1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. You can follow Ian Rappaport, the NFL Network 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: insider Ian Rappaport on Twitter at rap Sheet and Ian 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: kind enough to join us this morning. Good morning, Ian. 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: Let me start with our poll question. Russell Wilson will 6 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: be the quarterback of the Seahawks, Raiders, Cowboys, Bears, Saints 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: at the start of next season. I would say probably 8 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: the Seahawks. I mean it's not impossible. I think one 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: thing we've learned in the NFL this year is that 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,639 Speaker 1: quarterback trades, massive quarterback trades, the kind that we used 11 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: to scoff at years ago, they can happen. I mean 12 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: it's slowly becoming a little more like the NBA, where 13 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: people aren't afraid to take on dead money, they're not 14 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: afraid to make a splash, they're not afraid to take 15 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: a risk. I mean these things have now happened, so 16 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: at least this conversation that we're having now is not fake, 17 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: whereas like four years ago, I would have been like commanding. 18 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: But my guess is the Seahawks for a couple of reasons. 19 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: One forty million dollar cap it for a team that 20 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: is contending every single year is a lot. And then 21 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: let's just play that. Let's say it's the Raiders and 22 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: Derek Carr's in the trade, So then it's forty million 23 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: dollars for Russell Wilson in a dead cap hit, twenty 24 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: five million dollars for Derek Carr. That's sixty five million 25 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: dollars allogage to the quarterback position. That's a lot. The 26 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: other thing is Pete Carroll is seventy years old. He 27 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: does not want to rebuild. So if you're trading Russell 28 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: Wilson and you told me you wanted to start the 29 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: dynasty again and rebuild, I'd say cool, that actually would 30 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: make some sense. Pete Carroll doesn't want to do that. 31 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: A trade doesn't make sense for any party. How did 32 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: we get to this point with Seattle? Well, I think 33 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: it was slowly building, probably from like week eight or nine, 34 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: when Seattle's offense went from letting Russ Cook to whatever 35 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: it was we saw at the end of the year. 36 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: You know, he started turning it over. They kind of 37 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: started focusing on running the ball to stop him from 38 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: turning it over and go back to the brand of 39 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: football that had made Seattle famous and I don't think 40 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson liked that. He wanted to cook. He wanted 41 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: to get the MVP votes. He wanted to be the 42 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: kind of superstar quarterback that he is and that we 43 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: see other quarterback like Aaron rodd You know, the Packers 44 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: run the ball with Aaron Rodgers, but Rogers is the star. 45 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: The running game is not the start, right, And that 46 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: was a philosophical difference in the fact that they had 47 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 1: to play the season out and it didn't kind of 48 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: get resolved during the season, only led to this little, 49 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: you know, kind of mini war of words or whatever 50 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: you'd call it. Now. He was involved in the picking 51 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: of the offensive coordinator. That was good, but they still 52 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: got a lot of work to do to kind of 53 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: get everyone on the same page here. But when he 54 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: came on the show a couple of weeks ago, you've 55 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: been around Russ. He doesn't open the door and really 56 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: answer things honestly, and you know, everything is gohawks and 57 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: he wants to tell you all the things that he 58 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: thinks you want to hear. He opened the door for me, 59 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: and I don't know if it was off of going 60 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl. He looked miserable He's watching Yeah, 61 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: Mahomes and Brady and going why am I not playing 62 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: in another Super Bowl? But do you think that it 63 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: was orchestrated on his part to allow me to ask 64 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: those questions? I wondered about that. It was an eye 65 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,399 Speaker 1: opening interview. I will say that, like when I think 66 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: I first saw the clips on Twitter and I'm like, 67 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: what is happening here? I had to go and kind 68 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: of click, which you know obviously for you, like you're 69 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: doing an interview and someone has to go from Twitter 70 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: to day Art, where can I find this? That's a 71 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: great interview. I thought the whole thing was eye opening. 