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Speaker 2: of The Clay Travis en Buck Sexton Show. I am

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Speaker 2: in a great mood today, Clay, because I am finally

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Speaker 1: It's not that she's the most important, It's just that

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Speaker 3: You came off and you gave me a big hello

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Speaker 3: this morning.

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Speaker 2: Saw my beautiful wife, Carrie, my door baby, and I'm

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Speaker 3: Also, some really good news for the whole world.

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Speaker 2: The truce goes into effect between Israel and Hamas, So

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Speaker 2: that's great news. And President Trump deserved so much credit

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Speaker 2: But let me tell you what else you need to know.

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Speaker 2: For the show today, we have Jason Miaris, the Attorney

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Speaker 2: We are going to take you right into this. Alison

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Speaker 2: spam Berger span Berger whatever abig I said, Abigail didn't

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Speaker 2: I actually didn't mean to do that, but it's the same.

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Speaker 1: The point nobody knows that Berger is her last name.

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Speaker 1: You got that part right, I got that part right.

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Speaker 1: The whole thing is, who are you voting for? Anas

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Speaker 1: Nobody really knows, and that's the whole game. Well, they

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Speaker 1: you and I am looking forward to it. Also, our

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Speaker 1: friend Jack Carr, former Navy seal, author of the Terminal

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Speaker 2: He's got the series on Amazon right now, Black Wolf.

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Speaker 2: It's awesome, it's doing great stuff. It's actually worth watching

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Speaker 3: So we'll talk to him. But Clay, oh my. Right

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Speaker 2: The show yesterday, the news came out that New York

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Speaker 2: State's Attorney General, Leticia James has been indicted for mortgage fraud.

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Speaker 4: This is nothing more than a continuation of the President's

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Speaker 1: But either the elites and that includes prosecutors, live under

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Speaker 4: The president of these United States is not above the laws.

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Speaker 2: Remember she brought effectively mortgage fraud charges against now civilly.

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Speaker 2: But to bankrupt hundreds of million of dollars worth of

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Speaker 3: There was no problem here. What are you taught?

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Speaker 2: And her valuations for properties were absurd. I mean to

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Speaker 2: Prosecutors should not be saying things like that, Okay, correct,

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Speaker 1: You can't prosecute cases that are similar to the ones

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Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you. We are joined now by the

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I gotta admit, as Attorney general, your job,

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Speaker 6: I mean, Jennifer Gilbert would come to the Assembly. Jennifer

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Speaker 2: Well, mister me, attorney general, we are as I got

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Speaker 6: Well, it's clear, it's clear that's where we are now.

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Speaker 6: And just to remind people that uh Abigail Stamberger had

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Speaker 7: In their head. And when he's texted by his.

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Speaker 7: We don't.

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Speaker 6: We don't settle our differences with bullets. We settlement the

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Speaker 6: ballot box. And that's the sign of a vibrant democracy.

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Speaker 6: And so it's a I do think this, this election

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Speaker 6: now in Virginian is not about right versus left. It's

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Speaker 6: about right versus wrong. It's about a basic standard of decency.

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Speaker 6: And candidly, it's just nationwide, what is the signal, uh

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Speaker 6: that can you say anything you want about your opposition,

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Speaker 6: even even saying you help violence against their family, and

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Speaker 6: they're not be a political price. And I think I

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Speaker 6: trust Virginians are going to get it right. But I

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Speaker 6: think the stake's here for the larger nation is a

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Speaker 6: sobering one.

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Speaker 1: Let me hit you with some of those quotes you

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Speaker 1: mentioned them at a little bit. I am reading from

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Speaker 1: the New York Times, which actually managed to cover it today.

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Speaker 1: At one point, Jay Jones, as you said, remarked that

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Speaker 1: he would quote piss on the graves of Republican delegates

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Speaker 1: when they died. He went on to say that if

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Speaker 1: he had two bullets in a gun and his choice

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Speaker 1: was to shoot Adolph Hitler, the former Cambodian dictator Polpot

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Speaker 1: or Virginia House Speaker Todd Gilbert, a Republican, that he

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Speaker 1: would shoot mister Gilbert twice, and he said, spoiler, put

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Speaker 1: Gilbert and the crew with the two worst people you know,

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Speaker 1: and he receives both bullets every time. He also said

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Speaker 1: that he hoped that Jennifer Gilbert's children would die, and

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Speaker 1: he didn't back down. He said, yes, I've told you

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Speaker 1: this before. Only when people feel pain personally do they

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Speaker 1: move on policies. He then said, I mean, do I

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Speaker 1: think Todd who was the Speaker of the House, and

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Speaker 1: Jennifer his wife are evil and that they're breeding little

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Speaker 1: fascist Yes, I mean this is vile, vile things that

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Speaker 1: Jay Jones is saying. So are you surprised? You mentioned

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Speaker 1: that there are some Democrats out of the state that

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Speaker 1: are saying even Kentucky Governor Andy Basheer said, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: would have trouble voting for Jay Jones. He's the Democrat

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Speaker 1: governor of Kentucky. Are you surprised that Virginians in the

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Speaker 1: Democrat Party so far are staying rock ribbed behind Jay

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Speaker 1: Jones given what he did? Would we know that?

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Speaker 7: He said, yeah, I mean I am surprised.

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Speaker 6: I'm Kim William very surprised. But I do think that

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Speaker 6: there has been a disconnect between the leadership and where

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Speaker 6: everyday Virginians are. Obviously, it's something I am hearing about

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Speaker 6: constantly when I am out talking to individuals. But think

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Speaker 6: about this as well. What this also tells me that

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Speaker 6: about my opponent is that he's never actually met with

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Speaker 6: real mothers that have actually lost.

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Speaker 7: Their children's to violence. I have.

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Speaker 6: I have met the mom's of murdered victims, and I

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Speaker 6: can tell you that right now, there is no cry

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Speaker 6: like the cry of a mother that has lost her child.

