WEBVTT - Into the Toyota Land Cruiser

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<v Speaker 1>This episode of Into Cars is a little different. Today

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<v Speaker 1>we'll be off roading and the reimagined Toyota Land Cruiser

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<v Speaker 1>to find out if it lives up to its legendary name.

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<v Speaker 1>After crawling over rocks and getting dirty, we'll dust ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>off and sit down with Marcus Umlau, Toyota's general manager

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<v Speaker 1>of truck strategy, to find out more about the engineering

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<v Speaker 1>and decisions behind the land Cruiser.

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<v Speaker 2>So here we have it, the long waited twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four Toyota Land Cruiser. It's been on hiatus, this model

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<v Speaker 2>since twenty twenty one. It's changed a lot since then,

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<v Speaker 2>but a lot of the change is not dimensional.

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<v Speaker 3>It's visual.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's still a big truck. It's the same wheelbase.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's the same with it's within an inch

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<v Speaker 1>on height or two inches on height, and the overall

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<v Speaker 1>length is about the same, So it's the same size truck.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just not the same land cruiser though. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>the eighty seven thousand dollars lankerser. This one is a

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<v Speaker 1>lot less money. It starts in the mid fifties. The

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<v Speaker 1>one we have here, though, is a bit more expensive.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the first edition, yeah, fully loaded.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny how it can present so differently than that

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<v Speaker 2>last slang cruiser that we had. What was the model

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<v Speaker 2>on that FJ FJ two.

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<v Speaker 1>Hundred two hundred, Yeah, FJ two hundred, the one in

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<v Speaker 1>the eighties I think was the sixty two, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the one in the nineties was the eight eighty, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we went to the one hundred, and then we

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<v Speaker 1>went to the two hundred, which was the last one.

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<v Speaker 1>And they were great.

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<v Speaker 2>They were really like the sort of Japanese rang drover

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<v Speaker 2>in a way. They were really deluxe, very very capable.

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<v Speaker 2>But I doubt anybody outside of Dubai used them off road.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, certainly not. The first owners use them off road.

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<v Speaker 1>The second owners are third owners because the things just

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<v Speaker 1>lasted forever too. There was a repair shop in my

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<v Speaker 1>old neighborhood in Los Angeles and the guy would drive

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<v Speaker 1>the cars around trying to see what was wrong with them,

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<v Speaker 1>and he drove a land Cruiser buy me once. I

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<v Speaker 1>said what's wrong with this? And he was like, absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 1>The last like three hundred thousand miles on it. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't break. And they were complicated too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean three locking diffs and a lot of electronics,

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<v Speaker 2>but bulletproof.

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<v Speaker 1>This is more of a return to basics. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>on the new Toyota truck platform, the TNNGA, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is the supposed two to fifty series. The Lexis lex

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<v Speaker 1>is on the three hundred series, which is over and

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<v Speaker 1>above this, but you get this for a lot less

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<v Speaker 1>money than the Lexus.

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<v Speaker 2>And there are four similar vehicles off that two to

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<v Speaker 2>fifty platform. You've got the Lexus g X five fifty,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a three row suv but very similar to this.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you have the land Cruiser, then you have the

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<v Speaker 2>fore Runner, and then you have the Tacoma. It looks

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<v Speaker 2>less like a luxury piece than the outgoing FJ two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred land Cruiser.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that had sort of evolved into a luxury truck.

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<v Speaker 1>This is more of a retro feel to it. It

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<v Speaker 1>looks more like the land cruisers of the eighties of

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<v Speaker 1>the seventies. It has some of that feel. It even

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<v Speaker 1>has some of the feel of the FJ Cruiser, like

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<v Speaker 1>the headlights around on the first edition and on the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty eight model.

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<v Speaker 2>So it starts at the nineteen fifty eight model. That's

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<v Speaker 2>right then then, but this, you know, it's fully loaded,

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<v Speaker 2>but you get those retro round lights and I love

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<v Speaker 2>the look of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, it's real upright. I like my SUVs

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<v Speaker 1>to have upright windshields, lots of glass. If I'm buying

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<v Speaker 1>an suv, I want it to look like an suv.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's also a functional benefit to that. You can

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<v Speaker 2>see out the thing better. You can look down the

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<v Speaker 2>side of it when you are off roading. You can

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<v Speaker 2>see the raised capitals on the hood. You know where

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<v Speaker 2>the vehicle stops. So a lot of things that they did.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're to make it a little bit trimmer

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<v Speaker 2>off road, although it still is wide.

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<v Speaker 1>It is it is, but yeah, like you said, you

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<v Speaker 1>can see the corners and there's a lot of glass

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<v Speaker 1>in there and it's all upright glass. Your view out

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<v Speaker 1>of it is wonderful and it's nice to see that.

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<v Speaker 2>The main difference between this and the GX five point

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<v Speaker 2>fifty is the engine. This right, this has the hybrid four,

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<v Speaker 2>the two point four liter making three.

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<v Speaker 1>Three twenty six six twenty six source part same as

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<v Speaker 1>the top engine that you can get in the Tacoma.

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<v Speaker 1>This one did sixty in our testing in seven point

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<v Speaker 1>seven seconds. The GX is over a second quicker.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, and it's heavier.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a significant difference.

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<v Speaker 2>That looks great, And I love this military khaki brown

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<v Speaker 2>with the contrasting gray roof.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's called trail dust is the color that we're

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<v Speaker 1>looking at. It's sort of khaki. It's got a little

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<v Speaker 1>tiny bit of olive in it. It's cool and it

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<v Speaker 1>sort of goes with the retro feel of it as well.

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<v Speaker 3>That's very cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, black eighteen inch wheels and thirty three inch tires,

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<v Speaker 2>so it looks capable, but it also looks a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Like a Nissanic Sterra.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean Nissanic stairs are capable. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think part of it's that roof rack. That's true. That

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<v Speaker 1>is adding to it. It's a lot bigger than a

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<v Speaker 1>next Sterra though it is big.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go around the back. You have the separate tailgate.

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<v Speaker 2>You can open the glass independently.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's a Toyota hallmark. And being able to

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<v Speaker 1>open that rear glass super cool. So even the badging

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<v Speaker 1>is retro. Instead of having the modern Toyota badge which

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<v Speaker 1>looks like a little cowboy hat stylized cowboy hat, Toyota

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<v Speaker 1>is written out and the font of land Cruiser is

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<v Speaker 1>the classic land Cruiser font and it's cool little touches

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<v Speaker 1>like that. And what is this sink toe? I think

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<v Speaker 1>it owes six thousand pounds, which is less than the

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<v Speaker 1>g X five point fifty, which has a more powerful powertrain.

