1 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: Boom have no Fear of the Iron Rappaport Stereo podcast. 2 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: This year Biginni Boom have no Fear. The I Am 3 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: rap Record Stereo podcast is here on today's banging, hard hitting, 4 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: museum quality I Am Rapaport Stereo Podcast. We're going all Israel, 5 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: all Zionist everything. That's why anybody and everybody should listen 6 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: to this podcast. 7 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 2: Special episode with the brilliant. 8 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: And I don't use that word a lot, the brilliant 9 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: Aviva Klumpus, who is an educator. 10 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 2: She's a zoologist. She's become a friend. 11 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: I met her online and then we met in person 12 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: and had an incredible trip in Israel. 13 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: She is the author of two books. 14 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:02,319 Speaker 1: Her first book is called For Israel, it was her 15 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: debut memoir, and she just released her next book called 16 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: Stand Up Nation, which is a very very thoughtful, easy 17 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: informative read on all things Israel and the history of 18 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: Israel and how and where it is going. She is 19 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: also extremely active and an extremely important follow on Twitter 20 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 1: at Aviva Columpus at Aviva Columpus. 21 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 2: A V I V A K l O M P 22 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: as my guest. 23 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: For a very informative, very heartfelt, very smart, very inspiring, 24 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:45,559 Speaker 1: super duper Jewish, super duper Zionist. I Am Rapport Stereo 25 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: podcast is the brilliant and also she's a zoologist. She 26 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: knows about animals. Welcome, Aviva Columpus to the im Rapaport 27 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: Stereo podcast. 28 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 2: Aviva Klumpass, Welcome to the. 29 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: Im Rapoport Stereo Podcast. 30 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 2: I appreciate you coming on. Aviva. 31 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: You have your newest book, Stand Up Nation, which I 32 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: strongly strongly advise everybody, especially Jews, especially Zionists, especially anti Jewish. 33 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 1: If you're anti Jewish, you should read this book. I 34 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: might even say more than Jews and Zionists, but I 35 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: think everybody should read this book, stand Up Nation, which 36 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: of course is inspired by the title Startup Nation by 37 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: Dan Signor, who is also one of the three scholars, 38 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: the three Jewish scholars. 39 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 2: Who gave quotes in the back of Eva. 40 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on the I Am Rapaport Stereo podcast. 41 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 2: How are you? 42 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 3: I am great? This is an honor. Do you want 43 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 3: to tell people who the other two scholars. 44 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: Are on the back, Well, of course the two other 45 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: scholars on the back are dancing Or, who wrote the 46 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: book Startup Nation, and the genius of Israel and the 47 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: other scholar is doctor Enot Wilf or, author of We 48 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: Should All Be Zionists and probably my favorite book on 49 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: all things Israel, The. 50 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 2: War of Return. 51 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 1: So it makes sense that it's dancing or doctory not 52 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: Wilf and me Michael Rappaport. 53 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 2: That's always the way things you know should be. 54 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: You know, when people think of the great minds of Israel, 55 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: Zionists and just the great thinkers of of now, those 56 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: are the three that come to mind, especially, and I 57 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: was kind of disappointed that I'm at the bottom. 58 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 2: But enough about me. I want to talk to you. 59 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: I love your book, I love your mind, I love 60 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: your tenacity as a Jewish woman, I love your tenacity 61 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: as a Zionist. My first question for you, and it's 62 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: crazy because I'm doing this podcast with you now and 63 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: so much can change, so much is happening so fast 64 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: with all things Israel, all things politics in the world. 65 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: But I want to throw this at you because I'm 66 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: curious to know what you think and mean. If people 67 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: can't tell me and Aviva are friendly, you want to 68 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: tell people first how we met, how we met, how 69 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: we connected. First, of course I ask you my first question. 70 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, I am just pounding away on Twitter 71 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 3: all day posting up my thoughts. I'm fueled by rage 72 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 3: and indignation, and over the last nine and a half months, 73 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 3: since October seventh, I've had a lot of rage and indignation. 74 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 3: And one day I get a DM on X from 75 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 3: some guy named Michael Rappleport that has these words who 76 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 3: are you? That's how we. 77 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 2: Met boom and the rest is history. That's right, all right? 78 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: But my first question of EVA is, like I said, 79 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: the new cycle is changing so much, and it's looking 80 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: like Kamala Harris is going to be the Democratic nominee 81 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: after Joe Biden pulled out or got the plug pulled 82 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: on him. History will tell exactly what happened to Joe. 83 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: But what are your thoughts, your initial thoughts concerns likes 84 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: about Kamala Harris actually being president of the United States. 