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Speaker 6: There's nothing like it.

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Speaker 7: It is.

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Speaker 6: It is soul searing, and once you've actually experienced that,

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Speaker 6: you can't even imagine that on your on anybody, you know,

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Speaker 6: even if they're your political enemy.

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Speaker 7: But it just shows that he is as he's not.

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Speaker 6: Prepared, he's obviously reckless with his judgment, and he has

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Speaker 6: a worldview that is completely incompatible with this office, period.

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Speaker 6: And don't forget it also has come out that he

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Speaker 6: apparently told another colleague that as far as police violence,

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Speaker 6: that he said, if you could get rid of qualified

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Speaker 6: immunity to sue police personally, and maybe if some cops died,

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Speaker 6: and actually they would change their behavior. And so you've

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Speaker 6: seen the Fraternal Order Police and a host of other

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Speaker 6: law enforcement organizations also have come out. You had a

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Speaker 6: group of sheriffs and commonwealth attorneys in Virginia say that

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Speaker 6: he should not stay in the race. So you've seen

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Speaker 6: law enforcement has come out quite forcibly saying we don't

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Speaker 6: want him to be the top prosecutor in the states, period.

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Speaker 6: And so you have seen, I think of, not surprisingly,

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Speaker 6: an enormous amount of courage from our law enforcement heroes

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Speaker 6: that have come out quite fortunately, a lot of which

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Speaker 6: are apolitical. The Virginia State Police Association, which normally rarely

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Speaker 6: ever delves into anything slightly political, has come out quite

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Speaker 6: forcilly about these remarks. Because the hardest thing for me

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Speaker 6: is attending to the end of watch funerals for officers

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Speaker 6: that have died in a line of duty. That is

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Speaker 6: by far the most difficult moment that you ever have

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Speaker 6: as a public official. You realize it's the hardest job

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Speaker 6: in America, and you just sit back and you think,

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Speaker 6: I can't imagine not that I think we'd ever attend,

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Speaker 6: but somebody who actually has wished, because when you talk

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Speaker 6: to these family members and then they talk about the

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Speaker 6: job and the burden of the badge and what it

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Speaker 6: means to carry the shield every day. And earlier this year,

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Speaker 6: I attended the End of Watch with offser Cameron gerbin

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Speaker 6: Ostar Christopher Reef. They died February twenty second of this year,

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Speaker 6: two officers in Virginia Beach gunned down in the line

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Speaker 6: of duty. You know, you talk to those famili you know,

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Speaker 6: Cameron left behind the wife who had just found out

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Speaker 6: she was pregnant with a baby girl. I mean, you

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Speaker 6: get those stories. You meet these law enforcement guardians and

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Speaker 6: you realize what Jay Jones has said, this worldview of

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Speaker 6: violence that gets individuals to advance agendas. So outside of

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Speaker 6: the normal frameworks, I think he's disqualified himself from the job.

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Speaker 2: Pretty gentlemen, are as could you just tell everybody with

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Speaker 2: the couple of minutes we have left. What have you

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Speaker 2: done as attorney general that has had real impact that

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Speaker 2: you're proud of, that has shown the kind of law

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Speaker 2: enforcement focus in there. I love Virginia. It's a state

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Speaker 2: that it's like a top five in terms of time

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Speaker 2: spent state. For me, I would say, so, I have

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Speaker 2: family in Charlottesville. I'm very, very fond of Virginia. Tell

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Speaker 2: everybody what you've been doing in your state.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, listen.

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Speaker 6: When I came in the office, the Virginia had a murderated,

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Speaker 6: a twenty year high, violent crime rated a thirty year high,

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Speaker 6: the high level of addiction desk ever recorded. And I

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Speaker 6: had this novel Idea Clay. I said, I'm going to

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Speaker 6: work with law enforcement, not work against them. We also

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Speaker 6: saw that we had unacceptable violence. Our murder rate was

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Speaker 6: driven by violence in certain areas of the state, certain

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Speaker 6: of our localities. We saw the five percent of felons

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Speaker 6: were committing over fifty percent of the violent felonies. So

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Speaker 6: we went after these repeat violent offenders by a way,

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Speaker 6: a lot of which are in the narcotics trade city

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Speaker 6: of Brono. Cologone, for example, is zero point one to

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Speaker 6: two percent of population of the City of Roanoke. That's

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Speaker 6: one fifth of one percent. We're committing over thirty percent

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Speaker 6: of the homicide. So we went after the small subset

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Speaker 6: of repeat violent offenders. We investigated them, we indicted, we

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Speaker 6: in prosecuted them, and the murder rates dropped dramatically. City

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Speaker 6: of Roanoke sixty two percent drop in our murder rate.

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Speaker 6: We've had a double digit cross drop in our violent

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Speaker 6: frank crime rate our seafire cities. This huge reduction more

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Speaker 6: people are alive today. We prosecuted and got enough vetanyl

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Speaker 6: off the streets that would have killed seven million Virginians.

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Speaker 6: Record settlements against some of the opioid manufacturers that has

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Speaker 6: gone to treatments. So Virginia is not top ten, we're

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Speaker 6: not top five. We are now the number one state

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Speaker 6: in the entire country. And they overall dropping of addiction

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Speaker 6: death from this record high addiction desk to this number

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Speaker 6: one in the country and the drop, huge dropping reduction

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Speaker 6: or a violent crime. I say, as Attorney General and

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Speaker 6: the people's protector, I protect all Virginians, whether they're Republican,

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Speaker 6: Democrat or Independence. We're proud of that record. I've said

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Speaker 6: Virginian safety has been my mission from day one. What

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Speaker 6: I'm asking Virginians to rehire me to continue to do

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Speaker 6: that good work, and definitely don't hire somebody to be

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Speaker 6: the top prosecutor who a has never been a prosecutor

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Speaker 6: again his life. B has a legislative voting record of

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Speaker 6: voting against police and against victims, and c literally is

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Speaker 6: advocated for violence against his political opponents and said he

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Speaker 6: hopes to see their children die. He's simply unfit and

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Speaker 6: disqualified to this office.

