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Speaker 2: What is up?

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Speaker 1: Metstup listeners back here for episode number sixty of the

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Speaker 1: met Stuff podcast. Of course, here with your co host me, Draftneck,

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Speaker 1: Mark Mark Luino, James Giano Jeter had no range talking

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Speaker 1: about all the New York Mets news that's gone on

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Speaker 1: in the past week. The boys are also back from Arizona,

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Speaker 1: which means you will be getting video content, so check

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Speaker 1: that there little little daggling some fruit in front of

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Speaker 1: your face. Here little candy for you. Brett Baty interview.

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Speaker 1: We got it, We did it. It's short, five minutes.

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Speaker 1: We had to rush the guy who was had to

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Speaker 1: But we got five minutes of Brett Baty interview. Not

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Speaker 1: to the YouTube channel Mets Up Podcast, we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: talking about the president, baseball operations update, We're gonna be

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Speaker 1: given our last grades of the year, and then we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be doing our off season preview. Not super super

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Speaker 1: deep into the off season, but a general consensus, kind

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Speaker 1: by the way, to just do vague about the offseason

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Speaker 1: because we got a lot to talk about there. Mets

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Speaker 1: No Range, may at Rafhneckmark. And that's the intro. Let's

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Speaker 1: do it, Episode sixty. And we're gonna start off today

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Speaker 1: with a little bit of an in memoriam, a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a somber note here. Pedro Feliciano, former New

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Speaker 1: York Met left handed reliever, passed away in his sleep, suddenly,

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Speaker 1: aged forty five. He played with the Mets for quite

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Speaker 1: a few years, two hundred and sixty six appearances in

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Speaker 1: kind of like the Lougie that I think of when

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Speaker 1: He's the first guy I think of, and no one

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Speaker 2: Definitely. He was a Met for ten total years consecutively.

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Speaker 1: here President Baseball Operations update, and the update is, uh,

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Speaker 1: It's a little frustrating, and I hate to keep beating

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Speaker 1: So it's so it's really frustrating because it's feels like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the issue then that we've gotten to that we

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the biggest challenge with this Mets team

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Speaker 1: So it feels like if you're coming into this job,

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Speaker 2: You're handcuffed. Unless again, we'll talk about this new off

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Speaker 2: season preview, Steve Cohen just right to the blank check,

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Speaker 2: and tell you to get after it, have fun, sign

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Speaker 2: And that is why another thing that Sandy said made

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Speaker 2: and I'm gonna take to be described as.

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Speaker 1: That, like I would like really selling it.

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Speaker 2: No, like I understand it will be challenging and like

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Speaker 2: to be moments of comfort. If I'm the general manager

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Speaker 1: He's just dated. Man, He's dated. And there's some more

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the guy that kind of emerged it

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Speaker 1: as a serious candidate, Adam Krome not Commedy, Kramy, Chromy whatever.

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Speaker 2: the day, the Mets have this reliever, they're paying like

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Speaker 2: a million dollars and he's like very fine. Like that's

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Speaker 2: a great place to be.

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Speaker 1: Now.

435
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Speaker 2: A lot of teams can boast players like that. A

436
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Speaker 2: lot of the good teams could post a lot of them,

437
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Speaker 2: but we don't have those qualities. So this this again,

438
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Speaker 2: this is one of those like tiny good moves that

439
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Speaker 2: brothery Van Wacken actually made. And I mean, what can

440
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Speaker 2: you say about Castro? He already in the mid threes.

441
00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,240
Speaker 2: Lowis he ever had in his career. His fastball average

442
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Speaker 2: ninety eight miles an hour, like his walk greate regress

443
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Speaker 2: back to like fourteen fifteen percent number that it was

444
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Speaker 2: early in his career after being only eleven percent in

445
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty, and that fourteen percent walk rate this year

446
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Speaker 2: was a bomb three percent of the league. So that's

447
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Speaker 2: the one thing he does have to clean up. And

448
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Speaker 2: he does have those addings, like we mentioned that he'll

449
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Speaker 2: just come out and throw eleven straight balls and you'll

450
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Speaker 2: be like, I wish that didn't happen. But he's also

451
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Speaker 2: six seven. He throws one hundred miles an hour, so

452
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Speaker 2: I understand, And he threw more offstry pitches this season

453
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Speaker 2: anytime in his entire career, So I think that means

454
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Speaker 2: he could probably be okay, a good next year for

455
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Speaker 2: only about two million dollars. We'd have that arbitration Number

456
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Speaker 2: one's up at so like.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you a free agent or we

458
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Speaker 1: still got an arbitration.

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Speaker 2: Last year of arbitration.

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Speaker 1: Love to hear that I did have to hear as

461
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Speaker 1: a cheap reliever that like that helps with the money,

462
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Speaker 1: that helps with the books a little bit.

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Speaker 2: He's one of the few things we can really hang

464
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Speaker 2: our hats on for this roster right now that we

465
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Speaker 2: could be like, all right, at least we have some

466
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Speaker 2: good relievers in the mid tier that we could count

467
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Speaker 2: on for sure or for cheap and Cashro is one

468
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Speaker 2: of them. He's a bee.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say safe to say he's a bee.

470
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he'll pitch the seventh inning and you won't you

471
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Speaker 2: won't want to jump off a bridge sometimes.

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Speaker 1: So when he's on, you know it. It's you could

473
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Speaker 1: tell on that first pitch, you'll know what you're get.

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Speaker 1: With Migel Casher, he's got.

475
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Speaker 2: A cool airing too, with the cross that hangs down

476
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Speaker 2: like he's got some trip. He's a chill guy.

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Speaker 1: Another guy, maybe maybe not as much trip as Miguel Castro,

478
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Speaker 1: but another reliever. Trevor May.

479
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Speaker 2: First trip.

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Speaker 1: Ye, Trevor May has got no trip. I'm sorry, Trevor.

481
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Speaker 2: Trevor May looks like a like a roast ham.

482
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Speaker 1: Roastam.

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Speaker 2: It's just that's what he is.

484
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Speaker 1: But he's good.

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Speaker 2: He was great, really good. People hate him for some reason.

486
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Speaker 2: I don't know why. He's really good. Fund little stat

487
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Speaker 2: that came from Matthew Brownstein champion him as Twitter had

488
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Speaker 2: the most strikeouts. I'm in the zone unforecing fastballs of

489
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Speaker 2: ANUE reliever in baseball this year. So that's a testament

490
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Speaker 2: to having a good fastball, a fastball of people swinging

491
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Speaker 2: miss at and pitching a lot and not getting injured,

492
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Speaker 2: three things I really like for my relievers.

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Speaker 1: Really interesting for you guys to take a look at

494
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Speaker 1: Trevor May on his YouTube channel uploaded going over his

495
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Speaker 1: season and what he liked and what he disliked. Really

496
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Speaker 1: really interesting video. He basically talked about he was super

497
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Speaker 1: happy with how I believe he controlled his fastball this year,

498
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Speaker 1: and he was talking it was great, how he was

499
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Speaker 1: really excited that that was a pitch he was able

500
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Speaker 1: to rely on and then make his other pitches look good.

