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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, A production of I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio Welcome Together. Everything so down, Oh Daniel boys, the pipes,

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Speaker 1: This is how we're starting the show, Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Worst Year Ever. I'm Robert Evans and that was O

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Speaker 1: Daniel Boy, a song I sang for our audio engineer

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Speaker 1: Daniel with me today Cody Johnston, Katie Stole co hosts

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Speaker 1: co Friends cos because of the Worst Year Ever. That

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Speaker 1: Skating singing O Daniel Boy for decades centuries. Really it's

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Speaker 1: moment centuries earlier. The first time I heard that song

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Speaker 1: memorial service for I believe a dead iguana. I'm not

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Speaker 1: did die. I shouldn't have laughed. That's actually a very

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Speaker 1: rough go of it. Anyway, welcome to the worst effort,

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Speaker 1: right right. Uh, So today we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden. Uh. When you wake up in the morning

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Speaker 1: and your alarm gives out a warning, okay, you get

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Speaker 1: no, no no, no, no, I lost it. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about Joe Biden and Ice because there's been a lot

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Speaker 1: of chat about Joe Biden and Ice, and I think

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Speaker 1: just to contextualize things before he while while he was

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Speaker 1: running for president, one of the big things that made

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Speaker 1: all of the liberals angry during the Trump administration was, uh,

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Speaker 1: and rightly so was Trump's horrific policies towards immigration, towards

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Speaker 1: particularly non white immigrants, the separations of families, the kids

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Speaker 1: in cages. Uh. And of course, some people throughout this

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Speaker 1: period did point out that while there were aspects of

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Speaker 1: that that were significantly escalated by the Trump administration, including

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Speaker 1: like the zero tolerance policy that led to it. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the family separations again, yeah, and the actual family separation

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Speaker 1: aspect of it. Yeah, that had also happened to a

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Speaker 1: lesser degree in the Obama administration and deportations that happened

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Speaker 1: to a much higher degree during the Obama administration. Trump

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Speaker 1: did not deport more people than Obama. Now, there are

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Speaker 1: other factors at were, including the fact that the number

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Speaker 1: of people coming into the country um dropped over the

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Speaker 1: a number of terms also, But Obama still deported a

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Speaker 1: shipload of people and did separates families. So there were

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Speaker 1: there were Even though they did stop that at a

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Speaker 1: certain point when there was pushedback, Um, there was still

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Speaker 1: a great deal a lot of people being like, well,

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Speaker 1: you guys really think Joe Biden's got to do anything

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Speaker 1: to help with to help immigrants, going to improve the

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Speaker 1: situation in any way. And obviously since now he's been

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Speaker 1: in office for I don't know, like a monthish month

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Speaker 1: month or so, Um, we have some information about how

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Speaker 1: things are proceeding. Now. If you're if you're someone who

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Speaker 1: consumes most of their news from Twitter, particularly left leaning Twitter,

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Speaker 1: the overwhelming thing I'm seeing is Biden is doing basically

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Speaker 1: the same thing. He's no better. Uh, they're putting kitchen

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Speaker 1: cage is still Um. I don't think that's entirely accurate

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Speaker 1: from my research, although there are some really solid criticisms

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Speaker 1: But the whole situation is pretty complex. So we figured

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Speaker 1: we'd take an episode to talk about what is actually

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Speaker 1: going on with with Joseph Robinette, Biden and uh and

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Speaker 1: and our good friends at ICE, Friends of the Pods,

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Speaker 1: because there's a lot of different information floating around in

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Speaker 1: This facility Carrizo Springs, UM was actually a facility that

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Speaker 1: different um justifications. Given that said, it's a the optics

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about some ways in which because

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Speaker 1: folks like, oh yeah, they're not child cages, they're migrant

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Speaker 1: detention facilities whatever. There is a difference because these are

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Speaker 1: not children who have been separated from their families as

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Speaker 1: connect them with whatever adult they were coming to live with. Right,

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Speaker 1: had been arriving in Haiti, compared to just two every

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Speaker 1: month a year ago. In El Paso, ICE moved hastily

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Speaker 1: in late January to deport a Mexican native identified only

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Speaker 1: by her first name of Rosa, who had been a

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Speaker 1: witness to two thousand nineteens horrific Walmart shooting by a

433
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Speaker 1: Trump aficionado who targeted Latinos and killed twenty two people.

