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Speaker 1: Week on the Bobby Cast. All Right, Welcome to Mike.

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Speaker 1: Episode sixty six The Bobby Cast and with Karen Fairchild

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Speaker 1: from a Little Big Town hig. Karen, we tried to

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Speaker 1: the whole deal. But yeah, I mean at the end,

426
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 1: I felt like it's time for me to go. So

427
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 1: where'd you go? What you do? Let's see, I made

428
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 1: an indie record, a gospel record with a girl named

429
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 1: Lee Cappellino, who was still one of my go you

430
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: do your research. And I made that record with Chris

431
00:22:54,840 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 1: Harris Umsted the Bachelor. No, not that Harris, what if

432
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 1: it was Gris Arison. So this, this duo was called

433
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:11,959
Speaker 1: It's very creative Karen Lee because you were named Yeah.

434
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: Like the cover looked like a like a J. C.

435
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: Peanny Catalogs cover, and so this was gospel yeah, yeah ish,

436
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 1: but more in the vein that I felt comfortable with,

437
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 1: you know, literally money is that what you mean? Is that?

438
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 1: Like I'm trying to you know, like because we were

439
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: you know, it was more of our voice. Truth was

440
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 1: more of um the guy that was in charge his voice.

441
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 1: We were just hired Peture, you know. But um, I

442
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: have not heard this, I swear to you, I have

443
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: not heard this in like fifteen years. I don't know,

444
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's me it's this love

445
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: has I forgot about that. So that's what I did afterwards.

446
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 1: And then Lee and I did the same thing. We

447
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 1: were just like one day. I mean we were so broke,

448
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: and um we were both married. I was not married

449
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 1: to Jimmy then, Um, we were married. I was married

450
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: to someone else. Mark Childers old, super great guy who

451
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: was Carrie Underwood's band director. Now musically I just met him.

452
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 1: He's like best friends with Carrie and Mike and then

453
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: his wife, Ivy Children's. I was married to Mark. That's

454
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 1: a small town, small world. So okay, how old are

455
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: you that when you guys are in this duo? Oh gosh,

456
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: in my twenties. So, um, I moved to Nashville and

457
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 1: nine four yeah, so and this is in Nashville. You

458
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: did this in Nashville. We did this in Nashville. Chris Harris,

459
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 1: who's an amazing musician, he produced that record, and um

460
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 1: not one of the greatest kids. Can't save it already? Did?

461
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: You're kind of it. You're kind of torturing me right now.

462
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: And just because not that I don't have the fondest

463
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: memories of this, but part of it was part of

464
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: growing up. It's part of the story too. It is

465
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: part of the without the truth and without Karen Lee,

466
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: you have a little big talent, that's true, Like you

467
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't well, Kimberly and I were friends before this. Okay, cool,

468
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 1: but you didn't get together. And no, that's true without

469
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: all of this, none of this. No, you're you're right,

470
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 1: part of the story, part of the story. So you

471
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: guys decide this is your life. Um yeah, we we

472
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: still talk all the time. She just came to the

473
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: last Ryme and show and brought her whole family, and um,

474
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: she like, dang, I was with Carol Big Town because

475
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 1: she's in a group called Point of Grace. Yeah. Yeah,

476
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: So she stayed. She went on to do like, um,

477
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: we both were singing demos for people and singing and

478
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 1: like trying to make a living. I used to sing

479
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: at Amoy convention and sing like cover tunes and stuff,

480
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 1: and I would get paid to put a band together.

481
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: And she and I did that for a long time

482
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: and that's how we paid our bills. So after Karen Lee,

483
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit during karen Ly a terrible name,

484
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: by the way, it's a horrible what a terrible name.

485
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: And I think that I want to blame that on

486
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: the label at the time, but I have to take

487
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,239
Speaker 1: responsibility that I was standing there and how come your

488
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: name got to go first? I have no idea because

489
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: I would think and a two man and we'd be

490
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 1: like a coin flip, Lee Karen. It doesn't matter. It's

491
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: always because anything sounds normal once you say it. Like

492
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: the first time I heard Florida Georgia Line, I was like,

493
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: that's the dumbest name ever heard. Now it's just normal, right, yeah,

494
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: Chumba Womba, I was like, one of the greatest bands

495
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: of history of music. Now it's just normal? Are they nod?

496
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: I have one song? I was like, wow, I missed

497
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 1: the Chumble Woman thing o Little Big Town Week on

498
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: the Bobby Cast. It's Little Big Town Week on the

499
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: Bobby Cast. So you and Lee you're a duo and

500
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: you're no longer a duo now we just we both

501
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: looked at each other like are you having fun? She's

502
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: like not really, Like I'm not either, and so we

503
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,959
Speaker 1: just decided that we would let it go. So then

504
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: what do you do? So then I'm singing demos like crazy.

505
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: Do you sing any hits for people that you remember?

506
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: Like you sang a demo for I sang she only

507
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: smokes when she drinks. I think I sang a female

508
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: version of that. I want to say it was that demo.

509
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: I used to sing like all the time, demos and

510
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: sessions and just whatever I could do. Did you feel

511
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: like you're better than a lot of the people around you?

512
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: Like really like in your heart? We're like, man, how

513
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: come I just am not? I I got a ticket

514
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 1: one day and I had like teared up on the

515
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 1: road after it was like after a session or I

516
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: think we had lost a deal, or maybe we were

517
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: close to getting a deal. I can't remember, but I

518
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: just remember thinking, God, this is never going to happen.

519
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: And I was kind of by myself in the car,

520
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: like really, I'm not a super emotional person, but I

521
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: was emotional and I got a ticket. I guess I

522
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: was feeding while I was crying, and so I had

523
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 1: to drive it up on the cop I'm too pridful, like, oh,

524
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: yn't you summosted to leave it for the cops to

525
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: turn it up and not. I know I should have,

526
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: but I didn't. So I got a ticket and then

527
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: then I was even more sad, like loser. But were

528
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: you frustrated though, because you did you feel like I'm

529
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: I'm really good yet nobody's taken notice of me, or

530
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: I haven't succeeded, like I'm watching my peers around me do. Yeah.

531
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: I mean I really felt that way when when the

532
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: band got together and the four of us we got

533
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: a record deal fast, and we got multiple offers and

534
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: we signed, and we thought this is gonna be amazing.

535
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: And we sang in a like an Oscar dal Lahoya

536
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: fight on HBO, and I mean they you know, all

537
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: of a sudden, we were in limousines and we were

538
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: thinking this is this is it? Like this is going

539
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: to happen. And our first show was at the Opery,

540
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: so we had never sung in public until the Grand

541
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: Old Opery. Yeah, So we were just thinking that was

542
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: going to be it and then it wasn't. So you

543
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: and Kimberly knew each other first, but you didn't sing together.

544
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: We sang together in college and like we were in

545
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: this yeah, but we were buddies, like we hit it

546
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: off at choir camp. But then you've moved. You both

547
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: weren't not in Nashville. She was in Knoxville. I was

548
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: in Nashville, and and she was commuting and she was singing.

549
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: She did an independent record, um and was she was

550
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: singing like a little honky talks from here to Knoxville

551
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: and traveling back and forth. And then she moved, and

552
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: so as soon as she moved, we started hanging out

553
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: and we were just brainstorming. One day, I was I

554
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: was gonna do a country solo thing that was going

555
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: to be and so was she, And then we started

556
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: brainstorm and like maybe we should do something together. But

557
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: the Dixie Chicks were or like monstrous. They were selling

558
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: millions of records, and we were like, why would we

559
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: do a girls group because nobody's going to do it

560
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: better than them. I mean, there's no purpose in doing that.

561
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: But then we started thinking, well, nobody's ever done like

562
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: a Moms and the Papas or a Fleetwood Mac and

563
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: country music not with not where you could you know,

564
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: like really have the harmonies be the lead singer. So

565
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: we took off trying to do it. Was it ever

566
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: thought to call the group Karen Kimberly because I love

567
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: the idea of taking two names and slamming them together,

568
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: not ever one time, not every one time. So it's

569
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: you two and you're like, Okay, we're gonna do something. Um,

570
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: where did Jimmy come in? We thought it was going

571
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: to be a trio. And at the time I was

572
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: married to Mark and he was on the road with

573
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: Shelley Right. He was in a band with Okay, Shelley

574
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: and then Jay de Marcus from Rascoe Flats and Joe

575
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: Don Ruining Rascale Flats. They were all in a band together.

576
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: So Kimberly and I used to go down to see

577
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: Rascal Flats play at the Fiddle and Steel Bar downtown

578
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,239
Speaker 1: and Gary used to show up and saying we were

579
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: like holy cow, oh my gosh, you know, but they

580
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: weren't a band yet. There was just always different configurations

581
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: of them up there and we were looking for me

582
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: through this. So Gary would show up and sing with

583
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: Jay and Joe Don playing a different band. Yeah, they

584
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: would sing at the Fiddle and Steel like when they

585
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: weren't out with Shelley right, and there was some other

586
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: but they weren't but they would come together and play,

587
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: but then they all go back there on their own ways. Yeah, okay, yeah,

588
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: I think Gary might have been singing back up for

589
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: Michael English at the time. And then Billy Currington would

590
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: show up and he would just hop up and sing,

591
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: so we would we would be all kind of hanging

592
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: out together. And and then I think I think it

593
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: was Joe do On first or Gary first, one of

594
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: them sang with us first, and then that didn't work out.