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<v Speaker 2>One of those cool retro touches is the mudflaps that

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<v Speaker 2>have little straps holding them.

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<v Speaker 1>In places behind them. Are it's really cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's hop in barrier and drive it. Oh, that's

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<v Speaker 2>not a real expensive sound.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a little tinny.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you would get in the old f J

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred and it was just like a bank vault.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really nice horizontal elevator.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and super super damped and you'd never hear that

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<v Speaker 1>vibration coming out the door panel.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's real tinny. And I think the materials in

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<v Speaker 2>here are nice enough. But it's clearly that this has

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<v Speaker 2>been built to a lower price.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, and it's way more affordable, and the

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<v Speaker 1>old land Cruiser priced itself out of relevance. The Lex

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<v Speaker 1>sort of took over that buyer and Toyota to relaunch this.

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<v Speaker 1>They wanted to actually sell the land Cruise.

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<v Speaker 2>That one started at eighty seven grand and it was

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<v Speaker 2>on to reach for most people. But this one starts

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<v Speaker 2>at fifty seven grand, although the one we're sitting in

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<v Speaker 2>is seventy six thousand dollars. This first edition so not

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<v Speaker 2>such a huge delta from the old.

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<v Speaker 1>It's aimed right at the meat of the market, where

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<v Speaker 1>the Bronco.

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<v Speaker 3>Plays, where the Wrangler plays.

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<v Speaker 1>And interestingly, where are the Forerunners going to play? Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think Jeep finally found the top of where you

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<v Speaker 1>can price a Jeep. I think the three ninety two

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<v Speaker 1>at over eighty thousand dollars, I think is pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>as expensive as as an off roader.

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<v Speaker 3>But have you driven that thing?

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<v Speaker 2>It's wild, it wild, It's really hilarious. This is you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a return to the roots, as you said, of

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<v Speaker 2>a more affordable land.

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<v Speaker 3>Cruiser, and I think they've positioned it smartly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's more of a Toyota. The land Cruiser had

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<v Speaker 1>sort of turned into Alexis, and then they built Alexis

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<v Speaker 1>out of it, and then Lexus sort of was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is our vehicle now, and then the land Cruiser

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<v Speaker 1>reinvented itself in a way at fifty percent less money.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think the interior is you know, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>good fifty thousand dollars interior. Some vinyl wrapping here. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it looks kind of like leather. It feels a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit like leather. The gauges look great.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's fully modern in that way, but it's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of upright in old school Toyota at the same time too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it feels very utilitarian in here, and there's lots

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<v Speaker 2>of buttons and knobs, which I like. You have a

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<v Speaker 2>Molde select knob here, a drive mode button. You have

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<v Speaker 2>crawl mode, hill descent control. You have your locking center diff,

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<v Speaker 2>you have your locking rear diff. You have the ability

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<v Speaker 2>to disconnect the anti roll bars to get more off

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<v Speaker 2>road traction. You got a switch for high four and

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<v Speaker 2>low four. So it looks toally legit, but it's also

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<v Speaker 2>something that you can just drive as in every day.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's the hybrid powertrain shared with the Tacoma, so

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<v Speaker 1>you get a tiny bit of electric power and better

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<v Speaker 1>fuel economy than g X five to fifty. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the combined fuel economy number is in the low twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>around twenty two or twenty three miles a gallon.

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<v Speaker 3>That's pretty good. Well, let's take it off road and

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<v Speaker 3>see what's up. All right, buckle up, we've got our

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<v Speaker 3>off road flag.

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<v Speaker 2>We're at Bundy Hill off Road Park in beautiful Jerome, Michigan,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is a place where we come to play

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<v Speaker 2>on occasion. I think we've taken the bronco here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we'll bring comparison tests here and test out vehicles

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<v Speaker 1>see how well they can do off road.

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<v Speaker 3>I also love there are a couple handles here.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, on the A pillar and the A I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>look at how upright these A pillars are.

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<v Speaker 3>It's great.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great panoramic, kind of widescreen TV effect. We

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<v Speaker 2>are off roading solo. Are you locked up? Are we

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<v Speaker 2>already stuck in here?

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<v Speaker 3>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>We're not stuck, just creeping through a real slow that

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<v Speaker 1>we're in tipping. You're still in high four though I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not quite ready for low Okay, we just got over

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<v Speaker 1>our first obstacle. I didn't hear too much scraping.

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<v Speaker 3>No, everything is still in working.

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<v Speaker 1>Order, and now it's in hybrid mode.

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<v Speaker 3>Silently creeping through this sand pit here.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of eerie.

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<v Speaker 2>It is weird, but we're saving the environment by trampling

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<v Speaker 2>on it.

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<v Speaker 1>The off road park. I think the speed limit here

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<v Speaker 1>is ten miles an hour. I'm going five miles an

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<v Speaker 1>hour very gingerly as we traverse this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and off roading is the most fun way to

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<v Speaker 2>go five miles an hour that's right. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>funny thinking about this versus the Ford Bronco. The Ford

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<v Speaker 2>Bronco has all sorts of trick electronic stuff, like that

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<v Speaker 2>trail turn that'll pivot the vehicle like around a tree

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<v Speaker 2>and really decreasing the turning radius by breaking the inside wheel.

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<v Speaker 3>It gives you all sorts of video spotters.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, the Bronco is really going after the

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<v Speaker 2>Jeep and really trying to out jeep the Jeep.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not doing that. No, I mean, it still

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<v Speaker 1>functions as a regular suv. It's pretty quiet on the highway,

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<v Speaker 1>a fuel economies DC and.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't have those crazy knobby tires. Yeah, that's why I

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<v Speaker 2>get with the Sasquatch package.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll leave that to the aftermarket and the old man

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<v Speaker 1>Emo lift kit.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, and there will be a healthy, healthy aftermarket

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<v Speaker 2>for this thing.

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<v Speaker 3>So what are your first impressions. It's pretty unfazed.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's funny is it's a hybrid, so it's doing

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<v Speaker 1>what hybrids do at low speeds and we're just running

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<v Speaker 1>on electric motors and it's completely silent there the engine

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<v Speaker 1>just kicked on.

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<v Speaker 3>That's very cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it says bottomless dump over there. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>we want to. No, that's not over there.

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't look appealing at all. So we're just traversing

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<v Speaker 1>some off road trails. We've got it all the way

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<v Speaker 1>up to twelve miles an hour. The ride's really nice too.