85 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: If she becomes president of the United States, where do 86 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: you think and where has this historically? Has she stood 87 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: on support of Israel? Because I know that's utmost importance 88 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: to me, and I'm assuming it's of utmost importance to you. 89 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,559 Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely so. First of all, if this podcast doesn't 90 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 3: come out in the next half an hour. Whatever I 91 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 3: say is probably out of date. Never mind waiting a 92 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 3: day for the new cycle. It's been pure insanity. Just 93 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 3: a couple hours ago, Nancy Pelosi endorsed Kamala Harris. So 94 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 3: it does look like looking more and more like she's 95 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 3: the presumptive nominee. So in general, her record on Israel 96 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 3: is very much in line with anybody that wants to 97 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 3: be president. She has many times said that she supports 98 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 3: Israel's right to defend itself, that she supports a strong 99 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 3: and secure state of Israel. I have to say that 100 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 3: in general, this administration when it comes to the hostages, 101 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 3: and let's take a moment to remember that there are 102 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 3: eight Americans health hostage, five of whom are presumed to 103 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 3: be alive. Their names are Keith, Heirsch, Segoui Ohmaier, and Eden. 104 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 3: They've been in Kamas captivity for two hundred and eighty 105 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 3: nine days today. And this administration has been quite amazing 106 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 3: actually in supporting the hostage families and meeting with them, 107 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 3: certainly more than the Israeli administration has met with the 108 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 3: hostage families. So in that sense, we can commend this administration. Now, 109 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 3: on the other hand, we saw Donald Trumps stand up 110 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 3: at the Republican National Convention and talk about how our hostages, 111 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 3: as words were, our hostages better come home before I'm 112 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: in office. And he was clear and unequivocal. And I 113 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 3: don't think that I've ever heard this administration or Kamala 114 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 3: Harris first of all, named the American hostages or talk 115 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 3: about them so directly as ours. 116 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: Well, that kind of answers my question. I mean we've 117 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 2: talked about this. 118 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: You know, what's politics, you know, bringing the hostages to 119 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: the White House, you know, Trump saying our hostages and 120 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: all that stuff. 121 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: But you know, I asked you the question, you answered the. 122 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: Question, and like you said, you know, if I don't 123 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: put this podcast out in the next half hour, who. 124 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 2: The hell knows? What is up everybody else's sleeve? Stand 125 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: up Nation? 126 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: Why did you write this book and how did when 127 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: you started writing this book, did it change after October seventh? 128 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: Like did you have to make changes to the book 129 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: and what were the changes? So it's a sort of 130 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:57,559 Speaker 1: a two part, three part question. 131 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, multi part. So the story of this book is 132 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 3: I used to be the speechwriter for Israel's delegations to 133 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 3: the United Nations and Israel doesn't have a huge staff. 134 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 3: There's one speech writer who's responsible for writing all the 135 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 3: English language communications for the delegation, So that's speeches and 136 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 3: op eds and social media posts and letters, and it's 137 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 3: quite an endless list. And within the United Nations there 138 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 3: are countless topics. You could be writing about global security 139 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 3: and terrorism, but also international development and economic issues and 140 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 3: legal issues and road safety in outer space and forestry, 141 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 3: and honestly, it's quite an endless list. And I didn't 142 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 3: have a ton of time to do in depth research 143 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 3: on all those topics. There's just too much. But whenever 144 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 3: it was a speech about international development, I would kind 145 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 3: of fall down a rabbit hole because I would end 146 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 3: up reading about things that I really find fascinating, Israel's 147 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 3: earliest years, which I want to tell you about, because 148 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 3: Israel in its first ten years looks nothing like Israel today. 149 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 3: I would be reading about Goldemeir, who's right here on 150 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 3: my wall, a woman who I admire enormously, and I 151 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 3: would just fall into this rabbit hole of amazing stories, 152 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 3: the story of audacity and pioneering and Israel lifting itself 153 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 3: up and lifting other people up. And I thought, this 154 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 3: is an incredible side at Israel that even people who 155 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 3: know a great deal about Israel just don't know. And 156 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 3: when I left the delegation, I actually started running trips 157 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 3: to developing countries. I would take groups to look specifically 158 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 3: what Israel was doing in countries like Kenya, Uganda, Nepal, Guatemala, India, 159 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 3: and the list went on. And when the pandemic struck 160 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty, I was supposed to take a group 161 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 3: to Tanzaniana. Obviously I couldn't, so instead of being able 162 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 3: to go in real life, I thought, Okay, it's time 163 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 3: to start writing this story down. And that's when I 164 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 3: started writing it. So it's four years in the making. 165 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 3: And what is so astounding about the story about Israel 166 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 3: and international development, which is what stand Up Nation is about, 167 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 3: is that in its first ten years, Israel was desperately poor. 168 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 3: It was a developing country. It's very first years has 169 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 3: every imaginable problem. Of course, there's the security issues, it's 170 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 3: attacked by all the surrounding nations. It's isolated on the 171 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 3: global stage. It's gonna be a situation that sounds very 172 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 3: familiar to today. But added to that, it's a nation 173 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 3: where you have an overwhelming number of new immigrants and 174 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 3: refugees that are flooding in. So first you have the 175 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 3: refugees from Arab states. The surrounding Arab countries essentially expel 176 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 3: or they're starting to murder or perpetrate violence against the 177 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 3: Jewish populations, and so they start to flee, and hundreds 178 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 3: of thousands come to Israel. And then, of course you 179 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 3: have survivors of the Holocaust. And so Israel, which is 180 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 3: fairly new, doesn't have much in the way of an army. 181 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 3: It certainly doesn't have equipment, it's not fully esport, it's 182 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 3: not trained, and it's fighting this war survival. Plus it's 183 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 3: got all these incoming refugees who are penniless. They don't 184 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 3: have anything. They need housing, they need food, they need education, 185 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 3: they need language training, they need jobs. Israel's population douvils 186 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 3: in its first two years, and then it grows seven 187 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 3: times after that. Any country would be crippled by that 188 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 3: rate of population growth. And Israel has this rule that 189 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 3: any Jews is allowed to come, and so continues to 190 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 3: absorb and absorb and absorb, and as to provide for 191 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 3: the needs of them. And so you have these first 192 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 3: people coming in hundreds of thousands living ma Barut, which 193 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 3: are exactly their ten cities or shanty towns. It's tin 194 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 3: and wood little shacks. There's no running water, the hygiene 195 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 3: is very, very poor, and it's just a desperately poor situation. 