Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is the Fantasy
Speaker 1: Awards live stream. It is me, Joey b jo Pi
Speaker 1: Zapeta with me, Pat fitz Morris, Andrew Erickson, Derek Brown.
Speaker 1: An all pro cast here that's right to help look
Speaker 1: back at the year that was twenty twenty four and
Speaker 1: maybe talk about what might be ahead in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: We're gonna hand out the hardware right here on the
Speaker 1: program today. The guys have some awards to give out
Speaker 1: and you're not gonna want to miss part two of
Speaker 1: this show today some special fun and games that I
Speaker 1: have lined up, and the guys have no idea what's
Speaker 1: in store for them, and that, my friends, is the best.
Speaker 1: Pat fitz Morris, Andrew Erics and Derek Brown. It's nice
Speaker 1: to see all of us together. We don't get to
Speaker 1: do this very often. It feels very Brady bunching here.
Speaker 1: Hopefully one of you will clean up after yourselves at
Speaker 1: some point, because I don't want to live in a
Speaker 1: house with so many of you. But it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a good time here today again going through some of
Speaker 1: the best and worst of twenty twenty four Fantasy football.
Speaker 1: If you've got some comments you want to make, go
Speaker 1: ahead and drop him in the chat. And of course
Speaker 1: chats are available too if you want to drop them in.
Speaker 1: We can take them later in the show if we
Speaker 1: have time. But before we get to all that business,
Speaker 1: and another piece of business that I want to talk
Speaker 1: about here, which is join us on the Betting Pros
Speaker 1: on four fifteen. That's right, four fifteen, This coming Saturday
Speaker 1: at four to fifteen, Bogman myself are gonna be live
Speaker 1: in game, live betting for the Wildcard. So Houston Texans Chargers,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be hanging out, giving you our best bets,
Speaker 1: walking you through some stuff, seeing how these two teams
Speaker 1: flush themselves out, and heck, it might be more entertaining
Speaker 1: to listen to us than the game, so make it
Speaker 1: your second screen experience. Again. It's me, it's Scott Bogman,
Speaker 1: and it's you. Four fifteen, one eleven, that's right, this
Speaker 1: Saturday afternoon, we're gonna be kicking things off. We're gonna
Speaker 1: go right through about till halftime and then you can
Speaker 1: watch the rest of the game and hopefully make a
Speaker 1: crap ton of money. But the Wildcard begins over a
Speaker 1: Betting Pros make sure you subscribe to the channel and
Speaker 1: ring the belt to like goose ding for notifications. All right, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: let's begin the process of the hardware. The Golden Globes
Speaker 1: were this weekend. They pay on comparison to what we're
Speaker 1: gonna do today, and I see most of you dressed
Speaker 1: up just for the occasion. So let's start with, of course,
Speaker 1: our breakout stars of twenty twenty four. De bro, why
Speaker 1: didn't you kick us off here? Who do you think
Speaker 1: was the true breakout of this season?
Speaker 2: Well, we all know the name I'm going to here, baby,
Speaker 2: it's Jayden Daniels. I mean, we talked about them all
Speaker 2: draft season. The QB four and fantasy points per game people,
Speaker 2: weeks one through seventeen and when it mattered most to
Speaker 2: help you bring home said hardware, that man in week
Speaker 2: sixteen and seventeen average thirty thirty four point six Fantasy
Speaker 2: points per game.
Speaker 3: All of his QB one.
Speaker 2: Rates, his top six rates all tied Josh Allen, except
Speaker 2: you didn't have.
Speaker 3: To pay the price in ADP. That's my guy. Not bad. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Number five overall Fantasy points per game for quarterbacks twenty
Speaker 1: one point five on Fantasy Bros. Looking at it now,
Speaker 1: is a pretty good year for Jayden Daniels, our consensus
Speaker 1: number one quarterback in the draft. That's all right. Why
Speaker 1: the Bears don't hire us for GM, I don't know,
Speaker 1: But maybe there'll be an opening soon. Could be we'll
Speaker 1: see Fitzmorris. Let's talk about breakouts of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a rookie. Maybe it's not for you. Who
Speaker 1: did you award this big piece of hardware to you?
Speaker 4: Oh it's another rookie. It's Brock Bowers. And every year
Speaker 4: Joe fantasy managers go into draft season thinking about how
Speaker 4: they're going to solve the tight end problem and make
Speaker 4: no mistake like this position has been a problem. The
Speaker 4: only reliable solution in recent years has been to draft
Speaker 4: Travis Kelcey. But, my friends, the train, that train has
Speaker 4: reached the end of the line, last stop, the Kelsey
Speaker 4: Express twenty twenty four. But just as Kelsey ran out
Speaker 4: of steam, along came a new hero at tight end.
Speaker 4: It was Brock Powers one hundred and twelve catches, eleven
Speaker 4: hundred and ninety four yards, five touchdowns. Bowers finished third
Speaker 4: among all players in receptions tight ends and wide receivers
Speaker 4: only Jamar Chase and Aman Ross Saint Bron had more catches.
Speaker 4: Bowers tied for eighth among all pass catchers and receiving yardage,
Speaker 4: tied with CD Lamb. And here's the exciting thing. Joe
Speaker 4: Bowers did all this with Gardner Minshew and Aidan O'Connell
Speaker 4: as his quarterbacks. Like, I don't know if the quarterback
Speaker 4: situation gets better for the Raiders in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 4: but it's probably not going to be any worse. And look,
Speaker 4: Trey McBride excellent young tight end also, but we got
Speaker 4: the Trey McBride breakout last year. So Brock Powers the
Speaker 4: new Travis kelcey and I kind of think he should
Speaker 4: be a first round pick in twenty twenty five drafts.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think he is going to
Speaker 1: be around the ten, eleven, twelve And that turned conversation.
Speaker 1: I see people talk about it already and some people
Speaker 1: don't like it. I like it, and fits likes it,
Speaker 1: so it must be right. Andrew ericson, I have a
Speaker 1: sneaking suspicion who your breakout star of twenty twenty four is,
Speaker 1: but let's make it official here on the program.
Speaker 5: DTJ wide receiver one season. Brian Thomas Junior. It was
Speaker 5: the perfect storm. I projected, bet on it that he
Speaker 5: would lead all rookie receiving rookie receivers and receiving yards
Speaker 5: this year, and he did. Beat everybody. Marvin Harrison, he
Speaker 5: beat the leak neighbors, his teammate at ll See. It
Speaker 5: didn't matter. So yeah, Brian Thomas Junior. I think that
Speaker 5: he's going to be in the discussion in the first
Speaker 5: round of twenty twenty five fantasy football drafts with his
Speaker 5: old teammate, elite neighbors.
Speaker 6: So yeah, Brian Thomas Jr.
Speaker 5: And to give credit where Brock Bauers was doing with
Speaker 5: Aidan O'Connell and Desmond Ritter and Gardner Minshew, well, Brian
Speaker 5: Thomas Junior was finishing the season strong with MATC Jones,
Speaker 5: So getting Trevor Lawrence, potentially maybe Ben Johnson coming in
Speaker 5: to be the offensive play caller for the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Speaker 5: Very excited about Brian Thomas Junior after his rookie year
Speaker 5: and to see what he can do in year two.
Speaker 1: All right, what did you get a little worried when
Speaker 1: Mac Jones took over a quarterback back?
Speaker 5: No, I was already queuing up the before mac Jones
Speaker 5: entered in as quarterback.
Speaker 1: Brian was ex he had that right there. You have
Speaker 1: to scrap that.
Speaker 2: Ericson was trying to cash out that bet that he made.
Speaker 2: He was like, okay, what's the cash out? Is it
Speaker 2: a little profit?
Speaker 1: Can I get him?
Speaker 6: Ad?
