WEBVTT - Gaslight, Gucci, Girlboss (feat. Hunter Harris) 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:05.240 What did you just spare in your face James Trump 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:11.920 supporter Mario Vanesca. Oh yeah, oh yeah, baby, Oh I 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:15.840 feel refreshed. I didn't know Mario Vadesca was a Trump supporter. 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:19.640 Yeah yeah, I mean anybody with a name like that. Mommy, 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:27.920 I'm from a Long Island. How come we don't have 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:37.760 a segregation anymore? Wow? Girl? The kind of the entire 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:40.720 year has been leading up to this. Ever since we 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:46.120 first got those set photos of Lady Gaga and Adam 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:49.919 Driver in the snow. In the snow, we have been 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:54.560 waiting to talk about father son House of Gucci, and 0:00:54.640 --> 0:01:00.080 today we are doing that with the perfect person to 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:04.240 talk about, truly perfect a a a Gaga scholar, a 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:07.880 movie critic, if you will, of which we are not. Yes, 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:11.280 Hunter Harris is here to talk about House of Gucci 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:14.560 with us. Also, I will say that, yes, I know, 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:18.800 this podcast is about us looking at yesterday's pop culture 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:21.600 and giving it today's takes. But this podcast is also 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:25.440 about popping your cherry about parts of pop culture that 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:29.080 you have an experience yet, and none of the three 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:32.720 of us, Fran Hunter I have seen House of Gucci, 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:36.160 so we are experiencing it for the first time along 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:39.160 with all of you. So today we are losing our 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:43.679 virginity with Lady Gaga in her sex scene with Adam Driver. Yeah, 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:46.200 just about the sex scene just forty five minutes. We're 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:49.200 going to talk about that sex scene. Rose, But before 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:51.440 we get to that, we're going to you know, do 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:53.640 some for play with the news of the week to 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:56.840 talk about what's going on in pop culture. So, as 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:59.640 I said, this is like a virgin I'm Rose, damn you, 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:05.600 and I'm fran Toronto. Let's get into it. The big 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:07.840 thing that I've been dealing with for for the past 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:10.920 week is just a lot of online shopping. It's like 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:14.440 become very toxic at this point. I honestly, I I 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:18.440 thought I was so alone in what is a morbid, 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:23.160 if not disgusting addiction to shopping. Um from myself. We 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:27.720 are together, well, when we started to become friends years ago, 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:31.240 it really it became quite clear very quickly that you 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:33.959 are just as sick in the head as I am. Well, 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:35.840 you know, I'm a tourist rising and I do like 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:38.320 to fill like the black pit of emptiness inside me 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:42.040 with things. I will also say, I mean not to 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:44.560 blow up our spot, but like, we worked in queer 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:47.200 media for a very long time, which is to say, 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:50.880 we were extremely underpaid for our jobs for an extremely 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:54.040 long time and have only ever operated under scarcity mentality. 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:56.440 So when you and I, for the first time in 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:59.320 our lives, have just a little bit of expendable income, 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:02.480 all of a sudden, any Instagram, I become the target 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:05.920 demographic for literally any product. Oh my god, I'm so 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:09.919 susceptible and like and like sometimes when I like send 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:12.520 people things that I want to buy, what I want 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:15.320 is for them to talk me out of it. Yeah, 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:19.040 you can't get wrong the wrong girl, because all you're 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:21.680 gonna do is say, oh, yeah, that's cute, Like why 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:23.480 don't you get this too? Why didn't you get this 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:27.600 more expensive version of I do? I do sometimes say like, no, 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:29.920 that's ugly. No, it's the wrong color, the wrong patterns 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:34.480 something I am ethical but fair. Um, But I do 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:37.960 feel for the most part, if you text me some 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:41.280 shopping link, I'm going to tell you to buy it. Yeah, 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:44.840 I mean. And Black Friday was like very dark this 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:47.560 year because Black Friday was the day that Stephen Sondheim 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.800 died and I was actually at the Mall in in 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:55.280 Florida when I found out, like walking through Nordstrom looked 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:58.480 down and gasped when I saw that Stephen Sondheim had 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:01.000 passed away. I think it's important text for the virgins 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:04.520 as well, that like, obviously we're always sad when like 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:09.000 cultural beham moths like pass away. But Sondheim is specifically 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:13.320 so one of your people. Oh, like so important to 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:20.279 me as a like theater kid who grew up loving 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:24.000 musical theater. Um, you know some of my favorite musicals 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:29.040 are Stephen Sondheim musicals. Um, I guess, like as sad 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:33.960 as I've been, it also has been very comforting just 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:38.800 to see someone pass away, but to know like that 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:42.760 they lived such a full life at the way that 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:47.880 Stephen Sonheim did, in the way that he contributed to culture. 