595
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: So you're saying a little big on at one point,

596
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: was you Kimberly and one of the flat. I wish

597
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: we had one of them in here, one of the flats,

598
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: Like if Jay were in here, then we could really

599
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: tell the story together really well. We should do that sometimes.

600
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 1: But yeah, they were not a band yet. We were

601
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: not a band. And Jay is still mad that I

602
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: we never asked him to be in a little big town. Yeah,

603
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: if it were Joe don though, it would probably the

604
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: greatest looking band of all time. Joe don Um. Yeah,

605
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: Joe don't play with us for a little while. And

606
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: then then Jay, Gary and Jodan decided they should be

607
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: a band. That's crazy. And so then we got the

608
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: phone call of like, we're going to be a band.

609
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: We love you all, but sorry, and we were like, dad,

610
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: gum it, we've been working on this forever. In your mind,

611
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: what was the perfect scenario at that point. At that

612
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: point we thought then Jimmy, Jimmy was a part of it.

613
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: Who did you think the band was going to be

614
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: at that point. I thought it was gonna be Jimmy,

615
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: Kimberly and me and Joe Don. Yeah. I kind of

616
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: thought Gary was just chasing his he was he was amazing,

617
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: but I could tell he wanted to do something with

618
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: Jay So And then then we were like, well, Dad, comet,

619
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: this just isn't meant to be, like not with not

620
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: with them, And then they put out a song and

621
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: it like just took off. I mean literally they left

622
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: us in the dust like that. Well it I mean,

623
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: we were happy for them, but it was not saying

624
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: you weren't happy. But you're on the same level. One

625
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: day and ninety days later, they're on freaking They have

626
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: a number one show, They're like on every late night show.

627
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: They're selling millions of records and and opening up for

628
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: Vince Gill and all these people, and weird, still we're

629
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: still back at the house part of the band that

630
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: you was in. Your band is now selling a million records. Yeah,

631
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: that's crazy and weird, but it also shows you how

632
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: fast things can happen. Yeah, like, I talked to so

633
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: many writers and performers and they're like, you know what,

634
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: it was never happening, and there it went. I never

635
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: thought it was gonna happen the next thing, you know,

636
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: I look back and it's like that was the moment

637
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: for them, that was the moment. That's why you can't

638
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: quit because like we didn't. We didn't have the easiest

639
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: of journeys. But um, it was so like meant to be.

640
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: Clearly they were supposed to be the Rascal Flats and

641
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 1: clearly we were supposed to be in the band together.

642
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: If you call them the Rascal Flats, I'll get piste.

643
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: Oh did I say that? Many do not like that?

644
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: Well did I say that? I'm sorry because they scolded me.

645
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 1: They're like, Bobby Rascal Flats. We're not called the Rascal Flats.

646
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: Do I call you the Bobby Bones is not even

647
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,439
Speaker 1: near a microphone. I was like, I guess that is weird.

648
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: Somebody said the little you do not call me the

649
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: body because we're not the Rascal Flats. Sorry, y'all, I mean, yeah,

650
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: the Rascal Flats goes to the thing. It's not you

651
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: and Kimberly again, Well, it's me Kimberly and Jimmy and

652
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: you guys have now decided we're gonna try to make

653
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: it as a trio. Well, somebody challenged us, like to

654
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: make it for really early on in the days, a

655
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 1: guy named Brian Tankersley, who was an engineer. He was like, man,

656
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: if you guys added a fourth person, it would it

657
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: would give you the flexibility to like one person take

658
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: the lead and keep the three part like country triad

659
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: going on and so much more versatility. And we're like,

660
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: you're right, that would be cool. But that finding that

661
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: fourth person was really really hard. I mean, that's part

662
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: of the story of the Rascal Flat deal way back

663
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: years ago. So we met Philip after all that happened.

664
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: We met Philip through a songwriter in Nashville, and Kimberly

665
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: and I met him at Starbucks and Franklin and we

666
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: exchanged music like CDs and like he had his own music.

667
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: Was he a lead singer of whatever project was? Yes,

668
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: And he was about to sign he wanted to do

669
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: like a Johnny Lang like Blue Um, you know, singer

670
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: songwriter deal. And he was about to sign his life

671
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: a way to kind of not a great publishing deal

672
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: actually a bad publishing deal, and so anyhow he we

673
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: talked him out of that and we got it. We

674
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: got in the car, Kimberly and I were like, well,

675
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: he's way too too handsome and well spoken to be good.

676
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: So we were dreading putting his CD in the car,

677
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: and then there that we hadn't heard him yet, just somebody,

678
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: somebody had been bragging on him that he was an

679
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: amazing singer. So that was like going to be the

680
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: exchange of music. And we got in the car and

681
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: we were like, oh my gosh, he's got this voice.

682
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: And we had always said if we could have a

683
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: singer that sounded like he smoked all day, that that

684
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 1: would really change the texture of our voices together. And

685
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: that's what Philip sounds like. Was there somebody in between

686
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 1: Jimmy and Philip or seven somebody's where you kept trying

687
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: and they didn't. It didn't work. No, And we never

688
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: sang as a band until we were Philip and Jimmy

689
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: and Kimberly and I. The night at the Opery, I

690
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: think we sang in CIA's conference room with Joe Don

691
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: once as Joe Don is the other member Jimmy, Joe Don,

692
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: I gotta ask jod on that, but I think it

693
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: was one afternoon on like a conference room deal of

694
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: playing our agent songs. I have video. I don't think

695
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: I have video of any of the Joe Don Gary stuff,

696
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 1: but we have video, like way back, I have video

697
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 1: of like since CIA meetings and where we were trying

698
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: to figure out if we could afford to open up

699
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 1: for Billy Gilman and what people don't understand. You say

700
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: afford to open up. It costs money. It's not like

701
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: I'll just use my girlfriend as an example because she

702
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: won't care about user. She's opening for Brad Paisley right now,

703
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: and Brad says, I'll give you one dollar per show,

704
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: and you have to figure out how to get your

705
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: travel there, how to eat, how to pay for your band,

706
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: and sometimes it cost a dollar in five cents, so

707
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: it's can you last for She's doing like sixty days

708
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: with Brad, and Brad's very generous to her, and his

709
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: people are so kindle, and it's they're very She got

710
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 1: lucky with Brad um but a lot of our struggle

711
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: and they lose money forever forever. And then when you're

712
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: splitting it four ways, I'm going to get that in

713
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: a minute. I don't even know how I mean. Then

714
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: you're like really, like are you splitting it four ways? Yeah?

715
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And I used to rent the van. It

716
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: was my job. I would advance the shows and the manager.

717
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: I was like the tour managers. Sometimes I would advance

718
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: under a different name. What's your fake name? Do you remember?

719
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: I can't remember? Was something crazy like Karen could be crazy?

720
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: That would have been good. Why didn't I think of that?

721
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: I needed you run? Yeah, So, but we would we

722
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: would have to come up with, okay, a sprinter van,

723
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: not a sprinter van on a white van, you know,

724
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: not even a mini bus with little beds, but it

725
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: feels like you're laying in the back of a truck

726
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: when you hit bumps lane. Yeah. If this would just

727
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: be like a regular fifteen passenger van, and then we

728
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: would figure out meals and Starbucks and and literally I

729
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: have video of like me beating little big Town bracelets

730
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 1: in the front of the van because we needed to sell.

731
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: We needed to sell like ten bracelets and fifteen T

732
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: shirts and to have guests to make it back home.

733
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: Do you look back at that time then and go, man,

734
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: that was fun, Like man, that we're looking back at

735
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: the struggle, the real struggle, because I I do that now.

736
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: I look back when I was at the time, it

737
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: was more of the paycheck to paycheck, like I was

738
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: below and now we have to do extra things to me.

739
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: But that was the most fun because I had everything

740
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: in front of me. Yeah, we used to go. We

741
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: would we would drive for hours and hours and hours,

742
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: and just the four of us, and we were so tight,

743
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: and we would just like dream, just sit out and

744
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: dream and while we were driving of things that we

745
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: could do and what we would do if we ever

746
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: had a little bit of success and a little bit

747
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: of money. And that's why now it's so amazing, it

748
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: really is, because it was a long, long, long time.

749
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: Who was the person who said little big town that name? Yeah,

750
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: a little bit um it was. It was a publishing company,

751
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: a little bit town publishing And did they go away

752
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: before you name? And so you thought that's cool, keep it. Well,

753
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: we we were messing with town names because of like

754
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 1: Kimberly and Jimmy and Philip are like from tiny, tiny,

755
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: tiny towns, and I was a little bit of the

756
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: city girl, and we were trying to find names that

757
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: reflected the music, and somebody turned over a CD and

758
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: it's a Little Big Town Publishing and we were like,

759
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: maybe that's the name. You know again, you become kind

760
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 1: of names, you know what I mean, Like you said

761
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: about Florida Georgia line or it was not, but now

762
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: a Little Big towns is a name. Yeah, it's just

763
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: the name of the group that you hear all the time.

764
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: It's not even weird. But I would think that the

765
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 1: first time, Little Big Town that was weird too. Yeah, yeah,

766
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: it's hig inside it is. Think about the first time.