72 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: I started to get a sense before the super Bowl 73 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: that something was happening, Like I got wind of teams 74 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: calling the Seahawks about Russell and I reported it on 75 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: our pregame shirt show before the Super Bowl. And usually 76 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: you report something like that and you get a lot 77 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: of pushback. Don't say anything, don't stir it up. We 78 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: don't need that out there. I didn't quite get that. 79 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: It was more like, well, it's true, so you happen 80 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: to find out about it, like okay, and that was 81 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: interesting to me. And then he kind of goes on 82 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: this media tour for Man of the Year, goes on 83 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: your show and a couple others, and he doesn't shy 84 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: away from the fact that he's frustrated. He doesn't like 85 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: to get hit, which I don't either. I get it. 86 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: I think it's time where he's like, you know what, 87 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 1: I'm taking ownership of myself, my career, my team. I 88 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: want this to get better. And in a way, I 89 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: don't blame him, but it just makes it a little 90 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: messy when that happens. But if you're Seattle, do you 91 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: reach out to the Bears, the Cowboys, the Saints, the Raiders? 92 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: The doors open, Yeah, the doors open. But I mean 93 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: the reality is you have Russell Wilson. If you want 94 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: to trade him, you could trade him in like two seconds, right, 95 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: Like everybody would want Russell Wilson. That's not the problem. 96 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: Trading him is easy. You could get three ones, two 97 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: ones and a great player and another good player like 98 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: you could get a great package for us. That's easy. 99 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: John Schneider is the master. He could do it in 100 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: two phone calls. The problem is who do you replace 101 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: him with? And I think that's the problem for everyone. 102 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: Like let's say, like the Houston Texans, I don't think 103 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: they're trading Deshaun Watson. But let's say they do. Fine, 104 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: you get a lot of draft picks. Who is actually 105 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 1: your quarterback for Seattle? You know, you trade Russell Wilson 106 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: unless you're taking someone of his caliber and putting him 107 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: in there, you are automatically rebuilding. So how does that 108 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: actually benefit the Seahawks. That's the real question. And I 109 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: can't help but think of Jerry Jones today or yesterday 110 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: when he saw this list that came out, And you know, 111 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: Jerry loves shiny new objects, and it gives him a 112 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: little leverage. I guess with Dak Prescott whether he uses 113 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 1: that or not. Like the feasibility of the Cowboys kicking 114 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: the tires on Russell Wilson is what not very feasible 115 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: to me? The Cowboys situation is very very easy. Signed 116 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. He is one of the best young quarterbacks 117 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: in the NFL. He actually got more valuable when he 118 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: hurt his ankle because the team was not good. Like 119 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: I see. It's crazy to me. It's always been crazy 120 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: to me when I saw people argue that Carson Wentz 121 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: was better than Dak Prescott. It's like it's almost like 122 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: what am I watching right? Like, to me, it was 123 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: obvious that Dak where he was and Carson was going 124 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: the wrong way, which I think has been pretty clear now, 125 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 1: but it'd always be like what are people saying? Like 126 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: how are they missing this? And I kind of feel 127 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: like that with Dak too, Like he's a rising young 128 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: quarterback who's actually getting better, he's a great person, rehabs going. Well, 129 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: it's going to be expensive to sign him, because yeah, 130 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: it's expensive to sign quarterbacks, but the price is only 131 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,799 Speaker 1: going up. And I'll say this, let's just say, God forbid, 132 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: the Cowboys don't sign Dak Prescott by March ninth, when 133 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: they tag him, or by July fifteen, he'll be a 134 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: free agent. Next year, he will make all of the 135 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: money and by then it's possible he leaves the Cowboys, 136 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: And again, how does that benefit Dallas? Talking to Ian Rappaport, 137 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: the NFL Network insider, did did did Shaun Watson have 138 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: a face to face with his coach or a phone 139 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: call with David Culley? It was not face to face. 140 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: It was either a phone call or could have been zoom. 141 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: There's like a could have been FaceTime, could have been Skype, 142 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of different I don't think 143 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: it was rotary phone, but it was either phone call 144 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: or some sort of face to face interaction type deal. 145 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: It didn't sound like it was much. Deshaun Watson, from 146 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: what I understand, always planned to do this out of 147 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: respect for David Culley, who at sixty five years old, 148 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: basically got his lifetime dream of being a head coach 149 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: in the NFL. I never thought it would change anything, 150 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: and it hasn't changed anything. He's where he is, the 151 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: Texans are where they are, and if they trade him, 152 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: which I got my right now, like, it's not going 153 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: to be any times. Yeah, I wondered. I thought Carson 154 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: Wentz would eventually get traded. I didn't think Deshaun Watson 155 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: would get traded. But here's Wenz who wanted out of 156 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: Philadelphia and got traded, and Deshaun Watson wants out. But 157 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: I also wonder about the timing of this. He and 158 