501
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Speaker 1: He had a nice year. While there were some ups

502
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Speaker 1: and downs. Again, you gotta remember this guy is still

503
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Speaker 1: kind of coming off Tommy John surgery a few years ago.

504
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Speaker 2: Like he's fine, he was electric this year. I'm not

505
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Speaker 2: going to hold the.

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Speaker 1: Time, no, but I'm saying like he was good.

507
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess see, I guess we were saying he

508
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Speaker 2: could be better, which I agree with that too. Second

509
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Speaker 2: year of this deal, I feel like he can be

510
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Speaker 2: a premier reliever in baseball. And he loves Hefner. He

511
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Speaker 2: does love Heffner as he should. Hafner is brilliant, but

512
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Speaker 2: like he just throws really hard. The fastball's great spin.

513
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Speaker 2: This year, the with right total on that fastball was

514
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Speaker 2: thirty three percent and that's a pretty high number. Actually,

515
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Speaker 2: somehow that was lower with rate than the change up,

516
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Speaker 2: which I'm shocked by looking at that live. You know,

517
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Speaker 2: he went through that change of fifteen percent of the time.

518
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Speaker 2: But I think Trevor May gets a bad rap. I

519
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Speaker 2: think people shit on him because the YouTube stuff. Even

520
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,560
Speaker 2: though more than he should. He's a really good reliever.

521
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Speaker 2: Despite some general turbulence that almost every leever in baseball

522
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Speaker 2: will deal with Jose Proz. He'll walk off home run

523
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Speaker 2: off Josh Hayter like this happens. They're believers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, b plus for Trevor. Matt's plus. That's why I

525
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Speaker 1: got him too. Yep. And then let's talk about Drew Flow,

526
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Speaker 1: who is a fan favorite of the podcast. And Drew Flow,

527
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Speaker 1: while he didn't finish the season because of an injury.

528
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Speaker 1: He was great. Drew Flow is a fantastic, fantastic arm

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Speaker 1: going into next year. This is a guy who I

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Speaker 1: think has a really good chance to leverage himself into

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Speaker 1: that eighth inning guy, maybe when May has been pitching

532
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Speaker 1: a couple times, or even coming in for saves when

533
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Speaker 1: Diaz is tired. Drew Smith is really good.

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Speaker 2: I've said in the past I think his role should

535
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Speaker 2: be expanded. The fact that he throws three, i think

536
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Speaker 2: even four pitches at least eight percent of the time,

537
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Speaker 2: and they all have pretty good movement. In philosophy, pro

538
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Speaker 2: spin profiles too, like, this guy doesn't really do anything

539
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Speaker 2: wrong besides not really stay healthy that often. But he

540
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Speaker 2: is a very good pitcher the bullpen. Really you saw

541
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Speaker 2: it get much worse after he left yep like left

542
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Speaker 2: with injury, didn't leave after he got injured, was after

543
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Speaker 2: the year. He's just there's so many things that he

544
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Speaker 2: does well. The one thing I want to say about

545
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Speaker 2: Drew Smith is I would like to see more curveballs

546
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Speaker 2: next year. The pitch has incredible vertical movement and got

547
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Speaker 2: a lot of whis this year even though he only

548
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Speaker 2: threw it like eight percent of the time he's throwing

549
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Speaker 2: that pitch more to counteract his fastball and color, Like

550
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Speaker 2: we could really be looking at the monster nice six

551
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Speaker 2: three pitch reliever mixing in his change ups have four Like,

552
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Speaker 2: this guy's potentially be a very very good reliever, potentially

553
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Speaker 2: like one of the best relievers on this team. And

554
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Speaker 2: I give him A minus. I love I love Drew Flow.

555
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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely A is the right grade for him. He

556
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Speaker 1: had a really good season coming off of injuries as well.

557
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Speaker 1: For Drew Flow, I'm excited to see what he's gonna

558
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Speaker 1: do in twenty twenty two. Right, twenty twenty two, that's

559
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Speaker 1: next year.

560
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Speaker 2: That is next year. This is twenty twenty one.

561
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Speaker 1: That feels wrong. This year went too quickly, too fast,

562
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Speaker 1: too fast. Let's talk about a guy who doesn't throw fast.

563
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Speaker 1: Aaron Loop doesn't throw fast. How about that segue right

564
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Speaker 1: there is Loop is the king? Give him all the

565
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Speaker 1: bush lights he wants, Elite. He was awesome. Arguably a

566
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Speaker 1: top five left handed reliever in baseball this year. I

567
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Speaker 1: honestly might be number two, right behind Josh Hater. He

568
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Speaker 1: was awesome. I mean, do I even need to ask

569
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Speaker 1: you what is greates I think we know what it's

570
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Speaker 1: gonna be. No.

571
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Speaker 2: A plus plus highest I've given out beside Stroman this

572
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Speaker 2: all year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was fantastic, fantastic. Now will he be back?

574
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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that a little bit later in the preview.

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Speaker 2: We're only talking about grades right now, we're only talking

576
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Speaker 2: about grades about contracts.

577
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Speaker 1: But uh, he was great. He was awesome. Rich Hill

578
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Speaker 1: another lefty who doesn't throw hard starting pitcher this time.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh, he was great too. A.

580
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Speaker 2: It is so good. If if we actually would have

581
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Speaker 2: been good in the second half, like if Jacob Ground

582
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Speaker 2: was healthy, and like Carls Carrasco pitch Well or Cindegark

583
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Speaker 2: came back and we made a playoff push, everybody would

584
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Speaker 2: have been talking about the acquisition of rich Hill as

585
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Speaker 2: being like one of the premier, under the radar, cheap

586
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Speaker 2: moves of any executive this whole year. And like Zach's got,

587
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Speaker 2: he's gotten now for other reasons.

588
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Speaker 1: We know that.

589
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Speaker 2: But Richell only gave him win three earned runs one

590
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Speaker 2: time as a New York met He didn't always pitch

591
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Speaker 2: the deep into games. But that's okay if you're preventing

592
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Speaker 2: runs for as long as you're on the mound. What

593
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Speaker 2: else can you really ask for?

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Speaker 1: And if you remember him when he was with the Dodgers,

595
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Speaker 1: he just did that exact same role. He'd come out

596
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Speaker 1: as five days, pitches five innings and keep the game

597
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Speaker 1: really close sometimes give you a really good chance to win.

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Speaker 1: That's what his job is there to be. He's not

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Speaker 1: there to be the ace to go seven eight innings

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Speaker 1: into a game, five innings every five days, consistent. You

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Speaker 1: gotta love Richill. You gotta love Richill. I a plus again,

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Speaker 1: he plus.

