WEBVTT - Three Dads with Kate Hudson

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, good morning. I don't know why I say that.

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<v Speaker 2>Any time, Chelsea.

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<v Speaker 1>I had.

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<v Speaker 3>I got an epidural last night, last night, last afternoon.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness, what for my neck?

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<v Speaker 3>I have a dislocated uh or an impingement on my

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<v Speaker 3>spinal cord from an.

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<v Speaker 1>Cheap discs in my neck.

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<v Speaker 3>Possibly I had did a big, pretty big face plant

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<v Speaker 3>this winter, so that could have definitely been it. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>I was how experiencing shoulder pain and then I did

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<v Speaker 3>one of those body MRIs and then that told us

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<v Speaker 3>that I had to do a spinal leminari and then

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<v Speaker 3>we found it and then I was like, oh, now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really in pain and gosh. So then I got

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<v Speaker 1>my epidural.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was really excited about my epidural because I've

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<v Speaker 3>spoken about this ad nauseum about how much I enjoy

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<v Speaker 3>being put under, and my assistant had emailed me yesterday

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<v Speaker 3>the day before telling me that I couldn't eat all day,

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<v Speaker 3>which it was at like three p thirty. So I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, oh, that's hard, but of course doable. And

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<v Speaker 3>then I was excited about being put under, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>properly put Yeah, but it was just a twilight and

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>So you didn't get that like real good.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt them poke it in my neck.

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<v Speaker 3>I felt two injections, Like it wasn't the magic carpet, right,

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<v Speaker 3>I was excited about all day.

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<v Speaker 1>That got me through the day. I was excited about.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I love a just like.

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<v Speaker 2>A body buzz.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And when they cut me on the table was funny

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<v Speaker 3>because they had to put me down face down, which

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<v Speaker 3>is really where I belong, but because they had to

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<v Speaker 3>have my neck exposed for the injection.

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<v Speaker 1>And I remember thinking like this is this is going to.

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<v Speaker 3>Be funny when I like I'm out of it, No,

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<v Speaker 3>when I like go under, because I'm going to be

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<v Speaker 3>doing a face plant anyway. So I got home at

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<v Speaker 3>like four point thirty and they'd given me some adavan,

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<v Speaker 3>So I took that the night away and had a

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<v Speaker 3>nice little good night party.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Gop thought it was the morning.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was eleven pm. I got my hyperbaric chamber.

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<v Speaker 3>I slept in there for three.

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<v Speaker 2>Hours after eleven pm.

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<v Speaker 3>After eleven pm you're supposed to do two and a

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<v Speaker 3>half hours. So I don't know, I'll probably have to

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<v Speaker 3>drink some extra water this morning or something.

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<v Speaker 1>My girlfriend the other night was so funny. We were

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<v Speaker 1>at my friend's house. Somebody was like, you have to.

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<v Speaker 3>Drink water, drink more water, And my friend Wendy was like,

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<v Speaker 3>so sick of every She goes, Why is water so trendy?

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<v Speaker 3>She goes, When I grow up, nobody offered me water,

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<v Speaker 3>She goes, I would play all day at school and

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<v Speaker 3>I would come in and have a juice box.

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<v Speaker 1>No one said anything about water. And now everywhere you

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<v Speaker 1>go it's like they're fucking shoving it down your throat.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, we are made what ninety seven percent of water,

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<v Speaker 5>so why do we need so much more of it?

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's there, like it's not going anywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm always I get an iv every week because

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<v Speaker 3>I'm always dehydrated. I never drink enough water, but I like,

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<v Speaker 3>in the last year two years, I've drank much more

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<v Speaker 3>than I used to.

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<v Speaker 1>But water is in everything else you're drinking too.

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<v Speaker 3>And then when they tell you that you're so dehydrated

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<v Speaker 3>that not even water will help.

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<v Speaker 1>You, I'm like, well then what will?

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<v Speaker 3>And they're like, oh, you need an IVY or you

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<v Speaker 3>need electrolytes, and I'm like, all I do is put

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<v Speaker 3>electrolytes in my doctor, doctor.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctors are telling me.

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<v Speaker 3>Every doctor is like, the reason you have this issue

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<v Speaker 3>with your neck is because you're too dehydrated.

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<v Speaker 5>But I do see that drinking water, I have a flavor,

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<v Speaker 5>but sure it's still water.

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<v Speaker 2>After that.

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<v Speaker 3>Enough, I mean, it's never enough, and it's like it

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<v Speaker 3>is being forced down our throats in a way that

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<v Speaker 3>it wasn't that would offer me water. The reason I

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<v Speaker 3>don't drink waters because no one gave me any when

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<v Speaker 3>I was growing up, either someone's mother gave us the water.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, don't go back to that house, like,

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<v Speaker 1>where's my glass of milk?

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<v Speaker 5>When I was in high school, I started getting chronic

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<v Speaker 5>headaches and my mom was like, well, how how long

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<v Speaker 5>have you had these? I was like months, like every

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<v Speaker 5>single day a headache.

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<v Speaker 6>Me.

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<v Speaker 1>Guess they told you to drink water.

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<v Speaker 5>She shir did, And I had a little picture that

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<v Speaker 5>had on the counter every day and I would drink

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<v Speaker 5>the whole thing and then my headaches mysteriously disappear.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, then there you go. Water's great for you. Everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>we're back on track.

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<v Speaker 2>Drink more water.

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<v Speaker 5>Chelsea, do you have any sort of skills or talents

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<v Speaker 5>in your life that you have chosen not to pursue

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<v Speaker 5>since you had sort of other big talents.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I guess acting I never really seriously pursued

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<v Speaker 3>because I don't think I can pretend to be someone

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<v Speaker 3>completely different. Sure I don't have that skill, but like

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<v Speaker 3>I've been in movies, I'm doing a movie. Actually I'm

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<v Speaker 3>doing a cute little role in this movie in a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm filming that in Syracuse, New York.

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<v Speaker 3>And that worked out perfectly because when I'm on tour,

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<v Speaker 3>I can never do anything but right. And they were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's right, I have a date in New York

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<v Speaker 3>and so I was like, yes, perfect, Like I would

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<v Speaker 3>love to, but you know, people don't think of me

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<v Speaker 3>as anything other than like a funny character or like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a big sister best friend type like that.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't want to play that, you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't play j Lo's like sidekick or something.

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<v Speaker 1>But I like to change it up. But I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't love being in a trailer.

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<v Speaker 3>All day waiting, you know, it's a long process. I

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<v Speaker 3>like to use my own language, and so I like

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<v Speaker 3>to improvise on set too. So it's got to be

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<v Speaker 3>a place where I can have fun. Like this movie

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing, They're like, we want you to come and

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<v Speaker 3>have fun, do your thing. This is the role, but

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<v Speaker 3>like do whatever you want with it.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's fun. So I'll do that.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I've never really pursued acting, just because I

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<v Speaker 3>never was really an actress.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, or is it something you're passionate about or like

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<v Speaker 5>not really, it was just a means to an end.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like being a comedian and like kind of

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<v Speaker 3>creating my own Mariner is what I've done, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>with all my books and my stand up and my

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<v Speaker 3>talk shows and the podcast. Like I get to do

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<v Speaker 3>what I'm doing rather than having being placed in someone

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<v Speaker 3>else's project. I feel like I'm very autonomous that way,

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't particularly not that I don't play well

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<v Speaker 3>with others, but I like to be in charge of

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<v Speaker 3>my own stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And there is something really wonderful that you get

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<v Speaker 5>to make these sort of creative decisions. You get to

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<v Speaker 5>be in a position of power rather than just sort

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<v Speaker 5>of going out and having to read the lines that

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<v Speaker 5>somebody else has written for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I can't sing or dance, so like

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<v Speaker 3>those are not options for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't really play a musical instrument. I don't have.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, anything that I'm interested in.

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<v Speaker 3>Is athletic, Like, yeah, I love to ski, so that

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<v Speaker 3>I made sure. I said to myself when I was

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<v Speaker 3>like twenty five years old, when I rediscovered skiing, I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, I want to be successful.

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<v Speaker 1>Enough to pay someone to make me a great skier. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I did do that.

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<v Speaker 5>Are you someone when you're learning a new talent that

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<v Speaker 5>you are like, okay, being bad at it for a while,

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<v Speaker 5>or do you want to be great right away?

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<v Speaker 3>I want to be a good student, so I want

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<v Speaker 3>to I don't want you to have to tell me twice.

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<v Speaker 3>I like very specific instruction, like Spanish. I'm very passionate

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<v Speaker 3>about learning Spanish, but I'm not as diligent as one

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<v Speaker 3>would be if they really wanted to be able to

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<v Speaker 3>converse in the language. Like I'm always trying my Belle

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<v Speaker 3>and I are always working on my Spanish.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on Lingo, dear.

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<v Speaker 3>I have my classes I take each day, I have

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<v Speaker 3>a tutor, but I'm still not fluent. So clearly something's amiss,

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<v Speaker 3>which it's practice. Yeah, but I've also learned when you're

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<v Speaker 3>learning new things as I've gotten older, stop being so

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<v Speaker 3>anal retentive about getting it right, like it absorbs, learning absorbs.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't always hit you in the moment, but once

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<v Speaker 3>you build a strong enough foundation, ye can stuff starts

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<v Speaker 3>to sink in without trying so hard.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm someone who's very I'm very fine with being bad

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<v Speaker 5>at something until i'm good at it and like sticking

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<v Speaker 5>with something. You know, one of my nieces she gets

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<v Speaker 5>so frustrated and angry when she's not like, just perfect

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<v Speaker 5>at it the first try.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, no, it's okay.

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<v Speaker 5>You build skills, you build muscle memory, and then if

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<v Speaker 5>you keep doing it consistently, you'll be great eventually.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's consistency and not flogging yourself or not getting

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<v Speaker 3>it exactly right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a young thing. Uh uh, that's you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So our next guest is a good friend of mine.

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<v Speaker 3>I love her so much. She is a ray of sunshine.

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<v Speaker 3>She has a lot of stuff going on, so let

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<v Speaker 3>me inform you and all of her stuff and products

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<v Speaker 3>that she is involved in I have tried because she

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<v Speaker 3>is a friend. She is the founder of in Bloom,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a supplement powder, and she has a vodka

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<v Speaker 3>brand called.

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<v Speaker 1>King Street vodka.

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<v Speaker 3>She's the cohos of the Sibling Revelry podcast with another

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<v Speaker 3>one of our favorite guests, Oliver Hudson. So please welcome

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<v Speaker 3>actress and entrepreneur Kate Hudson. Yay, Kate, Look who's here,

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<v Speaker 3>My buddy, my sister. Do you know that I grew

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<v Speaker 3>up pretending I in third grade, I lied to all

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<v Speaker 3>my schoolmates so that they would respect me more and

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<v Speaker 3>said that I was going to be in a reboot

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<v Speaker 3>of Private Benjamin and playing Goldie Home's daughter. I just

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<v Speaker 3>lied to the whole school and everyone believed me. So

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<v Speaker 3>when I grew up and I became friends and I

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<v Speaker 3>met Goldie and Kate for the first time, I was like, you, guys,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm part of this family, whether like you accept me

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<v Speaker 3>or not.

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<v Speaker 4>But it was really a fast acceptance.

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<v Speaker 2>Entry perfect.

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<v Speaker 4>It just felt right. It just felt right.

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<v Speaker 3>Speaking of fast entries, I just saw Kate last night. Actually,

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<v Speaker 3>we were celebrating one of her magazine launches.

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<v Speaker 4>We did.

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<v Speaker 3>She's on the cover of Want magazine and so she

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<v Speaker 3>had a party for that because it's her first magazine

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<v Speaker 3>cover ever, and so that's exciting.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was yeah, number one, number one, although it

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<v Speaker 4>was a king Street Vodka party too, so we did

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<v Speaker 4>celebrate with my vodka.

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<v Speaker 3>And I am a big ardent supporter of King Street

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<v Speaker 3>Vodka because of Kate's relationship with them. She introduced me

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<v Speaker 3>to King Street Vodka. And you know that I'm very

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<v Speaker 3>particular about my vodkas. It's either Belvidere or King Street

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<v Speaker 3>for me.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, exactly, I do get a little jealous when

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<v Speaker 4>I see Belvidere. I'm not gonna mine.

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<v Speaker 5>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's because I don't have any King Street left

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<v Speaker 3>because I drank it all because it's so delicious, So

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<v Speaker 3>you have to send me another case.

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose I could order one myself.

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<v Speaker 5>What it is also like very beautiful, like the battle's gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 5>It's perfect for a gift.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, yeah, yeah, you're such a You're such an entrepreneur, Kate.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, look at you blossoming into womanhood.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what.

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<v Speaker 4>I just have so many things I want to do.

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<v Speaker 4>There's this there's this really funny post online where this

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<v Speaker 4>girl's like fully ADHD, like my ADHD self, and.

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<v Speaker 7>She's like I want to do everything, Like I'm going

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<v Speaker 7>to do this and I'm going to like make wooden

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<v Speaker 7>spoons and then basically, it's like, I think that's who

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<v Speaker 7>I am. I think I'm just massively adhd have to

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<v Speaker 7>do a million different things and somehow I'm able to

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<v Speaker 7>like figure it out do it all.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we allowed to talk about what you and I

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about last night? Music?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's talk about that, because I think that's speaking

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<v Speaker 3>of doing a bunch of different things. So Kate is

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<v Speaker 3>musically gifted, and if you didn't know that, she has

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<v Speaker 3>a banging voice on her and she loves to fucking sing.