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Speaker 2: Turning, gentlemen, Arez appreciate what you've done, sir, and we

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Speaker 2: help you pull this one over the finish line.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much.

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Speaker 2: All right, third hour of play in book, last hour

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Speaker 2: And let's just bring up to speed all the latest

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Speaker 2: news here. Let's dive into it, shall we. First of all,

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Speaker 2: the government shutdown is still a thing. The government is

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Speaker 2: still shut down. And Speaker Johnson, who play while you

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Speaker 2: But he just weighed in earlier today and his take

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Speaker 2: is that Democrats know they're going to have to cave,

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Speaker 2: but first they have to go through the theatrics of

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Speaker 2: perhaps some rallies over this weekend.

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Speaker 3: Here is the Speaker of the House cut thirty hit it.

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Speaker 9: We're so angry about it. I mean, you know, I'm

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Speaker 9: a very patient guy, but I have had it with

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Speaker 9: these people. They're playing games with real people's lives. The

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Speaker 9: theory we have right now. They have a Hate America

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Speaker 9: rally that's scheduled for October eighteenth on the National Mall.

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Speaker 9: It's all the pro Hamas wing and the you know,

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Speaker 9: the Antifa people. They're all coming out. Some of the

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Speaker 9: House Democrats are selling T shirts for the event. And

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Speaker 9: it's being told to us that they won't be able

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Speaker 9: to reopen the government until after that rally because they

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Speaker 9: can't face their rabid base. I mean, this is serious business.

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Speaker 9: Hurting real people, and I just I'm beyond words. I

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Speaker 9: can't believe they're actually doing.

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Speaker 2: This, Democrats putting the politics of the moment ahead of

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Speaker 2: real people's interests.

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Speaker 3: Clay not a surprise here at all.

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Speaker 2: And I think this is the first shutdown I can

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Speaker 2: remember where Democrats are getting rarely the blame from a

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Speaker 2: majority of Americans.

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Speaker 1: I don't think most Americans feel impacted by the shutdown

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Speaker 1: at all. I mean, the Trump Middle East peace agreement

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Speaker 1: and him traveling to the Middle East is going to

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Speaker 1: take over all of the news through the weekend. The

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Speaker 1: release of the hostages, hopefully, which will occur after two

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Speaker 1: years on Monday, will be an unbelievable moment in the

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Speaker 1: Middle East. Even for Trump detractors, that will be an

655
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Speaker 1: event that is very difficult not to imagine it leading

656
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Speaker 1: news all through Monday. I just I feel like Democrats

657
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: are in a tough spot and the reality is it

658
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: seems like Trump's kind of calling their bluff and saying, Okay,

659
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Speaker 1: We're going to start laying off primarily Democrat workers, and

660
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Speaker 1: they cause this, and they don't really seem to have

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Speaker 1: a way to fix it, and I just think it's

662
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Speaker 1: going to drag on for a long time until some

663
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Speaker 1: of these senators in swing states Michigan, New Hampshire, Georgia, Arizona,

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Speaker 1: until they start looking around and recognizing that their constituents

665
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Speaker 1: are not pleased over their decision making. Remember, there's nothing

666
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: going on here. This is unprecedented because the continuing resolution

667
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Speaker 1: would just continue to spend money as has already occurred.

668
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Speaker 1: And I just think they're in a really tough position.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how they get themselves out of this mess.

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Speaker 1: And I think the only reason Chuck Schumer let it

671
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Speaker 1: happen is because he's terrified of AOC and I think

672
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: Hakeem Jefferies is terrified over one of the mom Donnie

673
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: guys who evidently is going to challenge him in his seat.

674
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Speaker 1: And I think radical left wing ideas have taken root,

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Speaker 1: because remember, the leader of the House is a New Yorker,

676
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Speaker 1: the leader of the Senate for Democrats is a New Yorker,

677
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Speaker 1: and the left in New York City has lost its mind.

678
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: They're going to elect a socialist, a communists, it appears,

679
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Speaker 1: and that has taken over the entire Democrat Party. So

680
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Speaker 1: I think this is actually just a local political preservation

681
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Speaker 1: move that Hakeem Jefferies and Schumer are engaged in.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, speaking of the radical left, Clay, the White House

683
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Speaker 2: puts out this on X Make no mistake. ANTIPHA is

684
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Speaker 2: a radical terrorist organization that explicitly calls for the overthrow

685
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Speaker 2: of the US government, law enforcement, and our system of law.

686
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Speaker 2: Under the Trump administration, Antifa's days are over, but noted

687
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Speaker 2: extremism expert Jimmy Kimmel, who still has a TV show, Everybody,

688
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: I guess the.

689
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Speaker 3: First amendments not dead? Oh my gosh, Jimmy Kimmel was

690
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Speaker 3: off the air for two days.

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Speaker 1: Here's Jimmy or was it three days? Whatever it was,

692
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: here's Jimmy Kimmel four days. To be fair, I think

693
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Speaker 1: I don't want MSNBC fact checking you on your lack

694
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Speaker 1: of commitment to the truth and decency.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Clay's Clay's always got my back. Jimmy Kimmel

696
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: lying to his audience about Antifa. This is twenty four

697
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Speaker 2: hit it.

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Speaker 10: You understand, there's no Antifa. This is an entirely imaginary organization.

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Speaker 7: There is not in Antifa.

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Speaker 10: This is no different than if they announced they rounded

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Speaker 10: up a dozen decepticons. We've captured the super Cobra.

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Speaker 2: Everyone, Clay, I've read books about Antifa, I've seen Antifa personally.

