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Speaker 2: Hello, my name is Jason steps you and I'm marsday

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Speaker 2: Night and welcome back to Xtra Vision of the podcast

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Speaker 2: where we dive good to your favorite shows, movies, comics

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Speaker 2: and pop culture.

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Speaker 1: Coming from Ara Podcast. We're for you three episodes a week,

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Speaker 1: every Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.

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Speaker 3: And maybe says.

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Speaker 1: Maybe a mystery day, but this is like Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Also maybe a little surprise for you. In today's episode,

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Speaker 3: we are going to be checking our hype levels for

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Speaker 3: some upcoming shows. Yellow Jacket season three, how are we

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Speaker 3: feeling about it? After that stunning season one and a

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Speaker 3: little bit less impressive season two? White low of season three?

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Speaker 3: What do we think about that? How we feeling about

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Speaker 3: that now? Jennifer Coolidge's spoiler a lot of season two?

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Speaker 3: That sever and season two it's back baby, and they

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Speaker 3: are ready to make your mind melt. It's very wild.

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Speaker 3: And then we will be talking about the rise of

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Speaker 3: spy stories in winter TV and how popular these have become.

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Speaker 3: And then a little bit of a twist for you. Here, guys,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna be talking about some winter reality TV. Just

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Speaker 1: But first the air lock. Okay, here we are television,

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Speaker 1: some big upcoming shows coming out or already out. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and let's check our level of excitement for these. I

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Speaker 1: of Severn's on the Little Watched Little, subscribe to Apple

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Speaker 3: Get crazy to pay money. Just go to you.

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Speaker 1: It's seriously, they will you walk into any place with

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Speaker 1: Hype level to be determined for White Lotus season three,

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Speaker 3: Wolf production, if you are a Jack Reacher fan, this

434
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Speaker 3: is definitely for you. It's also it hooks you in.

435
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 3: It's very watchable based on the novel by Matthew Quirk,

436
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Speaker 3: and it just got renewed for a third season because

437
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Speaker 3: the second if you like.

438
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Speaker 1: Seal Team, Yes, or.

439
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Speaker 3: If you got to wait for CIA FBI, which was

440
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Speaker 3: just a nounce, you're gonna.

441
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Speaker 1: Then the Night Agent. It's in your wheelhouse, and it's

442
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: pretty your wheelhouse next to next over at Paramount. I've

443
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 1: been in love with this show, The Agency. It is

444
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: an adaptation of the French show also excellent, Le Bureau

445
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: de Layennes de Lellendees they just called The Bureau by

446
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: Eric Rashwan about the DGS, the French version of the CIA.

447
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: Don't I'll say this, all the seasons of The Bureau

448
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:30,239
Speaker 1: available to rent or pie. Don't watch it because the

449
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: first season of the Agency is pretty much the first

450
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: season of the Bureau, So don't watch it if you

451
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: want to be spoiled in the Agency. Undercover CIA agent

452
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: the Marsh just code named Martian played by Michael Fassbender,

453
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: is brought out from his longtime undercover work in Adisa

454
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: Baba where he fell in love with this lady. Love

455
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Speaker 1: Air quotes something, look, he loves fucking this lady.

456
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Speaker 3: He can't. Yeah, and not.

457
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Speaker 1: Played by her name is Sammy played by Jodie Turner Smith.

458
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: She's a very very accomplished his stories an academic in

459
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Speaker 1: her country. And and basically there are a lot of ongoing,

460
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Speaker 1: like geopolitical concerns that get upended because Martian can't stop

461
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: thinking about this lady. He can't.

462
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 3: He is obsessed.

463
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: He is toly obsessed to the point that he like

464
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Speaker 1: puts his daughter in danger.

465
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 3: Problem.

466
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Speaker 1: Does he betray his country? Does he cross various lines?

467
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: Does he blow ongoing CIA operations because he just can't

468
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: stop with this lady.

469
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, And it's very fun to watch.

470
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: It's very, very fun of twists and turns.

471
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 3: An incredible cast.

472
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jeffrey Right, Richard, Richie, rich G is my wife

473
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: calls him rich G. Katherine Waterston, India Fowl or the

474
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: aforementioned Jodie Turnersmith. It's really good. It's wonderfully shot. The

475
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: writing is great, directing is great. Obviously, cast this top notch.