767
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: It is very selfish thing for me to tell anything

768
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:03,919
Speaker 1: about I think about the first time and you won't

769
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 1: remember it, but that you ever heard my stupid name

770
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: Bobby Bones? Like who it's that a pirate? That a

771
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: porn star? Like? So is Bobby Bones your real name? No? No, no,

772
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: why would like Bobby? And so I was given that

773
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: name when I was like seventeen and I got to

774
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: get her copy of my book on the way out.

775
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: I'll tell I'll sign it for him when she lives. Um. Yeah, no, no,

776
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I was. I know I was, I know

777
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: it wasn't It's only on Wikipedia. Don't worry. No, no,

778
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: that's not a real name. And I don't even hide it,

779
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: but it's um. It was forced on me. I was

780
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: seventeen and so like you can be Bobby Bones, Bobby Z.

781
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: I was a kid. I know, I was like, well

782
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: Bones at least sounds like an actual person. And so

783
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: everywhere I was, I went, I was connected to somewhere

784
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: else because I went from Hot Springs, Arkansas to Little

785
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: Rock shared some listening audience Little Rock to Austin, Texas,

786
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: and I was already doing nights, and then Austin I

787
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: was started doing a national night show, and then the

788
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: morning everything was connected. I could never leave the stupid name.

789
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: Everybody went to had the stupid name. It's not stupid now.

790
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: It's not because it's normal, because it's normal, and it's

791
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: because it is something you know, like it becomes I

792
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: feeling a little hurt you myrtal name, like a little

793
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: bit might be. I'm gonna be honest and be selfish

794
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: for a second. My feelings a little hurt you know

795
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: my real name. That's okay. I didn't want to hurt

796
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: your feelings. We should that. That's honestly, when you can

797
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 1: openly ask and hurt feelings. When you can put other

798
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: people at the risk and see it means you're being

799
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: open and honest. I'm sorry. Why would you be sorry?

800
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: You didn't know. Let me talk about wag walker for

801
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: a second. So let me talk about wag Walker for

802
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: a second. It is an on demand app for getting

803
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: a dog walker. It's like an uber for your dog.

804
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: Used it all the time. Just search wag walking in

805
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: the app store. You can search wag I love it

806
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: because again, let's say I'm at work and it's like

807
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 1: one PM and my dogs said go out, I go boop.

808
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: Find somebody close and they'll come to the house. So

809
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: thoroughly vetted, so I mean they know these people quality experience.

810
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: You can GPS track your dog's walk. You have notifications

811
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: if your dog uses the bathroom, peace, poops, your apple,

812
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: actually bark at you. There's a photo, report, cards, subbody

813
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: after each walk. You know your dog's home. It's safe

814
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: in details and how many times to use the bathroom.

815
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: You don't have to be home. That's when I use it.

816
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: That's the only time I use it actually is when

817
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: I'm not home. Wag send you a free lock box,

818
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: or you can leave an alternate home access instruction and

819
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: so you can say, hey, get in this way. You

820
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: know they typed his coat in. My dog just jumped

821
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: up here on me right now. Thank you, Dusty and

822
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: the dog walker can will come in anyways. I must

823
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 1: have I think you must have apt for every dog owner.

824
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: Just search wag walking in the app store. Could your

825
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: first wag walk for free by texting the word bones

826
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: to three to four bones b on s to four

827
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: wag willn't do your link download the app beach first

828
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: free wag All right, so add some stuff for you here,

829
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: wag walker. You have a dog? I do, honey, um,

830
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: old dog, nine months old puppy? Are you training the puppy?

831
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: Who's training the puppy? We have a trainer um out

832
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: at Cedar Valley Canine. Really good. Yeah, why do you

833
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: have a trainer for yours? My dog is now fourteen

834
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: and when I had my dog when he was young,

835
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: I could not afford a trainer. Um. So yeah, animals

836
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: are expensive. My dog is a better life than I do.

837
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: Probably like he just chills where downstairs his own room,

838
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: just chill like being a single guy, and you know,

839
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: nice hours. We got some room, got the backyard. He

840
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: has his own rooms. I got kids or anything yet,

841
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 1: So he just chills you. You'll just be a great dad.

842
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. If I don't know,

843
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. One more thing you don't know about

844
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: I don't know anything. I want to play some stuff

845
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: like stop talking about me. I don't wanna talk about me.

846
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: You're a little big town. You're in a van. You're

847
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: driving all around the country. Are you opening for who

848
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: when we're in a van? Yeah? Probably the most Phil Vassar.

849
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: And then Keith took us out on like a weekend,

850
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: a couple of weekends of shows. Was it Keith because

851
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: I had a bunch of talking to Keith? Was it

852
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: Keith while he was still crazy Keith? Or was the

853
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 1: Keith after he kind of fixed himself. The first ones

854
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: were crazy Keith um and then not crazy Yeah, but

855
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 1: he let me tell you, even crazy Keith was still

856
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 1: like this amazing good I didn't know crazy Keith sold

857
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: like just amazing person. And so yeah, just a different

858
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 1: part of his journey. But both we we too. We've

859
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: toured with Keith more than we've toured with anybody. And

860
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: Keith was the first guy that ever gave us a

861
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: chance on a big stage, like an arena tour. It

862
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: was him Little Big Town week on the Bobby Cast.

863
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: It's little Big Town Week on the Bobby Cast. Did

864
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 1: you guys consider like a band or a vocal group?

865
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: Like we like Boys to Man or you like Hanson?

866
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: Like if you had to pick one, Like, what did

867
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: you consider yourselves? Because a lot of times we just

868
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 1: see maybe three of you and then one has a guitar,

869
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: maybe two guitar. Well, but you haven't I know, I'm

870
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: going to get my feelings hurt. I've seen your shows

871
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: and you've been around you. Of course you have been

872
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: around you, But I'm saying yeah, but but you haven't

873
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: seen us play like just the four of us. Let

874
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: me think for a second, Hold on a minute, have

875
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: I ever seen before? So like, to be fair, I

876
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: don't get to I'm on the road every weekend. My

877
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: feelings really aren't hurt. Good because you can wikipedia my

878
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: name really easy. Um, Okay, back to my question, do

879
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 1: you can see yourself more like Boys to Man or Hanson?

880
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: But wait, can we get back to the name thing

881
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: really quick? What did ever you want your control here? No? Um?

882
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: Like John Mellencamp doesn't like to ever be referred to

883
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: as John Cougar Mellencamp. Yeah, so I didn't know if

884
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: if your name, you didn't know my name. It's okay,

885
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: I didn't know your name, but I didn't know if

886
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: I don't a bad thing. Now, of course there's no

887
00:46:58,440 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: But like I told you before, we went on. There

888
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 1: they go on and I got into a screaming match

889
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: on this. There's no rules here, okay, just talk about

890
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: say whatever you want, ask whatever you want. I don't care, okay.

891
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 1: So back to Hanson or boys men, Are you more

892
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: like handsOn or boys? To many men? I think okay,

893
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: but I think more like hill billy mamas and the

894
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: papas are Fleetwood mac Fair. But people maybe that don't

895
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: know music or below thirty five won't get that reference. True,

896
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: but we'll they'll get boys. Amen, Water runs dry. I'll

897
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 1: make love to you on Bend de Kneed. The two albums,

898
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: the Blue album, Are you kidding me? You go? Come on? No?

899
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: I love them. Nineties. I just saw them sing last

900
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: year with Dan and Shay. It was awesome. Yeah boy, Yeah,

901
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: you can check about seventies versus nineties? Yeah? Why so okay?

902
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: So okay, your boys to men, your country boys to mend.

903
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: Here you are, you're up there, and let me play

904
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: a song for you here. Tell me about the song

905
00:47:52,040 --> 00:48:02,959
Speaker 1: right here? This sounds like a church song. Yeah, yeah,

906
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: it's not like the guys part from the girls parts

907
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: are split up on purpose where you're not allowed to

908
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: dance with each other. It's like you're singing across from

909
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: each other at church. That's picture in my head. You

910
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: know what that that is. That's an overthought record. Um,

911
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: and that is us not having our voice, like not

912
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: fully knowing who we are. But there's elements of us

913
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: way in there. You know what do you hear with

914
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 1: some good stories about this record? Time? Um, we didn't

915
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: want that to be the single comment for first single? Yeah,

916
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: but they didn't listen to us. Did you begrudgingly go

917
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: out and perform it? And like, oh no, because we no?

918
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: But but and I like I like the song. We

919
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: like the song. Fine, it's just that we it shouldn't

920
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: have been a first single and and the record um,

921
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: and we blame ourselves for this, but we it's kind

922
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: of like a vanilla dout version of us, you know,

923
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: like very too much thinking you can get in the

924
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: studio and just like think too much, and you can

925
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: have people around you that think too much, and sometimes

926
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: that doesn't make for the best music, but it also

927
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: is part of the journey. It's like sometimes you just

928
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: don't come out of the gate getting it right, and

929
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: it's not anybody's fault. Like the people that we made

930
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: those records with were obviously trying hard. You know, they

931
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: wanted us to break and they weren't trying to do

932
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 1: a bad job. They weren't trying to put a bad No,

933
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 1: not at all. I wondered Lee of my favorite group,

934
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: Karrent Lee, by the way, I wonder if she is

935
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: like man I could have been Kimberly in a little

936
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: bit too, No, because I think she thinks too much

937
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: that that she had a path and we had a

938
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: path and it was all what it was supposed to be. Okay,

939
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: so don't waste my time? Doesn't work? Right? Do you

940
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: get dropped after that? Um? I think we had do

941
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: we have one more? I think we had one more

942
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: single than we got dropped. And so when you dropped,

943
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: how does that work? What do you get a call?