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<v Speaker 1>I love loves to do everything.

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<v Speaker 3>She loves to dance, she loves to sing, she loves

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<v Speaker 3>to meditate, she likes to have children.

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<v Speaker 4>With multiple men. I love to sing. I mean honestly,

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<v Speaker 4>when I was younger, I thought that's what I was

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<v Speaker 4>going to do, you know, I thought I was gonna

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<v Speaker 4>sing and dance and music theater was always my favorite

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<v Speaker 4>type of acting other than like improv. But really I

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<v Speaker 4>thought I was going to sing. And I never thought like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>I can't do all of it until I started auditioningly

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<v Speaker 4>really young, got very famous, very fast, and then it

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<v Speaker 4>was like, you don't break what's not broken. You don't

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<v Speaker 4>go from being an actor to like now, I'm, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>a musician, so I just kind of kept it to

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<v Speaker 4>myself forever. I just I just wrote music my whole

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<v Speaker 4>life and I have never shared it. And then in

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<v Speaker 4>the lockdown, I was really writing music and then I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, what's I can't keep going and not put

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<v Speaker 4>this out there, I'd really regret it. So I started

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<v Speaker 4>writing and then started writing with Linda Perry. It was

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<v Speaker 4>amazing and we really hit it off, and then it's

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<v Speaker 4>just sort of unfolded from there with no expectation. It

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<v Speaker 4>just sort of was like, I'm just going to make

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<v Speaker 4>a record. I'm going to make a record, and here

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<v Speaker 4>I am, like two years later. It's been a great,

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<v Speaker 4>really great, massive creative experience for me. And I can't

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<v Speaker 4>wait for it to come out.

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<v Speaker 1>And when does it come out?

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<v Speaker 4>I can't say that, yeah, not yet, but it's coming,

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<v Speaker 4>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And did see it influenced this at all?

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<v Speaker 3>This decision because when you guys work together on your

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<v Speaker 3>project you did with her.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like she had an impact on you musically.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you is that accurate?

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<v Speaker 4>You? Like? Sea gave me this like this huge like

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<v Speaker 4>hug of confidence. You know, she really was like, you're

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<v Speaker 4>a singer that's what you really are, and kind of

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<v Speaker 4>gave me these incredible songs to sing that were really

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<v Speaker 4>powerful and where my voice likes to sit, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I like powerful songs, and and yeah, she really gave

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<v Speaker 4>me that like kiss of confidence. I had a hard

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<v Speaker 4>time really believing in myself as a singer for a

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<v Speaker 4>number of different reasons. But over the years, as I

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<v Speaker 4>got older, I got more and more kind of closed

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<v Speaker 4>off with my singing, and then Sea really opened it

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<v Speaker 4>back up for me for sure.

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<v Speaker 8>Wow, like feeling.

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<v Speaker 4>Confident actually just being able to share it.

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<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you're going to go on tour when your

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<v Speaker 3>album comes out, which is something we were talking about

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<v Speaker 3>last we Well, she has experience being on tour because

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<v Speaker 3>she's been married or dated men that have toured the

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<v Speaker 3>whole life, so she knows what that's about.

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<v Speaker 1>Right at the.

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<v Speaker 4>Only way I'm going to get back on tours if

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<v Speaker 4>I do it myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I hear the hell her.

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<v Speaker 3>But another thing that I love about Kate, which I

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<v Speaker 3>want to talk to you about, Kate, is that you

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<v Speaker 3>do have three different children from three different men. And

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<v Speaker 3>I we were talking about that last night because you

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<v Speaker 3>said it's you, Oh, who else? Has that, Kate Winslet

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<v Speaker 3>has that. And then there was another third person who.

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<v Speaker 4>Was the third person Melanie Griffin.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, there's a couple of people.

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<v Speaker 3>Were you saying that you thought you'd take a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of shit for that, because I was saying, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think you take any heat.

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<v Speaker 1>For that, not that you should in any way, I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Take any kind of I would say respectable heat.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, it's probably the same heat I get for not

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<v Speaker 3>having children.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the kind of heat you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right, that's right. But I do get like, I

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<v Speaker 4>do get a lot of you know, the little peanut

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<v Speaker 4>galleries out in the world that like to kind of

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<v Speaker 4>on certain days like Mother's Day. You know, you'll see

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<v Speaker 4>it in the comments, like you must be so proud

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<v Speaker 4>to have three kids with three dads, you know, little

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<v Speaker 4>little things like that, And I'm like, well, yeah, actually

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<v Speaker 4>I am, because it's it's great. But yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 4>I don't catch like any big people don't shame me.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't feel like I get shamed very often about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Every once in a while, Yeah, well, talk to me

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<v Speaker 3>about a little bit what it's like having these kids

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<v Speaker 3>at such different stages in your life. Because last night

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<v Speaker 3>you were saying that Rider's going to be thirty two

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<v Speaker 3>years old when Ronnie gets her driver's license.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, that's right. I mean, well, honestly, it's like for

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<v Speaker 4>me having Rider. I was so young, but.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember, oh my god, I remember that pregnancy. I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't know you that, but I remember your pregnancy. I

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<v Speaker 3>was you, she's like a monster truck.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, I pregnant, and I was like, I am.

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<v Speaker 4>All I wanted was was burgers, fried food, fried chicken,

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<v Speaker 4>and ice cream. And I would eat a pint of

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<v Speaker 4>ice cream my mom. I'd like sit at home, like eating,

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<v Speaker 4>and my mom would like come and I'd see her

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<v Speaker 4>hand just like the ice cream, and I kind of

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<v Speaker 4>pull it away. I gained almost eighty pounds. I was

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<v Speaker 4>so happy. I was just big and happy and and

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<v Speaker 4>I thought I knew what I was doing. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>I really wanted to have a baby. He's really a

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<v Speaker 4>nine to eleven baby, you know, nine to eleven happened.

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<v Speaker 4>I was married to Chris. We were so happy, and

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<v Speaker 4>I just wanted a family and I was ready. And

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<v Speaker 4>then and then you know, six years later, getting divorced,

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<v Speaker 4>going like wow, I'm a mom of a toddler. My

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<v Speaker 4>friends are still just like out and about and single,

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<v Speaker 4>and so I had to figure out how to manage

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<v Speaker 4>being a mom and actually enjoying being young and out

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<v Speaker 4>and single and having a good time. And so I

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<v Speaker 4>never knew what life was without having that voice in

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<v Speaker 4>the back of my head going like you need to

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<v Speaker 4>go home and wake up at six in the morning

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<v Speaker 4>and make pancakes. Like you should go home now, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>So my first rider was like all trial and error.

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<v Speaker 4>I wrote a song about it on my album. He

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<v Speaker 4>was like my witness, you know, he was there my

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<v Speaker 4>whole adult life. And then that relationship didn't work out.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm single and then I met a new guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Was that a difficult separation or divorce for you? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously they're.

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<v Speaker 3>All difficult, but oh yeah, oh yeah, on a scale

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<v Speaker 3>of one to ten.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's really It was really interest when when you're

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<v Speaker 4>going through relationships, especially when you're young in the public eye.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't really get into all that stuff, but that

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<v Speaker 4>was hard for me. Like, I really really really loved Chris.

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<v Speaker 4>We had a great relationship, and the things that got

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<v Speaker 4>in the way for me of sort of growing together.

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<v Speaker 4>I knew we could never grow together for the rest

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<v Speaker 4>of our lives. Like he just fundamentally we saw our

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<v Speaker 4>values were different in certain places that I would never

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<v Speaker 4>have been able to stay on that train with him.

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<v Speaker 4>And he is exactly where he's supposed to be with

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<v Speaker 4>a beautiful wife, and I'm where I'm supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, even now when I look at Chris,

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<v Speaker 4>I have so much deep love for him, Like he

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<v Speaker 4>taught me everything about love. He loved me unconditionally, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think deep down still maybe does you know,

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<v Speaker 4>but he really he taught me so much. But it

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<v Speaker 4>just wasn't meant to be. We weren't meant to be together, right,

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<v Speaker 4>I was through Type A for him.

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<v Speaker 1>I get it. And then you had Bang.

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<v Speaker 4>Then I had Bang.

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<v Speaker 1>So how old were you when you had.

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<v Speaker 4>Rider twenty three, twenty four With Rider.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just so young, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I was thirty one thirty with Bing, he

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<v Speaker 4>was a happy oops. He was my little, my little

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<v Speaker 4>like whoop, pregnant and he's just my little cuddly incredible. Oh,

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<v Speaker 4>he's the best. Being is just I'm so proud of being.

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<v Speaker 4>He's so funny and so smart. He's like the kid

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<v Speaker 4>that I had that I don't recognize, meaning like he's

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<v Speaker 4>good at school, everything he does, he's he can sit

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<v Speaker 4>and read for hours. He's almost twelve years old. No

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<v Speaker 4>learning disability. Everybody in my family is learning disability. Being

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<v Speaker 4>just came out.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, but those are from Oliver, So I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 3>not anyone's fault about all these Really, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. It could be a Hudson hank real

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<v Speaker 4>lineage thing. But you know, Ryder got all that I got,

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<v Speaker 4>all that being being just came out like he is

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<v Speaker 4>just a rocket ship. He can do everything. And so

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<v Speaker 4>I watch him and I see him he's all he

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<v Speaker 4>already judges me. He already looks like she's really like

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<v Speaker 4>underdeveloped mother. And then Ronnie, her little golden female that

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<v Speaker 4>just balanced everything out in the house.

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<v Speaker 3>And she's which I said to Kate last night, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>what does it feel like to have a daughter that

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<v Speaker 3>looks nothing like you?

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<v Speaker 6>My?

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<v Speaker 4>And she just honestly like her. I stare at her

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<v Speaker 4>sometimes and she's talking to me, and I'm just lost

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<v Speaker 4>in her, you know, mom, Mommy, And yes, I'm like

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<v Speaker 4>looking at her just everything her and her nature is

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<v Speaker 4>so different than mine, you know, it's like I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>so tough, she's very everything's about beauty, that she's all

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<v Speaker 4>in the air. I mean sometimes she's so in this

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<v Speaker 4>like beautiful world that she lives in that she runs.

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<v Speaker 4>She literally runs right into things, you know, And I'm

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<v Speaker 4>like the person that like sees everything I could run

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<v Speaker 4>into first, you know, is just all you know, soaks

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<v Speaker 4>everything in all about beauty. She even wakes up in

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<v Speaker 4>the morning. I mean, for when she was like could

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<v Speaker 4>start talking, she'd wake up and like she'd look at

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<v Speaker 4>the sunset and go mine, so the sunset beautiful. I'd

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<v Speaker 4>be like, yes, I have to slow everything down.

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<v Speaker 8>Run.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's so sweet.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think it's so fascinating to think about

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<v Speaker 3>all of the changes that you've gone through as a parent,

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<v Speaker 3>right learning how to parent, and how your parenting has changed,

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<v Speaker 3>probably over all these years and the three children.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And it's weird because sometimes I when I'm really

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<v Speaker 4>trying to be a witness, like I'm trying to figure

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<v Speaker 4>out what I've done right, what I maybe could do better.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a much better parent now, like I have it down,

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<v Speaker 4>but I'm also a much more Sometimes I have these

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<v Speaker 4>anxieties that I didn't have when I was parenting writer.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I had this full, big, happy family, and

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<v Speaker 4>you're like, I just don't want anything to interrupt how

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<v Speaker 4>good it is right now. So then you get all

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<v Speaker 4>the anxiety. You get all the anxiety, whereas before I

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<v Speaker 4>never had those things. I just sort of was way

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<v Speaker 4>more spontaneous. So as I've gotten to become a better parent,

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<v Speaker 4>I've also kind of have different attachments that I'm also

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<v Speaker 4>now trying to like, you know, as I get older,

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<v Speaker 4>I want to, like, I kind of want to remember

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<v Speaker 4>what it's like to have more freedom and more spontaneity,

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<v Speaker 4>to let things be a little messy. It is interesting

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<v Speaker 4>how it changes, you know, and it does ebb and flow,

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<v Speaker 4>and like, some things are better. And then as you

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<v Speaker 4>get older, I think you also can certain things become

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<v Speaker 4>a little too tight as a parent, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think the more aware we could become, it's

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<v Speaker 3>like you get smarter and better at your job. But

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<v Speaker 3>then you also are you have are wise enough and

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<v Speaker 3>experienced enough to know that anything can change in a second,

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<v Speaker 3>so you want to protect what you have, Whereas I

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<v Speaker 3>think when we're younger, we're not as conscious about what

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<v Speaker 3>we have in the first place, we kind of take

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<v Speaker 3>things for granted more, right, especially with your mom too,

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<v Speaker 3>because obviously you guys have a very tight knit family,

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<v Speaker 3>and your relationship with her must have changed so much

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<v Speaker 3>when you had children.