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Speaker 2: I love Richell. I would I wouldn't even be upset

604
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Speaker 2: if Richill was back in the Orange and Blue next season.

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Speaker 2: I also wouldn't be shocked.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'd love to have him back. And he's

607
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Speaker 1: not gonna cost you a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of either, almost nothing, probably about eight mil, which is

609
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Speaker 2: nothing for a starting pitcher. It's the Andrew Heaney deal.

610
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Speaker 1: Yes, dirt cheap. Back to the offensive side of the baseball.

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Speaker 1: Jonathan VR the electric factory that is Jonathan Vrky Bayo Loco,

612
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Speaker 1: whatever his nickname is, Zara. He was a great spark plug.

613
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Speaker 2: On this team.

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Speaker 1: I don't want him playing every single day, which is

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Speaker 1: what his role ended up turning into. But he ended

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Speaker 1: up being a really really nice pickup for someone that

617
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Speaker 1: I didn't have as high hopes for starting the year.

618
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Speaker 1: Jonathan VR played a bunch of different positions, hit the

619
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Speaker 1: ball well. He actually walked a little bit too this year,

620
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Speaker 1: which was really nice to see. He gives you the

621
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Speaker 1: absolute craziness on the bass pass and he'll swing three

622
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Speaker 1: l at some bad pitches every once in a while.

623
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Speaker 1: But Jonathan VR was a nice pickup for.

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Speaker 2: Us this year, you know, and insane Jonathan VR is that. Yes,

625
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Speaker 2: between twenty twenty twenty twenty one, he had the exact

626
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Speaker 2: same strikeout rate twenty six point one down to the

627
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Speaker 2: tenth of a decimal and one tenth off in his

628
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Speaker 2: walk rate nine point two versus nine point one.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

630
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Speaker 2: Pretty insane that Jonathan Vir. Which is exactly the same

631
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Speaker 2: over sixty games or two differ organizations as he was

632
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Speaker 2: for almost starting an entire season with the Mets. It's

633
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Speaker 2: just as a Jonathan VR factor, like he he's good.

634
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Speaker 2: He really was helpful this year, but usually good teams

635
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Speaker 2: will not give Jonathan VR four hundred plus play the

636
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Speaker 2: appearances like he could definitely be a like a bench

637
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Speaker 2: player and a very good team which was the intention.

638
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 2: Injuries and in effectiveness pushed him into a role he

639
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 2: probably should not have been in. But a fine season

640
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Speaker 2: by all accounts, like Jonathan US having a bad year,

641
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Speaker 2: was not Jonathan VR's fault by any means.

642
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Speaker 1: No, he he helped his team one worth two.

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Speaker 2: Wins, pretty cheap league, which you don't find out every day.

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Speaker 1: We great, you go with Jonathan VR here, James B

645
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Speaker 1: fine guy, yep, I think that's super fair. Now let's

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Speaker 1: talk about the other ILR brother, Kevin Pillar. Not pr

647
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Speaker 1: Kevin Pillar. He's a ballplayer, He's he's gritty, he's something

648
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Speaker 1: that's That's about all I could really say for him,

649
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: because his play is pretty lackluster.

650
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Kevin Pillar, while he's had a pretty

651
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 2: good major league career, done a lot of things, helped

652
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 2: a lot of teams, I wouldn't say that he's a

653
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 2: player that I'd want on a playoff team in the future.

654
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 2: Maybe again, like as like the last player on your

655
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 2: roster to be like a great locker room guy. But

656
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 2: he also seemed like he wanted a role that included

657
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 2: played appearances last season. That was a point of contention

658
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: in April, and we didn't even know what contention was yet.

659
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 2: But he's fine. He tries hard, he plays like a

660
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 2: moderately okay center field. He's probably better suited for a

661
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: corner at this point in his career. And to have

662
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 2: I don't know, one hundred that bats maybe over the

663
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: course of the season. See, he took a ball, took

664
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: a ball of the face. I'm not gonna go lower

665
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 2: than that.

666
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: He's a warrior. He's a locker room guy at this point,

667
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: so battler. See, let's go about Luis ki Armey, another

668
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: one of our kings. Didn't get to play that much

669
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 1: this year, a lot of a lot of injuries, a

670
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: lot of time missed. Still got great defense, still elite

671
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: with his eye at the plate. He's a he's a

672
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: bench player. We know what he is. He's not gonna

673
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: be your everyday guy. I think we had higher hopes

674
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: for him going into the season. Yeah, we saw that

675
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: offense kind of take a step back after that sixty

676
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 1: game stretch. But he's still very, very useful in the

677
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: capacity that he should be used in. So we still

678
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,719
Speaker 1: love Luiski Orbai over here. Definitely.

679
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: I just kind of saw him as being the one

680
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 2: who would have assumed that Johnathan VR role that JOHNATHVR

681
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 2: wound up assuming like getting a three hundred played appearances

682
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 2: turning in like a two and a half three wins

683
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: season that didn't come to fruition. The power just isn't there.

684
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 2: It's a good guy to have on the team a

685
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 2: lot with all these players that played a lot of

686
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 2: the Mets last year were describing his great bench pieces,

687
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 2: which is gonna be a theme of the off season

688
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: preview coming in a few minutes. But I still appreciate you.

689
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 2: He's fine, he's useful. I like having him around. He

690
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 2: seems to be fun. Everyone seems to like him and

691
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 2: also play good defense and multiple positions. A lot of

692
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 2: old people are gonna really hold that Cincinnati game against

693
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: him forever, which is not.

694
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: My dad's one of them. My dad is still he

695
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: thinks of that game, and it was like I'm done

696
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: with him, and I'm like, forgetum the breaks.

697
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 2: He's useful, he's gonna take a walk, he's gonna play

698
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: good defensive, multiple positions. Like, he's fine. C plus, Like,

699
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: what can I say? He'll be on his team next year?

700
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: Probably Yeah, No, I can't imagine that he's gonna call

701
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: he costs nothing, so there's no reason not to bring back.

702
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 1: He can play three in field positions and he's a

703
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: good pinch hit her. So there's that. Thomas Nito another guy,

704
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: great d He was one of the best defensive catchers

705
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 1: in all of baseball this year and in terms and

706
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: in terms of I think it was runs saved from

707
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: the catcher position, not drs, but whatever that stat is

708
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 1: on Baseball Savant, he was among the top in all

709
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: the league. And he he doesn't catch that many games.

710
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 2: Great.

711
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: The problem is tomas Nito swings a pool noodle.

712
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you remember that month when he was an incredible

713
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 2: hitting and we thought this was like a coming of

714
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 2: age for tomas Nito, me especially. That was wrong.

715
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: We were we were riding high during those months. That

716
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: was an elite time the Mets fan, the NDO King.

717
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: When we were playing Wilfredo Tovahar in winning games, I mean,

718
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: we were on cloud nine. We couldn't be beat. But

719
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 1: Tomaso came back to earth. He's a backup catcher, that's

720
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 1: what he is.