196 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 3: It is in this context that Israel is a developing 197 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 3: country that it founds an international development agency. And what 198 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 3: happens is that goldmitt Air she becomes Israel's Foreign Minister. 199 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 3: She's appointed by David Bengurion, and she looks at the situation. 200 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 3: She sees Israel isolated and poor on the global stage, 201 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 3: and she understands that a nation cannot dwell alone. In 202 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 3: Israel's Declaration of independence, it speaks about reaching out a 203 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 3: hand in friendship and partnership to the other nations of 204 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 3: the world, to the surrounding Arab nations, and to the 205 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 3: Jewish people, that everybody should be a part of the 206 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 3: project of building this state. Now, the Arab nations, there's 207 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 3: no chance they've slept the hand away. And so what 208 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 3: she says is she looks out into the world and 209 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 3: she sees that in Africa there's newly born countries, and 210 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 3: she thinks maybe there's opportunity, and she goes on a 211 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 3: tour through some of the newly born African countries and 212 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 3: she's a sensation. They love her. And she comes back 213 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 3: and she goes to David Bengurian and she says to him, 214 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 3: there's a lot in common between us and these newly 215 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 3: born countries. We're the same age. We've both emerged from 216 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 3: under the thumb of colonialism. We're desperately poor, We're dealing 217 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 3: with dry and arid farming conditions. And the difference is 218 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 3: that I know we Israel will build ourselves up, that 219 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 3: we will use our knowledge and innovation, and while we 220 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 3: build ourselves up, I want to help them at the 221 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 3: same time. And she's a persuasive woman, one of the 222 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 3: reasons I admire her. And she convinces him in nineteen 223 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 3: fifty eight to for an international development agency. This is 224 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 3: before the US has one, before Canada, before England, before 225 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 3: the United Nations has its development program. Israel becomes one 226 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 3: of the first countries in the world to extend its 227 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 3: hand in French whip can support to other nations of 228 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 3: the world. 229 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 2: I love that. I love that, I love your answer, 230 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 2: and I just love that. 231 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 1: I really that's such a good answer, and It's such 232 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: a thorough answer and such an education, and this is 233 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: why I love talking to you. 234 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 3: I had to make up points because I didn't get 235 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 3: such an enthusiastic response on my Kamala Harris. I didn't 236 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 3: score so well there, so I was making up bonus. 237 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 2: Points here a. 238 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 3: Podcast. 239 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 2: You started writing the book four years ago. 240 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: I'm a mad you were close to being done, if 241 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: not done, done with your you know you know your 242 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: final draft October seventh. 243 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 2: Correct. 244 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 3: I submitted the book six weeks before October seventh. 245 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: Okay, so how did the book? You writing the book? 246 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: You putting out the book, adding to the book. Obviously 247 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: this book is so israel centric and so pro Israel. 248 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: How did October seventh specifically affect the book and changing 249 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: the book? Did it change your book? What did you 250 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: have to add or subtract from Stand Up Nation? 251 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 3: So I submitted the manuscript for the book six weeks 252 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 3: before October seventh. The war hits. That would normally be 253 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 3: the time the book was supposed to come out in 254 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 3: the fall of twenty twenty three. I was supposed to 255 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 3: be doing with revisions with my publisher. I told my publisher, 256 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 3: I cannot talk to you. I cannot talk to anybody 257 00:14:55,520 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 3: for months, and then when things sort of never returned 258 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 3: to normal, but when it equally created just a little bit, 259 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 3: I went back to the manuscript and I looked at it, 260 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 3: and I wrote a new introduction, and I also went back. 261 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 3: In addition to detailing Israel's history and international development, the 262 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 3: vast majority of the book actually tells the stories of 263 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 3: these amazing Israeli entrepreneurs who have founded international development agencies, 264 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 3: and I've profiled about twenty of them in the book. 265 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 3: I went back to each of them and I gave 266 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 3: them the opportunity to write a PostScript in light of 267 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 3: October seventh about how their work was impacted or how 268 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 3: they're thinking of their feelings about doing this work with 269 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 3: other people has changed. The resounding message that I got 270 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 3: back from people was that the experience of October seventh 271 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 3: just reaffirmed this desire to grow partnerships and cross border friendships, 272 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 3: and that there was a doubling down on the work. 273 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 3: But of course there was also one component, which is 274 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 3: one of the people that I profiled in the book 275 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 3: is a woman by the name of Shoshan Haram and Shoshan, 276 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 3: along with members of her family was from Kibootz Berry. 