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: because at some point these teams will move on and 159 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: go all right, if he's not available, then we'll look 160 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,239 Speaker 1: at free agents, or we'll look at the draft. If 161 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: I'm the Texans, I just say we're open for business, 162 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: like the Lions did with Matthew Stafford. Come on down, 163 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: give us your best offer, and we'll move forward. Does 164 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: that makes sense? Yeah, it does if you're the Texans 165 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: and you're okay not having Deshaun Wats Like, he's one 166 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: of the best young quarterbacks in the NFL. And even 167 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: though there's this sort of business slash personal thing going on, 168 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: he is a great person, high character quarterback, right, so 169 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: why would you ever want to trade him, like whatever 170 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: price they could give, unless it's the Jaguars or like 171 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: maybe the Jets in some sort of package. Maybe you know, 172 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: replacing Deshaun Watson is hard or impossible unless you hit 173 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: the lottery, which they already did with Watson. The timing 174 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: is really interesting because usually you say, all right, like's 175 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: the what's the deadline? Right, we need to know by 176 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: free agency? All right, we need to know about the draft. 177 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson is so good and so valuable that he 178 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: actually doesn't where he is in the market doesn't matter. 179 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 1: Like they could say in July twenty fifth or something, Okay, fine, 180 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: we'll trade him, and you would have teams ready to 181 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: offer multiple first round picks for one of the best 182 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the NFL, like I don't think the market 183 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: affects his value if the Texans ever decided to trade him. 184 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 1: I just don't understand what happened. You know, he had 185 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: that emotional press conference. He was crying, he thanked everybody, 186 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: this was great. What did he find out? You know, 187 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: I know that you know you trade Hopkins, but they 188 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 1: had traded Hopkins. Then he got his contract extension. I think, 189 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 1: so what did he all of a sudden real that 190 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: made him go, this is not the place I want 191 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, I mean, I think it when you 192 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: have a problem with the owner, that is tough to overcome, 193 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: and it's it's all in a weird situation, right because 194 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: you have Nicosiro a GM in there, you have David Coley, 195 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: the head coach. Watson doesn't have a problem with either 196 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: of them, and so they have been trying to kind 197 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 1: of make it right. But what's unfortunate is at this 198 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: point there has not been anything they could do to 199 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: change his mind because they're not even involved. It's the owner. 200 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: It's the owner promising, you know, trading his best receiver 201 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: without telling and he found out on Twitter and then 202 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: saying he would be involved in the process of hiring 203 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,719 Speaker 1: the GM just be involved, like, just let him know, 204 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: maybe talk some people, and then he finds out on Twitter. 205 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: I think that's something that to him has been really 206 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: hard to overcome. And as of I mean, I've talked 207 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: to people on all sides of this, I honestly don't 208 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: know what fixes this. I thought Drew Brees was going 209 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: to take this week to have his going away party, 210 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: like he had the week to himself. Very quiet with 211 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: Drew Brees. What do you think? Well, today's not over yet, now, 212 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: you know. Usually he'd say you wouldn't want to do 213 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: it on Friday because the Saturday papers. But I mean, 214 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: you know, papers or so. I don't know if people 215 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: think like that anymore. Could be today he's retiring. Drew 216 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: Brees is retiring. He's going to have an awesome job 217 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: in our world next year. He's gonna make a lot 218 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: of money. Are you guaranteeing Drew Brees is retiring. Yes, 219 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: he's retiring. And the reason I know that is because 220 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: one he's retiring, but two they took his salary. They 221 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: took it all the way down to the minimum. Drew 222 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: Brees is not going to play for one million dollars 223 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: next year. He's not going to play for the veteran minimum. 224 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: He's also just not going to play, so you know, 225 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: maybe he's waiting for his time. Maybe he wanted to 226 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: kind of let it breathe a little bit. I don't know, 227 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: but he is retiring. Good to talk to, Ian, have 228 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: a good weekend. We appreciate your time as always. Awesome. 229 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me Man, Take care. That's Ian Rappaport, 230 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: NFL Network Insider. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick 231 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday 232 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: morning nine to noon Eastern or six to nine Pacific 233 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for The 234 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: Dan Patrick Show at Fox Sports Radio dot com, or 235 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by 236 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: searching f s R, or stream us live on the 237 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: Peacock app. Yesterday we had Nick Wright on and he's 238 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: one of our favorites. He's a co host of First 239 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: Things First, and he used to live in Houston, and 240 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: we somehow got around to barbecue because he loves the 241 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs, and he talked about Houston barbecue is 242 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 1: not very good. Come come to cant see for the barbecue, 243 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: JJ stay for the championships. That would be my recommendation. Well, 244 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: you have lived in Houston, so you you are. Yeah, 245 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: I lived there for four years and ate what they Listen, 246 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: Houston folks say, it's been tough times. I empathize with 247 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: you immensely. But Texas barbecue is fraudulent and not It's 248 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: not like bad compared to its reputation. It's bad compared 249 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 1: to food. It's just not good. That's Nick right yesterday. 250 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: So PAULI goes. I got somebody who's going to help 251 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: us here. He's the barbecue editor of Texas Monthly magazine, 252 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: Daniel Vaughan, joining us now and the author of the 253 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: Profits of Smoked Meat, A Journey through Texas Barbecue. Co 254 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: author of Whole Hog Barbecue. He's sampled over eighteen hundred 255 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: barbecue joints, most of which are in Texas, and Daniel 256 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: kind enough to join us. Daniel, your reaction to Nick 257 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: Wright calling Texas barbecue fraudulent? Oh man, I heard it yesterday. 258 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: You just played it for me now, like I feel 259 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: personally attacked. I mean fraudulent, Like is it fraudulent? Because 260 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: like in tech Texas and Houston and Austin and Dallas, 261 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: Fort Worth, wherever you are, we cooked with wood instead 262 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: of cooking with gas, like most of the big names 263 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: in Kansas City. Is that what's fraudulent about Texas barbecue? 264 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: I can't can't even wrap my head around it. Okay, 265 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: Kansas City gets credit for maybe the best barbecue first 266 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: of all, explain with Kansas City barbecue is and does 267 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: Kansas City deserve that high of a ranking? High of 268 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: a ranking, I mean, I don't put it anywhere like 269 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: as a high ranking. I mean, I mean, to me, obviously, 270 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: Texas barbecue is number one. And so then from there, 271 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: I say, you go to North Carolina, South Carolina, the 272 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: whole hog barbecue over there, like that's better than anything 273 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna get in Kansas City. Now, Kansas City, they 274 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: got a lot of options, right, They got much like 275 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: Texas barbecue actually have some similarities. You get your brisket, 276 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: your pork, get your pork ribs, some sausage, you get 277 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: all those things right in both Texas a and Camp 278 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: the City. It's just that in Texas is the one 279 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: place where you can get a good version of slice brisket. 280 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: I mean in Kansas City, it's just it's it's so tough. 281 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: They got to slice it with a deli slicer before 282 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: they put it on your tray. I mean in Kansas City, 283 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: they argue about barbecue sauce. They don't argue about which 284 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: place has the best meat. They talk about which which 285 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: place has the best sauce. People who are ordering from 286 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: Kansas City barbecue joints are ordering sauce to be delivered 287 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: to their house, not the barbecue. Well, that's what I 288 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: wondered about. What you put on the ribs or do 289 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: you put nothing on the ribs? Well, in Texas, I 290 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: mean most barbecue here is served with sauce on the side. 291 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: Everybody serves barbecue sauce, but we don't try to cover 292 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: it up like Kansas City, right, And we don't want 293 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: to cover up the meat. We want the sauce to 294 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: be on the side of the meat can stand on 295 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: its own, because generally the meat can stand on its own, 296 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: which is not the case in Kansas City. What about 297 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: Memphis barbecue, Daniel, I mean, Memphis barbecue is good, but 298 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: it's like Kansas City. It's like you know, Texas barbecue, 299 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: for example. I'm I just got a photo from Kyrgyzstan 300 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: sent to me this morning. A barbecue joint in Kyrgistan 301 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: do in Texas style barbecue. Like last week they were 302 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: standing in Riad, Saudi Arabia, they're standing in line for 303 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: Texas barbecue. And it's like Kansas City and Memphis, they 304 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: can't even get beyond their own city limits. Setan, you 305 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: had a question for Daniel, Well, yeah, I just think 306 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: it's interesting that we keep like you keep saying like 307 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: Memphis barbecue versus Texas barbecue, or Kansas City barbecue versus 308 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: Texas barbecue, where you're taking like a population of thirty 309 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: million people and then comparing it to a population of 310 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: five hundred thousand people and being like, yeah, we're better. Okay, 311 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: how about we do all right? So you so, So, 312 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: I mean Austinston, Austin, Houston, Fort