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<v Speaker 4>I think so, I don't know, I mean, sometimes my mom,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, I think you become more apologetic of your

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<v Speaker 4>own behaviors when you become a when you become a mother,

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<v Speaker 4>to your parents, you're like, wow, like they didn't know

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<v Speaker 4>what they were doing either, you know, and I you

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<v Speaker 4>know must have been there have been times where I

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<v Speaker 4>must have just drove them insane, especially all of her.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean I was actually good, you know, I wanted

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<v Speaker 4>them to be proud. All of her just wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>hide everything that he was up to. But now, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean I think I think the relationship where it

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<v Speaker 4>changes is that as you get older, you kind of

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<v Speaker 4>emulate the things that you really love about how you

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<v Speaker 4>grew up, and then you really want to walk away

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<v Speaker 4>from the things that you didn't. I think every parent

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<v Speaker 4>has that moment when they're reflecting on there how they

0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:03.040
<v Speaker 4>were raised, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I think whether you're a parent or not,

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<v Speaker 3>as you get older, you start to understand how you're

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<v Speaker 3>mimicking the very things that you couldn't stand growing up,

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<v Speaker 3>whether it's your mother's or father's behavior, because the mindset,

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<v Speaker 3>well this is a separate thought, but the mindset when

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<v Speaker 3>you're growing up is my parents are in charge, They're

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<v Speaker 3>in control, they know what's best, even though I disagree

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<v Speaker 3>with them most of the time in my case anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>But then as you get older, and now that i'm

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<v Speaker 3>my age, you know, older than my parents were when

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<v Speaker 3>they had me, I'm like, they didn't know what the

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<v Speaker 3>fuck they were doing either, just like I barely knew

0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:36.960
<v Speaker 3>what I was doing. You know, you don't know what

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<v Speaker 3>you're doing until you're in your forties or fifties.

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<v Speaker 4>Sometimes I'm just not sure we really ever know what

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<v Speaker 4>we're doing, to be honest, because like the other day too,

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<v Speaker 4>it's like, now I'm in this place where I'm like,

0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:49.600
<v Speaker 4>you know what, I've got it figured out. And Writer,

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<v Speaker 4>now that writer is turning it as an adult. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>he looks at me the way I looked at my parents, like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what, this is my mom's issues. I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>going to feed into the Now I'm watching Writer do

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<v Speaker 4>that with me, and I'm like, whoa aren't I doing good?

0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:08.000
<v Speaker 4>How about it? He's like, Mom, this is I don't

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<v Speaker 4>think there's any parent in the world that's going to

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<v Speaker 4>get through raising their kids being anything but having that

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<v Speaker 4>thing where their kids goes. I don't want to be

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<v Speaker 4>anything like my parent. There's this, but I don't want

0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:24.360
<v Speaker 4>any of that to be a part of what I'm

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<v Speaker 4>going to, like end up becoming as a parent. I

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<v Speaker 4>can see it and writer already He's like, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't like that part of my mom, you know. And

0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:34.040
<v Speaker 4>You're like, oh god, I thought I was going to

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<v Speaker 4>like win this one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, that is true, right, just when you think

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<v Speaker 3>you have things sorted out. Even in relationships, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you're in a great relationship with your partner Danny for

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<v Speaker 3>and have been for many years now, and you were

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<v Speaker 3>also saying last night, you know how great this relationship

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<v Speaker 3>is for you, how you have space and he respects you,

0:24:56.720 --> 0:24:59.480
<v Speaker 3>and you guys have a great time together, and also

0:24:59.520 --> 0:25:03.280
<v Speaker 3>a healthy relationship when you're apart, and those things when

0:25:03.280 --> 0:25:06.200
<v Speaker 3>they happen in our lives, there's just so much gratitude.

0:25:06.280 --> 0:25:08.000
<v Speaker 3>I feel like when I have somebody in my life

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<v Speaker 3>that I can be completely.

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<v Speaker 1>Myself with, I'm like, oh, this is such a nice gift.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the best. It's all about safety, isn't it. I mean,

0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:16.760
<v Speaker 4>at the end of the day, like if you feel

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<v Speaker 4>that real, like yummy sense of safety, you feel so

0:25:21.920 --> 0:25:25.800
<v Speaker 4>much more freedom. Danny's the first relationship I've had where

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<v Speaker 4>I really feel free. Even though we're in a monogamous

0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:34.639
<v Speaker 4>intimate relationship, I don't feel any part of me that

0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:38.679
<v Speaker 4>feels like I need to break out or feel like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, he gives me so much freedom and my

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<v Speaker 4>life and in the kind of world that we travel in,

0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:49.200
<v Speaker 4>and we travel all over the world and we're meeting

0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:55.080
<v Speaker 4>incredibly interesting people and beautiful people. When you have someone

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<v Speaker 4>who has such a deep trust in you and gives

0:25:57.720 --> 0:26:01.080
<v Speaker 4>you so much freedom, it's just like it feels so nice.

0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:03.760
<v Speaker 4>It's like you never want to do anything to hurt it.

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<v Speaker 4>You know. He really is the first time I felt

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<v Speaker 4>that kind of safety. And I also think with Danny,

0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:13.359
<v Speaker 4>and I don't know if you felt this before in

0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:16.080
<v Speaker 4>any kind of relationship, but Danny has no interest in

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<v Speaker 4>being the center of attention of anything, Like he never

0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:23.719
<v Speaker 4>wanted to be you know, a rock star or a

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<v Speaker 4>famous painter or a famous writer or you know, an

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<v Speaker 4>actor like he never wanted to be in that spotlight.

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<v Speaker 4>So when we're doing things together, like I could be

0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:39.920
<v Speaker 4>on a red carpet and I've never felt that thing

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<v Speaker 4>where I never had to worry about someone else or

0:26:42.720 --> 0:26:46.399
<v Speaker 4>feel like I was making sure that we were doing

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<v Speaker 4>something together, or that that it wasn't going to cause

0:26:49.440 --> 0:26:53.840
<v Speaker 4>any kind of friction or insecurity, Like I'll look around

0:26:53.880 --> 0:26:56.000
<v Speaker 4>for Danny, and Danny would be like talking to anybody,

0:26:56.000 --> 0:26:58.520
<v Speaker 4>and he's so happy, and I just there's something so

0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:03.000
<v Speaker 4>lovely about not having to be with anyone who feels

0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:07.160
<v Speaker 4>a sense of insecurity when you're the center. Even though

0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:10.400
<v Speaker 4>it's all bells and whistles and doesn't mean anything anyway,

0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:13.160
<v Speaker 4>it still can create I think a lot of insecurity

0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:15.119
<v Speaker 4>and men sometimes or women.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, especially in this industry, because you're coming up against

0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:20.040
<v Speaker 3>the same thing. You know, if people are involved in

0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:22.240
<v Speaker 3>the same business, it's like, obviously there's going to be

0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:23.240
<v Speaker 3>a little bit of conflict.

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<v Speaker 1>No matter how evolved you are. You can pretend, but

0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 1>it comes up.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I've had to come up other you know,

0:27:29.040 --> 0:27:32.040
<v Speaker 3>all of my friends who have been dating other celebrities.

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<v Speaker 3>It comes up all the time. Whether you think you're

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<v Speaker 3>above it or beneath it or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>There are moments where it's like, when is it my

0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:42.240
<v Speaker 4>turn to be at the center of what's happening for

0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:44.840
<v Speaker 4>my partner right now? You can't Sometimes you just can't

0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 4>help but feel like, wow, it's happening to them, like

0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:50.440
<v Speaker 4>how do I always just it becomes a sensitive insecurity,

0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:53.760
<v Speaker 4>It becomes a conversation piece. It becomes like I'm trying

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<v Speaker 4>so hard to make this happen, and it can just

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<v Speaker 4>like eat away at any relationship where you're in the

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 4>same field. I think it can be challenging.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Okay, on that note, we're gonna take a couple

0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:08.879
<v Speaker 3>of calls. Okay, we're gonna give people advice. That's what

0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:11.800
<v Speaker 3>we do on this podcast. So put your therapy hat on.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you have it. We're gonna take a quick break.

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<v Speaker 1>I will be right back, and we're back.

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<v Speaker 5>We are well. Our first email comes from Betts. She writes,

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<v Speaker 5>Dear Chelsea, I'm a thirty two year old woman with

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<v Speaker 5>a thirteen year old daughter who's in the seventh grade.

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<v Speaker 5>I've always given my daughter a ton of credit because

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<v Speaker 5>I was, in fact a teen mom and I never

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<v Speaker 5>really had my shit together up until the past handful

0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:43.040
<v Speaker 5>of years. Recently, we've started a new school at a

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<v Speaker 5>new district while making a move to live back with

0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:48.120
<v Speaker 5>my parents, and my job requires so much of my

0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:50.440
<v Speaker 5>time that my parents do all the running for my kids,

0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:53.320
<v Speaker 5>thus making this most logical decision for my family.

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<v Speaker 2>Since moving, my daughter has basically spiraled.

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<v Speaker 5>I allowed her to get Snapchat after waiting for so long,

0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:01.560
<v Speaker 5>and she ruined it within a week as I caught

0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:06.120
<v Speaker 5>her having sexually charged conversations with strangers. This past weekend,

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<v Speaker 5>she had a school dance, and after doing some very

0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 5>light monitoring, I noticed she had been having a conversation

0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:15.720
<v Speaker 5>with a classmate about weed. I decided to drug test her,

0:29:15.960 --> 0:29:19.320
<v Speaker 5>and sure enough, she was positive for THHC. And although

0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:22.080
<v Speaker 5>I'm not anti marijuana, I feel like she's way too young.

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<v Speaker 5>Sometimes when I find myself up in her business, I

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:27.240
<v Speaker 5>hear your voice, Chelsea in the back of my head,

0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:29.600
<v Speaker 5>reminding me I don't own her and that she's her

0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:32.520
<v Speaker 5>own individual self. But I still feel like she's too young.

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:35.080
<v Speaker 5>My biggest fear is that she'll get caught up with

0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:38.040
<v Speaker 5>the wrong crowd. And eventually moved to taking pills. Hell

0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:40.240
<v Speaker 5>I didn't wind up pregnant in high school because I

0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:42.959
<v Speaker 5>was a good kid. But the amount of fentanel related

0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:46.640
<v Speaker 5>deaths in our stupid ass midwestern city is astronomical. What

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<v Speaker 5>are your thoughts on keeping herself aware and safe while

0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 5>becoming her individual self? Side note she started therapy literally

0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:55.000
<v Speaker 5>two days before the discovery of this newest incident.

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<v Speaker 1>Bets Kate, I'm gonna let you take this as a parent.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm just really impressed that she's she hears you.

0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 4>When it comes to her parents, I'm no shit. WHOA Okay, Well,

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:14.600
<v Speaker 4>there's a lot to say. One, I didn't hear anything

0:30:14.600 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 4>about dad, so I'm.

0:30:16.560 --> 0:30:18.800
<v Speaker 2>Not exactly sure what the deal is with dad.

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<v Speaker 5>She says that they split when her daughter was one,

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:24.760
<v Speaker 5>but they get along great. I'm just not sure if

0:30:24.800 --> 0:30:27.320
<v Speaker 5>he lives nearby or any of that stuff.

0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:31.040
<v Speaker 4>Okay, So I think I can really relate to this

0:30:31.200 --> 0:30:34.760
<v Speaker 4>because that's a really really challenging thing when you are

0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:38.480
<v Speaker 4>going through when you start to go through puberty as

0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:41.040
<v Speaker 4>a girl. Who who It doesn't even it doesn't even

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:43.360
<v Speaker 4>matter if you have a stepfather, because I had a

0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:46.880
<v Speaker 4>great stepdad. Kurt's the best. When you have dealt with

0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:51.080
<v Speaker 4>that kind of abandonment and what really feels like a rejection.

0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:56.920
<v Speaker 4>The individuation from mom becomes pretty intense during puberty. Well said,

0:30:57.760 --> 0:31:03.600
<v Speaker 4>and so I I think she's going through probably massive

0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:08.600
<v Speaker 4>hormonal time, you know, And I'm glad she's going to therapy.

0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:10.960
<v Speaker 4>Number one, I would be like, there has to be

0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:15.200
<v Speaker 4>open conversations about dad, and she needs to start feeling

0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:20.320
<v Speaker 4>like she is worthy of being a great, healthy, beautiful

0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:25.920
<v Speaker 4>young girl who doesn't need to appease boys or party

0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:29.160
<v Speaker 4>to like seeing cool or any of those things. And

0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:32.840
<v Speaker 4>then she just needs the information, you know. I think

0:31:32.880 --> 0:31:36.160
<v Speaker 4>like kids in weed is not great, Like you got

0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:39.320
<v Speaker 4>to grow your brain. There's so much research on this,

0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:44.560
<v Speaker 4>Like you start smoking weed too young, too much, it's

0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:47.960
<v Speaker 4>gonna fuck your brain up and it just ages your brain,

0:31:48.000 --> 0:31:50.120
<v Speaker 4>doesn't allow it to develop properly if you're too young

0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:53.240
<v Speaker 4>and you don't give it the right development time, especially

0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:55.959
<v Speaker 4>during puberty. And then there's the other thing, which is

0:31:55.960 --> 0:31:58.240
<v Speaker 4>to say to mom, like we all were there. So

0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:01.520
<v Speaker 4>we were all at that time. I'm in middle school

0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:08.280
<v Speaker 4>where people were experimenting and looking at you know. Now

0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:10.840
<v Speaker 4>we have the snapchat and we have the thing, like

0:32:11.120 --> 0:32:14.160
<v Speaker 4>we were all flirting and we were like trying to

0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:16.680
<v Speaker 4>be sexy and girls were trying to figure out what

0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:20.760
<v Speaker 4>that looked like on them. And it is the time

0:32:20.800 --> 0:32:23.320
<v Speaker 4>where you experiment with those things, so you want to

0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:25.720
<v Speaker 4>remember what it was like for you, which I feel

0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:32.000
<v Speaker 4>like she does, and then take that fucking Snapchat off

0:32:32.320 --> 0:32:37.720
<v Speaker 4>of their phone. I just think that social media for

0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:40.760
<v Speaker 4>kids that aren't wait till they're in ninth grade, like,

0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:43.560
<v Speaker 4>wait till they're a little bit older, like they just

0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:47.320
<v Speaker 4>the research is so heavy on this now. It's terrible

0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:51.960
<v Speaker 4>for kids. It's terrible. So I'm not, like, I will

0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:54.560
<v Speaker 4>not allow my son to get Snapchat when he gets

0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:56.800
<v Speaker 4>his phone. I won't allow him to get Instagram. I

0:32:56.840 --> 0:33:00.320
<v Speaker 4>won't allow him to get TikTok until he's fifty team.