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<v Speaker 1>It is nice, huge, really plush. Yeah, does not beat

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<v Speaker 1>you up at all. And on the road. The structure

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<v Speaker 1>of this truck feels really solid. I was worried it

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<v Speaker 1>was going to feel like the previous generation Tacoma, which

0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:55.120
<v Speaker 1>felt like there was no structure underneath you. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>really solid. But I am missing the old Lancruiser had

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<v Speaker 1>this wonderful the steering that felt like it was loobed

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<v Speaker 1>by cold molasses.

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<v Speaker 3>Ye.

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<v Speaker 1>And it gave the truck this like invincible feel almost,

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<v Speaker 1>And it felt like you were driving this ten thousand

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<v Speaker 1>pound vehicle just because it forced you to slow down.

0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:14.679
<v Speaker 1>It forced you to just not put any inputs in

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<v Speaker 1>that we're big and this one is more normal, so

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<v Speaker 1>I think. But people appreciate this, but I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>missed the old one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. The last one is like piloting a cargo ship.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's right, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think our biggest risk to life and limb.

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<v Speaker 2>Here is cutting a tire on one of these rocks, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, it's pretty easy. One of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>you want in an off rudder, too, is a really

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<v Speaker 1>predictable accelerator pedal, so that you can feed in just

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<v Speaker 1>the right amount of throttle. You can feed in just

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<v Speaker 1>everything perfectly, and this really does that, even in hybrid mode.

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<v Speaker 1>It just gives you the torque that you need, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's very predictable.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just in the passenger seat right now, but it

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<v Speaker 2>seems like a pretty easy vehicle to place.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I can see every corner of it. I can

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<v Speaker 1>see exactly where the back window is. I can see

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<v Speaker 1>the front corners perfectly. And then Toyota has lowered the

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<v Speaker 1>side glass too relative to the windshield, so I can

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<v Speaker 1>see out my door really well too.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go up.

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<v Speaker 1>This is giving climb this.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, you might need to modify your settings.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, Let's let's lock up the center diff.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'll lock up the rear diff. A couple of buttons,

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<v Speaker 3>why not belt and suspenders.

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<v Speaker 1>On a pair of sands and belts. Let's put it

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<v Speaker 1>in dirt. Okay, it doesn't have an air suspension, so

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<v Speaker 1>we're not lifting it. The ground clearance stays at eight

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<v Speaker 1>point seven inches no matter what you do, unless you

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<v Speaker 1>put larger tires on it. Now we're climbing this grade.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not having any trouble whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 3>No, that's super easy.

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<v Speaker 1>There's some big rocks at the end of it. It

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<v Speaker 1>also has a big skin play up front too. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a little more treacherous on the downslope, So

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna put it in. Let's see how their hill

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<v Speaker 1>descent control works. Call it DAC crawl. So if we

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<v Speaker 1>hit the crawl button, we can adjust the max speed

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<v Speaker 1>that it's going to go. So let's go all the

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<v Speaker 1>way down to two. You can go as high as

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen as well.

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<v Speaker 3>That seems so it's going to use the breaks.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to use the brakes to slow us down here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, eighteen seems a little Yeah, it's a little aggressive.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, and it's holding it right at two. Oh I

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<v Speaker 1>just saw three, but we're going back to two. Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just so easy.

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<v Speaker 1>It takes all the thought out of it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like an autonomous vehicle.

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<v Speaker 1>All I have to do is steer and avoid the

0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:26.960
<v Speaker 1>really big ruds. Not exactly new technology, but adjusting it's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's climb this little hill here. It looks like it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty steep up top. So it's going to test the

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<v Speaker 1>breakover angle, which is actually better than the old land Cruiser. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>It has the same approach angle as the old one,

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<v Speaker 2>but a better breakover angle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and on the same wheelbase. We're at the top

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<v Speaker 1>making a tight left. It's gonna lean a little back

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<v Speaker 1>into the crawl and just make this super easy on ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Park parking warning.

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<v Speaker 3>Rock ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice. Okay, that was easy.

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<v Speaker 3>That's good.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's been easy so far, which is good. Can

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<v Speaker 1>I take a Yeah, you want to try it? I

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<v Speaker 1>go watch the door slam.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, there it is again.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what your Uber passenger rating is, but

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<v Speaker 1>mine's pretty high because I don't slam the doors, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not really even pushing. I'm not even slamming the

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<v Speaker 1>door that hard and it's making that noise.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a great tip. By the way, don't slam

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<v Speaker 2>your Uber driver's door.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you won't get a five star rating. That looks

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<v Speaker 1>a little That looks a little too eight me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a little narrow. Yeah. The electric assist allows this

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<v Speaker 1>four cylinder to bump up to four hundred and sixty

0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:55.640
<v Speaker 1>five pound feet of torque. But it does have a

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<v Speaker 1>really small battery and the pedal's nice.

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<v Speaker 3>It is nice and it's very easy to modulate.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh there's another breakover angle test. There we go, No problem.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do it old style hill descent just

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<v Speaker 2>by breaking. That's a little bit more fun. But that

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't all that challenging.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that. There's no steering kickback, that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're not getting any weird kind of phases where

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<v Speaker 2>the steering goes light or it kicks back in your.

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<v Speaker 1>Hand, right. I haven't seen it snap once. And we're

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<v Speaker 1>going over stuff that's kicking the body around, for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>But good tip off roading.

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<v Speaker 2>Do not hook your thumbs into the spokes of the

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<v Speaker 2>wheel like you might do on road, because if there

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<v Speaker 2>is kickback, to break your thumbs or at least give

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<v Speaker 2>you a little because that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, we're getting a little crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we are. I wouldn't go in there. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>let me back.

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<v Speaker 1>You can turn around. Okay, there's a sign on the

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<v Speaker 1>tree that says wild.

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<v Speaker 2>This is where that trail turned feature on the Bronco

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<v Speaker 2>would really help. Yeah, which is not making a fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>point turn here, try not to hit the tree.

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<v Speaker 1>This is where spotters would help as well. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>the plushness of the ride is really pretty sure. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>there's not even that much head toss, right, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>getting thrown around that much. It's got all this initial compliance.

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<v Speaker 3>Breakover angle over angle test pretty incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>There it goes. I mean you can see the corner perfectly,

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<v Speaker 1>which have allowed you to avoid that tree. Very very

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<v Speaker 1>tight turning radius, which is nice. Hey, it really makes

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<v Speaker 1>everything seem pretty easy.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, it really is easy. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>These mirrors are great because you can see both sides

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<v Speaker 2>of the car the whole way down.

