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Speaker 1: Coming off a nerve racking win a little bit. You know,

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Speaker 1: Jim Gray. Jim, thank you so much for your time today.

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Speaker 1: We're excited to talk with you about your new book

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Speaker 1: and get your perspective on the Ravens here. Garrett, great

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Speaker 1: to talk to you, Ryan, appreciate it. Hope Paul's going

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Speaker 1: well in Baltimore. Absolutely, So. You got a new book out,

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Speaker 1: Talking to Goats, so let's start with that. Um talk

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Speaker 1: to us about this book and Uh, you know you

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Speaker 1: interview Tom Brady, he wrote the foreword. Will forgive you

436
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Speaker 1: for that. Um, but uh, but but just talk to

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Speaker 1: us about this book and what's included in it. Well,

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Speaker 1: not to give a plug, but Tom's got a Baltimore

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Speaker 1: connection with under Armour, right, yeah he does. He does

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00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 1: a huge Maryland company and and uh a long time

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Speaker 1: association there. But I understand, thank you for forgiving me.

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Speaker 1: But he's out of there now, right. You don't have

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Speaker 1: to worry about that until the super Bowl. Yeah, exactly, hope, hope,

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Speaker 1: we'll take that. We'll take that. Exactly, We'll take that. Well,

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Speaker 1: that would that would be fun. That would be fun

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Speaker 1: for all parties. Um. The book has been you know,

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00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 1: I've been broadcasting since nineteen seventy seven, so it's been

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Speaker 1: a long time. And I just kind of felt that,

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Speaker 1: you know, there were a lot of these stories, uh,

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Speaker 1: that that that should go down on paper and uh so, uh.

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Speaker 1: It took about three years with the Greg Bishop, great

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Speaker 1: writer from Sports Illustrated who did a terrific job and

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Speaker 1: it was really fantastic to work with, and the organized

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Speaker 1: you know, tens of thousands of interviews and transcripts and

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Speaker 1: tapes and stories and uh and and we put it

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Speaker 1: all together, and you know, writing a book is very

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Speaker 1: very difficult. I mean, we all see these writers guys.

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Speaker 1: You see Ryan and Garrett, you guys see these guys

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Speaker 1: every week at the Ravens Games, and you know, covering

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Speaker 1: Maryland and doing all this stuff. And then we read

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Speaker 1: all their stuff all the time in the newspapers and

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Speaker 1: the blogs, magazines, you know, on social media, and the

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Speaker 1: effort that goes into all of it. You know, we

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Speaker 1: kind of take for granted because we see the finished product.

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Speaker 1: But then when you sit down and try and do

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Speaker 1: this and it's it's really it's really an amazing process.

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Speaker 1: So I always had tremend disrespect for for the writers

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Speaker 1: and what they do, but just took it to a

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Speaker 1: whole new level. Are there any Ravens goats that you

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Speaker 1: talked to, Well, there's Baltimore goats in there. Sure, Michael

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Speaker 1: Felt the greatest goat of all time in the Olympics,

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Speaker 1: he's a Ravens fan. He's down on the sidelines hopefully

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Speaker 1: hopefully that counts. And of course, uh, I got I

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Speaker 1: was fortunate to cover Don Shula, who had a lot

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Speaker 1: of Baltimore roots back in his cold stage before the

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Speaker 1: Ravens were in existence, uh as the name of the franchise.

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Speaker 1: And so there's there's a lot about Don and the

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Speaker 1: chasing and seeking and the perfection that he obtained. There's

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Speaker 1: a chapter where Don Shula and Michael Phelps are together

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Speaker 1: with Floyd Mayweather in perfection and how it has come

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Speaker 1: to define their lives and how they went about it.