434
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Speaker 1: The woman had been expected to testify at his trial. Advocates,

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Speaker 1: including a Texas congresswoman, are now fighting for the return

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Speaker 1: of Rosa, who had been pulled over for a broken

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Speaker 1: tail light. As she told The Texas Tribune from her

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Speaker 1: unfamiliar new home in Mexico, that quote, sometimes you feel hopeless,

439
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: and right now I am in that kind of state.

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Speaker 1: Another other deportation moves have continued or seemingly sped up

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Speaker 1: since Biden's inauguration and the judges order blocking the new

442
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Speaker 1: president's moratorium, including flights to Guatemala, Honduras in Jamaica. A

443
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Speaker 1: controversial flight that would have deported Africans back to strife

444
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Speaker 1: riven Cameroon, including some who had complained about abuse by

445
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: ICE agents during their Trump era US attention, was halted

446
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Speaker 1: with last minute intervention from top Biden officials, so What

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Speaker 1: I think that puts into context is Number one, the

448
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Speaker 1: same props, some of the same problems that we're occurring

449
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Speaker 1: under under Trump are absolutely still occurring, the deportations of

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Speaker 1: refugees back to countries that are not safe for them.

451
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Speaker 1: It's also not as simple as Biden hasn't changed everything.

452
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Speaker 1: This is a fight right that. That court in Texas

453
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Speaker 1: and we'll talk more about that blocked Biden's order to

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Speaker 1: um to stop the deportations, so they are allowed to

455
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: depot and they were continuing to deport and there have

456
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: been interventions from Biden staffers to stop some of these

457
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Speaker 1: flights from deporting people, like in the case of that

458
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Speaker 1: flight bound for Cameroon, which is going through a civil

459
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: war right now. UM. So it's it's not as simple

460
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Speaker 1: as Biden has done nothing. There is a fight going

461
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Speaker 1: on here. I think we do have to acknowledge that. Yeah, yeah,

462
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Speaker 1: wasn't there. I'm sorry, I don't have it in front

463
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Speaker 1: of me, but I can't pull it up. But UM,

464
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Speaker 1: something about that they had the ability to schedule when

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Speaker 1: the deportations could could happen, that they could potentially Biden's

466
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Speaker 1: administration would still have the ability to potentially postpone some

467
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Speaker 1: of these deportations even well they have postponed some, um,

468
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: not all of them. And I don't fully understand some

469
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Speaker 1: of It's just that, like, there's so much of this

470
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Speaker 1: going on, right, Um, it's such a large organization, and

471
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: the people who are doing the deportations do not want

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Speaker 1: the White House to be particularly well informed in a

473
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Speaker 1: particularly timely manner because they they want, because they're racists,

474
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Speaker 1: to want to deport these people, um, which is I'm

475
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: not none of this should be said to like, uh

476
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Speaker 1: sort of apologize for the failures of the administration, but

477
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Speaker 1: to acknowledge that there are people within it who are

478
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Speaker 1: like there again, there's a struggle going on, um. And

479
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: I think that's important to understand. One of the things

480
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,479
Speaker 1: that's going to make reform of it difficult is that

481
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: all of these people, all these fucking racists, still have jobs. Right.

482
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Speaker 1: That needs to change otherwise it's going to keep being

483
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Speaker 1: a fight anyway. Yeah. I found a good quote in

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Speaker 1: that article by Stephen Yale Lower, who's an immigration expert

485
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Speaker 1: who teaches at Cornell Law School. Uh, And he said

486
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Speaker 1: to the interviewer, um, basically that that he was trying

487
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: to trying to explain why it's going to be so

488
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: difficult for Biden to undo the policies Trump put in place,

489
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Speaker 1: quote first former President Trump and Bolden ICE agents to

490
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: arrest anyone they suspected of being here illegally, even if

491
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Speaker 1: the person merely overstayed their visa. ICE officials will not

492
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Speaker 1: want to return to the pre Trump era where they

493
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Speaker 1: were supposed to prioritize supporting immigrants who had serious criminal convictions.

494
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Speaker 1: That is harder work, and Biden has through an executive order. Yeah,

495
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Speaker 1: it's hard. It's hard when you just can't arrest and

496
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Speaker 1: deport anyone who's not white. Biden did put out an

497
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: executive order pausing or like directing them to focus on

498
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: people who presented some sort of a threat um like

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Speaker 1: you know, someone who's got a conviction for child molestation

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Speaker 1: or whatever. But that doesn't mean they're all going to

501
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Speaker 1: follow it. And it does, Yeah, just because there's a

502
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Speaker 1: directive saying like, you know, only if they're violent criminal

503
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: this X y Z only this what do you now, cops?

