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Speaker 1: Gil said, you last, we got graphics, We got everything.

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Speaker 3: Then you hop jazz over to Houston following Directionler trying

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Speaker 3: So you didn't scream leaders shit? Be the for you

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Speaker 3: When we're in that locker room, you don't know what's

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Speaker 1: But here's here's here's look, let's take what Barkley said

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Speaker 3: When you're coming from one team to another, you're giving

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Speaker 3: I show up early, I leave late, right, I prep talk,

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Speaker 3: It's the confliction of you know, just the player's personality.

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Speaker 1: To look at it, Like if Gilbert Rena says, man,

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Speaker 1: Hey Jordan, Jordan had a way about it. But I

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Speaker 2: Have been for us.

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Speaker 1: That would be for a conjecture or speculation in the

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Speaker 1: I don't really see what what the qualms about. I

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Speaker 2: Now what damn? You just said that what they call you,

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Speaker 1: Think I think that's what I think. That's what's so confusing.

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Speaker 1: But I don't want Kevin Dean to two things can

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Speaker 1: So I don't want you to think just because you're

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Speaker 1: because I believe two things can be true, Grill, Gil,

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Speaker 3: But I think, look, it's just hard to say.

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Speaker 2: I just think that that you can't have it both ways.

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Speaker 1: Cap you can't say one thing and then when people

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Speaker 1: when people say that. Now I don't know why Barkley

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Speaker 2: So I don't I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think just because you didn't win a

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Speaker 1: I believe two things can be true. You can be

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Speaker 3: It.

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Speaker 2: See, we have to define what leadership is.

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Speaker 3: Because everybody has their own definition of his correct right,

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Speaker 3: So that that's one thing too. Barkley said, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not a role model while being a

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Speaker 3: because in Washington, I was given a franchise.

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Speaker 2: I was the leader.

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Speaker 3: Until Antoine Jamison came and then I said, I'm not

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: No one was gonna outwork me, no one was gonna

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Speaker 3: That's how it went. But I'm not the leader. I'm

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Speaker 3: telling you what I am and what I'm not. Right,

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Speaker 3: So it is a contradiction. But you still got to

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Speaker 3: ask that player when you say you're not a leader

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Speaker 3: in what aspect? So we can get some clarity on it,

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Speaker 3: clarity on when you're saying you're you're not a leader.

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Speaker 3: What part of leadership are you not delegating to yourself?

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Speaker 3: I don't think the thing I think if you said,

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Speaker 3: if you said that you weren't a leader, and then

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Speaker 3: people analys like Barclay and I don't remember. I don't

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Speaker 3: And they said Gill's not a leader.

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Speaker 1: I don't think in turn, you didn't get then getting

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Speaker 1: They're just regurgitating what you said. Gill said he's not

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Speaker 1: word that he's not the leader. That Antoine You said

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Speaker 1: Antoine was the leader because he was the veteran on

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Okay, they are the professors

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Speaker 2: that might do, but you have your.

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Speaker 1: Your word carries a little bit more weight because you

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Speaker 1: had been there a long youth. Even though he was

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Speaker 3: I think too when he came into Golden State, because

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Speaker 3: I think those are the only words we're holding.

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Speaker 2: We're holding this Golden.

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Speaker 3: State words right where he's coming into someone's city and

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Speaker 3: he's saying, hey, hey, this is.

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Speaker 3: That's when he gave away leadership and oka he was

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Speaker 2: Right that see so right? So I think it was

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Speaker 3: That moment in time where he's like, this ain't my team,

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Speaker 2: And I think he just as a player, we all

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Speaker 3: You know when mike Vic went to Eagles, right, and

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Speaker 3: dudes coming in here thinking here about to take my spot. No, no, no,

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Speaker 3: I'm coming off the bench. I'm gonna be the bench

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Speaker 3: But like you said, I can't make a grown man.

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Speaker 3: The man don't want to take the jam. Kyrie didn't

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Speaker 1: Or here y'all want me to do y'all want me

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Speaker 1: We talked to him, he said, James and I I

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Speaker 1: This I don't have lound and down and over there

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Speaker 3: Ever since, ever since the Golden State, we have questioned

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Speaker 3: asked to be traded. None of the resume has been

436
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 3: challenged besides the last fifteen twenty years. So it's easy

437
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 3: for people to throw jabs at their career.

438
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 2: You know.

439
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 3: So you know, some of these players right now just

440
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 3: walking on eggshells and they don't know what to do.

441
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:43,919
Speaker 3: So it's easy for them to just be like, I

442
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 3: just want to play basketball, I just want to hoop.

443
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 2: You know. It's easier to say that I just want

444
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 2: to hoop.

445
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 3: I don't want to go back and forth in all

446
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 3: the hoopla hoopla, you know.

447
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 2: So I agree, and I.

448
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 1: Have a problem with that because I think the thing

449
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,360
Speaker 1: is that sometimes the older players forget that they ask

450
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 1: for trades also, and they don't think like like I

451
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,360
Speaker 1: understand that social media there was no social media then.

452
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 2: But some of us are old enough to remember of

453
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 2: you requesting the trade.

454
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 1: Some of us remember things that you did that you

455
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 1: criticized the various players today for doing.

456
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 2: Yep.

457
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,360
Speaker 1: And so that's where look, and that's why I don't.

458
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 1: I've never had a problem given the younger generation. Is

459
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 1: the game different? Yes, rules change in football has made

460
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 1: the game. The guys are skilled, the guys are bigger, stronger, faster,

461
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 1: But the rules have been put in place to allow

462
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 1: the offensive players to produce better numbers. Yes, And the

463
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,159
Speaker 1: defensive players can produce better numbers because they are more

464
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:45,120
Speaker 1: opportunity to sack the quarterback and to intercept the past

465
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 1: and so. And that's not to say that, oh the

466
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 1: guys any good. They are, but we do have to

467
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 1: take you know, if they made the basket, if they

468
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 1: made the basket two inches bigger, and guys all of

469
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,439
Speaker 1: a sudden started averaging forty points, we can't sit here

470
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 1: and say like, well, that had no impact doing the

471
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 1: guy averaging two or three guys averaging fortium of season.

472
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 2: Of course it doesn't.

