1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Car and Drivers. Into Cars, a 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: podcast from iHeartMedia is Ruby Studio, brought to you by 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: eBay Motors. I'm Tony ki Roger, the editor in chief 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: of Car and Driver, and I'm joined by my co host, 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: former editor in chief and current Chief Brand and Content Officer, 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: Eddie Alterman, and together we're Into Cars. 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 2: Each episode of this podcast covers a new car that 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 2: we think is worthy of your attention. The cars we 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: select may feature a novel design, cutting edge engineering, or 10 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 2: something entirely new. We'll cover the stories behind the cars, 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 2: answering the whys and exploring the ons to bring you 12 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 2: into the experience. We'll drive the things and let you 13 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 2: listen in, and then we'll sit down with the people 14 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: who actually made the cars to answer our questions about them. 15 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 2: Come along for the ride and you'll hear it all 16 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: the good, the bad, and the ugly and the way 17 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: that only carrent Driver delivers. 18 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: This episode of Into Cars is a little different. Today 19 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: we'll be off roading and the reimagined Toyota Land Cruiser 20 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: to find out if it lives up to its legendary name. 21 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: After crawling over rocks and getting dirty, we'll dust ourselves 22 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: off and sit down with Marcus Umlau, Toyota's general manager 23 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: of truck strategy, to find out more about the engineering 24 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: and decisions behind the land Cruiser. 25 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 2: So here we have it, the long waited twenty twenty 26 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: four Toyota Land Cruiser. It's been on hiatus, this model 27 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 2: since twenty twenty one. It's changed a lot since then, 28 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 2: but a lot of the change is not dimensional. 29 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 3: It's visual. 30 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: No, it's still a big truck. It's the same wheelbase. 31 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: I think it's the same with it's within an inch 32 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: on height or two inches on height, and the overall 33 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: length is about the same, So it's the same size truck. 34 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: It's just not the same land cruiser though. It's not 35 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: the eighty seven thousand dollars lankerser. This one is a 36 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: lot less money. It starts in the mid fifties. The 37 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: one we have here, though, is a bit more expensive. 38 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 3: This is the first edition, yeah, fully loaded. 39 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: It's funny how it can present so differently than that 40 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: last slang cruiser that we had. What was the model 41 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: on that FJ FJ two. 42 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: Hundred two hundred, Yeah, FJ two hundred, the one in 43 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: the eighties I think was the sixty two, and then 44 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: the one in the nineties was the eight eighty, and 45 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: then we went to the one hundred, and then we 46 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: went to the two hundred, which was the last one. 47 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: And they were great. 48 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 2: They were really like the sort of Japanese rang drover 49 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: in a way. They were really deluxe, very very capable. 50 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 2: But I doubt anybody outside of Dubai used them off road. 51 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly not. The first owners use them off road. 52 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: The second owners are third owners because the things just 53 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: lasted forever too. There was a repair shop in my 54 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: old neighborhood in Los Angeles and the guy would drive 55 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: the cars around trying to see what was wrong with them, 56 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: and he drove a land Cruiser buy me once. I 57 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: said what's wrong with this? And he was like, absolutely not. 58 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: The last like three hundred thousand miles on it. They 59 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 1: don't break. And they were complicated too. 60 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean three locking diffs and a lot of electronics, 61 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: but bulletproof. 62 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: This is more of a return to basics. So it's 63 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: on the new Toyota truck platform, the TNNGA, and this 64 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: is the supposed two to fifty series. The Lexis lex 65 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: is on the three hundred series, which is over and 66 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: above this, but you get this for a lot less 67 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: money than the Lexus. 68 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: And there are four similar vehicles off that two to 69 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: fifty platform. You've got the Lexus g X five fifty, 70 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 2: which is a three row suv but very similar to this. 71 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 2: Then you have the land Cruiser, then you have the 72 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 2: fore Runner, and then you have the Tacoma. It looks 73 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 2: less like a luxury piece than the outgoing FJ two 74 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: hundred land Cruiser. 75 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, that had sort of evolved into a luxury truck. 76 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: This is more of a retro feel to it. It 77 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: looks more like the land cruisers of the eighties of 78 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: the seventies. It has some of that feel. It even 79 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: has some of the feel of the FJ Cruiser, like 80 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: the headlights around on the first edition and on the 81 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty eight model. 82 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 2: So it starts at the nineteen fifty eight model. That's 83 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 2: right then then, but this, you know, it's fully loaded, 84 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: but you get those retro round lights and I love 85 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 2: the look of it. 86 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, it's real upright. I like my SUVs 87 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,119 Speaker 1: to have upright windshields, lots of glass. If I'm buying 88 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: an suv, I want it to look like an suv. 89 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: But there's also a functional benefit to that. You can 90 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: see out the thing better. You can look down the 91 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 2: side of it when you are off roading. You can 92 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: see the raised capitals on the hood. You know where 93 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: the vehicle stops. So a lot of things that they did. 94 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 2: I think we're to make it a little bit trimmer 95 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 2: off road, although it still is wide. 96 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: It is it is, but yeah, like you said, you 97 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: can see the corners and there's a lot of glass 98 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: in there and it's all upright glass. Your view out 99 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: of it is wonderful and it's nice to see that. 100 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 2: The main difference between this and the GX five point 101 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 2: fifty is the engine. This right, this has the hybrid four, 102 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 2: the two point four liter making three. 103 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: Three twenty six six twenty six source part same as 104 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: the top engine that you can get in the Tacoma. 105 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: This one did sixty in our testing in seven point 106 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: seven seconds. The GX is over a second quicker. 107 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 3: Wow, and it's heavier. 108 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a significant difference. 