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<v Speaker 3>It really is good spotting.

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<v Speaker 1>And well we have an inklinometer.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a nice little inklinometer like the.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the really old landcruisers had that too.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a great touch and nice. Okay, let's exit out

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<v Speaker 3>of here.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't heard it scrape once.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, don't know if that's talent too soon.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's our driving talent or the

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<v Speaker 1>breakover angle on the ground clearance. Oh there it is.

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<v Speaker 1>There's the front nice.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh look at that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so this front camera gives you kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>ghosted view of your front wheel angle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like the car is gone in front of

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<v Speaker 1>you and you just see the tires.

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<v Speaker 2>That's wild. I don't want to spend too much time

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<v Speaker 2>looking at it, though, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think you should drive those time with.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you have an onboard spotter. It kicks off

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<v Speaker 1>at about five miles an hour. Six miles an hour though.

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<v Speaker 3>Very cool because it figures if.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going that quickly spotter.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we decently challenged this thing and it came

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<v Speaker 2>through with flying colors. It did easy, did not break

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<v Speaker 2>a sweat. No, And like you said, it is extraordinarily

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<v Speaker 2>comfortable inside.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm shocked at how comfortable it is. I've gone off

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<v Speaker 1>roading and stuff and just been made nausey because you

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<v Speaker 1>get thrown around so much. It's hard to believe that

0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:08.520
<v Speaker 1>the dimensions are so similar to the old land Cruiser,

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<v Speaker 1>because this feels so much tidier and so much smaller

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<v Speaker 1>when you're driving it. And some of that's a function

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<v Speaker 1>of the control feel and the lighter steering, but it

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<v Speaker 1>just feels way more manageable out here. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>not an off road course. It's designed for really wide vehicles,

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<v Speaker 1>ain't there.

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<v Speaker 2>No, and you sit a little bit higher, it feels

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<v Speaker 2>like there's a much higher age point in this vehicle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's some of that's the lower glass

0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:32.160
<v Speaker 1>on the side windows. It's not quite the original range

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<v Speaker 1>rover where if you're driving down the road people could

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<v Speaker 1>see your hips, but at least people can see you

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<v Speaker 1>see your wallet.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly.

0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:43.520
<v Speaker 2>But incredibly comfortable, incredibly smooth, and at odds with the

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<v Speaker 2>tiny sound of the doors.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the ride refinement is extraordinary. It is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's shocking, very fun I mean, this is cool, the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that this can do all this without really breaking

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<v Speaker 2>a sweat and perform all the functions in need of

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<v Speaker 2>a regular sort of family vehicle without paying much price

0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:05.399
<v Speaker 2>for it.

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<v Speaker 1>On the road, it's pretty nice on the road. And

0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:09.640
<v Speaker 1>you were mentioning that the steering doesn't kick you back here,

0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:12.520
<v Speaker 1>which usually means that the steering is completely aloof and

0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:15.760
<v Speaker 1>numb on road, and it's not. It's pretty responsive. It's

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<v Speaker 1>easy to drive in the highway, it's super easy to

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<v Speaker 1>keep in your lane, works really well. I always feel

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<v Speaker 1>like when I can't find my way out of one

0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:25.280
<v Speaker 1>of these places, it's like a little.

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<v Speaker 3>Blair Witch Project.

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<v Speaker 1>Just go to the cottage at the back of the like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure we just passed that lake. We crossed

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<v Speaker 1>over that like seven times for some reason.

0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:37.000
<v Speaker 3>Tell you that.

0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Note what they're doing off road, executing something like this

0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:42.679
<v Speaker 2>that has such a dual nature.

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<v Speaker 3>It's pretty spectacular.

0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:49.200
<v Speaker 1>This is quickly going to turn into a lost scenario

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<v Speaker 1>where we find out we've died in her in this

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<v Speaker 1>off the road park for the rest of our existence.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when we get out of here, it'll be twenty

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<v Speaker 2>sixty three.

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<v Speaker 1>And there'll still be a Toyota land Cruiser.

0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:06.600
<v Speaker 3>This will have gone up in value tremendously.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that looks like an exit.

0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:14.840
<v Speaker 2>I see the ramshackle buildings. I see the corrugated tin hunts.

0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:17.920
<v Speaker 3>We didn't die. No, we're back among the living.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we still don't know what year.

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<v Speaker 3>It is.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we made it good good. That was fun.

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<v Speaker 1>It was fun. It was surprisingly easy, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we didn't go up the eighty five percent grades.

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<v Speaker 1>No, we didn't do anything too crazy, but we did

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<v Speaker 1>test out the ground clearance and the breakover angle and

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<v Speaker 1>the approach angle and the departure angle.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, it's also incredible is how quiet this

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<v Speaker 2>thing is. Everything has a great kind of veneer of refinement.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't hear the structure creaking at all, not or

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<v Speaker 1>any of that. You don't hear the suspension moving around.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of off roaders, you just constantly hear the

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<v Speaker 1>suspension moving around.

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<v Speaker 2>It felt like there was no torsional weirdness. Good stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>Bank in park.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. Cool.

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<v Speaker 3>We may have made it out of the sand pit,

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<v Speaker 3>but we aren't out of the woods yet with this

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<v Speaker 3>new land Cruiser.

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<v Speaker 1>Luckily.

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<v Speaker 2>After the break, we're sitting down with Toyota's Marcus Umwalf

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<v Speaker 2>to answer our lingering questions about the truck. Welcome back

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<v Speaker 2>to car and drivers into Cars.

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<v Speaker 1>To answer some of our lingering questions, we're joined today

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<v Speaker 1>by Marcus Umlauf, Toyota's general manager in charge of truck strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>That means Marcus looks over the Tundra and Tacoma pickups,

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<v Speaker 1>the Sequoia, the Forerunner, and the land Cruiser subs. If

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<v Speaker 1>it's body on frame and it's a Toyota, Marcus is

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<v Speaker 1>responsible for it. An avid off roader, Marcus developed Toyota

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<v Speaker 1>racing development vehicles in Australia before making the move to

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. Welcome to into cars.