721
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 2: Yes, and that's fine. He's a good one at that.

722
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: And he's cheap, yeh.

723
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 2: He's worth nothing.

724
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: He's worth nothing.

725
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 2: And he's worth nothing. You cost nothing. He's worth plenty.

726
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: He's cost nothing.

727
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: Yes to me, Tomas and Nito see also game to

728
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: see just fine. Yep, And that's kind of what you

729
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: listen your bench player is the minimum you want is

730
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: to see the minimum, and if you get to sea

731
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: out of a bet, you go. He probably did. He

732
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: probably didn't play that much.

733
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: This is the bench episode of the player grades usually

734
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: did five stars. It's just all the guys who are

735
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 2: just fine. Probably won't even have them be in the

736
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: team next year.

737
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: Yes, one that I think will be. Although Tommy John, Joey, Lukezy,

738
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: I pitch some point, pitch at some point he was

739
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: I think better than expected. Yeah, but that being said,

740
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: our expectations were extremely low, so it's not like he

741
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: was actually particularly good. It's just we didn't expect a

742
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: lot out of him.

743
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: Guy like Lukez becomes even more valuable when he himself

744
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: understands better who he is and accepts the coaching and

745
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: the scatting that's given to him. Like Lukayzi throws one

746
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: pitch glorified I don't even know a glorified church, the

747
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: churf whatever, like, and he kind of throws the sinker

748
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: sometimes so glorified one pitch pitcher here. He has to

749
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: understand that and be like, I'm gonna throw three to

750
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: five inchs and that's gonna be my role. Guy like

751
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: Joe Lucazi like bitching around the dugout when he's gonna

752
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: getting taken out even after he throwing five very good innings.

753
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: He can't have that understand it. Be like Druz Musen.

754
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: Give the ball back when they tell you too, this

755
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 2: is the way you're gonna be the best and keep

756
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: moving forward.

757
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: But he's good depth to have. He's a good piece.

758
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: We're gonna need a lot of guys like Joe Lukeazi

759
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: on this roster next year if we want to compete.

760
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give him a C I would have given

761
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: to him if he played the whole season.

762
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 2: I think I'm looking to be minus. I mean, like,

763
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: he was good when he was there. It's not his fault.

764
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 2: Got time of John sergery, of course, but you know

765
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: he'm knocking down as great shame he got hurt, so

766
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: really don't do that again. I'll talk about another lefty

767
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 2: that seemingly everyone's forgotten about.

768
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: Myself included this guy. Has got to be the most

769
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: forgettable Met that's actually had playing time of all time. Sorry,

770
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: David Peterson, I'm sure you're a nice guy, but forget

771
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: about you. And I don't know where I stand with him.

772
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: He's Matt's two point oh to me, even though they're

773
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: not the same picture at all. But the much language

774
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,719
Speaker 1: is just like the same. I get the Matts vibes.

775
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: It's definitely Matt's vibes. Just who throws like ninety four

776
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 2: and then ninety eight, which is a big difference without

777
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 2: the like, without the good, the good Austree pitches. Besides

778
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: that change up the slather was good at times. I

779
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 2: think fondly upon that Friday night in Tampa Bay when

780
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: he had like thirteen strikeouts in the eight innings. Lest

781
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: has been a few batters too long. Give the home runs, Unino.

782
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: It happens, Mike Sanino fucking kills the Mets, apparently, I

783
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: guess saying that out aloud. But he's objectively okay, Like

784
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: here's a good depth piece. I don't think anybody would

785
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 2: ever think that David Peterson is going to be a

786
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 2: frontline star the one day, or even be a guy

787
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 2: who should have his role guaranteed at some point ever

788
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: with the New York Mets. But good guy to keep

789
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: around his injury. All so, I heard a lot because

790
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: that's when the Jerry Lacoff days began. I don't know,

791
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: C minus.

792
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: I give him a D. I give Peterson a D.

793
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: Is that just because he was a first round pick?

794
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: I think our expectations are were definitely way too high

795
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: for him. But all things considering, he he just wasn't

796
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: let down to me this year, and I wanted more

797
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: out of him, and I just I've now changed my

798
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: opinion on what kind of player he is, and that's

799
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: why I think I bumped him to the dye.

800
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 2: It's more like a long term d post of the

801
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: other guys who are doing immediate fingle year grades, Peter

802
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: getting more introspective'etting deeper because he was a first round

803
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: pick for some reason.

804
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: And then of course we have to end it with

805
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: you guys know who it's gonna be our favorite pitcher

806
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: the entire New York Mets organization. Other lefty we're holding

807
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: it up. It's Brad Hand.

808
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: F F Fuck Brad Hand.

809
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: Fuck Brad Ahead. That's all we're gonna say about him.

810
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: Just fuck brad heand he wasn't even objectively awful, but

811
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 2: my gout that don't you dare give? But if he's

812
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,959
Speaker 2: back next year, I am going to be very upset.

813
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna march up to Sandy Alderson's office and say

814
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: what are we doing?

815
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: He's gonna be like about, what what do you mean?

816
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: Be like brad Hand? Brad Hand's back, and then he's

817
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: gonna say, who are you get away from my office?

818
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: How did you get up here?

819
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: Like I would take brad Hand for like nothing, Like

820
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: brad Ham paid the Mets like four hundred k.

821
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be fine, right, yeah, Oh, if he wants

822
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: to pay us, I'm cool with a pay structure where

823
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: he gives us money.

824
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: A reverse contract, Like instead of the league minimum four

825
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars, brad Hand gives four hundred thousand Mets

826
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 2: fans one dollar each.

827
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: It's attacks for having to watch him pitch every three

828
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: or four days.

829
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,959
Speaker 2: Absolutely bright. Or he just picks a couple of select

830
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: Mets fans, possibly a couple select podcasters, to give a

831
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: hundred grand each, Like that'd be good too.

832
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: I won't say no, no, I can't be bought. Yeah.

833
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: Well I'll buy a brad Hand jersey.

834
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: Tomorrow if he paid me. Yeah, Brad Hamt bought me

835
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: brad Hand jersey.

836
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: I might wear it, which I think leads in perfectly

837
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: to our off season preview here perfectly.

838
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: Do you know what that word means perfectly? I don't

839
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: think it's perfect.

840
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: No, it's perfect because we don't want Brad Hand and

841
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: this fits into our off season preview because we want

842
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: to avoid brad Hands on the free agent market. This

843
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: team needs ballplayers. We need some real baseball players because

844
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: what we did the quiz, we throw out some names

845
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: out there and there are some not ball players on

846
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: that list.

847
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 2: No, this Mets rouster is in a shockingly bad place

848
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: considering its payroll right now. Without no cinder Guard accepting

849
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 2: his qualifying offer, we're only twenty five million dollars lower

850
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: than the tax, which is to get It's an unbelievable

851
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: place to be, especially only three guys on the team

852
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 2: make twenty million dollars. That our Francisco Lindor, Jacob Degram

853
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 2: and everybody's favorite DH third base second base don't don't.