0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:03.920
<v Speaker 4>You can fuck around with it with someone else's phone, fine,

0:33:04.320 --> 0:33:06.720
<v Speaker 4>but not he won't have it on his phone. And

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:08.240
<v Speaker 4>I'm really strict about that.

0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're strict.

0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:10.120
<v Speaker 2>I like that.

0:33:10.440 --> 0:33:12.600
<v Speaker 3>And I also think all you can do as a

0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:17.120
<v Speaker 3>parent is a set boundaries and over communicate. The best

0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:19.320
<v Speaker 3>parents I see are the people who actually have open

0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:21.480
<v Speaker 3>dialogues with their children. And I know your daughter probably

0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:23.000
<v Speaker 3>sounds like she's in a place that she doesn't want

0:33:23.040 --> 0:33:25.840
<v Speaker 3>to hear you talking to her about it because she

0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:27.120
<v Speaker 3>probably thinks she knows better.

0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:29.360
<v Speaker 1>But everything Kay said is perfect.

0:33:29.400 --> 0:33:33.720
<v Speaker 3>She's hormonal, she's growing, she's experimenting, she's looking around like ooh,

0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:36.840
<v Speaker 3>am I interested in that. It's all fucking completely normal.

0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:38.920
<v Speaker 3>The only things that you can control are like the

0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:41.520
<v Speaker 3>guardrails that you put up and getting rid of Snapchat.

0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:43.720
<v Speaker 3>She'll probably try and start a fake account, but it's

0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:46.520
<v Speaker 3>worth getting rid of and making sure that she understands

0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 3>that if she does have a fake account, there are

0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:52.080
<v Speaker 3>going to be repercussions for that. And being in therapy

0:33:52.360 --> 0:33:55.600
<v Speaker 3>is great, thank god, because all she needs is the

0:33:55.600 --> 0:33:57.480
<v Speaker 3>information about what this is going to do.

0:33:57.640 --> 0:33:59.640
<v Speaker 1>What you can't smoke pot when you're thirteen years old.

0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't work that way.

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 3>Your brain has to develop and otherwise you're going to

0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:05.160
<v Speaker 3>pay the price for a really long time. And you

0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:07.400
<v Speaker 3>should put that information in front of her, you know,

0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 3>and not necessarily. I don't know, Kate, what do you

0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:13.040
<v Speaker 3>think about, you know, being a parent versus being a friend,

0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:15.520
<v Speaker 3>Like I think that's a very gray area with a

0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:18.400
<v Speaker 3>lot of parents, where people try to be their kids' friends,

0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:21.200
<v Speaker 3>and I think it's important during these kinds of times

0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:22.360
<v Speaker 3>to really be a parent.

0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:25.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean I really try to talk to my

0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:29.000
<v Speaker 4>kids when it comes to drugs and it comes to sex,

0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:34.279
<v Speaker 4>Like I really get very clinical, and I come from

0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:36.640
<v Speaker 4>a place of like what for me is a parent

0:34:36.760 --> 0:34:39.719
<v Speaker 4>and what I wish for them in their life, the

0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:44.200
<v Speaker 4>seriousness of it, and that it might seem now that

0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 4>it's like fine, but what I've experienced and my friends

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:52.120
<v Speaker 4>of mine that have gone down certain paths and being

0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:55.440
<v Speaker 4>really really brutal and open with them about it. You know,

0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:59.839
<v Speaker 4>I've lost friends to drugs. It's been terrible and I've

0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:03.879
<v Speaker 4>it and you watch it happen. And also like how

0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:07.040
<v Speaker 4>much you love your kids. I remember when I was

0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:10.279
<v Speaker 4>a teenager, like I love my mom so much. My

0:35:10.480 --> 0:35:13.719
<v Speaker 4>hormones and where I was at I had moments where

0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:18.640
<v Speaker 4>I just couldn't stand her. And it's not it wasn't personal.

0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:23.440
<v Speaker 4>It literally was my hormones, a function of me wanting

0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:26.080
<v Speaker 4>to be my own person and my psychology and all

0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:28.759
<v Speaker 4>the things that were happening at that moment, and my

0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:34.440
<v Speaker 4>mom's love and consistency in being there talking to me,

0:35:35.080 --> 0:35:38.600
<v Speaker 4>communicating is what ends up showing actively what that love

0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:40.319
<v Speaker 4>looks like. You know.

0:35:40.400 --> 0:35:42.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I also think you should also treat this

0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:45.880
<v Speaker 3>what's her name again, bet sets like this is a

0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:47.759
<v Speaker 3>time in your life, like it's not the rest of

0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:49.640
<v Speaker 3>your life. She's just going through a time in her

0:35:49.719 --> 0:35:52.200
<v Speaker 3>life right now, and so you have to parent differently

0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:54.680
<v Speaker 3>during this time in order just to help guide her,

0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:57.240
<v Speaker 3>you know. And you can also set up like stepping

0:35:57.239 --> 0:35:59.600
<v Speaker 3>stones for her to earn your trust, you know, so

0:35:59.640 --> 0:36:02.520
<v Speaker 3>that she's to act responsibly. So when she acts responsibly,

0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:04.839
<v Speaker 3>then she can be on social media when you can

0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:07.080
<v Speaker 3>monitor her account and see that she's not talking about

0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:09.640
<v Speaker 3>drugs or sex or things that you're not comfortable with

0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:11.520
<v Speaker 3>yet as a parent of a thirteen year old girl,

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:14.719
<v Speaker 3>which is totally acceptable. You can't control a thirteen year old.

0:36:15.120 --> 0:36:17.319
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you're her parent at thirteen years old. That's

0:36:17.320 --> 0:36:20.040
<v Speaker 3>still your role. And when I say like you don't

0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:22.840
<v Speaker 3>own your children, I mean that in a larger sense.

0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:25.680
<v Speaker 3>I think as a thirteen year old girl, you are

0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 3>in charge of her. You don't own her, no, but

0:36:27.800 --> 0:36:30.400
<v Speaker 3>you are in control of the way she's going to

0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:33.279
<v Speaker 3>be directed. And so you just take that part really

0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:37.080
<v Speaker 3>seriously in this sensitive time which is puberty, and you're

0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:39.560
<v Speaker 3>not alone everyone is dealing with the same thing with

0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:41.880
<v Speaker 3>a thirteen year old girl, you know, if not exactly

0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:42.399
<v Speaker 3>the same thing.

0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:42.920
<v Speaker 1>I heard a.

0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:45.919
<v Speaker 4>Great piece of advice where someone said, like, we don't

0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:48.800
<v Speaker 4>need tough love, like the world presents us with tough

0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:52.479
<v Speaker 4>and I was raised with a lot of tough love.

0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:55.520
<v Speaker 4>When I heard that, I was like, that's a really

0:36:55.560 --> 0:36:59.360
<v Speaker 4>interesting approach when you say boundaries, Like there's a way

0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:03.680
<v Speaker 4>to set boundaries that don't feel like you're coming down

0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:07.719
<v Speaker 4>on your kids, but really feel like we need to

0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:09.799
<v Speaker 4>meet each other as our kids get older. I remember

0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:13.640
<v Speaker 4>saying a rider our relationship will change. My love for

0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:16.600
<v Speaker 4>you never change is but our relationship and the mutual

0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:20.200
<v Speaker 4>respect that needs to start happening changes as you become

0:37:20.320 --> 0:37:23.560
<v Speaker 4>as you get older. And if we can't meet each other,

0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:26.880
<v Speaker 4>there's we're going to have a complicated relationship. And I

0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:30.040
<v Speaker 4>have boundaries, and if this is going to be smooth,

0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:32.600
<v Speaker 4>then we got to be able to talk these things out,

0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:35.719
<v Speaker 4>and that I think is the best, the only thing

0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:36.960
<v Speaker 4>you can do. You know.

0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:39.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I like the idea of not looking at boundaries

0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:43.120
<v Speaker 3>as a punishment, but actually as like an encouragement, like, Okay,

0:37:43.200 --> 0:37:45.160
<v Speaker 3>you know, if you meet all of these criteria. Then

0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:46.839
<v Speaker 3>you're going to have more freedom to make your own

0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:49.000
<v Speaker 3>decisions once you prove to me that you're making sound

0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:52.520
<v Speaker 3>decisions and responsible decisions for your health and your safety,

0:37:52.560 --> 0:37:53.040
<v Speaker 3>et cetera.

0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:54.440
<v Speaker 2>It's a reward system.

0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:56.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like a reward system. It doesn't have to be like, no,

0:37:56.960 --> 0:37:58.880
<v Speaker 3>you're a bad girl. It's like, look, if you do this,

0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:01.200
<v Speaker 3>you can get this, you know, and after time of

0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:04.239
<v Speaker 3>watching her mature, which you will, like, don't worry, you're

0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:06.239
<v Speaker 3>gonna be fine. You've got her in therapy. You've done

0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:08.759
<v Speaker 3>all the right things. So just be very you know,

0:38:09.239 --> 0:38:12.040
<v Speaker 3>conscious of making sure you're over communicating all the time,

0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:14.440
<v Speaker 3>whether she wants to or not, you're available for it

0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:16.400
<v Speaker 3>if she ever needs you. So that's the message you

0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:18.920
<v Speaker 3>get across when you're always showing up for someone, is

0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:20.560
<v Speaker 3>that when they do need you, you'll be there.

0:38:20.960 --> 0:38:23.560
<v Speaker 4>So parenting is hard.

0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:25.000
<v Speaker 1>And that's why I've chosen not to do it and

0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:25.840
<v Speaker 1>participate in that.

0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:29.080
<v Speaker 4>It's not an easy job. Our kids challenge us so

0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:32.040
<v Speaker 4>deeply and profoundly. They also know how to pick and

0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:35.759
<v Speaker 4>poke at all your weak spots. They see it, even

0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:37.680
<v Speaker 4>if they don't even know that they're seeing it. They know.

0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:40.480
<v Speaker 4>I think the other thing is that our kids are

0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:43.200
<v Speaker 4>our teachers. When we see our kids going through something,

0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:46.960
<v Speaker 4>we also need to reflect back on ourselves. You know,

0:38:47.000 --> 0:38:51.239
<v Speaker 4>they've moved, she's moved. She must feel destabilizing for her.

0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:54.040
<v Speaker 4>She's acting out, and so I think mom too has

0:38:54.080 --> 0:38:56.120
<v Speaker 4>to look and go like, what am I doing that's

0:38:56.200 --> 0:38:57.719
<v Speaker 4>contributing to that.

0:38:58.239 --> 0:39:02.560
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I wanted to touch on the fentanyl concern. You know,

0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:05.080
<v Speaker 5>there are those fentanyl test strips that are out there,

0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:07.160
<v Speaker 5>and you know, on the one hand, it feels like

0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:10.120
<v Speaker 5>providing your child with that could be sort of seen

0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:12.799
<v Speaker 5>as you're saying, like, go ahead, do whatever you want

0:39:12.800 --> 0:39:15.560
<v Speaker 5>with pills whatever. On the other hand, like it's a

0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:19.840
<v Speaker 5>real concern. What are your thoughts about about fentyl and safety?

0:39:20.080 --> 0:39:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh god, I don't know, okay about that.

0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:26.400
<v Speaker 4>I a part of me just feels bad that kids

0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:29.040
<v Speaker 4>can't live in the world that we did when we experimented,

0:39:29.280 --> 0:39:31.360
<v Speaker 4>you know, you know, where we didn't have this issue.

0:39:31.480 --> 0:39:33.400
<v Speaker 4>You were like, oh, well, I guess we'll try it.

0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:36.319
<v Speaker 4>You know, I was like, you weren't afraid that like

0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:38.960
<v Speaker 4>that you could die and had to carry around like

0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:44.200
<v Speaker 4>narcam and have fentanyl strips. I mean, I've heard crazy

0:39:44.200 --> 0:39:46.719
<v Speaker 4>story Like the other day is my son. We're talking

0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:49.680
<v Speaker 4>about these kids that had fentanyl strips and they thought

0:39:49.840 --> 0:39:51.799
<v Speaker 4>that it was fine and they one of them ended

0:39:51.880 --> 0:39:55.960
<v Speaker 4>up Odin's fentanyl in it, and oh, really terrible. Yeah,

0:39:56.040 --> 0:39:58.600
<v Speaker 4>and you're like, this is at the end of the day,

0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:01.160
<v Speaker 4>we're just living. I I just say to my kids,

0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:03.719
<v Speaker 4>just don't do it. Just don't fucking do it.