473
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 1: If so to act like that certain rules of parameters

474
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: hadn't been put in place to make the game. I'm

475
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 1: not saying that it's easier, but it probably is easier

476
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,479
Speaker 1: because I believe the guys in the NBA.

477
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 2: Are more skilled.

478
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 1: When you get guys that are more skilled and you

479
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 1: put them in more space, what the hell do you

480
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 1: think is going to happen?

481
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? Is it okay? Just like in football? Right?

482
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 3: Is it which one is coming first? Because I don't

483
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 3: think we think about it right even from when football started.

484
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 3: The harder you hit, the bigger you get, the rules

485
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 3: gotta change, like, oh wait, these guys are getting too big,

486
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 3: too strong. We gotta we gotta change this this up

487
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 3: a little bit, right. So it's the players that's changing

488
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,439
Speaker 3: up the rules. Right, So it's not like, oh football,

489
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 3: these guys are softer, No, no, no, no, Today.

490
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 2: We can't have these these guys hitting.

491
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 3: This quarterback because quarterback everybody's not built like cam right, So.

492
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 2: These guys are bigger, stronger, faster.

493
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 3: We have to protect the quarterback a little bit more

494
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 3: now because there's two power coming at them.

495
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 2: So now we gotta we gotta put rules.

496
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 3: So the rules is really coming because of the talent

497
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 3: is getting better. So it looks like it's softening up,

498
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 3: but there has to be rules for it.

499
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,239
Speaker 1: You're gonna have some you got mats, there were too

500
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: many coins. Gill and the league were getting food and

501
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 1: and and and and they saw guys leaving the game,

502
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: and we saw what was happening. Guys were taking their

503
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: lives at a very young age. And so the NFL

504
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: stepped in and said, we gotta have some rule changes. Well,

505
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: you can't attack the quarterback. They've tried. They're trying to

506
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 1: take the kickoffs out of the game, but they don't

507
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 1: know how to because it's still an exciting part of

508
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: the game.

509
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 3: It's too impactful for you not to have.

510
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 2: It in the game.

511
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: But if they can find a way to remove it,

512
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 1: because you think about it now, they don't let the

513
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 1: guys get a running start. The guys can't leave until

514
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 1: the ball is kicked. That also, you can't put the

515
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 1: two man or the three man wedge together. So they've

516
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: done a lot of things to try to make the

517
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: game safer. But also Gil is that because guys don't

518
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: hit during the course of the week. You ask a

519
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: guy to drive twenty miles an hour, forty miles an

520
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: hour during the course of the week, and then come

521
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: Sunday go one hundred miles an hour. Something's gonna happen

522
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: when you when you go to NASCAR, when they do

523
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: when they go warm ups, they're going one hundred and eighty.

524
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: They don't go twenty five forty fifty miles an hour

525
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: round the track. And then all of a sudden comes

526
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: Sunday where they get on the track and go Daytona

527
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: or they go to Lowe's Motor Speedway or something and

528
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 1: all of a sudden say, we're gonna er it out. No,

529
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: you gotta put the car to the test. Well, you

530
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 1: got to put your body to the test during the

531
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: course of the week. But I understand what I understand

532
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: what Katie is saying. I understand what Charles was saying.

533
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: But I think Kad could have dodged a lot of

534
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: this blowback Gill had he not said anything about leadership

535
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: and just leave everybody to speculate, because what you say,

536
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: what you say, you gotta take the speculation out of it.

537
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,479
Speaker 2: Check this out, Jail. I know you want to talk

538
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 2: about what I said on.

539
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: First take about being in a steady relationship or helping

540
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 1: your image as face of the NBA and people like

541
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: man Man. This air word mentioned magic Magic might have

542
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: been doing what he was doing, but the fans that know,

543
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: sponsors didn't know. There might have been other players that

544
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: have been the face of the league, but nobody knew

545
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: what they were doing. If it didn't matter, why was

546
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: the scrutiny so great on Tiger Woods because he sold

547
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: an image he was this wholesome guy, married with two kids.

548
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: Now there's the other reason we talk about that a

549
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: little later time. We might have that dude at the

550
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: other show, because we know it all.

551
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 2: Of a sudden.

552
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: That comblination didn't help it, because that is you, no comblination.

553
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: They saw a black man did that to a white woman,

554
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 1: and all holy hell, when they had been black men

555
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: cheating on their black wives for the longness and they

556
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: never said the words and it never caused this kind

557
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: of outcry. So but I'm just saying that what I

558
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: was trying to say, like the image, because you dreaming

559
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: like you didn't know that until if magic had never

560
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: been diagnosed with they's nobody would have knew magic history.

561
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: You wouldn't so stop just like oh we knew, No,

562
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: you didn't, just like, oh, if this story hadn't broke,

563
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: you would have never done about Tiger Woods, what he

564
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 1: was doing if some of the other guys that's been

565
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: facing the NBA. So stop telling that lie like you

566
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: knew because you're not day to day and you didn't

567
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: see what they were doing. So I'm saying Gil that

568
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: as a situation, like the face of the league, they

569
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 1: want you button up, they want you to accept response,

570
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 1: and they see normally a marriage guy, what he has responsibility.

571
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: He has a wife a lot of time, he has kids,

572
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: so he's more willing and accepting of responsibility. Remember they said,

573
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: I remember Gil when they said the league was getting

574
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: too young because they were bringing guys straight out of

575
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: high school and so they didn't have the responsibility of

576
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: a guy that's already been in the league and some

577
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: of these guys that are married. So that's what I

578
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,239
Speaker 1: was trying to say. I wouldn't trying to, you know,

579
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: say oh, you know, I'm just saying as a league,

580
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: as a face, we look at some of the guys

581
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: all they were in study relationships, so you could say, well,

582
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: oh Magic did this, Yeah, but you didn't know he

583
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: did that. You didn't know the the sponsors, the brands

584
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: didn't know he was doing that. And some of the

585
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: other guys. So that's all I was saying. I mean,

586
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: they took it for whatever, you know, say Shadow said

587
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: you had to be That's about what I'm saying. I'm saying.

588
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of things I think now. To

589
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: be the face of the league, you're gonna have to

590
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: be like Lebron James. You're gonna have to be willing

591
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: to take a stand on political issue, on social issues.

