Speaker 1: Herbert and Joan Pasco touchdown Allen and floats into a
Speaker 1: ward opened Kelsey. Flag is down, Kelsey still rumbling inside
Speaker 1: the fire down in the one. Here is Kelsey still going,
Speaker 1: still going. Kelsey good tonight touchdown She's wanted. That was
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey doing what Travis Kelsey does, which is just
Speaker 1: making plays after the catch when it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: Chiefs thirty four Chargers. I'm Greg Rosenthal in what is
Speaker 1: shaping up to be a throwback night in the westling manner,
Speaker 1: next to one of my best friends in the world,
Speaker 1: Lakeisha Wesley, and the Chiefs threw it back. That felt
Speaker 1: like Chiefs Patrick Mahomesa making some magic at the end
Speaker 1: of regulation and breaking the Chargers hearts once again. Now
Speaker 1: that was such I think I'm still in shock and
Speaker 1: how that ended. I know your mom was in shock.
Speaker 1: Rhoda came in with about two minutes left. She's she's
Speaker 1: saw that it was one Chargers. We must be real here.
Speaker 1: We were kind of pulling for the Chargers tonight. They're
Speaker 1: the hometown team. We were enjoying the story. She was
Speaker 1: excited to watch the last uh couple of minutes, and
Speaker 1: I think what we've found out what Rhoda found out,
Speaker 1: and I think what Dan hands is his kids found
Speaker 1: out because they're at the game tonight, is this is
Speaker 1: what a Chargers fan. Uh, it's what it's like to
Speaker 1: be a Chargers fan. Because just when you felt like
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes and this Chiefs team like wasn't really themselves,
Speaker 1: the last three drives of that game, they go touchdown, touchdown, touchdown,
Speaker 1: and it starts with that Kelsey play where he's making
Speaker 1: all or it's a crazy uh moves in the open field.
Speaker 1: He never makes sense because he's not that fast, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know whatever. You can defend him like every
Speaker 1: time and I just look around him, like where where,
Speaker 1: Where's where are the defenders? I don't understand, Well, they're
Speaker 1: on the bench. Derwin James was out at the end
Speaker 1: of that game. I think that was big for them
Speaker 1: because the seer out of Lee, who who's the starter
Speaker 1: at safety, took some bad uh angles on those plays.
Speaker 1: But still he's got the two of them. Mahomes and
Speaker 1: Kelsey have like a sense of where the open spots
Speaker 1: on the field was. But there was a point in
Speaker 1: this game where I almost felt like Patrick Mahomes needed
Speaker 1: it to be difficult to actually make the plays, Like
Speaker 1: he can't make the routine plays. He's got to make
Speaker 1: the plays where they're just improvising. That's when they're at
Speaker 1: their best. A two point conversion play comes to mind.
Speaker 1: When they went to go try to tie it up
Speaker 1: twenty one all he has a wide open throw in
Speaker 1: the flat, doesn't take it, a little spooked out because
Speaker 1: Nuohsu had already intercepted a past like that. Mahomes had
Speaker 1: short armed another pass like that in fourth and goal.
Speaker 1: This game had everything was absolutely insane game, So he
Speaker 1: doesn't take that. Then he sees his secondary rechiever streaking
Speaker 1: wide open. Doesn't take that. It doesn't want it. I
Speaker 1: don't know why. It's almost like Patrick Mahomes needed the chaos.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like that too sometimes sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: you I'm not saying I'm Patrick Mahones, but you know
Speaker 1: I'm close when it comes to podcasts. Like I'm kidding,
Speaker 1: but like it's almost like doing the easy stuff is
Speaker 1: too easy for him, and he didn't want either of
Speaker 1: those two throws. So what does he do. He starts
Speaker 1: sprinting around and he find throws the ball across his body.
Speaker 1: Hits the two point conversion and then it was like
Speaker 1: it was on the next two drives. I did not
Speaker 1: feel too confident when the Chiefs won that overtime coin
Speaker 1: toss and it ruined a great effort by the Chargers.
Speaker 1: I just, man, seriously, was so far up for that
Speaker 1: entire game and just to like end like that is
Speaker 1: just like, okay, so that's fair. But Chiefs fans are
Speaker 1: listening to this like you're killing us here, and neutral
Speaker 1: fans are listening to this thing, and you guys are
Speaker 1: being silly because this was like a great game. This
Speaker 1: was one of the games of the year. It had everything.