0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:06.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's not it doesn't seem worth it anymore. I

0:40:06.520 --> 0:40:08.359
<v Speaker 3>feel badly like I grew up in a time where

0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:10.120
<v Speaker 3>you could try anything and it was pretty much going

0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:11.000
<v Speaker 3>to be fine.

0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:12.480
<v Speaker 1>But it's not like that anymore.

0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:15.279
<v Speaker 3>And you know, it's a bummer because you do want

0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 3>to experiment and have a little fun, but you can't

0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:17.480
<v Speaker 3>do that.

0:40:17.560 --> 0:40:19.360
<v Speaker 1>It's just not worth the risk at this point.

0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:21.399
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's how I see it now.

0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:24.319
<v Speaker 3>It's like I do feel like giving somebody a fence

0:40:24.320 --> 0:40:27.319
<v Speaker 3>and all strip is permissive, it's right saying okay, well

0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:29.400
<v Speaker 3>if you do it, then yeah, I don't know.

0:40:29.440 --> 0:40:31.640
<v Speaker 1>I would feel weird about that as a parrot.

0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:34.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, especially that young that's young kid.

0:40:35.760 --> 0:40:38.520
<v Speaker 5>Well that's all from bets, but let's jump to our

0:40:38.600 --> 0:40:44.160
<v Speaker 5>first collar. Monica Rights, Dear Chelsea. I'm thirty six years

0:40:44.160 --> 0:40:45.880
<v Speaker 5>old and have been with my partner for two and

0:40:45.880 --> 0:40:48.680
<v Speaker 5>a half years. When we decided to become exclusive, I

0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:51.279
<v Speaker 5>asked him where he stood on having kids. He said

0:40:51.280 --> 0:40:53.840
<v Speaker 5>he was indifferent. He'd be happy with or without kids.

0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:54.719
<v Speaker 2>I was clear with.

0:40:54.719 --> 0:40:57.360
<v Speaker 5>Him that I want children. All was good on that front,

0:40:57.520 --> 0:41:00.399
<v Speaker 5>so we moved ahead. About a year in, he told

0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:03.080
<v Speaker 5>me he actually wasn't so sure about having kids. He

0:41:03.160 --> 0:41:05.080
<v Speaker 5>realized he hadn't really thought about it that much when

0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:07.480
<v Speaker 5>I first asked him, and now he's having second thoughts.

0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:10.960
<v Speaker 5>I was devastated. Our relationship has been amazing so far,

0:41:11.560 --> 0:41:14.880
<v Speaker 5>and we decided to move in together. Per my request,

0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:17.759
<v Speaker 5>we started couples counseling to help with that transition. In

0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:20.560
<v Speaker 5>counseling and with his own counselor, he came to the

0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:23.160
<v Speaker 5>conclusion that his doubts about kids were rooted in fears

0:41:23.160 --> 0:41:26.600
<v Speaker 5>he had from his prayer marriage and conservative Christian upbringing.

0:41:26.760 --> 0:41:30.560
<v Speaker 5>Thank Jesus, he's no longer religious or married. I'm delighted

0:41:30.560 --> 0:41:32.799
<v Speaker 5>that he is back on board with having kids now.

0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:35.960
<v Speaker 5>The problem is adoption has long been a dream of mine.

0:41:36.480 --> 0:41:39.000
<v Speaker 5>He knows this, but it's not a deal breaker. For me,

0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:42.160
<v Speaker 5>not wanting kids at all is a deal breaker. Over

0:41:42.160 --> 0:41:44.680
<v Speaker 5>the last year or so, I began to realize how

0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:47.920
<v Speaker 5>important adopting is to me for so many reasons. My

0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:51.239
<v Speaker 5>partner does not want to adopt, and he's adamant. When

0:41:51.280 --> 0:41:53.919
<v Speaker 5>I've asked why, he just says he's not interested. I've

0:41:53.920 --> 0:41:56.080
<v Speaker 5>tried to respect his wishes, but I'm not ready to

0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:58.759
<v Speaker 5>let it rest. Where do I go from here? I'm

0:41:58.800 --> 0:42:00.680
<v Speaker 5>afraid to keep probing the top back as I don't

0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:02.760
<v Speaker 5>feel like I have a good idea of other questions

0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:05.200
<v Speaker 5>to ask or what to say to convey how important

0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:07.960
<v Speaker 5>this is to me. Please help Monica.

0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Hi Monica, Hello, Hi Monica, Hi Monica. This is our

0:42:12.520 --> 0:42:19.399
<v Speaker 1>special guest, Kate Hudson today. Hello, Hi Kate, Hi Chelsea, Hi, Kutie, Okay, Kate, Kate.

0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:21.440
<v Speaker 1>It's passionate. So I'm gonna let Kate go first.

0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:23.839
<v Speaker 4>Well, first of all, there's a lot unpacked here, because

0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:25.879
<v Speaker 4>it sounds like there's like you, you know, you guys

0:42:25.960 --> 0:42:28.080
<v Speaker 4>haven't been on the same page for meant for a

0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:30.160
<v Speaker 4>lot of years. It's like goes back and forth with

0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:32.200
<v Speaker 4>the whole kid thing. But there's also I mean, just

0:42:32.560 --> 0:42:36.440
<v Speaker 4>simply you can also have babies on your own. Yeah,

0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:39.920
<v Speaker 4>if adoption is your life's purpose and you want to

0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:42.920
<v Speaker 4>do that as much as you love him, you need

0:42:42.960 --> 0:42:45.839
<v Speaker 4>to go adopt a child and have and you'll never

0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:47.080
<v Speaker 4>regret it, I'll tell you that.

0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:48.760
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, but you will.

0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:51.080
<v Speaker 4>Regret being with someone where you to feel like you're

0:42:51.120 --> 0:42:54.760
<v Speaker 4>not doing something that you're meant to be doing. Yeah,

0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:56.759
<v Speaker 4>that's how I feel about it. I mean, you know,

0:42:56.960 --> 0:43:01.840
<v Speaker 4>really simply like if someone loves you and you're in

0:43:01.920 --> 0:43:04.040
<v Speaker 4>it together, like then you figure out how to do

0:43:04.080 --> 0:43:06.520
<v Speaker 4>it together. And if you're not on the same page,

0:43:06.560 --> 0:43:08.239
<v Speaker 4>you're never going to be on the same page about that.

0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:12.440
<v Speaker 6>Yeah. Yeah, those are great points. It's interesting you brought up,

0:43:12.440 --> 0:43:14.000
<v Speaker 6>you know, being able to do it on my own

0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:17.880
<v Speaker 6>before this relationship. You know, many years ago, I was

0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:20.880
<v Speaker 6>very concerned about finding a partner at all, and I

0:43:20.920 --> 0:43:22.920
<v Speaker 6>was like, I'm getting too old to start a family.

0:43:22.960 --> 0:43:25.480
<v Speaker 6>And I finally came to the point where I accepted

0:43:25.520 --> 0:43:29.000
<v Speaker 6>and was okay with and happy with the reality that

0:43:29.080 --> 0:43:31.239
<v Speaker 6>I could go out and adopt children on my own

0:43:31.440 --> 0:43:35.040
<v Speaker 6>and still live a full and happy life. So yeah,

0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:37.239
<v Speaker 6>it's interesting you bring up that point.

0:43:37.239 --> 0:43:42.200
<v Speaker 3>Which is a very salient point because instinctively, I was thinking, like, oh,

0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:44.239
<v Speaker 3>he was already on the fence about having kids. You

0:43:44.320 --> 0:43:46.440
<v Speaker 3>convinced him to do that through therapy, and now you're

0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:47.799
<v Speaker 3>throwing another wrench at him.

0:43:47.960 --> 0:43:51.200
<v Speaker 1>It feels slightly unfair for you to be putting that.

0:43:51.440 --> 0:43:53.640
<v Speaker 3>You know, you're kind of moving the goal posts for him,

0:43:53.719 --> 0:43:56.839
<v Speaker 3>even though they've been your goalposts. It feels like it's

0:43:56.920 --> 0:43:59.560
<v Speaker 3>unfair to him for that. So I but I think

0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:02.360
<v Speaker 3>Katie's right, like, you're never going to regret a child.

0:44:02.400 --> 0:44:05.360
<v Speaker 3>Nobody regrets having children, you know what I mean. But

0:44:05.480 --> 0:44:10.040
<v Speaker 3>you will resent to somebody for stopping your dreams to

0:44:10.160 --> 0:44:11.520
<v Speaker 3>come into full bloom.

0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:13.560
<v Speaker 1>And that's very valid.

0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:15.799
<v Speaker 3>And if you think that's something that you can't live

0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:19.080
<v Speaker 3>without doing without adoption, then you absolutely need to let

0:44:19.160 --> 0:44:22.880
<v Speaker 3>him know that and and prepare to leave the relationship

0:44:22.960 --> 0:44:24.160
<v Speaker 3>if he doesn't change his mind.

0:44:24.719 --> 0:44:28.799
<v Speaker 6>Yeah. Yeah, that's that's a great point. It's it's you know,

0:44:28.840 --> 0:44:31.839
<v Speaker 6>everything is really great aside from this one thing that's

0:44:31.880 --> 0:44:34.200
<v Speaker 6>kind of unresolved, and the idea of leaving him is

0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:37.120
<v Speaker 6>really hard because I love him so much. Do you

0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:39.560
<v Speaker 6>think you know the idea of the moving goalpost? Do

0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:42.120
<v Speaker 6>you feel like this is a conversation that's fair to

0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:44.399
<v Speaker 6>have with him to like hope that he gets there,

0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:46.399
<v Speaker 6>Like if i'm you know.

0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:49.400
<v Speaker 3>Well, you have to have the conversation because this is

0:44:49.440 --> 0:44:51.759
<v Speaker 3>what you want. But did you convey this early on

0:44:51.840 --> 0:44:53.840
<v Speaker 3>in your relationship that you were into adoption or is

0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:55.439
<v Speaker 3>this a newer feeling that you've had.

0:44:58.480 --> 0:45:01.720
<v Speaker 6>I definitely conveyed it within the first year. I don't

0:45:01.760 --> 0:45:04.120
<v Speaker 6>recall that I brought it up when I first told

0:45:04.200 --> 0:45:07.600
<v Speaker 6>him that I definitely want kids. That was very very

0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:09.960
<v Speaker 6>early on when I said that. In hindsight, I wish

0:45:10.000 --> 0:45:13.040
<v Speaker 6>I would have brought up adoption then as well. But yeah,

0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:15.920
<v Speaker 6>he's known about it for a while, and it's only

0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:18.440
<v Speaker 6>been more recently, like in the last I don't know,

0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:21.080
<v Speaker 6>maybe six months or so that he has said, you

0:45:21.120 --> 0:45:24.080
<v Speaker 6>know where I've kind of asked him again. I brought

0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:26.359
<v Speaker 6>it up at least a second time, and he's like, yeah,

0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:30.439
<v Speaker 6>I don't think that's something I want to do, And yeah,

0:45:30.440 --> 0:45:32.359
<v Speaker 6>I guess I'm not sure how to bring this up

0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:35.879
<v Speaker 6>again when all he's given me is I don't want

0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:38.760
<v Speaker 6>to do that. I'm just not interested. Yeah, I'm curious

0:45:38.840 --> 0:45:42.279
<v Speaker 6>like how to get like to what's underneath that my.

0:45:42.360 --> 0:45:47.680
<v Speaker 4>Therapist always says, you know, when you change, then everything

0:45:47.719 --> 0:45:51.080
<v Speaker 4>starts changing around you, you know, because at the end

0:45:51.120 --> 0:45:53.359
<v Speaker 4>of the day, this is really more about you than

0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:56.520
<v Speaker 4>it is about him. I think you need to be

0:45:56.600 --> 0:46:00.520
<v Speaker 4>really clear about what you want first. It's not that

0:46:01.320 --> 0:46:04.560
<v Speaker 4>you know, if you really want to have an adopt

0:46:04.640 --> 0:46:08.480
<v Speaker 4>if you have the means obviously really important to bring

0:46:08.960 --> 0:46:12.120
<v Speaker 4>and to pay for a child on your own, and

0:46:12.160 --> 0:46:15.880
<v Speaker 4>that something that is really important to you is adoption,

0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:19.839
<v Speaker 4>then you need to like really lean into that as

0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:23.319
<v Speaker 4>something that you need to do in your life. And

0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:27.120
<v Speaker 4>the more sure you are, then you'll see it will

0:46:27.160 --> 0:46:28.000
<v Speaker 4>reveal itself.

0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:32.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and people do warm up to ideas, you know.

0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:33.680
<v Speaker 5>I don't think it's like, Okay, we have to talk

0:46:33.719 --> 0:46:36.520
<v Speaker 5>about this once and decide, Like if you're bringing it

0:46:36.680 --> 0:46:40.000
<v Speaker 5>up on occasion and talking to him about how important

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:42.399
<v Speaker 5>it is to you, how much you love the idea,

0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:44.400
<v Speaker 5>like he may warm to the idea.

0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:46.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, let me ask you a question, Monica, is it

0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:47.120
<v Speaker 1>a deal breaker?