854
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 2: So we just now have a lot of the guys

855
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 2: in this team who were like pretty good and making

856
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: no money all now making some money like these arbitration

857
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: jump this year for the Mets to significant and it's

858
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: kind of hamstringing us if we want to stay blow

859
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: the tax if those guys don't.

860
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: Play much better. Yes, this entire offseason is completely predicated

861
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: on how much money Steve Cohen wants to spend and

862
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: whether or not he's going to blow through that luxury tax,

863
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: because it looks like if the Mets truly want to

864
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: be able to have a shot at competing now legitimate shot,

865
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: they have to not only get over it, they have

866
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: to blow through it and say we don't give a fuck.

867
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: Think about it alone. From a qualifying offer standpoint, if

868
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: we want to pay Syndergrad that eighteen million, if we

869
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: want to bring Stroman back, if we want to bring

870
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: Bias back, it's like sixty million dollars right there. We

871
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: blow through it already, just on the guys that we're

872
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: already on this team that finished in third place.

873
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 2: And that will put us at how much money total?

874
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 2: If we pay sixty million, that will put us at

875
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 2: two hundred and forty million dollars, which would make us

876
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 2: the which in twenty twenty one, we would have been,

877
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: we would have had the second highest payroll in baseball,

878
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 2: and that's not even that big of a jump because

879
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: already in twenty twenty one, the Mets had the third

880
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 2: highest payroll in baseball. So they give you a sense

881
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: of how far away this roster is in terms of

882
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 2: how much money it costs what in a beast situation.

883
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: That's in a bass situation right now. Unless Steve Cohen

884
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 2: decides to spend hundreds of million dollars of dollars this offseason.

885
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: Which is possible. It's very possible, he claimed he would.

886
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: It is possible, but again, we don't have a third basement.

887
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 2: We might not have a second basement. We have one outfielder, Cano,

888
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 2: JD and McNeil are all going to really be the

889
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: infielders if nothing major happens. Our only starting pitchers right

890
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: now under contract are Jacob de Gram, Carlos Carrasco, and

891
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 2: Taiwan Walker. I don't really think any of those guys,

892
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: along with Noahs Sindergart, can be trusted health wise. This

893
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 2: team needs probably ten new baseball players at various positions,

894
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 2: and we don't have a lot of money to do it.

895
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 2: Unless Steve Cohen just opens up the checkbook, even.

896
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 1: At a cheap three million dollars a year on those

897
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 1: ten guys, or we're over the luxury sacks. Like it's

898
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: it's crazy how we're in such a bad situation. We've

899
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: had some bad contracts, We've had some but.

900
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: Like the bad contracts not even there. It's just a

901
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 2: lot of guys make like six million dollars now, a

902
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 2: lot of guys who used to make a couple hundred grands.

903
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: We missed the time to really capitalize.

904
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, the window, that window is closed now, yes, and

905
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 2: this is now just gonna become a choose your own

906
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 2: adventure Mets off season. And the first adventure we're gonna

907
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: choose is if we do open up the check books.

908
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: We've talked about that first because more fun. One of

909
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: our our Twitter big Twitter capadres, Jess Side, was like,

910
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 2: you guys should do your perfect offseason. I guess we

911
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: could do something similar to that because it would be

912
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: colls Correa, Marcus Semion, Chris Bryant, we check out the

913
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 2: Conford the market, starting Marte, Chris Taylor, Schwarber, Avey Garcia.

914
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 2: These would be the guys we're gonna be invested in

915
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 2: if we are opening up the check book if you will.

916
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean even on the pitching side. I'll

917
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: take Sureser. I'll take Sureser if you want to have

918
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: to talk about a perfect offseason with two for sixteen,

919
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: two for Sureser. We'll take a look at some of

920
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: those those top name guys out there. I'll take a

921
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: look at Justin Verlander. You want to give you one year,

922
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: twenty million, All right, I'll take a look.

923
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Kershaw two for forty five? Sure? Why not?

924
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: Now, well this happened? Oh gotten though? Absolutely not?

925
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: I mean it might it could.

926
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: I saw I don't know who wrote it to, but

927
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: I saw an interesting article about how Surezer would be

928
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: a great fit for the Mets, and I was like, well,

929
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: he would be a great fit for any team because.

930
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 2: He's on fature, could use Max Scherz. He might win

931
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: the say Young this year. He's a good fit. I

932
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: think he's a good fit. And Carlos Career, a twenty

933
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 2: seven year old shortstop in the prime of his career,

934
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: former number and overall pick playing elite baseball. He's yeah,

935
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 2: he would fit too, I.

936
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: Think who also played elite defense this year too. He

937
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 1: was a fantastic shortstop defensive. He won the Gold Glove

938
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 1: in the American League.

939
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: Did you also see what he said about Derek Jeter,

940
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 2: He's my guy now hilarious.

941
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: He said Derek Tiars should have won no gold gloves

942
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 1: that the defense of Metrics said he's terrible in the field.

943
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: And I think that's so funny because Yankee fans are

944
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: just like, we're gonna get Correy, No, no shot. No.

945
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: The Yankee fans are split on. Some of them are like,

946
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 2: we gotta get Karay, and some of them like, I

947
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 2: will not watch the Yankees if we get Krea.

948
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: De Migue, Harmon, rold As Chapman, Carlos Kray. That's where

949
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: I draw the lot.

950
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't, I can't. I can't do that.

951
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 2: But again, these are the guys that the Mets should

952
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 2: be in on. Like I think, I look at Marcus Semi,

953
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: I think, wow, he'd be such a good fit for

954
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 2: this team, even though his name is not even being

955
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 2: close to being brought up.

956
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: He'd be awesome. Honestly, if I'm gonna four for one hundred,

957
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna throw my eggs into a basket of

958
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: outside the shortstops because I think the short stops are

959
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: kind of like what everybody's talking about. Everybody wants Simeon

960
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: can play second, short and third, and he's great at

961
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: the plate and he's great with the glove. He feels

962
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: like such a great fit for this team because we

963
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: don't have a second baseman or third basement right now.

964
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: No, we would do self Jack McNeil, but again, his

965
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: role remains to be seen. But Marcus Emi and shockingly

966
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 2: has been an MVP finalist who have three seasons now,

967
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: the only one not being the shortened season. He's great. Again,

968
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 2: his name is not even being brought up anyway. Chris

969
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 2: Brian's name is been brought up a lot. I think

970
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 2: the Posts probably talked about it today. Even though the

971
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 2: post I don't think anybody should ever listen to them

972
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 2: for free agent advice because their their article from Monday.

973
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 1: But Ken Davidov Davidov, Oh my god, those.

974
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 2: Were some of the worst numbers I've ever seen thrown out.

975
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 2: It's like the guy, it's as if he hasn't added

976
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: any new baseball knowledge in the last five years, Like

977
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 2: he doesn't know how to how the market works anymore.