592
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 2: Are you willing to do that?

593
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: Because before they never talked about it, Gil nobody took

594
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: a stand back in the nineties, nobody took a stand

595
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: in the two thousand religion politics. You didn't talk about that. Now,

596
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: when Lebron James did, he did I think with that.

597
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: I think it was tremier rights the guy that George

598
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: in Florida when he took that sting, and he's been

599
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: taking stands every since. I think that's the standard in

600
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: which guys are gonna have to do if you're gonna

601
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: be the face of the NBA, because we see they're

602
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: at the forefront when it comes to these social issues

603
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: more so than any other sports league.

604
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: So that's what I was trying to explain to you.

605
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: With trying to explain saying.

606
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: Okay, would it would it be better if the guy

607
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: was married or does that?

608
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: And you can say, no, what should I don't think

609
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: that carries any weight. Huh.

610
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: Oh, Magic has excuse me. I didn't say hey, I

611
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: mean to I meant to say Magic was HIV positive,

612
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: not age. But they made it seem like they knew

613
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: what Magic was doing prior.

614
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: To him making that announcement, and they didn't.

615
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: They try to make it seem like they know what

616
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: all these players are doing, but they don't. And so

617
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: you look at Magic and Bird and George and Kobe,

618
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: and we know Kobe had his issues, but.

619
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 3: You didn't know until it came out. You may see like, oh, man,

620
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 3: I do bad. I don't know you bad man. I

621
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 3: could have told you that. You couldn't have told us Jack.

622
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: Yep, okay.

623
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 3: It's like it's like this, like I understood what you

624
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 3: what you're what you were saying? Right, if we had

625
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 3: the writer script, if we're image consulting, yes, right, the

626
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 3: perfect the perfect image is married man.

627
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: Before you go, it was Trayvon Martin. That was the guy,

628
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: Trayvon Martin Tremier Rice, I think it. But if he

629
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: was in Cleveland when he's playing with the toy gun

630
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: in the park. The guy rode up in the two

631
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: SETI shinty, So it was Trayvon Martin. Excuse me chat.

632
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you have a married man, wife, kids, right, dog, god? Right?

633
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: You you get they go to church. Right, it's the

634
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,959
Speaker 2: big it's it's the family.

635
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 3: You want to sell family, right, And that's that is

636
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 3: that is the number one.

637
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: If you have to write the script, that's what you want. Well.

638
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 3: I had to do image consulting when I was in Washington,

639
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 3: and I had to sit down with a panel and

640
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 3: group about imaging, right, and they said this, They said,

641
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: to rule this world, you need to be appealing to women.

642
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: First, everything you do is for women first.

643
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 3: How you dress, how you talk for women first, gay second,

644
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 3: males third. Right, So if you're an athlete, the males

645
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 3: gravitate to what you're doing, but everything else your appearance

646
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 3: is for women. Gays are going to follow women right now.

647
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 3: When you think that, and then they said, all right, look,

648
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 3: Michael Jackson, their name, friends and all these people, you

649
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 3: start thinking, what is the biggest group in America?

650
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: Single women?

651
00:31:54,720 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 3: Right? So in reality, the script we were right would

652
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 3: be for a married man. Well, who is them single

653
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 3: women gonna root for See when you put a.

654
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 2: Single man.

655
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 3: That's vulnerable and clean cut, he becomes a darling to America.

656
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 3: But it's only a few people that can do that. Right,

657
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: you have to really be a humble dude that can

658
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 3: be single, that can be putting magic as Acy Green, right, right,

659
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 3: exactly right, you want because you want the ladies to

660
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: want this man. They're not gonna want a married man, right,

661
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 3: They're gonna want the single mann. It can flooding and

662
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 3: we love you. We So that is actually a face too.

663
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 3: Right If Tadom wanted to be a face and he

664
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 3: was a single dude, right and he wasn't married, he

665
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: will still be the face and be a rock star.

666
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 3: But the problem with a single do this, they do

667
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 3: single things exactly. A family man, you know, his home

668
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 3: for the most time.

669
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: So he's saying.

670
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: That's what and what and what do Leeds try to sell? Family?

671
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: You can bring your kids, you can expire.

672
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: Bro. You out here with James, Sue, Sally, Nate, Jimmy No, no, no,

673
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: Mark one.

674
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 3: No.

675
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: We don't want you to spire to be that. We

676
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: want you to be Look at quarterbacks. Mm hmm myhome married,

677
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: Brady got married, Peyon Manny got married, el May Marino U,

678
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: Jim Kelly Young Montana. The list goes on and on

679
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: and on and on and on. Now Broadway Jones was

680
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: a different story, but that was way back then. Was

681
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: Eli man he married, Eli married. See, like, let's see,

682
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: for the.

683
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 3: Most part, we and I think that's where you know,

684
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 3: when you're thinking about a publicist, most of these guys,

685
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 3: you don't know they're married, right, You don't know they're

686
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 3: married because we don't see their wives like that, right,

687
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 3: you know, I think just the idea of a married man,

688
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 3: he's safer, Yes, he's a.

689
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 1: Perception is everything, gil a person. Perception is their reality.

690
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: Now that might not be the truth. This man might

691
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: be mad and do it everything under the sun. But

692
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: the perception is they see that band, they see that

693
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: wife at the game, they see them kids. Ye all

694
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: that's what And so you could say I was crazy,

695
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: But I don't think I was crazy as people tried

696
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: to make me out, because when you look at it,

697
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: look at who became the face of the lead.

698
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, none that I understand you because I went through

699
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 3: those conversations, so I know what's safe, Like Alan Iverson

700
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 3: right heartor he had all the ladies right, but who

701
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 3: he was, how he acted, that's not safe for the NBA.

702
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 3: That's that's something that they can't push, you know. For

703
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 3: the for the most part, Dwayne Wade should killed O'Neil.

704
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 3: It also your person. And I tell I tell people,

705
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 3: I said, listen clean cut. Ooh, that's all that white suit,

706
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 3: that white suit and white gloves. It is hard to

707
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 3: keep clean, right, you might want to just make it

708
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 3: a little beige, just a little.

709
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: It's even harder than I get with social media.

710
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's just a little beige, so you can

711
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 3: so you have a little wiggle room, you know. And

712
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 3: in today's world, you're coming in with that all white.

