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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to the Thursday edition of Fair Territory. I'm

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Speaker 1: Ken Rosenthal here with Alana Rizzo and Alana. I must

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Speaker 3: Ken, great to be with you.

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Speaker 4: As always, we want our viewers and our listeners to

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Speaker 4: participate in this chat as well, so please load up

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Speaker 4: all of your questions for Ken. Have an opportunity to

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Speaker 4: and Grill and Ken. But you're right, there's a lot

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Speaker 4: and Kenny, since it starts today, let's start to the

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Speaker 4: big one in the NL East.

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Speaker 1: This is the one I'll be covering for Fox on Saturday,

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Speaker 1: and I want to show people the matchups as we

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Speaker 1: get into it here because there are some great matchups here. Now,

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Speaker 1: this set the stage here. It's the Phillies five games

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Speaker 1: is a miracle to me that the Braves are this close.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe they're going to win the division, but

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Speaker 3: I love this ken.

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Speaker 4: I love that it's a four game set because it

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Speaker 4: and here they are still in the hunt for the postseason,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, stranger things have happened Ken, just ask the Arizona Diamondbacks.

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Speaker 4: And I've said this the entire season. I still do

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Speaker 1: I am with you on this, and I know they're

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Speaker 4: And this is a guy Ken that was batt in

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Speaker 3: All right, So from teams that are.

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Speaker 1: You might have seen yesterday's game in which they blew

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Speaker 1: And we wrote an article in The Athletic Stephen J

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Speaker 1: It's all about winning games right now, and Jordan Montgomery

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Speaker 4: is the first question for you. This comes from Isaac,

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Speaker 4: So Isaac, thank you so much for being a part

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Speaker 3: Ken, which is the most likely the Brewers reach the

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Speaker 3: sixty five home runs, Show Hey reaches the fifty to

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say, Show Hey, it's fifty to fifty

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Picking two.

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Speaker 4: So, if something really good something really bad, why do

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Speaker 1: Shoey keeps piling up the stolen bases and the home runs.

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Speaker 1: He's at forty two forty two right now, and he's

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Speaker 4: Okay, So thank you Isaac for that question. Lots of

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Speaker 4: But here's another question for you, doctor Anarchy sixty nine. Ken,

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Speaker 4: is Aaron Judge having the best non steroid offensive season

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Speaker 1: That is a very good question, and I would have

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Speaker 1: about non steroid seasons, you're ruling out all of those

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Speaker 1: amazing seasons by bonds. Off the top of my head,

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Speaker 1: So I would say, off the top of my head,

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Speaker 4: Best season before we move on, Before we move on

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Speaker 4: to the next one though, What about the naysayers Ken,

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Speaker 3: Have a billion home runs?

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Speaker 4: What if Aaron Judge didn't play at Yankee Stadium as

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Speaker 1: Easy answer, Alana, He has more homers on the road

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Speaker 4: See, you just ask Ken Rosenthal and girl and Ken,

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Speaker 1: A very good question. And certainly the experiences of Snell

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Speaker 4: And how about Strasburg has retired Rendon, I've played more

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Speaker 3: A's throw the first pitch in Vegas.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say before I love these questions, there

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Speaker 1: in part because I'm not fully confident the A's we'll

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I'm with you too.

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Speaker 4: I was looking at the schedule there in Sacramento between

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Speaker 3: That park is going to be incredibly busy.

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Speaker 4: Okay, another question for you, if you could have Jackson Holiday,

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Speaker 1: A great question too. These are really good. If you

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Speaker 1: both strong Rookie of the Year candidates. But Holiday, to

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Speaker 3: I agree with you.

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Speaker 4: I remember when Holiday was running around at three years

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Speaker 4: We are old, Ken, Okay, another question for you on

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Speaker 3: These are good today. Thank you guys.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate that DA DA with the Giants putting their

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Speaker 1: Timing is everything here? And it's a good question because

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Speaker 1: the last day a player has to be in an

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Speaker 1: and see if he gets claimed. Got to do it

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Speaker 1: So the coming weeks, I don't expect this to be

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Speaker 4: Sure, Jason Hayward better get picked up by somebody soon.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it's going to be the Astros.

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Speaker 4: Did they actually do it?

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Speaker 2: Ken?

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Speaker 3: I heard that he was going to the Astros.