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<v Speaker 4>Marcus, Hey, Tony, You've great to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>So Marcus has head of strategy for Toyota Truck. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>talk a little bit about land cruiser strategy. While the

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<v Speaker 2>lex six hundred continues on the three hundred series version

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<v Speaker 2>of TGAF, this is only two fifty. It's last of

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<v Speaker 2>luxury oriented. So why did you guys make that switch

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<v Speaker 2>and put the land crews around two fifty and Stata

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a really luxurious position to be in to say,

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<v Speaker 4>we've got a lot of choices, and a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>this came from the new platform. So as we developed

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<v Speaker 4>the new F one platform, this is the first time

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<v Speaker 4>I've been able to come up with a platform for

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<v Speaker 4>all of our trucks at the same time and really

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<v Speaker 4>considering like how would this execute as a full size pickup,

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<v Speaker 4>as a mid sized pickup, as a Lexus product, or

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<v Speaker 4>a Toyder product. And I think being able to start

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<v Speaker 4>with that clean sheet of saying what should that platform

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<v Speaker 4>be that's going to serve all of these different purposes,

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<v Speaker 4>it was a really good opportunity. Stepping back from there,

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<v Speaker 4>we now have a bunch of tools, so we say, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>so I mean the platform lead was three hundred series Lancers,

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<v Speaker 4>so that was the first vehicle on the platform, very

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<v Speaker 4>closely followed by Tundra. We had Sequoya LX really surrounding

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<v Speaker 4>out that full size execution on that platform. Then we said, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>how do we do a slightly smaller version of that

0:24:02.760 --> 0:24:04.760
<v Speaker 4>two fifty series was a case of saying and the

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<v Speaker 4>way I best sort of framed this is we have

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<v Speaker 4>global vehicle with lan Cruiser, and we have a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of regional vehicles, so let's say Sequoia forur Runner, they

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<v Speaker 4>are very let's call it North American specific. So we've

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<v Speaker 4>got the benefit here of saying, hey, we've got a

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<v Speaker 4>global truck in land Cruiser, we also have a full

0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:22.920
<v Speaker 4>size suv in Sequoia, and now for the first time,

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<v Speaker 4>Sequoia gets a lot of the benefits of three hundred

0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:27.680
<v Speaker 4>series land Cruiser already built into the truck, but at

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<v Speaker 4>a scale it really is for the US market. So

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<v Speaker 4>it was a chance and from the very outset of saying, look,

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<v Speaker 4>what should lan Cruise be, how do we take lan

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<v Speaker 4>Cruiser back to its origins? And really the LC two

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<v Speaker 4>fifty is really ideally where that should be.

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<v Speaker 2>I do a follow up question to that, Marcus, was

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<v Speaker 2>there any internal concern about moving from an eight to

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<v Speaker 2>a four and going lower in price and changing the

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<v Speaker 2>sort of brand position and aligning it more with Tacoma

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<v Speaker 2>forour runner. Did anybody feel like they were devaluing the vehicle?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think so, and I think it at its

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<v Speaker 4>very simplest, it's recognizing who the land Cruiser customers really are.

0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:08.080
<v Speaker 4>I mean lank Cruise, who has been a name plate

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<v Speaker 4>that has been around for so long. People that know

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<v Speaker 4>land Cruiser love land Cruiser, and frankly, I mean lank

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<v Speaker 4>Cruiser had really started to drift to become something that

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<v Speaker 4>really wasn't the origins of lan Cruiser. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 4>were selling a handful of equals a year. It was

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<v Speaker 4>a fantastic truck, but it was to a very small

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<v Speaker 4>part of the market. And so how do we take

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<v Speaker 4>it back to where it should be. We want to

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<v Speaker 4>be able to have a truck that's more accessible for

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<v Speaker 4>price point, a truck that has the right spec for

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<v Speaker 4>people in terms of what they actually want to do

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<v Speaker 4>with the land Cruiser, and so it was a great

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<v Speaker 4>opportunity for us to bring that back so.

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<v Speaker 1>Marcus, now that the land Cruiser has moved down to

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<v Speaker 1>price point, it moves a little closer to four Runner.

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<v Speaker 1>So how does the land Cruiser fit into the lineup

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<v Speaker 1>with the newly announced for Runner.

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<v Speaker 4>These are two tools to compete in one really competitive segment.

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<v Speaker 4>So if I looked about historically, we had four Runner,

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<v Speaker 4>which was one tool to compete against everything the rugged

0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:59.200
<v Speaker 4>suv space, I mean it's super competitive, super passionate, there's

0:25:59.200 --> 0:26:01.600
<v Speaker 4>some great product there, and we had one tool to

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<v Speaker 4>compete there. It was very intentional to say, if we

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<v Speaker 4>have two tools, how do they both play there? So

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<v Speaker 4>we have the global tool with land Cruiser, which has

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<v Speaker 4>the heritage, it's more boxy, it's more rugged, it really

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<v Speaker 4>has that global DNA. And then how do we take

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<v Speaker 4>four Runner back to be Also for Runner is really

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<v Speaker 4>a story of return to its roots. If we look

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<v Speaker 4>at first and second gen four Runner, it used to

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<v Speaker 4>be tied to the pickup truck, so it's a little cheekyer,

0:26:24.280 --> 0:26:26.439
<v Speaker 4>it's a little sportier. It was important to us to

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<v Speaker 4>say they have to have their own role. So four

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<v Speaker 4>Runner has got a wider range of powertrains, so it

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<v Speaker 4>really is the high volume, broader coverage type vehicle, which

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<v Speaker 4>is our regional truck. I mean it very much is

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<v Speaker 4>a North American truck. We then have the global truck,

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<v Speaker 4>which is so globally renowned, but it's a simpler strategy.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's really a case of if you want a

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<v Speaker 4>land Cruiser, you buy a land Cruiser. Four Runner really

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<v Speaker 4>appeals to a whole bunch of other people, But at

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<v Speaker 4>the end of the day, I think it's going to

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<v Speaker 4>boil down to choice. People just have two great products

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<v Speaker 4>that they can really choose which is the best fit

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<v Speaker 4>for them.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's our understanding that Toyota, and I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>a few can confirm or deny this while still keeping

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<v Speaker 2>your job. Has an internal measure for our durability that

0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:09.320
<v Speaker 2>has three categories. Cars are the first category as the

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:13.320
<v Speaker 2>least rugged and durable. The second category is a higher

0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:15.000
<v Speaker 2>level up for most of the truck line, and the

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<v Speaker 2>highest level the most durable third tier with something like

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<v Speaker 2>a ten year lifespan of never being driven on paved road.

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<v Speaker 2>Does the land crews are still abide by that In

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<v Speaker 2>this two point fifty iteration.