504
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: Don't you do it? Yeah? This is the yeah. And

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00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: again it just keeps coming back to the problem that like,

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Speaker 1: if you're not going to ship and all of these people.

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00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: And by the way, eliminate the Department of Homeland Security

508
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Speaker 1: at least eliminate ICE. But Border Patrol is much larger

509
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Speaker 1: than ICE and a much bigger problem. Right. Ice is

510
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: more theatrical with their cruelty, so they get the attention.

511
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Speaker 1: Border patrol is a way bigger. If I had to

512
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Speaker 1: choose one of the two to get rid of, I

513
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: would pick the fucking border patrol because they do a

514
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: lot more damage. Um but um ice is is is

515
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: the kind of the cutting tip of this. And one

516
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Speaker 1: of the things that has made it more difficult for

517
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Speaker 1: the new administration to change things is that in like

518
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Speaker 1: days before Biden was inaugurated, Trump's head of ICE signed

519
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Speaker 1: a labor agreement with the union that represents ICE officers

520
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: UH and the deal would give the union the power

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Speaker 1: to indefinitely delay changes to immigration enforcement policies that it

522
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Speaker 1: does not agree with. And I believe this is why

523
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Speaker 1: that court in Texas reversed the deportation stay that Biden

524
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Speaker 1: had put in, because, yeah, because they didn't want to

525
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Speaker 1: do it. And Trump's pick, like the last thing he

526
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Speaker 1: did in office was be like, yeah, you guys don't

527
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: have to follow any rules you don't want to follow anymore,

528
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: Like that was his last fucking thing, and this is yeah,

529
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: that's that's a problem. UM. And it's one of those

530
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: stories that just goes right under the radar and nobody knows. Yeah,

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00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: and it's yeah, and it's it's hugely important. UM. And

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Speaker 1: there's there has been like this is one area where

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Speaker 1: if you're again trying to actually look at things, UM,

534
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: somewhat fairly, UH, this is an area in which Biden administration,

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration has fought back. UM. It was Kinko

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Speaker 1: Chinelli who um uh entered into the agreements with the

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Speaker 1: the ICE Union, UM that allowed it to indefinitely delay things.

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Speaker 1: And I believe it was like last week, last Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, UM, the Department of Homeland Security

540
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: UH put like sent out a message to the ICE

541
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: Union telling them that it had determined that this agreement

542
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: was quote not negotiated in the interest of DHS and

543
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: has been disapproved because it is not in accordance with

544
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: applicable law, according to an agency spokesman. UM. Yeah, So

545
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: this is something the Biden administration is pushing back on,

546
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: UM and saying that like this this does not count anymore.

547
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: This is not actually the agreement we have with you.

548
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: Ken Cuccinelli did not have the right to make that agreement. Um,

549
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: and it's still yeah, like the State of Texas sued

550
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: as a result of this agreement, and that's what canceled

551
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: Biden's deportation moratorium. And we don't really know how this

552
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: is all going to work out, right, this is going

553
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,719
Speaker 1: to be a big, big court fight. Um. But it's

554
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: not as simple as Biden said, stop deportations. A court

555
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: said no, and Biden said, okay, keep deporting. They are

556
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: actively fighting the union over this. But it's going to

557
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: be some big fucking court facori because that's the way

558
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: this ship works, I guess, which is dumb, which is yeah,

559
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: And it's frustrating and um, it gets into a lot

560
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: of like, you know, okay, he said he would uh stop,

561
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: they would put an end to this, and then he didn't.

562
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: And now to any of people thinking, well he promises

563
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: and didn't promise this, any of people like, well, that's

564
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: politicians embellish, that's why it is. People. Yeah, people don't

565
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: like that, um. And acknowledging how hard these things were

566
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: going to be, Um, it would be refreshing, But it

567
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: would be refreshing if he would sit down and do

568
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: the president thing and be like, hey, we're trying to

569
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: do this. Here's the fight. I'm not a dictator, I'm

570
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: the president, and they were given this right and now

571
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: we have to fight in court. And I want you

572
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: to know this is the fight that I'm going through

573
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: now to stop this thing. Right, Just communicate that, articulate

574
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: that people understand it, so that we know what we

575
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: have to do. We know how to pay attention, and

576
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: we understand what things to be upset about and whatnot

577
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: what to be pushing. Yeah. Um. And it's always just

578
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: so confusing why the Dems don't do those basic things. Yeah,

579
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: basic fundamental, like a fundamental quality of like a good leadership.