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:54.640 I mean, he is, I do think, without hyperbole, the greatest, 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:59.799 most prolific queer artist of our lifetime, like we we don't. 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:03.680 The other thing is like his style of like how 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:07.240 he created his own work has influenced like an entire 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:12.200 genre of musical theater, like an entire yeah, and an 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:18.359 entire general like multiple generations of creators. He fundamentally changed 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:21.000 the landscape of American musical theater. And you know, when 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:24.320 we had the hot topic conversation and I couldn't think 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.479 of my favorite Tim Burton movie, it actually really was 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.840 Sweeney Todd and that was obviously in no small part too, 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:33.640 like how gorgeous the music is. Yeah, I mean, honestly, 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:37.000 Sweeney Todd is. I don't think it's a great movie, 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:41.520 but I haven't rewatched so, but it's an incredible musical, 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:44.800 incredible musical. I think I snuck actually took a bunch 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.560 of my cousins and we snuck into the theater to 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:49.159 go see that. And I think I told my parents 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:53.159 we were seeing like National Treasure too or something like that. Um, 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:57.200 I love Stephen Sondheim and I am sad that now. 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:01.320 My my friend Ryan said like that he was sad 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.200 that we'll never get to go to Steven Sonheim's Sex Dungeon, 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:08.799 which was like rumored to be a thing. Really. Yeah, 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:11.320 there's been so much TV coming out recently, and I 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.200 was very excited that Gossip Girl came out. It is 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:18.440 tis the damn season for gossip Girl. Like it was 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:21.280 just Thanksgiving and one of the only things that I 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.839 have to watch every year on Thanksgiving is the gossip 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:29.120 Girl Thanksgiving episode Blair Waldorf must Pie and I have 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:31.880 never actually seen the o G Gossip Girl. I think 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:34.599 I watched the first episode. Um, we obviously will be 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:36.840 doing an episode of the podcast on the o G 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:40.080 Gossip Girl. Well, my former roommate was in this batch 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:44.559 of episodes. Yeah, my my old roommate and friend, Cole 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:48.039 doman Um was in the third of the recent drop 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:52.120 of episodes. He plays the like demon twink that um 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:55.719 Aki goes on a date with my God, and he 0:06:55.800 --> 0:07:00.240 was perfect. This reboot specifically really does champion, if not 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:03.560 encourage demon twink behavior, and that I think is maybe 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.440 one of like the things that is like most disturbing 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:08.280 to me about this rebote, even though I can't take 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:09.680 my eyes off of it. What do you love about 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.960 you know? It's it's gossip Girl, it's the drama, it's 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:16.880 new the new Oh, the soundtrack and this this current 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.960 crop of episodes definitely have some good needle drops. There 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:23.840 was a tailor song writer, Bunny as a writer. There's 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:29.000 an Olivia Roderick. You're your favorite Trader love Trader Um. 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:33.160 I do kind of need at some point for the 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:39.239 minion of Julian of the Zion and Zion I need 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:43.240 her to have like her own identity and storyline. These 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:47.360 characters need once and needs, they need desire. They they 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:51.480 only exist in proximity to the other characters, and like 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:54.040 when one of them is a black girl and the 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:57.560 other is trand and like to have them have like 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:01.880 no identity, like we don't nothing about them. I totally agree. 