WEBVTT - Banning Social Media …is that the right move? 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:04.680 Now really. 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:11.160 Really now really hello and welcome to really know really 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:14.000 with Jason, Alexander and Peter Tilden, who kindly ask you 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:16.479 to subscribe to our show and then tell everyone you 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:18.880 know and don't know to do the same thing by 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:22.840 your multitude of social media apps. And speaking of social 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:25.280 media apps, have you noticed how they've come to pretty 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:29.000 much dominate our daily lives? And suddenly government is seeking 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:31.960 to intervene. Currently, the Supreme Court has upheld the right 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:35.199 to ban the popular TikTok app in the United States. 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:38.200 Australia has issued a ban on social media for miners, 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:40.800 and there is a growing trend of trying to limit 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:46.120 social media in order to make people more social. Really, no, really, 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:48.720 and who even knows if bans are the best way 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:51.920 of dealing with the situation. Well, one person who knows 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:55.760 quite a bit is doctor Jacqueline Nisi. She's an assistant 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:59.320 professor of psychiatry and human behavior at Brown University, where 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:02.880 she's specific he studies how technology affects kids and how 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:05.560 parents can help. And now here are two guys who 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:09.720 are still waiting for their verification check marks, elon Jason 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:10.040 and Peter. 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:13.840 Really, So today we're gonna we're gonna be talking about 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:14.959 social media. 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:19.920 Would you describe yourself as someone who is addicted? It's 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:24.440 a big word, but it is highly participatory in your 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:25.120 social media. 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:28.200 Yeah. Well, and how many social media accounts do you 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:30.160 personally have? I don't mean our show, I don't mean any, 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:31.600 just the ones that you don't. 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:33.360 I don't. I don't you have funny because I don't 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:35.840 enter into I have them all, but I do them 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:38.240 for research. I want to see what's spending, what people 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:40.199 are talking about. But I don't post, and you don't 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:42.640 really look at comments. I don't know. 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:46.480 I don't you know I have I have three. I 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:49.080 had four. I got off of a big one. And 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:52.919 the thing that makes me crazy is at some point 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:56.760 every week, my my iPad will say to me how 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:59.680 much screen time I've had this week and whether it's 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:04.000 upper down from the week before. And I, first of all, 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:08.720 it makes me crazy that it's watching me what's hello? 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:13.600 And I guess it's not making a judgment about it, 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:15.400 but it feels very judgmental. 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:17.920 It's telling me I'm up or down from my use 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:19.400 to the week before and what I left. 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:21.000 What I love about that because I get that on 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:22.880 all my social media and on my phone, how much 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:27.079 use and how much Yeah, with the subtext of watch out, 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:29.079 just make sure you're not doing too much. And at 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:32.000 the same time, it's going, we got to we we 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:33.800 got one, we got we got to get this up, 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:35.240 we got to get this up again. 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:37.720 So if so, but here's why I bring it up 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:41.919 because I don't think I'm overly engaged with social media. 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:42.840 I don't really think. 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:46.919 And yet you know, it gets into the just shy 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:50.760 of nine hours a week is basically what it's telling me. 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:53.239 I go, I'm on that thing nine hours a week. 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:57.480 So if I who am not plugged in as a 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:00.320 sixty five year old man, I'm not plugged into this stuff. 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:02.240 I don't really care about this stuff. I get my 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:08.440 news from traditional media. And imagine being a teenager whose 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:09.840 entire world. 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:12.320 Well that's the other that's the point. And just how 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:16.440 damaging or not damaging the social media because it's their community, 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:19.960 it's their engagement, it's their entertainment, it's their music, it's theirs, 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:23.560 their news sources, it's there everything, and why wouldn't it 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:26.680 be right? And then the big question for me with 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:30.080 this specialist is isn't there a spectrum like, aren't there 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:33.560 kids who are just destroyed by social media? Devastated by 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:35.600 we know it all the time, we hear about it 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:38.240 all the time, and it's even suicidal. Then there's some 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:40.680 maybe that are neutral about it, and then maybe there's 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:43.280 some who are honor students who are using it to 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:46.680 do content to learn stuff. So all of a sudden, 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:50.440 the band across the board would seem to be counterintuitive 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:53.960 and a bludgeon for something that has to be there 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:57.320 has to be and this is the hard part. What 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:00.960 are the solutions to make it better for those kids 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:04.560 who are devastated by it? So that I'm fascinated by this. 