703
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: I've never seen the Chupacabra though, so I think that

704
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Speaker 2: Jimmy's analysis here needs a little bit of work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's wrong, And I've seen Antifa too. I remember

706
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Speaker 1: when Antifa really kind of got its start. Remember all

707
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Speaker 1: the World Bank protests that they used to have. I

708
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: don't think they care about the World Bank anymore. But

709
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Speaker 1: my recollection is this is where all of the crazy

710
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Speaker 1: people became crazy for the first time, was related to

711
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Speaker 1: the IMF. Do you remember that when they decided the

712
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Speaker 1: IMF was uniquely evil? And I haven't heard about the

713
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Speaker 1: IMF in a very, very long time, but when I

714
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Speaker 1: was in college, the IMF is right next to George

715
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Speaker 1: Washington University, and they basically rioted in nineteen ninety nine

716
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Speaker 1: or two thousand or whatever it was. I remember walking

717
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: through campus and all these Antifa lunatics running around with

718
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Speaker 1: spray paint cans and throwing throwing Molotov cocktail a little

719
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Speaker 1: bit like it wasn't as if it was the same

720
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Speaker 1: level that we saw during the BLM protest, but lots

721
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Speaker 1: of graffiti, lots of the spray lighting things on fire.

722
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Speaker 1: Remember that back in the day when people used to

723
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Speaker 1: have I don't know what it was, but they would

724
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Speaker 1: spray something and they'd have a lighter and it would

725
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Speaker 1: kind of turn into a blow torch or whatever. Yeah,

726
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: a lot of that going on. And yeah, so I

727
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: don't understand the argument being this thing that you're seeing

728
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: happen is not real. This is the typical way this goes, Right,

729
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: they say that's not happening. Then they say, Okay, it happens,

730
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Speaker 1: but not very often. Then they go to, yeah, it's

731
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Speaker 1: happening and it's a good thing. So at some point

732
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Speaker 1: they're going to come back around to yes, Antifa exists,

733
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Speaker 1: but they're not very impactful, and eventually we're all going

734
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Speaker 1: to be told, yes Antifa exists. Then they have to

735
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Speaker 1: exist because otherwise who would stand up to fascism? And

736
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Speaker 1: that's kind of the treadmill that we're on when it

737
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Speaker 1: comes to the way we talk about left wing violence

738
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Speaker 1: in the country. Buck did we even talk about this?

739
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: Apologies if we didn't, But it may have been earlier

740
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Speaker 1: this week, you may have been everybody just totally basically

741
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Speaker 1: stopped talking about a guy who had two hundred explosive

742
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Speaker 1: devices and showed up outside of a church where the

743
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Speaker 1: Republican the Republican appointed and confirmed Supreme Court justices tend

744
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Speaker 1: to go worship, and he wanted to kill as many

745
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Speaker 1: people as he could. Thankfully, they caught him two hundred

746
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Speaker 1: incendiary devices in his car. Though that seems like kind

747
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Speaker 1: of a big deal.

748
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Speaker 3: It just totally plays that story.

749
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Speaker 2: Before we know whether he should spend the rest of

750
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Speaker 2: his life in prison or not, we have to know

751
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Speaker 2: does he identify as trans? Yeah, that's important because if

752
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Speaker 2: you identify as trans, you get a very light sentence,

753
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Speaker 2: even if you're planning a political assassination. That was just

754
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Speaker 2: established based on the guy who said he wanted to

755
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Speaker 2: kill Brett Kavanaugh. Because now he says he's trends. It's like, whoa, WHOA.

756
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Speaker 2: Hold on a second, I didn't know he was trans.

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Speaker 2: We can't put him in prison that long, and we're

758
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Speaker 2: gonna put him in a women's prison. That's what they're

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Speaker 2: trying to do. I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you.

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Speaker 1: I guess if you had to get sent to prison,

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Speaker 1: like if I have faced multiple years in prison, I'm

762
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Speaker 1: gonna say I'm a chick too. It's probably a lot

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Speaker 1: safer in a girl's prison than it is a guy's prison.

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Speaker 3: In my crazy much better deal for a guy.

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Speaker 1: To be in a woman's prison, and a I would assume,

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Speaker 1: I would assume I don't have experience. I feel I

767
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Speaker 1: feel like I'm gonna be safer in the showers, let's

768
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Speaker 1: put it that way, than I would in the men's prison.

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Speaker 3: So I do.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even necessarily surprised by the decision, But I mean,

771
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Speaker 1: in all seriousness, we just keep stacking all of these

772
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Speaker 1: left wing wounds one after the other, and they happen

773
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Speaker 1: so frequently that the stories vanish and they have no

774
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Speaker 1: residence whatsoever. And it just reminds me of.

775
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Speaker 3: The Jan six.

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Speaker 1: You know, Jan six happens and they talk about it

777
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Speaker 1: four years and they refuse to allow it to vanish. Meanwhile,

778
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Speaker 1: there's an assassin outside of Brett Kavanaugh's house who is

779
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Speaker 1: trying to kill him to ensure.

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Speaker 3: That Roe V.

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Speaker 1: Wade is not overturned. We still don't know who the

782
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Speaker 1: leaker was. Worth mentioning that set all of this in order,

783
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Speaker 1: and was designed to set this in order right, that

784
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Speaker 1: basically drew the big target on the on the Supreme

785
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Speaker 1: Court justices because it was until the yes, it was

786
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Speaker 1: inciting terrorism, it was inciting releasing that decision was meant

787
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Speaker 1: to incite violence and perhaps an assassination of a Supreme

788
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Speaker 1: Court justice to stop that decision because Democrats told, I

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Speaker 1: feel as many babies as they want with no one

790
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Speaker 1: stopping them until the opinion is published. It is not law.

