WEBVTT - Who Was 2024's Biggest Breakout Star? | Fantasy Football Awards + Did We Get Our Preseason Bold Predictions Right? (Ep. 1514) 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:04.040 Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is the Fantasy 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:06.520 Awards live stream. It is me, Joey b jo Pi 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:10.399 Zapeta with me, Pat fitz Morris, Andrew Erickson, Derek Brown. 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:13.720 An all pro cast here that's right to help look 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:16.360 back at the year that was twenty twenty four and 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:18.960 maybe talk about what might be ahead in twenty twenty five. 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:22.079 We're gonna hand out the hardware right here on the 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:24.959 program today. The guys have some awards to give out 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:27.360 and you're not gonna want to miss part two of 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:29.760 this show today some special fun and games that I 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.880 have lined up, and the guys have no idea what's 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:35.880 in store for them, and that, my friends, is the best. 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:38.919 Pat fitz Morris, Andrew Erics and Derek Brown. It's nice 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:40.800 to see all of us together. We don't get to 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:43.240 do this very often. It feels very Brady bunching here. 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:47.040 Hopefully one of you will clean up after yourselves at 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:48.360 some point, because I don't want to live in a 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:50.760 house with so many of you. But it's gonna be 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:52.720 a good time here today again going through some of 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:55.520 the best and worst of twenty twenty four Fantasy football. 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:57.760 If you've got some comments you want to make, go 0:00:57.800 --> 0:00:59.840 ahead and drop him in the chat. And of course 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:02.080 chats are available too if you want to drop them in. 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:04.399 We can take them later in the show if we 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:06.920 have time. But before we get to all that business, 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:08.880 and another piece of business that I want to talk 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:11.000 about here, which is join us on the Betting Pros 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:16.200 on four fifteen. That's right, four fifteen, This coming Saturday 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:19.080 at four to fifteen, Bogman myself are gonna be live 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:25.280 in game, live betting for the Wildcard. 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But the Wildcard begins over a 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:52.400 Betting Pros make sure you subscribe to the channel and 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:55.200 ring the belt to like goose ding for notifications. All right, gentlemen, 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:57.960 let's begin the process of the hardware. The Golden Globes 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:01.720 were this weekend. They pay on comparison to what we're 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:03.520 gonna do today, and I see most of you dressed 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:06.680 up just for the occasion. So let's start with, of course, 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:10.600 our breakout stars of twenty twenty four. De bro, why 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:12.519 didn't you kick us off here? Who do you think 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:14.640 was the true breakout of this season? 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:17.200 Well, we all know the name I'm going to here, baby, 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:19.960 it's Jayden Daniels. I mean, we talked about them all 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:25.040 draft season. The QB four and fantasy points per game people, 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:28.280 weeks one through seventeen and when it mattered most to 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:32.160 help you bring home said hardware, that man in week 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:36.840 sixteen and seventeen average thirty thirty four point six Fantasy 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:38.400 points per game. 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:40.320 All of his QB one. 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:45.079 Rates, his top six rates all tied Josh Allen, except 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:45.560 you didn't have. 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:49.000 To pay the price in ADP. That's my guy. Not bad. Yeah. 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:51.880 Number five overall Fantasy points per game for quarterbacks twenty 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:53.960 one point five on Fantasy Bros. Looking at it now, 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:57.440 is a pretty good year for Jayden Daniels, our consensus 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:01.040 number one quarterback in the draft. That's all right. Why 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:02.960 the Bears don't hire us for GM, I don't know, 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:05.359 But maybe there'll be an opening soon. Could be we'll 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:09.240 see Fitzmorris. Let's talk about breakouts of twenty twenty four. 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:12.240 Maybe it's a rookie. Maybe it's not for you. Who 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:15.280 did you award this big piece of hardware to you? 