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:08.040 I'm fascinated that the Australia went screw it and that they. 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:10.840 Think I said to you, when you, you know, talk 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:12.480 to me about this topic, I said, Oh, we're back 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:14.920 to the Chemtrail episode where you go, Okay, they're banned 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:15.600 in Arizona. 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:16.520 Okay, so. 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:20.880 The sky I mean, so how do you how do 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:24.320 you enforce this? How do you you know what what 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:29.240 is the mechanism that allows you to make sure that 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:31.280 you can enforce a. 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:34.760 Band, especially by the way, when the people who are 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:38.520 pushing back on the band are the wealthiest, most powerful. 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:42.080 Now people on the planet did own these tech companies 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:43.520 that own the The thing. 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:43.919 Is they're going to do. 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:46.440 I can't remember who this comedian is, and I just 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:49.560 saw the bit the other day, but he does a 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:53.240 bit about I guess the porn sites now have a 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:55.720 thing if you if you bring up the if you 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:59.520 type in whatever it is, the first thing that comes 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:01.760 up is the thing that says, I am eighteen years 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:03.160 of old or older. 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:07.799 Or I am not eighteen years but any any schmo, 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:12.240 I'm eighteen. What do you want? How is that? He's 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:14.840 a big preventative way that no one goes past. 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:17.120 We took a reasonable effort. 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:18.320 Does that sven? 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:20.640 Thirty four million dollars? We put up a thing if 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:22.440 you kid, I'm the kid hit I'm eighteen. 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:23.200 Who are we to know? 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:24.039 You're a liar? 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:26.800 Right? Yeah, you're a liar, and I should pay thirty 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:27.480 four million dollars. 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:29.599 But the good thing is nobody's watching forn so it 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:30.159 doesn't matter. 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:36.080 That's right, that's right. And with that, with that, we 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:37.960 have a fascinating. 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:40.680 Guest today, Professor Jacqueline is it nessy is that I 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:45.000 would assume she's assistant professor at Brown University who studies 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:47.440 technology use and how it affects kids and how parents 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:50.760 can help. She writes for a popular weekly newsletter called 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:54.440 Techno Sapiens and co created Tech Without Stress, which is 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.480 a course to help parents raising kids in the digital age. 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:00.800 She's published over fifty peer reviewed publications related to youth 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.800 and technology. Youth and her Her writing has been featured 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:05.920 in The New York Times, Journal, Washington Post. 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:09.240 She's a person. She's a real person testifying for a. 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:13.400 Congressert on In addition, she setsfy in front of Congress. 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:17.480 But she also just got funded to do research specifically 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:20.719 on kids and using this tech and howat how it 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:24.839 does affect them and is this causing the depression or 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:26.200 in the youth will find this out. 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:29.040 Let's get schooled and let's welcome professor Jacqueline. 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:30.840 Is it nessy? Am? I saying it right? 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:32.760 It's actually ns messy? 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.159 Welcome Professor Jacqueline. Nissy. 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:36.840 You need to add another easy you. 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:40.400 Need it's it's it's confusing. 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:43.719 I would say about half of my my friends also 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:44.719 don't know how to pronounce it. 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:47.839 So it's okay because your name is obviously sponding correct. 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:52.520 Exactly well, welcome, welcome to our little program. So we 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:56.240 are we are. Wegan we began by chatting about. 0:06:57.520 --> 0:06:59.240 And we'll get into many things, I'm sure, but I 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:03.320 want to start with as I'm sure you're aware, the 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:07.120 country of Australia has stated that they are going to 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:12.720 ban social media for people under the age of sixteen 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:16.640 starting next year, and we wanted to get your thoughts 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.640 about whether that's a net positive or a net neutral 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:22.559 or negative. What's your take on whether this is even 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:24.280 a good thing to be pursuing. 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:29.800 Yeah, yeah, I mean so this is so just backing 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:33.600 up a little bit, I'll say that the research on 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:37.560 the link between social media and mental health, which is 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:39.400 the thing that's kind of driving a lot of these 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:41.520 bans and. 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:45.480 Movements to change things, the research is a little bit mixed. 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:49.240 Actually, it's not so as clear cut as we would think. 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:53.920 That said, there's generally pretty widespread agreement that these platforms 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:58.160 do have problems, right, like they're not designed optimally for 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:02.840 young people and young people's being, and so I think 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:04.960 there's two generally schools. 