944
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: And we were on the five o'clock news, you know,

945
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: Dimitria Calademos and everybody. I think that's channel. I can't

946
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: remember what channel that is. Um. We were a part

947
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: of a mass exodus of artists at Sony and I

948
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: think they're like fifteen artists that got dropped and we

949
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: were one of them. But for some reason we got

950
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: mentioned on the news and that we had owed like

951
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: millions of dollars in recording debt. But isn't that you

952
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: don't really have to pay unless you make it right. Yeah,

953
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: And but it was weird that we we were on

954
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: the news and it kind of really it just sucked

955
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: because we were thinking, God, now we're damaged goods. We're

956
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: two label deals in you know, we were out of

957
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: the Mercury deal. Now we got dropped on Sony. We

958
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 1: had Boondocks and bring it on Home, and Sony still

959
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: dropped us. So that means they really didn't want us.

960
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: When you said you had Boondocks, like it was already

961
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 1: out or you had it sitting there ready to we

962
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: had it ready to go ahead, it wasn't out yet.

963
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: You never listen to this on the radio. I love

964
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: the end of the song. Thanks. This was the first

965
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: time we we got the sound right and like got

966
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: in the studio and we didn't have anybody looking over

967
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: our shoulder and we made the music we wanted to make.

968
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: And we were broke and like three broken relationships and

969
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: a husband that passed away, and it was a difficult

970
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: time for the band, but we found our solace in

971
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: making music. And you know, when you're desperate, then you

972
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: really get down to it. Could you feel like when

973
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: you're recording this on someth much different? Yeah? Really? Oh yeah,

974
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: because it's hard to feel different. One. Things just haven't

975
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: gone right for a long time. You know where we

976
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: felt different When we were in Afghanistan, we had this

977
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: song and we could tell the soldiers like they just

978
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: loved this song about home and they didn't know us.

979
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: We didn't have a hit, and they talked about this

980
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: song all the time. It was it written at the

981
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: end for it to be the breakdown, you know, the

982
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: yeah that was in I always wonder how do you

983
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: guys decide who? We were sitting around just like this,

984
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: and we were at Wayne Studio and he was like,

985
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: you know, because let's it feels like it needs like

986
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: a cool vamp on the end, but like something that

987
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 1: le love it would love, you know, like something cool,

988
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: like that feels familiar and yet it's new. And so

989
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 1: he started singing that, and then we started just kind

990
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: of vamping around parts, and he was like, that's it,

991
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,439
Speaker 1: that's it, And then we one by one quickly went

992
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: in and just started singing those like ad libby things,

993
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: you know, five Church town Sundy, It's that was just

994
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: the thing that that happened. Wayne started it and then

995
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: he yeah, I think he came up with that, you

996
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: know what. I like it. First of all. I like

997
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 1: all those voices, and to me it sounds a bit

998
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: like um um, I want to hear something the round

999
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, And I loved that, you know. I

1000
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: love so boondocks. So you had Boon Dog and you

1001
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: didn't You didn't go out like you had it. You

1002
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: were just holding onto it. We were holding onto it.

1003
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: And then we we we took Boon Ducks and bring

1004
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: it on home with us when Yeah, which is this

1005
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: was the biggest single we'd ever had right here, not

1006
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: yet in the story. I love this song. Why do

1007
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: you love this song? I don't know if I love

1008
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: those long harmonies, and I think it reminds me of

1009
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 1: that time in our lives. Sentimental Bring it on home.

1010
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: So you take these with you to the new deal

1011
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: to a no deal, I mean we had no deal.

1012
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: And and so that's when we we went out to

1013
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: Wayne's studio and we just made just a record, and

1014
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: we had probably eight songs that ended up being on

1015
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: the road to hear record and we are lawyer pitched

1016
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: him around town to people without telling people who it was,

1017
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: and because we were kind of damaged goods and just

1018
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 1: to get feedback. And again we got rejected several times.

1019
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: And then Mike Krasky, who was our old um kind

1020
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: of one of the higher ups at Sony, who had

1021
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: gotten blown out when we got blown out, he felt

1022
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 1: like it was unfinished business and he just really always

1023
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: believed in us. So he and Clint Black were starting

1024
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: to label an indie label, yes Clint Black and and

1025
00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: so we took this record over there to them, and

1026
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: and then it took off like and it was so amazing.

1027
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: I gotta wonder before it took off, though, So there

1028
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: are four of you and it hasn't worked. How close

1029
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 1: did you guys get to go on, Okay, this isn't

1030
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: gonna work. We're gonna have to go our own ways.

1031
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: We never did you really never did. No. I remember

1032
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: one truck stop on the way to Boston where Kimberly said,

1033
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: what are we doing? Because we're so tired and so broke.

1034
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: But it was just like a laughing like what are

1035
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: we doing? We're crazy, but I just think we're just

1036
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: we're just so stubborn, you know, like just not gonna quit.

1037
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: And so we just kept going and then this happened.

1038
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: So what was it? What hit first for you where

1039
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, this one's got some real legs. Okay.

1040
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: The day we were I think we were in we

1041
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: were in a North Carolina's studio like parking lot with

1042
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: our radio guy in the car, Jeff Davis, I think

1043
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: it was Jeff Davis. Yeah, and we were sitting there

1044
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: we got a call from our then manager and we

1045
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: had been crucified in the US, like for like everything

1046
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: from the way the record looked, you know, that first

1047
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 1: record that you were playing from the videos too, just

1048
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: like I mean, we're wrong with you. And they were

1049
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: just saying like put together band, overproduced, slick um, you know,

1050
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: boy band with girls in it, you know, just any

1051
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: kind of criticism. I mean, we were written up in

1052
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: the Tennessee and like worst review ever. It was horrible,

1053
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: like all these things went on. So one day after

1054
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: we've been out on radio tour, we got a call

1055
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: and they said, hey, um, Bob Orman. And I don't

1056
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: know if your listeners know who he is, but he's

1057
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: like country music critic forever and ever and ever. Do

1058
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: you know him? Robert Orman? And he wrote a critique

1059
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: of the record and he said, this is a revelation.

1060
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: I take back any negative thing I've ever said about

1061
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: this band. And that was like, I mean, I think

1062
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: Kimberly started crying like it is turning around, Like this

1063
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: is the moment It's turning around. So that and it

1064
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: really was. He really helped change people's perspective that we

1065
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: had made the record finally, that we needed to make

1066
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: and people should pay attention. And then Keith heard the

1067
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: record and then that's when he took us out. So

1068
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: what song was the radio song at that point? Boon Docks.

1069
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: So you now I've put it out, so you have Boondocks.

1070
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: But the words on the chart, because it wasn't a

1071
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: number one, was it went to eighth. And I used

1072
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: to mail leg copies of this when we had it

1073
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: at Sony and we weren't supposed to really be doing

1074
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: anything with it. I used to mail it to radio

1075
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: program directors and just that were friends of ours and

1076
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: say what do you think? Just to get feedback, you know,

1077
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: like Jenny Rodgers in Boston. I've mailed it to her

1078
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: and a couple other guys just to say, like Greg Swedberg,

1079
00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: I think, um huh. So just people that seem to

1080
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: like even the first record, that saw the potential there,

1081
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,479
Speaker 1: and you know those people have been friends of ours

1082
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: ever since. I'm sure I wasn't supposed to do that,

1083
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: but I did. History is full of people who weren't

1084
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: supposed to do things, who did things, and that's how

1085
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: things happen. That's right. You gotta make it little Big

1086
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: Town Week on the Bobby Cast. It's Little Big Town

1087
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: Week on the Bobby Cast. About this one right here,

1088
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: because this is when I first started being like, who

1089
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:42,439
Speaker 1: are these guys? I want to cook and chase make

1090
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: sure I know I love I love this record? Are

1091
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: you supposed to say that about your own records? I

1092
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: think if you do, say it's very you were very honest,

1093
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: because you're not supposed to say if you do. But

1094
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: if you do, it's a really honest thing to say,

1095
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, I love it. I love it because that

1096
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: again was like a defining moment for the band, like

1097
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: because we were in the studio with Jay Joyce. It

1098
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: was it was just the first time we had done

1099
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: something again. That was a new chapter, a new relationship

1100
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: of production. Jay is a lot different than Wayne. They

1101
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: both have they just have very different ways of producing records.

1102
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: And Jay won't let you think about anything. It's all

1103
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: about instinct and what feels good. And when he started

1104
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: crafting that moment right there, he was so in it

1105
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 1: and like it was almost like watching a conductor, you know,

1106
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: he had some of those crazy parts I could tell

1107
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: in his head and he was just like just going

1108
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: for it. And it it sounds like that. It sounds

1109
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: like people in there really singing and going for it

1110
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: without overthinking. And we never thought that that would be

1111
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: a single, much less than number one record. We didn't

1112
00:59:54,520 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: eat um. We didn't even play this for Dungan until

1113
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: the very end of playing the record because we were

1114
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: scared to play that for him. We waited until we

1115
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 1: played everything else. And that was like the twelfth song.