476
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 1: And it's a kind of a spy story that feels

477
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: as the Bureau felt kind of ripped from the headlines,

478
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Speaker 1: like the Bureau was set during events that were ongoing

479
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: in the Syrian civil war and similarly, the agency is

480
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: features like ongoing events in Ukraine and it feels very

481
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: present and it's really good and something that our super

482
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: producer Joelle mentioned that she likes about it, which I

483
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: also like, is there's this fun wrinkle of like it's

484
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: fun to think about like conspiracy theories and all the

485
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: ways that like men in smoky rooms or making decisions

486
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: or corporate boardrooms or like pulling the strings for various

487
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,959
Speaker 1: geopolitical events. This imagines a different thing, which is what

488
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: if all these geopolitical events are happening because this one

489
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: guy can't stop fucking this woman?

490
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like why if men are just as like ridiculous

491
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 3: in the spy world as they are in real life,

492
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 3: Like they'll fuck up any shit, like it is not

493
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 3: all planned.

494
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, mild spoiler. My One of my favorite wrinkles about

495
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: this show is all these different you know, spies from

496
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: different agencies that come across Martian that intersect with him

497
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: at various points in the story are like calling him

498
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: out and roasting him about how come on, this is

499
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: really just about like like like can't you just like

500
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: find somebody? Are you good?

501
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 3: Dude?

502
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: Like what's going on? Like all this because of this

503
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: Lady anyway, really fun show that I'm enjoying a lot.

504
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: Next up on Peak Hawk is the television serialization of

505
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: the famous Day of the Jackal book movie. Several movies

506
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: have been made about Day of the Jackal in which

507
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: the basic story is this super assassin code named the Jackal,

508
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: has been set in motion to assassinate somebody, and how

509
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: do you stop this person who no one even knows

510
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: who he is? Another excellent cast Eddie Redmain, Lashawna Lynch,

511
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: Orsilla Corbero, Richard Dormer, Charles Dance Backadomics, again adapted from

512
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: the book Day of the Jackal bio Fredrick Forsyth, which

513
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: was a hit back in the sixties. You maybe have

514
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: seen the movies that have been made for me.

515
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 3: I was gonna say as well, like this one was

516
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 3: one where everyone was like, why would you remake this?

517
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: That they have the story?

518
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, but don't worry, it's actually again it's this kind

519
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 3: of mix of like soapy action, cat and mouse drama.

520
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 3: I also do think there's something interesting that as we

521
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 3: talk about all of these where this era of spies

522
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 3: are very much about the humanity and the wrinkles that

523
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 3: being a human brings in what is a relationship?

524
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: What does it do to you?

525
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 3: And also how do you still fuck it up by

526
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: just like falling in love with someone, which is a

527
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 3: point of many of these, and and like what does

528
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 3: it feel like to end up in a killing eve

529
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Speaker 3: sque kind of cat and mouse situation like Day of

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Speaker 3: the Jackal. It's been very interesting to see that because

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Speaker 3: I do think that is quite unique to our era

532
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 3: of spy movies, which is these are not like great,

533
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 3: pot fully professional, perfect, soulless assassins. Actually these are humans

534
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 3: who have taken on this role and what does it

535
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 3: do to them? And I do think that's pretty interesting.

536
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 3: And the very human one is on next one soda. Yes,

537
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 3: that's right, So David the Jackal.

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00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: If you've seen either of the Day of the Jackal films,

539
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: don't worry because while you.

540
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 3: This is definitely a twist, you will.

541
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: Under while you know the basic setup, right, it goes

542
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: places that you're not expecting. And it's not like a

543
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: it's not like a situation where they took the book

544
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: and then they cut it up into ten pieces and

545
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: made a show. It it's not that like it's it's

546
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: a basically a different story and really really fun. Up

547
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: next on Prime Amazon Prime Video is the spy story

548
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: of the Weak Style show Mister and Missus Smith, loosely

549
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: based on the movie of the same name, starring famously

550
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt, the movie during which their

551
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: relationship began and then.

552
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: Chemistry has off. The shots in that movie like you

553
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,479
Speaker 3: can just feel the adultery.

554
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: Whiles was was attached to someone else famous the wonderful

555
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: Jenniver Acid famously wonderful Jennifer anisid but he just couldn't resist.