0:46:47.200 --> 0:46:50.640
<v Speaker 3>Like if you want adoption is more important than your relationship,

0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:52.440
<v Speaker 3>I mean, sorry to put it that way, but that's

0:46:52.480 --> 0:46:53.719
<v Speaker 3>pretty much what it comes down to.

0:46:54.360 --> 0:46:57.919
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you know, and that's kind of something I'm trying

0:46:57.960 --> 0:47:00.600
<v Speaker 6>to decide where I do think I need to figure

0:47:00.600 --> 0:47:02.840
<v Speaker 6>out where I stand on this issue, whether it's a

0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:06.319
<v Speaker 6>deal breaker or not. I previously thought just you know,

0:47:06.360 --> 0:47:09.000
<v Speaker 6>not wanting kids was a deal breaker and that I

0:47:09.040 --> 0:47:12.040
<v Speaker 6>could compromise on the adoption thing. But the more that

0:47:12.080 --> 0:47:14.080
<v Speaker 6>I've thought about it in the last year or so,

0:47:14.520 --> 0:47:17.680
<v Speaker 6>I'm realizing that it I don't know. I'm not to

0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:19.200
<v Speaker 6>the point yet where I want to call it a

0:47:19.239 --> 0:47:21.560
<v Speaker 6>deal breaker, but it is very important to me, and

0:47:21.640 --> 0:47:24.600
<v Speaker 6>I would be sad to give up that dream.

0:47:24.920 --> 0:47:25.080
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:47:25.120 --> 0:47:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think what you can do is, do you

0:47:26.480 --> 0:47:27.960
<v Speaker 1>guys go to a couples counseling at all?

0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:32.040
<v Speaker 6>We have we're not currently, but we were earlier this year.

0:47:32.560 --> 0:47:34.640
<v Speaker 3>Well, you might want to enlist a counselor to kind

0:47:34.640 --> 0:47:36.279
<v Speaker 3>of talk about it with you, because it's always better

0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:38.200
<v Speaker 3>to have a third party, I think. But I think

0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:40.200
<v Speaker 3>there's a very natural, sweet way you can bring it

0:47:40.280 --> 0:47:42.480
<v Speaker 3>up without putting It's not like you're ending the relationship,

0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:45.279
<v Speaker 3>but you're introducing the idea that this is something that's

0:47:45.360 --> 0:47:47.480
<v Speaker 3>really become more and more important to you. Maybe you

0:47:47.480 --> 0:47:50.640
<v Speaker 3>didn't even realize how important it was, the adoption and

0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:53.200
<v Speaker 3>you're at a time in your life where you're really thinking, like,

0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:55.240
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if I'm going to be complete without

0:47:55.280 --> 0:47:57.680
<v Speaker 3>doing this, And I just need you to know that

0:47:57.800 --> 0:47:59.680
<v Speaker 3>this is how I'm feeling, and I would love for

0:47:59.719 --> 0:48:02.239
<v Speaker 3>you to change your mind, but I'm also not here

0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:03.600
<v Speaker 3>to make you change your mind.

0:48:03.880 --> 0:48:06.200
<v Speaker 1>Like if you're not on board, and I have to

0:48:06.239 --> 0:48:06.839
<v Speaker 1>respect that.

0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:08.799
<v Speaker 3>You have to respect his decision as well as you

0:48:08.800 --> 0:48:11.600
<v Speaker 3>have as you're respecting your own decision, you know, whatever

0:48:11.640 --> 0:48:15.000
<v Speaker 3>that ends up being, and give him the room to

0:48:15.120 --> 0:48:17.719
<v Speaker 3>think about it and like soak in the idea of

0:48:17.760 --> 0:48:20.600
<v Speaker 3>what might that look like as your future. And that

0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:23.440
<v Speaker 3>way you're giving each other room in space to breathe

0:48:23.440 --> 0:48:27.120
<v Speaker 3>and contemplate a decision and a new life and all

0:48:27.160 --> 0:48:30.280
<v Speaker 3>of that of those things without saying this, you better

0:48:30.320 --> 0:48:31.960
<v Speaker 3>do this or I'm leaving you know what I mean.

0:48:32.000 --> 0:48:33.120
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't have to be like that.

0:48:33.360 --> 0:48:35.160
<v Speaker 4>Do you guys live together? You live together?

0:48:35.640 --> 0:48:36.319
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, we do.

0:48:37.280 --> 0:48:39.440
<v Speaker 4>I mean that there's also like you could just be like,

0:48:39.600 --> 0:48:41.640
<v Speaker 4>I really love you, I want to keep seeing you.

0:48:41.960 --> 0:48:44.839
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to adopt I'm a baby. I'm gonna get

0:48:44.920 --> 0:48:47.680
<v Speaker 4>in my own house, and you don't have to raise

0:48:47.719 --> 0:48:49.560
<v Speaker 4>this baby with me, but you know, I don't want

0:48:49.600 --> 0:48:52.480
<v Speaker 4>to end it. Yeah, yeah, see what happened, you know.

0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:52.839
<v Speaker 3>What I mean?

0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:56.320
<v Speaker 1>I like that option. That's a great option. Yeah.

0:48:56.360 --> 0:48:59.880
<v Speaker 6>When he was uncertain about kids, my counselor suggested something

0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:02.360
<v Speaker 6>I thought, you know, just you know, you can live separately,

0:49:02.440 --> 0:49:04.640
<v Speaker 6>raise a child and still be together, which is something

0:49:04.680 --> 0:49:06.399
<v Speaker 6>that I still I don't know. I haven't been able

0:49:06.440 --> 0:49:09.440
<v Speaker 6>to fully wrap my head around, because I do want to,

0:49:09.560 --> 0:49:11.800
<v Speaker 6>you know, have a partner in a you know, a

0:49:11.880 --> 0:49:15.200
<v Speaker 6>more traditional family. Yeah, but yeah, I mean that is

0:49:15.360 --> 0:49:15.879
<v Speaker 6>that is an.

0:49:15.760 --> 0:49:18.040
<v Speaker 4>Option that I should give some more thought. Truth is

0:49:18.080 --> 0:49:21.480
<v Speaker 4>the second, the second it starts happening. You know, if

0:49:21.520 --> 0:49:23.400
<v Speaker 4>you guys really love each other, he's probably just going

0:49:23.480 --> 0:49:25.120
<v Speaker 4>to be all over that child.

0:49:25.360 --> 0:49:28.359
<v Speaker 3>And you know, I'm thinking the same thing. I think

0:49:28.400 --> 0:49:30.480
<v Speaker 3>that that that. I think that's a good move. That's

0:49:30.520 --> 0:49:31.560
<v Speaker 3>a good sideways move.

0:49:31.640 --> 0:49:35.520
<v Speaker 1>I like that. We don't usually give sideways advice, or

0:49:35.560 --> 0:49:37.640
<v Speaker 1>actually we probably do unknowingly.

0:49:38.320 --> 0:49:39.920
<v Speaker 4>I've ever done is sideways.

0:49:42.120 --> 0:49:44.520
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, think about think outside the box, you know

0:49:44.520 --> 0:49:46.279
<v Speaker 3>what I mean. You're thinking about everything has to be

0:49:46.280 --> 0:49:48.640
<v Speaker 3>in this perfect little unit. It doesn't necessarily have to.

0:49:48.680 --> 0:49:49.239
<v Speaker 1>Be that way.

0:49:49.600 --> 0:49:52.600
<v Speaker 3>We live in modern times in some states, so you can,

0:49:53.320 --> 0:49:55.200
<v Speaker 3>you know, chart your own course.

0:49:55.520 --> 0:49:56.960
<v Speaker 1>And you should definitely be a mother.

0:49:57.000 --> 0:49:58.880
<v Speaker 3>I can tell by your whole aura and energy that

0:49:58.960 --> 0:50:01.480
<v Speaker 3>you're a maternal and you should live that dream out,

0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:01.839
<v Speaker 3>you know.

0:50:02.000 --> 0:50:02.680
<v Speaker 6>Thank you.

0:50:02.680 --> 0:50:04.279
<v Speaker 1>You're very motherly. I can see it.

0:50:05.400 --> 0:50:05.920
<v Speaker 8>Thank you.

0:50:06.560 --> 0:50:08.960
<v Speaker 4>I just think that that's so amazing because there's so

0:50:09.360 --> 0:50:12.719
<v Speaker 4>there's so many kids that need homes, and I have

0:50:12.760 --> 0:50:15.319
<v Speaker 4>so many friends who've adopted, and it's just it's just

0:50:15.360 --> 0:50:18.280
<v Speaker 4>the best, and it's just you know everything.

0:50:18.440 --> 0:50:21.600
<v Speaker 5>So yeah, and of course having your own kid doesn't

0:50:21.640 --> 0:50:24.600
<v Speaker 5>preclude you from adopting Monica. You know, you might have

0:50:24.640 --> 0:50:27.000
<v Speaker 5>a kid together, adopt and have another kid later.

0:50:27.120 --> 0:50:29.320
<v Speaker 3>That's a great way to trap him, have the baby together,

0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:31.239
<v Speaker 3>and then adopt the baby.

0:50:31.360 --> 0:50:31.720
<v Speaker 6>Perfect.

0:50:31.760 --> 0:50:33.600
<v Speaker 1>You will know what the fuck hit him. He'll be like,

0:50:33.640 --> 0:50:35.000
<v Speaker 1>whoa whoopsie doodle.

0:50:35.120 --> 0:50:36.080
<v Speaker 8>How'd I end up here?

0:50:38.800 --> 0:50:39.680
<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much?

0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:43.960
<v Speaker 1>Good luck with everything you post it?

0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:46.840
<v Speaker 6>Okay, we'll do bye bye.

0:50:47.080 --> 0:50:50.160
<v Speaker 1>Okay bye. You just reminded me to drink my water.

0:50:50.360 --> 0:50:52.120
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, so fun.

0:50:52.520 --> 0:50:53.600
<v Speaker 1>I know, it's so fun.

0:50:53.640 --> 0:50:56.600
<v Speaker 4>Through this on my podcast is Oliver. I'm gonna steal this.

0:50:57.080 --> 0:50:59.799
<v Speaker 1>K Kate's podcast is called Sibling Revelry. If you guys

0:50:59.840 --> 0:51:00.400
<v Speaker 1>have heard it.

0:51:00.440 --> 0:51:02.360
<v Speaker 3>I was on there with my sister as her the

0:51:02.400 --> 0:51:04.719
<v Speaker 3>first episode of her first episode.

0:51:04.960 --> 0:51:07.360
<v Speaker 4>I loved it. Oh my god, your sister's.

0:51:07.000 --> 0:51:09.880
<v Speaker 1>The Okay, we have one more state. We have time

0:51:09.920 --> 0:51:10.719
<v Speaker 1>for the last one.

0:51:10.840 --> 0:51:12.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Should we take a quick break and we'll come

0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:13.160
<v Speaker 2>back for our last college.

0:51:13.160 --> 0:51:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Sure, we'll take a quick break. We're back.

0:51:19.120 --> 0:51:19.760
<v Speaker 2>We're back.

0:51:22.000 --> 0:51:26.839
<v Speaker 5>Julia is calling in from the woods somewhere, so I'll

0:51:26.840 --> 0:51:28.799
<v Speaker 5>give you the quick and dirty. She really needs some

0:51:28.880 --> 0:51:29.920
<v Speaker 5>unbiased advice.

0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:32.040
<v Speaker 2>She's got a couple of kids, I believe.

0:51:31.760 --> 0:51:35.720
<v Speaker 5>Around seven and nine, and they live near a city

0:51:36.040 --> 0:51:40.440
<v Speaker 5>in Canada, but they're really thinking about moving up north,

0:51:40.600 --> 0:51:42.719
<v Speaker 5>kind of in the middle of nowhere, get out in

0:51:42.719 --> 0:51:43.960
<v Speaker 5>the country.

0:51:43.600 --> 0:51:45.319
<v Speaker 2>Raise their kids, be a little more rural.

0:51:46.160 --> 0:51:49.040
<v Speaker 5>Yeah so, but she's truly torn because her mom and

0:51:49.120 --> 0:51:51.600
<v Speaker 5>other family and friends are in the area that she

0:51:51.640 --> 0:51:53.719
<v Speaker 5>currently lives in, and she thinks her mom is going

0:51:53.800 --> 0:51:56.759
<v Speaker 5>to be really totally devastated if they were to move.

0:51:57.320 --> 0:51:59.600
<v Speaker 5>She says, please, Chelsea, don't say if you're asking you

0:51:59.640 --> 0:52:01.880
<v Speaker 5>already the answer like you do a lot, because I

0:52:02.000 --> 0:52:04.239
<v Speaker 5>truly don't know what to do and feel split down

0:52:04.280 --> 0:52:06.680
<v Speaker 5>the middle. So she's calling us from a cabin in

0:52:06.680 --> 0:52:08.680
<v Speaker 5>the woods, but not the one they may be moving to.

0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:13.640
<v Speaker 1>Hi Hi Jilli, Hi, Hi are you inca?

0:52:14.640 --> 0:52:16.480
<v Speaker 8>Oh my god, I'm so close.

0:52:16.840 --> 0:52:20.040
<v Speaker 9>Yes, I'm not right there, but we passed through it

0:52:20.040 --> 0:52:21.120
<v Speaker 9>actually to go where we are.