791
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Speaker 1: So that was an unprecedented leak which never occurs. And

792
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Speaker 1: there's only fifty people probably that had significant access to

793
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: that opinion, and basically everybody just threw up their hands

794
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: and said, well, we'll never know. But that was the

795
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Speaker 1: impetus under which Brett Kavanaugh's assassination was attempted.

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmel not finished, by the way, with his statements

797
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Speaker 2: about politics lately. Here he is, remember he got in

798
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Speaker 2: trouble because he said that Charlie Kirk's assassin was a

799
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Speaker 2: MAGA guy, which was a lie. It was preposterous. Now

800
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Speaker 2: Here he is saying that he didn't say anything wrong.

801
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Speaker 2: It was the way that people pounced on what he

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Speaker 2: said played twenty five.

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Speaker 11: I didn't think there was a big problem, I you know,

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Speaker 11: I just saw it as distortion on the part of

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Speaker 11: some of the right wing media networks, and I was

806
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Speaker 11: I aimed to correct it.

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Speaker 7: I have problems like all the time.

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Speaker 11: And it's kind of funny because sometimes you think, oh,

809
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 11: this is not a problem, and then it turns into

810
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Speaker 11: a big problem. And then sometimes it goes the other

811
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Speaker 11: way where you think like, oh, oh, this is gonna

812
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Speaker 11: be a problem nobody really notices.

813
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Speaker 7: And so what point did you realize this was a problem.

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Speaker 11: I think when they pulled the show off the air, well,

815
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Speaker 11: that's unusual. He felt like their initial comments had been mischaracterized.

816
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Speaker 11: I didn't feel like it was anywhere it was intentionally

817
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Speaker 11: and I think maliciously mischaracterized.

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Speaker 2: How is someone mischaracterizing his words when what he's said

819
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Speaker 2: was clearly false and malicious? That this is This is

820
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Speaker 2: where I wish somebody would ask, like, explain how that's

821
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Speaker 2: a mischaracter You said something that was clearly untrue and

822
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Speaker 2: you didn't it wasn't part of a joke. By the way,

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Speaker 2: that's also a lie. He wasn't making a joke. He

824
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Speaker 2: was making a political statement. So now I don't know

825
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Speaker 2: what the answer is. Yeah, I mean, I don't think

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Speaker 2: there is one.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I would just say we talk live

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Speaker 1: every single day, and so far, to my knowledge, we

829
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Speaker 1: haven't really had to apologize for anything. Now we get

830
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Speaker 1: facts wrong unintentionally, we come back and we say, hey,

831
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Speaker 1: we saw that, we said this, but we never apologized

832
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Speaker 1: for an actual opinion. I don't think there was a mischaracterization. Now,

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Speaker 1: I do agree with him. That was I thought actually

834
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Speaker 1: kind of funny. When they took the show off. That's

835
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Speaker 1: when you know it's a bad thing. This is why

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Speaker 1: I'm anti cancel culture. Many of you who listened to

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Speaker 1: Rush know this. Uh, they will not stop coming after

838
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: us no matter what. They came after Rush with everything

839
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Speaker 1: they had, and I don't think that they're suddenly going

840
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: to say, oh they're coming for us too, we're gonna

841
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Speaker 1: change it. I think this is where you stand on principle.

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Speaker 1: I understand some people disagree and say, hey, live radio,

843
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: live television, whatever it is, this shouldn't be a cancel

844
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Speaker 1: culture at all. And I said that for Roseanne, I

845
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: said that for for Gina Carano. I think that if

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Speaker 1: you're in creative space, any comedian out there, you're sometimes

847
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: going to speak inarticulately and sometimes you're gonna say moronic things.

848
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Speaker 1: And I think as long as you are doing your

849
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: best to to to try to be creative in the space.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we should try to cancel people. But

851
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: the words weren't mischaracterized, they were poorly said, and they

852
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: were they were rightly condemned. I think by I saw

853
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: that he lied or either rather or he said something

854
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: false because he's a moron. But either way it's a

855
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 1: bad thing to say. Living on blue sky, the amount

856
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: of left wingers who do not know basic truths now

857
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Speaker 1: and this is why I talk about the cognitive dissonance.

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00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: You've been told Trump's Hitler, and now he's on the

859
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: cover of Jerusalem Today or whatever it is, and is

860
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: going to bring back all the terrorists. I mean, at

861
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: some point, the alarm bell should start going off in

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Speaker 1: your head. Hey wait a minute, maybe the things that

863
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: I've been told by the media I follow are not true.

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Speaker 1: And I'm cautiously optimistic. Buck if you look, for instance,

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Speaker 1: at what's going on with the Washington Post, that people

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Speaker 1: like Jeff Bezos are starting to get fed up with things,

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Speaker 3: Back in everybody. We're joined by Jackcarr.

905
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 2: He is a former Navy seal turned bestselling author of

906
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Speaker 2: the Terminal List book series and The Streaming Show, which

907
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 2: is an excellent show. Highly highly recommend the books and

908
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 2: the show. Usually, Jack, you know you don't get both

909
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 2: to be great, Like you can write great books, but

910
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 2: they don't do a great show. You are in very

911
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 2: rarefied air my friend as somebody who has both great

912
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: books and great show.

913
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Speaker 7: Thank you, Thank you so much. Yeah, both went to

914
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 7: the number one on Prime Video, which is not that

915
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 7: and the first one that in twenty twenty two summer

916
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Speaker 7: of twenty twenty two hops back into that top five,

917
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Speaker 7: which is unusual as well, so after so many years,

918
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Speaker 7: so that was pretty pretty cool. We'll find out in

919
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Speaker 7: the next couple of weeks if we get a second

920
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Speaker 7: season of Dark Wolf. It's looking good though. Everybody wants

921
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Speaker 7: to do it, so we shall see. And then we

922
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Speaker 7: just finished film and True Believer of the second book

923
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 7: over in Morocco and finished up. There been fild me

924
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 7: that since February in South Africa, Morocco and Toronto, and

925
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Speaker 7: that should come out next summer. So there's a lot

926
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Speaker 7: in the works.