Worth, all cities with 313 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: better barbecue than any other city in America. If I 314 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: was coming to Texas for a week, what city would 315 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: I go to for the best barbecue? Oh? Man, well, 316 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: I mean for the all time best barbecue. I mean, 317 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: we do a top fifty barbecue list every four years 318 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: a Texas Monthly, and Snows barbecues at the top, and 319 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: they're right outside of Austin. Franklin Barbecue is right there, 320 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,959 Speaker 1: They're right in Austin, So I'd have to say Austin 321 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: is the best place as far as like getting the 322 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: biggest bang for your buck. What makes Snows the best 323 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: just the fact that they do everything well. You can 324 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: usually tell somebody when they're going to a barbecue joint, 325 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: like which thing to order that's really going to wow you, 326 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: and it Snows. It's like you can't break it down 327 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: like that. It's like everything is going to wow you, 328 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: like everything is spectacular. And then of course when you 329 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: go you get to, you know, see one of the 330 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: most famous Texas pitmasters, Tutsie Tominetz, who's eighty five years 331 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: old now, will be eighty six this year, doing her 332 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: thing at Snows Barbecue. So that's part of what makes 333 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: it special to Should you avoid the sides because you 334 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: need to focus on the meat? Yeah, yeah, I mean sides, bread, 335 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: and like all those things like pickles. Pickles are medicinal, 336 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: like pickles are gonna help you eat more, but all 337 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: that other stuff, like I mean, if you're going for 338 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: like just a big time barbecue tour in Texas, yeah, 339 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: you want to you want to stay away from all 340 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: the sides. Is there a good barbecue in the North, Well, 341 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: I mean Hometown Barbecue in Brooklyn. They do a fantastic job. 342 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: So I've got to say yes, and I will say too, Like, 343 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: there is good barbecue in Kansas City. There's a guy, 344 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: Tyler Harp. He runs a Harp Barbecue there. And actually 345 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: he was so mad about an article that I wrote 346 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: about Kansas City barbecue that says some unkind things about 347 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: it that he came to Texas with his dad. He 348 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: was mad. He's like, I'm going to prove this guy wrong. 349 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: And he goes to Austin, eats the barbecue, eats at 350 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: several different places, goes back home to Kansas City and 351 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: realizes that his life's mission now is to bring Texas 352 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: barbecue to people in Kansas City. So if you do 353 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: want good brisket in Kansas City, there is the one place. 354 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: It's hard barbecue, and it's because they're cooking Texas style barbecue. 355 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: What about Los Angeles, Los Angeles, let's see Horn Barbecue. 356 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: Well that's not Los Angeles. That's in Oakland. That's certainly 357 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,479 Speaker 1: high on my list of places to go visit. I mean, 358 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: I haven't had anything that like truly wowed me there, 359 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 1: but then Mooscraft Barbecue in Los Angeles is a place 360 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 1: that I haven't been able to visit yet, so there 361 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: is some good barbecue out there, but of course it's 362 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: it's going to be probably Texas style. Daniel, thanks for 363 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: joining us. I love you're fired up, and I'll make 364 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: sure that Nick Wright, here's what you had to say. 365 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: All right, I appreciate that. Thank you. It's Daniel Vaughan, 366 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: the barbecue editor of Texas Monthly Magazine. Thanks for listening 367 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 1: to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch 368 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: us live every weekday morning nine until noon eastern six 369 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 1: to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, and you can 370 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: find us on the iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream 371 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: us live on the Peacock app. He's Andrew Brant on 372 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: the Monday morning Quarterback dot Com former NFL executive and 373 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: it was a couple of weeks ago when Andrew Brandt 374 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: joined us here on the program and had this to say, Okay, 375 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: can you guarantee that Carson went into Shaun Watson will 376 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: not be traded? You got to put something up here, Andrew, Yeah, 377 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 1: you guarantee something. Yeah, I'm gonna guarantee you. Okay, what 378 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: are you willing to put up. Let's say, yeah, what 379 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: are you willing to put up? I'll come back on 380 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,959 Speaker 1: your program and gain the wrath of all the haters 381 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: saying brand you were wrong. I mean, I don't how 382 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: about how about a liquid cheese bath because you used 383 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: to be with the packers, so we Yeah, would you 384 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: do a liquid a shower of cheese on the show 385 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 1: Wisconsin Cheese? Yeah, you'll do I wear that helmet behind me. 386 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: You can wear the helmet, but you would do a 387 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: shower of cheese? Would you do that? I will if 388 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: if they're not on their teams, I will do that. 389 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: I will do that. Dan, Okay, all right, Andrew Brandt 390 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: joining us? Did you know that I was going to 391 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: play that? That's why I was having you back on today. 