556
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: They couldn't stop anyway. Mister and Missus Smith starring uh,

557
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: the incredibly talented Donald Glover and the incredibly talented Meyer

558
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: Erskine as the aforementioned Mister and Missus Smith, two undercover

559
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: agents that are kind of put together in this cover

560
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: of a married couple and that they go on. Each

561
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: episode is like its own little mission. It's a really

562
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,479
Speaker 1: unique twist on it in that it is a mission

563
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: of the week. There's kind of there's an overwatching story

564
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: which is mainly their relationship and how it evolves over

565
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: the course of these missions. But each episode is it's

566
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: like an episode of the Hulk, you know, the incredible

567
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: you know, goes to a different town and does it

568
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: all over again.

569
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 3: And also it has it differently original. Mister and missus

570
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 3: Smith is like, what if two people who were married

571
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 3: found out that they were both spies who had to

572
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 3: kill each other? Essentially paraphrasing the plot of like a

573
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 3: two hour movie. This is what if you were two

574
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 3: spies who have to pretend to be married to do

575
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 3: your missions. But of course that then leads to the

576
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 3: everyone loves a fake relationship, fake dating plot, So this

577
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 3: is definitely in that space. Interestingly, this was the one,

578
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 3: and I think you can really feel it when you

579
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 3: watch the show. This was originally a Donald Glover Phoebe

580
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 3: waller Bridge show, but I love my Asky and I

581
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 3: was very happy to see her hair. Yeah, this is

582
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 3: definitely the most human Indiana Jones. How did that go?

583
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Speaker 1: Indiana Jones and the Old Men of Destiny? Yeah, I

584
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: don't know it was it. I think she did right,

585
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 1: I think she did.

586
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 3: I think it was she dropped out for some reason,

587
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 3: maybe creative differences I remember hearing, but also she was

588
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 3: in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny ironically actually

589
00:34:54,040 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 3: written by uh the two brother playwrights Bartoworth and John

590
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 3: Henry Baroworth, who wrote The Agency, which is far better

591
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 3: than Indiana Jones and The Dial of Destiny. Ironically, we

592
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 3: are kind of ending with I think the show that

593
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 3: has been slowly paving the way for the spyros subject

594
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 3: over the last five years.

595
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: I think you're right, and that is Apple TV Plus's

596
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: Slow Horses. This is adapted by the incredibly numerous novel

597
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: series by Nick Hern. There are so many Slow Horses books.

598
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, called slough House, which is slough House, so sloows

599
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 3: a bosted ass place in England.

600
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: So slough House is like where they send the five

601
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: agents who fuck up but are still useful for something

602
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: like going through a subject's trash, the dirty jobs, the

603
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 1: low level jobs that nobody else at m I five

604
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: wants to do. They send these very US spies who

605
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: have either blown it on a mission, blown it in

606
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: a training mission, have debilitating character defects, whatever the case

607
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: may be. They're sent to Slows and this kind of

608
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: ragtag band of outcast spies finds themselves at the forefront

609
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: of various mysteries over the multiple seasons which this show

610
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: has undergone, I will say to me, I hope that

611
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: the producers of Slow Horses won't take this in a

612
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: bad way. This is second screen viewing for me. Like

613
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: it's I think it's great. I think the performances are wonderful,

614
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: most notably Gary Oldman as the burping and farting and

615
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: smoking John Lamb.

616
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 3: The Yeah, he's old school, rumpled kind of Shenan's guy.

617
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, the coffee farts all the time in the show.

618
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 3: So much stop bowing please. But it does have Olivia

619
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 3: Cook we love well, we love her in this show.

620
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: Yet I love her on the show, although I will

621
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: say she exits in mysterious circumstances, probably to do House

622
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: of the Dragon, and I.

623
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 3: See, Yes, that is what it feels like. Kristen Scott

624
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 3: Thomas obviously another legend. Hugo Weaving. Yeah, Jack Clouden is

625
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 3: very handsome. Jack Louden, He's definitely a one of those

626
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 3: guys kind of guy.

627
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, I die, I cannot one of those guys guys.

628
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 3: It's I do feel you. This is a show that

629
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 3: I do think. The kind of like slow nature of

630
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 3: the show. It was definitely a slow burn hit for

631
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 3: Apple TV. Plus it was also like and I do

632
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 3: think that does make it that kind of TV viewing

633
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 3: where if you're not immediately hooked by the characters and

634
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 3: want to spend time with them, you could probably zone

635
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 3: in and out, read a little book, eat your dinner.