713
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 2: Everybody loves all white.

714
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 3: They get done a little dunk, the little dust can

715
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 3: get can mess you up a little bit.

716
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: And see that's the thing with white.

717
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: When I grew up, gil you could only wear white

718
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,720
Speaker 1: after you couldn't wear white before Easter. You were after Easter.

719
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 1: And then once labor they hit, there was no more white.

720
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: Then they started coming out with they started coming out

721
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: with winter wife and fall white.

722
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, hold on, wait a bit it, No, you

723
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 2: were white Eastern.

724
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: The first time you had somebody where when I grew up,

725
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: the first time you saw a white was Easter sunn

726
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: Before that you didn' see. You didn't see no whites

727
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: in January and February and Marks. You ain't see no

728
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: whites in in October, November, December. You saw white Easter Sunday.

729
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: And then you wore up the labor. They know they

730
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 1: put the white.

731
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: Man. I gotta go on see if I get one

732
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 2: more use side of the white before.

733
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 3: I put it up. So the white shoes white. Yeah,

734
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 3: when you were a kid, I mean me and my brother.

735
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: I had a Me and my my mom sent us

736
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: to one Eastern and I told the story in uh

737
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: at my Hall of Famer speech. We had white slacks

738
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: and uh, I think the jackets were burgundy.

739
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 2: I think we had white shoes too. We might have

740
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 2: had white shoes. We were clean. We were clean.

741
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: Man Gilli a fly light on matter cut his crew. Now,

742
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: I said, now I'm too clean for you laying on me.

743
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: But but that's that's the way it was. But like

744
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: I said, a person's perception is their reality. Now perception

745
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: is not always the truth. But that's just something to

746
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: say about that man, especially if you don't see him,

747
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: and most app police you don't see them. So it's

748
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: not like they guy it that he works at the

749
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: in the office and you might know what he's doing.

750
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: These guys, you you might not ever see them, and

751
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: so you're like, hey, he married, you've been mad five years.

752
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: He's been married ten years. He married his high school sweetheart,

753
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: he married his college sweetheart. That's heart woman. The league

754
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 1: sells that, they sold paid, they sold Brady, they sold

755
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: they sell my homes. It's hard to sell it. It's

756
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: hard because you're trying to con families. It's yeah, tickets,

757
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: four tickets costs more than one. So that single lady,

758
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: she might want to go see the single the single

759
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: whoever the single let's dak is in a relationship. Now

760
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think who's I don't know who is.

761
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: Let's just say justin field, Okay, but what about that

762
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: family of four that's going to see the quarterback that's

763
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:52,720
Speaker 1: that's married.

764
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: So that that was my only part and so only point.

765
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: So if someone took it thought I was going somewhere

766
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: else other than that, I'm sorry, but hopefully Gill and

767
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 1: not clear that up for you.

768
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 3: Speaking of.

769
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 5: I'm no chill gill right, go outside. You ain't catching me.

770
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 5: No clubs, no bars, no nothing.

771
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 3: This is my This perception is a reality, but my

772
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 3: reality is what I sell you.

773
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: And see they have left. See they have this perception

774
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: whether you what you do or not. I mean, you know,

775
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 1: people knew in Denver I didn't. I a lot most.

776
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 2: Of my career.

777
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: A lot of my career was single, but I wasn't

778
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: out or I had a girlfriend. And people think that,

779
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not. I'm not a public out of guy.

780
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: You don't need to know what I'm doing. Mm hmm yeah.

781
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing. Everybody want to put everything

782
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: on social media. Will take a picture of your food

783
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: and take a picture of this. Now, I'm gonna show

784
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: you what I want you to know about my life

785
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: because the more I show you, the more you're gonna

786
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 1: think you know, and then you can start forming opinions

787
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: on the song to another episode of Nightcap Basketball Style,

788
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: I'm your favor as.

789
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: You that's us.

790
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: Wizard legend back through the feed, but you know who

791
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: he is, Gil bro ha Fachi arenas bro how you

792
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: being thanks for joining us?

793
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: Ask what's going on? If gil Gil's computer. It's your computer, Gill. Okay,

794
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: is that better? Yeah? I don't even know where that

795
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 2: came from your computer, but good, yeah I heard it.

796
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: Go do your computer.

797
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 6: Yeh, stings on, I am my bad. I just wanted

798
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 6: to hear you twice. Okay, check this out.

799
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 1: Speak of the future faces of the league, Jason tATu said,

800
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: give me that.

801
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 3: He said, I feel like it's mind to take.

802
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: I do feel like if we win a championship, it

803
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: would be more distinguished and clear. But I understand. I mean,

804
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: I'm on the shore. I'm in that short list for sure.

805
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: And I love to hear him say that. I love

806
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: to hear him says I want that possibility. I want

807
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: to be the face of the league and everything that

808
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 1: comes along with it, good, bad, or indifferent. I love

809
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: when guys to give me that, give me all that,

810
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: whatever it is that comes along with it.

811
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 2: I'm willing to take it.

812
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 3: See and and he is the from from the studies

813
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 3: that I got.

814
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 2: He will be the perfect guy for it, right.

815
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 3: He has the charisma, he has the style, he has

816
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 3: the play, he has the look.

817
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 2: Right.

818
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 3: We don't know if he's seeing or not. We know

819
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 3: he don't get in trouble. He doesn't go outside like

820
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 3: we've seen with his son all the time.

821
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: So that makes him a great dad, which appeals to

822
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: a demograph demographical people is like, okay, I can get

823
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: behind him.

824
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's it's the it's the guy like

825
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 3: you got him right. We know Jokic doesn't have he

826
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 3: doesn't check off a lot of.

827
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: Bout but he's just married.

828
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's it, right, even with someone like Luca, Right,

829
00:40:59,600 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 3: that's all.

830
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna just be honest, and I'm gonna say it.

831
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 3: I never seen American push European, Right, it's just not

832
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 3: a thing. As much as we want to, Yannis and all,

833
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 3: as much as want to, this is the best player

834
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 3: in the world, they're still going to put that American

835
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 3: brand to the American brand, and and it's gonna be that.

836
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 3: So you know, Tatum, Tatum and man has the personality.