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:05.120 It's very like Flatsam and Jetsam, pain and panic in hercules, 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:07.560 like the two Crowns, just like the Lackeys, which is 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.600 like which is part of the Gossip Girl legacy. Like 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:14.800 you know, Blair in the original had minions who I 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:18.040 think she literally called minions, and they did not really 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:22.280 have identities and like only existed to serve her. But 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:25.080 I would hope that in Gossip Girl two point oh, 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.360 like flash off those characters a little. I want to 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:29.600 know more about their interior lives. I will say that 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:34.319 in the trailer for the next batch of episodes, Zion 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:41.079 like was kissing someone, so maybe we'll see character okay. Um. 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:43.800 I also have to say something that I very much 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:47.280 so appreciated about this latest drop of episodes was a 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:53.000 very necessary um cultural critique on uh Santa Con, which 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:56.840 is the worst thing that New York City does in 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:59.000 like the history of New York. It is a stain 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:01.840 on the legacy of New York. I did appreciate that 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.559 because I don't think there's another like TV show that 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.480 has has dealt with Santa Con like that, and how 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:09.800 horrible it is. Should we describe for people that don't 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:11.800 know what Santa Con is, like what, like what is it? 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:14.319 Santa don't we can actually know what it is. Santa 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:18.680 Con is when the inhabitants of murray Hill and Williamsburg 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:23.120 dress up in Santa Yeah, dress up in Santa alfits 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.920 and do a bar crawl around New York City. If 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.800 they're not in murray Hill, they're fight eye guys. It's 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.800 like very fight eye BROWI It's like cis culture, It's 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:36.800 heterosexual culture. It's an excuse today drink outside wearing Santa costumes. 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:41.760 And I have seen with my own eyes Santa's stripping 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:44.360 on the streets. I've seen many Santa I've seen at 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:48.200 least to Santa's bar like on the street in like 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:52.280 Lower Manhattan. I have seen some Santa's do disgusting things, 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:54.880 and I cannot believe that it still exists as a 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:59.720 cultural object. I definitely have before, like been on grinder 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:04.240 ring Santa Con and had someone hit me up and 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.240 it's like, say they were at Santa Con, And I've 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:09.960 had to have that moment of checking in with myself saying, 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.880 am I about to invite someone in a Santa costume 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:16.719 over to my apartment and possibly engage in some kind 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:20.679 of Santa role play? And I never have, And honestly, 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.320 I'm kind of sad that that's an experience I've missed. 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:26.400 I absolutely would have. I absolutely would have, but I 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:28.760 would have been it. Maybe one day I will. Yeah, 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:32.960 who who you know? One day? Who knows? What else 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:37.120 have you been watching? Recently? I watched UM the Janet doc. 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:39.640 The so the New York Times did the Brittany doc 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:43.600 that everyone was talking about this year that you know whatever. 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:46.120 Very I thought it was like an okay documentary, but 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:50.240 maybe they were like the first to really consolidate all 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:52.440 of these things that had happened to Brittany and in 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:54.600 a place where everyone was going to watch it. Um, 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:56.880 but they did a new one with basically the same 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:59.679 conceit for Janet Jackson and what happened to her at 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:05.240 the a Bowl and when Justine Chamberlake exposed her sexually 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:08.560 assaulted her on stage basically, and then she was like 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:12.640 beyond the height of her career, a legend, a like 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:16.600 completely a complete mononym as a pop star, and then 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:18.760 all of a sudden her career came to a screeching 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:22.560 halt because of that moment. And you know, I thought 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:24.080 I was going to go into it being like, oh, 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:26.439 this is just gonna make me mad all over again, 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:30.439 but I actually felt it was pretty well reported and 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:34.040 I really appreciate it. And Jenna Weretham, who does still processing. 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:35.640 It's like a friend of mine and she was in 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:39.960 the documentary and she everything she said was so amazing. Um. 