Speaker 1: He had hold of me to the prediction, because you know,
Speaker 1: Relawn's got hurt guys. All right, let's go to the
Speaker 1: flip side of mine. By the way, was the second
Speaker 1: year guy, Jackson Smith and Chigua. That was my breakout
Speaker 1: from this year. Sometimes it's easy with the rookies to
Speaker 1: be breakouts, but jsn breakout year for him. I'm looking
Speaker 1: for big things out of him next year too. All right,
Speaker 1: let's go to the biggest busts of twenty twenty four. Ericson,
Speaker 1: We'll start with you this time. Who was the biggest
Speaker 1: disappointment when the dust settled on the twenty twenty four
Speaker 1: fantasy season for you?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so maybe he's not everyone's biggest bus but for
Speaker 5: me personally, it was Breece Hall because that's the guy
Speaker 5: I definitely drafted the most of when it comes to
Speaker 5: like the first round picks and specifically at the running
Speaker 5: back position. So look RB eighteen overall RB eighteen and
Speaker 5: points per game, far from what I expected of putting
Speaker 5: him as my RB one. So I got I felt
Speaker 5: so smart faan Christian McCaffrey. When I get Brees Hall instead,
Speaker 5: it's like, oh great, like like it doesn't feel like
Speaker 5: a win because I still didn't draft a good running
Speaker 5: back in the first round. So I'm trying to look
Speaker 5: back and see, you know, where did I go wrong
Speaker 5: with Breese Hall? And it comes back to simple and
Speaker 5: all where people were saying two Jets going round one,
Speaker 5: what could go wrong?
Speaker 6: Well, everything could go wrong is exactly what happened.
Speaker 5: So I underrated Braylan Allen and he was better than
Speaker 5: I expected. Again, he was a really I liked him
Speaker 5: as a prospect, but I didn't expect him to necessarily
Speaker 5: hit the ground running as he did and kind of
Speaker 5: eat into bres haall especially during the beginning of the season.
Speaker 5: Obviously you have the coach Firings the Jets just being
Speaker 5: an absolute disaster.
Speaker 6: Hall scored fewer touchdowns than the year before, which I
Speaker 6: could not believe.
Speaker 5: I still didn't believe it to what I'm reading off
Speaker 5: the stats that this offense was somehow worse with Aaron
Speaker 5: Rodgers and Zach Wilson. Just from a touchdown equity perspective.
Speaker 5: I pointed out last year where Brece Haall basically never
Speaker 5: got any goal line carries. He had the same amount
Speaker 5: of carries inside the ten yard line in twenty twenty
Speaker 5: three that he did in twenty twenty four, So again
Speaker 5: still not seeing that touchdown equity, and the receiving and
Speaker 5: rushing overall was just a little bit worse than last year,
Speaker 5: and that just hurt his bottom line. So disappointed in
Speaker 5: bres Hall. I still think he's a really talented player.
Speaker 5: Interested to see where the ADP mark shakes out on
Speaker 5: him because I don't want to give up on him.
Speaker 5: But yeah, Presold for twenty twenty four is a season
Speaker 5: I would like to forget.
Speaker 1: All right. The Jets, for the record, also lost more
Speaker 1: games this year too. You just want to throw that
Speaker 1: in there, two by two. It was real close too,
Speaker 1: seven and five. All right, FITZI back to you here.
Speaker 1: Let's go back around the round table here and talk
Speaker 1: about the biggest buss of twenty twenty four on your paper.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say it's Travis Etn and Travis Etn started
Speaker 4: off with a bang in twenty twenty three and then
Speaker 4: kind of slowed down around the midpoint of the regular season,
Speaker 4: and maybe that was a prelude to what we were
Speaker 4: going to see in twenty twenty four. Etn came into
Speaker 4: this season with an ADP of RB seven sixteenth overall.
Speaker 4: He finished RB thirty six in a half point PPR,
Speaker 4: scoring RB forty three in fantasy points per game with
Speaker 4: an average of seven point four points per game. He
Speaker 4: hit double digit fantasy points in each of his first
Speaker 4: three games, though just barely, and then had only one
Speaker 4: more double digit point total all season. Were only four
Speaker 4: games in which Etn had fifty or more rushing yards,
Speaker 4: and only one of those games came after Week four,
Speaker 4: so he had a career low two hundred and fifty
Speaker 4: four receiving yards. He only scored two touchdowns. It was
Speaker 4: a bad year for Travis Etn. No, all right, do
Speaker 4: you think Travis Atn is with the Jaguars next season? Penn,
Speaker 4: I don't know anyone who's going to give him the
Speaker 4: bag after this year, so maybe they resigned him cheaply.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's like, is he.
Speaker 6: Is he a free agent? I thought he was still
Speaker 6: under contract.
Speaker 1: Well, we have to check on now to be sure.
Speaker 1: But one thing is for sure. Trent Balkey certainly is
Speaker 1: not going anywhere. He's always going to be around here.
Speaker 6: How long are Travis Etn's arms, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Let's get a measure on the arms. That's that will
Speaker 1: be the designing factory of the contract negotiations. All right,
Speaker 1: let's go to Debro for his biggest bus. And there
Speaker 1: were a lot of them too. Now, sometimes, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't like when busts are defined by necessarily eight injuries,
Speaker 1: because that's not really fair.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: We picked two guys here, Bruce Hall Travis Atn. They
Speaker 1: were on the field for the bulk of the season.
Speaker 1: Ze Bro, Who's the guy for you that was on
Speaker 1: the field for a bulk of the season and just
Speaker 1: did not live up to the adp or the hype.
Speaker 2: Well, the man that apparently went out of South Beach
Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill. And this all falls at the feet of
Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill. Like we could talk about the quarterback play
Speaker 2: and toua, but Tyreek Hill was honestly terrible for most
Speaker 2: of the season. I mean we're talking about you had
Speaker 2: to spend a top three to top five pick to
Speaker 2: get him in almost every draft the wide receiver twenty
Speaker 2: nine people in fantasy points per game. He was a
Speaker 2: wide receiver one and only nineteen percent of his games.
Speaker 2: And just for comparison, Alec Pierce had a higher wide
Speaker 2: receiver one rate than Tyreek Hill. Juwan Jennings had a
Speaker 2: higher wide receiver one rate on a weekly basis than
Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 3: And so don Adam Thielen.
Speaker 2: And this is not just okay the quarterback stuff, because
Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill was outside the top twenty five wide receivers
Speaker 2: this season in separation score and route win rate. So
Speaker 2: we're honestly just seeing the precipice, the tip of the
Speaker 2: ice per of a player that eventually Father time comes
Speaker 2: comes calling for us all and it came calling for
Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill. So terrible season and I don't see a
Speaker 2: bounce back in twenty twenty five either.
Speaker 1: Great job by our producers of Michael Kelly and Seth
Speaker 1: Diewald here. Aten is a team option for twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five because he was the first round pick. And also
Speaker 1: the arm length. We do have the numbers, it's thirty
Speaker 1: and one eighth, so I'm not sure what is.
Speaker 5: That percentile Joe, that means nothing not high enough for
Speaker 5: ball Key, I can tell you that I.
Speaker 1: Know longer than my arms. That's that's what I know, certainly.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: All right. Last year on the waiver wire, it was
Speaker 1: bountiful and I mean extremely bountiful, especially from one dam
Speaker 1: Ye Pukakua who ended up as a wide Receiver one
Speaker 1: and Kyrien Williams has put up as an RB one,
Speaker 1: both pushing for the very top of their own position
Speaker 1: to unbelievable last year off the waiver wire. This year
Speaker 1: it wasn't quite as exciting on the waiver wire. In fact,
Speaker 1: all three of you lunatics actually picked the same guy.
Speaker 1: So we're just gonna rename this the Bucky Irving for
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. It's the new award here for the
Speaker 1: waiver Wire pickup of the Year And Debro, why was
Speaker 1: Bucky Irving that guy for you? And is it something
Speaker 1: we can bet on in twenty twenty five reoccurring?
Speaker 2: We absolutely can bet on it. I mean, considering what
Speaker 2: he showed. This is Kiraen Williams two point zero people.
Speaker 2: He crushed, he was out left out there on waiver wires,
Speaker 2: and I mean he makes it for me, because who
Speaker 2: is the guy that not only sustained the value and
Speaker 2: was a difference maker if you picked him up for
Speaker 2: the entirety of the season, helped you brought home championships
Speaker 2: week six through eighteen, man RB ten and fantasy points
Speaker 2: per game with Rashad White still playing a prominent role
Speaker 2: for all of that. So I'm an Bucky investor. I
Speaker 2: think he's gonna sniff the first round in a lot
Speaker 2: of drafts in twenty twenty five, and I'm here for it.