Speaker 1: With the failed fourth down conversions, Uh, don't even talk
Speaker 1: about that, turnovers on both sides. Uh. It ends up
Speaker 1: with the Chiefs almost getting five hundred yards from scrimmage
Speaker 1: the Chargers get over four hundred yards, like these two
Speaker 1: quarterbacks going back and forth in the fourth quarter and
Speaker 1: then into overtime like that's what we want. And it
Speaker 1: hurts for Chargers fans, but they split with the Chiefs
Speaker 1: this year that they are not going to win this division.
Speaker 1: They are now down to with three to play, and
Speaker 1: they got swept. It's over. This was a huge result
Speaker 1: in terms of the Chiefs trying to get that number
Speaker 1: one seed, and now it's gonna be that much more
Speaker 1: difficult here for the Chargers to make the playoffs. And
Speaker 1: they're they're not they're not hosting a game, and so far,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm pumped for the playoffs though, like bring
Speaker 1: it on, Like I'm I'm ready for these games to
Speaker 1: really mean some stuff. Well that that is what I
Speaker 1: was thinking watching this tube is was like December Football's
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say it's underrated, but I think people
Speaker 1: forget the point of the Like last three to four
Speaker 1: weeks of this season are the best three to four.
Speaker 1: I like week one, but after that because you're back
Speaker 1: and just excited for everything. But after that, the last
Speaker 1: few weeks, when these games mean more, really are the
Speaker 1: best games. And I thought Monday Night's game was like
Speaker 1: the first Oh, like that that changes a little bit
Speaker 1: how I see the rest of this season. And then
Speaker 1: this was another game that we will absolutely remember. And
Speaker 1: but part of the reason is the fourth downs, So
Speaker 1: let's talk about them. They frustrating you. At the time,
Speaker 1: I was just like, you know, I get it, but
Speaker 1: now looking back, it's like, dangn did they really leave
Speaker 1: all those points out there? Like? Okay, they did, But
Speaker 1: that's part of the process, I think, And I know
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that are that are killing
Speaker 1: them for this. First of all, I hate the people
Speaker 1: that they like it when it works and they're mad
Speaker 1: when it doesn't. And I guess what I would say
Speaker 1: is like, get used to it, because this is how
Speaker 1: football is gonna be played sometimes. Now, not always, not
Speaker 1: all coaches gonna be like that, but when you have
Speaker 1: a baller like Justin Herbert and a coach like Brandon Salley,
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's gonna be played like this sometimes. The
Speaker 1: second thing I would say is like, they went for
Speaker 1: it on fourth down on one of their touchdown drives,
Speaker 1: So you're adding those points up when you're taking those
Speaker 1: field goes away because you gotta They hit another fourth
Speaker 1: down also later in the game. Uh, and then they
Speaker 1: ended up fumbling on the one which was right before
Speaker 1: my homes through the interception, and so it's like that
Speaker 1: fourth down and eventually ended up helping, you know, set
Speaker 1: up scores. And as much as like you don't want
Speaker 1: to hear like that, the math makes sense of it all.
Speaker 1: The fact that they hit that one fourth down and
Speaker 1: scored a touchdown on that drive, even though they didn't
Speaker 1: get the other two times, like they were still in
Speaker 1: this game because they scored the touchdown earlier. So like
Speaker 1: to me, it all makes sense. And it also comes
Speaker 1: down to, like everyone wants to talk about decisions because
Speaker 1: like we've played Madden and like we can kind of
Speaker 1: imagine being coaches more than than being players. But like
Speaker 1: they could have scored those touchdowns, they just didn't. I
Speaker 1: I don't understand why everyone takes the agency away from
Speaker 1: the players. Mike Williams dropped a touchdown on that first
Speaker 1: drive before the fourth down. That fourth down was a
Speaker 1: good throw. It didn't end up being complete because Donald
Speaker 1: Parham got hurt. Well we'll mention that in a second.
Speaker 1: That and that is a scary situation, and so that's
Speaker 1: why that didn't happen. Another one, you know, Jared Cook
Speaker 1: couldn't hold down to a ball that he could have.
Speaker 1: Another one is tipped. But the plays before that, in
Speaker 1: those plays, it's like those are the two teams going
Speaker 1: at each other in an athletic competition, and on those
Speaker 1: plays the Chiefs one and the Chargers lost. So it's
Speaker 1: like that's what sports is to me, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like, and so people get so worked up
Speaker 1: about the fourth down decisions, like you left points on
Speaker 1: the board. There's no guarantee the charge is gonna hit
Speaker 1: that those kicks, especially not the forty eight yard or uh.