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:43.079 And I also loved that they included women and their 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:46.800 opinions in this documentary because the Brittany Dock like all 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:49.800 they had was that evil lawyer and then those like 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:51.920 two bloggers that were kind of like, I guess, the 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:55.160 comedic relief of the documentary, and so with this one, 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:58.559 I felt like they may be honestly solved for that, 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:02.600 and like the sources were overwhelmingly women, which I appreciated. However, 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:08.480 I really wish that they had angled the story a 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:12.760 little more on Janet, Like the way that the sources 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:17.319 were arct was really more about the build up leading 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:19.760 up to the Super Bowl and how it was already 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:24.000 an extremely high stakes environment involving the culture wars of 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:27.360 that era and like religious fanatics basically really really trying 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:31.760 to crack down on what is on broadcast television. And 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:34.600 and then you have Janet who is a woman who 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:36.640 is sexually liberated, and like society doesn't know what to 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:39.600 do with that, and so obviously there was it was 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:42.960 an explosive moment, but all in all, I felt like 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:48.800 satiated that it is a conversation we should continue to 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.400 have about Janet and who she was and like what 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:55.560 she still can contribute to what we're doing culturally. And 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:58.640 I really hope that the gays listening to this are 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:01.600 going to rally around Janet the way we're raillying around Brittany. 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:05.320 Obviously not to conflate the two obviously completely different situations, 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:09.920 but I would just hope that culturally we understand like 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:13.600 what Janet has done and continues to do. UM, were 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:16.480 you a virgin? A Janet stand? I I do like Janet. 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:18.880 I really like UM. When I was in college, was 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:23.160 right when Discipline came out that which has feedback on 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:28.480 it amazing song. Um, did you see that Grimes has 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:31.840 made her return to social media. Yeah, it's it's it's 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:33.720 you know, on on the day that we're recording this 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:38.400 podcast really only in its seminole uh kind of phase, 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:40.720 but I feel like this is going to be a beat. 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:45.199 We will continue to reports watch. Yeah, So what did 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:47.600 she say? Actually didn't Actually she came she came back 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:52.400 to TikTok and was like talking about how she's traumatized 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:58.520 from being so in the public spotlight and how she 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:01.200 now wants to start using her platform to have like 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:07.679 radically transparent conversations about like wealth distribution. Um, it's such 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:11.400 a hard and fast turn. Yeah, you know she used 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:14.880 the word traumatized. Yeah, she did. That sucks and like 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:19.480 I mean I'm sure it was traumatizing. Yeah. Yeah, you know, 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:22.520 like we will truly never understand what it's like to 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:27.520 be famous on that scale of Um. At the same time, 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:30.680 you know, as like many people in the comments were saying, 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:34.960 it's just very hard to have sympathy for her. So 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:38.320 you know, like we'll see if if she does anything 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:41.960 more than like stage photos of her reading the Communist Manifesto. 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.920 But I I you know, I remain a Grimes fan. 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:48.880 I do love her music, and I mean ultimately, like 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:51.080 this is all promo because she did announce that she 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.840 has a new song coming out. You are kidding, No, 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:59.320 you're kidding me. Fuck, that's so hard. Well, I think 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:01.120 now the biggest thing on my mind is now that 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:05.960 we're past Thanksgiving, it is Christmas. I mean well, I 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:08.360 mean technically we're in the middle of Hanagah right now. 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:12.520 Hogsa maya to all my my Jewish girls out there. 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:16.720 But we are fully in Christmas mode. I told you 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:19.960 about this. Yesterday. I was listening to a Christmas pop 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:23.760 playlist and the most curse Christmas song I've ever heard 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:28.320 came on. It's called Stretchy Pants by Carrie Underwood, and 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:32.560 it's about wanting to wear your stretchy pants during the 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:35.760 holidays so that you can eat as much as possible. 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:39.880 And she does say in the song that she doesn't 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:44.800 want to wear those other bridges a queen of rhymes, 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:46.880 What does she rhyme bridges with? I don't remember. I 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.400 hope it's bitches or witches. It's not bitches. It's like 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:53.880 you like expect the word to be bitches. And she says, Bridges, 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:57.080 you sent me this song, and I think that Megan 0:15:57.120 --> 0:16:00.480 Trainer should send a cease and desist because it is 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:05.120 a Megan Trainer or you a trainer. They're not called 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:24.360 according to me, they aren't. So it was just Thanksgiving. 