Speaker 1: Man, FITZI, you are big into the college world, big
Speaker 1: into the dynasty world. Did you see this Bucky Irving
Speaker 1: season coming at all for the tamp Bay Buccaneers in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty zero?
Speaker 4: I did not show an The reason Debro made that
Speaker 4: comparison to Kyron Williams is because, like Kyron Williams, Bucky
Speaker 4: Irving was kind of an undersized running back who ran
Speaker 4: kind of a sluggish forty time at the combine. So
Speaker 4: the combination of lack of size and lack of speed
Speaker 4: turn a lot of people off. But man, like everything
Speaker 4: else about Bucky's game is so good. His vision, the
Speaker 4: way he strings moves together. I mean, he's just an
Speaker 4: ankle breaker. He catches passes like his game is so advanced,
Speaker 4: and man, he was a fun watch this year, like
Speaker 4: one of the funnest running backs to watch in the league.
Speaker 1: It's so funny to think, Okay, he's not as fast
Speaker 1: as the other guys, he's not as big as the
Speaker 1: other guys. It was more productive than most of them.
Speaker 1: That's something that maybe we should learn when we watch
Speaker 1: the combine this year too. Maybe don't go to gaga
Speaker 1: over some of the things. Go back and look at
Speaker 1: the tape. Look at what the guy does in games
Speaker 1: that'll give you that option. Andrew Erickson, Bucky Irving, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you had any shares of him. I
Speaker 1: did not. I had all the Rashod White shares. So
Speaker 1: my process was good. I just didn't have enough of
Speaker 1: the right guy. Okay, but it was really Bucky Irving
Speaker 1: was the guy you wanted in this backfield last season.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Bucky Irving was a guy we talked a lot about.
Speaker 5: Not on the Waiver Wire show or we did, but
Speaker 5: on the trade show, Welch and I talked about Bucky
Speaker 5: Evingy because every time we looked up or like this
Speaker 5: buccaneer scheduled and the season is salivating, like Panthers, Saints,
Speaker 5: all these terrible teams and guys the NFCS South still has,
Speaker 5: the Panthers still has, the Falcons still has, the Saints,
Speaker 5: all terrible teams that Bucky Irving will play next year
Speaker 5: for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. So again, don't want to
Speaker 5: be too aggressive potentially looking at defensive matchups. But the
Speaker 5: reason that Bucky was a guy that you know, he
Speaker 5: won leagues and it was predictable, so you were able
Speaker 5: to acquire him in trades even if you had to
Speaker 5: spend a little bit more because Rashard White was still
Speaker 5: lingering around the fact that he was able to do
Speaker 5: it with White still being part of the offense. But
Speaker 5: we've seen over the last couple of weeks, I mean, he's
Speaker 5: outtouched him by an absurd number. It's very clear where
Speaker 5: this Buccaneers backfield is going now. The only cavet I
Speaker 5: would say is Liam Cohen loves BUCKI Irving like he
Speaker 5: was a big part is going back to my draft notes,
Speaker 5: Leiam Cohen played a part in the Buccaneers drafting Bucky Irving.
Speaker 5: He actually even drafted Bucky Irving over his guy at
Speaker 5: Kentucky Ray Davis, which was really eye opening to me
Speaker 5: at the time, and I wish I had weigh that
Speaker 5: more heavy. So we'll see. I know Cohen is getting
Speaker 5: head coaching interviews. We'll see if he ends up leaving
Speaker 5: Tampa Bay. But if he stays man, it's even just
Speaker 5: more confidence to take more shots on Bucky Irving, who
Speaker 5: I agree with Dee Brow and Fitz where Yeah, it's
Speaker 5: Kyen Williams two point Oh. It definitely wasn't high on
Speaker 5: Kyron in year two compared to year one.
Speaker 6: I won't. I won't make that mistake again with Bucky.
Speaker 1: I talked about this. That's a good point, right because
Speaker 1: I think last year too, we were all going, Wow,
Speaker 1: that was a great year for Kien, but can we
Speaker 1: believe in it? And I don't think any of us,
Speaker 1: I think we were all were a little gunshy on
Speaker 1: Kiren and the end I've having a really good season too,
Speaker 1: Go ahead thee Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean we talked about this on the show and
Speaker 2: shout out to ericson on previous years. The point that
Speaker 2: I think people need to take away from the Bucky
Speaker 2: Irving conversation tackle breaking metrics in college translate to the
Speaker 2: freaking NFL. And I'm gonna give ericson a lot of
Speaker 2: flowers because, Okay, he was super high on Tayler. I
Speaker 2: was year the year before, and I was lower on
Speaker 2: him because a lot of the combine stuff and he
Speaker 2: didn't test extremely well. Tackle breaking translates people. Bucky's tackle
Speaker 2: breaking stuff in college was fantastic, So we can make
Speaker 2: the same talk about Kyron and about Tyler als year
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the least likely player to
Speaker 1: ever draft again. You know, I will throw this out too,
Speaker 1: honorable mention maybe for Wairoar pick up of the Year
Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels too, because I'm sure in a lot of
Speaker 1: single quarterback leagues he was not drafted, and the end
Speaker 1: it was a top five quarterback. And I'm sure ones
Speaker 1: of people some leagues, because you know, you know a
Speaker 1: lot of people drafted mahomes were not too happy. A
Speaker 1: lot of people who drafted some quarterbacks did not get
Speaker 1: the return on their investment in those single quarterback leagues.
Speaker 1: I've bet Jadan Daniels showed up in a lot more
Speaker 1: of those single QB championship teams than people realize. But
Speaker 1: let's get to the guy that we're not touching again.
Speaker 1: Mine's Christian Watson. He made it easy on me too,
Speaker 1: tearing his acl here right before the playoffs. I don't
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna be faced with that drama again. But regardless,
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to do it to myself. I had
Speaker 1: already promised myself in Week sixteen that I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, I've learned my lesson. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: do this again. Let's start with you, Derek here, give
Speaker 1: me the player that you are not going to draft again.
Speaker 2: It's George Pickens. He's a false South. I'm not drafting him.
Speaker 2: I don't even know on a weekly basis if he
Speaker 2: even finishes the game. Considering him and DK Metcalf have
Speaker 2: apparently the same affliction. Every cornerback that presses him in
Speaker 2: the line or talks smack to them, they want to
Speaker 2: fight in game. So you never can't tell what's gonna
Speaker 2: happen with George Pickens and all of our hope for Okay,
Speaker 2: he's the number one, and he's the guy that's gonna
Speaker 2: get all this target share and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: He didn't do anything for US wide receiver thirty five
Speaker 2: and fantasy points per game and on a week per
Speaker 2: week basis. If you had George Pickens, you felt like
Speaker 2: this was twenty twenty three all over again, because he
Speaker 2: had six games in weekly scoring as a wide receiver
Speaker 2: two or better. Well guess what he outnumbered that with
Speaker 2: eight weeks outside the top forty wide receivers in weekly scoring.
Speaker 2: So you were like, oh, I feel good about starting him.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, he sucks again, and it was terrible. If
Speaker 2: you had George Pickens in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna draft all those lead were in together.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have all the pickings then, because that's gonna
Speaker 1: be a.
Speaker 2: Good tab at it back this, well, I will offer
Speaker 2: him up to you.
Speaker 1: Joe Ericson, let's hid up your here. Your least likely
Speaker 1: player to draft at twenty twenty five? Who is it?
Speaker 6: Deebo Samuel? Any any pushback, guys?
Speaker 5: I mean he had less than twenty two receiving yards
Speaker 5: and I think five of his last six games, and
Speaker 5: brand Na Yuk didn't play like the entire season, and
Speaker 5: Deebo Samuel was a bust and all they've done is
Speaker 5: draft guys.
Speaker 6: I mean he might not be on the forty nine
Speaker 6: ers next year.