636
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: You know, it's a Suits It feels like a Suits type.

637
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 3: I know, which is very ironic because the tone of

638
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 3: it is not suits at all, you know, like that's

639
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 3: like this shiny thing. But you can watch Suits for

640
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 3: like seven hours while you're doing other stuff. Also, this

641
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: show has been so popular on Apple TV that there

642
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 3: already three spinoffs available aside from the four shows, Yeah,

643
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 3: Dead Lions, Real Tigers and Spook Street and uh Yeah

644
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 3: in very interesting ninety eight percent on Rotten Tomorrow is

645
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 3: definitely our highest reviewed one, and this is very popular

646
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 3: in our discord. This was the first spy show I

647
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 3: really saw people talking about, so it's kind of interesting

648
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 3: that this one kind of paved the way at Apple TV. Plus,

649
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 3: there must have been other execs going, Okay, how is

650
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Speaker 3: this show getting on the best of every year? Like,

651
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Speaker 3: what do we need to do? Like? And the idea

652
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 3: is do some.

653
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Speaker 1: I will say, is not about slow horses. A show

654
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: I really like. I love that it has Christopher Chung

655
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: playing Roddy Ho, the hacker character, their hacker character, as

656
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: a series regular. He's in every episode and I love that.

657
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: I love to see that. I am somewhat sad that

658
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: we've waited all these years for I have waited all

659
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 1: these years for a Asian to be in a spy story,

660
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: a spy show, recurring character in a spy show. And

661
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 1: he is true the most abrasive, annoying guy ever on television.

662
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: His character is the most annoying human being there's ever

663
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: been put to uh television screens. It's crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I will also say as well, like any I

665
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 3: do struggle with any show that is like, when you

666
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 3: live in London, you realize like it's very unlikely that

667
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 3: you would get a show like this that kind of

668
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 3: doesn't really have a lot of like central characters who

669
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 3: are people of color, Like it's it just it doesn't

670
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 3: feel realistic to living in London, and I do always

671
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 3: find that interesting though, I do. I do appreciate that

672
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 3: they you know, they do have terrorists who are white

673
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 3: supremacists and stuff like that, so they're definitely trying to

674
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 3: do it. But the show has spoiler alert. Yeah, years years.

675
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 3: But the guy also, I will say, like the show

676
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 3: has been hilariously like embraced by people who just love TV,

677
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 3: but it's also been embraced as like an anti woke

678
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 3: show just because of how gross Gary Oldman is. And

679
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, guys, if that's all it takes is you

680
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 3: just need a gross white guy like.

681
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: That old Maps. There's legitimately a pull my finger in

682
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: this growth.

683
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Speaker 3: I think this is all very anti James Bond. You know.

684
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Speaker 3: It's not the cool, collected, like sexy, reprobate spy who

685
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 3: goes around killing people. These are kind of like the

686
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 3: grotesque like people who get things done in the back

687
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 3: alleys of London.

688
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: Against all eyes against These spies kind of get it

689
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: done when they're not even supposed to do and they've

690
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: got significant opponents n M I five itself who don't

691
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: respect what slow House is and fine, and you know

692
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: consider it a holding, you know, pen or spies on

693
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: their way out and give them the high hand a lot.

694
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 1: There's a lot of a lot of that in this show.

695
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: But it's a wonderful it's very wonderfully based breezy show.

696
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: It's it's not a like one of those shows where

697
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm gonna be thinking about this one. It's

698
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: a good television show period, great performances, wonderful performances, good show,

699
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: Apple TV Plus. And I think you're right. It's been

700
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: running for what three seasons now.

701
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 3: I think the fifth fourth season's coming out soon, so

702
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 3: I think the fourth season just finished.

703
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: We're on season four now, and I think you're right

704
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: that it's success kind of like paved the way for

705
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 1: some of the spy material that we're seeing.

706
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 3: Now, especially a lot of the spy shows are set

707
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 3: in London, and this is the London Spy Show. So

708
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 3: I think that's just British TV is really feeling this

709
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 3: motif right now, this theme why spies, I don't know.

710
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 3: I think that's an interesting question.

711
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, welly now, I think it's just a and I

712
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 1: think it just happens, you know. I remember it was now,

713
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 1: you know, probably a decade plus a couple of decades

714
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: ago where we started to get like fire department shows.