Speaker 1: But it's also like make those plays. They dropped two touchdowns. Yes,
Speaker 1: they could have scored fourteen more points, but it was
Speaker 1: just like they didn't. They didn't make the plays. They
Speaker 1: definitely made the game way more exciting that I will
Speaker 1: say that. I mean they didn't need to. I didn't
Speaker 1: need it to be more exciting. I was just like,
Speaker 1: roll up some points, because the whole time you're watching this,
Speaker 1: you're thinking they needed to pile up points early when
Speaker 1: their defense was actually playing dotty well against Mahomes. They
Speaker 1: give up the opening drive touchdown, that first drive. You
Speaker 1: knew it right then. You were like, this is not good.
Speaker 1: This is not good. When they didn't score. Yeah, when
Speaker 1: they didn't score. I mean when a Charger's game starts
Speaker 1: with Mike Williams basically two drops and you know, one
Speaker 1: in the end zone, one on the one yard line
Speaker 1: where he fumbles it backwards a couple of yards and
Speaker 1: then the par and play which was which was really scary.
Speaker 1: And he he is in the hospital now we might
Speaker 1: as well mention it. Um. They're not saying anything other
Speaker 1: than stable condition. But he's a tight end for the Chargers,
Speaker 1: big dude six seven, And uh, we're just hoping and
Speaker 1: praying that he's okay because that was one of the
Speaker 1: scariest hits we've seen. And that's it's it's so unfortunate
Speaker 1: and just that that play being a big play in
Speaker 1: the game is almost like a a sideline to everything
Speaker 1: that happens. But I guess my point is, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they they should have run Austin Ekeler a little more.
Speaker 1: That would have been nice. Like when they did he
Speaker 1: did score a touchdown. Um, but it's like you go,
Speaker 1: you know, like why get so mad at the decision?
Speaker 1: Why why not just be like she's she's won those
Speaker 1: plays you got if you're the Chargers, Like, I get
Speaker 1: what Brandon Staley's trying to do, and I'm with it.
Speaker 1: I'm with it. He's a cold Sorry, we just looked
Speaker 1: at her. She's just like whatever. Justin Herbert was pretty
Speaker 1: cold here. I mean I mentioned this to you before
Speaker 1: he even came over here that this is like a
Speaker 1: year where I've watched the least amount of football, just
Speaker 1: because it's like I'm usually running around with old one
Speaker 1: and a half year old trying to pay attention to
Speaker 1: a game, and just I hear so much about Justin
Speaker 1: Herbert and just to like, you know, be able to
Speaker 1: watch an entire game and just to see like the
Speaker 1: throws and plays that he made, it's just like wow.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you you told me that. When we
Speaker 1: come over, You're like, don't you know you gotta do
Speaker 1: the heavy lifting, And I'm like, please, this will be
Speaker 1: people's favorite there is anything because we got like Wesley,
Speaker 1: this is a big get for me. Uh Like Rhoda
Speaker 1: is a big part of that. We kind of offloaded
Speaker 1: the link duty. She was watching links so that you
Speaker 1: could be like, Rhodes come an take notice. I just yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: but Rhodes come a long way from like the ghost
Speaker 1: plays and stuff like. That's one reason why I was
Speaker 1: so excited to have you over here. But you didn't
Speaker 1: get a chance to really watch that much with her
Speaker 1: because she her knowledge has just she's crazy. Tyler Huntley.
Speaker 1: You didn't even know about Tyler Huntley. She was saying
Speaker 1: like that that that was his you know, he's a
Speaker 1: little lamar and the excitement level like that's I still
Speaker 1: have that childlike excitement watching these games still. And yes
Speaker 1: I will mention Greg got up two times to do
Speaker 1: a little dance, I know, and then it all went
Speaker 1: for not but no, some of the things I really
Speaker 1: liked about her burn this game, I'll be like the
Speaker 1: arm strength and everything. But late in that game, um,
Speaker 1: when they started mixing tempo, when they were like speeding
Speaker 1: it up and flowing it down. The one thing, uh
Speaker 1: that they didn't do, though, is get the game winning
Speaker 1: field goal when it's I mean, you have to give
Speaker 1: Herbert credit for, you know, getting to fourth quarter drives
Speaker 1: to take touchdown leads. It's like they did ultimately, uh
Speaker 1: move the ball and then get that touchdown to go
Speaker 1: up one. But they did get the ball back with
Speaker 1: a minute and twelve, I want to say something like
Speaker 1: that left with their time outs a chance to get it,
Speaker 1: and that to me was the key sequence of the game.
