaker 3: just need a gross white guy like.
Speaker 1: That old Maps. There's legitimately a pull my finger in
Speaker 1: this growth.
Speaker 3: I think this is all very anti James Bond. You know.
Speaker 3: It's not the cool, collected, like sexy, reprobate spy who
Speaker 3: goes around killing people. These are kind of like the
Speaker 3: grotesque like people who get things done in the back
Speaker 3: alleys of London.
Speaker 1: Against all eyes against These spies kind of get it
Speaker 1: done when they're not even supposed to do and they've
Speaker 1: got significant opponents n M I five itself who don't
Speaker 1: respect what slow House is and fine, and you know
Speaker 1: consider it a holding, you know, pen or spies on
Speaker 1: their way out and give them the high hand a lot.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of a lot of that in this show.
Speaker 1: But it's a wonderful it's very wonderfully based breezy show.
Speaker 1: It's it's not a like one of those shows where
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm gonna be thinking about this one. It's
Speaker 1: a good television show period, great performances, wonderful performances, good show,
Speaker 1: Apple TV Plus. And I think you're right. It's been
Speaker 1: running for what three seasons now.
Speaker 3: I think the fifth fourth season's coming out soon, so
Speaker 3: I think the fourth season just finished.
Speaker 1: We're on season four now, and I think you're right
Speaker 1: that it's success kind of like paved the way for
Speaker 1: some of the spy material that we're seeing.
Speaker 3: Now, especially a lot of the spy shows are set
Speaker 3: in London, and this is the London Spy Show. So
Speaker 3: I think that's just British TV is really feeling this
Speaker 3: motif right now, this theme why spies, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think that's an interesting question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, welly now, I think it's just a and I
Speaker 1: think it just happens, you know. I remember it was now,
Speaker 1: you know, probably a decade plus a couple of decades
Speaker 1: ago where we started to get like fire department shows.
Speaker 3: It was like, yeah, like lots of fire department TV,
Speaker 3: you know, like TV Cops or can We've done it?
Speaker 1: But like what about the fire department? And I think
Speaker 1: that just as this is just one of those, it's
Speaker 1: not It hasn't really been explored that much on television,
Speaker 1: certainly not on network television. That yatch and I think
Speaker 1: Slow Horses kind of showed that there's a way to
Speaker 1: do it. And now everybody is coming in with with
Speaker 1: their versions. And you know, the Tinker Taylor BBC adaptation
Speaker 1: happened in the seventies was a big, big hit, and
Speaker 1: I think people are now rediscovering, Oh wait a second,
Speaker 1: We've got all this spy material. There's Frederick forsythe.
Speaker 3: Gary Oldman within a remake John, Yeah, there's was really popular.
Speaker 1: Alan first, like there's there's a lot of Graham Green.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of spy material out there to be mined.
Speaker 1: And I think people are realizing, oh wait a second.
Speaker 1: Forty years ago the BBC had a hit with this,
Speaker 1: why don't we try and serialize some of these or
Speaker 1: make our own spy programs. And I think that's what's
Speaker 1: happening now. And I will say I'm a big fan
Speaker 1: of the spy novel, so this is great for me personally.
Speaker 3: I appreciate this guy. Personally.
Speaker 1: I love a good spy novel. I read them all
Speaker 1: the time. I read so many of them constantly. Two
Speaker 1: of my favorite books of last year were spy novels,
Speaker 1: and I just can't say so this is great for me.