277 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 3: Her parents were founders of kibootz Bery and kiboots that 278 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 3: most people would have never heard of until October seventh, 279 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 3: and she's one of the people. She's the founder of 280 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 3: a fantastic nonprofit called Fair Planet. Shoshan has an incredible 281 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 3: history working in the seed industry, and the idea behind 282 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 3: Fair Planet is she was working in the private sector 283 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 3: for our multinational seed company, and she's looking out at 284 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 3: the world and she con sees that the best seeds 285 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 3: in the world, the ones that are going to produce 286 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 3: the highest yield and the best quality fruits and vegetables, 287 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 3: are only affordable by the richest countries. And she's seeing 288 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 3: this abject poverty, particularly in African countries, and she wants 289 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 3: to figure out how she can get the best seeds 290 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 3: into the hands of the people who need it most 291 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 3: because of food in security being an enormous problem, and 292 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 3: she founds Fair Planet in order to be able to 293 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 3: do that, and the way that she does it, in 294 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 3: the story of how she does is quite incredible. It's 295 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 3: detailed in the book. Now. In October seventh, Shoshan is 296 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 3: taken hostage. Her husband was murdered her sister was murdered. 297 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 3: She was taken a lot with her daughter, her son 298 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 3: in law and their young children, other members of the 299 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 3: family as well. Now Shoshan, her daughter and the kids. 300 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 3: They came back in the deal in November, but her 301 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 3: son in law Tall is still there, still a hostage 302 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 3: in Gaza. So in light of that, I didn't I 303 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 3: reached out to Shoshan into partners at Fair Planet, and 304 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 3: their message was exactly the same, was that this is 305 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 3: the work that has to continue. This is her life's mission, 306 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 3: in her life's work, and it's gone on. I rewrote 307 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 3: the introduction to Stand Up Nation because in this moment 308 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 3: where the Jewish people feel so profoundly alone, and so 309 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 3: many feel so very scared and abandoned and hurt by 310 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 3: what's been going on, not just by the attack on 311 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 3: October seventh, but also in the ensuing anti Semitism that's 312 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 3: exploded around the world, to the absolute insanity of what 313 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 3: we see in the media and social media every day. 314 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 3: When you have a discussion, as we saw today on 315 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 3: CNN about whether an individual can be considered as the 316 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 3: running mate for Kamala Harris because he's Jewish, nobody would 317 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 3: ever say that if he was black or Muslim or 318 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 3: gay or anything like that. But the notion that this 319 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 3: can be mainstream conversation. We live in insane times, and 320 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 3: so I wanted to rewrite the introduction. And I think 321 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 3: the story of Israel in its earliest years gives us 322 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 3: hope of the idea that it's always been our story 323 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 3: to tell. Nobody else is going to be the author 324 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 3: of our story of Israel and the Jewish people, and 325 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 3: just as the same today, nobody's writing that story for us. 326 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 3: So that's what I rewrote in the introduction. And when 327 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 3: I sent out a message to everybody who contributed to 328 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 3: the book to let them know that it was finally 329 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 3: being published, Shoshan was actually the first person to write 330 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 3: back to me and congratulate me. 331 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 2: I love that. 332 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: Wow, that's crazy that she was the first person to 333 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: to get back to you. 334 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 2: All right, you. 335 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: Mentioned that I reached out to you on Twitter and said, 336 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: who are you? 337 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 2: You have been a. 338 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: Tremendous source, not just to me, but I know to 339 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 1: you know, three hundred plus thousand people, sock puppets, fake accounts, 340 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 1: hate accounts, but primarily people that look to you to 341 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 1: give and share, you know, information, in real time, you know, 342 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 1: to remind us of where we are, to remind us 343 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: of where we are in context since October seventh. Explain 344 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: to me, Explain to the people on Twitter that I'm 345 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: going to share this with. How the fuck do you 346 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: get your information? How do you keep up? And do 347 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: you sleep? So that's a three or four part question 348 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: because you're doing it in real time? 349 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 2: So how where? And sleep? 350 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: And do you cut what you like? If you do sleep? 351 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: What kind of sheets do you sleep on? Because I'm 352 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: feeling you might not have great sheets because you're always 353 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: you're always giving us the information. 354 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,719 Speaker 3: The thread count isn't amazing. There's no Egyptian cotton in 355 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 3: my life. That's true. I also spend a lot of 356 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 3: time at hotels, so you tell me what the Hilton 357 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 3: is using. That's true. I consume a lot of news. 358 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 3: I've always been someone who consumes a lot of news, 359 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 3: and I filter the news pretty fast, and it's sort 360 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 3: of it's I think survival actually from when I worked 361 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 3: for Israel at the UN. It's one person trying to 362 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 3: do far too much, and so you get pretty hyper efficient. 363 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 3: And that's constantly what I'm doing is absorbing the news 364 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 3: trying to make sense of it. And then I said 365 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 3: it earlier, which is the truth, is that whenever I 366 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 3: see something in the news or somebody says something that 367 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 3: I think is nonsense, I in the internal voice goes like, hell, 368 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 3: that'll be the last word on that. And that's what 369 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 3: issues a tweet. So you can go count how many 370 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 3: times in a day I think like, hell, that'll be 371 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 3: the last word on that. And it is day and 372 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 3: night to do all the unhealthy things. The phone is 373 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 3: in the room with me, it's not silenced. The rocket 374 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 3: alarms go off, and that's why there's a pretty constant 375 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 3: stream of tweets all the time. 376 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 2: All right, fair enough the UN. You worked at the UN. 377 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: I had a come to Hashem moment when I learned 378 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: in the last nine months what the UN has done, 379 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: what the UN hasn't done, and what the UN means 380 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: to me as a New Yorker and a Jewish New Yorker, 381 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: And when it hit me and when I realized what 382 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: kind of a racket it is, it really it knocked 383 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: me on my ass. Because I grew up in Manhattan. 