1116
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: We were like, and we have this and what was

1117
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: his response. He liked it all. I mean, I think,

1118
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: I mean, he was so happy about Pontoon because he

1119
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: had heard that song the demo and he was like,

1120
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: you guys need to stop. Everybody was saying, oh, it's

1121
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: a smash, it's a smash, it's a smash, and he

1122
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: was like, hey, it's not a smash yet. Wait, like,

1123
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: hold on until you get in the studio and you

1124
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: make it a smash. And he was right about that.

1125
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't you can't start saying that when

1126
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: you don't even haven't even recorded it. So but he

1127
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: turned around when he heard it and he had the

1128
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 1: biggest grin on his face and he's like, well, you

1129
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: did it. Yeah, that's it. Natalie Himby was in sitting there,

1130
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: We're talking about this song, and she was like, you

1131
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: know when it whenever they wrote it was back this

1132
01:00:57,720 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: be into the water, you know, and they had to

1133
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: change the word. What what what do you guys? I

1134
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: mean sometimes live I still say it, but on the

1135
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: record it's not though it's hitch back this hitch into

1136
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: the water. Okay, Yeah, she said she probably told you

1137
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: the story about the guys on the boat with them

1138
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:16,439
Speaker 1: when they bought a boat and she's like and he's

1139
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: like that song. She's like, have you ever seen people

1140
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: do that in your show? That maybe like in a festival.

1141
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: I mean not people that would buy tickets to the show,

1142
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: but I've seen people on a festival, like we're clearly

1143
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: they were coming to see Blake or somebody that was on,

1144
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 1: and we were on in front of them, and they'll

1145
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: they'll whisper things like why did she wear that? Or

1146
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: I hate this song? Have you ever seen people do that? For? Yes,

1147
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: because either when we play festivals and we oddly get

1148
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 1: put on big festivals in good spots. But the thing is,

1149
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: you either know us or you have no idea, Like

1150
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: it's seem a music we play at the river stage right,

1151
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 1: that's like this the big ones in a a football field,

1152
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 1: the one that you guys played, And then they put

1153
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: the b X on the river and we're not even

1154
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: to be at but they puts the river and perfect

1155
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: spot four pm right before everybody goes over, and I

1156
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: remember like a third of the people because they want

1157
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: to leave because somebody good was coming after us. They

1158
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 1: were like, what is happening on stage right? And I

1159
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: can just see it in their faces. So yes, But

1160
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: they were just confused by that we're jumpsuits and all

1161
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: of that. But you guys are actually good, though there's

1162
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: a difference, like our thing is stupid, but uh, pontoons

1163
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: first number one, Tornadoes number one. Um, I have so

1164
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: many things. Yea was and then tornado and then I

1165
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: can't something that didn't work I think was next. So

1166
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: you're side of the bed. I remember watching I was here.

1167
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 1: I remember watching the performance like in the bed and

1168
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,919
Speaker 1: the person doing like the circles. And I always loved

1169
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: your songs. This is the truth. It seems like I

1170
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: love the songs that don't make it more than I

1171
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: like the ones that do. It's weird. Whatever you're about

1172
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: to say, I say it because I love there are

1173
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 1: songs of your I'm just disgusted when they don't make it.

1174
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 1: I just so angry at the industry. I know this

1175
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 1: came out in a time when not very many ballads

1176
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: were on radio, and so I don't know if that's why.

1177
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: But we wrote this with Lorie McKenna girl Crush. Yeah,

1178
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: I loved this song. Thanks. I had this this chorus

1179
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: and the melody of the verse in my phone for

1180
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: a while, and and then Lorie had the hook. Yeah,

1181
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 1: I was disappointed when it didn't work. So such a

1182
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 1: song like whatever else whatever on the radiol like song

1183
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: should win, which later ended up happening with a Girl

1184
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 1: Crush Franklace Like, yes, you guys kind of kicked out

1185
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: wall down of kin Ballad's work. Well you really did.

1186
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: It was like kenneball and you don't get much slower

1187
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: than Girl Crush Crush hey too, and man, I mean

1188
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: I think You're the bed is just as good as

1189
01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 1: Girl Crush. Yeah, I know, will you help the one

1190
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 1: a lot, but this, regardless of who helped what, I'm

1191
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: just so disappointed your side of the bed didn't work. Yeah,

1192
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: because I love Girl Crush obviously, but when you're side

1193
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: of the bed didn't work. But this song, all of

1194
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: said is about girl Crush, and I think this story

1195
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: has been told thousand times. Is that. I think that

1196
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: kind of kicked the door down for balance, at least

1197
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: in my company, which is the biggest company and my

1198
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: new boss which I'm very close to, who brought me

1199
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: here and then helped bring him here. It was like

1200
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 1: look at this, like this works, Yeah, and the power

1201
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: of of that once it started, I mean, remember the

1202
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 1: remember how it happened when you played it, and then

1203
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 1: it went from what was it? It wasn't even on

1204
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 1: the chart, and then it was like bam, it was

1205
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 1: like number four or something. The number two. I remember,

1206
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: I remember exactly because I remember us talking. We were

1207
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: in New York and Day Drinking was about to number one,

1208
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: and this record was about to come out, so Day

1209
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: Drinking was the single, and I was like, I'm not

1210
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 1: listening to the record till it comes out. That's always

1211
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: not rule, and list the record comes out. Record came

1212
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 1: out at midnight, and they were like four songs that

1213
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: one of the guys who worked at your label, Steve, said, hey,

1214
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: he's just some other songs. And I heard girl Cross.

1215
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:11,919
Speaker 1: I was like, holy crap. And I was in New York.

1216
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: Video was like, Amy, if to play the song, I've

1217
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 1: got so much trouble. I've told you before they did

1218
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: that to you, before they spent up research money my

1219
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 1: company did to research this song. I see it was

1220
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 1: hurting my show. How are you kidding? So this is

1221
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 1: why they literally spent thousands of dollars because I was

1222
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,479
Speaker 1: playing it all the time, rightly, researching to see if

1223
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 1: the controversy was hurting you. So it wasn't It wasn't

1224
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: a radio song, and it was to everybody else was

1225
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: a lesbian song. But I thought the song was so

1226
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 1: good and I started playing it and I'll play it

1227
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 1: and I like it songs so good, and I I

1228
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: did it for like a week, right, And so my

1229
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: companies were they get worried and they they hire without

1230
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: my knowledge and not even a bad way. One of

1231
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: those rooms where people could sit in it, and and

1232
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 1: they one of the rooms called my research rooms, uh

1233
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 1: focus yea like a focus room, and they had people

1234
01:05:57,880 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: listened to it and see if it was making them

1235
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 1: ang me that I was talking about it. And it

1236
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 1: ended up being like sixty percent we're okay within weren't,

1237
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: which is still pretty high. But you mean, how on

1238
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: the negative side, Yeah, yeah, well, I mean a lot

1239
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: of people think we made up the controversy, but we didn't.

1240
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you didn't make up the controversy.

1241
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 1: I know, but I've had I've had people in the

1242
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 1: business stop me and go, man, that was a good one.

1243
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 1: Y'all did like what do you think that we would

1244
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 1: actually do that? When you guys came to the studio

1245
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: there these are memories I haven't thought of since. But

1246
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here, and you know, you sit with someone,

1247
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: you remember things. You and Kimberly came to the studio.

1248
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: Did you two? We're talking about it, and Emily was

1249
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: listening to the show in d C. And Emilly, you

1250
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: are rights for the post she and she messages me, Hey,

1251
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 1: She's like, that's a crazy interview that song like, And

1252
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: I was like, there's a story here, and don't put

1253
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 1: me in the front of the story. Put somebody else

1254
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 1: because it will automatical turn people off because I've been

1255
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: screamed about it forever. And she put like a DJ

1256
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 1: and I w or something first and did me second?

1257
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 1: And boom controversy and it was I love controversy. I

1258
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 1: was love, but it was it was that weird for

1259
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 1: you guys. Did you feel like you were being attacked? Well,

1260
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 1: we had done a few interviews kind of a couple

1261
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 1: of weeks before, trying to like ward off some of

1262
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 1: the negativity that of just like maybe moms that didn't

1263
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 1: think they wanted their children to hear I want to

1264
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 1: taste her lips in the morning on country radio and

1265
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: they were calling into complain and so we were getting

1266
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 1: on there saying, you know, oh, it's a song about jealousy,

1267
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: and you know, just having to try to like get

1268
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 1: the stations to play it, that we're thinking about dropping

1269
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 1: it because of the negative calls. So then this happens

1270
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 1: with you, and I remember you saying, maybe a couple

1271
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: of weeks before the Kimberly and I session, you said

1272
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 1: to the four of us in the studio, doesn't it

1273
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: make you all mad that, like you have like such

1274
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 1: a big selling song on iTunes and you're like at

1275
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 1: number forty something on the chart. Do you remember saying?