580
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: That's what you want the communicator, and it's Trump was

581
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: lying usually when he did it, but it's what he

582
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: did well is when he would have an issue, when

583
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: there would be a struggle, he would take it right

584
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: to his to his supporters. He would go direct to

585
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: them and be like, hey, this is what's happening. This

586
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: is why this thing isn't going on this ship. Yeah. Yeah,

587
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: And part of it works when you're lying. It should

588
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: work when you're telling the truth to Yeah, especially since

589
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: he has a real case here, he can be like, Hey,

590
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 1: I'm fighting as hard as I can for this. Here's

591
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: the problem. Of course, one of the issues is that

592
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: he would have to say the problem is that ICE

593
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: agents have a union, and maybe law enforcement unions are

594
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: fundamentally toxic and outside of the interests of the people,

595
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: and Biden is never going to do that. Um, So

596
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: there might be a fact yeah can't. Well, there's a

597
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: there's a cynical view, like it's it's frustrating because like

598
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: the you know, the part part of them problem is

599
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: just like incompetence, they can't they can't communicate that type stuff, right.

600
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: But also like the cynical view is like they in

601
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: certain cases they don't want to because they know X

602
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: or y or z. If they try to communicate this,

603
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: they would have to arrive at a conclusion that they

604
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: don't actually want to get to. Um, they would have

605
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: to get to the point of like and actually, here's

606
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: the real problem. Here's what we should do. Um. But

607
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: they don't want to do the fundamental change. They don't

608
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: want to do that. They don't want to actually do

609
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: the big stuff. So they can't really communicate the problem

610
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: because the logical conclusion is the big stuff. Um. Yeah,

611
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: so it helps, it helps to be to be bad

612
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: at communicating and bad at messaging because then an office

613
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: says everything and you can't really get to the core problem,

614
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: which they don't actually want to get to. Um in theory,

615
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know these people. Maybe they

616
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: really want to and they're just like they don't like

617
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: maybe they don't like communicating, Maybe they don't like talking.

618
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: Maybe they do that the president has. Maybe they shouldn't

619
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: work in politics then interesting, Yeah, communication style is silence. Yeah,

620
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: it's just it's all frustrating because, like you can see

621
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: with all of this stuff, if the same stuff we're

622
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: going on, how would better president might do things? But

623
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Speaker 1: it would also require him to be more explicitly left

624
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: wing to say, we need to fucking get rid of

625
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: this border ship. We need to at the minimum, if

626
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: we're going to have a border, because I think most

627
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: Americans do want to have a border, and I don't

628
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: get my way on this, if we're going to have

629
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Speaker 1: a border, and then would be like, well, we need

630
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: to fire and we need to replace at least the

631
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: majority of people currently doing that job with folks who

632
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: are number one, compensated well enough that we can bring

633
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: in decent people into people whose goal is to actually

634
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: help folks, um, not just to facilitate travel, but help

635
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: folks that are suffering and trying to flee here and

636
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: make an ethical system to humanity what they're not. Not

637
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: even like the pay would probably help, but like just

638
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: the responsibilities and what the job entails. If you if

639
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: you change it to like, wow, here's this facility that

640
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: you work in where you're taking care of these people

641
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 1: as opposed to like watching over them and like keeping

642
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: them right, Like there's a there's a treating them like criminals. Yeah,

643
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: there's an aspect of the job that's like well regard

644
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: regards regards here. Um. And if you have that criminals. Yeah,

645
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: if you have that power dynamic and that that that's

646
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: the job description, then who are the kind of people

647
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: that you're going to attract as opposed to like have

648
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: it be a nurturing Yeah, yeah exactly, I don't know.

649
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,919
Speaker 1: It's very um. Yeah, but again you can't talk about

650
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to be you can't talk about I

651
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 1: can't talk about that. Um. There have been some positive developments. Uh.

652
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: One that is kind of more of a I don't know.

653
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: It's one thing that Biden could do unilaterally. It's not

654
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: a big deal compared to the other stuff, but he's

655
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: directed Homeland Security officials have been directed to stop using

656
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: the words like alien and illegal alien in communications with

657
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: the public and within the agency citizens. Yeah, it's not nothing.

658
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: It's not a huge deal. I guess in the grand

659
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: scheme of things, I don't know, maybe it'll prove to be.

660
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say it's nothing to change that messaging. Yeah,

661
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: Like that always makes me think the two things right

662
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: where it's like, well, that's good because the language does,

663
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: Um doesn't matter, it does at least the way the

664
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: way you talk about things and communicating things, it does

665
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: influence people and lead you know. They're like, we talked

666
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 1: about dehumanizing language that has a that has a path,

667
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: there's a there's an end goal with that kind of language. Um.