109 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 2: That looks great, And I love this military khaki brown 110 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: with the contrasting gray roof. 111 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called trail dust is the color that we're 112 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: looking at. It's sort of khaki. It's got a little 113 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: tiny bit of olive in it. It's cool and it 114 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: sort of goes with the retro feel of it as well. 115 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 3: That's very cool. 116 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, black eighteen inch wheels and thirty three inch tires, 117 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 2: so it looks capable, but it also looks a little bit. 118 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 3: Like a Nissanic Sterra. 119 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Nissanic stairs are capable. But yeah, I 120 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: think part of it's that roof rack. That's true. That 121 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: is adding to it. It's a lot bigger than a 122 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: next Sterra though it is big. 123 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 2: Let's go around the back. You have the separate tailgate. 124 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 2: You can open the glass independently. 125 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a Toyota hallmark. And being able to 126 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: open that rear glass super cool. So even the badging 127 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: is retro. Instead of having the modern Toyota badge which 128 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: looks like a little cowboy hat stylized cowboy hat, Toyota 129 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: is written out and the font of land Cruiser is 130 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,559 Speaker 1: the classic land Cruiser font and it's cool little touches 131 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: like that. And what is this sink toe? I think 132 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: it owes six thousand pounds, which is less than the 133 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: g X five point fifty, which has a more powerful powertrain. 134 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 2: One of those cool retro touches is the mudflaps that 135 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 2: have little straps holding them. 136 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: In places behind them. Are it's really cool. 137 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 2: Okay, let's hop in barrier and drive it. Oh, that's 138 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 2: not a real expensive sound. 139 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: That was a little tinny. 140 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 2: I mean you would get in the old f J 141 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 2: two hundred and it was just like a bank vault. 142 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 2: It was really nice horizontal elevator. 143 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and super super damped and you'd never hear that 144 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: vibration coming out the door panel. 145 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 2: No, that's real tinny. And I think the materials in 146 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 2: here are nice enough. But it's clearly that this has 147 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: been built to a lower price. 148 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, and it's way more affordable, and the 149 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,239 Speaker 1: old land Cruiser priced itself out of relevance. The Lex 150 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: sort of took over that buyer and Toyota to relaunch this. 151 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: They wanted to actually sell the land Cruise. 152 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 2: That one started at eighty seven grand and it was 153 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 2: on to reach for most people. But this one starts 154 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 2: at fifty seven grand, although the one we're sitting in 155 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 2: is seventy six thousand dollars. This first edition so not 156 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: such a huge delta from the old. 157 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: It's aimed right at the meat of the market, where 158 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: the Bronco. 159 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 3: Plays, where the Wrangler plays. 160 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: And interestingly, where are the Forerunners going to play? Yeah, yeah, 161 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: I think Jeep finally found the top of where you 162 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: can price a Jeep. I think the three ninety two 163 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: at over eighty thousand dollars, I think is pretty much 164 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: as expensive as as an off roader. 165 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 3: But have you driven that thing? 166 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 2: It's wild, it wild, It's really hilarious. This is you know, 167 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: it's a return to the roots, as you said, of 168 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 2: a more affordable land. 169 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 3: Cruiser, and I think they've positioned it smartly. 170 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's more of a Toyota. The land Cruiser had 171 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: sort of turned into Alexis, and then they built Alexis 172 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: out of it, and then Lexus sort of was like, okay, 173 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: this is our vehicle now, and then the land Cruiser 174 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: reinvented itself in a way at fifty percent less money. 175 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 3: Basically. 176 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the interior is you know, it's a 177 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 2: good fifty thousand dollars interior. Some vinyl wrapping here. Yeah, 178 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 2: it looks kind of like leather. It feels a little 179 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: bit like leather. The gauges look great. 180 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fully modern in that way, but it's sort 181 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: of upright in old school Toyota at the same time too. 182 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels very utilitarian in here, and there's lots 183 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 2: of buttons and knobs, which I like. You have a 184 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 2: Molde select knob here, a drive mode button. You have 185 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 2: crawl mode, hill descent control. You have your locking center diff, 186 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 2: you have your locking rear diff. You have the ability 187 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 2: to disconnect the anti roll bars to get more off 188 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 2: road traction. You got a switch for high four and 189 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 2: low four. So it looks toally legit, but it's also 190 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 2: something that you can just drive as in every day. 191 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:51,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. 192 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: And it's the hybrid powertrain shared with the Tacoma, so 193 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: you get a tiny bit of electric power and better 194 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: fuel economy than g X five to fifty. I think 195 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: the combined fuel economy number is in the low twenties, 196 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: around twenty two or twenty three miles a gallon. 197 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 3: That's pretty good. Well, let's take it off road and 198 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 3: see what's up. All right, buckle up, we've got our 199 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 3: off road flag. 200 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 2: We're at Bundy Hill off Road Park in beautiful Jerome, Michigan, 201 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: and this is a place where we come to play 202 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 2: on occasion. I think we've taken the bronco here. 203 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll bring comparison tests here and test out vehicles 204 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: see how well they can do off road. 205 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 3: I also love there are a couple handles here. 206 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, on the A pillar and the A I mean, 207 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: look at how upright these A pillars are. 208 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 3: It's great. 209 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: It's a great panoramic, kind of widescreen TV effect. We 210 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 2: are off roading solo. Are you locked up? Are we 211 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 2: already stuck in here? 212 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 3: Now? 213 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: We're not stuck, just creeping through a real slow that 214 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: we're in tipping. You're still in high four though I'm 215 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: not quite ready for low Okay, we just got over 216 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: our first obstacle. I didn't hear too much scraping. 217 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 3: No, everything is still in working. 218 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: Order, and now it's in hybrid mode. 219 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 3: Silently creeping through this sand pit here. 220 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: That's kind of eerie. 