837
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 3: You know, he's still you know, he have a little

838
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 3: trouble and he has to get a great team around

839
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 3: him to keep all that outside noise and you know,

840
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 3: to be in the face of the league, it comes

841
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 3: with preparation, with a huge responsibility too. Like you you're

842
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 3: talking about you don't have a life. Oh no, you

843
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 3: don't have a life. Because when you're the face of

844
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 3: the league, you have to be able to understand that

845
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 3: when you walk outside your door, you are the face. Yes,

846
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 3: you in your car, somebody, somebody pulls over to you,

847
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 3: somebody honks at you. You and you have the NBA

848
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 3: now day period, So everything you do now is magnified.

849
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 3: So you really have to have a strong supporting task

850
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 3: to really understand how to keep that image intact for

851
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 3: the league itself. And plus, it doesn't help Gianni's case

852
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 3: when he says, well, I don't know.

853
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: I don't even watch no film or a basketball player.

854
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 2: I don't know. I makes it tough. Why would you

855
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 2: ever say that? Bro? I just want you to know.

856
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 2: Ain't nobody saying, oh my god, you see that? Yeah?

857
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: I mean most guys. You hear Jordan, and you hear

858
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: Jordan talking about how he studied you. Hear Magic say

859
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: how he studied you. Hear Kobe, Lebron, all the great.

860
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: But somehow Yannis thinks that you know what, you know,

861
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna endure myself. I'm gonna say I love to

862
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: make it hard. I don't study that might explains why

863
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: you have poor coaches in the year. Ludju know that's

864
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: got to play some role in it.

865
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 3: And at the same thing, it makes sense why he

866
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 3: didn't get he hasn't gotten better the same reason he

867
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 3: hasn't gotten post up mid range because he.

868
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 2: Don't watch his flaws enough to clean him up. Right.

869
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 2: So sometimes it you know, you have to be careful

870
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: on what you say. Right, We don't know.

871
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 3: If it's true, but we can say we believe it

872
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 3: because we can look at the totality of it.

873
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 2: You can you can use.

874
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 3: We want rings and I got an MVP. Okay, but

875
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 3: do you have a post up that you never came

876
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 3: in with?

877
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: Did you do you? Uh mid range better?

878
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 3: No? Right, so we can say, well, maybe you don't

879
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 3: you know, really watch filming yourself to understand how to

880
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 3: get better.

881
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 2: We can see you gave us the you gave us

882
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 2: the the window, the throw rocks at it now.

883
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And he can't get mad because what he

884
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: does is that when he has a bad game, they say,

885
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: everybody gonna say, hey, you studied film, you to know

886
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: what was coming?

887
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: You know what the hell to do?

888
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: That's all you do is that you open yourself up,

889
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 1: project yourself to criticism that you probably wouldn't have gotten.

890
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: Now you're gonna get some criticism because you're a great player.

891
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: You're top three player in the league, and so you're

892
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: gonna get some criticism. But now you're gonna get more

893
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: criticism because the first time you lose a game and

894
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna say, well, say hey, hell, if you're a

895
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: studied you know the hell was coming. You know that

896
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: dumble team was coming, or you know where to kick

897
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: the ball to. But since you didn't study, this is

898
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: what happens to you.

899
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 3: Hey, hey, hey, Miami went whooping that tail for a

900
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 3: long time, and we can see why you struggled against

901
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 3: them every single year.

902
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 2: It makes sense.

903
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully John comes back from that injury. I think

904
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: he's done for the year, But I think this is

905
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: a great opportunity for John to have some time to himself,

906
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: to take to himself to say, hey, you know, way

907
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 1: they keep talking about they need a face for the NBA, Hell,

908
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: why can't it be me?

909
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 2: Let me clean it? Because we love an underdog store.

910
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: We love a guy that was here, that came, that

911
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: went down to the bottom and sprung back up to

912
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: the top. Yeah, listen, both times he came back, we

913
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: shut the hell up, right, both times he came back.

914
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: We was mesmerized by his game, what he did. It

915
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: took a back seat because what he does on that

916
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 1: floor is just dynamic, bastard.

917
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 3: Like those games he came back, it was so impactful,

918
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 3: the game winner this and that we're not hearing the

919
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 3: outside noise anymore.

920
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: That's the type of game he has.

921
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 3: And the problem with job is everybody around him. They

922
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 3: are They're nice kids. I met them this summer. Like

923
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 3: when you hear like, oh, these are nice, these are

924
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 3: very good kids. They just haven't been programmed to understand

925
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 3: what they have, right, right, they don't know. Hey, they

926
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 3: don't know these Jordans they got they got on is

927
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 3: actually worth twenty grand take them off, right, They don't

928
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 3: know that.

929
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: They just hey, I just got me some new Jordan's.

930
00:45:59,239 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: I'm going to go out there.

931
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 3: And right, they got a Jamran. They don't know that's

932
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 3: a Jamran. They don't know what this Jamran is. So

933
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 3: they have to really sit there and say, okay, wait,

934
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 3: hold on, I need this smart enough so I know

935
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 3: how to teach him and teach him how to move.

936
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 2: So you know.

937
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 3: That's something I told them. You know, this summer, y'all

938
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 3: have to be better. Y'all have to understand. Lebron is Lebron,

939
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 3: But there's a Maverick, there's a rich Paul, Randy, you

940
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Randy and his wife. They had

941
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 3: to do their part two for the king to step

942
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 3: into that role, he's gonna play the game.

943
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 2: They have to do their role too. That's what you need.

944
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 2: That's what all stars need. They have.

945
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 3: We don't have friends. When you're a star, you don't

946
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 3: have friends. You have employees. You have employees well, and

947
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 3: business partners to your image.

948
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: Lebron John, is that any woman that I've dealt with

949
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: in the last some teenth years. One thing I tell him,

950
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: your number one rule is not to love me, is

951
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: to protect the brand. Protect the brand, because you can't

952
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: love me enough if you're willing to damage the brand,

953
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: so it means nothing.

954
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 2: Yep, your love.

955
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: If you protect the brand, you're telling me that you

956
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: love me. And that's what y'all homeboys need to understand.