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Speaker 1: Okay, perfect today and Chas McCormick has been optioned. That

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so Hayward obviously will make it in the postseason

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Speaker 4: Blueberry's life. Do the Jays sign Blad Junior and take

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Speaker 4: Letting Sodo go would be a massive mistake. If he

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Speaker 4: wants five hundred million dollars, give him five hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 4: Another question for you, Ken Graham. Farmer wants to know

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Speaker 4: if shoey Otani gets one more stolen base and one

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Speaker 4: more home run, he'll be the only player in the

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Speaker 4: forty three forty three club, right because obviously Akunya Junior

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Speaker 4: last year was on his way but didn't have the

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Speaker 4: amount of home runs that Otani does. Does this alone

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Speaker 4: secure his MVP title?

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Speaker 1: Graham I wrote about this yesterday and basically I said,

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Speaker 1: if he makes history forty five, forty five, fifty to fifty,

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Speaker 1: he's probably a lock. Now. Granted, it's easier to steal

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Speaker 1: bases than it's ever been in the game thanks to

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Speaker 1: the rule changes that were implemented last season, but do

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Speaker 1: we see anybody else doing it?

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Speaker 3: Exactly, anybody else doing it?

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Speaker 1: So to me, he is the clear favorite here. Now

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Speaker 1: we've seen other players have their moments this season. Mookie

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Speaker 1: before he got hurt, was probably the runaway choice, and

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Speaker 1: then katl Marte came on he got hurt. Now you're

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Speaker 1: hearing talk about Francisco Lindor having a terrific season. If

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Speaker 1: he can somehow drag the Mets into the playoffs, okay,

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Speaker 1: maybe he becomes a legitimate threat. Otani obviously is a DH.

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Speaker 1: No primary DH has ever won this award. Primary DH

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Speaker 1: has ever stolen fifty bases either. So to me, he's

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Speaker 1: the clear favorite. I know there are people who say

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Speaker 1: he's half a player right this year anyway, and you

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Speaker 1: can't make him MVP. But the way I framed that

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Speaker 1: article yesterday, if he puts himself out there so much offensively,

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Speaker 1: then it becomes no race. And don't forget Marcella Zuna

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Speaker 1: too in this conversation, Marcelo Zuna has had a remarkable

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Speaker 1: year as a DH for the Atlanta Braves.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny that you say that too, because when

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Speaker 4: I looked at this and I see it from both sides,

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Speaker 4: of course, it's what we're supposed to do. You talk

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Speaker 4: about the Mets camp Francisco Lindor saying, okay, you know

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Speaker 4: Otani doesn't play in the field.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's fair.

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Speaker 4: But then you also look at the fact that he's

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Speaker 4: about to hit the fifty to fifty club and he's

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Speaker 4: coming back from a surgery that has him rehabbing and

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Speaker 4: throwing off a mound and he's still you know, at

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Speaker 4: this point, and he's.

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Speaker 3: Still able to do what he does.

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Speaker 4: So what is your take on the fact that, yeah,

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Speaker 4: he's a DH, but he's doing some pretty extraordinary things.

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Speaker 1: Ken, I don't know that I factor in the fact

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Speaker 1: that he's rehabing. This is a performance award, and certainly

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Speaker 1: it's part of the narrative that he is doing that,

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Speaker 1: and it's remarkable. He does amazing things. It's interesting. In

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Speaker 1: the column, I presented some positive narratives for Otani and

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Speaker 1: some negatives. The positive one is just what we said,

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Speaker 1: this guy's amazing, He's incredible. No one can do what

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Speaker 1: he does. The negative narratives are, hey, it's a DH,

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Speaker 1: which we just mentioned. And the other thing is and

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Speaker 1: I do wonder if this becomes an issue, if Lindor

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Speaker 1: or even Martell comes back and these guys get close.

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Speaker 1: People don't like to vote for the same guys every year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this would be Otani's third MVP in four years, and

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Speaker 1: I wonder if voters would look for an alternative. I

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Speaker 1: don't believe that would happen. Today's voters are pretty statistically

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Speaker 1: oriented and they don't get swayed as much by narrative

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Speaker 1: as perhaps we did in the past. But it's an

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Speaker 1: interesting question.

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Speaker 3: But here's the thing too.