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Speaker 1: Three totally different people who went about things and in

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Speaker 1: so many different directions, but the only similarity is that

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Speaker 1: they wanted to have that perfection. Floyd Mayweather fifty and

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Speaker 1: oh and that oh kind of defines who he is. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Don Shula, who was the undefeated coach the seventy two Dolphins,

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Speaker 1: and and you know with pop Champagne corks with with

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Speaker 1: his players when when other teams could not duplicate that

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Speaker 1: record that still stands. And of course Michael Phelps, who

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Speaker 1: we all know so well, you know, was just trying

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Speaker 1: to do anything he could, by the blank of an

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Speaker 1: eye or fingernail to touch touch the end of the

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Speaker 1: pool first, and how that perfection has come to defind him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: is there anything I'm curious with with these goats that

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Speaker 1: that kind of they all share in common that makes

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Speaker 1: them the greatest of all time? You know, did you

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Speaker 1: find that in those conversations? They're all really really different,

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Speaker 1: but if you had a common theme, it's that my

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Speaker 1: optic tunnel vision, uh, that that they will not do

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Speaker 1: anything other than try and stand on that top step

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Speaker 1: of the victory platform to hold that trophy, to win

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Speaker 1: that medal that they it, you know, very very rarely.

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Speaker 1: They don't have hobbies, Uh, they have They have basically,

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Speaker 1: you know, two loves in their life. They basically loved

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Speaker 1: the people around them, their families, and they love what

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Speaker 1: it is that they do, whether it's you know, Phelps

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Speaker 1: in that pool and staring at a black line, which

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Speaker 1: you know, look, it can torment you that perfection too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look at look at look at the life

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Speaker 1: that Michael has led. And you know he has been

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Speaker 1: so so open about you know, some of the mental

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Speaker 1: health issues and but just just imagine what it takes

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Speaker 1: to be submersed in water and just every day of

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Speaker 1: your life, hours upon hours staring at a black line. Okay,

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Speaker 1: imagine what it dates to throw that football time and

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Speaker 1: time and time again and get the mechanics right, get

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Speaker 1: your feet right, um, and then have somebody to throw

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Speaker 1: it to, uh, and then to work out and and

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Speaker 1: to just be so so my opic that that that

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Speaker 1: that was you know, what you wanted to define as

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Speaker 1: your pursuit and goal in life and your existence. And

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Speaker 1: so they all have that hard work and dedication and

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Speaker 1: nothing else gets in the way. These guys don't have hobbies. Okay,

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Speaker 1: there's there's a thing as a hobby. They finished their

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Speaker 1: careers and their golf game is terrible. Well, nothing can

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Speaker 1: replace their careers, you know, and so so we see

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Speaker 1: that quite often. And unfortunately, you know, even when you're

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Speaker 1: the greatest of all time, you know that career ends

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Speaker 1: unless you're a golfer. I mean, I imagine the Tiger

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Speaker 1: Woods and Jack Nicholas could play on a senior tour

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Speaker 1: and could go out and exhibitions and still show up

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Speaker 1: at Augusta National and you know play until at in

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Speaker 1: bad stage, but too to to compete on that level.

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Speaker 1: You know, Father time in most instances is undefeated. And

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Speaker 1: so um uh, that's that's the tough part of it,

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Speaker 1: because you know, they achieved this excellence and they become

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Speaker 1: a goat and and and and then that period of time,

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Speaker 1: like everything else, in life moves on and time. Time

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Speaker 1: doesn't stop for the great ones. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: it moves on for all of us in all aspects.

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Speaker 1: But this has been you know, writing this book with

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Speaker 1: Greg and and and and you know, I've been fortunate

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Speaker 1: to have a life of being able to talk to

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Speaker 1: goats and who have been to have been in their

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Speaker 1: company and to have you know, been able to see

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Speaker 1: this firsthand and experience it. It's been it's been great.

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Speaker 1: And you guys, you guys have to with with Phelps

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Speaker 1: and you're seeing it now, you know, with with the

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Speaker 1: potential that you know you're seeing with the Ravens, and

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Speaker 1: they've won championships and so so you you guys, you know,

551
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: when you experience it and you see it, it's it's enlightening,

552
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: it's enthralling. It can be intoxicating, you know, because you

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00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: just keep wanting to see it again and again and

554
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: again and and and we don't get enough of it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how many times have we walked away and said, Wow,

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Speaker 1: we'll never see something like that again, And then those

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Speaker 1: same performers do it again and again and again. And

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Speaker 1: I'll be sensitive with the audience. Srea in Baltimore, but

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Speaker 1: Brady says that in the forward, it's not what you

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Speaker 1: do in your twenties that defines you and makes you great.