Speaker 5: So do I really trust a demo Samuel playing on
Speaker 5: a brand new team where I mean he's shown as
Speaker 5: such a decrease in production, The rushing is not there
Speaker 5: for him, the receiving efficiency is not there for him,
Speaker 5: He's always hurt. I see no reason draft Ebo, who
Speaker 5: was outside the top forty receivers in both points per
Speaker 5: game and overall scoring in twenty twenty four. So I
Speaker 5: mean the Fortinis try to trade him like they knew, like, hey,
Speaker 5: we want to get rid of this guy. We have
Speaker 5: Juwan Jennings, we have Frekiy Piersol. We want to sign
Speaker 5: brand new YUK long term. So yeah, I mean, with
Speaker 5: those three guys all coming back next year, we'll see
Speaker 5: what he gets back from his ACL injury. But I
Speaker 5: see no reason to think that Debo's gonna be forty
Speaker 5: nine er And I don't think I want to want
Speaker 5: to buy the discounted price of him wherever he ends
Speaker 5: up and fingers crossed, it's not my New England Patriots.
Speaker 1: Well, if he ends up somewhere else, it's not going
Speaker 1: to be a discount. That's the worst part. Everyone is
Speaker 1: going to buy in fresh you know, a coat West
Speaker 1: Virginia Dickens. All right, let's get to Javonte Williams here, Fitzy,
Speaker 1: that's your guy. Uh so, I guess burned one too
Speaker 1: many times by the Denver backfield.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I drafted Javante often this year, and you
Speaker 4: know I thought twenty twenty four was going to be
Speaker 4: his year, Joe, Like I was going to give him
Speaker 4: a mulligan for kind of a lackluster twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4: He was less than a year removed from his torn
Speaker 4: ACL and LCL, so you know he was going to
Speaker 4: be the lead back in to Sean payton offense, and
Speaker 4: Sean Payton's running backs have historically provided pretty immense value
Speaker 4: as pass catchers. I mean, he did have a career
Speaker 4: fifty two receptions this year, but for only three hundred
Speaker 4: and forty six receiving yards and no touchdowns. Javante didn't
Speaker 4: have a one hundred yard rushing game all year. His
Speaker 4: season high was eighty eight yards against a really bad
Speaker 4: Saints defense. Also scored two touchdowns in that game, but
Speaker 4: he only had two other touchdowns the entire season, and
Speaker 4: in all other games besides that game against the Saints,
Speaker 4: Javante averaged six point seven half point PPR Fantasy points
Speaker 4: per game, wound up in the messy backfield rotation with
Speaker 4: Julia McLoughlin and Audric Estimee. I mean, Javante is still
Speaker 4: only twenty four. I don't think we can write him
Speaker 4: off as a potential impact player down the road. I
Speaker 4: just I don't think I can ride the Javante carousel again.
Speaker 1: All right, before we get to the MVP on everyone's
Speaker 1: list here for twenty twenty four, just a quick reminder too.
Speaker 1: Now is the time to download the Betting Pros app
Speaker 1: sink your sportsbooks for free and you get the free
Speaker 1: trial thirty days of the greatest betting tools ever invented
Speaker 1: by an incredible team here at Fantasy Pros and Betting Pros.
Speaker 1: Check it out right now, thirty days for free when
Speaker 1: you use the promo code FP free. That's it, FP free.
Speaker 1: That will unlock thirty days of the premium tools on
Speaker 1: Betting Pros, which already have such incredible tools just for
Speaker 1: the free version, but the premium ones even better. So
Speaker 1: check them out today. And it's a great time too.
Speaker 1: With the next couple of days, you got Thursday Friday
Speaker 1: college playoffs, You've got NFL playoffs Saturday, Sunday, Monday. Matt
Speaker 1: Parlton and I were talking about it. Pace yourselves, boys
Speaker 1: and girls, Pace yourselves. It's going to be a long,
Speaker 1: long weekend of incredible football action. So download Betting pros
Speaker 1: app and get going FP free. Here we go, boys,
Speaker 1: it's time for the Fantasy MVP of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Derek Brown, Who is your MVP?
Speaker 3: Ericson you ready? Baby?
Speaker 2: You gotta stretch them hamstrings, sir, don't want to pull
Speaker 2: any muscles.
Speaker 3: Can't have it. Our wide receiver one of the year, baby.
Speaker 1: Try Chase triplejown.
Speaker 3: Winner, baby.
Speaker 2: And this all comes down to I'll just give you
Speaker 2: one stat, boys, the only player in fantasy quarterbacks and
Speaker 2: everybody to average more Fantasy points per game the Jamar
Speaker 2: Chase this season was Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: That's it. Good argument. MVP is a very good art.
Speaker 6: Is that full PPR?
Speaker 3: That's full PPR?
Speaker 1: Baby, Andrew check in your scoring there looking at that.
Speaker 1: Look the Bengal should have paid Jamar Chase. They're going
Speaker 1: to pay now. But you know he has had a
Speaker 1: lot of incomplete seasons with some injuries and some issues there.
Speaker 1: So I mean that's the thing It's like you have
Speaker 1: these big contract gears and they get paid and then
Speaker 1: everyone goes, all right, well you're going to repeat it.
Speaker 1: So that'll be fascinating to see. It's probably one or
Speaker 1: two on most people boards heading into next year. Andrew Erickson,
Speaker 1: who is your fantasy MVP of twenty twenty.
Speaker 5: Four minus sa Quon Barkley because he was the only
Speaker 5: skilled player to average over twenty points per game and
Speaker 5: half PPR, which fantasy pros are ec our rankings are
Speaker 5: in half PPR is going. So I'm a man of
Speaker 5: the people, a man of the half PPR setting, So
Speaker 5: I'm gonna give to Saquon Barkley. Rushed for over two
Speaker 5: thousand yards this season. Was actually cheaper in drafts than
Speaker 5: Jamar Chase was, so he was easier to draft. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean, Sikwe Barkley. I don't think you can look
Speaker 5: back at this year. I mean he's gonna win off.
Speaker 5: It's a Player of the Year because as much as
Speaker 5: it pains me to look at all my Jamar Chase off,
Speaker 5: it's a player of the Year awards and to think
Speaker 5: he won the triple Crown and that he's not gonna
Speaker 5: win the award just absolutely kills me inside, but it deservedly.
Speaker 5: So it's gonna go to unless unless something really bonkers happen,
Speaker 5: It's probably gonna go to Saquon rush for two thousand yards.
Speaker 5: And yeah, I mean from a consistency standpoint, I think
Speaker 5: there was no one that was more consistent from him
Speaker 5: on a week to week basis. And the thing of
Speaker 5: the matter is he did it without even this like
Speaker 5: absurd receiving role. The Tushbush still stayed there. Everything we
Speaker 5: were like, all the concerns we had about Saquon were
Speaker 5: just a non factor because of how efficient he was
Speaker 5: behind the Eagles offensive line. Like we knew that was
Speaker 5: gonna happen, but to what extent we weren't sure, And
Speaker 5: to the extent it was, Yeah, it's gonna result in
Speaker 5: a two thousand yard rushing season for Saquon Barkley. So, yes,
Speaker 5: this was the year draft him, and I'm gonna Admitte now,
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna draft him a lot next year, like
Speaker 5: he has all the red flags of this was the
Speaker 5: year to draft him. Twenty twenty five not the year
Speaker 5: to draft Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 1: So let's get that on tape.
Speaker 5: Barkleive Barkley's flowers now, but definitely going to be probably
Speaker 5: fading him.
Speaker 1: Slip snip this for next year, for the end of
Speaker 1: the year, Kelly, all right, let's get to Pat fitz
Speaker 1: Morris now. Andrew Erickson claims he's a man other people.
Speaker 1: But the people play a lot of PPR leagues, and
Speaker 1: there's a running back actually that had more Fantasy points
Speaker 1: in PPR leagues in Saquon Barkley. Believe it or not,
Speaker 1: Haalf fitz Morris. Who's your fantasy MVP of twenty.
Speaker 4: Four it is Jamiir Gibbs and Jamar Chas and Saquon
Speaker 4: Barkley scored more half point PPR Fantasy points than Jamior
Speaker 4: Gibbs this season. Chason Barkley did not score more fantasy
Speaker 4: points than Jamier Gibbs in the weeks when it mattered
Speaker 4: most in the fantasy playoffs. So in weeks fifteen, sixteen,
Speaker 4: and seventeen, Jamior Gibbs scored twenty five point nine half
Speaker 4: point PPR points, twenty three point four points, and twenty
Speaker 4: four point three points. He scored seventy three point six
Speaker 4: fantasy points in the three playoff weeks. Jamar Chase scored
Speaker 4: forty eight points in those three weeks, twenty five point
Speaker 4: six fewer than Gibbs. Saquon Barkley scored fifty three point
Speaker 4: three points in those three weeks and only had eight
Speaker 4: point four points in Week fifteen, So he kind of
Speaker 4: let you down if you were in a wild card game.