1276
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 1: That's what then started it to you. And then Kimberly

1277
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: and I came back. The post thing was written. The

1278
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 1: Iowa guy wrote his thing. Jimmy saw the Iowa guy.

1279
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: I guess he wrote something on a blog or something

1280
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: about it. He saw that on the bus late one night,

1281
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: and I remember us all gathering in the front lounge

1282
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 1: to the bus and going, oh my gosh, what is

1283
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: going to happen? And all I really cared about was

1284
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:30,520
Speaker 1: that the song didn't get lost in the shuffle of controversy.

1285
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,720
Speaker 1: I was afraid it was gonna go away, and I

1286
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 1: was like, this is such a special lyric such a

1287
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 1: special song. Please don't let this go away. You needed

1288
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:45,759
Speaker 1: the shuffle for the song to get out. You needed

1289
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: the shuffle for other songs to get out. That's the

1290
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 1: weird thing about it all. You guys just didn't do

1291
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: this for a girl crush, Like I'm not kidding, like

1292
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 1: other ballads that you should be here from Cole Swindel,

1293
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 1: that those songs like that would not have been on

1294
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 1: the radio if you guys want to put out girl crush,

1295
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 1: because that song was against everything that ready was supposed

1296
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: to be. By the way I was pulling my hair,

1297
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 1: I'm frustrated, right, I'm talking about it, and this is

1298
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 1: two years ago. It was everything wrong with radio. It

1299
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 1: was slow, it was female, well it probably ballads weren't researching.

1300
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 1: It was yeah, everything it was the six eight waltzing

1301
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 1: was wrong with it except it was perfect. Except for

1302
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 1: it was perfect and it stood out like it was.

1303
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 1: You couldn't ignore it, you know. And that's what If

1304
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 1: there's anything that I learned through the years of when

1305
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:35,599
Speaker 1: you're making music, it's like you have to stand out

1306
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: among the pack, even if you fail, even if you lose.

1307
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's so much better to be like fire than

1308
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,680
Speaker 1: it is to just be ignored back to how he

1309
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 1: first started, rather beyond the worst dress list, then no

1310
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 1: list at all. That's right, that's right, and I'm okay

1311
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: with you. And I get beat up all time by

1312
01:09:54,479 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 1: the the Guard, the natural Guard, kill the Let me

1313
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 1: tell you what other song really irritates me and I

1314
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 1: know you guys just lost. It was Happy People. I

1315
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: love that song. I was playing in the dance part.

1316
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 1: That was such a good song. I think Happy People

1317
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 1: is going to have its life Somehow can you sell

1318
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 1: it to a cartoon like a movie? Like well, I know,

1319
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:17,719
Speaker 1: doesn't it feel like yeah, it's again. It's so different.

1320
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 1: People were scared of it. It sounds seventies ish to me.

1321
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 1: It has that kind of bell bottom I hear bell

1322
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:27,600
Speaker 1: bottoms dancing. I hear people at would stock listening, and

1323
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 1: I think that different always scares people until it's not

1324
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 1: different anymore. And I was so disappointed. And you know what,

1325
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 1: when we're in the studio, we're always setting out to

1326
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 1: be different. And so when we made that record, we

1327
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: could have cut it a different way, and we specifically chased, chased,

1328
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,720
Speaker 1: chased the very things that you're saying, like, well, we

1329
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 1: were listening and referencing to old records and going the

1330
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,599
Speaker 1: kick should feel like this, and it should feel very

1331
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:57,600
Speaker 1: like train ish, you know, not trained the band. Um.

1332
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 1: But you know it's it's not just one of those

1333
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: records that just jumps out and smacks upside the head.

1334
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 1: Is a radio hit, I guess, but I think, but

1335
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 1: I think it would have been. I do too. I

1336
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 1: love it. I just keep playing it, just put everybody off.

1337
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 1: I think it should be like in a commercial. I

1338
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 1: do too. I think you should be in a cartoon

1339
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 1: or something. It's so happy and I was like happy

1340
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 1: songs to me too, And I think it's an important,

1341
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 1: important sentiment for right now. How about this one. It's

1342
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 1: a very good song. I did, like I know the

1343
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 1: new the song and when you guys played it at

1344
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 1: the c MT Awards. I love the song to begin

1345
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 1: with because it's it's very it's very musical message e

1346
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:48,520
Speaker 1: I love message song, love songs that you can hear words. Um.

1347
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 1: Although like it's a lottle risky, I know, a little

1348
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:56,520
Speaker 1: risky to go and and I know throw a Baladi

1349
01:11:56,640 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 1: song out with Jimmy, I know with but but it's

1350
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 1: it's the rule of the band it's like we just

1351
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 1: we have to go with what we think, you know,

1352
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:09,760
Speaker 1: we just have to go with our gut, and we

1353
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 1: have to go with what also we see people reacting to.

1354
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 1: And I don't think you can. That's the research. You

1355
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 1: cannot ignore people lighting up in an audience, even though

1356
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 1: people will say, well you can't. Don't ask your mom,

1357
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:26,680
Speaker 1: you know, of course, but she's gonna like everything you like.

1358
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 1: But when you see people moved by a song or

1359
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 1: they're talking about it, or you know, you're so good

1360
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 1: with your fans, you can see what they're talking about,

1361
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 1: what they love, what they light up about when you're

1362
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: doing your stuff. So it's the same thing. We can

1363
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 1: see it too. So we're just gonna roll the guys

1364
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 1: love it and see if it works. I love risks.

1365
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 1: I love failing because that means at least I gave

1366
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 1: it a big I know. I told Luke when Luke

1367
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 1: Brown one day we were on tour, and I was like,

1368
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:59,759
Speaker 1: you can't remember not having to hit you. He didn't remember.

1369
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 1: I mean, he he does remember, but he you know,

1370
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 1: he he's like one of those guys that just and

1371
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,679
Speaker 1: his fans they just adore him, and I do too.

1372
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 1: We do too, but he it's been a long time.

1373
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 1: Some people can just try risky things and radio is

1374
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,680
Speaker 1: gonna play it all the time. I don't know. For

1375
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 1: some reason, we haven't always been that band, but that's

1376
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 1: okay because when we we do have them, it's huge

1377
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 1: and radio has been so good to us because you

1378
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 1: have females in the band, Like that's the real reason.

1379
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 1: Regardless one you hear it or not, do you think

1380
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 1: absolutely it is? You don't think this industry is like

1381
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:37,640
Speaker 1: a little like the females and you have females that

1382
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:41,679
Speaker 1: and you guys do an amazing job because I don't

1383
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 1: know if you call yourself the lead vocalist, but you're

1384
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 1: the lead vocalist of the group and in everyone's mind

1385
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 1: because you sing more of the lead parts. So the

1386
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:51,600
Speaker 1: main voice that you here's the female. So it's like

1387
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 1: you think of Lady and bellum, that's a girl. That's

1388
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 1: a girl band. They're two guys and a girl. But

1389
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 1: it's do a girl band. And so that's why that's

1390
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 1: all it is. Does this format a bunch of haters? Well,

1391
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this. A few years ago I was

1392
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:12,679
Speaker 1: so discouraged about this subject, and I think there has

1393
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 1: been a little bit of an improvement. I mean to

1394
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 1: see Kelsey Maren really bust through and on a Grammy

1395
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:25,600
Speaker 1: level bus through that we've made progress. It's better than

1396
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 1: it was a year ago, and in the year it'll

1397
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 1: be better than it is now. You don't want a revolution,

1398
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 1: you want evolution, because the revolution comes and goes. The

1399
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 1: worst thing to happen when people start throwing females in

1400
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 1: the radio just to put females on the radio. Yeah,

1401
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 1: because it's so much better when it has substance and

1402
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 1: and girls right substance songs. It's just more difficult to

1403
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 1: play it on the radio. And and I just think

1404
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 1: it's it's not balanced, and it's not true real life

1405
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 1: when you're not playing women. I don't even want balance

1406
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 1: because I'm okay if it's imbalanced the other way, I'm okay,

1407
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 1: it's good. That's all I want. Like, let's not not

1408
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 1: do things because of something. And I see how I

1409
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 1: deal with it all the time. But well, oh, I'm

1410
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 1: gonna ask one more thing before we wrap up, like

1411
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 1: are you making a lot of money in your clothing line?

1412
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:17,639
Speaker 1: Because I wouldn't think you would early. It's a new business,

1413
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 1: you know, it's like it's a brand new baby. Are

1414
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 1: you in the whole a lot? Though? No? Do you

1415
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 1: have investors like that came in you call me and

1416
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 1: be like, hey, you wanna be you wanna Yeah, you

1417
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 1: want to invest on the Worst Stress List? Those are

1418
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:33,559
Speaker 1: the kind of less I like to invest it because

1419
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 1: you get in low right, the stock is low. Um,

1420
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 1: it's been successful. Tell me about this line. It's been successful. Um,

1421
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 1: and my have a partner and apparel partner in New

1422
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: York that like executes the vision. Um. But I'm not

1423
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 1: a person to just throw my name on something. So like,

1424
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to New York early in the morning and

1425
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:02,759
Speaker 1: we're brainstorming about a few pieces and I will hover

1426
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: over fabric for hours and hours and hours tomorrow and

1427
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 1: I will I'm not a sketcher, but I will like

1428
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:14,520
Speaker 1: write out notes tonight, like all the time about details

1429
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 1: and what I want to do. I really love fashion

1430
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 1: and I always have and I love it's an expression

1431
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 1: of the music in a deeper way to me, and

1432
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 1: it's part of your personality. I mean, I love that

1433
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 1: you guys are wearing those jump seats and stuff because

1434
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:33,600
Speaker 1: it it is y'all's personality. It's your personality and it

1435
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 1: is so identifiable. It's like you know, bam, you're saying

1436
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 1: something you know we're saying is the raging idiots. This

1437
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 1: is the god's honest truth. Like that band became it

1438
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 1: should never become anything. It really shouldn't have because Ronnie,

1439
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 1: I can't sing and we're not good, and you can sing.