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:06.480 Of thought about how to address that. 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:10.320 One is, let's make changes to the platforms themselves to 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:11.760 make them safer. 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:13.520 Healthier, better for kids. 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.720 The other school thought is let's keep them off altogether, right, 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:21.800 and so obviously that is what Australia has started taking 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:22.880 steps to do. 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:25.600 You could argue that you have. 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:27.400 To set the age somewhere, right, like you have to 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:29.800 set the age at which kids can accessit at some point. 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.840 And in the US it's effectively based on the laws 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:35.600 that we have, it's effectively thirteen. 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:39.640 But there are a lot of issues that this brings up. 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:43.120 One is how do you even define social media right, 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:47.640 like what platforms would even be considered social media for 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:50.920 this type of ban. The second is how do you 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:53.480 enforce it? Like you said, so there's some talk of 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:56.439 age verification, like, how are you going to know whether 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:57.840 kids are actually sixteen? 0:08:57.880 --> 0:08:58.160 Together? 0:08:58.280 --> 0:08:59.959 I was going to say, because I was joking about 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:01.880 you know, the porn sites have a thing that says 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:03.320 I am eighteen or holder or I am not. 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:07.640 It's yeah, yeah, I think it's just a it's a 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:10.800 really tricky issue and I don't think that we have 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:13.920 a good solution in terms of how to do age verification, 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:16.640 not that it couldn't be developed, but how to do 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:18.480 it in a way that protects privacy and that people 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:21.880 feel comfortable with. I think the biggest issue though, actually 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:25.520 is that it's by putting a ban in place, it 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:29.600 kind of replaces the need to actually make changes to 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:32.520 these platforms, right, So, you know, so we know that 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:34.520 there are changes that could be made, maybe should be 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:35.600 made to make. 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:37.080 Them safer and better for kids. 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:39.920 And if there's a band in place, then the platforms 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:41.920 can just say, oh, well, the kids shouldn't be on 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:44.280 there anyway. So you know, so what do we have 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:46.240 to work what do we have to worry about? You know, 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:48.840 we don't need to be making these these changes. 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:51.320 And that they actually become less safe for kids as 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:51.760 a result. 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:55.840 Also, when you're studying teens, not every team is destroyed 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:59.040 by TikTok. Some flourish because of that, and you would 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:04.520 push some kids in more isolation. So there's potential negatives 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:06.480 for a whole group of kids that we don't talk 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:10.120 about the benefit from it. Some are neutral. We always 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:11.840 talk about the kids who are damaged by that. 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:15.280 Yeah, yeah, it's a really good question. I think it's 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:17.040 kind of the question that's at the heart of a 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:20.640 lot of these debates, you know, because the narrative around 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.520 social media and kids' mental health is obviously really negative. 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:25.920 Like what we hear about it is that this is 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:28.320 bad and that the science is settled on this, Like, 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:30.880 we know it's bad, but I think the research we 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:34.480 do have actually doesn't really support that kind of simple story. Like, 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:37.280 as you said, social media has a lot of different things, 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:39.480 first of all, so there's a lot of different ways 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.840 that it can be used. Some may be beneficial, some 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:46.960 certainly harmful. And then of course kids are very different 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:49.520 from each other, right, so you know, kids are using 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:51.200 these platforms in very different ways. 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:53.600 Some kids, as you mentioned, maybe. 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:56.240 Those who might be more marginalized somehow in their you know, 0:10:56.320 --> 0:11:00.840 offline lives, may actually be getting some benefit from the platforms, 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:03.600 finding community on there. So kids are going to be 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:07.160 affected in different ways by the platforms, and that makes 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:09.440 it hard, I think, to determine, you know, what is 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:13.280 the best way to regulate these platforms, to make them safer, 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:15.840 to make them better, knowing that the impacts really different 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:19.800 for different kids, and that there may be good that's 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:21.600 coming out of the platforms for some kids. 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:23.920 Yeah, well it seems to me, you know, we have 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:27.840 some of the same issues in my own business about 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:31.079 we have just gotten around to trying to figure out 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:34.800 practices within my industry to make a safer environment for 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:36.040 the children that work in it. 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:38.040 Yeah, and that's when. 