Speaker 4: Gibbs just he put playoff teams on his back. Joe, Like,
Speaker 4: I had Gibbs in one Redraft league and that team
Speaker 4: got in as a wildcard team. I won the championship
Speaker 4: in that league in no small part because of gibbs heroics.
Speaker 4: And it's not like Gibbs was a slacker in the
Speaker 4: regular season. He averaged sixteen point nine a half point
Speaker 4: PPR Fantasy points the game through Week fourteen, tying him
Speaker 4: with Bijon Robinson for RB four in that category, and
Speaker 4: Gibbs was consistent. There was only one game all year
Speaker 4: in which he failed to score double digit points, and
Speaker 4: he just barely missed in that week with nine point
Speaker 4: four points. So no denying how great and impactful Chase
Speaker 4: and Barkley were this season. But when it mattered most
Speaker 4: and championships are on the line, Jamier Gibbs went into
Speaker 4: the phone booth, put on his Superman cape and bent
Speaker 4: freaking steal with his bare hands.
Speaker 1: Sure did I remember having arguments with you over Jonathan
Speaker 1: Taylor and Jamier Gibbs. I'm a big Gibbs guy, and
Speaker 1: I think we're drafted Gibbs and I was so pleased,
Speaker 1: even with that split backfield most of the season, to
Speaker 1: see him at the very top of that list is
Speaker 1: stunning when you consider how much he's seated in terms
Speaker 1: of work to David Montgomery throughout the season. And maybe
Speaker 1: that's part of the success too, right, you stay healthy,
Speaker 1: you don't have the same kind of volume, But FITZI
Speaker 1: making a great case there for Jamiir Gibbs. Love to
Speaker 1: hear it. Those are the winners of our twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four awards. Now we want to hear from you. Drop
Speaker 1: your comments below here if you're watching live or you're
Speaker 1: watching back, or your MVPs, your biggest buss, all your
Speaker 1: waiver ar pickup of the year. We want your individual awards,
Speaker 1: so drop your comments. I expect all of them in there,
Speaker 1: and of course make sure you subscribe to the channel. Now,
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, we have something very fun planned here
Speaker 1: today because You see, we say a lot of things here, fanas.
Speaker 1: Here we get paid to talk. We talk a lot,
Speaker 1: and sometimes we're really right about things and sometimes not
Speaker 1: so much so. With the help of our incredible team
Speaker 1: here who've been putting in the overtime, I had a
Speaker 1: crazy idea, wouldn't it be fun to hit all the
Speaker 1: guys with some of their bold predictions from older in
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four season for better or Worse? So
Speaker 1: we can be accountable and my accountabil of buddies today,
Speaker 1: Pat fitz, Morris, Andrew Rickson, Derek Brown are all here
Speaker 1: to help us be accountable because we need to be
Speaker 1: accountable for better or for worse. Process is a great thing.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the process was good, the results weren't the same.
Speaker 1: Sometimes everything was bad, and sometimes everything was pretty darn
Speaker 1: good too. So the guys have no idea what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna show them next. We're gonna go one by one.
Speaker 1: It's not quite a roast, but it's certainly going to
Speaker 1: be an entertaining looking back on the things that we
Speaker 1: said in twenty twenty four, what came true, what didn't.
Speaker 1: Let's start with clip number one and Derek Brown seth roling.
Speaker 2: Oh well, we've all speaking of guys we've loved the
Speaker 2: entire offseason.
Speaker 3: I have not shut up about this guy since freaking January.
Speaker 2: So you're giving me an avenue where I can give
Speaker 2: a whole prediction about somebody.
Speaker 3: It's Jelil mclofflin.
Speaker 2: Baby, He's gonna be an RB two in fantasy this year.
Speaker 1: Now I'm looking at the RB twos for Jilil McLoughlin,
Speaker 1: and I don't see him there. I understand the process.
Speaker 1: A part of the process, like Pat, like Javonte. What
Speaker 1: is people wanted in on Sean Payton running backs and
Speaker 1: I get that, but unfortunately it did not come true.
Speaker 1: Debro any final thoughts in the season for Jilil mclofflin.
Speaker 1: What might have been?
Speaker 3: Oh, man, Yeah, it sucked.
Speaker 4: I was biking the entire year.
Speaker 3: He's trying to I mean seas he did. Man.
Speaker 2: I mean it was like the beginning of the year,
Speaker 2: it was okay, boh Nix was playing terribly, the offensive
Speaker 2: line is not good, and then it became a three
Speaker 2: way committee and you were like, okay, well we can't
Speaker 2: play any of them. So part of this was I'll
Speaker 2: stand by the process of it, but also, yes, it failed.
Speaker 3: And I apologized to all the fantasy managers that have
Speaker 3: drafted Juliel.
Speaker 1: All right, well, look, not everything you said was bad.
Speaker 1: Something good. Look, this is gonna be a nice cross
Speaker 1: section of good and bad, the most importantly fun.
Speaker 3: I knew Julil was going to be on the list.
Speaker 3: I knew it.
Speaker 1: Michael Cally and I were very closely going through hours
Speaker 1: and hours of tape to find some fun things. Now
Speaker 1: there's one guy that you were in on more than
Speaker 1: anybody else, and you're convinced me. I didn't need too
Speaker 1: much convincing, but you convinced me anyway. And we fought
Speaker 1: over this guy in a lot of drafts. Oh, let's
Speaker 1: hear your take about Brian Robinson Junior.
Speaker 2: Oh, Brian Robinson Junior will be this year's Alfred Morris.
Speaker 2: He will be in RB one in fantasy. And I
Speaker 2: know everybody's so concerned about the offensive line. Everybody's so
Speaker 2: concerned about this offense in general.
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 1: Now, Look, he certainly had a chance at it. He
Speaker 1: did miss three games, so that was a problem there.
Speaker 1: He ended up finishing. I'm looking right now in the PPR,
Speaker 1: I'll actually well for him. I think it's more fair
Speaker 1: to gauge him in the half PPR settings, but certainly
Speaker 1: a very good season, very productive season, the solid RB
Speaker 1: twenty nine overall there and for his draft stock, very
Speaker 1: cheap and certainly, you know, it seemed to be a
Speaker 1: guy that was scoring touchdowns a good clip so unfortunately
Speaker 1: and finished as an RB one. But certainly I think
Speaker 1: a successful year for Brian Robinson junior that I think
Speaker 1: bodes well for him in the future because Austin Eckler,
Speaker 1: another year older, another year injured. It seems like, you know,
Speaker 1: either they're going to replace that role or it's going
Speaker 1: to just be more Brian Robinson twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, Joey.
Speaker 2: I mean, this all comes down to he started out
Speaker 2: really well and then then he just couldn't stay healthy.
Speaker 2: It was one nagging injury after another, and he came
Speaker 2: back wasn't getting the snap roll and stuff. I mean,
Speaker 2: if he would have stayed healthy the entire season, I
Speaker 2: think we would have seen it. If not, if not
Speaker 2: RB one, he would have been top top fifteen.
Speaker 1: All right, Uh, don't don't get too comfortable, fits, because
Speaker 1: we're coming for you. Next. This is the debro segment
Speaker 1: of the show. Here let's go to another de Bro
Speaker 1: clip last summer talking about a quarterback.
Speaker 2: All right, So I'm gonna tie a few different things
Speaker 2: together here because in their own little buckets, people might
Speaker 2: say this is not a hot take, But Caleb Williams
Speaker 2: is going to set Chicago Bears single season record in
Speaker 2: passing yards, passing, touchdowns, and completions.
Speaker 7: M Now, he didn't break the Jake Cutler records. I
Speaker 7: gotta see. It might be pretty low bars you might
Speaker 7: have brought me. That's what I'm gonna look. I gotta look.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I.
Speaker 6: Don't know if you can come anywhere your four thousand.