Speaker 1: Because the Chiefs forced a couple in completions, there was
Speaker 1: a penalty by the Chargers and the Chiefs got off
Speaker 1: the field there in a moment where it was like,
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was gonna happen. I thought I
Speaker 1: was gonna do it. Mhm, shaking her head, all right.
Speaker 1: Some other images from this game. It ended and they
Speaker 1: showed this on the Fox. I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: if people saw this unless you watch the post game.
Speaker 1: I didn't see it until then. After Kelsey scores the
Speaker 1: game winning touchdown, Mahomes gets up and he is yelling
Speaker 1: something fierce. I don't know exactly what he's saying, but
Speaker 1: he's gesticulating with his arms over at the charger's sideline,
Speaker 1: and that was something that was a division robbery. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's talking to someone else, but I
Speaker 1: don't think so. He's talking to everybody that was saying, like,
Speaker 1: you know, he's falling off and everything. It was. It
Speaker 1: wasn't as obvious as the Aaron Rodgers I own you,
Speaker 1: you know, because we didn't. We didn't hear exactly what
Speaker 1: he was saying. But he was looking at the opposite
Speaker 1: sideline and he was telling them where the a f C.
Speaker 1: West goes through, that we are the champ still and this.
Speaker 1: I think the Chiefs have had a couple of moments
Speaker 1: like this during the season I think the throw he
Speaker 1: had at the end of the Packers game was like this,
Speaker 1: but if ever they needed to feel a little bit
Speaker 1: more like the Chiefs. He's pointing to his chest. It's like, basically,
Speaker 1: you better get those four downs against me, you better
Speaker 1: put up forty five. And I do think that's big
Speaker 1: for Kansas City as they move forward to to get
Speaker 1: a win like this against a team that really plays
Speaker 1: like the type of defense that in theory has been
Speaker 1: given the charge. The Chiefs the most amount of struggles
Speaker 1: this year, and normally I usually root for the Chiefs
Speaker 1: because of my Midwest ties, but I'm rooting for Chargers
Speaker 1: ram Super Bowl like Chargers have been there before, like
Speaker 1: I want something different. I just I work with so
Speaker 1: many Chargers fans and it's just like to see the
Speaker 1: depression that they had for so many years, and just
Speaker 1: Chargers are going to charge like they deserve it. And
Speaker 1: yet this was like the ultimate Charges charging because it
Speaker 1: was setting up that way the whole time, and they
Speaker 1: roped you in with the great way that her replayed.
Speaker 1: And that's why I don't think for the most part
Speaker 1: that the Chargers are charging. I think they're a little
Speaker 1: bit of a fo odd team that's playing their best
Speaker 1: late in the season. I still feel pretty good. I
Speaker 1: think that they're gonna make the playoffs. But this was
Speaker 1: a game where derwy Derwin James leaving late or was
Speaker 1: a little bit after half time to me, to me
Speaker 1: was it was massive. I'm just I was, you know,
Speaker 1: we're all winners tonight. I got to come over here. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's like it. Yeah, so many thursdays of you and
Speaker 1: West and me looking at you and West taking notes
Speaker 1: wondering what you guys are writing down and just like
Speaker 1: the scientist at work, like it was. It was awesome.
Speaker 1: Like I was getting like a little kid before he
Speaker 1: even like got over here. So this was a great evening. No,
Speaker 1: I when I think I wanted to get linked saying touchdown, touchdown,
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't do it for you. It's so frustrating
Speaker 1: because now, like even if I have like the Round
Speaker 1: the NFL podcasts on, like he'll just start yelling like touchdown, touchdown,
Speaker 1: and it's the freaking cutest thing. And I even said,
Speaker 1: like uncle Greg's coming over and he was like touchdown.
Speaker 1: I'm like you gotta do that when he gets here,
Speaker 1: and then he like phrases up and it's just like,
Speaker 1: come on, dude, Yeah, I mean, kids are like that.