384 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: I grew up on York Avenue, coming up First Avenue, 385 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: driving past the UN being mad at the traffic, but 386 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: also as a kid specifically thinking well, if there's traffic 387 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: and it's at the UN, something important must be going on, 388 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: so just chill. You know, it's got to be a 389 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: big deal and important and a kosher, above board thing. 390 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: What is the reality of the UN's relationship and treatment 391 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: of Israel. 392 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 3: It's absolutely garbage. It's an abomination that the United Nations 393 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 3: is able to do what it does. This is an 394 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 3: institution that is notorious for its bias against Israel. It 395 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,479 Speaker 3: singles out Israel more than any other country many times 396 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 3: over in the General Assembly, in the Human Rights Council. 397 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 3: I mean, on and on and on and on. You 398 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 3: have one hundred and ninety three countries that belong to 399 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,719 Speaker 3: the United Nations. You have twenty two Arab states, you 400 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 3: have fifty seven that belong to something called the Organization 401 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 3: of Islamic Cooperation. It describes itself as the voice of 402 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 3: the Muslim world. And then you have one hundred and 403 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 3: twenty countries that belong to something called the Non Aligned Movement, 404 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 3: which has a whole historic significance. About when you had 405 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 3: the Soviet Union on one side, the United States on 406 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 3: the other, you had lots of new born countries that 407 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 3: didn't want to pick sides for fear of backing the loser. Ultimately, 408 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 3: so they formed their own movements and grew and grew 409 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 3: as new countries were informed. And so today it's one 410 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 3: hundred and twenty members out of one hundred and ninety three. 411 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 3: When I was working for Israel at the UN, the 412 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 3: chair of the Non Aligned Movement, the country that was 413 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 3: sending the directives on how to vote to every other 414 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 3: member state was Iran, and after it was Iran, it 415 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 3: was Venezuela, which I'd call Iran's BFF, its best fundamentalist friend. 416 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 3: So the notion that these are the countries that can 417 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 3: take on leadership roles and give directives to the other 418 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 3: countries in the world about how they're going to vote 419 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 3: and how they're going to school democracies is simply outrageous. 420 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 3: There's one hundred and ninety three member states. How many 421 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 3: do you think are democracies at the UN? 422 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 2: I don't know. 423 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 3: The answer is eighty seven, So it's forty five percent. 424 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 3: You have dictatorships and authoritarian states that are running rampant. 425 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 3: They are utilizing the democratic tools of the United Nations 426 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,719 Speaker 3: in order to order the rest of us around the 427 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 3: notion that Iran can sit as chair of the Disarmament 428 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 3: Unit while it's sitting trying to build a nuclear bomb 429 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 3: to wipe out half of the Middle East. It's simply outrageous. 430 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 3: And I think the other question that I'm not sure 431 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 3: if you're going to ask me, so I'll ask it 432 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 3: of myself. People always say to me, well, why does 433 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 3: Israel participate? No country has to belong to the United Nations, 434 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 3: it's not obligatory. And more than that, you have to 435 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 3: pay dues to be a member in good standing to 436 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 3: be able to vote and participate in the UN. So 437 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 3: Israel pays to endure the absolutely abhorrent treatment that it 438 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 3: gets at the UN. And that was never a question 439 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 3: that we asked inside of the delegation, because there should 440 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 3: not be a moment of doubt in anybody's mind that 441 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 3: Israel has every right to participate in and contribute to 442 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 3: global affairs. It's the most important thing I'm going to 443 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 3: say all day, So I'm going to say it again. 444 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 3: Israel has the Jewish people have every right to participate 445 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 3: in and contribute to equally to global affairs, to their communities, 446 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,239 Speaker 3: to their societies and their countries, and we're not going 447 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 3: to accept for one second anything less than that, as 448 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 3: you can see, full. 449 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: Of indignation when you were there, Obviously you were aware 450 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: of this. Obviously the people that were representing and working 451 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: on behalf of Israel were aware of this. 452 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 3: Correct, of course, absolutely. 453 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: And did you feel like almost like an outcast working there? 454 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 2: Like did you feel like why are we here? 455 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 1: Like we're climbing up a hill, everybody hates us, Like 456 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: what the fuck are we doing here? 457 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 2: Kind of attitude. 458 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 3: It's a certain temperament that's going to work there. It's 459 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 3: a temperament that says, I'm ready for fight club. I'm 460 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 3: not here to make friends. I'm not here to be beloved. 461 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 3: I'm here to fight for the notion that i have 462 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 3: every right to participate in and contribute to everything going 463 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 3: on in this institution. And I'm not going to settle 464 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 3: for anything less. So I'm going to fight you on 465 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 3: every biased resolution. I'm going to fight you in every 466 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 3: committee where you're trying to marginalize us. I'm going to 467 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 3: fight every single un and so called expert who's supposed 468 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 3: to be neutral but is incredibly biased against us. I'm 469 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 3: not gonna let a moment of it or any one 470 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 3: of them stand. 