957
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 1: Protect the brand because without the brand, all this goes away,

958
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: the bottle service, the private jets, the whole VIP area

959
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: going wherever you want to go anytime, you want to

960
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 1: go to private chefs and all that. If you don't

961
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: protect the brand, that's the number. Oh you need to

962
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: make sure you need this so much that love protect them.

963
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 2: Oh I can't wait here. I can't wait to tell

964
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 2: them girls that you all need to love me. Just

965
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: protect my brand. Whether you protect the brand, you love

966
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 2: you gonna do? You love me because I've seen you.

967
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 2: I love you.

968
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: I love you and do some things and get people involved,

969
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: and now people never look at him the same. Yeah,

970
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: So that's how you showed me. That's how you show

971
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 1: me you love me. Protect the brand?

972
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 3: Yes, Alu, I love that.

973
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 2: That's good.

974
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: The NBA All Star Game viewership was up this year,

975
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: but it's steadily steadily declining since two thousand and three. Gil,

976
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: what do the ratings say about the interest in the

977
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: All Star Game?

978
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 2: Listen?

979
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 3: I think I think we're confused on what the numbers

980
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 3: are because if you if you thought about the numbers

981
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 3: the first day everybody wrote it. You know, everybody wrote

982
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 3: five point five, oho point six. We've seen the numbers, right,

983
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 3: you know, people don't understand the reason that it's since

984
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 3: two thousand and two, two thousand and three.

985
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 2: That's when it turned to T and T.

986
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 3: Before T and T it was CBS, right, it had

987
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 3: NBC once and then it was.

988
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 2: CBS for a while.

989
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 3: And if you look at CBS numbers, you're gonna be

990
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 3: like Jesus Christ. Two thousand and three was a downfall,

991
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 3: like what happen because it was twenty two million, eight million,

992
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 3: seventeen million, right.

993
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 2: NBC, T and T. Well, the reason our numbers are blurred.

994
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 3: You can say, we having these big TV deals and

995
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 3: our numbers are down.

996
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: The problem is this. Back then we had to watch it.

997
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 2: We didn't have TVO and we didn't have right.

998
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 3: We didn't have that right. We had to watch the

999
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 3: game live. If you didn't watch it live, you missed it.

1000
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,959
Speaker 3: So therefore we had the schedule our day around all

1001
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 3: Star events. Today we can do whatever we want, see them,

1002
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 3: views them, that's that eleven point that don't have the

1003
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 3: cell phone in there, that had the.

1004
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 2: House, that don't have the few phone, that don't have

1005
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 2: the computer, that.

1006
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 3: Don't have none of those new devices that we all

1007
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 3: have today. Back then there was no international see right,

1008
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 3: we don't do we have the numbers from Paris, from

1009
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 3: Wimby's country watching winby No that comes in the next day.

1010
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 2: So it's global now, even though.

1011
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,919
Speaker 3: Last year to America says four point six the real

1012
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 3: numbers overall, the totality that's seeing last year's All Star

1013
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 3: weekend numbers was one point three billion people.

1014
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 2: You're not counting China, You're not.

1015
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 3: So if the game is way bigger, it's just diluted

1016
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 3: because we got we got better shit to do, right,

1017
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,439
Speaker 3: we got better ship to do in real time?

1018
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and look, I think the thing is

1019
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: gill also is that people aren't interest because it like

1020
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,439
Speaker 1: y'all got playing. Say if you're if you don't care,

1021
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: why should we so why should we take two hours

1022
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: and two and a half hours out of my day?

1023
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: If y'all then go out there and just jack up

1024
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: threes and horse hands around. So you're telling me you

1025
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: don't care, so you want me to take time out

1026
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: of my day? You care about this? The same thing

1027
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,439
Speaker 1: they did about with the Pro Bowl. They got tired

1028
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: of players, got tired and said, man, y'all playing you

1029
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: and judge, this is not football, and I know it.

1030
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 2: Look, they shoot a lot of.

1031
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 3: Threes in regular season NBA games.

1032
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,959
Speaker 1: And it seems like a dunker lay up because guys

1033
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: are so skilled and guys, you know, you guys are

1034
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 1: getting beat and so now a health defender comes and

1035
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: I have got kicked and he's wide open.

1036
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 3: I get all of that. I get it.

1037
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: But and you playing a game like this and they

1038
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: I read what they had Larry Bird that had one

1039
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: hundred igo dollar and they had Doctor j to go

1040
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: talk to the player.

1041
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 2: But I find that I run it everybody, everybody for.

1042
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: The most part, with the old Kobe wooh mama mentality, ohoh,

1043
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: we love Mamba.

1044
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 2: And get out there and what they do an All

1045
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 2: Star Games. Gal.

1046
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: Now, all I know is that I saw Kobe for

1047
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen years in All Star Games and played like

1048
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: it'd be like it was a playoff game.

1049
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 3: But all these players there talking about old Kobe, Kobe,

1050
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,720
Speaker 3: Kobe Kobe, Kobe, Mamba.

1051
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 1: Mamba Kobe mama mentality, y'all get out there and bull

1052
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: drive around.

1053
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 3: You know why he took it serious because he was

1054
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 3: it was the only time that he was vulnerable to

1055
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:08,240
Speaker 3: his tears.

1056
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 2: Yes see, you know.

1057
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 3: And I talked to some of the guys back in

1058
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 3: the eighties and back in the nineties and said, why.

1059
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 2: Was like I don't.

1060
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 3: I look at something and asked the question why right,

1061
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 3: So I don't have I don't have a narrative.

1062
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 2: I want to know why first, right, So.

1063
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 3: They said, okay, this was this is why it was

1064
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 3: more competitive than Michael Jordan. You have Michael Jordan, you

1065
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 3: have Drexler. Drexler played against Michael only two times. Now

1066
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,240
Speaker 3: if he didn't play him twice before All Star Break,

1067
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 3: when he got into that game in front of this

1068
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 3: national television everybody didn't have national TV games, then sure

1069
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 3: everybody wasn't on TV. So the guys that was on

1070
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 3: TV wasn't on TV.

1071
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 2: This is my this is.