Speaker 1: But the fact that he's already in the car and
Speaker 1: first of all that you're playing the podcast and the
Speaker 1: car is impressive. It was after I watched splint Ins.
Speaker 1: Just gonna say good splint En. Um. Yeah, people gotta
Speaker 1: just listen to him back to back. I UM, I
Speaker 1: don't know how I think of Chris so so much. Obviously,
Speaker 1: I thought of him a lot when we went to
Speaker 1: that Chargers game, um against the Steelers. I really missed
Speaker 1: him there and I was kind of pissed, you know that,
Speaker 1: Like anger came to me that night. But tonight and
Speaker 1: like Thursday Nights are such great memories. I really associate
Speaker 1: him with Thursday Nights because when we were doing it
Speaker 1: out of the office, it was very often me and
Speaker 1: him um, and that was like one of my favorite
Speaker 1: ways to watch a game that I've ever had in
Speaker 1: my whole life because we were sitting there. We were
Speaker 1: both facing this same way, so we have the desk
Speaker 1: next to each other. You remember the setups, and it's
Speaker 1: the only time that you're we're sitting together watching the
Speaker 1: game and there's there's no other games on, like you
Speaker 1: can take the game as it's coming. And so we
Speaker 1: talked the whole time. We'd be we'd be commenting the
Speaker 1: whole time, what we liked, what we didn't, what we
Speaker 1: saw everything, and that was just like best, you know.
Speaker 1: And then it's like, okay, it's half time. You gotta
Speaker 1: go like run upstairs, try to get there early to
Speaker 1: get in line. And then we'd be like complaining in
Speaker 1: line and like talking about what happened in the first half,
Speaker 1: and you're making small talk with everyone that's there. Make
Speaker 1: me cry because I used to like get the food first,
Speaker 1: and I try to um because I know sometimes you
Speaker 1: guys would get so busy, so I'd always try to
Speaker 1: snag them like a plate because once you guys would
Speaker 1: go into the food will be like all gone, oh wow, yeah.
Speaker 1: And eventually our our other great friend that we missed to,
Speaker 1: our deaker, would hook us up with the with like
Speaker 1: the talent food line just be like, you guys can
Speaker 1: come come into this kitchen get better food. So eventually
Speaker 1: we would do that. But that was that was like
Speaker 1: I think of him more just like about the times
Speaker 1: we had as just friends. But to me, that was
Speaker 1: like great football times. And then we brought it to
Speaker 1: a few years later we would start doing that over here.
Speaker 1: So we started, you know, taping the TNF games here
Speaker 1: and the same conversations that it started. We we just
Speaker 1: got you know, I think Dan Dan or Ricky Erica
Speaker 1: got the idea that we had the equipment we could
Speaker 1: start just like ping ponging and do it at home,
Speaker 1: and that was a great idea. And so then it
Speaker 1: was like that same experience, except of course I got
Speaker 1: to eat your food, which oh yeah, I wanted to
Speaker 1: take this in the green room today, but it's a
Speaker 1: little nippy out there. Um. So we're we always are
Speaker 1: thinking of Chris. I know our our listeners are too,
Speaker 1: um and we appreciate that, you know, and so we it.
Speaker 1: I always embrace the opportunity to like feel him a
Speaker 1: little closer. So I definitely do tonight sitting here watching
Speaker 1: the game, and I got in and Justin Herbert was
Speaker 1: his dude last year that we would talk about the
Speaker 1: most that wrote about it in QB Index. I thought
Speaker 1: this was like the perfect night, you know, Justin Herbert,
Speaker 1: our guy playing great. And then I remembered every other
Speaker 1: time I watched the Chargers with West and it would
Speaker 1: be the same thing. I picked the Chargers. I would
Speaker 1: get all into the Chargers and they wouldn't. They would
Speaker 1: lose the game and heartbreaking fashion. So this is this
Speaker 1: is just like just like it always was. This is
Speaker 1: a perfect game for tonight. So we uh we appreciate
Speaker 1: everyone listening and whatever whatever you think you uh want
Speaker 1: to do in your life. That means like he'd the call,
Speaker 1: you know. To me, it means like coming here. That's
Speaker 1: heating the call, like being with the people you love,
Speaker 1: having having beautiful time. So I hope, I hope everyone's
Speaker 1: doing out that out there their families and everything um
Speaker 1: this holiday season, and we'll see everyone on Sunday till then,
Speaker 1: keep the co