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:40.080 We can see them in their hands on and it's 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:43.640 very limited exposure, and we can sort of navigate what 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:46.719 they do and don't do during their work day. I mean, 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:49.319 are you aware of any of the things they're thinking 0:11:49.360 --> 0:12:07.280 about that might be considered protective for young people? Are 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:08.600 you aware of any of the. 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:14.040 Things they're thinking about that might be considered protective for 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:14.760 young people. 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:19.719 Yeah, it's a really good question. It's a really good parallel. 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:23.560 I think there are many different proposals out there, some 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:26.400 at the federal levels, many at the state level. Some 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:29.720 of the things that are in consideration are things like 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:35.400 default privacy settings, so making sure that kids are not 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:39.480 being automated into public profiles where anyone can contact them 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:43.000 or see their information, right, putting more protections in place 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:47.239 for parental controls, so letting parents and kids themselves customize 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:50.440 their experience a little bit more on the platforms. And 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:53.160 then you know, generally kind of creating a duty for 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:57.800 these platforms to protect kids from arms, so things like 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:03.599 really problematic content, like content that promotes self harm, or 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:05.840 eating disorders or things that we just obviously would not 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:09.040 want kids seeing. Right, there's some argument that there should 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:11.840 be changes made to the platforms for everybody, just that 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:15.360 they should generally be you know, more safe and places 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:17.840 where there's more transparency about how your data is being 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:21.959 collected and used, where you have more options to customize, 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:25.520 you know, the algorithms that are feeding you content and 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.120 those kinds of things. And maybe there should be changes 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:28.800 made for everyone. 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:32.439 But is that is there any danger that you are 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:38.080 effectively putting blinders on because they're only exposing themselves to 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:40.920 things that are giving them what they want as opposed 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:43.400 to offering an opposing opinion or a different idea, a 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:44.280 different perspective. 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:48.280 Would there not be a downside to that kind of Yeah? 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:50.439 So, yeah, certainly, I think there could be a downside. 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:53.560 That's way I think that any with any change or 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:56.720 solution that we talk about here, I do think that 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:02.440 some amount of media literacy training is necessary, and that 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:06.480 just meaning we need to be teaching kids about healthy 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.200 and safe ways to use these platforms. 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:11.800 Right now, I think there is not a lot of 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:12.440 that happening. 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:16.120 Mostly, I think what kids are hearing is social media 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:18.160 is bad for you, it's bad for your mental health, 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:21.239 don't use it, which is not really realistic. 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:22.240 And that's it. 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:26.040 And they're not getting a lot of education and training 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:28.040 around how can they actually use this in ways that 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:31.920 work for them, that make them feel good or make 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.720 them feel better, where it's not interfering with other aspects 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:35.440 of their lives. 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:37.560 So I think it's something that we need to be 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:38.360 teaching kids. 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:42.040 And part of as I was reading out your resume, 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:44.800 part of what you do is you are trying to 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:48.000 help parents learn how to help their kids navigate this 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:50.880 What are some of the tips that, I mean to 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:53.800 the if you can sort of winnie them down, What 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:57.080 are some of the things you're trying to offer parents 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.320 as guidelines for navigating this stuff. 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:03.800 Yeah, I mean, I think this is a really challenging 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:08.600 landscape for parents. As you can imagine, it's changing so fast. 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:12.400 It's very different than what many parents dealt with growing up. 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:13.160 When they were younger. 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:17.320 And Yeah, so in the past few years, since becoming 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:19.880 a parent myself, I have young kids, I think I've 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:23.560 become a lot more interested, become a lot more interested 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.560 in just how can we help parents figure out how 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:29.200 to how to navigate this, how to deal with these 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:31.920 new technologies, and so yeah, I think there's a couple 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:34.480 a couple general tips that I think are good to 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:39.040 start with for parents. So one is which parents don't 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:42.680 love to hear, but is important is modeling, which is 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:45.920 thinking about your own use of social media actually in 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:49.480 your own use of technology, and we know that plays 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:51.920 a pretty major role in how our kids use technology, 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:55.120 and so starting there reflecting on your own use. 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:57.480 And then the other two. 