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Speaker 1: It's what you do over and over and over again

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Speaker 1: that he really said is the difference. That's really cool.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's I think you make a great point, Um,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure that you've experienced it in your career

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Speaker 1: when Brian I both worked for the Ravens for a

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Speaker 1: long time, and UM had the chance to cover Ray

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Speaker 1: Lewis and see him on a daily basis, UM, and

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Speaker 1: certainly he was somebody who falls into this goat category

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Speaker 1: as a Hall of Famer and somebody who UM had

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Speaker 1: the ability to kind of just this infectious personality that

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Speaker 1: everyone could get behind, and he could control an entire

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Speaker 1: stadium with the dance. You know, UM, there's not many

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Speaker 1: people who have that ability, And so you can you

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Speaker 1: see that we have had the ability to see it,

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Speaker 1: and I think we're seeing glimpses of that with Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 1: Obviously he's got to do it long term, UM, but

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious. There's just like Jim was saying, I

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Speaker 1: I kind of like every week, I'm like excited to

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Speaker 1: see what Lamar is gonna do next, you know, That's

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Speaker 1: what when you were saying that, Jim, I was like, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that's like I feel like Lamar could hopefully, we

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Speaker 1: all hope be on that track, you know, but he's

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Speaker 1: got to do it for a long time. I mean,

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Speaker 1: even if you just watch takes, I mean, you couldn't

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Speaker 1: wait to see Michael Jordan play again. Michael Jordan's right,

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Speaker 1: said it. Somebody's out there tonight who's never seen me before,

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Speaker 1: and probably we'll never see me again, at least in person.

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00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: And so he was driven by that because he didn't

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Speaker 1: want that guy. And the tickets were much different back then.

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Speaker 1: So the tickets were whatever they were, twenty five dollars

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Speaker 1: or fifty dollars, you know, they weren't. They weren't where

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Speaker 1: the prices are now. Whatever that number was. He wanted

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Speaker 1: that guy to go away and say, you know, not

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Speaker 1: only did I get my money's worth, but I got

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Speaker 1: a lifetime memory and so and so, you know, there

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Speaker 1: there's an expectation level that we have now of all

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Speaker 1: of these guys, whether it was Tyson in the ring,

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Speaker 1: you know, or whether it's Lebron now, you know, everybody

599
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: thinks that that. You know, Tiger Woods is going to

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Speaker 1: win the Masters again and again and again because that's

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Speaker 1: what he's done with the fifteen Majors. So what you

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Speaker 1: say about Lamar, you know, now applies to him. He's

603
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Speaker 1: an m v P. And it applies to Patrick Mahomes

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00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: because he's won a Super Bowl and he's an m

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Speaker 1: v P. Okay. So somebody out there is going to

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Speaker 1: go see them, you know, not during COVID times, but

607
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: in normal times, somebody's gonna go see them, and they're

608
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Speaker 1: never gonna forget it. They're never gonna forget it. So

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Speaker 1: those guys have the personal fortitude and the internal equilibrium

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Speaker 1: to know that and say, I'm not gonna let those

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Speaker 1: folks down, even when it's an opponent. Even when it's

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Speaker 1: opponent because all of these cities in the NFL are

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Speaker 1: the NBA, they're not championship teams, so a lot of

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Speaker 1: the fans go to see the opponent, we'll see the

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Speaker 1: other greatness. So you know, it's it's a it's a

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Speaker 1: really it's a really interesting equation. M hmm. What is

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Speaker 1: your perspective of the Ravens organization. You've You've covered and

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00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: been around pretty much every team player. Uh in the

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Speaker 1: sports world in your career, what is your you know,

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Speaker 1: big picture? Look at at the Ravens organization and what

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Speaker 1: they've been able to do and winning two championships in

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Speaker 1: their time here in Baltimore. I think it starts at

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Speaker 1: the top. You've got a great owner, h a great

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Speaker 1: steward of this franchise in Steve Bashotti and his family.