978
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: You think to think that I don't know. I'm not

979
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: going to go into it. I don't want to. I

980
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 2: don't want to give these people more credit than they deserve.

981
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: But another player who I think could be a very

982
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 2: good option for the Mets, kind of Semian before Semion,

983
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 2: would be Trevor Story. I really see Trevor Story taking

984
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 2: the Marcus Semian contract from this season, doing a one

985
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: or two year proved deal like two for forty eight,

986
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 2: something like that one for twenty five, and just being

987
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 2: able to tear up a place to get into a

988
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: market where there's not other elite shortstops available and being

989
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 2: able to just run the show, improve that he can

990
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: hit outside of the chorus fields. This came to me

991
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 2: earlier today and I was like, Wow, that makes so

992
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: much sense. He would want to recoup that value, and

993
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: he's no way he's on the on the same level

994
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 2: as Semi and Korea or Seeker.

995
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: We also have that weird thing with Hobby Bias, because

996
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: Hobby Bias is very available, and I like he played

997
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: so well that I think he played into getting a

998
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: more lucrative market. But also there's so many better players

999
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: ahead of him that I don't know who really is

1000
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: chomping out the bit to get Hobby Bias.

1001
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 2: No, we have to say that there's a lot of

1002
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 2: players better than Hovey, all the guys, all the in

1003
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 2: fields that we've mentioned on here, I'd rather have than

1004
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 2: Hobby Bias. But again, there is a world where Hobby

1005
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 2: probably does have to take a one year or two

1006
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: year deal because no one's really going to back up

1007
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: a brinkstruck for hobby Bys unless it's for a very

1008
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 2: low aav like a lameju type of deal like six

1009
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 2: fifteen million for five years.

1010
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: I think he'd be fools should take that kind of

1011
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: contract because he's what twenty eight, twenty nine as well.

1012
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: You know, I think hobbey Bys have benefit the most

1013
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: from a one or two year deal, similar to Trevor Story,

1014
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 2: similar to a guy like like Avy Garcia or probably

1015
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 2: similar to I think there's a lot of guys who

1016
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 2: cold benefit from these short deals. And I think that

1017
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 2: if the Mets don't want to make the ten year

1018
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: commitment to Korea, which I think they should make, I

1019
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: think it will prove fruitful because he could be at

1020
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 2: third base and not risk his body. Ever again, put

1021
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 2: on a little bit more mass and just hit thirty

1022
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 2: five home runs for the next seven years. But if

1023
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: that's not the route the Mets want to go, if

1024
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 2: they don't want to make that many long term investments,

1025
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 2: I think guys like Verlander, Kershaw, Semian Story, possibly Chris Taylor,

1026
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 2: depending out his market materialized because he's a little bit older.

1027
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: Possibly Schwarber still, because I still don't think teams want

1028
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 2: to pay a guy or who's torn as acl can't

1029
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: play the field super well. I think that's a very

1030
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 2: good place to beat, and there's so many players available

1031
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: as free agent mor window like the Mets really have

1032
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: an opportunity to not make any trades and improve this

1033
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: roster massively, and the Mets and Sandy Alderson talked about that,

1034
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 2: say during the gym meetings, where he brought up how

1035
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 2: the Mets are not interested in trading any guys out

1036
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: their lowest value, which basically means Cheff McNeil, dom Smith

1037
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 2: though that core group, which is interesting because we had

1038
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 2: been hearing that they're gonna rip up the core and

1039
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: now it sounds like no, no, no, no, we're not going

1040
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 2: to And then he also mentioned we're not trading any

1041
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 2: of the top prospects that we have either. Is this

1042
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 2: a chip that he's trying to play to make teams

1043
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 2: really more interested in these guys.

1044
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I don't know, but this even builds

1045
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: into like the whole thing with building this team and

1046
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: no president of Baseball operations. Those people might be like,

1047
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: we have to get rid of those guys the much

1048
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: like we won't do it. So I don't know what,

1049
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: but the direction is here. That's what's so confusing is

1050
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,479
Speaker 1: I don't really know where the Mets go. The great

1051
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: thing is a ton of options on the market, like

1052
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: you said, but it's really hard to figure out what

1053
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: to do until we know how much money's gonna be spent.

1054
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: Well, again, then we have to continue on the stought exercise.

1055
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 2: Just now, we went through basically all the position players

1056
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,439
Speaker 2: that the Mets could sign. We haven't even touched pitching

1057
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 2: x Pitching is a whole nother animal, but all the

1058
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 2: position players the Mets could get if they do open

1059
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 2: up the checkbook. But if that turns out to not

1060
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: be the case, I really just don't know how this

1061
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: team's gonna scrap together and I do win roster unless

1062
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: like all of the question marks work out. Jack McNeil

1063
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: becomes very good again. Don Smith becomes very good again.

1064
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 2: Deagram Mcarls carrasco have and Noasenig gonna have clean bills

1065
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: of health.

1066
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: Robinson Cano starts taking steroids again, but he doesn't have

1067
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: I would do anything romas Canoe take steroids again. It's

1068
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: a win win for the Mets that gotta takes steroids.

1069
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: But then you're gonna again the Canoe is gonna be

1070
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,959
Speaker 1: a major piece. JD is gonna be a major piece.

1071
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: I said before, Dom's gonna have to play well, and

1072
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: then you're gonna be back in that bargain.

1073
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 2: Barrel to fill the back end of this roster. And

1074
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 2: why the West capar As says a Hernandez that Jock

1075
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 2: Peterson him a cutchin a Jonathan VR reunion. Like those

1076
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 2: are the types of free agents that the Mets will be

1077
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 2: invested in. Maybe sign one of the big guys or

1078
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: just re signed Bias and then dive into that bargain bin.

1079
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 2: But you'll still be over the luxury tax, which makes

1080
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: it all make so much less sense to me. But

1081
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 2: that's why I think that if the Mets do not

1082
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 2: commit to spending a shit ton of money, we're gonna

1083
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: be back in the trade pool like last year, and

1084
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 2: then we are going to portray these elite prospects for

1085
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 2: our splash, just like last season.

1086
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: Jose Ramirez, Byron Buxton. I think those.

1087
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 2: Could Matt, Frankie and Montes.

1088
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, those could all be names. I don't think Montess

1089
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 1: has as much weight as the other guys we just mentioned.

1090
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: I think the baseball minds, yes, he fucking does. That

1091
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 2: guy's elite. He's a workhorse.

1092
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 1: We like Frankie Montas, but that's when we're talking about Chapman.

1093
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: I know you love them, but we're just named like.

1094
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: Three great Frankie montis the borderline ace. If he's starting

1095
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 2: Game two of the NLDS, you're in a good spot.

1096
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: I'm not slandering Frankie Montas. I'm just saying he's not

1097
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: in the same breath as the other guys we mentioned.