927
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Speaker 2: I really appreciate you know, when you're in the first episode,

928
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: the first episode of Dark Wolf, which obviously I saw recently,

929
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 2: it to me there's so much really good content that

930
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Speaker 2: could be done about that Gwatt era and special operations,

931
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Speaker 2: but really very few people have done it or certainly

932
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Speaker 2: done it well, and I think you just nailed it

933
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Speaker 2: in the opening episode of Dark Wolf.

934
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Speaker 3: I'm also a tailor. Kitch and.

935
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Speaker 2: Pratt are like two of my favorite actors, so how

936
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Speaker 2: did you manage did you get to p were you like,

937
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Speaker 2: you know what, I just want these two awesome guys

938
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Speaker 2: to be playing important roles in my series.

939
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Speaker 7: Well, Chris optioned out of the gate. He's the only

940
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Speaker 7: person I wanted to option it and play the character

941
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Speaker 7: of James Reees. So he was he was my pick

942
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Speaker 7: and set from the beginning, and then the first season

943
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Speaker 7: I wasn't involved in the casting process. I was involved

944
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Speaker 7: in it for the second season and for Dark Wolf,

945
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Speaker 7: but first season I wasn't. So it was a not

946
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Speaker 7: a surprise, but I guess a surprise in the fact

947
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Speaker 7: that I didn't pick him. I didn't pick anybody because

948
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Speaker 7: I wasn't involved. But they said Taylor Kitsch is playing

949
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Speaker 7: Ben Edwards, and I said, oh my gosh, that is

950
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Speaker 7: the best pick.

951
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Speaker 1: You got Riggins to play a Navy series.

952
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 3: That's awesome.

953
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: Fck even recognizes the start from Friday Night Lights. Yeah, Jack,

954
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Speaker 1: And so that's an incredible combo. What is it like

955
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Speaker 1: to balance writing obligations with making television show obligations Because

956
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Speaker 1: I imagine you're on the road all the time, you're

957
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: promoting the book, the books all the time, but you

958
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: have to continue to produce new books. How do you

959
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 1: balance it all out? Do you have a set, regimented schedule.

960
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people out there in creative space,

961
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: I bet that are curious how you balance all of that.

962
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 7: Yes, well, balance is a bit of a misnomer. I

963
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Speaker 7: hope to get to some balance one day. But there's

964
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Speaker 7: a reason we're talking here in October and not in

965
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 7: June when the book was supposed to come out, and

966
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 7: that is because I was juggling so much with both

967
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 7: the TV show, two TV shows, essentially Dark Wolf and

968
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 7: True Believer, and writing this book that I thought was

969
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 7: going to be the most efficiently written book yet, meaning

970
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 7: I thought I had a good understanding of Vietnam, lessons

971
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 7: learned from Vietnam, the sixties, overall the feel of that

972
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 7: period of time. And then I dove into the research

973
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 7: for this book Cry Havocs, and I'm on book tour

974
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Speaker 7: four right now, and I realized I'd really just scratched

975
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 7: the surface because every sentence in this book has to

976
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 7: be written through the lens of nineteen sixty eight. I

977
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,240
Speaker 7: didn't want to have fifty plus years of hindsight applied

978
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Speaker 7: to any character's perspective on an event, a situation, or

979
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,240
Speaker 7: part of a conversation. So that took a lot longer

980
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 7: than research for a contemporary thriller. And that's why we're

981
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,919
Speaker 7: here in October. Point being the balance thing is something

982
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 7: I am still working on. Every morning I get up

983
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 7: and it's like being shot out of the cannon with kids, wife,

984
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 7: dog and all the rest of it. So it's just

985
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,959
Speaker 7: mass chaos. But I feel extremely fortunate to be working

986
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 7: on multiple Hollywood projects, multiple books, and to have Cry

987
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 7: Havoc out there, which I think is my best book yet.

988
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:25,720
Speaker 3: Ooh, let's saying something.

989
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 7: Yeah.

990
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,959
Speaker 2: And you know, my father in law is a huge fan,

991
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 2: huge fan of the series.

992
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 7: I know, I think I said it one. I didn't

993
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Speaker 7: ad directed by that.

994
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 3: No, I think you did. Thank you for that.

995
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 1: And he reads it like within you know, days of

996
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: getting it, so he's always very up to speed on it.

997
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 3: I want to ask you.

998
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 2: The one thing that we get here a lot, especially

999
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: when I see people in person, Jack, is they'll say,

1000
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 2: you know, I'm thinking about doing a podcast, like I

1001
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 2: do you have any advice, and I'll you know, and

1002
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 2: we really do a radio show that's also a podcast.

1003
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 2: But I just say, yeah, here's my advice, do it

1004
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 2: and just start doing it, and just do a lot,

1005
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 2: and then go What if someone comes up to you

1006
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 2: and says, you know, hey, man, like you you really,

1007
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 2: you know, you're the Tom Clancy of our era, Like

1008
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 2: you've become this huge phenomenon, so much success in writing.

1009
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: How do I start to write a fiction book? In

1010
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 2: the most general terms, what do you say to them?

1011
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 7: I say, don't worry about anything else but writing that book, meaning,

1012
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 7: don't worry about Do I need to find an agent?

1013
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 7: Do I need to find a publisher? How does that happen?

1014
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 7: Do I need a social media presence? Do I need

1015
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 7: to build that up in order to sell books? I

1016
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 7: need to get a website going? You when need to start? No,

1017
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 7: all of that bandwidth is now bandwidth that is not

1018
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 7: going into making that product, in this case, a book,

1019
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 7: the best that it can possibly be. So focus those

1020
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 7: efforts on making this book the best it can possibly be.