221 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 2: It is weird, but we're saving the environment by trampling 222 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 2: on it. 223 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: The off road park. I think the speed limit here 224 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: is ten miles an hour. I'm going five miles an 225 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: hour very gingerly as we traverse this. 226 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and off roading is the most fun way to 227 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 2: go five miles an hour that's right. You know, it's 228 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 2: funny thinking about this versus the Ford Bronco. The Ford 229 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 2: Bronco has all sorts of trick electronic stuff, like that 230 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 2: trail turn that'll pivot the vehicle like around a tree 231 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 2: and really decreasing the turning radius by breaking the inside wheel. 232 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 3: It gives you all sorts of video spotters. 233 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 2: But you know, the Bronco is really going after the 234 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 2: Jeep and really trying to out jeep the Jeep. 235 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: This is not doing that. No, I mean, it still 236 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: functions as a regular suv. It's pretty quiet on the highway, 237 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: a fuel economies DC and. 238 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 2: Doesn't have those crazy knobby tires. Yeah, that's why I 239 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 2: get with the Sasquatch package. 240 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: They'll leave that to the aftermarket and the old man 241 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: Emo lift kit. 242 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,479 Speaker 2: That's right, and there will be a healthy, healthy aftermarket 243 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 2: for this thing. 244 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 3: So what are your first impressions. It's pretty unfazed. 245 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: So what's funny is it's a hybrid, so it's doing 246 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: what hybrids do at low speeds and we're just running 247 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: on electric motors and it's completely silent there the engine 248 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: just kicked on. 249 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 3: That's very cool. 250 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 2: Oh, it says bottomless dump over there. I don't think 251 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 2: we want to. No, that's not over there. 252 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: That doesn't look appealing at all. So we're just traversing 253 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 1: some off road trails. We've got it all the way 254 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: up to twelve miles an hour. The ride's really nice too. 255 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: It is nice, huge, really plush. Yeah, does not beat 256 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: you up at all. And on the road. The structure 257 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: of this truck feels really solid. I was worried it 258 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: was going to feel like the previous generation Tacoma, which 259 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: felt like there was no structure underneath you. But it's 260 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 1: really solid. But I am missing the old Lancruiser had 261 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: this wonderful the steering that felt like it was loobed 262 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:03,479 Speaker 1: by cold molasses. 263 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 3: Ye. 264 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: And it gave the truck this like invincible feel almost, 265 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 1: And it felt like you were driving this ten thousand 266 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: pound vehicle just because it forced you to slow down. 267 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: It forced you to just not put any inputs in 268 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: that we're big and this one is more normal, so 269 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: I think. But people appreciate this, but I kind of 270 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: missed the old one. 271 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. The last one is like piloting a cargo ship. 272 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: Yes, that's right, that's right. 273 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 2: But I think our biggest risk to life and limb. 274 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: Here is cutting a tire on one of these rocks, that's. 275 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's pretty easy. One of the things that 276 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: you want in an off rudder, too, is a really 277 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,599 Speaker 1: predictable accelerator pedal, so that you can feed in just 278 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: the right amount of throttle. You can feed in just 279 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: everything perfectly, and this really does that, even in hybrid mode. 280 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: It just gives you the torque that you need, and 281 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 1: it's very predictable. 282 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 2: I'm just in the passenger seat right now, but it 283 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 2: seems like a pretty easy vehicle to place. 284 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. I can see every corner of it. I can 285 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: see exactly where the back window is. I can see 286 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: the front corners perfectly. And then Toyota has lowered the 287 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: side glass too relative to the windshield, so I can 288 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: see out my door really well too. 289 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 3: Let's go up. 290 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: This is giving climb this. 291 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 3: Okay, you might need to modify your settings. 292 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: Sure, Let's let's lock up the center diff. 293 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 3: Okay, I'll lock up the rear diff. A couple of buttons, 294 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 3: why not belt and suspenders. 295 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: On a pair of sands and belts. Let's put it 296 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: in dirt. Okay, it doesn't have an air suspension, so 297 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,719 Speaker 1: we're not lifting it. The ground clearance stays at eight 298 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: point seven inches no matter what you do, unless you 299 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: put larger tires on it. Now we're climbing this grade. 300 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: It's not having any trouble whatsoever. 301 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 3: No, that's super easy. 302 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: There's some big rocks at the end of it. It 303 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: also has a big skin play up front too. All right, 304 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: this is a little more treacherous on the downslope, So 305 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 1: we're gonna put it in. Let's see how their hill 306 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 1: descent control works. Call it DAC crawl. So if we 307 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: hit the crawl button, we can adjust the max speed 308 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 1: that it's going to go. So let's go all the 309 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: way down to two. You can go as high as 310 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: eighteen as well. 311 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 3: That seems so it's going to use the breaks. 312 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: It's going to use the brakes to slow us down here. 313 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, eighteen seems a little Yeah, it's a little aggressive. 314 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: Oh, and it's holding it right at two. Oh I 315 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: just saw three, but we're going back to two. Oh. 316 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 3: It's just so easy. 317 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: It takes all the thought out of it. 318 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 3: It's like an autonomous vehicle. 319 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: All I have to do is steer and avoid the 320 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: really big ruds. Not exactly new technology, but adjusting it's cool. 321 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: Let's climb this little hill here. It looks like it's 322 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: pretty steep up top. So it's going to test the 323 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: breakover angle, which is actually better than the old land Cruiser. Right. 324 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 2: It has the same approach angle as the old one, 325 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 2: but a better breakover angle. 326 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and on the same wheelbase. We're at the top 327 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: making a tight left. It's gonna lean a little back 328 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: into the crawl and just make this super easy on ourselves. 329 00:14:58,320 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: Park parking warning. 330 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 3: Rock ahead. 331 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: Nice. Okay, that was easy. 332 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 3: That's good. 333 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: It's it's been easy so far, which is good. Can 334 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: I take a Yeah, you want to try it? I 335 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: go watch the door slam. 336 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 3: Oh, there it is again. 337 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: I don't know what your Uber passenger rating is, but 338 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: mine's pretty high because I don't slam the doors, so 339 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: I'm not really even pushing. I'm not even slamming the 340 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: door that hard and it's making that noise. 