Speaker 4: Bobby Douglas and he was okay.
Speaker 2: He finished fifth, fifth amongst the Bears top five, so
Speaker 2: fifth and passing yards in the season.
Speaker 6: But he's not in the mount Rush Moore.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the fun part is Eric Kramer actually thirty
Speaker 1: eight thirty eight. It was the highest number back in
Speaker 1: ninety five. Eric, But a complete bust for you this
Speaker 1: year or just kind of a rookie season here where
Speaker 1: he just kind of took his lumps with all the
Speaker 1: situation between the Bears offensive coordinator getting fired, the whop
Speaker 1: kit coach getting fired, everything just being a disaster around him.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's funny because there was there's a definite dichotomy.
Speaker 2: I was lower than consensus on Caleb as a prospect
Speaker 2: throughout the entire NFL draft season. I got flamed for
Speaker 2: having him as my QB three of the draft class.
Speaker 2: But the closer we got to the season, I was like, look,
Speaker 2: he's got a lot of weapons. This this offense is
Speaker 2: going to pass a ton and he just had a
Speaker 2: monumental face plan. I mean, he was about as bad
Speaker 2: as you could expect for a rookie quarterback and whoof So.
Speaker 1: It was but to the point I think it was
Speaker 1: Fitzer Ericson was baking or both of them. You know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't a huge bar. You were just saying he
Speaker 1: was going to be the best of the Bear's quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: And he still wasn't though.
Speaker 1: I mean he just he still was no Eric Kramer,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. One more and this was a guy
Speaker 1: that I liked to and I'm not drafting anymore. In
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, Seth Diewald rolled the clip on Christian Watson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're talking about Nico Collins and how special his
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three season it was last year. Well, I'm
Speaker 2: going to give you the twenty twenty four version of
Speaker 2: Nico Collins right now, and that is Christian Watson. Twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four. Christian Watson will be twenty twenty three Nico Collins.
Speaker 2: And I know everybody is crafting their hamstring jokes right
Speaker 2: now as you're listening to me, save them, because Christian
Speaker 2: Watson is going to bury and put all of those
Speaker 2: in a coffin with his performance this year.
Speaker 1: Well, you were right about one thing. Burying the coffin
Speaker 1: is right. Buried in a coffin is absolutely correct. He
Speaker 1: buried so many of my teams in a coffin. H
Speaker 1: you know he came into good values. It was worth
Speaker 1: the risk. Just very frustrating.
Speaker 3: Is there a palm shop around that it will take it?
Speaker 6: Please?
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness? Great, a right, let's Derek Brown out
Speaker 1: of his misery again?
Speaker 4: A lot of.
Speaker 1: But look uh again process good You saw the big
Speaker 1: playability you saw with Rogers, then you you saw it
Speaker 1: and glimpses with Jordan Love It was like, can he
Speaker 1: just stay healthy? The answer is no, no, he can't
Speaker 1: and not consistent enough. So here we go. It's important
Speaker 1: to learn from our mistakes here. Let's move on to
Speaker 1: Andrew Andrew Erickson. I hope that card again you're wearing
Speaker 1: his warm because some of these but not this first one.
Speaker 1: This first one aged like fine wine, roll the clip.
Speaker 6: Ryan Thomas Junior leads all rookie wide receivers in receival.
Speaker 6: So that's my past.
Speaker 1: Let's go hot take Tabasco, Yeah, Tabasco. And and I
Speaker 1: don't think there was another football analyst out there that
Speaker 1: was talking about Brian Robinson like, jive me up, Ryan
Speaker 1: Thomas Junior like you were, and kudos to you. Credit
Speaker 1: to you. You nailed it and it came true. How
Speaker 1: does it feel to look back at that? The confidence,
Speaker 1: it's it's amazing the confidence in which Derek Brown delivered
Speaker 1: some of his takes, but the confidence of you delivering
Speaker 1: this take right here and then it being right and
Speaker 1: spot on, that's gotta feel pretty good. Did you cash
Speaker 1: in everywhere on that too?
Speaker 6: Yes? Yeah, I did it on Fandel so yeah it was.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: I think the thing that I'm most proud about it
Speaker 5: is I thought it was just really good process. Like
Speaker 5: I wasn't just like, oh, like you know, throwing a
Speaker 5: bet at at a wall just trying to take a
Speaker 5: bold prediction. I looked at jack the Jaguars receiving situation.
Speaker 5: Calvin Ridley was gone from that offense. Jay Jones was
Speaker 5: gone from that offense. It was an underrated landing spot
Speaker 5: because I looked at there are so many vacated targets
Speaker 5: in his offense. And I looked at Calvin Ridley's role
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty three, how great that was in terms
Speaker 5: of his expected production, But really wasn't the talent, or
Speaker 5: at least he wasn't the talent in Jacksonville that I
Speaker 5: thought Brian Thomas could be in the NFL. And it
Speaker 5: also goes back to we see these teammates on the
Speaker 5: same college team just get undervalued. The reason Brian Thomas
Speaker 5: didn't put up better numbers at LSU is because of
Speaker 5: Lak neighbors, not because he's not good. So I mean,
Speaker 5: I'll be honest, like Brian Thomas Junior, the talent bailed
Speaker 5: me out because when Trevor Lawrence got hurt, that's when
Speaker 5: I got the most concerned. You know, that was not
Speaker 5: into my process. If you had told me back Joe's
Speaker 5: was going to be his quarterback all year long, would
Speaker 5: not have made that that I'm Brian Thomas Junior, but
Speaker 5: give credit to the player being uber talented as a
Speaker 5: first round pick. And yeah, Brian Thomas Junior definitely one
Speaker 5: of my biggest hits. So I'm looking forward to seeing
Speaker 5: what the misses are that you have queued up.
Speaker 1: I was gonna, you know, not every right hot, So
Speaker 1: I hope you're taking a seat after that victory lap.
Speaker 1: Let's see andrews dick about the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 5: The Carolina Panthers. Yes, the team that the number one
Speaker 5: overall pick that they didn't get to pick because they
Speaker 5: traded away. They're gonna make the playoffs this year. Who fourlina, whoa?
Speaker 6: So here, here's here's how it's gonna go. Here's how whoa, Here's.
Speaker 1: How it's gonna go. It did not go. It did
Speaker 1: not go. It did not happen. Now, I will say this,
Speaker 1: the second half of the year, Panthers were plucky, they
Speaker 1: were exciting. They covered a lot of games. They took
Speaker 1: some good teams to their limits. Andrew Rickson, ironically, somewhere
Speaker 1: around week like ten, swore off the Panthers on the
Speaker 1: betting shows that we did together. And that's when they
Speaker 1: started to get really good. They started to turn things.
Speaker 6: Until they were favored against Dallas, and then and then.
Speaker 1: It all came crashing. It all came crashing down. All right,
Speaker 1: Let's run through another one of Andrew Rickson's takes a
Speaker 1: lot of Jacksonville stuff For Andrew Erickson in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 5: My first hot take is Trevor Lawrence, quarterback for the
Speaker 5: jacksonvill Jaguars, leads the NFL in passing yards.
Speaker 1: He did not lead the league and passing yards spoiler alert.
Speaker 1: He he probably wasn't going to regardless. Here's the question, though,
Speaker 1: I think it's too early to call Trevor Lawrence a bust.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get another quarterback. This will be his third quarterback,
Speaker 1: another offensive coordinator, another system. Is Trevor Lawrence just kind
Speaker 1: of snake bit here Andrew Ericson for the rest of
Speaker 1: his career. Does he need to get out of Jacksonville
Speaker 1: to recoup his fantasy value or can he reached the
Speaker 1: heights of that number one overall pick that we had
Speaker 1: so much generational talent conversation about.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, he's got Brian Toms junior, so so
Speaker 5: that that's working positively in his outlook. Look, I think
Speaker 5: that again, I'm not sure how it's going to shake
Speaker 5: out with Jacksonville. Trent Bulky's there. That's obviously a reason
Speaker 5: why head coaches may not want to go to Trent Bulky.
Speaker 5: But if anything, it's like, hey, maybe you'll have a longer,
Speaker 5: longer leash here depending on what your production is. So
Speaker 5: I mean Ben Johnson goes to Jacksonville, then I'm gonna
Speaker 5: be back in on Trevor Lawrence and his Jaguars offense.