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:01.280 Tips I would say to start with are communication, So 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:08.040 open communication, conversations about this, asking questions is really important, 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:12.880 getting curious about how kids are using these technologies, why, when, 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:15.520 why it's important to them, what they like about it. 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:16.960 I think we often come. 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:20.800 In with our own agenda, which of course makes sense 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:24.160 we're concerned about this as parents, but getting kids perspective 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:27.720 to is important. And then the last piece is setting 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:31.080 boundaries around it. You know, So the tech companies, of course, 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:33.480 I think have a role to play in terms of 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:37.320 making the platforms safer for kids, but I also think 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:40.720 that parents can play a major role in terms of 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:44.280 setting limits, figuring out what the right boundaries are around this, 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:47.320 and that might mean waiting a certain amount of time 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:50.640 to get them a smartphone, for example, or waiting until 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.320 a certain age to give them access to social media. 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.520 I think it can help parents to think about what 0:16:56.760 --> 0:17:01.080 is kind of the minimum level of time technology that 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:02.640 is necessary. 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:04.080 For your child to meet the needs they have. 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:07.680 So if they want to be communicating with friends, staying 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:10.600 in touch with their peers, maybe they can do that 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:14.639 with a you know, a flip phone, or maybe they 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:17.400 can do that with like a smart watch that's made 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:18.440 specifically for kids. 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:19.959 Or by the way, that's what I'm getting my kid 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:24.280 to be popular in school. Your research, because you've got 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:26.800 a grant to do research, so we can actually have 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:28.600 a jumping off point and look at it and go, 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:31.480 here's what I found. This is not an opinion, here's 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:34.920 what I found. When your research is done, who do 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:37.760 you present to that may actually look at it and go, oh, wow, 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:40.520 thank you for this. We have something tangible now where 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:41.760 we can do something actionable. 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:45.760 Maybe yeah, I mean, I think there's a few different 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:49.520 ways that you know, after you a study fea of findings, 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:51.080 that you can share the findings. 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:51.919 You know. 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.320 One of the things that I'm trying to do now, 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:57.000 as you mentioned, is trying to get the information directly 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:01.160 to people who can use it quickly, like parents, parents, 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:04.439 educators in schools. But obviously there's some amount that can 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:08.480 get to policymakers, like we've talked about some of this 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:10.119 is happening over social media. 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.040 Yeah, well, congratulations on the grant, you know, And should 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:14.960 we have panels of like twelve year olds who are 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:17.880 actually trying to get the solutions rather than adults who 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:20.119 didn't grow up with social media and don't understand it. 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:23.159 Yeah, yeah, it's funny. 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:26.159 Actually, I think that we do definitely forget sometimes to 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:30.760 actually involve kids in these conversations, the ones who actually 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:34.159 know the most about how they're using these platforms and 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:34.720 what's working. 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:35.160 Right. 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:39.199 I did this survey last year with common Sense Media 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:43.240 where we went out and we surveyed about fifteen hundred 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:48.320 girls ages eleven to fifteen across the US, and one 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:50.720 of the things we asked them was what changes would 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:53.240 you make to social media to make it better? And 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.160 the things they came up with with were really kind 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:57.000 of common. 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:57.200 Sense, right. 0:18:57.280 --> 0:19:01.159 It was like, you know, stop letting adult contact me 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:03.760 who I don't want to be contacting me, or like 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:08.600 give me more age appropriate content to look at instead 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:10.000 of things that I don't want to be looking at, 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:12.280 you know, like they came up with things that are 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:15.200 really make a lot of sense, and I think most 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:17.560 people would agree with. But I how to actually then 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:20.600 put that into practice at the policy level is is hard. 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:22.400 Professor. 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:26.959 If I may may, this may not be something that 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:30.280 you can absolutely speak to, but on the on the 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:32.240 hopes that you can, it would be helpful, I think 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:36.399 to a lot of parents. I remember my boys are 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:41.240 fully grown, but I remember when social media sort of 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:46.400 started to come into it's it's real heyday as they 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:50.440 were becoming teenagers, and I had a very realistic talk 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:54.120 with my boys about pornography online, where where I said 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:58.199 to them, look, guys, when when when two adult people 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:01.800 agree on something and they there's nothing that's bad. Everything's 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:04.760