341 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great tip. By the way, don't slam 342 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 2: your Uber driver's door. 343 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, you won't get a five star rating. That looks 344 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: a little That looks a little too eight me. Yeah, 345 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: it's a little narrow. Yeah. The electric assist allows this 346 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: four cylinder to bump up to four hundred and sixty 347 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: five pound feet of torque. But it does have a 348 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: really small battery and the pedal's nice. 349 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 3: It is nice and it's very easy to modulate. 350 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: Oh there's another breakover angle test. There we go, No problem. 351 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 2: I'm going to do it old style hill descent just 352 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 2: by breaking. That's a little bit more fun. But that 353 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: wasn't all that challenging. 354 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 3: I like that. There's no steering kickback, that's true. 355 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not getting any weird kind of phases where 356 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 2: the steering goes light or it kicks back in your. 357 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: Hand, right. I haven't seen it snap once. And we're 358 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: going over stuff that's kicking the body around, for sure. 359 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 3: But good tip off roading. 360 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 2: Do not hook your thumbs into the spokes of the 361 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 2: wheel like you might do on road, because if there 362 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 2: is kickback, to break your thumbs or at least give 363 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 2: you a little because that's. 364 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: Oh wow, we're getting a little crazy. 365 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 3: I think we are. I wouldn't go in there. Okay, 366 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 3: let me back. 367 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: You can turn around. Okay, there's a sign on the 368 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: tree that says wild. 369 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 2: This is where that trail turned feature on the Bronco 370 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 2: would really help. Yeah, which is not making a fourteen 371 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 2: point turn here, try not to hit the tree. 372 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: This is where spotters would help as well. Yeah, but 373 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 1: the plushness of the ride is really pretty sure. I'm 374 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: there's not even that much head toss, right, I'm not 375 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: getting thrown around that much. It's got all this initial compliance. 376 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 3: Breakover angle over angle test pretty incredible. 377 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: There it goes. I mean you can see the corner perfectly, 378 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: which have allowed you to avoid that tree. Very very 379 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: tight turning radius, which is nice. Hey, it really makes 380 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:35,959 Speaker 1: everything seem pretty easy. 381 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 3: I know, it really is easy. Yeah. 382 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 2: These mirrors are great because you can see both sides 383 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 2: of the car the whole way down. 384 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 3: It really is good spotting. 385 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: And well we have an inklinometer. 386 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 3: There's a nice little inklinometer like the. 387 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: I think the really old landcruisers had that too. 388 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 3: That's a great touch and nice. Okay, let's exit out 389 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 3: of here. 390 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: I haven't heard it scrape once. 391 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 3: Well, don't know if that's talent too soon. 392 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's our driving talent or the 393 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: breakover angle on the ground clearance. Oh there it is. 394 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: There's the front nice. 395 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 3: Oh look at that. 396 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 2: Okay, so this front camera gives you kind of a 397 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 2: ghosted view of your front wheel angle. 398 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the car is gone in front of 399 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 1: you and you just see the tires. 400 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 2: That's wild. I don't want to spend too much time 401 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 2: looking at it, though, I. 402 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: Think you should drive those time with. 403 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 2: No. 404 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 3: It's really cool. 405 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: I mean you have an onboard spotter. It kicks off 406 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: at about five miles an hour. Six miles an hour though. 407 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 3: Very cool because it figures if. 408 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: You're going that quickly spotter. 409 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 2: I think we decently challenged this thing and it came 410 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 2: through with flying colors. It did easy, did not break 411 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 2: a sweat. No, And like you said, it is extraordinarily 412 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 2: comfortable inside. 413 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: I'm shocked at how comfortable it is. I've gone off 414 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: roading and stuff and just been made nausey because you 415 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: get thrown around so much. It's hard to believe that 416 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: the dimensions are so similar to the old land Cruiser, 417 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: because this feels so much tidier and so much smaller 418 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: when you're driving it. And some of that's a function 419 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: of the control feel and the lighter steering, but it 420 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: just feels way more manageable out here. And this is 421 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: not an off road course. It's designed for really wide vehicles, 422 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: ain't there. 423 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 2: No, and you sit a little bit higher, it feels 424 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 2: like there's a much higher age point in this vehicle. 425 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's some of that's the lower glass 426 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: on the side windows. It's not quite the original range 427 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: rover where if you're driving down the road people could 428 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: see your hips, but at least people can see you 429 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: see your wallet. 430 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. 431 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 2: But incredibly comfortable, incredibly smooth, and at odds with the 432 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 2: tiny sound of the doors. 433 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 3: I think the ride refinement is extraordinary. It is. 434 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 2: It's shocking, very fun I mean, this is cool, the 435 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,959 Speaker 2: fact that this can do all this without really breaking 436 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 2: a sweat and perform all the functions in need of 437 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 2: a regular sort of family vehicle without paying much price 438 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 2: for it. 439 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: On the road, it's pretty nice on the road. And 440 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 1: you were mentioning that the steering doesn't kick you back here, 441 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: which usually means that the steering is completely aloof and 442 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: numb on road, and it's not. It's pretty responsive. It's 443 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 1: easy to drive in the highway, it's super easy to 444 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: keep in your lane, works really well. I always feel 445 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: like when I can't find my way out of one 446 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: of these places, it's like a little. 447 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 3: Blair Witch Project. 448 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 1: Just go to the cottage at the back of the like, 449 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure we just passed that lake. We crossed 450 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: over that like seven times for some reason. 451 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 3: Tell you that. 452 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 2: Note what they're doing off road, executing something like this 453 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 2: that has such a dual nature. 