471 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 2: I love that podcast. 472 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,719 Speaker 1: We've talked about this in real life, and it's been 473 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: a conversation. It's been a discussion. It's been frustrating. I'm pivoting. 474 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: Talk to me about your feelings of anti Zionism and 475 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: anti Semitism and explain that in the most basic, slow terms, 476 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: how you you can't be anti Zionist and not be 477 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: basically a racist piece of shit, And how it's being used, 478 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 1: and the word and the term Zionism because it's an acceptable, 479 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 1: mainstream term which means good things and positive things. How 480 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: it's being thrown in our faces. Maybe start with saying 481 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: what does it mean to be a Zionist and then 482 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: go further into the anti Zionism and the anti Semitism. 483 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. So Zionism is simply the notion that 484 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 3: the Jewish people have the right to live in their 485 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 3: historic homeland, full stop, period, nothing more. It says nothing 486 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 3: about whether you like or support Prime Minister Benjamin Eatannahu. 487 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 3: It says nothing whether you like or support the government 488 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 3: of Israel. It says nothing about whether you like or 489 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 3: support the idea of It says nothing about whether you 490 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 3: like this war, that war, this border or that border. Nothing. 491 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 3: It's about the Jewish people's right to live in their 492 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 3: historic homeland. It says nothing about whether you're also a feminist, 493 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 3: a humanist, climatist, whatever you can be. You can be 494 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 3: all these things and also be a Zionist. You can 495 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 3: support a Palestinian state and also be a Zionist. There's 496 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,919 Speaker 3: nothing that contradicts about these two things. Anti Zionists are 497 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 3: essentially telling us that Israel that sorry, the Jewish people 498 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 3: have no right to a state of their own. We 499 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 3: are not having an academic conversation anymore. We haven't been 500 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 3: having an academic conversation for nine and a half months, 501 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 3: and really for longer than that. You just need to 502 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 3: look at what is happening in the world. Anti Zionists 503 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 3: are telling us that we should go back to a 504 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 3: time and a place where the Jewish people do not 505 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 3: have sovereignty and do not have the ability to defend themselves. 506 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 3: We got a first hand look of what that looks 507 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 3: like on October seventh. If this notion of from the 508 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 3: river to the sea, which again I'm going to assume 509 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 3: most people don't know what that means, they're just chanting it. 510 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 3: It's just rhetoric at this point. But they're talking about 511 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 3: from the river, the Jordan River, to the sea, the 512 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 3: Mediterranean Sea, that all of that should be Palestine. Well, 513 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 3: then where is Israel? That was the mission of Hamas 514 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 3: in October seventh. That is the whole reason that Hamas exists, 515 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 3: that the Palestinians should own all the land between the 516 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 3: river and the sea. Well, then what happens to the Jews. 517 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 3: What happens to the Jews is what happened on October seventh, 518 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 3: And that's a small, small glimpse into what would happen 519 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 3: right now. Half the world's Jewish population lives in Israel. 520 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 3: When Israel turns one hundred in twenty four years, two 521 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 3: thirds of the world's Jews are going to live in Israel. 522 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 3: That's the estimates. And what anti Zionists are telling us 523 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 3: is to go back to a time and place in 524 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 3: history where we live at the mercy of other peoples 525 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 3: and other nations. Well, a look at history and a 526 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 3: look at the dynamics of the Middle East. Fromas Kresbola 527 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 3: Huti's just managed to successfully launch a drone that struck 528 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 3: Tel Aviv and murdered a man Iran that openly vows 529 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 3: for Israel's death. The open reality there is nobody hiding 530 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 3: their intention in these terrorist organizations. They are telling us 531 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 3: very clearly about their intention to eliminate Israel and murder 532 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 3: all Jews and anti Zionists are telling us roll over 533 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 3: and accept your faith. 534 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,479 Speaker 1: What is keeping you up the most about Israel's future 535 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: right now currently, I'll tell you what. 536 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 3: It is is that there's been so much heartbreak and 537 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 3: so much that's been horrific about the past nine and 538 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 3: a half months. But the other thing that we've gotten 539 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 3: to see. I'm somebody that spends a lot of time 540 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 3: doing research and analysis and understanding and what do people 541 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 3: think about this? And what do people think about that? 542 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 3: And we spend a lot of time trying to do 543 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 3: these analysis on paper. But in the last nine and 544 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 3: a half months, I've gotten to see and the world 545 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 3: has gotten to see the first hand character of Israelis 546 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 3: and the Jewish people. I'm talking about the people here, 547 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 3: I'm talking about people who on October seventh, the moment 548 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 3: they understood the magnitude of the attack and that Ramas 549 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 3: was preying on the weakest and most vulnerable members of 550 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 3: our society. They drove self, with or without an army uniform, 551 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 3: with or without a weapon, they drove into the fire, 552 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 3: into the line of fire to save as many lives. 553 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 3: And there's unbelievable stories of heroism, unbelievable stories of people 554 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 3: lost their lives. We haven't even begun to unearth what 555 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 3: happened on last day. And then we saw the Israeli 556 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 3: society rise to the moment. We saw that you had survivors, 557 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 3: You had hundreds of thousands of evacuees, both from the 558 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 3: South but from the North. People from the North haven't 559 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 3: been able to live in their home since October seventh. 