1072
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 3: To bust somebody. I asked and BC nationally for the

1073
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 3: first time. I'm representing our team, so I got to

1074
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 3: go out there and do my job. Like some of

1075
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 3: those guys, they didn't even want to be in a

1076
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 3: dunk contest, but they had to represent the team because

1077
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 3: the team itself, this is our first chance. So this

1078
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 3: was more competitive because people had I got point to prove. Now, well,

1079
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 3: today's game, I'm on TV twenty times before for the weekend,

1080
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 3: so I already bush. I already bush you ass if

1081
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 3: you was my brother, already we see it. I gave

1082
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 3: you fifty, I got forty eight, right, so when I

1083
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 3: see you, it's a well. Cold was different, Cold saying well,

1084
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 3: I don't have my team, I don't have my structure.

1085
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 3: I don't know what you own, so I don't know

1086
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 3: what you own. I know what I'm gonna be on.

1087
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna hit you first because I don't know what

1088
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 3: kind of time you own. Because I did give.

1089
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 2: You eighty one.

1090
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 3: I did give you it this I don't know when

1091
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 3: you you coming into this building and you're thinking everything

1092
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 3: is salty, you gonna try. I guarantee you. Y'all heard

1093
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 3: there's a sound bite. I'm in a layup line and

1094
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 3: I said, ay, first opportunity to get I'm about to

1095
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 3: he y ain't cold. I'm about to give him. Get

1096
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 3: over here, I air ball, I hit off back boy.

1097
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 6: You.

1098
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 2: But you can see what kind.

1099
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 3: Of time I'm on.

1100
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 2: And that's the time he knew.

1101
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 3: So when he went into that, he was he was

1102
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 3: protecting his brand from looking bad because he knew he

1103
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 3: was vulnerable because I don't have.

1104
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 2: My team defense.

1105
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:30,919
Speaker 1: I don't have that help because I know everybody gonna

1106
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: be jon it. Yeah, I don't want to give you

1107
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: no confidence. I remember I was talking the time, and

1108
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: time said look here and practice were at the Pro Bowl.

1109
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: I ain't let you catch nothing because I don't want

1110
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: you to think you can do something over here and

1111
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: take your butt back to the mainland and think you

1112
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: could do it over there. So I ain't gonna let

1113
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: you catch something over here. Guys wouldn't let you catch

1114
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: the ball. I mean you really had to work in

1115
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: practice to get over to catch the ball. I mean

1116
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: it was like I'm like that, bro, nah, sharp you

1117
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: because I already know yep, you're right. I would I

1118
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 1: would talk cas an yep, sure. But that's the mindset

1119
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,479
Speaker 1: guys had back then, is that I'm not you gonna work,

1120
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: and I want to see I want to see my

1121
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: skills because there was a chance that I didn't get

1122
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: a chance to play against the guy that's in the

1123
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. So I wanted to see why I'm right

1124
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: stacked up against it. Because you know, a lot of

1125
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: times we didn't play a lot of those guys we

1126
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 1: didn't play.

1127
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 2: I mean, like you're in the division, but we didn't.

1128
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: Sometimes we didn't play a lot of those There were

1129
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: years we didn't play the Cowboys. So I wanted to

1130
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: see why I stacked up against some of the defensive players.

1131
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: I want to seem like against Woody some of those guys.

1132
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: So that's that was the mentality we have. I don't

1133
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: know where it went sideways. I honestly don't give I

1134
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: don't know in the Pro Bowl where it went sideways.

1135
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: I don't really know in the NBA where guys just

1136
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: thought it was cool to just let a guy just

1137
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 1: move out.

1138
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 2: In the way.

1139
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been watching old Cliffs them got Hey,

1140
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: them guys ain't giving Charles nothing. They're like, oh, they

1141
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 1: they really guard down there, Gil. They had two one

1142
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty nine shot attempts on Sunday, they had

1143
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: three blocks, and one of them was by step Curry.

1144
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 2: Like I was a part of I was a part

1145
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:12,720
Speaker 2: of three Right.

1146
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 3: When when when people look back and say, these games

1147
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 3: were still good.

1148
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 2: Right now, before the game, we all had.

1149
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 3: That conversation, Hey, we're gonna go out there, let's go

1150
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 3: let's play hard, give these people a show. Right, Oh,

1151
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 3: it's five on five plus all you need is one

1152
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 3: person to do something dumb uh wan somebody shooting from

1153
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 3: half court.

1154
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 2: Everybody wanting to do it everybody.

1155
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, if everybody, everybody is shooting

1156
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 3: for that MVP, you missed three shots, you and you uninterested? Right,

1157
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 3: Kobe have fourteen in the first quarter. He wanted, I'm

1158
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 3: done right. There's things that there's things that go on

1159
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 3: in the game where you can see people be like,

1160
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 3: all right, all right, cod MVP. Let me just go

1161
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,240
Speaker 3: and enjoy the environment.

1162
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 2: You know.

1163
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 3: And and now it really seemed like I seen a

1164
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 3: few bad ones from some stars. You remember the year

1165
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 3: where Giannis is coming down the lane and Steph Curry

1166
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 3: laid fly on the floor like it was little things

1167
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 3: like that and said, ay man, it's about to go south, right,

1168
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 3: I jumped off the trampoline.

1169
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 2: I treated it like like what it was. Man.

1170
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 3: I'm here to enjoy myself, right, you know, this is

1171
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 3: my first three day weekend, four day weekend. You know,

1172
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 3: I'm enjoying myself and enjoy the festival, be around some superstars.

1173
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 3: Get these get these conversations, amen, which is what how

1174
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 3: do you work out? You know? I'm I'm I was

1175
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 3: a fan and a suitent right at the same time.

1176
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 3: I told but you know, trying to watch the mannerisms

1177
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 3: and how people carry themselves, because for the most part,

1178
00:57:54,440 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 3: to be honest on All Star Weekend is a measuring

1179
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 3: stick and a learning experience. Right, we hear the stories.

1180
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 3: Now I get to see them, right, I get to

1181
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 3: see you know, Alan Iverson, and I got three reporters

1182
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 3: sitting to me, and then out of Iverson got the

1183
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 3: whole damn gym. Hey man, So let's go over there.

1184
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 3: Let's go there and see what he talking about. I'm

1185
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 3: watching seeing how he answers questions. Go to Kobe, see how.

1186
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: He answers and does this?

1187
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 3: Watched him duncan Right, it was studying what superstars did,

1188
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 3: how do they move?