668
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: They're like, we know that, and so adjusting that language

669
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: could could help. But also part of it. My other

670
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: reaction is like, so you're just changing the way you

671
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: talk about the shitty thing that you're doing to make

672
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: it bad. What makes the most tangent, tangible impact on

673
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: somebody's life right now, in this crisis moment, you're just

674
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: telling me something that's I mean, like, yeah, sure that's

675
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: not let's do that. But also what Yeah, yeah, I

676
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: don't at all disagree with you. And I find this

677
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: frustrating too, and I found myself having difficulty like even

678
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: bringing it up. But also we all complained, and I

679
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: think rightfully so about the ways in which the last

680
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: administration used language to dehumanize these people. So I do

681
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: think if we're actually going to be fair, we have

682
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: to point out this is it's positive that this has

683
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: been reversed. It's not exactly it doesn't Yeah, yeah, yeah,

684
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: it's it's just that isn't bad. Um, yeah, it's the

685
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: thing that happened isn't bad. And it's the kind of

686
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: thing that like, Okay, that's good, rehumanizing lange, which is good.

687
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: Humanization of human beings is good. Um, but you need

688
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: to pair that with uh with other more material, tangential things.

689
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: It's the same thing. Like, yeah, it's like if your

690
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: dog got into the garbage and ate an entire rancid

691
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: chicken carcass and then for three hours while you were away,

692
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: vomited and shat all over four different rooms of your house,

693
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: and also your carry talking about my evening last night,

694
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: I am Katie, and also your over and spilled a

695
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: small amount of coffee on the ground. And you start

696
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: by cleaning up the coffee. And it's good, you needed

697
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: to get that coffee off of your floor, But you

698
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: still have three rooms that are completely coated and dogshit. UM,

699
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: and that that is a much that's going to take

700
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: you a lot longer. Multi pronged effort is required. Ye,

701
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: speaking of coffee, maybe there's a commercial for coffee coming up.

702
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know what coffee doesn't taste like

703
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: dog shit? Whatever? This coffee together everything we are back. UM.

704
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: The last thing I had to talk about before we

705
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: move on to whatever's next is um a thing that

706
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: is more concrete and positive as a results of immigration changes.

707
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna I'm gonna quote from an article on

708
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: by k que d UM, which believe is a local

709
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: California news station. UM. For six years, Armand Derrowe has

710
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: been trying to bring his elderly father to live with

711
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: him in California. But der aw He's eighty two year

712
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: old dad is in Iran, and the Trump administration's travel

713
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: band created an obstacle the families struggle to surmount despite

714
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: hiring lawyers, applying for a waiver in persistently writing to

715
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: US officials. Too much time, too much emotion, and we

716
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: do not have our dad here yet, said said de Rowe,

717
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: forty two, a naturalized US citizen who has an anesthesiologist

718
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: living in the Central Valley of Visalia. It has been

719
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: a rough six years for US. Now that President Biden

720
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: has revoked the travel restrictions for people from thirteen Muslim

721
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: majority in African nations, Derrowe and others feel hopeful that

722
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: they'll finally be able to reunite with relatives from those countries,

723
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: and so that that's good. That's a that's a significant change. Now. Obviously,

724
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: just from this store, you know, this guy and his

725
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: family have a significant amount of financial privilege, right, he's

726
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: a fucking anesthesiologist. You don't make nothing doing that. They

727
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: have the money for the lawyers and stuff. But it's

728
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: still a situation where there are thousands, probably tens of

729
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,439
Speaker 1: thousands of families who will be able to get reconnected

730
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: to their family members as result of this. Someone we've

731
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: talked about on the show a couple of times. A

732
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: journalist I follow who has done some great cover coverage

733
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 1: in Lebanon, Saloman Anderson, her husband as a Lebanese man,

734
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: and after Biden took office, he was able to finally

735
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: enter the United States to be with her for the

736
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: first time since they got married. Um, that's that's good.