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:19.040 Oh it's another rookie. It's Brock Bowers. And every year 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:22.160 Joe fantasy managers go into draft season thinking about how 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:24.560 they're going to solve the tight end problem and make 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:27.360 no mistake like this position has been a problem. The 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.880 only reliable solution in recent years has been to draft 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:35.160 Travis Kelcey. But, my friends, the train, that train has 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:38.400 reached the end of the line, last stop, the Kelsey 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:42.320 Express twenty twenty four. But just as Kelsey ran out 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:44.600 of steam, along came a new hero at tight end. 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:47.760 It was Brock Powers one hundred and twelve catches, eleven 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:51.800 hundred and ninety four yards, five touchdowns. Bowers finished third 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:55.320 among all players in receptions tight ends and wide receivers 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:58.840 only Jamar Chase and Aman Ross Saint Bron had more catches. 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:03.000 Bowers tied for eighth among all pass catchers and receiving yardage, 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.280 tied with CD Lamb. And here's the exciting thing. Joe 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:09.920 Bowers did all this with Gardner Minshew and Aidan O'Connell 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:12.480 as his quarterbacks. Like, I don't know if the quarterback 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:15.280 situation gets better for the Raiders in twenty twenty five, 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:18.120 but it's probably not going to be any worse. And look, 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:21.720 Trey McBride excellent young tight end also, but we got 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:25.719 the Trey McBride breakout last year. So Brock Powers the 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:28.600 new Travis kelcey and I kind of think he should 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:30.799 be a first round pick in twenty twenty five drafts. 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:32.640 I agree with you. I think he is going to 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.280 be around the ten, eleven, twelve And that turned conversation. 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:37.200 I see people talk about it already and some people 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:39.320 don't like it. I like it, and fits likes it, 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:42.120 so it must be right. Andrew ericson, I have a 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.000 sneaking suspicion who your breakout star of twenty twenty four is, 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:47.400 but let's make it official here on the program. 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:52.120 DTJ wide receiver one season. Brian Thomas Junior. It was 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:54.800 the perfect storm. I projected, bet on it that he 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.960 would lead all rookie receiving rookie receivers and receiving yards 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:01.480 this year, and he did. Beat everybody. Marvin Harrison, he 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:03.360 beat the leak neighbors, his teammate at ll See. It 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:06.400 didn't matter. So yeah, Brian Thomas Junior. I think that 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:08.440 he's going to be in the discussion in the first 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:11.920 round of twenty twenty five fantasy football drafts with his 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:13.520 old teammate, elite neighbors. 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.039 So yeah, Brian Thomas Jr. 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.320 And to give credit where Brock Bauers was doing with 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:21.839 Aidan O'Connell and Desmond Ritter and Gardner Minshew, well, Brian 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:24.840 Thomas Junior was finishing the season strong with MATC Jones, 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:29.080 So getting Trevor Lawrence, potentially maybe Ben Johnson coming in 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:32.280 to be the offensive play caller for the Jacksonville Jaguars. 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:36.159 Very excited about Brian Thomas Junior after his rookie year 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:37.480 and to see what he can do in year two. 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:41.320 All right, what did you get a little worried when 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:42.920 Mac Jones took over a quarterback back? 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:46.880 No, I was already queuing up the before mac Jones 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:47.919 entered in as quarterback. 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:52.400 Brian was ex he had that right there. You have 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:52.960 to scrap that. 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.200 Ericson was trying to cash out that bet that he made. 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:57.240 He was like, okay, what's the cash out? Is it 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:57.960 a little profit? 0:05:58.040 --> 0:05:58.640 Can I get him? 0:05:58.920 --> 0:05:59.040 Ad? 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:01.359 He had hold of me to the prediction, because you know, 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:04.440 Relawn's got hurt guys. All right, let's go to the 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:06.400 flip side of mine. By the way, was the second 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.080 year guy, Jackson Smith and Chigua. That was my breakout 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:11.479 from this year. Sometimes it's easy with the rookies to 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:15.560 be breakouts, but jsn breakout year for him. I'm looking 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:17.400 for big things out of him next year too. All right, 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.400 let's go to the biggest busts of twenty twenty four. Ericson, 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:23.320 We'll start with you this time. Who was the biggest 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:25.840 disappointment when the dust settled on the twenty twenty four 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:26.919 fantasy season for you? 