Speaker 1: The Torque Man, which is an epistolary novel set during
Speaker 1: World War Two. It's it's basically told through a novel
Speaker 1: and a journal that are found in the kind of
Speaker 1: destroyed ruins of Germany after World War Two, and they
Speaker 1: piece this story together that way, and it's I won't
Speaker 1: spoil any of it. It's great. I was blown away
Speaker 1: by it. It's one of my favorite books that I
Speaker 1: read recently, The Torque Man, and then The Scarlet Papers,
Speaker 1: which is about a kind of late middle aged career
Speaker 1: going nowhere academic who lectures on espionage, who gets sucked
Speaker 1: into a scheme by which apparently not a famous but
Speaker 1: like a well known spy in the industry who's been
Speaker 1: working since the Cold War, wants to publish their autobiography
Speaker 1: through him, wants to the aforementioned Scarlet Papers, wants to
Speaker 1: hand him this manuscript. And there's a lot of twists
Speaker 1: and turns that come through that it starts. The first
Speaker 1: third of it feels very much like the British The Office,
Speaker 1: in which this guy who wishes that his life we're
Speaker 1: different and is stuck in like middle management, gets sucked
Speaker 1: into something bigger and makes a lot Like there's a
Speaker 1: lot of these guy fucking up in a very relatable
Speaker 1: way where you cringe a little bit, And that's kind
Speaker 1: of not an experience that I've had reading a Spine novel,
Speaker 1: and then it goes places that are just like wow,
Speaker 1: I can't believe this too great wos So those are
Speaker 1: two of my favorite books last year. We're gonna take
Speaker 1: a break and we come back. We're going to talk
Speaker 1: a little bit more TV. Okay, and we're back. Let's
Speaker 1: briefly talk about some reality television. I'm a big fan
Speaker 1: of reality television series and other uh similarly themed reality shows.
Speaker 1: I used to watch. I used to be a big
Speaker 1: Big Brother person. I've since fallen away. It was a
Speaker 1: big The Challenge person in my youth. I watched all
Speaker 1: of the MTV The Challenge stuff, and I will check
Speaker 1: back in on it still in that vein.
Speaker 3: An amazing race, amazing race guy.
Speaker 1: I am a somewhat of an amazing race guy. Yes
Speaker 1: a little bit. Now. There is a new Ish reality
Speaker 1: show called The Traders on Peacock and that show. If
Speaker 1: you are a fan of Survivor, The Amazing Race, The
Speaker 1: Housewives franchise and TVs The Challenge, Australian Survivor, any of
Speaker 1: these kind of ongoing, long running you know, Love Island,
Speaker 1: The Bachelor, all of these like ongoing reality franchises, then
Speaker 1: you will like The Traders, hosted by the fantastic alen Coming.
Speaker 3: I love him so much. He is the reason I watch.
Speaker 3: He is the reason I watch now.
Speaker 1: The Traders is basically if you've ever played like the
Speaker 1: party game Mafia Werewolves, Yeah, yeah, which in which you
Speaker 1: know you have a bunch of people two people are
Speaker 1: werewolfs and at night they kill someone and then in
Speaker 1: the daytime everybody has to figure out who the were
Speaker 1: wolf is. That's basically Traders Now. It took me a
Speaker 1: little while to get into it because as a Survivor fan,
Speaker 1: I found like a lot of the b roll in
Speaker 1: the setup to be absolutely ridiculous. That said Kenny, who
Speaker 1: is my manager, who you know as well, Yes.
Speaker 3: He walked with us to get this X ray vision.
Speaker 1: Yeah. In many people were like, you gotta watch The Trader.
Speaker 3: You like Survivor, you.
Speaker 1: Got you gotta watch it, And then he got into it,
Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, I'm watching. I love it, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I've had a lot of trouble getting
Speaker 1: into it. He's He's like, here's what I do. I
Speaker 1: just watch the scheming parts when they go to there's
Speaker 1: a challenge section where they go out into a field
Speaker 1: and go, you know whatever, eat something gross, or go
Speaker 1: find you know, the hidden stuff out in the woods.
Speaker 1: He calls it. Kenny refers to that segment as Hopscotch.
Speaker 1: He's like, I fast forward through Hopscotch and then I
Speaker 1: just watch them scheming and lying to each other and
Speaker 1: trying to figure out who the trader is. I started
Speaker 1: doing that, and guess what, I'm now three seasons in.