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Speaker 1: They're great, Okay, and he allows the people that he

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Speaker 1: hires to do their jobs. And people that he has

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Speaker 1: hired and putting those jobs have excelled over the years. Okay,

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Speaker 1: go back and look at the championship seasons and and

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Speaker 1: and and Ozzie Newsom, and you look at the stability

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Speaker 1: and with John harb John Harbaugh has you know, won

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Speaker 1: a championship there and and he's perennially you know, has

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00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: everybody prepared, and he's diligent, and he's dedicated, and you

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Speaker 1: know he's been able to develop that framework of time

634
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Speaker 1: and consistency in the NFL is very hard, and every

635
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: year the Ravens are right there. And so you just

636
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: look at the lineage of who Art Model became partners

637
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: with and sold the team too. And then you see

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00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: and and and and then when you have a franchise quarterback,

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00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: I mean Joe Flacco was was certainly terrific. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: and now Lamar has the chance to be that guy

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Speaker 1: who has taken over and and he can be there

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Speaker 1: for a long time, you know, if he can, if

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Speaker 1: he can avoid injury, and any guy who runs the

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Speaker 1: way he runs, and and and you know, it's so dazzling,

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Speaker 1: and you know there's always that fear. But if he

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Speaker 1: can stay on his feet and he is, He's got

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Speaker 1: the perfect temperament, great disposition, and he seems to inspire

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Speaker 1: all of those around him. Uh. And his arm is fantastic.

649
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: So when when you talk about the Ravens, I mean

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Speaker 1: when you have leadership at the coaching position, at the ownership,

651
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: at the quarterback, I mean you're set up long term. Okay,

652
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: you're not all of these teams. All Davis said this

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Speaker 1: to me, and I say it in the book, Um

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Speaker 1: in talking to Goats, Al Davis said something to me, Um.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I used this quote or not.

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Speaker 1: I might not have, but he said, it's a vicious

657
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Speaker 1: struggle to be number one. One team wins and the

658
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: other thirty one are looking for answers, M Okay, it's

659
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: very hard, very hard. Like Brady tells me every week

660
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Speaker 1: on the radio, it's hard to win a game in

661
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: the NFL. So when you look at the championships that

662
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: the Ravens have one, you know how hard that is.

663
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: Their teams, you know, struggling every year to try and

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Speaker 1: make the playoffs, struggling every year to try and be competitive.

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Speaker 1: So many of those franchises has never even been never

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Speaker 1: even with the Super Bowl. So when I look at

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Speaker 1: the Ravens, I look at the pursuit of at once

668
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: and it's a constant pursuit and they're not taking years off,

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00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: no years off. They're trying to get there every year

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Speaker 1: and they're trying to be better tomorrow than they were yesterday.

671
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: And that's hard in the NFL. And they're doing it

672
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: and you know, they've done it with defense in the past,

673
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: and now they're explosive. So yeah, you want to give

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Speaker 1: yourself a chance. And when you have what they have

675
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: surrounded themselves with, they've got a great opportunity. So you know,

676
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Speaker 1: it's hard to sit here and predict that they can win,

677
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: or the Chiefs can win, or who knows. With COVID

678
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: changes every minute here. Who knows what the injuries in

679
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: the NFL, and and then the opponents are playing. I mean,

680
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: fran Tarkington said it many years ago. You said, you

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Speaker 1: know what happened out there today France? You know, how

682
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: can you you know? He lost four Super Bowls? He said,

683
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: you know they pay the guys on defense too. So

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Speaker 1: I mean it's a you know, it's a lot of

685
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,720
Speaker 1: components to go into this, but I think the present

686
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: is really bright for the Ravens, and the future it

687
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: is really is really bright as well. I think kind

688
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Speaker 1: of what you're saying is the Ravens are in a

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Speaker 1: position and striving to always be a goat franchise. And

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Speaker 1: and I think that you know, every team obviously wants

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Speaker 1: to be that, but it's like, can you actually deliver

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Speaker 1: on that, like in every aspect of your franchise business,

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Speaker 1: you know, personnel, the way you treat your players, the

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Speaker 1: way you compete, the way you study. I mean, it's

695
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: like you're saying, I think there's a lot, a lot

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Speaker 1: that goes into being a goat franchise. So who would

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Speaker 1: you say are the goat franchises in the NFL? You'd

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Speaker 1: have to say the Packers with their early Super Bowls

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00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: and and and Patriots. The Patriots are the are the

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Speaker 1: most recent dynasty. The Steelers over the years have always

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Speaker 1: had that. Okay, So you know, the Cowboys have a

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Speaker 1: great name and won those championships back in the day.