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:29.760 Yeah, so maybe he's not everyone's biggest bus but for 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:31.800 me personally, it was Breece Hall because that's the guy 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:33.920 I definitely drafted the most of when it comes to 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:37.440 like the first round picks and specifically at the running 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.440 back position. So look RB eighteen overall RB eighteen and 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.239 points per game, far from what I expected of putting 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.240 him as my RB one. So I got I felt 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:47.960 so smart faan Christian McCaffrey. When I get Brees Hall instead, 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:51.279 it's like, oh great, like like it doesn't feel like 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:53.559 a win because I still didn't draft a good running 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:56.240 back in the first round. So I'm trying to look 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:58.000 back and see, you know, where did I go wrong 0:06:58.040 --> 0:06:59.720 with Breese Hall? And it comes back to simple and 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:03.280 all where people were saying two Jets going round one, 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:04.000 what could go wrong? 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:08.679 Well, everything could go wrong is exactly what happened. 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:12.240 So I underrated Braylan Allen and he was better than 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:13.920 I expected. Again, he was a really I liked him 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:15.840 as a prospect, but I didn't expect him to necessarily 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:17.920 hit the ground running as he did and kind of 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.320 eat into bres haall especially during the beginning of the season. 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:22.800 Obviously you have the coach Firings the Jets just being 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:23.760 an absolute disaster. 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:27.480 Hall scored fewer touchdowns than the year before, which I 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:28.160 could not believe. 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.440 I still didn't believe it to what I'm reading off 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:33.360 the stats that this offense was somehow worse with Aaron 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:36.960 Rodgers and Zach Wilson. Just from a touchdown equity perspective. 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:40.160 I pointed out last year where Brece Haall basically never 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:42.400 got any goal line carries. He had the same amount 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:44.400 of carries inside the ten yard line in twenty twenty 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:47.080 three that he did in twenty twenty four, So again 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:49.960 still not seeing that touchdown equity, and the receiving and 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:53.080 rushing overall was just a little bit worse than last year, 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:55.960 and that just hurt his bottom line. So disappointed in 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.200 bres Hall. I still think he's a really talented player. 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:00.720 Interested to see where the ADP mark shakes out on 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:02.160 him because I don't want to give up on him. 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:04.760 But yeah, Presold for twenty twenty four is a season 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:05.760 I would like to forget. 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:09.000 All right. The Jets, for the record, also lost more 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:10.840 games this year too. You just want to throw that 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:13.600 in there, two by two. It was real close too, 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:16.440 seven and five. All right, FITZI back to you here. 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:18.560 Let's go back around the round table here and talk 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:21.680 about the biggest buss of twenty twenty four on your paper. 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:26.520 I'm gonna say it's Travis Etn and Travis Etn started 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:28.760 off with a bang in twenty twenty three and then 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:32.080 kind of slowed down around the midpoint of the regular season, 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:34.120 and maybe that was a prelude to what we were 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:37.040 going to see in twenty twenty four. Etn came into 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:41.240 this season with an ADP of RB seven sixteenth overall. 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:44.640 He finished RB thirty six in a half point PPR, 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:48.080 scoring RB forty three in fantasy points per game with 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:51.560 an average of seven point four points per game. He 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.280 hit double digit fantasy points in each of his first 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:57.280 three games, though just barely, and then had only one 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:00.640 more double digit point total all season. Were only four 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:03.600 games in which Etn had fifty or more rushing yards, 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:06.040 and only one of those games came after Week four, 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:08.959 so he had a career low two hundred and fifty 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.960 four receiving yards. He only scored two touchdowns. It was 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:14.920 a bad year for Travis Etn. No, all right, do 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:17.640 you think Travis Atn is with the Jaguars next season? Penn, 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:19.920 I don't know anyone who's going to give him the 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:23.240 bag after this year, so maybe they resigned him cheaply. 