1098
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 2: I'm not on the SEO YouTube business. I'm looking at

1099
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: talent here. Frankie Montas is as valuable as baseball player

1100
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 2: as any of those guys you just mentioned.

1101
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: I'll die on that. Hell, all right, you can tie

1102
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: on that one. Maybe will Maybe we'll go into a

1103
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: deep dive into Frankie Montas. If the Mets actually do

1104
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 1: trade from I'll take them. I'll take them, no doubt.

1105
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to give up Ronnie

1106
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: Mauricio for them.

1107
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing. If you're getting any of these guys,

1108
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 2: the worst prospect of trading is probably Mark Fiantos, who

1109
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 2: this year has turned into being a pretty solid top

1110
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 2: hunch of prospect. I don't think Brett bay or Alvarez available.

1111
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 2: I think Mauricio, Matt Allen, Fiano's Jtgan, these are all

1112
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 2: the good prospects the Mets have. We don't have a

1113
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 2: lot of depth here, so trading this top tier would

1114
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: really kill the system. But again, like maybe we don't

1115
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 2: care about killing system. If you think that this is

1116
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 2: the last piece to a World Series roster, then yeah,

1117
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: you do that. It just doesn't seem like that's true.

1118
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 2: I don't think if you put Jose Ramirez on the

1119
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 2: Mets right now is currently constructed. They're even a playoff team,

1120
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 2: which is a pretty discussing phrase to other but it's true.

1121
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we definitely have a lot of bigger issues,

1122
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: and I really do think that the starting pitching. While

1123
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: we just talked about the offense, again, I think the

1124
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: starting pitching might be the biggest issue right now, because,

1125
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: like you said, we're relying on a lot of guys

1126
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: with injuries in the past. The Grom coming off a

1127
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: big injury, Carlos Carrasco being a little shaky, Taywan Walker

1128
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 1: coming off of the most inning Sea's ever paid basically.

1129
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 2: By a lot.

1130
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: And those are the three guys that we're counting on

1131
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: that are on this team. We don't know if cinder

1132
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: Guard's coming back. We need to get some pitchers. And

1133
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: I know you're the picture whisperer here, so I know

1134
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna have some names for us in the bargain.

1135
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: Been here.

1136
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: This is a pretty underrated pitching class in my opinion.

1137
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: I'm gonna come out with an article and pitch this

1138
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 2: in next few weeks about like comparing and contrasting a

1139
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 2: lot of guys on similar tiers, because there's a lot

1140
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 2: of very compelling tiers of pitchers, the first one being

1141
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 2: the rodn Gousman Robbie ray Tier. I'm putting all those

1142
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 2: guys together the bank bank Bank for me. You can

1143
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 2: put them in any order you feel, but their contracts

1144
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 2: are gonna be fascinating. They get because all of those

1145
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 2: guys have massive, massive, glaring, blinking, beeping red flags that

1146
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: you cannot ignore. But they've also each put together at

1147
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 2: least one elite season and two I mean actually all

1148
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 2: exactly one elite season being the most recent one. Rodin,

1149
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 2: if he's vlos these area, could be one of the

1150
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: best left handed pitches in baseball. Kevin Gousman seems like

1151
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: something finally clicked for a guy with a massive pedigree

1152
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 2: and he's just hitting his pitching prime at thirty one.

1153
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 2: And Robbie Ray like you can trust him or not,

1154
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 2: but the guy's probably gonna win the AlSi young and

1155
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 2: he's always had that potential within him, but finally the

1156
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: Blue Jays got found a way to get out of him.

1157
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: And it's just do you pay those guys twenty five

1158
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 2: million dollars? How many years do you do it for?

1159
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: Like someone's gonna come over at the top and off

1160
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: of these guys to five for one hundred five for one,

1161
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 2: twenty five for one for the six for like six

1162
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 2: for one for of the type of contracts.

1163
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: And Patrick Corbin contract, Yeah, do.

1164
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: You want to be that team? And that's gonna be

1165
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 2: a c you wouldn't do for any of them.

1166
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: I think I would do it a man if I

1167
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: had to rank those three guys. And I know you're

1168
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: not gonna like this, but Gosman's probably third on my list.

1169
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: Really, he's my one.

1170
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: I'm just so not he's good. I should say that.

1171
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: But when I watch him pitch, I don't like watch

1172
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: him and go like wow. I'm not like wow like

1173
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: Carlos Rodan at times this year looked pretty unhittable. No, definitely,

1174
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: And Robbie Ray like he just kind of attacks you.

1175
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: He just kind of comes firing at you.

1176
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 2: And I do like that well, and that was his

1177
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: big adjustment this year because everyone knows Robby Ray is

1178
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: a guy who walks everybody, and this year he's like,

1179
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 2: my stuff is so good, I'm just gonna throw it

1180
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 2: down the middle. So the Tyler Glasnaw strategy it fucking worked.

1181
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: And I probably go Ray, Rodin Gozman. And it's not

1182
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: that I don't want Gosman, it's just I like the

1183
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,439
Speaker 1: other guys better. I almost have the exact opposite list.

1184
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 2: I think that Robbie Ray is like the most volatile

1185
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: because I think his adjustment, while it was brilliant for him,

1186
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: could very very well be completely upended because his home

1187
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 2: run rate was a little high, and it did rise

1188
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: toward the end of the year, and he did have

1189
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: some of those starts where he would throw eight innings

1190
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 2: like fourteen strikeouts, look like the most dominant pitcher in baseball.

1191
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 2: But Robby Rays tricked me before. And I'm a little

1192
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 2: bit scared to be hurt by Robby Ray, especially because

1193
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 2: guys like Gausman and Rodin they still have that pedigree,

1194
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 2: Like I still watched them pitch and like, okay, there's

1195
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: something crazy there. Like I believe in their velocity more so,

1196
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 2: I believe in their command more so. It's basically about health.

1197
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 2: With Rodan and Gusman's basically about just throwing his splither

1198
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 2: and locating his fastball. Possibly if you ever got a slider,

1199
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: he would just really like turn the whole thing upside down,

1200
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 2: or even possibly a curve balls. They could play better

1201
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 2: with that rapidoire. But that's a very interesting tier. The

1202
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 2: next interesting tier is super interesting as well, because the

1203
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 2: shures are I mean, I'm actually s his own tier.

1204
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna put him in this tier. Sure's there's

1205
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 2: a elite. We all know that he's gonna cost you

1206
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 2: thirty mil. That's worth the Kershaw of Verlander Granky tier,

1207
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 2: Like wow, is that is that a compelling tier of pitchers?

1208
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: Three Hall of famers right? There? Probably three Hall of

1209
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: famers and three of them who are kind of well,

1210
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: they're not kind of old. They are old. Now. Kershaw

1211
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: is technically not old yet, but Verlander and Granky definitely are.

1212
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: Granky looks like he's coming towards the end of it.