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<v Speaker 4>Eighty first and foremost, A really love my job, so

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not going to do anything like that. So everything

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<v Speaker 4>I came to keep my job. But Link Cruiser is

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<v Speaker 4>a fascinating nine plate and without going on too much

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<v Speaker 4>of a dangent, there is a huge amount of respect

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<v Speaker 4>for it and the huge amount of honestly responsibility to

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<v Speaker 4>protect what that is. And so I think you're exactly

0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:50.359
<v Speaker 4>rought that there were levels of durability and severity that

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<v Speaker 4>all of it vehicles attested to. As you can imagine,

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<v Speaker 4>we have globally so much variation in terms of markets,

0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:58.919
<v Speaker 4>in terms of usage, in terms of expectation, and vehicles

0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:02.119
<v Speaker 4>need to be developed appropriate. What a best sum up

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<v Speaker 4>with lan Cruiser is we understand the customer really well

0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:08.040
<v Speaker 4>and we make sure that land Cruiser is a lan Cruiser.

0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:10.879
<v Speaker 4>And so when it comes to specifications and things like that,

0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:14.359
<v Speaker 4>it's not as simple as saying this must survive ten years.

0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:17.280
<v Speaker 4>It must say, okay, how is the customer using this

0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:20.679
<v Speaker 4>truck and then what is their expectation to survive? So

0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:23.440
<v Speaker 4>when we look at severity the way that we rate severity,

0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:25.960
<v Speaker 4>there's so many different things. Is it about heat, is

0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:28.119
<v Speaker 4>it about dust? Is it about water? Is it about

0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:31.000
<v Speaker 4>how rough that road is? And we talk about Toyter's

0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:34.320
<v Speaker 4>renowned for Genji gemboots, So go and see and very

0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:36.520
<v Speaker 4>much this is almost the epitome of You've got to

0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:37.920
<v Speaker 4>go and see it. You've got to go and talk

0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:40.040
<v Speaker 4>to these customers. You've got to be in a crocodile

0:28:40.080 --> 0:28:41.800
<v Speaker 4>infested river in Australia. You've got to be in a

0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:43.720
<v Speaker 4>mind sight somewhere. You're going to be sort of in

0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:46.200
<v Speaker 4>the middle of this engine somewhere to really understand how

0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:49.320
<v Speaker 4>are people using these vehicles. And it's not a case

0:28:49.320 --> 0:28:51.720
<v Speaker 4>of saying, here's just one test that doesn't it's a

0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:54.520
<v Speaker 4>case of saying, if I know how the customer is

0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:58.480
<v Speaker 4>using this and their expectation to it's not just it'll

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<v Speaker 4>get me there, but it will get me back and

0:29:00.280 --> 0:29:03.200
<v Speaker 4>it's easy to repair that it's reliable that if that

0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:05.080
<v Speaker 4>really is the core tenet, If we know what they

0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:07.440
<v Speaker 4>do and we protect that someone can trust the land

0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:09.600
<v Speaker 4>Cruizer to do it, That's really what it boils down to.

0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:12.080
<v Speaker 4>I'm not dodging the question there as opposed to as

0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:14.560
<v Speaker 4>much as it's a case of saying, there's so many layers.

0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:16.000
<v Speaker 4>What we just need to do is make sure that

0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:17.880
<v Speaker 4>we can actually test to that we might create a

0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 4>new test of saying, hey, we just saw that someone

0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:22.800
<v Speaker 4>in a mind side in Australia is basically catching all

0:29:22.840 --> 0:29:24.960
<v Speaker 4>of this mud underneath this truck and it's pulling wiring

0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 4>harnesses off. How do we make sure that we test

0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:29.000
<v Speaker 4>for that? And so it's really a case of saying,

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:32.560
<v Speaker 4>what's the real world test, not necessarily just the standardized

0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:33.440
<v Speaker 4>test that would be run.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you talk about the decision to kill the land

0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:38.080
<v Speaker 1>Cruiser in twenty twenty one, Why not continue to build

0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:39.560
<v Speaker 1>it until the new one came out? Did you have

0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:41.600
<v Speaker 1>to kill it to relaunch it? What was the story there?

0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 1>Because Alex came out pretty quickly, it did.

0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:46.280
<v Speaker 4>And Tony, we didn't kill land Cruiser. Lan Cruiser had

0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:48.400
<v Speaker 4>little pause until it was ready to come back, and

0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:49.840
<v Speaker 4>that's really how it played out. And a lot of

0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:53.040
<v Speaker 4>it was Cadencer platform. So as that full sized platform

0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:55.640
<v Speaker 4>went to three hundred series, we see how two hundred

0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:58.040
<v Speaker 4>series stopped. So we had to cease with production of

0:29:58.040 --> 0:30:00.560
<v Speaker 4>two hundred series as it rolled out there, it was

0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:03.160
<v Speaker 4>really Sequoia was our next product which was coming to

0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:06.480
<v Speaker 4>fit into that space. So full sized body on frame,

0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:09.200
<v Speaker 4>rugged suv. We now have the benefits of that three

0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:12.760
<v Speaker 4>hundred series development Sequoya comes out there. I think a

0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 4>lot of what people couldn't see coming was like, don't worry,

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 4>we have an answer, and I'll tell you a funny story.

0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:19.840
<v Speaker 4>I was. I was speaking at the land Cruise in museum,

0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:22.240
<v Speaker 4>and so at the time, we had killed land Cruiser,

0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:24.240
<v Speaker 4>and I basically said, you're either the bravest guy or

0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:26.360
<v Speaker 4>the dumbest guy to turn up into a whole audience

0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:29.600
<v Speaker 4>of Lanceruise enthusiasts after killing the land Cruiser, but I

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 4>couldn't tell them what was coming, And knowing full will

0:30:32.080 --> 0:30:34.720
<v Speaker 4>that Lane Cruiser was coming back in the form that

0:30:34.720 --> 0:30:36.880
<v Speaker 4>it really should be in for the US market was

0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:38.760
<v Speaker 4>really exciting, and so I'd sort of called it. It

0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 4>was really a pause until the product Cadence could actually

0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:43.320
<v Speaker 4>get it back into there. But it was really a

0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:44.400
<v Speaker 4>pause rather than the death.

0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:49.480
<v Speaker 2>Marcus, He's spoken a little bit about how Toyota adapts

0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:53.520
<v Speaker 2>different cars and different platforms, different trucks to different environments

0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:56.680
<v Speaker 2>in different countries and different use cases.

0:30:56.880 --> 0:30:57.480
<v Speaker 3>Can you talk a.

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<v Speaker 2>Little bit about how Australia is different from the US

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of how they use their vehicles. What is

0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:07.000
<v Speaker 2>the off running culture, Like I mean is there a

0:31:07.000 --> 0:31:10.520
<v Speaker 2>lot of cosplay where you know, people get the most

0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:14.560
<v Speaker 2>rugged g wagon or whatever they can and just drive

0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:16.080
<v Speaker 2>it to aroin or whatever.