715
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 3: It was like, yeah, like lots of fire department TV,

716
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 3: you know, like TV Cops or can We've done it?

717
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: But like what about the fire department? And I think

718
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: that just as this is just one of those, it's

719
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: not It hasn't really been explored that much on television,

720
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: certainly not on network television. That yatch and I think

721
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: Slow Horses kind of showed that there's a way to

722
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: do it. And now everybody is coming in with with

723
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: their versions. And you know, the Tinker Taylor BBC adaptation

724
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: happened in the seventies was a big, big hit, and

725
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: I think people are now rediscovering, Oh wait a second,

726
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: We've got all this spy material. There's Frederick forsythe.

727
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 3: Gary Oldman within a remake John, Yeah, there's was really popular.

728
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: Alan first, like there's there's a lot of Graham Green.

729
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: There's a lot of spy material out there to be mined.

730
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: And I think people are realizing, oh wait a second.

731
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: Forty years ago the BBC had a hit with this,

732
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: why don't we try and serialize some of these or

733
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: make our own spy programs. And I think that's what's

734
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: happening now. And I will say I'm a big fan

735
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: of the spy novel, so this is great for me personally.

736
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Speaker 3: I appreciate this guy. Personally.

737
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: I love a good spy novel. I read them all

738
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: the time. I read so many of them constantly. Two

739
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: of my favorite books of last year were spy novels,

740
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: and I just can't say so this is great for me.

741
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: The Torque Man, which is an epistolary novel set during

742
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: World War Two. It's it's basically told through a novel

743
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: and a journal that are found in the kind of

744
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 1: destroyed ruins of Germany after World War Two, and they

745
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: piece this story together that way, and it's I won't

746
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: spoil any of it. It's great. I was blown away

747
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: by it. It's one of my favorite books that I

748
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: read recently, The Torque Man, and then The Scarlet Papers,

749
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: which is about a kind of late middle aged career

750
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: going nowhere academic who lectures on espionage, who gets sucked

751
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: into a scheme by which apparently not a famous but

752
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: like a well known spy in the industry who's been

753
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: working since the Cold War, wants to publish their autobiography

754
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: through him, wants to the aforementioned Scarlet Papers, wants to

755
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: hand him this manuscript. And there's a lot of twists

756
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: and turns that come through that it starts. The first

757
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: third of it feels very much like the British The Office,

758
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: in which this guy who wishes that his life we're

759
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: different and is stuck in like middle management, gets sucked

760
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: into something bigger and makes a lot Like there's a

761
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: lot of these guy fucking up in a very relatable

762
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: way where you cringe a little bit, And that's kind

763
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: of not an experience that I've had reading a Spine novel,

764
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: and then it goes places that are just like wow,

765
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: I can't believe this too great wos So those are

766
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: two of my favorite books last year. We're gonna take

767
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: a break and we come back. We're going to talk

768
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: a little bit more TV. Okay, and we're back. Let's

769
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: briefly talk about some reality television. I'm a big fan

770
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: of reality television series and other uh similarly themed reality shows.

771
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: I used to watch. I used to be a big

772
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: Big Brother person. I've since fallen away. It was a

773
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: big The Challenge person in my youth. I watched all

774
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 1: of the MTV The Challenge stuff, and I will check

775
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: back in on it still in that vein.

776
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 3: An amazing race, amazing race guy.

777
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 1: I am a somewhat of an amazing race guy. Yes

778
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: a little bit. Now. There is a new Ish reality

779
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: show called The Traders on Peacock and that show. If

780
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: you are a fan of Survivor, The Amazing Race, The

781
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: Housewives franchise and TVs The Challenge, Australian Survivor, any of

782
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: these kind of ongoing, long running you know, Love Island,

783
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: The Bachelor, all of these like ongoing reality franchises, then

784
00:46:53,760 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: you will like The Traders, hosted by the fantastic alen Coming.

785
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 3: I love him so much. He is the reason I watch.

786
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 3: He is the reason I watch now.

787
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,479
Speaker 1: The Traders is basically if you've ever played like the

788
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: party game Mafia Werewolves, Yeah, yeah, which in which you

789
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: know you have a bunch of people two people are

790
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: werewolfs and at night they kill someone and then in

791
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: the daytime everybody has to figure out who the were

792
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 1: wolf is. That's basically Traders Now. It took me a

793
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 1: little while to get into it because as a Survivor fan,

794
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: I found like a lot of the b roll in

795
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: the setup to be absolutely ridiculous. That said Kenny, who

796
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: is my manager, who you know as well, Yes.