0:52:21.520 --> 0:52:24.280
<v Speaker 4>I grew up in Muskoke. I grew up going every summer.

0:52:24.800 --> 0:52:26.480
<v Speaker 8>Oh my god, your parents still go there.

0:52:27.040 --> 0:52:30.400
<v Speaker 4>No, No, we sold the house and everything.

0:52:30.440 --> 0:52:32.680
<v Speaker 9>But yeah, you guys are like the talk of the

0:52:32.719 --> 0:52:33.520
<v Speaker 9>town up here.

0:52:33.719 --> 0:52:39.000
<v Speaker 4>It's the most beautiful country. Honestly, it's just the best.

0:52:39.160 --> 0:52:41.160
<v Speaker 4>I miss it so much, so I know why you

0:52:41.200 --> 0:52:41.759
<v Speaker 4>want to move.

0:52:42.600 --> 0:52:43.160
<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

0:52:43.239 --> 0:52:45.920
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, it's tricky because it is so beautiful and you

0:52:46.000 --> 0:52:49.640
<v Speaker 9>see the value of living like that and raising kids

0:52:49.640 --> 0:52:51.880
<v Speaker 9>in that environment, right, Yeah, Like I get that, but

0:52:52.239 --> 0:52:54.560
<v Speaker 9>there's so many other factors that it makes it hurt.

0:52:54.560 --> 0:52:55.760
<v Speaker 8>It's harder than it seems.

0:52:56.040 --> 0:52:58.880
<v Speaker 4>How long is the drive? Are you like two hours

0:52:58.960 --> 0:53:00.200
<v Speaker 4>or you long? It would be No.

0:53:00.920 --> 0:53:03.680
<v Speaker 9>We are just north of Toronto, so we are about

0:53:03.760 --> 0:53:06.680
<v Speaker 9>four We're past from Scoco. We're actually on Manitulin Island,

0:53:06.760 --> 0:53:08.960
<v Speaker 9>so it's like four or five hours.

0:53:09.280 --> 0:53:12.239
<v Speaker 4>Okay, So it's a long it's a long drive, yeah.

0:53:11.960 --> 0:53:15.160
<v Speaker 3>But it's not yeah, like it's not like undoable. I

0:53:15.160 --> 0:53:17.080
<v Speaker 3>mean four or five hours. People do that on the

0:53:17.080 --> 0:53:18.120
<v Speaker 3>weekends all the time.

0:53:18.200 --> 0:53:19.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know.

0:53:19.719 --> 0:53:22.200
<v Speaker 9>I think that's the thing is I'm so conflicted with like,

0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:23.839
<v Speaker 9>it's not a big deal. It's not like we're moving

0:53:23.880 --> 0:53:26.040
<v Speaker 9>to the other side of the world. But some people

0:53:26.080 --> 0:53:28.439
<v Speaker 9>will respond in that way as if we are moving

0:53:28.440 --> 0:53:29.040
<v Speaker 9>to the other side of it.

0:53:29.239 --> 0:53:31.280
<v Speaker 3>But this is your fucking life. What are you doing.

0:53:31.400 --> 0:53:33.680
<v Speaker 3>You can't let other people direct what you're gonna do.

0:53:33.960 --> 0:53:37.120
<v Speaker 3>You're not moving to another country, You're moving five hours away.

0:53:37.160 --> 0:53:39.120
<v Speaker 3>And while that might be a hard pill to swallow

0:53:39.400 --> 0:53:42.840
<v Speaker 3>in the beginning, everyone will adjust that this is not

0:53:42.920 --> 0:53:44.040
<v Speaker 3>a breakup.

0:53:43.800 --> 0:53:45.759
<v Speaker 4>And you know, but I have the same issue. Can

0:53:45.800 --> 0:53:48.680
<v Speaker 4>I just like totally relate to this because I live

0:53:49.239 --> 0:53:53.400
<v Speaker 4>seven blocks from my mom, My brother is two minutes

0:53:54.400 --> 0:53:57.000
<v Speaker 4>literally literally two minutes down the street. My other brother

0:53:57.120 --> 0:53:59.520
<v Speaker 4>is eight, and I'm always like, I don't want to

0:53:59.520 --> 0:54:03.239
<v Speaker 4>live in Last Angelus. I don't LA doesn't move me,

0:54:03.719 --> 0:54:07.719
<v Speaker 4>and I can't move. I'm like, I would be it

0:54:07.760 --> 0:54:10.560
<v Speaker 4>would be devastating to all of us if want, like

0:54:10.640 --> 0:54:13.880
<v Speaker 4>we have to move as this pack and if I don't,

0:54:13.960 --> 0:54:17.319
<v Speaker 4>then like you're like something's wrong with you.

0:54:17.520 --> 0:54:20.680
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, oh, my god, you are literally describing the dynamic

0:54:20.840 --> 0:54:25.200
<v Speaker 9>of the whole situation because while like I understand it,

0:54:25.239 --> 0:54:26.680
<v Speaker 9>and I could see it, and I probably like we

0:54:26.680 --> 0:54:28.960
<v Speaker 9>could find somewhere that's like comfortable with both of us,

0:54:28.960 --> 0:54:30.360
<v Speaker 9>Like I don't want to be too rural out in

0:54:30.400 --> 0:54:32.840
<v Speaker 9>the hicks, but like somewhere kind of middle ground that

0:54:32.840 --> 0:54:35.000
<v Speaker 9>we're all happy with, and it's like good for our

0:54:35.080 --> 0:54:38.640
<v Speaker 9>kids and stuff. But my mom will lose her mind

0:54:38.680 --> 0:54:42.640
<v Speaker 9>because these are her only grandkids and that's her livelihood.

0:54:42.680 --> 0:54:44.400
<v Speaker 9>Her whole life revolves around my kids.

0:54:44.800 --> 0:54:47.560
<v Speaker 1>And so with you, yeah, she.

0:54:47.480 --> 0:54:49.480
<v Speaker 8>Will never move up here. No, she will never move

0:54:49.560 --> 0:54:49.839
<v Speaker 8>up here.

0:54:50.239 --> 0:54:52.320
<v Speaker 9>And like she hates driving, like if it's like literally

0:54:52.360 --> 0:54:54.200
<v Speaker 9>like if there's a if it snows, she won't drive.

0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:55.960
<v Speaker 9>If it rains, she won't drive. If it's nighttime, she

0:54:55.960 --> 0:54:58.920
<v Speaker 9>won't drive, Like she so it's so hard for her

0:54:58.960 --> 0:55:01.440
<v Speaker 9>to like for appl well, I'm four.

0:55:01.239 --> 0:55:04.520
<v Speaker 4>And a half hours in northern Toronto in the winter is.

0:55:04.840 --> 0:55:06.360
<v Speaker 8>Brutal, it's brutal.

0:55:06.440 --> 0:55:07.960
<v Speaker 9>So it's like I'd have to like go and pick

0:55:08.000 --> 0:55:09.840
<v Speaker 9>her up and bring her back, like she's retired, so

0:55:09.880 --> 0:55:11.840
<v Speaker 9>she could stay with us for a long periods of

0:55:11.840 --> 0:55:14.279
<v Speaker 9>time and have nice visits and stuff, but I just

0:55:14.360 --> 0:55:16.840
<v Speaker 9>know that, like having that conversation will be a disaster.

0:55:16.960 --> 0:55:21.279
<v Speaker 9>It'll be like devastating her and you're leaving me and

0:55:21.360 --> 0:55:21.719
<v Speaker 9>all this.

0:55:21.680 --> 0:55:25.239
<v Speaker 8>Stuff, and she's sixty seven, like she's still young.

0:55:25.840 --> 0:55:27.200
<v Speaker 4>Well why don't you do it for a couple of

0:55:27.239 --> 0:55:28.560
<v Speaker 4>years and see what happens?

0:55:28.880 --> 0:55:31.439
<v Speaker 9>I guess yeah, because my husband's I feel like once

0:55:31.480 --> 0:55:33.319
<v Speaker 9>we go, we're never going to come back though, because

0:55:33.360 --> 0:55:35.520
<v Speaker 9>my husband loves it up here and he's like, I'm

0:55:35.560 --> 0:55:36.520
<v Speaker 9>sick of overliving.

0:55:36.840 --> 0:55:39.239
<v Speaker 8>I hate it. I've sacrificed and lived there for you.

0:55:39.280 --> 0:55:42.719
<v Speaker 9>Like we've done this, now, let's have another chapter, let's

0:55:43.000 --> 0:55:45.520
<v Speaker 9>try something new. And part of me is like, am

0:55:45.560 --> 0:55:47.359
<v Speaker 9>I making a big deal my being a spoiled brat

0:55:47.400 --> 0:55:48.640
<v Speaker 9>and just like not want to do it because I

0:55:48.640 --> 0:55:50.520
<v Speaker 9>don't like change? Or should I just suck it up

0:55:50.560 --> 0:55:52.360
<v Speaker 9>and do it? Or is it my gut telling me

0:55:52.400 --> 0:55:54.000
<v Speaker 9>not to do it? Like I have so many and

0:55:54.080 --> 0:55:56.319
<v Speaker 9>like friends are like you can't leave your mother, and like, yes,

0:55:56.360 --> 0:55:59.040
<v Speaker 9>you should move, Like I'm so conflicted that I literally

0:55:59.080 --> 0:56:02.239
<v Speaker 9>don't got a standstill because I don't know what to do.

0:56:03.880 --> 0:56:06.120
<v Speaker 3>I honestly, I really think you have to just go

0:56:06.200 --> 0:56:07.920
<v Speaker 3>do what's right for you and your family, And I

0:56:07.920 --> 0:56:10.120
<v Speaker 3>think your mother will adjust and the conversation will be

0:56:10.200 --> 0:56:12.799
<v Speaker 3>very difficult initially, but I think you'll be surprised by

0:56:12.800 --> 0:56:15.759
<v Speaker 3>how quickly she turns around and starts driving long distances

0:56:16.200 --> 0:56:19.279
<v Speaker 3>and starts spending more time with you and contemplates even

0:56:19.320 --> 0:56:21.799
<v Speaker 3>you know, spending maybe months at a time with you.

0:56:22.239 --> 0:56:25.560
<v Speaker 3>Like it's just the conversation that's scaring the shit out

0:56:25.600 --> 0:56:27.239
<v Speaker 3>of you because you know what her reaction is going

0:56:27.320 --> 0:56:30.680
<v Speaker 3>to be. But the sooner you have that conversation, the

0:56:30.760 --> 0:56:32.520
<v Speaker 3>sooner she's gonna get used to the idea.

0:56:33.719 --> 0:56:35.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's exactly right.

0:56:35.680 --> 0:56:38.000
<v Speaker 5>Like floating the idea out before you're like, this is

0:56:38.040 --> 0:56:40.840
<v Speaker 5>what we're doing and when it's happening could be really helpful.

0:56:41.040 --> 0:56:41.279
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:56:42.080 --> 0:56:44.880
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, Yeah, we like we've sort of like danced around it,

0:56:44.920 --> 0:56:46.840
<v Speaker 9>but I can tell it's like not gonna go smoothly,

0:56:46.880 --> 0:56:47.920
<v Speaker 9>so we just like leave it.

0:56:48.400 --> 0:56:50.360
<v Speaker 3>But that's not a reason to not do it. And

0:56:50.440 --> 0:56:53.200
<v Speaker 3>also you can set up like, hey, this is this

0:56:53.239 --> 0:56:56.040
<v Speaker 3>is our plan. We're going to come back every whatever

0:56:56.200 --> 0:56:58.440
<v Speaker 3>once a month and spend the weekend with you.

0:56:58.440 --> 0:57:01.040
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna come, We're gonna come get you. For a week,

0:57:01.080 --> 0:57:02.040
<v Speaker 1>a month or whatever.

0:57:02.080 --> 0:57:04.680
<v Speaker 3>The schedule is, Like lay that out so that you

0:57:04.680 --> 0:57:07.960
<v Speaker 3>know there's comfort in that and there's like some consistency

0:57:08.000 --> 0:57:10.080
<v Speaker 3>and a schedule that's being set.

0:57:10.440 --> 0:57:12.759
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, yeah, for sure. I think that's the thing, is

0:57:12.800 --> 0:57:13.920
<v Speaker 9>just giving her that comfort.

0:57:13.960 --> 0:57:16.400
<v Speaker 1>But and frame it that it is temporary.

0:57:16.720 --> 0:57:18.880
<v Speaker 3>Just say that for everyone's sake, Just say we're just

0:57:18.920 --> 0:57:20.960
<v Speaker 3>gonna try this for a couple of years so that

0:57:21.080 --> 0:57:23.120
<v Speaker 3>everyone can warm up to the idea. Because that way,

0:57:23.120 --> 0:57:25.400
<v Speaker 3>if you do end up staying by that time, everyone's

0:57:25.400 --> 0:57:26.120
<v Speaker 3>going to be over it.

0:57:26.160 --> 0:57:26.600
<v Speaker 1>Anyway.

0:57:26.880 --> 0:57:30.640
<v Speaker 3>Families are resilient and they rebound from the trauma and

0:57:30.680 --> 0:57:32.480
<v Speaker 3>they come back to you. You know, if you're a

0:57:32.480 --> 0:57:34.560
<v Speaker 3>close knit family, no one's going anywhere anyway.