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Speaker 4: Otani is an MVP on a team that has the

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Speaker 4: best record in baseball that's in the postseason Francisco Lindor

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Speaker 4: and the Mets right now. Despite the fact he's having

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Speaker 4: a great year, and despite the fact he does play

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Speaker 4: a very hard defensive position, he's on a team that's

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Speaker 4: not in the postseason.

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Speaker 3: Do you put any weight on that.

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Speaker 1: I prefer my MVPs to come from a postseason team,

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Speaker 1: but I don't ever say that has to happen. Otani

510
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Speaker 1: won two not being on a postseason team. Obviously, if

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Speaker 1: a guy performs at a certain level, you can't hold

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Speaker 1: his teammates against him, and I think that's where we

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Speaker 1: are with this now. The thing that's intriguing to me

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Speaker 1: about Otani's candidacy Beyond all what we just said is

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Speaker 1: that after Mookie got hurt, he moved into the leadoff

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Speaker 1: spot and that's when he started running more. And I

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Speaker 1: went back and looked at some of his stolen bases,

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Speaker 1: the ones in August, because I was curious, is this

519
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Speaker 1: guy patting? Is he stealing third with a ten run league,

520
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Speaker 1: pulling that kind of stuff? And really, they've played so

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Speaker 1: many close games. I didn't see anything egregious. Everything was

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Speaker 1: within the context of the score and appropriate for that

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Speaker 1: particular game. So what he's doing is amazing and I

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Speaker 1: see him right now as a very clear front runner.

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Speaker 4: Last thing on this, and I don't know that there's

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Speaker 4: been many times when an MVP has ever been criticized

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Speaker 4: or gotten in because of his defense. I mean, isn't

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Speaker 4: the MVP award a very offensive award to begin with,

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Speaker 4: So the fact that shohe doesn't play in the field

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Speaker 4: shouldn't really factor in because MVPs don't usually get in

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Speaker 4: based on defense.

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Speaker 1: It generally is an offensive award. But in this era

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Speaker 1: of advanced statistical analysis, we become more cognizant of a

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Speaker 1: players all around talent. That's what war is, wins abe replacement.

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Speaker 1: It's an all encompassing metric for offense, defense, and base running.

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Speaker 1: It's an estimate. It's not perfect by any stretch, but

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Speaker 1: that's where we are. I do believe defense is valued

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Speaker 1: more than it was, so a good defender gets points

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Speaker 1: for that in the minds of voters. The criteria also

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Speaker 1: says strength of offense and defense. Now that's not the

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Speaker 1: only thing the criteria say. There's also a line in

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Speaker 1: there that says the MVP is basically whatever you want

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Speaker 1: it to be. There's no clear cut definition of what

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Speaker 1: most valuable means, and it says dhs and pictures are eligible,

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Speaker 1: so you can parse the language any way you want.

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Speaker 1: And basically, the language of the instructions to voters alone

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Speaker 1: gives us the ability and the flexibility to do whatever

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Speaker 1: the heck we want. That gives you a little bit

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Speaker 1: which way you want with this.

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Speaker 4: It should be a Unicorn award and that should go

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Speaker 4: every year to show, Heyotani, all right, we're going to.

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Speaker 1: Be back yesterday a lot. Let me interrupt you. A

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Speaker 1: player said to me yesterday, Hey, have him get his

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Speaker 1: own award every year, and then we can have an MVP.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean honestly, like, it's just he's a unicorn

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Speaker 4: and most outstanding Player, most unique players show Heyotani, all right,

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Speaker 4: All Right, dude and dork of the week, I'm Kenny.

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Speaker 4: Who is your dude?

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Speaker 1: My dude is a guy that I wrote about today,

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Speaker 1: Milwaukee Brewers rookie right hander Tobias Myers. And I know

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Speaker 1: a lot of fans around the country probably have not

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Speaker 1: heard of him, but check out his stats this year

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00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: six and five, two point nine to nine ERA and

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Speaker 1: one hundred and eight and a third innings. He has been, frankly,

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Speaker 1: the Brewers' version of Paul Skeen's not as sexy with

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Speaker 1: the stuff or anything like that, but he's been that

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Speaker 1: guy for a team that has needed a lot of

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Speaker 1: pitching help due to its injuries. This is a player

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Speaker 1: who was traded twice, designated for assignment once released once.