454 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 3: It's pretty spectacular. 455 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: This is quickly going to turn into a lost scenario 456 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 1: where we find out we've died in her in this 457 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: off the road park for the rest of our existence. 458 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, when we get out of here, it'll be twenty 459 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 2: sixty three. 460 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: And there'll still be a Toyota land Cruiser. 461 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 3: This will have gone up in value tremendously. 462 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: Oh, that looks like an exit. 463 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 2: I see the ramshackle buildings. I see the corrugated tin hunts. 464 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 3: We didn't die. No, we're back among the living. 465 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: Well, we still don't know what year. 466 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 3: It is. 467 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: All right, we made it good good. That was fun. 468 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: It was fun. It was surprisingly easy, I know. 469 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 2: I mean we didn't go up the eighty five percent grades. 470 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 1: No, we didn't do anything too crazy, but we did 471 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: test out the ground clearance and the breakover angle and 472 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: the approach angle and the departure angle. 473 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 2: And you know, it's also incredible is how quiet this 474 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 2: thing is. Everything has a great kind of veneer of refinement. 475 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: You don't hear the structure creaking at all, not or 476 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: any of that. You don't hear the suspension moving around. 477 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: A lot of off roaders, you just constantly hear the 478 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: suspension moving around. 479 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 2: It felt like there was no torsional weirdness. Good stuff, 480 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: Bank in park. 481 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: All right. Cool. 482 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 3: We may have made it out of the sand pit, 483 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 3: but we aren't out of the woods yet with this 484 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 3: new land Cruiser. 485 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: Luckily. 486 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 2: After the break, we're sitting down with Toyota's Marcus Umwalf 487 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 2: to answer our lingering questions about the truck. Welcome back 488 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 2: to car and drivers into Cars. 489 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: To answer some of our lingering questions, we're joined today 490 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: by Marcus Umlauf, Toyota's general manager in charge of truck strategy. 491 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: That means Marcus looks over the Tundra and Tacoma pickups, 492 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: the Sequoia, the Forerunner, and the land Cruiser subs. If 493 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: it's body on frame and it's a Toyota, Marcus is 494 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: responsible for it. An avid off roader, Marcus developed Toyota 495 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: racing development vehicles in Australia before making the move to 496 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: the United States. Welcome to into cars. 497 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 4: Marcus, Hey, Tony, You've great to be here. 498 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 2: So Marcus has head of strategy for Toyota Truck. Let's 499 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 2: talk a little bit about land cruiser strategy. While the 500 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 2: lex six hundred continues on the three hundred series version 501 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 2: of TGAF, this is only two fifty. It's last of 502 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 2: luxury oriented. So why did you guys make that switch 503 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 2: and put the land crews around two fifty and Stata 504 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 2: three hundred. 505 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 4: It's a really luxurious position to be in to say, 506 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 4: we've got a lot of choices, and a lot of 507 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 4: this came from the new platform. So as we developed 508 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 4: the new F one platform, this is the first time 509 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 4: I've been able to come up with a platform for 510 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 4: all of our trucks at the same time and really 511 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 4: considering like how would this execute as a full size pickup, 512 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 4: as a mid sized pickup, as a Lexus product, or 513 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 4: a Toyder product. And I think being able to start 514 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 4: with that clean sheet of saying what should that platform 515 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 4: be that's going to serve all of these different purposes, 516 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 4: it was a really good opportunity. Stepping back from there, 517 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 4: we now have a bunch of tools, so we say, okay, 518 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 4: so I mean the platform lead was three hundred series Lancers, 519 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 4: so that was the first vehicle on the platform, very 520 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 4: closely followed by Tundra. We had Sequoya LX really surrounding 521 00:23:55,840 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 4: out that full size execution on that platform. Then we said, okay, 522 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 4: how do we do a slightly smaller version of that 523 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 4: two fifty series was a case of saying and the 524 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,959 Speaker 4: way I best sort of framed this is we have 525 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 4: global vehicle with lan Cruiser, and we have a lot 526 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 4: of regional vehicles, so let's say Sequoia forur Runner, they 527 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 4: are very let's call it North American specific. So we've 528 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 4: got the benefit here of saying, hey, we've got a 529 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 4: global truck in land Cruiser, we also have a full 530 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 4: size suv in Sequoia, and now for the first time, 531 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 4: Sequoia gets a lot of the benefits of three hundred 532 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 4: series land Cruiser already built into the truck, but at 533 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 4: a scale it really is for the US market. So 534 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 4: it was a chance and from the very outset of saying, look, 535 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,479 Speaker 4: what should lan Cruise be, how do we take lan 536 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 4: Cruiser back to its origins? And really the LC two 537 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 4: fifty is really ideally where that should be. 538 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 2: I do a follow up question to that, Marcus, was 539 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 2: there any internal concern about moving from an eight to 540 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 2: a four and going lower in price and changing the 541 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 2: sort of brand position and aligning it more with Tacoma 542 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 2: forour runner. Did anybody feel like they were devaluing the vehicle? 543 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 4: I don't think so, and I think it at its 544 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 4: very simplest, it's recognizing who the land Cruiser customers really are. 545 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 4: I mean lank Cruise, who has been a name plate 546 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 4: that has been around for so long. People that know 547 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 4: land Cruiser love land Cruiser, and frankly, I mean lank 548 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 4: Cruiser had really started to drift to become something that 549 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 4: really wasn't the origins of lan Cruiser. I mean, we 550 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 4: were selling a handful of equals a year. It was 551 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 4: a fantastic truck, but it was to a very small 552 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 4: part of the market. And so how do we take 553 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 4: it back to where it should be. We want to 554 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 4: be able to have a truck that's more accessible for 555 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 4: price point, a truck that has the right spec for 556 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 4: people in terms of what they actually want to do 557 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 4: with the land Cruiser, and so it was a great 558 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 4: opportunity for us to bring that back so. 559 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: Marcus, now that the land Cruiser has moved down to 560 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: price point, it moves a little closer to four Runner. 561 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: So how does the land Cruiser fit into the lineup 562 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: with the newly announced for Runner. 