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:25.880 Maybe it's like, is he. 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:27.400 Is he a free agent? I thought he was still 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:28.080 under contract. 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:30.440 Well, we have to check on now to be sure. 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:33.960 But one thing is for sure. Trent Balkey certainly is 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:35.840 not going anywhere. He's always going to be around here. 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:37.679 How long are Travis Etn's arms, I don't know. 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:41.080 Let's get a measure on the arms. That's that will 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:43.920 be the designing factory of the contract negotiations. All right, 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:47.320 let's go to Debro for his biggest bus. And there 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:49.160 were a lot of them too. Now, sometimes, you know, 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:53.439 I don't like when busts are defined by necessarily eight injuries, 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:54.480 because that's not really fair. 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:54.679 Right. 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.760 We picked two guys here, Bruce Hall Travis Atn. They 0:09:57.760 --> 0:09:59.520 were on the field for the bulk of the season. 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.600 Ze Bro, Who's the guy for you that was on 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:04.200 the field for a bulk of the season and just 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:06.520 did not live up to the adp or the hype. 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.679 Well, the man that apparently went out of South Beach 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:12.760 Tyreek Hill. And this all falls at the feet of 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:14.720 Tyreek Hill. Like we could talk about the quarterback play 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:19.000 and toua, but Tyreek Hill was honestly terrible for most 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:21.800 of the season. I mean we're talking about you had 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:23.640 to spend a top three to top five pick to 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:27.240 get him in almost every draft the wide receiver twenty 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:30.120 nine people in fantasy points per game. He was a 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:32.920 wide receiver one and only nineteen percent of his games. 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:36.160 And just for comparison, Alec Pierce had a higher wide 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.720 receiver one rate than Tyreek Hill. Juwan Jennings had a 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:42.200 higher wide receiver one rate on a weekly basis than 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:43.080 Tyreek Hill. 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:44.120 And so don Adam Thielen. 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:47.480 And this is not just okay the quarterback stuff, because 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:50.800 Tyreek Hill was outside the top twenty five wide receivers 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:56.240 this season in separation score and route win rate. So 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:59.599 we're honestly just seeing the precipice, the tip of the 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:02.920 ice per of a player that eventually Father time comes 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:06.040 comes calling for us all and it came calling for 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:08.959 Tyreek Hill. So terrible season and I don't see a 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:10.440 bounce back in twenty twenty five either. 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.400 Great job by our producers of Michael Kelly and Seth 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:16.120 Diewald here. Aten is a team option for twenty twenty 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.079 five because he was the first round pick. And also 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:20.679 the arm length. We do have the numbers, it's thirty 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.760 and one eighth, so I'm not sure what is. 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:26.880 That percentile Joe, that means nothing not high enough for 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:28.440 ball Key, I can tell you that I. 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:31.120 Know longer than my arms. That's that's what I know, certainly. 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:32.960 Well, yeah, you know. 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.880 All right. Last year on the waiver wire, it was 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:40.160 bountiful and I mean extremely bountiful, especially from one dam 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:42.840 Ye Pukakua who ended up as a wide Receiver one 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.199 and Kyrien Williams has put up as an RB one, 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.480 both pushing for the very top of their own position 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:50.560 to unbelievable last year off the waiver wire. This year 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:54.080 it wasn't quite as exciting on the waiver wire. In fact, 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:57.520 all three of you lunatics actually picked the same guy. 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:00.360 So we're just gonna rename this the Bucky Irving for 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:04.240 twenty twenty four. It's the new award here for the 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:07.080 waiver Wire pickup of the Year And Debro, why was 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:10.400 Bucky Irving that guy for you? And is it something 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:13.280 we can bet on in twenty twenty five reoccurring? 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:15.920 We absolutely can bet on it. I mean, considering what 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:18.560 he showed. This is Kiraen Williams two point zero people. 