1440
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 1: I saw you. So secondly, uh, people would come out

1441
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:55,720
Speaker 1: with I'll be like, what is this about? Because the

1442
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 1: last thing I want to do is see an actor

1443
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 1: get up and try to be an athlete or an

1444
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 1: actor get up and try to be a singer. I'm

1445
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 1: not trying to watch Eddie Murphy downloading songs. So I

1446
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 1: was like, okay, people are always all right, prove me

1447
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 1: you suck, prove me wrong. And I was like, I

1448
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 1: don't want that. We're gonna put on stupid jumpsuits and

1449
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 1: so you know, we walk out there, we know we're

1450
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 1: not serious and you're gonna have fun and that's it. Well,

1451
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 1: and I mean that's why you're selling out places because

1452
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 1: people are having a big old party. You know. That's

1453
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 1: the key to to Luke. That guy knows his audience.

1454
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 1: You know your audience. He knows his audience. He is

1455
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 1: so in touch church. He knows his audience. He goes

1456
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 1: out there and it's like he's you know, it's like

1457
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 1: method acting. It's like not not that he's an actor,

1458
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 1: but you know what I'm saying. He is in tune

1459
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 1: with what his fans want to I get it because

1460
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 1: I know what my listeners want, and I try to

1461
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 1: give them exactly what they want because I know what

1462
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 1: they want because I am them. It's the weirdest thing.

1463
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 1: Sometimes I think we don't like, we don't give we're

1464
01:17:56,760 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 1: sometimes we get lost in our own art of You're

1465
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:04,640
Speaker 1: also four people, to be fair, with four different personalities,

1466
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 1: very different and lives and influences. And so I mean

1467
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 1: you're a mom, your mom. Yes, that's like your kids

1468
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 1: famous to me. I see him on Instagram. I'm like,

1469
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,559
Speaker 1: your kid, your kid. If I saw him, be like,

1470
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 1: holy crap, look your kid. You're a kid's famous to

1471
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 1: me because I want to see him on Instagram. I

1472
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:26,599
Speaker 1: like picture it all the time. Jimmy's coaching basketball right now.

1473
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:29,680
Speaker 1: We have a double double game tonight. How does he

1474
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 1: does he coach all the time. He's the coach, He's

1475
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 1: the co coach. Of this league of basketball. Are you

1476
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 1: guys able to have a somewhat normal neighborhood where people

1477
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:43,839
Speaker 1: do Yeah, yeah, yeah, we I mean, you know, school friends.

1478
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 1: And Alata doesn't know that this is not normal. He

1479
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 1: thinks getting on the bus and you know, is he

1480
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 1: cool because of you guys? Like is he popular because

1481
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 1: his mom and dad? I don't really have a I

1482
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 1: don't know. I really don't know. I do know that

1483
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:04,759
Speaker 1: I almost cheered up at the Predators game when Elijah

1484
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 1: didn't know it, but he was sitting He knew he

1485
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 1: was sitting behind Keith because he knows Keith from touring,

1486
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 1: but he was sitting next to mac Davis and he

1487
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 1: didn't know it. And mac Davis is just one of

1488
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 1: the greatest songwriters ever. And and when the Predators scored,

1489
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 1: the whole you know suite erupted with joy, and Keith

1490
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 1: turned around and slapped a logeah five, and then mac

1491
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:31,640
Speaker 1: Davis slapped a loge of five, and I was like,

1492
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 1: my child does not know that he is He is

1493
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:41,639
Speaker 1: literally slapping five with two people that have so much

1494
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:44,720
Speaker 1: musical influence on not just me as a writer and

1495
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 1: a singer, but on country music history. I mean Keith

1496
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 1: as a future Hall of Famer. Mac just won the

1497
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 1: Icon Award. We sang in the Ghetto. He wrote, in

1498
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:57,600
Speaker 1: the Ghetto, I mean so I got a little. I

1499
01:19:57,640 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 1: get teary eyed on things like that, just because I

1500
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,600
Speaker 1: think Key someday he'll understand it. Does he want to

1501
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: sing because his mom and dad do. He more likes

1502
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: to dance, and he credits Luke all the time that

1503
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 1: that's where the moves come from. He's kind of a

1504
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:14,080
Speaker 1: good dancer. He plays drums, plays a little guitar. He sings.

1505
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:15,680
Speaker 1: When he sings, he I think he's going to be

1506
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 1: more into rap music just like his mom. He loves

1507
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson and Bruno mars Like. He likes things that groove.

1508
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:26,680
Speaker 1: So he's not his into our ballads as he likes, like,

1509
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 1: you know, the fast songs of the rock and songs. Well,

1510
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 1: I think I see Kelsey Maron you are the next.

1511
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:36,760
Speaker 1: We only have one left on the wall. These are

1512
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 1: I have six pictures on the ball that I keep.

1513
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 1: I don't put anybody else up there. Those are like

1514
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:43,480
Speaker 1: the people there's are like, it's it's you guys, Kelsey

1515
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 1: and listen, I'm working. I do. I get all this

1516
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 1: cray get crap all time, all time. People send me crap.

1517
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 1: There's a plot, here's a crap. I don't keep any

1518
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 1: of it. I'm so glad we made the wall. Those

1519
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:55,639
Speaker 1: are like the people that I really enjoy being around.

1520
01:20:55,720 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 1: And it's Kelsey, you guys, Maren passed a Jansen and

1521
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 1: Urban and Urban is the only one that hasn't come

1522
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:05,760
Speaker 1: in yet. I haven't let him yet. This was never

1523
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 1: gonna be artists. It was never gonna be gonna bring

1524
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 1: song writers in. And then Marin was the first artist

1525
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 1: to go, can I please come on? And I was like, no,

1526
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 1: how long we keep Marin off? Two months? And then

1527
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 1: and then Dirk's nose, Kelsey and Jake Jake, Has Cam

1528
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 1: done it? Because you and Cam are friends? No, Cam

1529
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:26,679
Speaker 1: hasn't done it yet, can't our friends? Has Lindsey done it? Yeah?

1530
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 1: But it was different. It was when we first before. No,

1531
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 1: now was when we first started dating. Huh, like we

1532
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 1: first started dating and so she came on then. But yeah, anyway,

1533
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm glad to have you in. Did you have fun? Yes?

1534
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 1: I hope I didn't bore you. No, if you'd bore

1535
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 1: me out to change subjects Now listen, you are the

1536
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 1: genius what you do and I do what I do.

1537
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 1: So would you know, like, would would you be mad

1538
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:53,600
Speaker 1: if I had a radio show? No, but I'm bad? No,

1539
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:56,680
Speaker 1: Just like we were talking about Lindsey No, like like

1540
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 1: Eddie Murphy, like you wouldn't you know when you were

1541
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:02,559
Speaker 1: talking about as becoming singers and different Like I like

1542
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 1: Chuck Wicks and Chuck's over on the Cumulus session and

1543
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 1: he's he's an artist. I think that they're making him

1544
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 1: kind of play a character over that there's really not

1545
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 1: But I like Chuck, and I think, yeah, I don't

1546
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 1: want to care. I like everybody should go out and

1547
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 1: just do the best I can do. Make what I mean.

1548
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to do a

1549
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 1: radio show, but I think it's too hard. I think

1550
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 1: it's hard. You don't sleep. I don't know how you sleep. Well,

1551
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:26,599
Speaker 1: that's all back from Haiti. I'm on the road every

1552
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 1: weekend since January. Told him, well, I've been doing stand

1553
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:32,800
Speaker 1: up all weekend, but my clock's never I want to

1554
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 1: come to a stand up show that we didn't want.

1555
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 1: I didn't want to tea back and but you'd be

1556
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 1: on the road, well not as much this summer. Yeah,

1557
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 1: I don't do it. Have you ever had Josh Wolf here?

1558
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:47,559
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, I know Josh, but never had

1559
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 1: him here. But you know who played because I did.

1560
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 1: You know. Here's a funny story for you. So, um,

1561
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 1: first of all, it's a Nashville show. I don't like

1562
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 1: to play Nahville shows. I love my Nashville listeners. But

1563
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 1: everybody from all of the blog in all the pain,

1564
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 1: they all want to come out and see if you suck.