797
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 3: He walked with us to get this X ray vision.

798
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. In many people were like, you gotta watch The Trader.

799
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 3: You like Survivor, you.

800
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: Got you gotta watch it, And then he got into it,

801
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, I'm watching. I love it, and

802
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I've had a lot of trouble getting

803
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: into it. He's He's like, here's what I do. I

804
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: just watch the scheming parts when they go to there's

805
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: a challenge section where they go out into a field

806
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: and go, you know whatever, eat something gross, or go

807
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: find you know, the hidden stuff out in the woods.

808
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: He calls it. Kenny refers to that segment as Hopscotch.

809
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: He's like, I fast forward through Hopscotch and then I

810
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: just watch them scheming and lying to each other and

811
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: trying to figure out who the trader is. I started

812
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: doing that, and guess what, I'm now three seasons in.

813
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: It is really wonderful. And I think one of the

814
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: things that I found most interesting is that this season

815
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: there's been a number of Survivor players on it, as

816
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: there happened in the past, and it's been interesting to

817
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: me to see how emotional people get when they get

818
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 1: booted from the show, because everybody thinks they're a trader,

819
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: but then it turns out they're not. They're what, yeah,

820
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: what are termed in the show of Faithful And I

821
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: think that part of it is really part of what

822
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: has hooked me about this show.

823
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 3: It is really a very very emotionally invested in what

824
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 3: is essentially like a kid's party game, but the way

825
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 3: that they make it feel so huge. Also, I will say, guys,

826
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 3: if you like The Traders and you wish there was

827
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 3: more of it, there is an English version of The

828
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 3: Traders that you can watch English, which was the original

829
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 3: version I believe, though I will say I do think

830
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 3: that Alan Cumming version slightly top six. I just love it.

831
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 3: But the last season of the English version did have

832
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 3: a very iconic cast member called Diane that people are

833
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,439
Speaker 3: obsessed with, So if you want to check that out,

834
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 3: that's also good. Jason, what are some other reality TV

835
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 3: shows you've been watching lately? Old? I think because there's

836
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 3: so many. I watch a lot of Bag Girls Club

837
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 3: in my house, very problematic but just very addictive. There's

838
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 3: actually a Bag Girls Club channel now on Pluto and

839
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 3: Roku TV, so that does come on more often than not.

840
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: I watch because Christina watches a lot of it. I

841
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: watch a lot of Love Is Blind, yes, very popular,

842
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: which I find to be one the most amazing and insane, derange,

843
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: unhinged absolutely deranged and love unhinged behavior. I used to

844
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: be big in the Housewives. I used to watch a

845
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: lot of New Jersey Housewives. I used to watch a

846
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: lot of Orange County Housewives I have. I used to

847
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: watch with a lot of Atlanta Housewives. I've watched some

848
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: Potomac Housewives. Now that I'm saying, and I'm realizing I've

849
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: watched more Housewives than I realized.

850
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 3: But I need to watch the Newest Housewives season because

851
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 3: my absolute favorite bride of Chucky herself has joined the

852
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 3: Housewives because she believed it would be an exceptionally campy

853
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 3: thing to do, and it is, and she's incredibly, incredibly

854
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 3: wealthy from gambling professionally. So part of the great moments

855
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 3: that I've seen so far is like she will come

856
00:50:55,239 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 3: into the Housewives space with a handbag and then all

857
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 3: the two camera bits just all the other housewives going,

858
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 3: you don't understand that fucking hamdbag is like a million

859
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 3: dollar piece of handbag that they only made like two of.

860
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 3: So I need to check in properly rather than just

861
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 3: watching bits on tap.

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00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: I also watch Survivor. I've been a long time fan

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Speaker 1: of Survivor since the beginning I will say that the

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00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: most recent season, forty seven was instantly one of the

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Speaker 1: best seasons in the show's history. I'd say it's a

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Speaker 1: top twelve season, top ten season, one of the best

867
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Speaker 1: new casts we've seen, and it's clearly, clearly, clearly. Season

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00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: forty was kind of like a big demarcation point for

869
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: the show, in which they took all they did like

870
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: a basically a winners only season. Everybody who was on

871
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: that season had had won a previous season, and since

872
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: then they've done all new casts and this is the

873
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: best post forty season, season forty seven. So you can

874
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Speaker 1: probably watch that on Paramount Plus if you have if

875
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Speaker 1: you have your paramoun Plus subscription.