392 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: You know, I'm a lawyer too among my titles, and 393 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to use my legal training here. There was 394 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: an end in there, right So we're only one for 395 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: two right now. So the end includes Deshaun Watson, So 396 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: I'm not ready for that shower yet, but I'll continue 397 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: to double down and say it. Listen, the Wentz thing. 398 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: I am shocked still, not only that they took on 399 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 1: the thirty four million and dead money. That they did 400 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: it for a return of investment that just seems marginal 401 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: for someone they put in multiple number one picks and 402 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: eighty million dollars and gave him the keys to the 403 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: franchise and let holes go. I mean, it's just amazing 404 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: that happened. I underestimated Dan. The breach of trust between 405 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: the Eagles front office and Carson Wentz. That cannot be repaired. 406 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: So I guess I'm halfway towards that chief shower. But 407 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: you know my legal training, there was an end in there, 408 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: not an oor, I know, using semantics, and I did 409 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: hear that? Um you know that the lawyer in the room, mclovin, 410 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: Well he wasn't a lawyer. Paralegal O goa yeah, I 411 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:37,959 Speaker 1: mean that's almost a lawyer, right, it's parah yeah. Um 412 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: all right. So looking back on that deal, did the 413 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: did the Colts win that deal? Yes? In a word yes. 414 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: I mean listen, the way we look at future draft 415 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: picks in the NFL, at least from my time with 416 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: the Packers was you look a year out, that's a 417 00:22:55,840 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: round lower. So basically they got Carson went for two 418 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: thirds for two thirds, that's the present value of the 419 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: deal is two thirds. Now that second one can go 420 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: up based on performance. But you talk about Carson Wentz 421 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: for two thirds. Now, again, it depends what you think 422 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: of the player. If you think he's broken, sure, I 423 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: mean maybe the Eagles got a decent deal. But look 424 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: at what the Eagles are taking on a historic amount 425 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: of dead money, you know, for a third round pick 426 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: and hopefully a second or the first next year. I mean, yeah, 427 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: the Cults won that deal. And now you have a situation, 428 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: a situation with Russell Wilson and one with DeShawn Watson. 429 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: So let me start with DeShawn Watson because you don't 430 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: think he's going to be traded? Do you still think 431 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: he won't be traded given the acrimony that's going on 432 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: with the front office and that he told his new 433 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: head coach that he didn't want to be there? Yeah, 434 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, what did what did I just say 435 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: about Wentz? I underestimated the emotional trauma between the two sides. 436 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 1: And I'm still going to hold firm on Watson, but 437 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: we maybe have a different discussion. Now here's a hedge. 438 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: We may be have a different discussion in September because 439 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: I look at it from a leverage point of view. 440 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: What is Deshaun Watson's leverage? He has none. You know, 441 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: what are you gonna do miss zoom meetings for the 442 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: next four months. That's really no leverage. Now you could say, well, 443 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: the Texans got to do it before the draft to 444 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: get draft capital. And I keep coming back to who 445 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: cares about draft capital? If you have Deshaun Watson? You 446 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: know right, I'm not taking four number ones for That 447 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: doesn't help me. You know, when we talk about Deshaun 448 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: or Russell Wilson, you're not getting the same player from 449 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: all the packages that are being offered. Wait, you wouldn't 450 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: take four first round picks for Deshaun Watson. I mean, 451 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: if you can guarantee the that team is gonna be 452 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: in the top ten every year. No, No, like Carolina. 453 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: Carolina is in a rebuild. If Carolina said we'll give 454 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: you three number ones in Christie McCaffrey, no, what would 455 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: it take to Russell Wilson in your opinion, Well, let 456 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: me tell you what it would take to get Deshaun 457 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: Watson or Russell Wilson. Okay, give me your quarterback, give 458 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: me number one's couple and let me look at that 459 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: roster and pick off your top offensive young rookie contract 460 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: player and your top defensive young rookie contract player, proven proven. 461 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: I don't want picks, you know, And again, so what 462 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: so what I'm saying is stupid deals, rights, stupid stupid deals, 463 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: not Carson Wentz and the Colts, not Jared Golf, stupid deals. 