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:21.760 He crushed, he was out left out there on waiver wires, 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.160 and I mean he makes it for me, because who 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:27.600 is the guy that not only sustained the value and 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:30.640 was a difference maker if you picked him up for 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:33.120 the entirety of the season, helped you brought home championships 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:37.120 week six through eighteen, man RB ten and fantasy points 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:41.080 per game with Rashad White still playing a prominent role 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:44.719 for all of that. So I'm an Bucky investor. I 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:46.840 think he's gonna sniff the first round in a lot 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:49.600 of drafts in twenty twenty five, and I'm here for it. 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:53.240 Man, FITZI, you are big into the college world, big 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:56.000 into the dynasty world. Did you see this Bucky Irving 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:57.800 season coming at all for the tamp Bay Buccaneers in 0:12:57.800 --> 0:12:58.440 twenty twenty zero? 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:01.400 I did not show an The reason Debro made that 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:05.800 comparison to Kyron Williams is because, like Kyron Williams, Bucky 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:08.360 Irving was kind of an undersized running back who ran 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:11.120 kind of a sluggish forty time at the combine. So 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:14.280 the combination of lack of size and lack of speed 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:17.480 turn a lot of people off. But man, like everything 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:20.680 else about Bucky's game is so good. His vision, the 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:23.280 way he strings moves together. I mean, he's just an 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:28.000 ankle breaker. He catches passes like his game is so advanced, 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:31.600 and man, he was a fun watch this year, like 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:33.920 one of the funnest running backs to watch in the league. 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:36.120 It's so funny to think, Okay, he's not as fast 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:37.640 as the other guys, he's not as big as the 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:39.840 other guys. It was more productive than most of them. 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.160 That's something that maybe we should learn when we watch 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:45.280 the combine this year too. Maybe don't go to gaga 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:46.920 over some of the things. Go back and look at 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:49.040 the tape. Look at what the guy does in games 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:51.880 that'll give you that option. Andrew Erickson, Bucky Irving, I 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:53.880 don't know if you had any shares of him. I 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:55.960 did not. I had all the Rashod White shares. So 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:58.360 my process was good. I just didn't have enough of 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:01.640 the right guy. Okay, but it was really Bucky Irving 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.440 was the guy you wanted in this backfield last season. 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:06.560 Yeah, Bucky Irving was a guy we talked a lot about. 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:08.920 Not on the Waiver Wire show or we did, but 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:11.360 on the trade show, Welch and I talked about Bucky 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:13.439 Evingy because every time we looked up or like this 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:17.600 buccaneer scheduled and the season is salivating, like Panthers, Saints, 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:21.280 all these terrible teams and guys the NFCS South still has, 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:23.440 the Panthers still has, the Falcons still has, the Saints, 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.160 all terrible teams that Bucky Irving will play next year 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:29.320 for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. So again, don't want to 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:33.280 be too aggressive potentially looking at defensive matchups. But the 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:35.200 reason that Bucky was a guy that you know, he 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:37.960 won leagues and it was predictable, so you were able 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:40.640 to acquire him in trades even if you had to 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:42.880 spend a little bit more because Rashard White was still 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:44.960 lingering around the fact that he was able to do 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:47.680 it with White still being part of the offense. But 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:49.320 we've seen over the last couple of weeks, I mean, he's 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:52.400 outtouched him by an absurd number. It's very clear where 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.000 this Buccaneers backfield is going now. The only cavet I 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:58.440 would say is Liam Cohen loves BUCKI Irving like he 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:00.440 was a big part is going back to my draft notes, 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:04.000 Leiam Cohen played a part in the Buccaneers drafting Bucky Irving. 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:06.200 He actually even drafted Bucky Irving over his guy at 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:08.840 Kentucky Ray Davis, which was really eye opening to me 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:10.200 at the time, and I wish I had weigh that 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:13.120 more heavy. So we'll see. I know Cohen is getting 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:15.680 head coaching interviews. We'll see if he ends up leaving 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:18.280 Tampa Bay. But if he stays man, it's even just 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.800 more confidence to take more shots on Bucky Irving, who 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:22.640 I agree with Dee Brow and Fitz where Yeah, it's 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:24.560 Kyen Williams two point Oh. It definitely wasn't high on 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:26.680 Kyron in year two compared to year one. 