737
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: That's that's a that's good. I don't I don't have

738
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: a whole lot else to say on it other than like,

739
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: this is a meaningful The reversal of that Muslim ban

740
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: is a is a meaningful positive step. Um. Yeah, dog

741
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: shit and dog puke, it's not all dog shit and

742
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: dog puke. Some of it is just billed coffee. Yeah,

743
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: some of some of your face and the dog resives

744
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: and he gives you pink I exactly. Yeah. There's another

745
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: a bigger deal like well, I don't know if it's

746
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,959
Speaker 1: a bigger deal in terms of numbers, but a deal

747
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: that is helping people who do not have as much

748
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 1: financial prebleus for sure. UM was Biden's One of Biden's

749
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: first executive orders, UM was to allow as many as

750
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty five thousand yearly refugees to enter

751
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: the United States. We took in fifteen thousand last year.

752
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: That's significant, that's big deal. That's a big improvement. That's

753
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: a lot of people helped, and that those are people

754
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 1: who are very desperate. Um, and that's a good thing. Now.

755
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: One of the things that's unsettling about that is that

756
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,439
Speaker 1: of all of his first month's executive orders, his plan

757
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: to allow more refugees to enter the United States was

758
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 1: the only one that was opposed by a plurality of voters,

759
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: according to a Morning Consult survey. So that's not that's

760
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 1: not it's great that he did that. It's not great

761
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: that that's how a lot of Americans feel, although Morning

762
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: Consult is not the most reliable of polsters. So I

763
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: wouldn't I wouldn't put all of my faith in That

764
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: kind of goes well with something that I've been thinking about.

765
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 1: And I don't know what this looks like in terms

766
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: of implementation or how we do this, but the way

767
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: we think about immigration as bad as as Americans, most

768
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: Americans like, obviously it's tricky. You can't have everybody come

769
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: as much as you want to, you know, like, I mean,

770
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: maybe you can. Maybe I'm missing the data there, but like,

771
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: that's tricky, that's tough. But in general, our approach to

772
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: immigration should be so much more open minded because we

773
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: need immigrants. We need them, We need them as a

774
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: big part of our workforce. It's a part. It's not

775
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: just like the American story. We'd we depend upon them.

776
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: And and uh, and I've read something recently, I've I've

777
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: seen this talked about in a couple of articles. But

778
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: there are actually quite a lot of people here, immigrants

779
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: here that are very hugely helpful parts of our society,

780
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: that want to return home, that don't feel good here.

781
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: And one of the reasons that they can't is because

782
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: of our immigration system. If you go home, you can't

783
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: come back back and forth and stuff like that. And

784
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: there's a lot to unpack there about how we treat

785
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: people and how we think about it and how we

786
00:45:55,560 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: value their contributions to to us as a sade society culturally.

787
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 1: And there's just this, Yeah, it comes back the use

788
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: of the word alien, all of its dehumanizing. Most immigrants

789
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: aren't aren't taking away jobs, you know, they're they're doing

790
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: jobs that other people don't want to do, and they're

791
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: happy to um anyway. It's just it's it's that to

792
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: me is something that we don't talk about. Um, it's

793
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: the value. You know. I think it goes even deeper

794
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: than that, because there's there's the if you want to

795
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: argue things objectively, and I do when I'm arguing about

796
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: immigration with my conservative relatives, UM, you can point out

797
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: that the vast majority, more than three quarters of undocumented

798
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: immigrants pay income tax. Right, they actually do pay their taxes.

799
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: The i R S allows you to pay taxes if

800
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: you are here illegally. UM. And it's smart to do

801
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: so because the I R S is not you know,

802
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: you can you cannot piss off the I R S

803
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: and reduce your risk if you pay your taxes, and

804
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: most people in that situation do. UM. And of course

805
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: you can are look at the evidence that, like well,

806
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: people who came here from somewhere else are less likely

807
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: to commit violent crimes, less likely to commit any kind

808
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 1: of crime. Um. You know, there's those sort of arguments

809
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: you can make that are kind of material about how

810
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: these people benefit our society and kind of a very

811
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: straightforward capitalistic way. Try. And I don't think that's worthless

812
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: in terms of pointing out, especially when you're arguing with

813
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: you know, racists or depend For me, the big issue

814
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: is that before you're looking at a lot of communities

815
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: when you're talking about Mexico, you know, Baja California, California, Texas,

816
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: New Mexico, Arizona, all of these these places, all Latin America,

817
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: all the way up through the American Southwest. A lot

818
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: of the different people's and and ethnic groups would travel

819
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: and interchange constantly. And when these borders came down, people's

820
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: families were split up, and some people like, well, now

821
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: you're you're a US citizen, you're a Mexican, like, but

822
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean there's not still these bonds that were

823
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: effort by these artificial things that we created. Um. So

824
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: that's a factor in it for me that like, these