563 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 4: These are two tools to compete in one really competitive segment. 564 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 4: So if I looked about historically, we had four Runner, 565 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 4: which was one tool to compete against everything the rugged 566 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 4: suv space, I mean it's super competitive, super passionate, there's 567 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 4: some great product there, and we had one tool to 568 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 4: compete there. It was very intentional to say, if we 569 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 4: have two tools, how do they both play there? So 570 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,360 Speaker 4: we have the global tool with land Cruiser, which has 571 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 4: the heritage, it's more boxy, it's more rugged, it really 572 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 4: has that global DNA. And then how do we take 573 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 4: four Runner back to be Also for Runner is really 574 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 4: a story of return to its roots. If we look 575 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 4: at first and second gen four Runner, it used to 576 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 4: be tied to the pickup truck, so it's a little cheekyer, 577 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 4: it's a little sportier. It was important to us to 578 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 4: say they have to have their own role. So four 579 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 4: Runner has got a wider range of powertrains, so it 580 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 4: really is the high volume, broader coverage type vehicle, which 581 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 4: is our regional truck. I mean it very much is 582 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 4: a North American truck. We then have the global truck, 583 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 4: which is so globally renowned, but it's a simpler strategy. 584 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 4: So it's really a case of if you want a 585 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 4: land Cruiser, you buy a land Cruiser. Four Runner really 586 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,479 Speaker 4: appeals to a whole bunch of other people, But at 587 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 4: the end of the day, I think it's going to 588 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 4: boil down to choice. People just have two great products 589 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 4: that they can really choose which is the best fit 590 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 4: for them. 591 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 2: So it's our understanding that Toyota, and I don't know 592 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 2: a few can confirm or deny this while still keeping 593 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 2: your job. Has an internal measure for our durability that 594 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 2: has three categories. Cars are the first category as the 595 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 2: least rugged and durable. The second category is a higher 596 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 2: level up for most of the truck line, and the 597 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 2: highest level the most durable third tier with something like 598 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 2: a ten year lifespan of never being driven on paved road. 599 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 2: Does the land crews are still abide by that In 600 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 2: this two point fifty iteration. 601 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 4: Eighty first and foremost, A really love my job, so 602 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 4: I'm not going to do anything like that. So everything 603 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 4: I came to keep my job. But Link Cruiser is 604 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 4: a fascinating nine plate and without going on too much 605 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 4: of a dangent, there is a huge amount of respect 606 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 4: for it and the huge amount of honestly responsibility to 607 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 4: protect what that is. And so I think you're exactly 608 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 4: rought that there were levels of durability and severity that 609 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 4: all of it vehicles attested to. As you can imagine, 610 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 4: we have globally so much variation in terms of markets, 611 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 4: in terms of usage, in terms of expectation, and vehicles 612 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 4: need to be developed appropriate. What a best sum up 613 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 4: with lan Cruiser is we understand the customer really well 614 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 4: and we make sure that land Cruiser is a lan Cruiser. 615 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 4: And so when it comes to specifications and things like that, 616 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 4: it's not as simple as saying this must survive ten years. 617 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 4: It must say, okay, how is the customer using this 618 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 4: truck and then what is their expectation to survive? So 619 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 4: when we look at severity the way that we rate severity, 620 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 4: there's so many different things. Is it about heat, is 621 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 4: it about dust? Is it about water? Is it about 622 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 4: how rough that road is? And we talk about Toyter's 623 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 4: renowned for Genji gemboots, So go and see and very 624 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 4: much this is almost the epitome of You've got to 625 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 4: go and see it. You've got to go and talk 626 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 4: to these customers. You've got to be in a crocodile 627 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 4: infested river in Australia. You've got to be in a 628 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 4: mind sight somewhere. You're going to be sort of in 629 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 4: the middle of this engine somewhere to really understand how 630 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 4: are people using these vehicles. And it's not a case 631 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 4: of saying, here's just one test that doesn't it's a 632 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 4: case of saying, if I know how the customer is 633 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 4: using this and their expectation to it's not just it'll 634 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 4: get me there, but it will get me back and 635 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 4: it's easy to repair that it's reliable that if that 636 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 4: really is the core tenet, If we know what they 637 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 4: do and we protect that someone can trust the land 638 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 4: Cruizer to do it, That's really what it boils down to. 639 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 4: I'm not dodging the question there as opposed to as 640 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 4: much as it's a case of saying, there's so many layers. 641 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 4: What we just need to do is make sure that 642 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 4: we can actually test to that we might create a 643 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 4: new test of saying, hey, we just saw that someone 644 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 4: in a mind side in Australia is basically catching all 645 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 4: of this mud underneath this truck and it's pulling wiring 646 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 4: harnesses off. How do we make sure that we test 647 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 4: for that? And so it's really a case of saying, 648 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 4: what's the real world test, not necessarily just the standardized 649 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 4: test that would be run. 650 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: Can you talk about the decision to kill the land 651 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: Cruiser in twenty twenty one, Why not continue to build 652 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: it until the new one came out? Did you have 653 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: to kill it to relaunch it? What was the story there? 654 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: Because Alex came out pretty quickly, it did. 655 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 4: And Tony, we didn't kill land Cruiser. Lan Cruiser had 656 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 4: little pause until it was ready to come back, and 657 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 4: that's really how it played out. And a lot of 658 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 4: it was Cadencer platform. So as that full sized platform 659 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 4: went to three hundred series, we see how two hundred 660 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 4: series stopped. So we had to cease with production of 661 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 4: two hundred series as it rolled out there, it was 662 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 4: really Sequoia was our next product which was coming to 663 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 4: fit into that space. So full sized body on frame, 664 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 4: rugged suv. We now have the benefits of that three 665 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 4: hundred series development Sequoya comes out there. I think a 666 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 4: lot of what people couldn't see coming was like, don't worry, 667 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 4: we have an answer, and I'll tell you a funny story. 