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:28.800 I won't. I won't make that mistake again with Bucky. 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:32.400 I talked about this. That's a good point, right because 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:34.200 I think last year too, we were all going, Wow, 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:35.480 that was a great year for Kien, but can we 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:37.080 believe in it? And I don't think any of us, 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:38.640 I think we were all were a little gunshy on 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:40.720 Kiren and the end I've having a really good season too, 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:42.160 Go ahead thee Yeah. 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:43.560 I mean we talked about this on the show and 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:46.840 shout out to ericson on previous years. The point that 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:48.480 I think people need to take away from the Bucky 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:52.560 Irving conversation tackle breaking metrics in college translate to the 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:54.560 freaking NFL. And I'm gonna give ericson a lot of 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.960 flowers because, Okay, he was super high on Tayler. I 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:00.400 was year the year before, and I was lower on 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:02.240 him because a lot of the combine stuff and he 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:06.920 didn't test extremely well. Tackle breaking translates people. Bucky's tackle 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:10.040 breaking stuff in college was fantastic, So we can make 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.840 the same talk about Kyron and about Tyler als year 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:13.200 as well. 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.800 All right, let's get to the least likely player to 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:18.720 ever draft again. You know, I will throw this out too, 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:21.360 honorable mention maybe for Wairoar pick up of the Year 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:22.920 Jaden Daniels too, because I'm sure in a lot of 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.520 single quarterback leagues he was not drafted, and the end 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:27.600 it was a top five quarterback. And I'm sure ones 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:29.960 of people some leagues, because you know, you know a 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:31.960 lot of people drafted mahomes were not too happy. A 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:34.320 lot of people who drafted some quarterbacks did not get 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.600 the return on their investment in those single quarterback leagues. 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:38.640 I've bet Jadan Daniels showed up in a lot more 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:41.680 of those single QB championship teams than people realize. But 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:43.720 let's get to the guy that we're not touching again. 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.360 Mine's Christian Watson. He made it easy on me too, 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:48.320 tearing his acl here right before the playoffs. I don't 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:51.680 think I'm gonna be faced with that drama again. But regardless, 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:52.920 I wasn't going to do it to myself. I had 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:55.160 already promised myself in Week sixteen that I was like, 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:56.760 all right, I've learned my lesson. I'm not going to 0:16:56.800 --> 0:17:00.680 do this again. Let's start with you, Derek here, give 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:02.760 me the player that you are not going to draft again. 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:09.280 It's George Pickens. He's a false South. I'm not drafting him. 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:11.320 I don't even know on a weekly basis if he 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:14.600 even finishes the game. Considering him and DK Metcalf have 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:17.720 apparently the same affliction. Every cornerback that presses him in 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:19.359 the line or talks smack to them, they want to 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:21.560 fight in game. So you never can't tell what's gonna 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:25.879 happen with George Pickens and all of our hope for Okay, 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:27.840 he's the number one, and he's the guy that's gonna 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:30.119 get all this target share and all that kind of stuff. 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:33.120 He didn't do anything for US wide receiver thirty five 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:35.240 and fantasy points per game and on a week per 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:39.000 week basis. If you had George Pickens, you felt like 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:41.679 this was twenty twenty three all over again, because he 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.639 had six games in weekly scoring as a wide receiver 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:47.399 two or better. Well guess what he outnumbered that with 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:51.679 eight weeks outside the top forty wide receivers in weekly scoring. 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:53.920 So you were like, oh, I feel good about starting him. 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:56.479 Oh wait, he sucks again, and it was terrible. If 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:58.200 you had George Pickens in twenty twenty four. 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:00.480 Well, I'm gonna draft all those lead were in together. 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:02.040