560 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 3: And you saw that the government is struggling to manage, 561 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 3: and it's struggling because it needs to focus on the 562 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 3: army and the war. And Israeli civil society came and 563 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 3: rose up and they took care of every single need 564 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 3: of these survivors and evacuees and families who had to 565 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 3: send members to the army, young families where both parents 566 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 3: had to be deployed, taking care of kids and pick 567 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 3: up and grandparents, and all the various needs that people 568 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 3: have in their lives. Israeli people came to help one another, 569 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 3: and then you saw Jewish people around the world also 570 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 3: rise up. They sent a lot of donations, a lot 571 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 3: of money was raised, but also sending equipment and supplies 572 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 3: and love and support and solidarity visits and so forth. 573 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 3: And what we've seen in the last almost ten months 574 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 3: is this character of who we are and how we 575 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 3: stand together and look after one another. Israel and the 576 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 3: Jewish people deserve the very best leadership, the very best representation, 577 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 3: and the heartbreak for me is that they don't have 578 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 3: it in this moment. We need leaders who are going 579 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 3: to take responsibility for the failings. We need leaders who 580 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 3: are going to be honest about the changes that need 581 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 3: to be made. We need leaders who are committed to 582 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 3: the security of Israel, to the well being of our soldiers, 583 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 3: to returning home all of the hostages as quickly as possible. 584 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 3: And that's what I want to see happen. 585 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 2: Me and you spent. 586 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: Time in Israel, seeing talking, seeing things that you know, 587 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: just you know, when you give a second to contemplate 588 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: them as I am now, you know, they make my heart, 589 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: you know, race fast, or even sometimes it feels like 590 00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: skip a beat. It's hard to answer specifically one thing, 591 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: But what are a couple of the things in your 592 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: trips to Israel post October seventh that you've seen that 593 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: you'd want to share that have been the most impactful, 594 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: most heartbreaking, and most inspiring. You just kind of said it, 595 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: but things that you've seen yourself and people that you've 596 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: spoken to yourself that have been the most demoralizing and 597 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: the most inspiring. 598 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 3: So I've been to Israel seven times since October seventh. 599 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 3: It would be my eighth time in September, and a 600 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 3: lot of moments stand out in my mind. Actually one 601 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 3: was with you when we went to one of the 602 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 3: keep with Seam and we saw the home of the 603 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 3: Sieman Tav family, which is a young couple with three 604 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 3: young children, and there's the sister of the husband of 605 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 3: the family. Walked us into this house which was black 606 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 3: with stood, everything was burnt, and she showed us the 607 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 3: safe room door and showed us where terrorist had shot 608 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 3: at the door trying to get in, and behind that 609 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 3: door is cowering her brother, brother's wife and their three 610 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 3: really young children, and smoke is filling up the house 611 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 3: and the parents were shot and then ultimately they couldn't 612 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 3: get any security team to them or an emergency response 613 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 3: to them, and they ended up being burned alive, the 614 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 3: entire family. And this woman that's showing us what happened 615 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 3: and talking about it. And we went next door and 616 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 3: we saw very similar story from the neighbors, and this 617 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 3: family happened to survive, but they showed us this little 618 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 3: room where they were sitting there, almost suffocating to death, 619 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 3: choking on the smoke. And as we walked out, one 620 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 3: of the women was showing me a photograph. Her parents 621 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 3: had been murdered on October seventh, and she was showing 622 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 3: me a photograph graph of the grave, and I started, 623 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 3: I burst into tears and I was crying, and this 624 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 3: poor woman who's lost more than I can comprehend, is 625 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 3: trying to comfort me. And so it doesn't feel great, 626 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 3: but that moment stands out for me. I also remember 627 00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 3: we went to the Nova site together, meeting with one 628 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 3: of the Zaco workers who has seen things in his 629 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 3: lifetime that no human should have to see, nevermind experience, 630 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 3: and it's so evident that his soul has really been 631 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 3: broken and that he'll never really be the same again. 632 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 3: And right there also we met Moran who had been 633 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,359 Speaker 3: taken hostage on October seventh and was actually released in 634 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 3: one of the November deals as well. And just listening 635 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 3: to her story. But when you think about it, you 636 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 3: had twelve hundred people murdered on October seventh, you had 637 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,760 Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty three people taken hostage. You have countless, 638 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,839 Speaker 3: as I said, stories of heroism of the people who 639 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,800 Speaker 3: went south. There are so many stories that need to 640 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 3: be told. And I think one of the things that 641 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 3: stands out in my mind is that what Hamas was 642 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 3: trying to do in October seventh was reduce us to ash. 643 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 3: They literally burnt people alive. They wanted to eliminate us 644 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 3: as a people, eliminate us as a human, eliminate us 645 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 3: as an individual. And what I think our story is 646 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 3: and why I'm so to know you and so proud 647 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 3: to see all that you're doing, is that you're shining 648 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 3: a spotlight to tell people's stories, to actually reverse what 649 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 3: from Us was trying to do. And you're lifting people 650 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 3: up and telling their stories and giving them an identity, 651 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 3: both the living and those that we lost. 652 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate that. And you know, like I said of. 653 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: Eva, you know, meeting you and seeing you on social 654 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: media and what you share and the diligence and the 655 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: hard work. It is hard work, and it is you know, 656 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: it's thinkless, you know, work sharing all that information that 657 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,359 Speaker 1: you do on social media. 