0:57:34.960 --> 0:57:38.920
<v Speaker 4>It's kind of true. My brother moved to Colorado for

0:57:38.960 --> 0:57:42.680
<v Speaker 4>two years and we were all like, are you serious,

0:57:42.760 --> 0:57:45.520
<v Speaker 4>Like this is It was devastating to all of us,

0:57:45.520 --> 0:57:47.760
<v Speaker 4>and before we knew it, he was back and everything

0:57:47.840 --> 0:57:49.520
<v Speaker 4>was It's fine.

0:57:49.640 --> 0:57:49.920
<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

0:57:50.040 --> 0:57:52.120
<v Speaker 9>I think it's almost just like the anxiety is like

0:57:52.680 --> 0:57:54.680
<v Speaker 9>before it even happens, you have more anxiety than you

0:57:54.680 --> 0:57:55.200
<v Speaker 9>even need to do.

0:57:55.600 --> 0:57:56.440
<v Speaker 1>That's what you're doing.

0:57:56.920 --> 0:57:58.040
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, do you.

0:57:58.080 --> 0:58:00.160
<v Speaker 4>Want to move? Do you want to move? Or that

0:58:00.240 --> 0:58:01.480
<v Speaker 4>more your husband.

0:58:01.920 --> 0:58:04.880
<v Speaker 9>It's like if he said tomorrow, like no, never mind,

0:58:04.960 --> 0:58:07.040
<v Speaker 9>let's just cancel everything and stay. I'd be happy where

0:58:07.080 --> 0:58:09.800
<v Speaker 9>we are, Like it's a lovely community. It's a beautiful,

0:58:09.800 --> 0:58:12.400
<v Speaker 9>small little communit Like it's a beautiful area where we

0:58:12.440 --> 0:58:15.200
<v Speaker 9>live now. So I'm we're happy there. But he's like,

0:58:15.440 --> 0:58:17.600
<v Speaker 9>I think we can do more. We can like his

0:58:17.680 --> 0:58:20.160
<v Speaker 9>business could do well here. I can work remote, I

0:58:20.200 --> 0:58:24.000
<v Speaker 9>work from wherever, so we have that like flexibility and

0:58:24.040 --> 0:58:26.280
<v Speaker 9>it's just like it's beautiful up here. So he's just like,

0:58:26.360 --> 0:58:29.640
<v Speaker 9>this is why what are we doing? Like what we're

0:58:29.960 --> 0:58:32.240
<v Speaker 9>we're in the early forties, Let's do something else that'll

0:58:32.240 --> 0:58:32.800
<v Speaker 9>be what the hell?

0:58:33.520 --> 0:58:33.680
<v Speaker 4>Right?

0:58:33.760 --> 0:58:34.920
<v Speaker 8>So and I totally see it.

0:58:35.000 --> 0:58:38.680
<v Speaker 9>It's like more, more money, more opportunities, better lifestyle.

0:58:39.440 --> 0:58:41.200
<v Speaker 8>I see all the pros.

0:58:41.320 --> 0:58:43.600
<v Speaker 9>But then I'm just like I just keep pulling myself

0:58:43.600 --> 0:58:45.680
<v Speaker 9>back to like I hate change, and like part of

0:58:45.680 --> 0:58:47.800
<v Speaker 9>me is like can I mentally go through a big

0:58:47.840 --> 0:58:49.680
<v Speaker 9>move and like rerip my kids out of the school

0:58:49.720 --> 0:58:52.200
<v Speaker 9>and like start over and leave all our friends, And

0:58:52.240 --> 0:58:54.000
<v Speaker 9>part of me is like can I even handle that?

0:58:54.040 --> 0:58:54.920
<v Speaker 8>Because that scares me.

0:58:55.040 --> 0:58:56.800
<v Speaker 9>It's not even just like my mom and stuff it's

0:58:56.840 --> 0:58:59.040
<v Speaker 9>like the scary I don't like change.

0:58:59.320 --> 0:59:01.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but you can handle it and you will handle

0:59:01.840 --> 0:59:03.880
<v Speaker 3>it if that's what you choose to do, and you

0:59:03.920 --> 0:59:06.160
<v Speaker 3>can handle it. And this is a difficult conversation, and

0:59:06.200 --> 0:59:08.480
<v Speaker 3>this is what adulthood is about, is about having difficult

0:59:08.480 --> 0:59:10.960
<v Speaker 3>moments with people we love when sometimes you have to

0:59:11.000 --> 0:59:12.320
<v Speaker 3>like give somebody bad news.

0:59:12.560 --> 0:59:14.240
<v Speaker 1>So it's like a testament.

0:59:13.760 --> 0:59:16.040
<v Speaker 3>To your like, you know, enduring strength as a woman,

0:59:16.120 --> 0:59:18.440
<v Speaker 3>and it's empowering. So I think you should look at

0:59:18.440 --> 0:59:21.080
<v Speaker 3>it from that, like you're taking a stance for your

0:59:21.080 --> 0:59:23.240
<v Speaker 3>family and you're doing what's right for your family for

0:59:23.280 --> 0:59:26.120
<v Speaker 3>this period of time. And that doesn't mean anyone's going

0:59:26.200 --> 0:59:28.640
<v Speaker 3>to be excommunicated. You're all just going to adjust to

0:59:28.680 --> 0:59:31.280
<v Speaker 3>it together. And if that's you know, if you really

0:59:31.320 --> 0:59:32.920
<v Speaker 3>feel this way, and I think you should go. I

0:59:32.920 --> 0:59:35.440
<v Speaker 3>think the way Kate described it, the way you're describing it,

0:59:35.440 --> 0:59:37.840
<v Speaker 3>it just sounds beautiful and why not have an adventure?

0:59:38.560 --> 0:59:40.360
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, no, it is. And I think that's the thing.

0:59:40.400 --> 0:59:42.280
<v Speaker 9>It's like, deep down, I have that little voice like

0:59:42.320 --> 0:59:44.280
<v Speaker 9>when we come up here, it's like, oh, it is

0:59:44.320 --> 0:59:46.840
<v Speaker 9>so gorgeous, and it's like, but I'm so scared, right,

0:59:46.920 --> 0:59:47.919
<v Speaker 9>Like I just don't like change.

0:59:48.400 --> 0:59:51.720
<v Speaker 4>They also say that when you do things like that,

0:59:51.960 --> 0:59:56.320
<v Speaker 4>you just you live longer. Yeah, they say when you change,

0:59:56.360 --> 1:00:00.360
<v Speaker 4>when you go into new environments and you have these

1:00:00.400 --> 1:00:05.800
<v Speaker 4>like different experiences, and it's actually like it literally rejuvenates yourselves.

1:00:06.080 --> 1:00:07.040
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I could see that.

1:00:07.120 --> 1:00:09.720
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, it makes Yeah, I think I just don't like

1:00:09.720 --> 1:00:12.160
<v Speaker 9>being out of my comfort zone. And I just I

1:00:12.160 --> 1:00:14.480
<v Speaker 9>think it'd be good though, It'll be a growth experience

1:00:14.520 --> 1:00:15.280
<v Speaker 9>for everything.

1:00:15.360 --> 1:00:16.720
<v Speaker 8>Right, So, just well you're.

1:00:16.600 --> 1:00:19.560
<v Speaker 4>Saying it, if you're if this is about you and anxiety,

1:00:19.640 --> 1:00:22.880
<v Speaker 4>then you need to go Yeah you know what I mean,

1:00:22.960 --> 1:00:25.240
<v Speaker 4>You need to like be more fearless.

1:00:24.920 --> 1:00:26.880
<v Speaker 8>And just yeah, I know, I think that's what it is.

1:00:26.920 --> 1:00:28.840
<v Speaker 9>It's just like you're in your comfort zone with like

1:00:28.880 --> 1:00:31.360
<v Speaker 9>your family and your kids in schools and everything, and

1:00:31.400 --> 1:00:34.240
<v Speaker 9>it's just scary to like start over and just move

1:00:34.280 --> 1:00:37.200
<v Speaker 9>somewhere where it's brand new. Everything's brand new and scary.

1:00:37.360 --> 1:00:37.560
<v Speaker 8>Right.

1:00:37.640 --> 1:00:41.120
<v Speaker 9>So but anyways, now everything you're saying, it's like I think,

1:00:41.120 --> 1:00:43.720
<v Speaker 9>deep down I know all that, and it's just hard

1:00:43.760 --> 1:00:45.280
<v Speaker 9>to like come to terms with it.

1:00:46.000 --> 1:00:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, this is the kick in your ass that you're

1:00:47.600 --> 1:00:48.080
<v Speaker 1>looking for.

1:00:48.200 --> 1:00:50.320
<v Speaker 8>Okay, Yeah, Chelsey and I.

1:00:50.320 --> 1:00:52.320
<v Speaker 4>We're really like the wrong people to say, because we

1:00:52.360 --> 1:00:55.120
<v Speaker 4>literally live on the road all we do. It's we're

1:00:55.120 --> 1:00:56.120
<v Speaker 4>like circus, folks.

1:00:56.560 --> 1:00:57.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to live.

1:00:57.600 --> 1:00:59.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to live till one hundred and fifty for

1:00:59.440 --> 1:01:04.800
<v Speaker 3>all the new ironments I'm exposed to. Yeah, yeah, good

1:01:04.880 --> 1:01:06.920
<v Speaker 3>luck to you and let us know what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, keep in touch with us.

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<v Speaker 2>Send us a postcard from up north.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, bias to meet you.

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<v Speaker 8>Thanks so much meeting you. This was awesome. Thank you

1:01:15.600 --> 1:01:16.000
<v Speaker 8>so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye Julia, Bye, Hey, how did you know?

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly where did you go?

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<v Speaker 1>That was so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>They even say Canada like.

1:01:25.080 --> 1:01:28.760
<v Speaker 4>Scoca, Well, the Lake Country when she said up north,

1:01:28.920 --> 1:01:33.560
<v Speaker 4>like that's what we call from Toronto. All Lake Country

1:01:33.960 --> 1:01:38.080
<v Speaker 4>and Muskoka is like kind of the biggest sort of Algonquin.

1:01:39.160 --> 1:01:43.200
<v Speaker 4>It's honestly, guys, it's like heaven up there. It's the

1:01:43.240 --> 1:01:46.000
<v Speaker 4>most beautiful place in the world to me.

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<v Speaker 3>That's where I'm going to buy a bunch of acres

1:01:47.720 --> 1:01:49.760
<v Speaker 3>for global warming is Northern Canada.

1:01:49.840 --> 1:01:51.720
<v Speaker 1>That seems to be the safest place to do it.

1:01:51.720 --> 1:01:53.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna buy one hundred acres and then tell anybody

1:01:53.600 --> 1:01:55.919
<v Speaker 3>that they want that they can just come build and.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep about fifty feet in between dwellings.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I'll show you where to go.

1:02:01.320 --> 1:02:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah you will. You're a climatologist, you'll know where to go.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh huh, that's right, Kate.

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<v Speaker 3>This was so much fun. Thank you so much for

1:02:08.360 --> 1:02:10.320
<v Speaker 3>being with us today. I love you. You know how

1:02:10.400 --> 1:02:11.120
<v Speaker 3>much I love you.

1:02:11.520 --> 1:02:13.360
<v Speaker 4>I love you so much, and you.

1:02:13.320 --> 1:02:15.439
<v Speaker 1>Gave great fucking advice on top of it.

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<v Speaker 8>I did you did?

1:02:17.480 --> 1:02:20.400
<v Speaker 4>I could talk to it. I could talk forever on

1:02:20.440 --> 1:02:20.760
<v Speaker 4>this stub.

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<v Speaker 8>Do you how do you even think goodbye?

1:02:22.880 --> 1:02:24.600
<v Speaker 4>I could like literally talk to you for an hour.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you contributed so thank you and I will see

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<v Speaker 3>you soon.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks for having me, Love you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks, love you, Thanks Kate, Bye bye. Okay, guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, I have added more second shows to my Little

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<v Speaker 3>Big Bitch tour. I added second shows in Hollywood at

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<v Speaker 3>the Pantages.

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<v Speaker 1>I am going to be there two.

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<v Speaker 3>Nights October twelfth and thirteenth. I added another show at

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<v Speaker 3>the Chicago Theater October twenty seventh and October twenty eighth,

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<v Speaker 3>one of my favorite places to perform. I added another

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<v Speaker 3>show in Portland, so I'll be there November se second

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<v Speaker 3>and third. And I added a second show in Boston

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<v Speaker 3>at the Weighing Center, so I will be their November

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<v Speaker 3>sixteenth and seventeenth. I also have two shows in Seattle,

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<v Speaker 3>San Francisco, New York at the Beacon and Washington, d C.

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<v Speaker 3>I will be there October fifth and sixth, and a

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<v Speaker 3>special shout out to Phoenix, Arizona, where I'm coming Saturday,

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<v Speaker 3>October fourteenth, and then I'm coming to Cleveland Columbus in Pittsburgh,

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<v Speaker 3>so suck on that, you guys. I can't wait to

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<v Speaker 3>see everybody. Oh and I'm coming to Eugene, Oregon too, everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>That's November ninth, twenty twenty three, and I will be

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<v Speaker 3>at the Clubhouse in East Hampton, which is going to

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<v Speaker 3>be a very intimate show on Saturday, August twenty sixth,

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<v Speaker 3>So if you are in the Long Island area, that's

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<v Speaker 3>where I'll be the Clubhouse.

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