825
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 1: divisions shouldn't be here, shouldn't be separating people because they're unnatural,

826
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: and they're splitting up groups that have not that that

827
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: have been able to travel between one another for a

828
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: long time. There's also this factor of like, well this

829
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: is all stolen land, you know, um, And if you

830
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: just look at the looking at the situation as it

831
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: is politically now, um, people aren't just gonna like give

832
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 1: it all back and and and and leave. That's that's

833
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: not a political thing that is particularly close to happening

834
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: at this moment um. So the least thing you can

835
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: do is stop saying that, like, well, you can't travel

836
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 1: up to see your relatives here or back home because

837
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: of these these fake things that we put in place

838
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: for the sake of money. That's the least we could do. Yeah,

839
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: arbitrary fake things. We can. If you're not gonna like

840
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: give it back, you can at least stop make the

841
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: fake thing, you would be right, if you're not going

842
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: to get rid of it, you can make it less toxic,

843
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:12,439
Speaker 1: you know. Um, So that's where I land, Yeah, build

844
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: it back better, right, if you're going to build it back,

845
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: which I don't necessarily agree, right, if we at least

846
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: if we have to at least do a better job.

847
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: You know, I do want to talk about like this

848
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: thing that is. I don't know if it's frustrating to y'all,

849
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,919
Speaker 1: but I get frustrated at a lot of the left

850
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: wing discourse I see around it, which is emotionally right,

851
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: and the emotion is that Biden has not done enough

852
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: and not fulfilled as promises, but it's not factually right.

853
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,479
Speaker 1: When they talk about like, well, they're still kids in cage,

854
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: it's the same thing as the try and it's not

855
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: the same thing. And I also don't want to make

856
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: those arguments because I don't want to be like nickeling

857
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: and diming human rights. I just in this because I

858
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: pay attention to what's happening. I get frustrated when like

859
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 1: the nuance is lost, I don't know, and it's it's

860
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter in a political sense, because in a

861
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: political sense what matters is they're still children. In in

862
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 1: a humanitarian sense, there's still kids being I don't know,

863
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: And often they are like I definitely uh sympathized with

864
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:19,240
Speaker 1: that frustration, and oftentimes the call for nuance is used

865
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: to dismiss the entire thing, which is why oftentimes, yeah,

866
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: talk about amongst yourselves, I'm not going to participate because

867
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 1: like anyone trying to be like, well, actually, it's usually

868
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: to be like, so what are you gonna do? It's good, Yeah,

869
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: I think my frustration it's not really even with the left,

870
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: because everybody does it. It's just my frustration with social

871
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: media and the need to have like a pithy and

872
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: angry take. The anger is justified. But do we have

873
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: to be misstating the facts in order to be angry

874
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 1: because correcting things then you seem like you're defending Biden

875
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: and defending the flaws in what's I don't know, And

876
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 1: it's just everything like communication, communication, and the decisions come

877
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 1: from the administration. Then the meat you presents in this light,

878
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: and then that is easily taken to do this and

879
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: this and this. It's a whole Uh, it's a whole

880
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: process that happens, and every little piece makes it worse, uh,

881
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: from where it starts to where it ends. Um. And

882
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: it makes it very very hard to uh yeah, to

883
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 1: talk about it. And you know, it's hard to criticize

884
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: Joe Biden without being told that you actually love Donald Trump. Um. Yeah.

885
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: For me, this is the point where I want people

886
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: to stay awake, wake back up. I think that there's

887
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: a lot of talk about just at least in my

888
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: circles online, especially on like Instagram social media, like we

889
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: deserve a break. We've survived all this stuff. I want

890
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: to check out. And for me, I have a knee

891
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: jerk reaction to want to be sharing things and say like, hey, guys, look,

892
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 1: time to I think I did actually post. It's like,

893
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: all right, breaks over, wake up, not just a like

894
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: this is necessarily the worst case scenario, but to say

895
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: now is the time to pay attention. Now is the

896
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: time to read things carefully and not just assume that

897
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: the headline you saw, the propaganda you saw, or the

898
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 1: really extreme angry take is correct. We have a lot

899
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: of information and you have to sit down and you

900
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: have to pay attention, and and not just when Donald

901
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: Trump's office. Um. Yeah, and we're also hardwired after years

902
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: of this like saying like there's there's again with everything.

903
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: There's the the healthy way to state and and express

904
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: that impulse in the unhealthy way. The unhealthy way is

905
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,240
Speaker 1: finally we can go back to brunch. Right, the problems

906
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 1: are over, it's fixed. We have the we have the nice,

907
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: polite white man in the office, so everything's good now.