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Speaker 1: And then when when Jerry Jones took over with Jimmy Johnson,

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Speaker 1: so you know, they're looked at as as you know,

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Speaker 1: America's team, and and and and and so and then

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Speaker 1: you have teams like the Raiders and the ray Evens,

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Speaker 1: and you know they always have this following now, right,

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Speaker 1: so you win more than one championship and you can

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Speaker 1: sit there and and be viewed as somebody who's got

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Speaker 1: to be in the equation, right, So yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: who's the goat of all franchises? All right? In the

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Speaker 1: seventies it was Miami the undefeated season, and then the

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Speaker 1: Steelers came along, and before that it was the Packers,

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Speaker 1: and then the Raiders were the team of the decades

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Speaker 1: when they won played in all those Super Bowls in

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Speaker 1: different decades, and and and one uh and and and

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Speaker 1: then it moved on to the Patriots, okay, and and

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Speaker 1: now the Ravens. You know, Ravens. Hey, Ernie Els was unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Ernie Els was one of the greatest ballplayer, who was

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Speaker 1: one of the greatest golfers ever. But he played in

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Speaker 1: the same era unfortunately as Tiger Woods. Okay, didn't diminish,

722
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Speaker 1: didn't diminish how great Ernie Els was. He just didn't

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Speaker 1: win quite as many championships. And now that era seems

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Speaker 1: to be ending with the Patriots right at the same

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Speaker 1: time that the Ravens and the Chiefs have franchise quarterbacks

726
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Speaker 1: who can really you know, who are so young, so dynamic,

727
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Speaker 1: and so you know already fantastic. You know that that

728
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: they can make runs and you know, um, their greatness

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Speaker 1: is in their future. It's not in the rear view mirror.

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Speaker 1: M Hey, Jim. One question that I have, and this

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Speaker 1: has nothing to do with the Ravens, but I got

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Speaker 1: to ask you this because I grew up I was

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Speaker 1: born in Cleveland and grew up in Ohio, So you

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Speaker 1: probably know where I'm going with this. Um. One of

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Speaker 1: my all time sports memories, and it was a terrible one,

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Speaker 1: was the decision. The night of the decision. I when

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Speaker 1: I think about all my sports memories, I that is

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Speaker 1: up there with the ones that I remember where I was,

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Speaker 1: how I felt, and you broke my heart, Jim, you

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Speaker 1: broke you Well, you didn't break my heart. You were

741
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: there when Lebron broke my heart and I as I

742
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: was watching that. So so looking back on that, now,

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Speaker 1: what do you think of the decision? And how often

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00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 1: do you get asked by people like me who think

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00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: of that sports moment, because it really was an iconic

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00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: sports moment. I get asked about it quite a bit

747
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: um and and it was heartbreaking for the fans in

748
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: Cleveland and in Ohio. And you know, there could have

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Speaker 1: been more sensitivity, as I write in the book, you

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00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: know we could have been more sensitive to that in retrospect.

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Speaker 1: But if you look at the decision today and and

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Speaker 1: take away if you can, if you can remove the

753
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: heartbreak of what happened to the fans, pay to heal

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Speaker 1: some of those wounds, not only time, but the championship

755
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: that ro came back in one so he kind of

756
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: paid it in full. If you just look at that

757
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: at that moment and see where things are today in

758
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: many ways, in many ways, it was the birth of

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00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: you know, player empowerment in this era. Okay, Super teams

760
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: being formed, um doing it without the clubs in the

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00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: league involved taking control. It was Kurt Flood is a

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Speaker 1: revered history, is a revered person in the history of

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Speaker 1: free agency in sports for what he did, uh in

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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball. Okay, So this moment, it also in

765
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: many ways was was the birth of not only player

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Speaker 1: empowerment and and taking things into their own hands and

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00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: being able to determine self determination. It also social media.