464 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: And listen, Deshaun Watson is telling David Cole, I'm not 465 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: going to play for you. But again, I keep going 466 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,719 Speaker 1: back to, Okay, what his leverage is just to do 467 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: what Jalen Rams he did a couple of years ago 468 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: in Jacksonville. Get there and be a pain in the butt. 469 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: You know, that's really the leverage to get to beat, 470 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: not to hold out, because hold out you're gonna get 471 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: all that financial penalties from the CBA. You're going to 472 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: screw yourself financially. Hold in. You know, that's the new 473 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: leverage for players. Hold in. But that doesn't happen until August. 474 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: What do you make of Russell Wilson's agent saying that 475 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: there's four teams. Hey, I want to we want to stay, 476 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: but just in case there are four teams that he 477 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: would waive, is no trade too So what is what 478 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 1: is the game plan here with Russell Wilson. You know, 479 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: when I heard him on your show, on this show, 480 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,719 Speaker 1: I was shocked, and because you know as well as 481 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:36,239 Speaker 1: I do, Russell is bland, corporate, unrevealing go Hawks. You know, 482 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: that was a massive change when I heard him on 483 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: this program. Massive So something's up. And basically what I'm 484 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: gathering is some of it's Brady envy. You know, look 485 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 1: what he got, but he took twenty years for Tom 486 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: to get that, And some of it is just frustration 487 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: that he doesn't have more of a role. This one's different, Dan, 488 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: because I'm not sitting here steadfast like I was with 489 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: them with Watson. Because we haven't heard from the Seahawks. 490 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: You know, we haven't heard from the Seahawks, and there's 491 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: a lot of leakage going on. They weren't happy with 492 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: some of the things he did. He's not happy with 493 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: some of the things. They're not coming out and say 494 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: no way, no how, no way in God's green Earth 495 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: were trading Russell Wilson. So what I think his agent 496 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: put out there was, hey, we see your leaks, you know, 497 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: and we raise your leaks. If you're we're not asking 498 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 1: for a trade. That was the message, Okay, don't blame us, 499 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: but if he's traded, this is where he wants to go. 500 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: So my my ret message from that was, hey, don't 501 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: take calls from the Jets, you know, don't take calls 502 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: from the Panthers because there's not happening. But if you 503 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 1: get calls from the Bears and Raiders and sayings, okay, 504 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: you know, so I don't you know, I'm not a 505 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: step fast. I don't think he'll be traded because I 506 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: don't think the package will match the value. But clearly 507 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: there's a riff between it, whether it's Pete Carroll or 508 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 1: John Schneider. Both and Russell's can about where this is going. 509 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: But I've always thought that they don't know their offensive identity. 510 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 1: It feels like their identity changes. Now. Bill Belichick famously 511 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: can change his identity from one quarter to the next 512 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: or one week to the next. But it's Bill Belichick 513 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: who's doing this. I always tune into a Seahawks game 514 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 1: and it's like a crooked score going into the fourth quarter. 515 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, thirteen to nine and they're losing, 516 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: and then it feels like Pete Carroll goes a running game, 517 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,719 Speaker 1: didn't worry Russell out there and win the game for us. 518 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: They let him cook in the first half of the season, 519 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,719 Speaker 1: but then the second half of the season all fell apart. 520 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: I just don't know as they move forward, is this 521 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: just about offensive line protection, because I'm not sure what 522 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: Russ wants in this say so in the organization. So 523 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: how do you placate him because Pete Carroll's seventy Andrew 524 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: he's not there for a rebuild. Yeah, I know, Listen, 525 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: I'm same with you. When I watched the Seahawks, it 526 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: looks like, Okay, Russ baillis out and now they had 527 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: They had Darryl Bilbo back in the day, you know, 528 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. They had Brian Schottenheimer this year, and 529 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: I thought maybe there was some friction there. But Brian 530 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: schat Nimmer's gone. So they have a new offensive coordinator 531 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: that Suposie Russ's you know, seems to get along with. 532 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens. But yeah, I don't see 533 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: it either. But listen, I worked seven years with John Schneider. 534 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:40,479 Speaker 1: John is an aggressive GM. You know, from Percy Harvin 535 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: to Jamal Adams, He's an aggressive GM. But usually he's 536 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: the aggressor on the intake, right, the Piercy Harvins, the 537 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: Jamal Adams. He's not an aggressor on the outtake. So 538 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: to take a bunch of picks or whatever it is 539 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: for Russell Wilson. So that's why it just just doesn't 540 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: sit well. But I think the Seahawks are frustrated with 541 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: Russell and vice versa. Whether that results in a trade, 542 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: I think that's a big lead. But if you're the Seahawks, 543 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: do you call the Cowboys? Do you call the Saints? 