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Speaker 1: This is a player who was a number eighty in

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Speaker 1: spring training. A non roster pitcher, a guy who Pat Murphy,

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Speaker 1: the manager of the Brewers, told me, was not even

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Speaker 1: in the organization's top twenty five pitchers. And I actually checked.

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Speaker 1: It's true. They had thirty two pitchers in camp and

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Speaker 1: he was in the second group sent out, which was

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Speaker 1: a group of three, and at that point they had

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Speaker 1: twenty six pitchers left. So it's amazing when he's accomplished.

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Speaker 1: It's a story of perseverance and for that he is

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Speaker 1: due to the week.

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Speaker 3: Oh I love that story. Good for him.

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Speaker 4: Mine is a dog and his name is sho Hey,

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Speaker 4: sho Hey, decoy Otani. This is the coolest thing ever.

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Speaker 4: Sho Hey Otani spent three weeks coaching and teaching and

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Speaker 4: training Decoy how to throw a first pitch. So last

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Speaker 4: night was the show Hey and Decoy Otani Bobblehead Night

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00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 4: at Dodger Stadium, and he taught him how to wait

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Speaker 4: at the mound and his dad was the catcher, and

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Speaker 4: then he threw out the first pitch. It's the cutest

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Speaker 4: thing I've ever seen in my life. As if I

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Speaker 4: didn't love sho Hey Otani enough, now I love him

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Speaker 4: even more so. Decoy Otani, my friend, you are my

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Speaker 4: Dude of the week, Kenny, who's your dark?

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Speaker 1: That's a great dude, Dark. It's an entire organization. It's

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Speaker 1: the Chicago White Sox. They're on pace to finish thirty

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Speaker 1: seven and one hundred and twenty five. That would break

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Speaker 1: the record of the nineteen sixty two New York And

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Speaker 1: let's take a look at a tweet last night from

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Speaker 1: Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News, who was there

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Speaker 1: covering the game between the Rangers and the White Sox.

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Speaker 1: Guaranteed raad field twenty minutes prior to resumption of a

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Speaker 1: game with no outs recorded. Yet, how about that sad

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Speaker 1: place is empty? Man? And here's Evan again. I literally

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Speaker 1: just counted fans in the outfield seats. There are forty nine.

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Speaker 1: I've never been able to do this before. This is

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Speaker 1: just a bad look. Amen to what Evan is saying there.

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Speaker 1: It's a horrible look. It's an organization that has fallen

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Speaker 1: flat on its face in the three years since making

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. In the playoffs in twenty twenty one. Again,

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Speaker 1: so there's a lot to be said here and there's

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Speaker 1: a lot that needs to be fixed.

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Speaker 3: Baseball in Chicago. I agree with you, man. The white socks.

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Speaker 3: What a mess. The a's in the white socks, what

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Speaker 3: an absolute mess.

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Speaker 4: My dork of the week is in the al West

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Speaker 4: and I love this guy, but Jerry Depoto. It bums

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Speaker 4: me out ken that Scott Servis found out that he

642
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 4: was going to be let go based on a breaking

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Speaker 4: news alert on social media a couple of hours before

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Speaker 4: he was scheduled to meet with Jerry Depoto.

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Speaker 3: And again, this happens a lot.

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Speaker 4: I find out, you know, I find that players find

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Speaker 4: out about trades via social media. You know, Scott's Service

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00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 4: was the manager for eight or nine seasons. He didn't

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Speaker 4: even find out when he was supposed to find out.

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Speaker 4: It bums me out because you know, it's it's a

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Speaker 4: we're people before we're players. We're people, you know, we're humans, right,

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Speaker 4: and uh, this is just upsetting to me. I understand

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Speaker 4: with that. I just don't like the way Scott's Service

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Speaker 1: Well, this is a tricky one for me, Alana, because

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Speaker 1: I was the one who initially reported it and obviously,

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Speaker 1: hear that this happened. No, it was quite uncomfortable, quite unfortunate,

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Speaker 1: and yes I felt badly for Scott's Service. And you're right,

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Speaker 1: this should not happen. And granted, things do go awry

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Speaker 1: But it was not a good outcome. Let's just no.

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Speaker 3: And to be clear, this has nothing to do with you.

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Speaker 3: You're doing your job. That is what your job is.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they should have had an opportunity to speak

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Speaker 4: So it's unfortunate. Scott's a good man, he's a good

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