Speaker 5: So yeah, Trevor Lawrence, it's tough, but you have to
Speaker 5: look at the system, like he just never seemed to
Speaker 5: have had that perfect marriage between offensive coordinator, play caller,
Speaker 5: head coach, and like that really hasn't worked out, and
Speaker 5: it didn't work out with Doug Pearson obviously didn't work
Speaker 5: out with Urban Meyers.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean, he still has I think the tools he
Speaker 5: runs a little bit, so I don't think that he's
Speaker 5: totally useless in fantasy. And if Brian Thomas Junior turns
Speaker 5: into a top five NFL wide receiver, which he looks
Speaker 5: like he's on his way, then yeah, you're gonna have
Speaker 5: to at least be interested in the quarterback all.
Speaker 1: Right, Pat fitz Morris has been waiting quietly, impatiently, as
Speaker 1: if I would not call on him. But I am.
Speaker 1: We got plenty of cops on you, too, Pat fitz Morris.
Speaker 1: Let's start with one regarding a guy that you and
Speaker 1: I certainly went out it over, Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 4: Jonathan Taylor rushes for two thousand yards and finishes as
Speaker 4: the RB one in fantasy.
Speaker 1: He did not rush for two thousand yards SIK one
Speaker 1: Barkley did. In fact, Derrek Henry almost did. But Jonathan
Speaker 1: Taylor fourteen thirty one A respectable season. You were a
Speaker 1: little off, there, was it the season you were really
Speaker 1: hoping for from Jonathan Taylor?
Speaker 4: No, well, Joe, he was trying to play catch up
Speaker 4: at the end there. If the regular season had gone
Speaker 4: twenty I think we would have gotten there. So no,
Speaker 4: it didn't.
Speaker 1: You know, I really for more weeks of the season.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I was kind of thinking about how
Speaker 4: mobile quarterbacks sort of spiked the rushing efficiency of their
Speaker 4: running backs frequently. How the you know, the Alfred Morris
Speaker 4: season with RG three back in the day, thought we
Speaker 4: might see something similar with Shane Stike and Anthony Richards
Speaker 4: and Jonathan Taylor in Indianapolis didn't really see it didn't
Speaker 4: work out. Like I'm starting to worry that Taylor's ankle
Speaker 4: issues might be chronic. But when he was healthy at
Speaker 4: the end of the season, I mean, you probably didn't
Speaker 4: make the fantasy playoffs if you had Jonathan Taylor on
Speaker 4: your team, But if you did somehow get in there,
Speaker 4: he was great for you down the.
Speaker 1: Stretch at the end. Maybe if you trade for him late.
Speaker 1: So Caleb Williams rookie quarterback that Debra had some takes
Speaker 1: on FITZI had to take on a rookie quarterback too.
Speaker 1: Let's see it.
Speaker 4: Michael Pennix is the Falcons starting quarterback by the end
Speaker 4: of October. Kirk Cousins has become this sacred cow in
Speaker 4: the fantasy football world because he's put up consistently respectable numbers.
Speaker 4: I would contend that Cousins is a much better fantasy
Speaker 4: quarterback than real life quarterback. So, in other words, I
Speaker 4: think Kirk Cousins is kind of overrated.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, yeah, you had the right thing, the
Speaker 1: wrong date wasn't until into December where we got that move.
Speaker 3: But Fitz Morris problem that's last.
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually correct, especially correct, But FITZI, they were kind
Speaker 1: of up against it, right because they were kind of
Speaker 1: close and in it. They had to buy and then
Speaker 1: the week after they came back, then they had Minnesota
Speaker 1: and there was no way they were gonna let cousins
Speaker 1: play that game, right, So really the schedule kind of
Speaker 1: uh caught the Falcon. So Michael Pennix, did you see
Speaker 1: enough at the end to get excited abou him next
Speaker 1: year in the Falcons offense? Yes?
Speaker 4: Indeed that guy can spin it. Man, that guy, thank you.
Speaker 1: I was saying that all last year and everyone told me,
Speaker 1: why are you so high on Pennis? I'm like, because
Speaker 1: that guy just has reckless abandon throw the football with
Speaker 1: all kinds of confidence, and he made Drake London look
Speaker 1: pretty good at the end. Yeah.
Speaker 4: The other thing, Joe, the secret sauce with Pennix. He
Speaker 4: does not take sacks like he was barely sacked in college,
Speaker 4: and obviously that was a big issue with Caleb Williams
Speaker 4: in Chicago, Like, Pennix is great at sack avoidance and
Speaker 4: manned is that guy of arm talent?
Speaker 1: All right, I don't know if you're gonna like the
Speaker 1: next couple here, we made you look good at the beginning,
Speaker 1: sets you up. Let's go to clip number three. But
Speaker 1: the Texans wide receiver.
Speaker 4: Nico Collins scores fewer fantasy points than both Stefan Diggs
Speaker 4: and Tanked del.
Speaker 1: Ooo, noth not the freshest of looks there, did Why
Speaker 1: did you think that at the end of the day
Speaker 1: that Stefan did it was not Nico Collins as the
Speaker 1: wide receiver one, that it was potentially Digs as the
Speaker 1: new guy, or even Tank Dell.
Speaker 4: I was hoping you were going to continue to roll
Speaker 4: more of the clip so I could find out what
Speaker 4: my convoluted logic was in that. Like, I can't even know.
Speaker 1: I you know, maybe a couple one too many tequilas
Speaker 1: before the sh I don't know. You're just feeling fast
Speaker 1: and loose with the Texans diakes.
Speaker 4: I mean, I kind of thought that Stefan Diggs, with
Speaker 4: his personality, would just not consent to being a second
Speaker 4: or third wheel in that offense. And I like Tank Dell,
Speaker 4: like everyone else on the staff did. So Yeah, let's uh,
Speaker 4: let's erase that one from the memory.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, that one was pretty rough, So
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna cut the last one of yours too,
Speaker 1: because that guy got hurt. So I don't want to
Speaker 1: talk about it. But I am not above accountability either.
Speaker 1: I say a lot of things. So let's roll number
Speaker 1: one for mar Pol predictions.
Speaker 3: We'll make a good CALLI let's take it good.
Speaker 1: Just like Andrew Erickson, who just turned thirty, a lot
Speaker 1: of people are telling him that, you know, it's all
Speaker 1: downhill from there. It can't be anymore. Everything is gonna
Speaker 1: be terrible. And I'm hearing the same thing about Derrick Henry,
Speaker 1: and I for one, am sick and tired of hearing it.
Speaker 1: And Dereck Henry, I think, is ready to prove something.
Speaker 1: I think Derek Henry's got a lot in the tank,
Speaker 1: and I think Derek Henry is going to lead league
Speaker 1: in rushing so much so this year that I am
Speaker 1: willing to wager it, and you can track me over
Speaker 1: on betting pros when I put my wagers in, because
Speaker 1: it's going to be there for him to lead the
Speaker 1: league in rushing this year.
Speaker 3: He was close, so close.
Speaker 1: So close.
Speaker 6: Just screwed us all over.
Speaker 2: Really, we all had that over rushing touchdowns at plus money.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. I will say this too.
Speaker 1: I had the over. The number that was set was
Speaker 1: nine to twenty five and a half for him. I
Speaker 1: think he hit that like week nine or something crazy
Speaker 1: like that. And I've never bet a number so fast
Speaker 1: in my life. Is when that nine twenty five and
Speaker 1: a half came out, I said, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: That's the number you're putting out for Derek Henry and
Speaker 1: the Raven. All right, So that wasn't too bad, It
Speaker 1: wasn't super embarrassing. All right, let's see number two.
Speaker 3: Bring this.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with my first take that Jaydon Daniels
Speaker 1: outscores Caleb Williams in Fantasy Points this year. That's right,
Speaker 1: I said it. Oh, there you go.