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:29.359 Thanksgiving famously all about family, and I spent my Thanksgiving 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:31.920 with my family, by which I mean with Lady Gaga, 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:39.520 because Lady Gaga is my mother, sister, grandmother, wife, daughter, father, father, son. 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:44.080 House of Gucci. Um. That is the voice of Hunter Harris, 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:48.640 who we have in the studio today. Writer Um, creator 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:52.200 of amazing newsletter Hung Up that I read obsessively, honestly 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:56.320 several times. Letter that's like worth the subscription, honestly, Like 0:16:56.400 --> 0:17:00.000 newsletters are like hard to you know, everyone has a newsletter. 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:04.879 Newly minted writer on Gossip Girl, Yes, and her historian 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:08.880 of Gaga's acting career. I mean, you've been on it 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:10.960 on the beach. I'm happy to have gotten on the 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:13.960 ground level with the star was born and now listen, 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:17.359 I can watch a budding actor really take her thrown. 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:21.040 Have you seen the film like multiple times at this 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:23.760 point or have you only seen it once. I've only 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.240 seen how a Gucci once and that is because it's 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:30.040 very long and it just came out like four days ago. 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:31.880 Did you see it in theaters or did you get 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:34.080 a screener? What was the situation? No, no no, no, I 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.520 saw it in theaters. I saw it like I escaped 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:39.359 my family on Thanksgiving Day and said, I am leaving 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:42.239 for an appointment, and I just went to see it 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:46.800 by myself. I had an appointment with the Lord, and 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:51.359 so it was me by myself at the Cinemark Tulsa. 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:56.760 And I, okay, I'm actually so glad you asked, because 0:17:56.760 --> 0:18:00.080 it was pretty incredible. Um so, Like I was the 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.119 first one in the theater, but just embarrassing, sitting in 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:06.280 the very back row on like the far right corner. 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:10.320 And um, I like saw people like filing in. It 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:13.640 was like a bunch of like like couples, like adults, um, 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:16.280 and every husband was like talking to each other about 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:18.240 like the football game that was I guess on at 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:22.720 the same time, and well, listen, they have their religion 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:26.400 and I have mine. Um, And like these two husbands 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:28.679 were like, man, I wish I was watching the game 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:33.520 as their guys, Like yeah, me too. And their wines 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:37.359 are like like shushing them. Um and it's it's actually 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:40.119 a cinema theater, not like like not an AMC. So 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:42.520 I did not get to see the Nicole Kidman like 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:46.199 heartbreak feels good in a place like this? Is that 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.879 what it is? Some of her best work? I listen. 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:55.000 I don't believe she. I think that Nicole Kidman wrote, directed, 0:18:55.800 --> 0:19:01.760 um Ran produced that entire like Cinna Mark or AMC 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:05.600 doesn't know that that exists. What's your jet? It's her 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:08.120 like ideal setup. Do you like have snacks? Do you 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:10.119 like have a do you need to have something that 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:12.200 you need when you go to the like to see 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:15.320 a movie? Um, it depends. My favorite movie theater in 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:18.480 New York is the Battery Park Regal because it's in 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:21.960 between listen, it's in between a shake shack and a 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:25.040 bagel place, and I would love to take my little 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:26.919 snacks and they wouldn't ever care if I smuggle at 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:31.679 something in I loved the Battery Park Theater that was 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:34.120 like I mean, it was always empty. There was kind 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:35.960 of a Whole Foods nearby, so I could grab a 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:38.480 sandwich and like walking and they never cared and never 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:41.800 cared r I P because I guess it's doesn't exist anymore. 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:45.560 Question mark. I'll say Father's Son House of Gucci to 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:49.720 our fallen soldier. So is that our new punctuation for everything? 