Speaker 1: It is really wonderful. And I think one of the
Speaker 1: things that I found most interesting is that this season
Speaker 1: there's been a number of Survivor players on it, as
Speaker 1: there happened in the past, and it's been interesting to
Speaker 1: me to see how emotional people get when they get
Speaker 1: booted from the show, because everybody thinks they're a trader,
Speaker 1: but then it turns out they're not. They're what, yeah,
Speaker 1: what are termed in the show of Faithful And I
Speaker 1: think that part of it is really part of what
Speaker 1: has hooked me about this show.
Speaker 3: It is really a very very emotionally invested in what
Speaker 3: is essentially like a kid's party game, but the way
Speaker 3: that they make it feel so huge. Also, I will say, guys,
Speaker 3: if you like The Traders and you wish there was
Speaker 3: more of it, there is an English version of The
Speaker 3: Traders that you can watch English, which was the original
Speaker 3: version I believe, though I will say I do think
Speaker 3: that Alan Cumming version slightly top six. I just love it.
Speaker 3: But the last season of the English version did have
Speaker 3: a very iconic cast member called Diane that people are
Speaker 3: obsessed with, So if you want to check that out,
Speaker 3: that's also good. Jason, what are some other reality TV
Speaker 3: shows you've been watching lately? Old? I think because there's
Speaker 3: so many. I watch a lot of Bag Girls Club
Speaker 3: in my house, very problematic but just very addictive. There's
Speaker 3: actually a Bag Girls Club channel now on Pluto and
Speaker 3: Roku TV, so that does come on more often than not.
Speaker 1: I watch because Christina watches a lot of it. I
Speaker 1: watch a lot of Love Is Blind, yes, very popular,
Speaker 1: which I find to be one the most amazing and insane, derange,
Speaker 1: unhinged absolutely deranged and love unhinged behavior. I used to
Speaker 1: be big in the Housewives. I used to watch a
Speaker 1: lot of New Jersey Housewives. I used to watch a
Speaker 1: lot of Orange County Housewives I have. I used to
Speaker 1: watch with a lot of Atlanta Housewives. I've watched some
Speaker 1: Potomac Housewives. Now that I'm saying, and I'm realizing I've
Speaker 1: watched more Housewives than I realized.
Speaker 3: But I need to watch the Newest Housewives season because
Speaker 3: my absolute favorite bride of Chucky herself has joined the
Speaker 3: Housewives because she believed it would be an exceptionally campy
Speaker 3: thing to do, and it is, and she's incredibly, incredibly
Speaker 3: wealthy from gambling professionally. So part of the great moments
Speaker 3: that I've seen so far is like she will come
Speaker 3: into the Housewives space with a handbag and then all
Speaker 3: the two camera bits just all the other housewives going,
Speaker 3: you don't understand that fucking hamdbag is like a million
Speaker 3: dollar piece of handbag that they only made like two of.
Speaker 3: So I need to check in properly rather than just
Speaker 3: watching bits on tap.
Speaker 1: I also watch Survivor. I've been a long time fan
Speaker 1: of Survivor since the beginning I will say that the
Speaker 1: most recent season, forty seven was instantly one of the
Speaker 1: best seasons in the show's history. I'd say it's a
Speaker 1: top twelve season, top ten season, one of the best
Speaker 1: new casts we've seen, and it's clearly, clearly, clearly. Season
Speaker 1: forty was kind of like a big demarcation point for
Speaker 1: the show, in which they took all they did like
Speaker 1: a basically a winners only season. Everybody who was on
Speaker 1: that season had had won a previous season, and since
Speaker 1: then they've done all new casts and this is the
Speaker 1: best post forty season, season forty seven. So you can
Speaker 1: probably watch that on Paramount Plus if you have if
Speaker 1: you have your paramoun Plus subscription.
Speaker 3: You can also. I was gonna say join on Discord
Speaker 3: because people, we have a Survivor channel and there are
Speaker 3: a lot of surviv aheads in the Discord.