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Speaker 1: Uh look at look at what what mushroom and came

769
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Speaker 1: out of all of that. Okay, Uh, Twitter was you know,

770
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: now everybody communicates through Twitter, the players, tribune and guys

771
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: telling their own stories, not necessarily through the filter of

772
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: us in the media, but doing it themselves. And and

773
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: and and just the burst of of of what this

774
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: has become and and and what Lebron has become in

775
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: ending his voice and and and and accentuating his his

776
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: play not only on the court, but the social issues

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00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: and the building of the school and and then up

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00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: until this point this year, the championship with the Lakers

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00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 1: and and all of the um all of the things

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00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 1: that he was in the forefront of h in leading

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00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: not only the NBA but many folks around the nation,

782
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:34,439
Speaker 1: uh with social justice and and unification and and and

783
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: trying to rid discrimination. So if you look back at

784
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: the decision, it's it's it's it's a seminal moment in

785
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: the NBA, and David Stern no longer could control the

786
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: outcome of what it was that he wanted for how

787
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: things went in free agency with players. And that was

788
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: a good thing. That was a great thing. Okay, look

789
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: at every year now you can argue that the off

790
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: season in the n b A is as interesting and

791
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: is much fun. Where a guy is going I mean,

792
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: we talked about for two years where Kevin Durant was

793
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: going to go right? All right. So that show, which

794
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: was still to this day the highest rated studio show

795
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: in the history of ESPN. Okay, it attracted a tremendous audience,

796
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: and we gave away millions and millions of dollars to

797
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: the Boys and Girls clubs. So it had flaws, some

798
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 1: mistakes were made. We could have done better, and and

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00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: and and I talked about that in the book. But

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Speaker 1: if you look at the long term effect, ten years later,

801
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: that program has aged and and and what Lebron has

802
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: become the passage of time, I think reflects very highly

803
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: on him, and what are you accomplished? So as heartbreaking

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00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: as that was for the fans in Cleveland, and and

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00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: and again, I'll say it again, there should have been

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00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: more sensitivity and we we could have handled that better.

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00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: I could have handled that better, and ESPN could have

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00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: handled that better. And you know, and Lebron has addressed that.

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00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: There's your there's your answer, Garrett quick complaining Garrett. I first,

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00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: I have long forgiven Lebron. I forgive you jam It's okay,

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00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: it's okay. But what do you think of that assessment?

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00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: Do you see it differently now than yeah? I mean, look,

813
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: when it happened, certainly I was. I was just a

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Speaker 1: fan of the Calves and of Lebron and was disappointed

815
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: and mad and all those things. And so you're not

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Speaker 1: looking at it from a from a nuanced perspective. You're

817
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: just you're just ticked, you know it is. And so

818
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 1: um right likes to pretend like I was burning Lebron's jersey.

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Speaker 1: I was not. I was not one of the times

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00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: out they're burning the jersey. I will give you that,

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Speaker 1: um and I agree. Now, I I think you you

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00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: summed it up really well when you said that that

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00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: was really the beginning of the player empowerment era. Um

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Speaker 1: and we've seen that and that's come to fruition. So UM,

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00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 1: I just had to that that that show, in that

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00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 1: moment changed everything to this day. You know, it's interesting

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Speaker 1: they're now doing shows on that show. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: guess said it's a it's an iconic moment for me,

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Speaker 1: but also for the for sports fans in general. Um

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Speaker 1: And I think the things that we're talking about speak

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Speaker 1: to that. So Jim really really appreciate the time. Listeners.