1189
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 2: How did they sign?

1190
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 3: When they're going in autograph here y'all signing y'all real autographs, right,

1191
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 3: I ain't know there was fake ones, right and right?

1192
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 3: You know now you know Cole and this is this

1193
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 3: is the one thing you gotta love Kobe for this man.

1194
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:49,919
Speaker 3: He never he never cheated the game. And I mean

1195
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 3: that from every aspect of it. The autographs signing balls, right,

1196
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 3: you got players on there that wrote they just initials.

1197
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 2: Right, y'all.

1198
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 3: I don't want to say no names, but I got

1199
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 3: three balls and just that ain't sure, goddamn autograph. Yeah right,

1200
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 3: just show initials because you don't want to be there.

1201
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 3: You just there's so many balls and you already mentally

1202
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 3: checked out. Let me just sign CB CB or whatever. Right,

1203
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 3: Cob wrote his signature.

1204
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 2: Right, don't.

1205
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 3: You don't have a whole bunch of all. So there's

1206
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 3: a bunch of all star balls out there with just

1207
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 3: letters on it. So he didn't shoot nobody. And that's

1208
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 3: what I got from it. The game itself was the game.

1209
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 3: I was there to learn how to be a star

1210
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 3: from the stars itself, because I'm never going to get

1211
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 3: that anywhere else, right, So you know what I mean.

1212
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 3: So mentally, I wasn't there the game itself. I wanted

1213
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 3: the experience and to understand how to be at this

1214
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 3: level because these are the guys that we look for,

1215
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 3: right being I'd never been in a locker.

1216
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 2: Room with Kobe besides our Star weekend because I walked

1217
00:59:59,240 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 2: my ass in there.

1218
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 3: Hey, now y'all doing up in here?

1219
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 2: Hey, y'all going up in here?

1220
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 3: Ship?

1221
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I start sitting down in

1222
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 2: the chest ship.

1223
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 3: I'm never gonna get this opportunity here, right, so let

1224
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 3: me go ahead, sit down here with dirt, no winskin cold.

1225
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

1226
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 3: She you know she killed on Neil and that's that

1227
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 3: was that was get you don't want to get embarrassed Gil.

1228
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: I mean those guys start coming hard. I said, okay,

1229
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: now you keep coming like that. Now, if you want

1230
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:25,439
Speaker 1: to treat it like a real game, I'm gonna treat

1231
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: like a real game. I'm gonna cut your ass. So

1232
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: I know it's an All Star game. So how we

1233
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: gonna do this now?

1234
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 2: Now?

1235
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: And so look, I just approached it everything. Okay, we're

1236
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: gonna go hard. I'm gonna do everything except cut. The

1237
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: last thing I want to do is cut somebody in

1238
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: a in a in an All Star game and put

1239
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: possibly put him out because I could eaither do it.

1240
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: But I said no, I just hey, I just wanted

1241
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: you to know. I just wanted them to know. But

1242
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: I could cut your ass. But I'm not almost I

1243
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: almost stay I almost stay up.

1244
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 2: But the guy. But the guys took it serious enough.

1245
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: Now where we did we play the first three quarters

1246
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 1: like we did in the fourth quarter? No, no, but

1247
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: they just stop playing it all together. They just stop

1248
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: playing it all together. And that and you're right when

1249
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: the stuff you know, laid down and it's just like, man,

1250
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I just knew this year when

1251
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: they got the two hundred point I said, Adam Silver

1252
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 1: received it. This is not a good look four quarter

1253
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: of at least fifty points, Gill.

1254
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,439
Speaker 3: It's not a good look because of how it looks too.

1255
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 2: Right.

1256
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 3: We can't say this is a great game. This is

1257
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 3: a great product because people are hitting shots. Yes, you

1258
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 3: guys are just this doesn't even look like a practice.

1259
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 3: This doesn't even look like an All Star practice. Shooting

1260
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 3: from the half point. Yeah, this shit's cute, yes, but

1261
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 3: that's not good for the game.

1262
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: It's just on the run at U c l A.

1263
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: Wrong that U c l A and the male competitive

1264
01:01:58,120 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: in this.

1265
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 3: No no, no new games that you would say, Liz

1266
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 3: down there, uh one because we're getting in shape, right,

1267
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 3: and there's guys out there who don't get no time

1268
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 3: on their team and they feel this is my time

1269
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 3: right here, so they're gonna go hand at you.

1270
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 2: Right.

1271
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 3: So you see la runs down there like playoffs. How

1272
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 3: do you fix it? Easy, don't have it, because as

1273
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 3: long as you allow them to go out there and play,

1274
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 3: they're gonna go out there and protect their interests.

1275
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 2: Now here's here's here's something that.

1276
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 3: You're never gonna hear the owners complain about the All

1277
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 3: Star Game looking the way is looking because one thing

1278
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 3: they can count for show my guy ain't gonna go

1279
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 3: out there and get hurt, so you won't. It's a

1280
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 3: double as sword here too, because I jumped off the

1281
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 3: trampoline and my coach Eddie Jordan was the coach and

1282
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 3: I went out there trying to entertain, and the look

1283
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 3: on his face situ ass that like, I'm not playing

1284
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 3: you no more, right, it was. It was one of

1285
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 3: those hey hey, hey, oh no, no, no, no, right, hey,

1286
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 3: this is all fun and games, goddamn it. But were

1287
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 3: trying to make the playoffs. I had to go back

1288
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 3: to Washington have a conversation about what I did, right,

1289
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 3: you know. So you know, for so for the most part,

1290
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 3: as as much as we wanted entertaining, there is still

1291
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 3: an entity that does not care, and that entity is

1292
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 3: the owners. We can say whatever we want, you can

1293
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 3: say whatever you want. But if you're on the other

1294
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 3: side as an owner, oh yeah, for sure, you do

1295
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 3: not care about no All Star Game. You care about

1296
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 3: me having that guy for eighty two games, sixty five games,

1297
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 3: fifty five. That's all you care about. You don't care

1298
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 3: about Embeed going out there throwing a bunch of.

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01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 2: Half quarters up there. What you do is about.

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Speaker 3: What you do care about is him going out there

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Speaker 3: averaging goddamn thirty five on my time, on my dollar,