0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:21.400
<v Speaker 4>In the US, absolutely, so probably the number one thing

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:23.840
<v Speaker 4>in Australia is you assume that everything's going to kill you.

0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:28.000
<v Speaker 4>So if you start with that assumption, then everything exactly,

0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:29.200
<v Speaker 4>so you sort of start with that assumption.

0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:31.240
<v Speaker 1>The aroline in Australia is legal.

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<v Speaker 4>The fascinating thing about the Australian market and this is why,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I've got a lot of Australian experience, but

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<v Speaker 4>here permanently in the US, because there is so many

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<v Speaker 4>similarities in terms of the lost style and what people

0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:47.920
<v Speaker 4>do with their trucks and SUVs is very similar. So

0:31:48.000 --> 0:31:50.240
<v Speaker 4>people really want to enable a loft style with this.

0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:52.880
<v Speaker 4>So whether it's their pickup trucks, whether it's their SUVs,

0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:55.440
<v Speaker 4>they want to be able to tow, they haul, They

0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:57.800
<v Speaker 4>use it for vacation, they use it for off roading.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's a huge recreational cult. There's also a very

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<v Speaker 4>practical culture as well that these are a tool of

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<v Speaker 4>trade for many people, and so I think there's a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of similarities in how people use it or why

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<v Speaker 4>they want to use it. The difference has really probably

0:32:11.280 --> 0:32:14.080
<v Speaker 4>come in into the environment and just how far. The

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<v Speaker 4>biggest difference that I draw here is it's really hard

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<v Speaker 4>to find two gas stations in the US that are

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<v Speaker 4>all that far away from each other. You might struggle

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<v Speaker 4>to find maybe one hundred miles or something like that.

0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:26.960
<v Speaker 4>These place is in Australia where you will actually go

0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:29.479
<v Speaker 4>on travel and you have to carry extra fuel because

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<v Speaker 4>it is the distance is too much. So a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of it is the distance, it's the remote nature and

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<v Speaker 4>frankly the fact that I mean, if you do get

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<v Speaker 4>stuck out there, you die. It's a pretty remote and

0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:40.240
<v Speaker 4>dangerous place to be. But the reason why people are

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<v Speaker 4>doing is really similar.

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<v Speaker 1>Marcus. How long are we going to see barty on

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<v Speaker 1>frame vehicles in the mass market? Is it going to

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<v Speaker 1>be like the old nine to eleven story where the

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<v Speaker 1>line just goes on and on and on and on

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<v Speaker 1>and on and on forever. And yeah, I guess if

0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:56.040
<v Speaker 1>you make them heavy enough they escape some regulations too.

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<v Speaker 1>So as the future really break for body on frame

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<v Speaker 1>vehicles at Toyota.

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<v Speaker 4>So, Donny, I'd get a little pilosophical with you and say,

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<v Speaker 4>what is body on frame and it's really a case

0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:08.360
<v Speaker 4>of you're marrying a platform with a different upper body.

0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:10.680
<v Speaker 4>And when we actually look at even where a lot

0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:13.040
<v Speaker 4>of dedicated evs have gone, they've got to skateboard that

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<v Speaker 4>marry with an upper body. It's really more about what's

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<v Speaker 4>the evolution of platforms that you can electrify a platform

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<v Speaker 4>you can still have the ruggedness and the strength that

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<v Speaker 4>you can go off roading, that you can actually still

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<v Speaker 4>have a thirteen twelve thousand pound towing capacity, you still

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<v Speaker 4>can haul. So I think it's going to be how

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<v Speaker 4>do you have platforms that evolve to be able to

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<v Speaker 4>do that? But I think necessarily it's not a case

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<v Speaker 4>of body on frame evolution. It's really a case of

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<v Speaker 4>how do you marry a platform with an upper body

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<v Speaker 4>in a smart way?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's interesting, and I think you're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>to sell the customers on that because they expect body

0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:47.120
<v Speaker 1>on frame to look a certain way. And there's also

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<v Speaker 1>a theory that American cars were never comfortable not being

0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:53.040
<v Speaker 1>body on frame. That's why Americans love body on frame.

0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 1>So basically, you know, a Catillac Escalade is very close

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<v Speaker 1>to a seventies car. I mean it's a V eight

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<v Speaker 1>and a body on frame. So that's an Americans are

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<v Speaker 1>very comfortable with an understand So even when it evolves,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're going to have to commence customers for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>For sure, and at the end of the day, I'd

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<v Speaker 4>also argue I think there's a large group of customers

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<v Speaker 4>that just want to have the right end product. I

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<v Speaker 4>think there's a lot of enthusiasts that understand the architecture

0:34:15.880 --> 0:34:17.920
<v Speaker 4>of the vehicle. There's a lot of others that probably

0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:19.799
<v Speaker 4>come along and say, does it have the performance, does

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<v Speaker 4>it have the strength, does have the space? I think

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<v Speaker 4>if you could execute a really good product for the customer,

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<v Speaker 4>whether it's an suv or a pickup truck, and you've

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<v Speaker 4>got a slightly different architecture, sure you're going to have

0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:32.160
<v Speaker 4>some people that will sort of debate how you got there.

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<v Speaker 4>There's also a lot of people if you can do

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<v Speaker 4>it right and you don't make them compromise, then I

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<v Speaker 4>think they're really going to judge the end product and

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<v Speaker 4>how that comes out.

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<v Speaker 1>Marcus, I hear you have a seventy two scout project.

0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:44.480
<v Speaker 1>How's that coming along? What can you tell us about that?

0:34:45.280 --> 0:34:46.600
<v Speaker 1>So you're not going to give me a hard time?

0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:50.160
<v Speaker 1>For it not being a Twitter. Ok, there's a new

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<v Speaker 1>Scout coming too, but what do they say.

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<v Speaker 4>About the forbidden?

0:34:53.360 --> 0:34:53.560
<v Speaker 2>For it?

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<v Speaker 4>When you grow up in a world of when there's

0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:58.040
<v Speaker 4>lankers is everywhere, and then you come to the US

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<v Speaker 4>and you find something new and unique, it's pretty exciting

0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:03.360
<v Speaker 4>and and actually a little bit of the backstory is

0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:06.399
<v Speaker 4>our first family tractor in Australia was a nineteen thirty

0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:09.400
<v Speaker 4>nine International h Model and so I had an infinity.