658 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 2: You know, I can't tell you how much I. 659 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: Tell you this before, you know, all the time you know, 660 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: and even when I've reached out to you, just how 661 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: much it means to me and I know how much 662 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 1: it means to other people. And I can't urge and 663 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: implore everybody to get stand up nation and read Aviva's 664 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,280 Speaker 1: book and continue to support our work. My final question 665 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,959 Speaker 1: is what do you want to do with the rest 666 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 1: of your life? What do you want to do with 667 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: the rest of your time? And you know, what are 668 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: your hopes, goals and aspirations. You know, personally in regards 669 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: to you know you're writing your work. I know you're 670 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: a former zoologists. As I talked about in the opening, 671 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: Where do you plan on going with this this brain 672 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 1: that you have yours, and this fortitude and this grit 673 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: that you have because you're a tough, fucking tough broad. 674 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 3: That's a big question. I think it's a hard question 675 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 3: to answer. In this war, this war when I worked 676 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 3: for Israel. The un I worked in a war. It 677 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 3: was fifty days, and we thought it was interminable. Part 678 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 3: of the ethos of Israel that David Ben Guri and 679 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 3: Israel's first Prime Minister said was that Israel's supposed to 680 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 3: fight short wars. It's a little country. It can sustain this. 681 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 3: It can't sustain it in terms of the army power, 682 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 3: in terms of the impact on the economy of not 683 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 3: having so many people working. It's an army that demands 684 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 3: the reserves, and so you're pulling people away from their families, 685 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 3: from their homes, and it's a very interconnected type society. 686 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,839 Speaker 3: We thought fifty days of war was incredibly That's the 687 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 3: story actually in my first book, which is called Speaking 688 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,399 Speaker 3: for Israel. And now we're at two hundred and eighty 689 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 3: nine days of war with no end in sight, literally, 690 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 3: and so in this moment, I can't answer what's next 691 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 3: because I'm so focused on the day to day of 692 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 3: waking up every day and saying I will not let 693 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 3: that stand. I will not let that be the last 694 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 3: word on this. I will not stand for less than 695 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 3: the equal rights and equal participation. So I'm in it 696 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 3: for the however long this is going to be and 697 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 3: then afterwards I can think about what the future looks like. 698 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 3: But I certainly hope that includes the Michael Rappaport Susan 699 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 3: Sarandon remix of the remix of the remix. 700 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 1: Right because we did the original that we did the remix, 701 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 1: do we do a remix of the remix or we 702 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: didn't do the remix of the remix. 703 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 3: It trying to keep count, if I'm being honest, but 704 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:50,720 Speaker 3: it deserves it. 705 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: It's hard to keep count. But the people, the people 706 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: want to, you know, funny thing to leave out. 707 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 2: And I don't know. 708 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: Aviva is as smart as she is and as well 709 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: read as she is, her pop culture knowledge is embarrassing. 710 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 1: But the other day, you know the movie Thelman Louise 711 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: of Eva. 712 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 3: Of course I know it. Have I seen it? No? 713 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,799 Speaker 3: But yes, okay, but. 714 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 1: It was on TV and I was watching it and 715 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: I was enjoying Susan Saranon and and Gena Davison. I 716 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: was enjoying the film and then I was like, oh shit, 717 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: we remixed the remix. 718 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,760 Speaker 2: Of the Susan Saranon original song. 719 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: Anyway, Again, I can't urge people enough to get Stand 720 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 1: Up Nation, which is available wherever you get books, Amazon, 721 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: That and the Third Place, and to follow Aviva at 722 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: Aviva Columpass. It'll be in the show notes. It's at 723 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: the beginning, it's at the end. And I appreciate you 724 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: coming on the im Rappaport Stereo podcast. I appreciate your work, 725 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 1: and I appreciate your friendship, and I appreciate your fierce Jewish. 726 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:54,959 Speaker 2: Zionism of Eva. 727 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: It has inspired me and I know it has inspired 728 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 1: a lot of other people. 729 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 3: I'm sure it is mutual. Thank you. 730 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: I want to thank a Viva for joining me on 731 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: the Iron Rapport Stereo podcast again. Follow her at Aviva 732 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 1: Clumpass on Twitter. Trust me, trust me. 733 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 2: She is a must. 734 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,920 Speaker 1: Follow on Twitter and on Instagram. And you could get 735 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: her newest book, Stand Up Nation Israeli Resilience in the 736 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 1: Wake of Disaster. You could get that book on Amazon 737 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your books. 738 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 2: Miles Jordan A. 739 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 1: Cavib Bleach Brothers aka The Dust Brothers and this Iron 740 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: wrap Port Stereo podcast. By taking me out of you 741 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 1: with something real nice, take me at it with something 742 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 1: real loud, but most importantly, take me out of here 743 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 1: with something real funky. This has been The Iron Rapport 744 00:40:47,520 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 1: stereo podcast, I'm Out