668 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 4: I was. I was speaking at the land Cruise in museum, 669 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 4: and so at the time, we had killed land Cruiser, 670 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 4: and I basically said, you're either the bravest guy or 671 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 4: the dumbest guy to turn up into a whole audience 672 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 4: of Lanceruise enthusiasts after killing the land Cruiser, but I 673 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 4: couldn't tell them what was coming, And knowing full will 674 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 4: that Lane Cruiser was coming back in the form that 675 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 4: it really should be in for the US market was 676 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 4: really exciting, and so I'd sort of called it. It 677 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 4: was really a pause until the product Cadence could actually 678 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 4: get it back into there. But it was really a 679 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 4: pause rather than the death. 680 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 2: Marcus, He's spoken a little bit about how Toyota adapts 681 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 2: different cars and different platforms, different trucks to different environments 682 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 2: in different countries and different use cases. 683 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 3: Can you talk a. 684 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 2: Little bit about how Australia is different from the US 685 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 2: in terms of how they use their vehicles. What is 686 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 2: the off running culture, Like I mean is there a 687 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 2: lot of cosplay where you know, people get the most 688 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 2: rugged g wagon or whatever they can and just drive 689 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 2: it to aroin or whatever. 690 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 4: In the US, absolutely, so probably the number one thing 691 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 4: in Australia is you assume that everything's going to kill you. 692 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 4: So if you start with that assumption, then everything exactly, 693 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 4: so you sort of start with that assumption. 694 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: The aroline in Australia is legal. 695 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 4: The fascinating thing about the Australian market and this is why, 696 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 4: I mean, I've got a lot of Australian experience, but 697 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 4: here permanently in the US, because there is so many 698 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 4: similarities in terms of the lost style and what people 699 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 4: do with their trucks and SUVs is very similar. So 700 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 4: people really want to enable a loft style with this. 701 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 4: So whether it's their pickup trucks, whether it's their SUVs, 702 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 4: they want to be able to tow, they haul, They 703 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 4: use it for vacation, they use it for off roading. 704 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 4: So there's a huge recreational cult. There's also a very 705 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 4: practical culture as well that these are a tool of 706 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 4: trade for many people, and so I think there's a 707 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 4: lot of similarities in how people use it or why 708 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 4: they want to use it. The difference has really probably 709 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 4: come in into the environment and just how far. The 710 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 4: biggest difference that I draw here is it's really hard 711 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 4: to find two gas stations in the US that are 712 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 4: all that far away from each other. You might struggle 713 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 4: to find maybe one hundred miles or something like that. 714 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 4: These place is in Australia where you will actually go 715 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,479 Speaker 4: on travel and you have to carry extra fuel because 716 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 4: it is the distance is too much. So a lot 717 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 4: of it is the distance, it's the remote nature and 718 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 4: frankly the fact that I mean, if you do get 719 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 4: stuck out there, you die. It's a pretty remote and 720 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 4: dangerous place to be. But the reason why people are 721 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 4: doing is really similar. 722 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: Marcus. How long are we going to see barty on 723 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: frame vehicles in the mass market? Is it going to 724 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: be like the old nine to eleven story where the 725 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: line just goes on and on and on and on 726 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: and on and on forever. And yeah, I guess if 727 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: you make them heavy enough they escape some regulations too. 728 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: So as the future really break for body on frame 729 00:32:59,200 --> 00:32:59,959 Speaker 1: vehicles at Toyota. 730 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 4: So, Donny, I'd get a little pilosophical with you and say, 731 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 4: what is body on frame and it's really a case 732 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 4: of you're marrying a platform with a different upper body. 733 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 4: And when we actually look at even where a lot 734 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 4: of dedicated evs have gone, they've got to skateboard that 735 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 4: marry with an upper body. It's really more about what's 736 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 4: the evolution of platforms that you can electrify a platform 737 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 4: you can still have the ruggedness and the strength that 738 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 4: you can go off roading, that you can actually still 739 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 4: have a thirteen twelve thousand pound towing capacity, you still 740 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 4: can haul. So I think it's going to be how 741 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 4: do you have platforms that evolve to be able to 742 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 4: do that? But I think necessarily it's not a case 743 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 4: of body on frame evolution. It's really a case of 744 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 4: how do you marry a platform with an upper body 745 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 4: in a smart way? 746 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: Well, that's interesting, and I think you're going to have 747 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: to sell the customers on that because they expect body 748 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: on frame to look a certain way. And there's also 749 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: a theory that American cars were never comfortable not being 750 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: body on frame. That's why Americans love body on frame. 751 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: So basically, you know, a Catillac Escalade is very close 752 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,479 Speaker 1: to a seventies car. I mean it's a V eight 753 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: and a body on frame. So that's an Americans are 754 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: very comfortable with an understand So even when it evolves, 755 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: I think you're going to have to commence customers for sure. 756 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 4: For sure, and at the end of the day, I'd 757 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,280 Speaker 4: also argue I think there's a large group of customers 758 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 4: that just want to have the right end product. I 759 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 4: think there's a lot of enthusiasts that understand the architecture 760 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 4: of the vehicle. There's a lot of others that probably 761 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 4: come along and say, does it have the performance, does 762 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 4: it have the strength, does have the space? I think 763 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 4: if you could execute a really good product for the customer, 764 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 4: whether it's an suv or a pickup truck, and you've 765 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 4: got a slightly different architecture, sure you're going to have 766 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 4: some people that will sort of debate how you got there. 767 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 4: There's also a lot of people if you can do 768 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 4: it right and you don't make them compromise, then I 769 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 4: think they're really going to judge the end product and 770 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 4: how that comes out. 771 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 1: Marcus, I hear you have a seventy two scout project. 