Speaker 1: Now here's the level of Survivor fan I am. I pay? Well,
Speaker 1: should I admit this? Actually there's nobody I pay for
Speaker 1: a VPN so that I can watch Australian Survivor. It
Speaker 1: is basically the only thing I use it for.
Speaker 3: I love that so much. If anyone has a problem
Speaker 3: with that, just send Jason the episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the new season on ten play coming out in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. They've only said, but it looks like
Speaker 1: a pretty big deal this upcoming season. I believe it's
Speaker 1: a Survivor Mamia. It is a It is a brains
Speaker 1: versus bron so basically a smart people versus muscleheads. Here's
Speaker 1: the thing about him Bo. Here's what I'll say about
Speaker 1: Australian Survivor. I watch it on the tenplay website, which
Speaker 1: has a lot of great reality show content from that
Speaker 1: part of the world, Asia and the surrounding areas. I
Speaker 1: will here's the one thing about that's funny about Tenplay.
Speaker 1: Every so often, when I log in to watch an
Speaker 1: episode of Australian Survivor, it'll ask me, Hey, you're not
Speaker 1: using a VPN, are you, And I will be like no,
Speaker 1: I click no, of course not, okay, No, I live
Speaker 1: I live in Brisbane. What are you talking about? I
Speaker 1: eat it hungry Jacks like everybody else. I love hungry Jacks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like I just love Australia.
Speaker 1: I've learned a lot about Australian culture through the commercials
Speaker 1: on the on the ten play app. But I will
Speaker 1: say Aushan Survivor is very very good. It incredible production value.
Speaker 1: There is something I think about Australian culture in which
Speaker 1: an American Survivor. It's about the every person. Every you
Speaker 1: get a person from every kind of walk of life,
Speaker 1: young student, the retired homemaker, the news anchor person, the
Speaker 1: blue collar delivery person, right gay straight on Australian Survivor.
Speaker 1: It's very important number one that everybody be like pretty
Speaker 1: physically fit. So even like the older characters who they've
Speaker 1: had on the show are like two time Olympian gold
Speaker 1: medalists who swung the swum the English channel several times
Speaker 1: when they were like younger and are still in incredible shape.
Speaker 1: They have had like multiple whatever their football is over there,
Speaker 1: like multiple times all stars in AFL or whatever their
Speaker 1: version of Australian football is over there. So they'll have
Speaker 1: like these incre like surfer professional surfers, and it's much
Speaker 1: more like physically based, like there's a lot of like
Speaker 1: heavy duty. They love to see people like slamming into
Speaker 1: each other. That said, really really fun show with some
Speaker 1: wonderful scheming and some great characters. Shout out to King
Speaker 1: George of Survivor, who are incredible one of the greatest
Speaker 1: Survivor players ever. But those are the ones I watch.
Speaker 1: Do you watch any reality TV? Oh and vander Pump
Speaker 1: Rules obviously.
Speaker 3: Yeah. My sister and some of my best friends are
Speaker 3: very into reality TV, so I have gotten into it.
Speaker 3: I would say the big ones at the moment, any
Speaker 3: of the selling Sunset franchise. My sister is extremely into those.
Speaker 3: So there was a recent new one that started selling
Speaker 3: the city all about New York, which if you thought
Speaker 3: that LA prices were horrific, wait until you watch they're
Speaker 3: selling the city. It's grotesque. That's nine million dollar listing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm also a big fan. These are a more standard
Speaker 3: network fair but I love like a cooking show. I
Speaker 3: watch a lot of like you know, guys, grocery games
Speaker 3: and stuff like that, less ongoing lore in those shows.
Speaker 3: British Show, Great British Baking show. I love that. I
Speaker 3: love these kind of older British as like Rick Stein.