0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:11.080
<v Speaker 4>I said, hang on, so he's a really cool truck.

0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:13.640
<v Speaker 4>Buy a tractor company that I have an affinity too,

0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:15.799
<v Speaker 4>So I had to buy it. So this was a

0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:19.880
<v Speaker 4>COVID project. The price was right, and I completely undersold

0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:21.279
<v Speaker 4>the amount of time to my wife it was going

0:35:21.320 --> 0:35:24.120
<v Speaker 4>to take to work on it. But it it's been

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<v Speaker 4>a great project with my boys to really sort of

0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:28.440
<v Speaker 4>teach a sixteen year old here a cobrette works and

0:35:28.480 --> 0:35:30.920
<v Speaker 4>rebuild a cabaretta and a murder and I just love

0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:33.600
<v Speaker 4>the simplicity of something designed by a tractor company. It

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<v Speaker 4>had a one ninety six and I got a three

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<v Speaker 4>forty five, And literally the one ninety six is just

0:35:38.520 --> 0:35:40.680
<v Speaker 4>half of a three ninety two. So the vel train

0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:43.240
<v Speaker 4>comes across. I mean they just left four cylinders off.

0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:45.840
<v Speaker 1>So oh yeah, it had that giant four cylinder engine.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, so I got it with that. But it's literally

0:35:47.680 --> 0:35:50.080
<v Speaker 4>half a V eight, so it's you can use so

0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:52.560
<v Speaker 4>many parts, so anyway without geeking out, I just love

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:55.040
<v Speaker 4>the practicality of a tractor company that says, when you

0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:57.080
<v Speaker 4>use the same parts, we'll just build four cylinders and

0:35:57.160 --> 0:35:59.160
<v Speaker 4>V eights and it's yeah, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Necessity, yeah, absolutely, just like Lamborghini. My favorite design element

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<v Speaker 1>inside is that the land Cruiser says Toyota written out

0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:11.520
<v Speaker 1>in script instead of having the Toyota badge inside on

0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:14.640
<v Speaker 1>the airbag hub. So I saw that and I was like, yes,

0:36:14.719 --> 0:36:16.880
<v Speaker 1>they got it right, they know what That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 4>That's awesome. I'll got to tell you, Tony. I was

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<v Speaker 4>really excited when I saw the very first concept sketch

0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:24.560
<v Speaker 4>with Kevin Hunt and the Keelty team little side story.

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<v Speaker 4>The thing that's really exciting is the concept and what

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<v Speaker 4>came out the other side are so similar. So sometimes

0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:32.840
<v Speaker 4>when you actually put it through the big sausage making machine,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, things really get diluted. You lose a lot

0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:37.879
<v Speaker 4>of the emotion and passion. But when I very first

0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:40.520
<v Speaker 4>saw that, I'm going, I can see FJ sixty two,

0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:42.759
<v Speaker 4>I can see FJA eighty and this is really at

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<v Speaker 4>the height of when everyone's paying way too much money

0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:48.319
<v Speaker 4>for ninety seven Triple Lock eighty series. During Covide, it

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<v Speaker 4>was just cool to actually see the truck and go.

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<v Speaker 4>It's super modern, but basically it totally without trying to

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<v Speaker 4>be a retro ripoff, without trying to be the old

0:36:57.040 --> 0:36:59.440
<v Speaker 4>land cruisers. It still has the DNA of land cruiser

0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:01.680
<v Speaker 4>and as much you just say it must you engineer it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's really cool and you sort of see a bit

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<v Speaker 4>of that too.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like from the outside that you guys have

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<v Speaker 1>an easier time slipping through truck designs like the FJ

0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:12.040
<v Speaker 1>Cruiser that went from concept to production and not that

0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:14.800
<v Speaker 1>much was changed. But I don't necessarily see that in

0:37:14.840 --> 0:37:16.799
<v Speaker 1>the cars, but the trucks they seem to get through

0:37:17.040 --> 0:37:19.720
<v Speaker 1>unchanged from the original designs, which is really cool.

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<v Speaker 4>We're very, very lucky, especially in the US, where I

0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:25.839
<v Speaker 4>mean truck is so unique to the US market. We've

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<v Speaker 4>got such a fantastic team between you put Beach and

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<v Speaker 4>an Abba.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, next time you're in ann Arbor, at the R

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<v Speaker 2>and D facility.

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<v Speaker 1>We're right off the street, So yeah, come have lunch

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<v Speaker 1>with us. We'll bother you with a lot of annoying,

0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:39.759
<v Speaker 1>nitty gritty questions about.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a date.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Marcus, Thank you, Thanks Chris.

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<v Speaker 2>That interview was brought to you by eBay Motors. Visit

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<v Speaker 2>ebaymotors dot com for more.

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<v Speaker 1>Car friends. The Toygotta Land Cruisers Resurrection is a less expensive,

0:37:57.680 --> 0:38:00.320
<v Speaker 1>off road focused suv strikes me as a good idea.

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<v Speaker 1>The new land Cruiser proved itself off road and handled

0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:05.799
<v Speaker 1>everything we threw at it. The old land Cruiser had

0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:08.719
<v Speaker 1>priced itself out of relevance. Bringing the land Cruiser back

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<v Speaker 1>will undoubtedly prove to be a wise move for Toyota.

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<v Speaker 3>Undoubtedly, But I missed the old one. I liked.

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<v Speaker 2>It's under the radar luxury. We've already got a Forerunner.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do we need this thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you can still get it as a Lexus.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess yeah, but I don't want the Lexus.

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<v Speaker 1>For more on the new Toyota land Cruiser, visit carndriver

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<v Speaker 1>dot com and be sure to pick up the latest

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<v Speaker 1>issue of Car and Driver magazine. Well, Eddie, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>wrap on the first season of Car and Drivers Into Cars,

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<v Speaker 1>we got to experience some seriously interesting and compelling new

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<v Speaker 1>vehicles over the last six episodes, from the Lamborghini uricon

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<v Speaker 1>Strado to the most expensive Cadillac ever to Toyota's reimagined

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<v Speaker 1>land Cruiser.

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<v Speaker 2>We hope that you had fun riding along with us

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<v Speaker 2>and learning from the folks who helped create the cars.

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<v Speaker 3>Each week prought surprises in a few laughs.

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<v Speaker 1>and Driver in iHeartMedia's Ruby Studio. Our show is hosted

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<v Speaker 1>by Eddie Alterman and myself Tony Kiroga. Our executive producer

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<v Speaker 1>is Matt Romano. Our EP of Post Production is Matt Stillo.

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