876
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 3: You can also. I was gonna say join on Discord

877
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 3: because people, we have a Survivor channel and there are

878
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 3: a lot of surviv aheads in the Discord.

879
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Speaker 1: Now here's the level of Survivor fan I am. I pay? Well,

880
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: should I admit this? Actually there's nobody I pay for

881
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: a VPN so that I can watch Australian Survivor. It

882
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: is basically the only thing I use it for.

883
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 3: I love that so much. If anyone has a problem

884
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 3: with that, just send Jason the episode.

885
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, the new season on ten play coming out in

886
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. They've only said, but it looks like

887
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: a pretty big deal this upcoming season. I believe it's

888
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: a Survivor Mamia. It is a It is a brains

889
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 1: versus bron so basically a smart people versus muscleheads. Here's

890
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: the thing about him Bo. Here's what I'll say about

891
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: Australian Survivor. I watch it on the tenplay website, which

892
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 1: has a lot of great reality show content from that

893
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: part of the world, Asia and the surrounding areas. I

894
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: will here's the one thing about that's funny about Tenplay.

895
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: Every so often, when I log in to watch an

896
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: episode of Australian Survivor, it'll ask me, Hey, you're not

897
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: using a VPN, are you, And I will be like no,

898
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: I click no, of course not, okay, No, I live

899
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: I live in Brisbane. What are you talking about? I

900
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: eat it hungry Jacks like everybody else. I love hungry Jacks.

901
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like I just love Australia.

902
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: I've learned a lot about Australian culture through the commercials

903
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: on the on the ten play app. But I will

904
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: say Aushan Survivor is very very good. It incredible production value.

905
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: There is something I think about Australian culture in which

906
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: an American Survivor. It's about the every person. Every you

907
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: get a person from every kind of walk of life,

908
00:53:53,560 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: young student, the retired homemaker, the news anchor person, the

909
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: blue collar delivery person, right gay straight on Australian Survivor.

910
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 1: It's very important number one that everybody be like pretty

911
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: physically fit. So even like the older characters who they've

912
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:21,280
Speaker 1: had on the show are like two time Olympian gold

913
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: medalists who swung the swum the English channel several times

914
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: when they were like younger and are still in incredible shape.

915
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: They have had like multiple whatever their football is over there,

916
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: like multiple times all stars in AFL or whatever their

917
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: version of Australian football is over there. So they'll have

918
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: like these incre like surfer professional surfers, and it's much

919
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: more like physically based, like there's a lot of like

920
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: heavy duty. They love to see people like slamming into

921
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: each other. That said, really really fun show with some

922
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: wonderful scheming and some great characters. Shout out to King

923
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,240
Speaker 1: George of Survivor, who are incredible one of the greatest

924
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: Survivor players ever. But those are the ones I watch.

925
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: Do you watch any reality TV? Oh and vander Pump

926
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: Rules obviously.

927
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. My sister and some of my best friends are

928
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 3: very into reality TV, so I have gotten into it.

929
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 3: I would say the big ones at the moment, any

930
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 3: of the selling Sunset franchise. My sister is extremely into those.

931
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 3: So there was a recent new one that started selling

932
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,439
Speaker 3: the city all about New York, which if you thought

933
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 3: that LA prices were horrific, wait until you watch they're

934
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 3: selling the city. It's grotesque. That's nine million dollar listing. Yeah,

935
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 3: I'm also a big fan. These are a more standard

936
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 3: network fair but I love like a cooking show. I

937
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 3: watch a lot of like you know, guys, grocery games

938
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 3: and stuff like that, less ongoing lore in those shows.

939
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 3: British Show, Great British Baking show. I love that. I

940
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 3: love these kind of older British as like Rick Stein.