1565
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 1: It's not see if you're good. They all want to

1566
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 1: come out and just see if you suck because they've

1567
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:08,640
Speaker 1: been seeing ticket sales, they've been seeing Twitter posts, the

1568
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 1: fall theaters. Let's just see if you suck. That's what

1569
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:14,560
Speaker 1: everybody's thinking when they come out, right. So I'm like, great,

1570
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 1: but I like my nationalistics are amazing, but I just

1571
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:19,840
Speaker 1: it's like I don't want to deal with to see

1572
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 1: if you suckers? Right, So like what just I just

1573
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:25,120
Speaker 1: want to do it? Because so Ross Confran comes out

1574
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 1: and he comes down and Ross's friend he's been on

1575
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:30,800
Speaker 1: and so Ross comes down and he plays um the

1576
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 1: song that he wrote for Chesney one of like yeah,

1577
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 1: the big going with Pink Sunshine and the pink dumb

1578
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 1: what is it? Yeah on the world Ifire sings that?

1579
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 1: And Carly Pierce, who I'm taking out with me is

1580
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:45,640
Speaker 1: my main act for the next for the rest of

1581
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 1: the year. She's my she's my support. And so she

1582
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 1: comes out and plays. And who do I who comes up?

1583
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 1: Who'd I bring up? Is that? Krall? Okay? So ja

1584
01:23:56,439 --> 01:24:00,639
Speaker 1: za karlis okay? He's Sam He produced h like boy

1585
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 1: like a background. Okay. I don't know who he is.

1586
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 1: I had no idea who it was. I don't I

1587
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 1: don't know that I've met Zach, but I know his name.

1588
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:08,639
Speaker 1: I do nothing about him and all of this. I'm

1589
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 1: doing this bit where I don't run the bit, but

1590
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 1: I juggle knives and hump a face and stuff, right,

1591
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 1: And so I have no idea who he is, but

1592
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 1: I'm humping his face basically, And he didn't know had

1593
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 1: to bindfold on. Everybody's laughing, and he goes back down

1594
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 1: to a see I finish show, and I was like, oh,

1595
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:24,680
Speaker 1: there was a guy by like a background, and I

1596
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 1: was like, oh, so he's coming in like three weeks.

1597
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 1: I I owe it to him, right, like to come in.

1598
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, he should come out. Sometimes he wasn't mad though,

1599
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 1: I don't know because I didn't care. It will be

1600
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 1: your second fight. I didn't do the show. Do you

1601
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 1: ever have any hecklers there? Had? Um no. Two reasons. One,

1602
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:47,880
Speaker 1: I do theaters. So the theaters are usually between a

1603
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 1: thousand and depending on what town I'm in, and they're

1604
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 1: in seats and it's very everybody you have you their attention, right.

1605
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:58,360
Speaker 1: Theaters are different thing. Yeah, No, it's different for us too.

1606
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 1: It's so no because tickets aren't super cheap. People are

1607
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 1: there to really like focus and have in the crowd

1608
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 1: usually shut people up. If listen, somebody starts yelling something

1609
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 1: crowd like, shut, they'll beat them up. So I don't

1610
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 1: have to worry about that. Like my people always have

1611
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:19,719
Speaker 1: my back breakout. Yes, I was in uh well Boston,

1612
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 1: there was a fighter Boston. They fought before I got

1613
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 1: in there. But in in western Massachusetts. Uh, someone stands

1614
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:30,599
Speaker 1: up in yells I'm gonna shoot you, and I'm like, oh,

1615
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 1: I already had it. I've had like five iNTS and

1616
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:33,759
Speaker 1: nets right where I think I'm gonna like die already,

1617
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 1: and so I'm like, well, so I just sit down

1618
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 1: behind the speaker, because I know the promoter is gonna

1619
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:39,639
Speaker 1: not pay me if I leave the stage, because there's

1620
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 1: sometimes promoters may not be the nice as the guys

1621
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 1: may be looking for reasons and not paying me. And

1622
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:46,679
Speaker 1: so I was on a contract not I was doing

1623
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 1: my hour set and all of a sudden, it's a

1624
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 1: fist fight in the audience. There's another fist fire below

1625
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 1: it and only the stage and I sit behind it

1626
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:54,640
Speaker 1: and I just keep talking. The cops came. It was

1627
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:56,720
Speaker 1: the whole thing, and then they get pulled everybody theater

1628
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 1: and I was like, so anyway, pulled everybody out of there,

1629
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:01,760
Speaker 1: They pulled their was fighting. They put people to jail.

1630
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:04,640
Speaker 1: It's amazing. But I never left to stage. And then

1631
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 1: I went back into the act. Everybody was kind of

1632
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:09,639
Speaker 1: but I've stopped to show before what the fight? Oh yeah,

1633
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:12,720
Speaker 1: because I saw like a guy like trying to hit

1634
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:15,240
Speaker 1: a girl and I was like, oh no, no, no, no,

1635
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:17,040
Speaker 1: like right in the middle of a song. Is that

1636
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 1: before you too? Uh? Like before people started doing that

1637
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:24,639
Speaker 1: on YouTube? Yeah? Maybe because I think that'd be put

1638
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 1: up all over the internet. Yeah, you know what happens.

1639
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 1: It fights happen a lot drinking it's the drinking. It's

1640
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 1: the drinking hand. I mean, I would think it a

1641
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 1: nary church show that it would be like a fight

1642
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 1: every night or every everywhere. You would just which are

1643
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:40,760
Speaker 1: the crowd would like to look and see a fight.

1644
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 1: But and with Luke we would see them get really

1645
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 1: like really having a good time, and some of them

1646
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 1: would get out of hand, you know. But I don't

1647
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 1: like that. I want you to like, come and have

1648
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 1: a good time for me because it's quiet, and I

1649
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:58,000
Speaker 1: don't go on until like this show starts, George, only

1650
01:26:58,040 --> 01:26:59,720
Speaker 1: seven show starts to day. My first act goes on

1651
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 1: and say Walker open for me for six months, Carly

1652
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 1: wool now, and then I'll come on third right and

1653
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 1: do sorry. By that point, if they're drinking, they've been

1654
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:10,879
Speaker 1: drinking a lot and it's really quiet so you hear everything.

1655
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's fun. I hope you come sometimes. I

1656
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 1: would love to come. I'll come. I not come to

1657
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 1: one of your shows some time, okay, and i'll wikipedia

1658
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 1: you before we do this again. Here's the thing. People

1659
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:25,640
Speaker 1: don't realize that really you don't get to spend a

1660
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 1: lot of time to people in this town because when

1661
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 1: you're home, you're doing home stuff and then when it's

1662
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:33,080
Speaker 1: time to do like people stuff, you're on the road. Yeah,

1663
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 1: the only time we're like the Monday, Tuesdays, Wednesdays sometimes. Yeah,

1664
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:39,200
Speaker 1: I'm glad you came by. Well, thank you for having me,

1665
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 1: and thanks for letting me do the voice. I didn't

1666
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 1: let you do the voice. First of all, there was

1667
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:46,600
Speaker 1: not nothing I know, but you you were gracious about it.

1668
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 1: There was nothing even gracious you had to go to

1669
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 1: the Wheeler Walker Jr. Do it. Yeah, you know, I

1670
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 1: just met him at Liz Rose's album release. He was like, yeah, yeah,

1671
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:02,360
Speaker 1: he's raazy, nice guy, Like I don't even gonna run.

1672
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:05,240
Speaker 1: I think he follows me now on Instagram. Was so honored. Yeah,

1673
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 1: he's nice friend. Um, well, thank you, thank you. I

1674
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 1: hope this was therapy. It was awesome and I think

1675
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 1: like you go into Haiti and surprising Amy was the

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Speaker 1: sweetest thing I've seen anybody doing a long time. That

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Speaker 1: was she was about to like she was losing it

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Speaker 1: on the show. I'm a little uncomfortable because not because

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Speaker 1: of the subject, but because she's done that like twenty

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Speaker 1: times and I did it once, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: people are like Bobby you're the greatest, And I'm like,

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Speaker 1: that's no idea, I know, but that she's you're her friend.

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Speaker 1: That's like a best friend going, hey, I wanted to

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Speaker 1: go meet your kids. Yeah, that's the best friend thing.

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Speaker 1: Like we're not radio co host. I can tell your

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Speaker 1: best friend like that's like, yeah, you wouldn't do it

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Speaker 1: if you mean, like, I don't you think Mike d

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Speaker 1: I crap at him. I'm just kidding my deal. Let

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Speaker 1: my dad, Mike says my intern like years and years

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Speaker 1: and years and year and years ago, that whole shows

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Speaker 1: my team from friends that none of them are radio people.

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Speaker 1: Thankfully Lunchbox no lunch box for thirteen years, memory bar.

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Speaker 1: So they were all on the Austin Show, the talk show.

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Speaker 1: Some of them were yeah, Amy lunchbox were Ray was

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Speaker 1: an intern. Morrigan my executive producer as an intern. Mike

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Speaker 1: was an intern, like everybody was. Does Ray really have

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Speaker 1: bed bug bites? S? I don't know what he has

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Speaker 1: on it? I don't. I don't ask that questions. I

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Speaker 1: saw the Instagram today. Yeah, well we're gonna go talking

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Speaker 1: to us episode what does my sixty six? I feel

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Speaker 1: like I've learned. Thank you for the trip. Down memory lane.

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Speaker 1: I'd really right. I mean that, Karen Lee, there's something

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Speaker 1: to that. You should re explore that maybe every year.

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Speaker 1: Al Right, we're gonna go, thank you very much, that

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Speaker 1: little big town week on the Bobby Cast.