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:52.480 Father's Son has a Gucci? Like? Does it apply to 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:55.440 every situation? I say it out of context all the time, 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:58.040 all the time. I went to Catholic school. It just 0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:00.840 like rolls off the tongue. O. Really, So were you 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:04.160 having some throwbacks from There's not really a ton of Catholicism, 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:06.440 I guess in the movie, but there's like a it's implied, 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:10.080 it's I mined because it's Italian Italian and they are 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:12.560 you are in a church at some point? Yeah, oh yeah, 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:14.840 for the wedding scene, yes, yes, And it doesn't that 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:18.360 fight outside of the church, Yes, it doesn't. Doesn't Mauricio 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:21.240 say that he wants Gucci to be like a church 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:25.160 of fashion. Oh yes, the Vatican of fashion. Right, that's 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:27.879 the moment, which, honestly I loved that line. That was 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:30.320 on my favorite lines in the movie especially. I think 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:34.639 it contectualises really well, like how Gucci had entered her 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:37.880 flop era, Like generally, Yeah, it was like an interesting 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:40.760 point for like the film in general to come in 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:42.600 and like I'd be curious to know just like on 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:44.480 a first impression or even we can start from the 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:47.400 beginning of the movie, because I feel like I thoroughly 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:49.800 enjoyed the first thirty minutes of the movie and like 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:51.960 them falling in love and like all that stuff, and 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:53.959 then felt a different way. But like, what were you 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:56.320 feeling about it? It was just like there's so much 0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:58.800 happening in Like Lady Gaga is so perfect at like 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:02.480 being this like flour being like in love. That's iff 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:05.560 I thought I found very compelling and it's like so funny. 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:08.560 Like to contrast her against Adam Driver, who as an 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:10.360 actor bass was a character. It was like so much 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:12.680 more straight lay, so much more serious, and he did 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:16.240 not seem as playful even their meat cute at that party, 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:19.680 She's like at home like this disco scene, and he's 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:22.760 like behind the bar for no reason, question mark. I mean, 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:27.880 I don't know, but he was wearing that bad wig badly. 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:32.239 Um your thoughts on the wig, Okay, I think that 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:35.080 the wig budget on House of Gucci was lower than 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:37.080 the last tool because the last tool had better whigs. 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:41.120 I guess probably fewer of them too, but like Adam 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:43.200 Driver's wigs were not very good in House with Gucci, 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:46.200 and I was kind of disappointed Gaga's wigs. I mean, 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:51.040 they were gotgags. You know, whoever is doing the film 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:56.680 is not doing Gogga's wigs. House of Gaga is doing makeup, wigs, everything, 0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:00.560 which I think really speaks to Patriots yet in this 0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:04.240 world right that she's like sort of um an interloper, 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:07.600 a new person, like fish out of water, like she 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:09.240 should feel sort of out of top. And it was 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:11.560 funny to like kepting like a visual gag for the 0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:15.800 whole movie, that she's just more more dressed than everyone, 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:18.320 Like other people like just wearing clothes, but Gaga is 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:21.399 like wearing fashion and every single scene, and I that 0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:23.400 was like sort of one of my favorite parts about 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:26.840 her performance in this What did you think, I mean, 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:29.840 what were you prepared for it? Going into House of Gucci? 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:33.240 I heard, I was okay. I don't think I heard 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:36.480 anything like super Pro or super Con. I honestly I 0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:38.639 would like it more, but I did feel like it, 0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:41.840 like the plotting of the movie, like the script itself, 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:43.879 felt kind of bloated in a way that I thought 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:46.840 really like undercut its momentum, so a lot of times 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:48.960 I was like, okay, here I go, like sitting through 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:53.240 like ten boardroom scenes like I really don't care about, 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:56.240 like I just want to see I just want to 0:22:56.240 --> 0:22:59.080 see more of like Gaga and Salamahai talking about like 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:02.879 no more spells like we need like Mamahias showed up. 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:08.040 I cackled very it was amazing. I agree, Like I 0:23:08.080 --> 0:23:11.160 think the first like weirdly very much like A Star 0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:15.160 is Born, which I think is a great movie up 0:23:15.200 --> 0:23:18.399 through shallow and then kind of falls apart. Um. I 0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:22.560 think House of Gucci is really great up until kind 0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:28.600 of like the sex scene, the wedding to exqueeze me. Oh, 0:23:29.320 --> 0:23:32.879 the sex scene incredible. That was the moment where I 0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:34.480 was like, this is going to be the best movie ever. 0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:37.439 And then it But but it had been talked up 0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:40.199 so much, like what was it? Um, they were on 0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:42.040