Speaker 3: That motherfucker's going to some nice places he's seeing like
Speaker 3: he's like my secret France and you're like, yeah, but
Speaker 3: just never watch him go outside of europecause then you're
Speaker 3: like you're an old white guy. I don't know if
Speaker 3: this was the best choice for you. Another big one
Speaker 3: has definitely been As I was saying, I do watch
Speaker 3: a lot of like old reality TV shows, but my
Speaker 3: sister did and many of my friends implored me to
Speaker 3: watch The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Have you watched that, Jason,
Speaker 3: So you gotta watch it. You gotta watch it. It's
Speaker 3: actually it's intentionally made as a second screen show because
Speaker 3: this is the setup for the show. It follows a
Speaker 3: group of Mormon Mum influencers after they implode when they
Speaker 3: get caught in the midst of a swinging sex scandal.
Speaker 3: But the show is not The show is set afterwards,
Speaker 3: but there is no season about it. You have to
Speaker 3: go on TikTok. You have to go on the internet
Speaker 3: and read about the law of the swinging sex scandal
Speaker 3: to watch the show about the four out. My sister
Speaker 3: knew all about the sex scandal from TikTok beforehand, so
Speaker 3: that was a very unique situation. And if any of
Speaker 3: you have been seeing the trend at the moment for
Speaker 3: dirty sodas, they've just started opening dirty soda shops in LA.
Speaker 3: This is something that comes from the Mormon community because
Speaker 3: these women cannot drink so they'd be going out, Jason,
Speaker 3: and they're swinging with their friends, husbands or whatever. Good
Speaker 3: for them. I love that for you, that's fine. But
Speaker 3: what I do not condone is that they go into
Speaker 3: like a you know, a raceway or racetrack or whatever
Speaker 3: your seven eleven equivalent is, and they make like a soda,
Speaker 3: but they put like creamer in it, and they put
Speaker 3: like marshmallow fluff in it, and they may derange old
Speaker 3: school egg cream, kind of like an egg cream, but
Speaker 3: like a new version. And it's because they can't drink,
Speaker 3: they make these deranged things. So they'll go and they'll
Speaker 3: get a coke and it will have like seven pumps
Speaker 3: of cherry marshmallow fluff. That was what really shocked me
Speaker 3: about that show, not the swinging sex scandal, and that
Speaker 3: has actually been so popular on Hulu that they're now
Speaker 3: going to start playing it on ABC at ten PM
Speaker 3: on Mondays from like the twenty seventh, so next next week. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so very interesting. I'm definitely I'm a reality TV like
Speaker 3: I'm a newbie. I'm on the edge, but any of
Speaker 3: the big ones vand of Pump Rules, I have some
Speaker 3: of my best friends loved that show, so I got
Speaker 3: very into it on the season after the cheating scandal,
Speaker 3: the Scandalval scandal, of course, and I deeply deeply hate
Speaker 3: that guy.
Speaker 1: Tom Tom Sandoval. See him on the Traders. Sure you
Speaker 1: can go watch him on Traders, and it's great.
Speaker 3: It's everything's really an evil passic. Also another one that
Speaker 3: is like one of those shows where I feel bad
Speaker 3: when I watch it because I know it's just not
Speaker 3: a well, like it's not a healthy environment for anyone
Speaker 3: on the show. But Nightie Day Fiance another one that
Speaker 3: my sister is very very into that if it's on,
Speaker 3: I will occasionally watch. But that's one of those ones
Speaker 3: where I literally, like Bad Girls Club, I'm feeling guilty
Speaker 3: because I'm like, I know, there was no duty of
Speaker 3: care like that get paid like night that get paid
Speaker 3: like ninety dollars a day for incidentals and they are
Speaker 3: probably being plied with alcohol and booze and just making
Speaker 3: like terrible decisions. But ironically, I actually indulge in most
Speaker 3: reality TV watching via like Instagram or TikTok because of
Speaker 3: the clips. So yeah, that's it. Do you like reality TV?
Speaker 3: I would say, like, hit us up if you do,
Speaker 3: because our discord definitely does, and it's fun to talk
Speaker 3: about different kinds of TV and the way different kinds
Speaker 3: of TV gets made. So I'm stoked that we were
Speaker 3: able to do a little winter reality TV check in.
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