Speaker 8: Looks like Jaydon Daniels over Caleb Williams and that might
Speaker 8: seem like not so hot now, but at the time
Speaker 8: Williams was by far the favorite for Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 1: Jade Daniels wasn't even number two. It was Marvin Harrison
Speaker 1: Junior on the board. So in terms of impact rookies
Speaker 1: people really did, I wouldn't. Maybe if I had said
Speaker 1: bo Nix it would have been a hotter take probably,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't thinking that was possible. But all right,
Speaker 1: jayde and Daniels, that's pretty good. All right, there's got
Speaker 1: to be something bad here. Let's let's go through another
Speaker 1: clip here. What do you got, Kelly am A. Kamara
Speaker 1: is getting disrespected? Okay, he missed four games last year. Okay,
Speaker 1: you'll go back and you look at what he did
Speaker 1: last year three point nine yards per carry the year
Speaker 1: before four yards per carry. The touchdowns really weren't there
Speaker 1: for him last year. But we could say that about
Speaker 1: the Saints in general, now, can't we in PPR leagues?
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara is going to be an RB one. That's right,
Speaker 1: I said it.
Speaker 3: I'm waiting for the bad clip. What don't we know?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. It kind of feels
Speaker 1: like sticks pretty good. I just want to say, for
Speaker 1: the record, Alvin Kamara finished as RB nine, and that
Speaker 1: was with missing some time, missing some time, all right,
Speaker 1: all right, surely there's a bad prediction here somewhere. Let's
Speaker 1: go to I doubt it at this point, all right,
Speaker 1: And then there were one one more take for you,
Speaker 1: and I think this one the boys are gonna like
Speaker 1: a lot because I've been laying in the weeds. And
Speaker 1: you know, I've been yelling at them about quarterback play,
Speaker 1: and I yelled at them about Darren Waller, and then
Speaker 1: I yelled at everybody about this other tight end too.
Speaker 1: I said, look, you can't be good unless you have
Speaker 1: somebody good throwing you the football. And now he does
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts tight end one this year. That's right, Not
Speaker 1: Travis Kelce, not Sam Laporta. It's Kyle Pitts boom so
Speaker 1: bad time forget tight end went overall? You didn't even
Speaker 1: finish as a tight end one, right, he was way
Speaker 1: past there. It was tight end fifteen, tight end fifteen.
Speaker 1: You know what I should have listened to myself there,
Speaker 1: I really screwed the pooch because, uh, you're right, Joe
Speaker 1: from the past, he didn't have a good quarterback play
Speaker 1: again this year. You should have realized that. But maybe
Speaker 1: if Fitz's dream had come true and we were talking,
Speaker 1: what did you say October first? There, Fitzy, is that
Speaker 1: the day you.
Speaker 4: Said, Joe, even Michael Pennox Junior couldn't rest.
Speaker 1: Sorry, all right, he tried officially, though, Thank goodness, we
Speaker 1: didn't do this the year you guys were all on
Speaker 1: Darren Waller. Let me tell you, oh my god, that
Speaker 1: would have been the best. We just called the Darren
Speaker 1: Waller experience. Uh but yeah, this was uh it was
Speaker 1: just my turn this year to take the l on cowpits.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna own it. It sucks. He's got all
Speaker 1: the size, all the speed, all the tools.
Speaker 5: He just he's gonna be rate in twenty twenty nine
Speaker 5: on the god cool, that's right to say.
Speaker 3: I was waiting for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 6: Don't do it twenty nine.
Speaker 1: All right, finally something I'm embarrassing for me. All Right,
Speaker 1: there's one more here. Let's play this last clip and
Speaker 1: get out of here. Ladd McConkie is going to have
Speaker 1: one hundred receptions in his rookie season. That's right. I said.
Speaker 1: It didn't quite get there eighty two.
Speaker 5: I want to surprise me if he did, though, so,
Speaker 5: I mean you have to look as they did he
Speaker 5: have an I thinks a couple of games.
Speaker 6: I think so.
Speaker 1: I mean I think he was two or something like that.
Speaker 1: Pat fitz Morris, I was like mister Ladd McConkie going
Speaker 1: into the year. I was very impressed with how he
Speaker 1: showed out the numbers bear it out. Are we having
Speaker 1: big expectations for him in year two?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 4: Definitely. Like I didn't know if he could be an
Speaker 4: alpha receiver that moves my question about him. I thought
Speaker 4: he might be kind of a complimentary guy. He is
Speaker 4: a wide receiver one, no question.
Speaker 5: All right, where are all of our Quentin Johnson takes?
Speaker 1: They're buried somewhere deep deep.
Speaker 3: Well, I thought we were going to get like a JK.
Speaker 1: Dobbins take from Ericson on air. Well, I just gonna
Speaker 1: put this out there. Boys, you know now that you
Speaker 1: know this is gonna be a thing, bring it. Be
Speaker 1: careful with your takes in August here for it. But
Speaker 1: there was a lot of good there. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of good process, some not so good, but accountability at
Speaker 1: the end of the year, and that's what it's all about.
Speaker 1: I think the big winner in terms of best prediction
Speaker 1: has to go to Ericson. Is everyone I want to
Speaker 1: agree and give him that award. ETJ. I think it
Speaker 1: was get out, So you're the big winner. So congratulations
Speaker 1: Andrew Erickson. The best of the uh fun predictions that
Speaker 1: actually came true there. I was close on Derrick Henry.
Speaker 1: You know, he's too old. No, he's not. I mean
Speaker 1: he was not too old.
Speaker 5: If you had said he's going to rush for nineteen
Speaker 5: hundred yards and not leave the NFL and Russian and
Speaker 5: be like, well, you're nuts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they get the worst. Do I get the toilet
Speaker 3: bowl troupe?
Speaker 1: Would you have said it was nuts? If Takuon Barkley
Speaker 1: was the guy I said was going to have more
Speaker 1: in two thousand yards with all of his injuries, I
Speaker 1: would have thought maybe you would think that's.
Speaker 6: Well, here's the other thing. Was Saquon right? What if
Speaker 6: I told you?
Speaker 5: Okay, among Jalen Hurts, Davonta Smith, Ajer Brown, Dallas got
Speaker 5: Saqua misses the least amount of games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know that this crazy stuff, all right,
Speaker 1: So thanks to everybody, and of course good sports. Your
Speaker 1: Pathfit's Morris Debro, Derek Brown and Andrew Rickson three of the
Speaker 1: best analysts of the business. But even the best sometimes
Speaker 1: give us some good entertainment value, and we can't be
Speaker 1: right all the time, except except me about takes some
Speaker 1: regarding running Backspartly red hot red Hot. Yeah. Seriously, Now, look,
Speaker 1: we all say some things we wish you could take back,
Speaker 1: but that's the fun of this show. We have a
Speaker 1: moment to look back in retrospect and focus on twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five and be better. Make sure you're better with us,
Speaker 1: and make sure you're subscribing to YouTube channel over you're
Speaker 1: at Fantasy Pros, bring the belt that goes ding for notifications,
Speaker 1: and of course comment with your favorite of the takes
Speaker 1: or some takes that you were right about or takes
Speaker 1: that you were horribly horribly wrong about, because it happens
Speaker 1: to everybody once in a while, even you out there.
Speaker 1: You know who you are, and we want you to
Speaker 1: be with us here for the entire twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: season because we've got Dynasty content, We've got NFL Draft
Speaker 1: content coming up, We've got out of Bounds going on.
Speaker 1: We've got so many things. And of course, while Card weekend,
Speaker 1: don't forget Saturday four fifteen on the Betting Pros channel,
Speaker 1: Scott Boget and myself hanging out tune in Chargers Texans.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be live during the game, talking betting, in game,
Speaker 1: live betting opportunities, be with us for all of that.
Speaker 1: That'll do it for us. But the story of the
Speaker 1: game goes on for three of my favorite humans on
Speaker 1: the planet, Betfits Morris, Andrew Ericson and Derek Brown. I'm
Speaker 1: Joey P. We'll see you next time. Kids.
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to the Fantasy Pros Fantasy Football podcast.
Speaker 1: If you love the show, the best free way to
Speaker 1: support us is by leaving a positive review on Apple
Speaker 1: podcasts at Fantasypros dot com, slash review, or on Spotify.
Speaker 2: Follow us on x, Instagram and TikTok at Fantasy Pros,
Speaker 2: and subscribe to our YouTube channel at YouTube dot com
Speaker 2: slash Fantasypros.