908
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: That is unhealthy, that's toxic, that's dangerous. That's how we

909
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: got to this as he shoved voters, so he's not

910
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: actually that polite. But yeah, he's not all that polite. Yes, yes, Cody,

911
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not saying he's taking a character. Um.

912
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: The healthy thing is to be like I am fucking

913
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: exhausted the level of constant outrage and horror and anger

914
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,720
Speaker 1: at how fucked up things are and were the last

915
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 1: four years is unsustainable for me as a human being.

916
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: And things are still on fire, but the fire is

917
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 1: not spreading quite as quickly right now. And I need

918
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: to take a fucking break from being outraged. That's reasonable,

919
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: that's perfectly healthy, and you you can and you should,

920
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: and you it's this kind of thing. I've been seeing

921
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: it with some of the more dedicated chunks of the

922
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 1: Portland protest movement. The people who um keep can't keep

923
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: going out, couldn't stop, like, have not stopped going out.

924
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: And they're right, the outrages they were angry that last

925
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 1: summer have not abated, or at least have not abated enough.

926
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: They should still be angry. Um But also I see

927
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: these people destroying themselves, um and and and because you

928
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: you do need to take a break. You need to

929
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: fucking just look like the military sends people back for

930
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: leave after a deployment, right because people burn up and

931
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: destroy themselves if they're constantly plunged into traumatic stimuli. Um

932
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: and so it's you know, the thing to say is

933
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: not we don't have to worry now. But the thing

934
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: you you can and should say at points is like,

935
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 1: I can't worry right now. The fight goes on. Other

936
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: people people need I need. I need to take a

937
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, I need to take a month, or

938
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: I need to cut aspects of social media or whatever

939
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:42,760
Speaker 1: out of my diet. I'm not going to stop fighting,

940
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 1: but like I can't continue to expose myself directly to

941
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: the outrage, I'm gonna focus on this one thing that

942
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: I can make an impact on. I continue to have

943
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: support for people doing the other fights. This is the

944
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: thing I can make a difference in. And I just

945
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: can't be as plugged in right now because I need

946
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: to be healthy. That's perfectly reasonable, and that allow you

947
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: to be useful for long such an important part, and

948
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: and useful for longer because this is lifelong work. The

949
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: changes that we want there aren't happening. Like I get

950
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 1: caught in this thing, or at least at the beginning,

951
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: Biden from the beginning, when Biden first got inaugurated, we're

952
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: still the beginning. But there was something in me that

953
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: was like, all right, there's we've got two years to

954
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: do meaningful things that to to really try to maintain

955
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 1: our edge in the Senate and the House and all

956
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: this stuff. It's like, well, the reality is is it's

957
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,720
Speaker 1: so much bigger than that. It's so much longer, and

958
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 1: and we are all burnt out from social justice issues

959
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: that are so important. Coronavirus, you know, our stress, our anxiety,

960
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: our fear. Right now, this it's it's a lot. And

961
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: I tweeted this the other day. It was just cheeky,

962
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: but we all deserve a vacation. Everybody deserves it, even

963
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: if you don't think that you do. You you were

964
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: under an incredible amount of stress. That isn't to say

965
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: that we all get to piss off, but you have

966
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: to to listen to your body and you have to

967
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: have that perspective that we have one one body in

968
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: one life. There's a difference between acknowledging that you're tired

969
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: and thinking that ye done, and yeah, exactly, but you

970
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: just you have to think the reality is that a

971
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: lot of people listening right now, a vacation is not

972
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 1: something they can take either because I don't know, you've

973
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: got you've got kids or something. Take a break. Everything

974
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: that's difficult, but you still deserve it. Was My point

975
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: is like you deserve, and a vacation doesn't have to

976
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: mean you're going somewhere tropical to me, it means like

977
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: to something for you. Yeah, and even if that thing is,

978
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: I am going to not pay is close in attention

979
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: for the news for two weeks. I'm going to take

980
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: a break from social media from exposing myself to the

981
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: fire hose of ship. That's except for listening to and

982
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: even more news. And obviously keep listening. You know what,

983
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: Just just turn turn the audio on your phone down

984
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: and play the whole episode. We get the money either way,

985
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: you're good to go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just download it,

986
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: but you don't have to listen, all right. I think

987
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: that's about I think that's about what we got we

988
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: did it. Turn your volume up for the end of

989
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: the show where we say goodbye. You can find us

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00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:26,400
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