941
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 3: That motherfucker's going to some nice places he's seeing like

942
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 3: he's like my secret France and you're like, yeah, but

943
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 3: just never watch him go outside of europecause then you're

944
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 3: like you're an old white guy. I don't know if

945
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 3: this was the best choice for you. Another big one

946
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,919
Speaker 3: has definitely been As I was saying, I do watch

947
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 3: a lot of like old reality TV shows, but my

948
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 3: sister did and many of my friends implored me to

949
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 3: watch The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Have you watched that, Jason,

950
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 3: So you gotta watch it. You gotta watch it. It's

951
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 3: actually it's intentionally made as a second screen show because

952
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 3: this is the setup for the show. It follows a

953
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 3: group of Mormon Mum influencers after they implode when they

954
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 3: get caught in the midst of a swinging sex scandal.

955
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 3: But the show is not The show is set afterwards,

956
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 3: but there is no season about it. You have to

957
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 3: go on TikTok. You have to go on the internet

958
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 3: and read about the law of the swinging sex scandal

959
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 3: to watch the show about the four out. My sister

960
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 3: knew all about the sex scandal from TikTok beforehand, so

961
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 3: that was a very unique situation. And if any of

962
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 3: you have been seeing the trend at the moment for

963
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 3: dirty sodas, they've just started opening dirty soda shops in LA.

964
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 3: This is something that comes from the Mormon community because

965
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 3: these women cannot drink so they'd be going out, Jason,

966
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 3: and they're swinging with their friends, husbands or whatever. Good

967
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 3: for them. I love that for you, that's fine. But

968
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Speaker 3: what I do not condone is that they go into

969
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 3: like a you know, a raceway or racetrack or whatever

970
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 3: your seven eleven equivalent is, and they make like a soda,

971
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 3: but they put like creamer in it, and they put

972
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 3: like marshmallow fluff in it, and they may derange old

973
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 3: school egg cream, kind of like an egg cream, but

974
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 3: like a new version. And it's because they can't drink,

975
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 3: they make these deranged things. So they'll go and they'll

976
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 3: get a coke and it will have like seven pumps

977
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 3: of cherry marshmallow fluff. That was what really shocked me

978
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 3: about that show, not the swinging sex scandal, and that

979
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 3: has actually been so popular on Hulu that they're now

980
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 3: going to start playing it on ABC at ten PM

981
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 3: on Mondays from like the twenty seventh, so next next week. Yeah,

982
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 3: so very interesting. I'm definitely I'm a reality TV like

983
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 3: I'm a newbie. I'm on the edge, but any of

984
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 3: the big ones vand of Pump Rules, I have some

985
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 3: of my best friends loved that show, so I got

986
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 3: very into it on the season after the cheating scandal,

987
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:30,919
Speaker 3: the Scandalval scandal, of course, and I deeply deeply hate

988
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 3: that guy.

989
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: Tom Tom Sandoval. See him on the Traders. Sure you

990
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: can go watch him on Traders, and it's great.

991
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 3: It's everything's really an evil passic. Also another one that

992
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 3: is like one of those shows where I feel bad

993
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 3: when I watch it because I know it's just not

994
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 3: a well, like it's not a healthy environment for anyone

995
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 3: on the show. But Nightie Day Fiance another one that

996
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 3: my sister is very very into that if it's on,

997
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 3: I will occasionally watch. But that's one of those ones

998
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 3: where I literally, like Bad Girls Club, I'm feeling guilty

999
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 3: because I'm like, I know, there was no duty of

1000
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 3: care like that get paid like night that get paid

1001
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 3: like ninety dollars a day for incidentals and they are

1002
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 3: probably being plied with alcohol and booze and just making

1003
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 3: like terrible decisions. But ironically, I actually indulge in most

1004
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 3: reality TV watching via like Instagram or TikTok because of

1005
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 3: the clips. So yeah, that's it. Do you like reality TV?

1006
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 3: I would say, like, hit us up if you do,

1007
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 3: because our discord definitely does, and it's fun to talk

1008
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 3: about different kinds of TV and the way different kinds

1009
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 3: of TV gets made. So I'm stoked that we were

1010
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 3: able to do a little winter reality TV check in.

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Speaker 1: In the next few episodes of Extra Vision, We're swinging

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00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: with your friendly neighborhood spider Man, first animated Spider Man

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Speaker 1: project from Marvel Studios. And that's it to this episode.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, Bye x ray Vision is hosted by

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Speaker 1: Jason Sepsion and Rosie Knight and is a production of

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Speaker 1: iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Cole.

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Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar.

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Speaker 3: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bai Wag.

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Speaker 1: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 3: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and

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Speaker 3: Heidi our discord moderator.