1021
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 7: And then once it's done, or you get it to

1022
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 7: a place where you think, hey, if I worked on

1023
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,919
Speaker 7: this for the next five to ten years, it would

1024
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 7: get better, but it would get better by a degree

1025
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 7: or two. And when you're at that stage, then it's

1026
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 7: time to start thinking about those other things, thinking about

1027
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 7: having to find an agent and a publisher and all

1028
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 7: the rest of it. But the first thing you have

1029
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 7: to do is.

1030
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 2: Have that product that I got one follow up question

1031
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 2: for you, Jack, and sorry, I may or may not

1032
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:08,919
Speaker 2: be taking notes here, because I think writing a fiction

1033
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 2: book would be fun. Do you structure the whole thing

1034
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 2: out or do you start writing based on the story

1035
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 2: you want to tell and then create structure after you've

1036
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 2: gotten a chapter out or something.

1037
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, I have the same exact process from the entire time,

1038
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 7: and it's not based on anything that I read or

1039
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 7: anyone's advice. It was just what I thought was common sense.

1040
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 7: And I come up with the title and a theme

1041
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 7: for every book. And I've come up with a title

1042
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 7: even if it's going to change, so I'm not wasting

1043
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 7: bandwidth worried about coming up with a good title. So

1044
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 7: I do that I have a theme that's going to

1045
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 7: guide the writing process. In the case of the first book,

1046
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 7: it was Revenge without Constraint, and I had that on

1047
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 7: a little yellow sticky on my computer as I typed away,

1048
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 7: just to keep me on track. Then I read a

1049
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 7: one page executive summary and I read it, and I say,

1050
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 7: is this worth the next year to the year and

1051
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 7: a half of my life? And if the answer is yes,

1052
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 7: I read it again and I say, if someone was

1053
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 7: to walk by a Hudson News at the airport and

1054
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 7: pull this book off the show and read something similar

1055
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 7: to this that describes the book, would they be willing

1056
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 7: to invest time in this story that they're never going

1057
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 7: to get back? And if the answer is yes or

1058
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 7: most likely, then that's my project. That's the next book.

1059
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 7: And I take that one page executive summary, turn that

1060
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 7: into the outline so I know where I'm going. So

1061
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 7: I have that beginning of that middle of that end,

1062
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,439
Speaker 7: a few scenes that are going to happen along the way,

1063
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 7: and I at least have a destination. And if there's

1064
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 7: some things in that outline where I'm like, ah, hell,

1065
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 7: are you ever going to get out of this situation?

1066
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 7: Or well, I know I have a year to figure

1067
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 7: it out. This isn't the battlefield in a rack at

1068
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 7: Afghanistan where I have to make a split second decision

1069
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,479
Speaker 7: that's going to affect people to my right and left

1070
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 7: forever and their families. Now I have time I can

1071
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 7: sleep on or I can wake up. I can edit

1072
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 7: and in a year, I am confident that I'm creative

1073
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 7: enough that I can figure this out. So get that

1074
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 7: to that stage, and then I turn that outline into

1075
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 7: the narrative.

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Jack Carr. Cry Havoc is the latest

1077
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Speaker 1: and best book that Jack Carr has ever written. According

1078
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Speaker 1: to Jack Carr himself, I love those answers, by the way,

1079
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Speaker 1: and I would encourage people out there to take that

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Speaker 1: advice and pursue your own writing design. Let me ask

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Speaker 1: you this. The world is evolving and there's so much

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Speaker 1: crazy happening every day. You write out those plot points,

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Speaker 1: and do you ever think, boy, there's no way anything

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Speaker 1: like this could happen. And then there's a plot point

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Speaker 1: that is very similar to what you have thought about before.

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Speaker 1: And to your point, you spend a year writing, but

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Speaker 1: it can end up looking very timely. How much do

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Speaker 1: you pay attention to current events? Buck just came back

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Speaker 1: from Taiwan, for instance. I'm not giving you ideas. You

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Speaker 1: probably haven't thought about a lot, but you know you

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Speaker 1: can kind of think of where the geopolitical flash points

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Speaker 1: might be. Are you conscious of that? Are you thinking

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Speaker 1: about it as you're writing, or are you trying to

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Speaker 1: divorce yourself from the current world in which you sit.

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Speaker 7: I'm always, ever since a little kid, I'm always interested

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Speaker 7: in in Currens's current events, also history, the merging of

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Speaker 7: those two. What lessons we can draw from history and

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Speaker 7: apply to the problem sets of the present as wisdom.

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Speaker 7: But I'm not thinking about I need to grab something

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Speaker 7: from that headlines, or I need to project into the future.

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Speaker 7: It happens naturally. I'm very aware of what's going on

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Speaker 7: around the world. That's just where my interests lie then,

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Speaker 7: but I'm not obsessed with trying to fit it into

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Speaker 7: a story. Instead, I'm focused only on the story. And

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Speaker 7: if I'm only focused on this story without worrying about

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Speaker 7: the current event or a headline, or if I'm going

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Speaker 7: to upset somebody with if I say X, Y or

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Speaker 7: Z or hey, are short chapters better than the long chapters? Now,

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Speaker 7: I don't consider any of that. I just focus on

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Speaker 7: the story, and in doing so, I honor I think

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Speaker 7: the readership and the listenership now that is going to

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Speaker 7: spend time with me that they're never getting back, So

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Speaker 7: I focus on that. But things have happened that I've

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Speaker 7: written about that I didn't it looks like I'm projecting

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Speaker 7: something like the Russian invasian Ukraine, But that was not

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Speaker 7: a hard one. That was Zach came out in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 7: That's the one we filmed True Believer that we just

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Speaker 7: finished up, and that storyline had to change a little

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Speaker 7: bit because the Russians actually did invade Ukraine. So there's

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Speaker 7: been that I talked about an AI a quantum computer

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Speaker 7: well before anyone had heard of chat GPT. There are

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Speaker 7: certain things like that that have come up in the novels.