544 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: Do you call the Bears? Do you call the Raiders? Yeah? 545 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: I guess you do, just to see if, like I 546 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: talk about it, if there's something stupid out there. I 547 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: don't know what they think of Dak Prescott. I mean people, 548 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: you know, sort of put these things together, you know, 549 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: whether he would fit with them and whether I don't 550 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: think the Cowboys want to move on from Prescott. I 551 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: think that's going to be another tag. Frankly, you don't 552 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: think Jerry Jones. You know how Jerry is. He loves 553 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: shiny new objects, And is this leverage with Dak Prescott 554 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: to go? You know what? Let's let's look at Russell Wilson, 555 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. Just a quick minute on Dak. I 556 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,239 Speaker 1: think he's in great shape despite the injury. He's got 557 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: three choices. Franchise tag thirty eight million, do a deal 558 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: that he likes, or be set free in the market, 559 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: which the Cowboys won't happen, which would you make even 560 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: more than anyone. So Dack's in great spot right now. Financially. 561 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:10,479 Speaker 1: We have an I team, Investigation, Team Investigation. The motto 562 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: of our news team is fast and wrong is still fast. 563 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: Let's go to the news from Paul Dan Andrew Brandt 564 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: lawyer air quotes said that by the use of the 565 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: word and with Carson Wentz and Deshaun Watson, he is 566 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: on hold with the cheese flume. Bet Okay, we have 567 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: further audio to illuminate details of this situation. Here we 568 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: have it. Okay, all cheese, if either one of these 569 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: guys who's not traded, okay, if one of them is traded, 570 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: then then you're you're going to be a true cheese 571 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: head and you are as well. Yes, I will, yes, 572 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: I will. Oh my god, Andrew, there was an there's 573 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: new evidence out there. Yeah, yeah, you said, if either 574 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: one gets oh my God, this show. So wait a minute. 575 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: There was an end earlier in the converence. Yes, but 576 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: then you went further because, of course, being Johnny Cochrane 577 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: puts you on the spot, and I started to twist 578 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,719 Speaker 1: the screws a little bit here. Okay, but judge, Eto, 579 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: who need a ruling here because we have conflicting evidence? Mclovin, 580 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: will you be the judge as a former paralegal? Do 581 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: we do? I think that's not a partial Does Andrew 582 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: owe us a cheese shower of shame? Yes? Well, I 583 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: was gonna say, isn't there some kind of rule about 584 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: new evidence has to be submitted to both sides before 585 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: entered into some type of you've been watching too many 586 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,479 Speaker 1: damn shows? Yeah, little Lauren order and they're like, it's 587 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: the braked a difference. You can't just put this in here, Yes, mclovin. 588 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: I mean, if the end doesn't fit, you must quit. 589 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: There will be lawyers listen. I think next time, Dan, 590 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: we'll bring on an impartial third, not one of your 591 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: not one of your guys, an impartial third, legal, legal, 592 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: legal to rule on my situation. But let's see what 593 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: happens to Watson too. Yeah, if Watson's traded, then we 594 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: don't need a legal expert to come on. Correct. Yeah, yes, yeah, 595 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: I'm a little bit stunned by the new evidence. I 596 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: need time to console with my client. Yeah, you're like 597 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: Jack Nicholson and uh you know you know Tom Cruise 598 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: a code red? Did you order a code rad? Yes? Mclaw. 599 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: Are you going to offer him a plea deal of something? 600 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: You want to plead deal and you can't handle the truth. 601 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: I can handle the truth. Do you want to please deal? Well, 602 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: we can negotiate something, you know, we can figure something 603 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: out if there's a plea, if we can double down 604 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: on Watson, you know, and you give me a pass 605 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: on this deal and then we double down if it happens, 606 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: I'd have to see you in the judges chambers to 607 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: talk about this. Okay, let's get a risk of Haggarty 608 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: from why don't we just get Judge Judy? You imagine 609 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: we get Judge Judy on and she hears that. You 610 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: know what I'm going to see If Judge Judy will 611 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: join us one day, how's that that would be great? 612 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: Would you trust Judge Judy? Yes, I would trust her ruling. 613 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: I would submit to her ruling. Okay, Okay, Fritzie, see 614 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: if Judge Judy will join us on the case, and 615 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,280 Speaker 1: if not, we'll find another judge. But you know somebody 616 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: that Andrew will approve of. Okay, Andrew, I hope I 617 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: didn't ruin your weekend. But all good, Okay, great to 618 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,399 Speaker 1: talk to you again. Thank you, bun. 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