772 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: How's that coming along? What can you tell us about that? 773 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: So you're not going to give me a hard time? 774 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: For it not being a Twitter. Ok, there's a new 775 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 1: Scout coming too, but what do they say. 776 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 4: About the forbidden? 777 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 2: For it? 778 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 4: When you grow up in a world of when there's 779 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 4: lankers is everywhere, and then you come to the US 780 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 4: and you find something new and unique, it's pretty exciting 781 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 4: and and actually a little bit of the backstory is 782 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,399 Speaker 4: our first family tractor in Australia was a nineteen thirty 783 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 4: nine International h Model and so I had an infinity. 784 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 4: I said, hang on, so he's a really cool truck. 785 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 4: Buy a tractor company that I have an affinity too, 786 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 4: So I had to buy it. So this was a 787 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 4: COVID project. The price was right, and I completely undersold 788 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 4: the amount of time to my wife it was going 789 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 4: to take to work on it. But it it's been 790 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 4: a great project with my boys to really sort of 791 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 4: teach a sixteen year old here a cobrette works and 792 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 4: rebuild a cabaretta and a murder and I just love 793 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 4: the simplicity of something designed by a tractor company. It 794 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 4: had a one ninety six and I got a three 795 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 4: forty five, And literally the one ninety six is just 796 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 4: half of a three ninety two. So the vel train 797 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,240 Speaker 4: comes across. I mean they just left four cylinders off. 798 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 1: So oh yeah, it had that giant four cylinder engine. 799 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 4: Absolutely, so I got it with that. But it's literally 800 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 4: half a V eight, so it's you can use so 801 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 4: many parts, so anyway without geeking out, I just love 802 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 4: the practicality of a tractor company that says, when you 803 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 4: use the same parts, we'll just build four cylinders and 804 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 4: V eights and it's yeah, it's. 805 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: Necessity, yeah, absolutely, just like Lamborghini. My favorite design element 806 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: inside is that the land Cruiser says Toyota written out 807 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: in script instead of having the Toyota badge inside on 808 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: the airbag hub. So I saw that and I was like, yes, 809 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: they got it right, they know what That's awesome. 810 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 4: That's awesome. I'll got to tell you, Tony. I was 811 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 4: really excited when I saw the very first concept sketch 812 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 4: with Kevin Hunt and the Keelty team little side story. 813 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 4: The thing that's really exciting is the concept and what 814 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 4: came out the other side are so similar. So sometimes 815 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 4: when you actually put it through the big sausage making machine, 816 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 4: I mean, things really get diluted. You lose a lot 817 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,879 Speaker 4: of the emotion and passion. But when I very first 818 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 4: saw that, I'm going, I can see FJ sixty two, 819 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 4: I can see FJA eighty and this is really at 820 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 4: the height of when everyone's paying way too much money 821 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 4: for ninety seven Triple Lock eighty series. During Covide, it 822 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 4: was just cool to actually see the truck and go. 823 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 4: It's super modern, but basically it totally without trying to 824 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 4: be a retro ripoff, without trying to be the old 825 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 4: land cruisers. It still has the DNA of land cruiser 826 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 4: and as much you just say it must you engineer it. 827 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 4: It's really cool and you sort of see a bit 828 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 4: of that too. 829 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: It seems like from the outside that you guys have 830 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 1: an easier time slipping through truck designs like the FJ 831 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: Cruiser that went from concept to production and not that 832 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,800 Speaker 1: much was changed. But I don't necessarily see that in 833 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 1: the cars, but the trucks they seem to get through 834 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,720 Speaker 1: unchanged from the original designs, which is really cool. 835 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 4: We're very, very lucky, especially in the US, where I 836 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,839 Speaker 4: mean truck is so unique to the US market. We've 837 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 4: got such a fantastic team between you put Beach and 838 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 4: an Abba. 839 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 2: Well, next time you're in ann Arbor, at the R 840 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 2: and D facility. 841 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: We're right off the street, So yeah, come have lunch 842 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,760 Speaker 1: with us. We'll bother you with a lot of annoying, 843 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: nitty gritty questions about. 844 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 3: It's a date. 845 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: Thanks Marcus, Thank you, Thanks Chris. 846 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 2: That interview was brought to you by eBay Motors. Visit 847 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 2: ebaymotors dot com for more. 848 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: Car friends. The Toygotta Land Cruisers Resurrection is a less expensive, 849 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,320 Speaker 1: off road focused suv strikes me as a good idea. 850 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 1: The new land Cruiser proved itself off road and handled 851 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 1: everything we threw at it. The old land Cruiser had 852 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 1: priced itself out of relevance. Bringing the land Cruiser back 853 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: will undoubtedly prove to be a wise move for Toyota. 854 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 3: Undoubtedly, But I missed the old one. I liked. 855 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 2: It's under the radar luxury. We've already got a Forerunner. 856 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 2: Why do we need this thing? 857 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,240 Speaker 1: Well, you can still get it as a Lexus. 858 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 3: I guess yeah, but I don't want the Lexus. 859 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: For more on the new Toyota land Cruiser, visit carndriver 860 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: dot com and be sure to pick up the latest 861 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 1: issue of Car and Driver magazine. Well, Eddie, that's a 862 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 1: wrap on the first season of Car and Drivers Into Cars, 863 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 1: we got to experience some seriously interesting and compelling new 864 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: vehicles over the last six episodes, from the Lamborghini uricon 865 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,760 Speaker 1: Strado to the most expensive Cadillac ever to Toyota's reimagined 866 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 1: land Cruiser. 867 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,839 Speaker 2: We hope that you had fun riding along with us 868 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,320 Speaker 2: and learning from the folks who helped create the cars. 869 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,800 Speaker 3: Each week prought surprises in a few laughs. 870 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 2: If you enjoyed the show, don't forget to rate and 871 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 2: review wherever you listen to podcasts, and stay tuned for 872 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:57,959 Speaker 2: season two. 873 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,839 Speaker 1: Car and Drivers Into Cars is a production of Car 874 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: and Driver in iHeartMedia's Ruby Studio. Our show is hosted 875 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:08,240 Speaker 1: by Eddie Alterman and myself Tony Kiroga. Our executive producer 876 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: is Matt Romano. Our EP of Post Production is Matt Stillo. 877 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,240 Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Sierra Kaiser. This show was edited 878 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: by Sierra Spreen special thanks to our location sound recordist 879 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: Matthew Cisco. Thanks for listening.