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Speaker 1: You can get his book Talking to Goats. It's a

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00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: great look at Jim's life and and there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of great stories, wisdom and perspective and that. So Jim

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Speaker 1: really appreciate your time and listeners. Make sure you go

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Speaker 1: really good read. I'm looking forward to it. I didn't

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Speaker 1: ask Jim for my freebee. You know I'm all about

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Speaker 1: the freebees. Well, I might. I might have a couple

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Speaker 1: might have to come. I might, you know, might be

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Speaker 1: looking around right now. It might be sitting at your

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Speaker 1: desk right now. You don't know you have to come

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Speaker 1: in here and get it. Did anybody else send any

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Speaker 1: beer for me that informed me of I've been checking

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Speaker 1: your mail every day. If there's anything good that comes

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Speaker 1: in here, I check it, o it up. If somebody

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Speaker 1: I want, I take it. If I don't want to

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Speaker 1: put it back in the just probably throw it away

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Speaker 1: more than anything else. Wow, what do you What do

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Speaker 1: you think of Champ? What do you think of Jim's answer?

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Speaker 1: To my decision question. I think you dropped the hammer

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Speaker 1: on you. I felt a little bad for you. He

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Speaker 1: was like, hey, Garrett, shut up. It was good long

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Speaker 1: term say time is healed the wound and Lebron came

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Speaker 1: back and won a championship, so it's all forgiven. I

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Speaker 1: thought it was interesting too. Jim Jim went on Adam

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Speaker 1: Schefter's podcast, you know, after he did ours, obviously his

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Speaker 1: first with us yet exactly. He was like, Schefter, all right,

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Speaker 1: I guess I'll go on um and he said his

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Speaker 1: first interview was with Muhammad Ali at eighteen years old.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. It's a pretty interesting place to start

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Speaker 1: right there. That's pretty cool. What do you remember who

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Speaker 1: your first interview was with, Garrett? I think it was

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Speaker 1: with a high school baseball player. Okay, alright, really I

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Speaker 1: don't know who, but cover high school sports when I

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Speaker 1: was in high school, so probably someone in the high

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Speaker 1: school level. Yeah, that makes sense, that makes sense. I remember,

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Speaker 1: I don't remember who my first interview was with, but

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Speaker 1: I remember my first credential I ever got for a game.

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Speaker 1: I go down, sit in my seat, looked down at

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Speaker 1: my little place card. I'm like, oh, this is a keeper,

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Speaker 1: you know, memento for my career what it's going to

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Speaker 1: be At that point, I thought it was probably gonna

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Speaker 1: be flapped. Uh look down and my name is Ryan

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Speaker 1: Zinc So I kept that one. Yeah, that's a good

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Speaker 1: one to keep. Who was your first big time interview?

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Speaker 1: My first big time interview? I know yours? Um, Pete

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Speaker 1: Rose yep, yeah, um my first big time interview? Man,

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Speaker 1: I can't think of one. Was it when Big almost

893
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Speaker 1: fought you? Randy Johnson almost did fight me Nankey's club House?

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Speaker 1: That's true story. My my my non interview with George

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Speaker 1: Steinbrenner when he let the elevator doors shut my face. Oh? Man,

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Speaker 1: too many good ones. Nothing change, nothing change. I remember

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Speaker 1: Gary Williams is here's a funny little Gary Williams story

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Speaker 1: for you. Gary Williams. Uh, you know, I went to

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Speaker 1: Roth Maryland. So I was covering the team and whatnot,

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Speaker 1: and I remember there's something he didn't like that I wrote.

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Speaker 1: So he called me to his office and I go

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Speaker 1: in there and I'm like, I am really nervous. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is Gary Williams. He's already probably sweating when I'm

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Speaker 1: walking into the office. That's just how Gary Williams was

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Speaker 1: and he had a little bit of a temper. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you remember him on the on the sidelines,

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Speaker 1: but so I walk in there and I tried to

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Speaker 1: butter him up. I'm like, Gary, nice office, man, this

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Speaker 1: is a really nice office. He goes, he grumbles, not

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Speaker 1: half as big as Schefskys. I was like, oh boy,

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Speaker 1: we're off on the right foot. So good. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I heard that one before. That's good. That

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Speaker 1: was a good one. Anyway, thanks for listening. As always,

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Speaker 1: you can reach us at the lounge at Ravens dot

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Speaker 1: m NFL dot net and we'll be back with you

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Speaker 1: after our bo oh I miss clamp showder dang, I

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Speaker 1: want that clamp showder. It's still gonna be a big

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Speaker 1: win though, big win