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Speaker 7: October seventh, something similar to that I wrote about in

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Speaker 7: Israel not too long ago before it happened. So some

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Speaker 7: of these things look like I'm projecting I have a

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Speaker 7: crystal ball, but I certainly do not. They are just

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Speaker 7: they just happened to correspond with some current events. But

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Speaker 7: I do like to weave a lot of things that

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Speaker 7: are our topical into the storylines because at one day

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Speaker 7: people are going to go back maybe and read these

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Speaker 7: and it'll be like a time machine. It's me going

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Speaker 7: back and reading Hunt for Red October. Now, that's a

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Speaker 7: time machine in nineteen eighty four. And so I do

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Speaker 7: I am talking to some of that.

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Speaker 2: You think Tom Clancy is the biggest inspiration you had.

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Speaker 2: Who would you say, as a writer for what you're doing,

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Speaker 2: if you had to pick one author would be the

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Speaker 2: biggest thing.

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Speaker 7: You picked one because I read so many growing up

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Speaker 7: and they're all part of my foundation. So it's certainly Clancy.

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Speaker 7: It's David Morale, It's Nelson de Mill, It's JJ Quanelli's

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Speaker 7: JC Pollock, It's Mark Old and it's more. It's johny Caray,

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Speaker 7: It's Ian Fleming, It's Robert Ludlamits all of those masters

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Speaker 7: that I read from the eighties all the way through

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Speaker 7: the nineties and continue to read today. David Morrell, who

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Speaker 7: created Rambo in nineteen seventy two with First Blood, kicked

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Speaker 7: off this book tour with me in Phoenix just a

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Speaker 7: few days ago. Such an honor to be on stage

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Speaker 7: with him. And all of those guys were so instrumental

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Speaker 7: during those very formative time in my life, let's say

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Speaker 7: for most of us age ten to twenty, and during

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Speaker 7: that time, I am reading all those masters, and they're

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Speaker 7: really becoming my professors in the art of storytelling. But

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Speaker 7: back then I didn't look at it that way. I

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Speaker 7: just looked at it as escaping into the magic of

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Speaker 7: those pages. But it created this foundation that I then

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Speaker 7: coupled with the academic study of warfare and my experiences

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Speaker 7: downrange in Iraq and Afghanistan, so I can bring the

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Speaker 7: feelings and emotions behind certain events that I was involved with.

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Speaker 2: All Right, all right, Jack, Jack, you're a best selling author,

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Speaker 2: You're an America page, You're a fantastic guy. You're being

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Speaker 2: far too diplomatic and humble though, so I want to

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Speaker 2: put you on the hot seat with three best war

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Speaker 2: movies of all time, then to give you your author

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Speaker 2: number one. But the three best war movies for you

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Speaker 2: are what?

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Speaker 7: All right, Band of Brothers, even though it's a series,

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Speaker 7: I think it's you know, keep that one to the side,

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Speaker 7: but it's a series. But that is certainly up there.

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Speaker 7: I was chefs actually right before we came on here,

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Speaker 7: I had to wrap up a podcast with Charlie Sheen

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Speaker 7: and we were talking, oh wow, tune. Yeah. We're talking

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Speaker 7: about Platoon and his experience on set with Apocalypse Now

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Speaker 7: when he was like nine or ten years old with

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Speaker 7: his dad, because my book is probably have like nineteen

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Speaker 7: seventy eight, and so we're talking about that and his

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Speaker 7: experiences on set with Marlon Brando and Dennis Hopper and

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Speaker 7: Robert Duval and just just a fascinating conversation with him.

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Speaker 7: So I would say band of brothers. I would throw

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Speaker 7: a platoon in there, for sure. I love Uncommon Valor.

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Speaker 7: For those who have remember that one Apocalypse now long

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Speaker 7: Longest Day, those ones really stand out to me.

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Speaker 1: Last question for you, as we got break here, I've

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Speaker 1: got one here. Who is a guy or gal who

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Speaker 1: has read your book that you were blown away? Is

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Speaker 1: a fan? Has there been somebody that you met and

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Speaker 1: you just couldn't get over it, because, look, you come

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Speaker 1: from a background, you're busting your ass, you know, doing

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Speaker 1: what you do in the military before you end up

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Speaker 1: writing these books. Is there anybody that you were just

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Speaker 1: in disbelief was a reader or a big fan of

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Speaker 1: your work?

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Speaker 7: It's yeah. David Morrell, who created Rambo. I can't believe

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Speaker 7: that he's He actually gave me a blurb when that

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Speaker 7: blurb ends with I'm a fan. Just that that one

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Speaker 7: blew me away because discovering him through Rambo First Blood

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Speaker 7: Part two, a novelization, which is a book based on

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Speaker 7: the screenplay In the Summer of Rambo in nineteen eighty five,

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Speaker 7: then going back and reading First Blood, then reading Brother

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Speaker 7: for the Rose fra Turning the Stone, League of Night

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Speaker 7: and Fogg, and then having him one of my heroes

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Speaker 7: in the literary realm, read my books and be a fan.

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Speaker 7: That's a little crazy. And then Charlie Sheen he was

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Speaker 7: a fan of the books before before he even came

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Speaker 7: on the podcast, and that was a little bit crazy too,

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Speaker 7: having grown up watching him in these movies, to include

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Speaker 7: Navy Seals, No very cool.

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Speaker 2: Well, cry Havoc is the book. It's gonna be a

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Speaker 2: runaway bestseller. Get your copy today. Also check out I'm

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Speaker 2: to all of you. Our friend Jack Carr as always,

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Speaker 2: congrats on all your success. Come back and hang out

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Speaker 2: with us anytime.

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Speaker 7: Oh man, Thank you guys so much. Love what you're doing.

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Speaker 7: Stay strong, it's important.

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Speaker 3: We'll do. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Great author. Great television series that are out there, I

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