1213
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he'll still pitch five innings every five days,

1214
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: like he's gonna be all reliable, that's for sure. Verlander

1215
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: was a cy young in the last time he's pitched like,

1216
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: he's still really good, but we haven't seen him pitch

1217
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: in a year, so that's scary. And then Kershaw has

1218
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: the injuries too, but he's also still really good. It's

1219
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: very It's so deep this pitching market that we even

1220
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: talk about these three and we don't know what to

1221
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: do with them.

1222
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 2: It's bizarre, like you can you cannot count on the

1223
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 2: health for probably either Kershew or Verlander. But I think

1224
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,919
Speaker 2: if we do mets go down the choosier adventure money path,

1225
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 2: one of those guys makes a ton of sense. I

1226
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: think if we go down the cheap path, Granky makes

1227
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 2: a ton of sense because he'll just give you two

1228
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 2: hundred innings that won't be that good, but they'll they'll

1229
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: be there, and they'll be a fun guy to have around.

1230
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 2: I guess it's a weird place to shop, but I

1231
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 2: think that if the Mets want to compete, similarly to

1232
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: how the Braves pulled Charlie Morton last offseason, the Mets

1233
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 2: have to find the way to get one of those

1234
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 2: older guys who can provide some stability in this rotation.

1235
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: And again, there's no telling whether kershwar Verlander can actually

1236
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 2: provide any stability whatsoever. Well, Kershaw just perpetually injured down

1237
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 2: Verlander's coming off a massive jury. But their least offer

1238
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: a ceiling that not many other classes of free agent

1239
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 2: pitchers have ever offered.

1240
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: You know, what's your rankings for those guys one, two,

1241
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: three who were going, God, that's fucking hard.

1242
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 2: Grank is third?

1243
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:22,439
Speaker 1: Yep?

1244
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: I agree with Oh Jesus Christ, I would probably shoot

1245
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 2: for the moon and say verlanda Kershaw.

1246
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: Yep, that's exactly what I had. If we're gonna go

1247
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: after that tier, I want Verlander to be the number

1248
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: one guy, Kershaw. There's just zero percent chance. There's no

1249
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: way Clayton Kershaw comes to New York Mets. I can't

1250
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:37,959
Speaker 1: see it. His mark would have to be so dead

1251
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: and the Mets would have to like just completely shock him.

1252
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: I don't know. It just feels like the Dodgers or

1253
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: someone else out west is going to be way more

1254
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: aggressive with him than the Mets would be.

1255
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: Like, if he doesn't go back to the Dodgers, I

1256
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 2: can see Kershaw going to a team where he knows

1257
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 2: at least he could possibly win. If the Mets are

1258
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 2: in the market for Kershaw, I'm assuming they've only gotten

1259
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 2: some other pieces there are gonna be in a winning market, that's.

1260
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: True, and signing one of these guys would show you

1261
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: that the Mets are going to spend and push. And

1262
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: that's another weird thing with this too, is the Mets

1263
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: have to make a decision with their their first signing

1264
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 1: because you can't just kind.

1265
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 2: Of like tippy toe down here immediately.

1266
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: You have to We'll know immediately what their direction is

1267
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: going to be.

1268
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 2: They will add some instant credibility too if this does happen.

1269
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 2: And that will bring me now to my favorite tier

1270
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: of the starting pitcher market. These are the guys who

1271
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 2: I love, the mid tiers. The guys are gonna be

1272
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 2: worth ten, twelve, fifteen, eighteen million dollars, the John Grays,

1273
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: Eduardo Rodriguez, my guy, Alex Cobb, Tony Disco, Yu, Sikakucci,

1274
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 2: Michael fucking Panada. We got even to go deeper down

1275
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 2: this list. These are not guys who I'm expecting the

1276
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: Mess to sign at all, but like Carlos Martinez waka

1277
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 2: Steven Mattz Alex would like there's a lot of Yeah,

1278
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 2: there's a lot of pictures out Tyler Anderson, mister Drew Smiley,

1279
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 2: folk hero in Atlanta, Danny Duffy who just disappeared this

1280
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 2: year after the Dodgers traded for him. There's a lot

1281
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 2: of pictures out there who can be viable. It's like

1282
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 2: walking through a minefield, but there's gonna be a lot

1283
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 2: of value that comes out of there heading into next season.

1284
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 2: I would hope the Mets are really attacked. I don't

1285
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 2: even put Rich Hill on that here, Jay Hap. I

1286
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 2: do hope visit Tier the Mets attack and acquire multiple

1287
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 2: pitchers down there.

1288
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: Not to mention we have Cindergarten Stroman too, who could.

1289
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 2: Very well come back to this.

1290
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1291
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 2: I wasn't mentioning Stroman because I think that's a separate

1292
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 2: discussion we have to have because his market, I think,

1293
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 2: is gonna be robust, but I think it's gonna be

1294
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 2: very there's gonna be a ceiling on it.

1295
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1296
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 2: I think I think thirteen team is gonna offer Marcus

1297
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 2: Rowan basically the exact same contract, something between eighteen and

1298
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 2: twenty four million dollars annual, between three and six year contracts,

1299
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 2: those of course being in a ratio with each other.

1300
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 2: I think it's basically gonna come down to where he

1301
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: wants to go.

1302
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's gonna have his choice. I hope it's the Mets.

1303
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: I'd love to have Marcus Stroman back. He was so

1304
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: great for us this year. But it's gonna be a

1305
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,720
Speaker 1: tough market for him. But the guys that you mentioned,

1306
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: I mean, the names aren't sexy by any means.

1307
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 2: Names are not.

1308
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: I mean to me, they are to the deeper knowledge

1309
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,959
Speaker 1: of baseball, you know, you go, okay, four or five,

1310
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: they're great, three even, we'll we'll take it. The one

1311
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: that jumped out to me immediately was Carlos Martinez because

1312
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: I know he has some crazy stuff. He's just never

1313
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: really been able to put it together. So he's a

1314
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: little bit more of a project, I'm sure, But I

1315
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: like hearing that name. I would love to see him

1316
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 1: under Jeremy Hefner. Jeremy Heffner, the pitching whisperer, sprinkle little

1317
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: dust on Carlos Martinez, a guy who threw one hundred.

1318
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 2: But Carlos Martinez has been a part of some of

1319
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 2: the worst innings I've ever watched in baseball. Statistically, pitch

1320
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 2: the worst ending ever this season with that playoff series

1321
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 2: from two years ago. That game against the Dodgers was

1322
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 2: just an absolute shit show. Like, I don't even know

1323
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 2: if you can sign him to be a starter at

1324
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 2: this point. Maybe he could be one of those he

1325
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 2: can be in that swingman role to the four innings.

1326
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 2: But the names from that list that really get me

1327
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 2: excited are John Gray in this order, John Gray.

1328
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: Which, by the way, the Rockies not giving him a

1329
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: qualifying offer is bunkers.

1330
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,479
Speaker 2: It's brain dead. It's brain dead operation from that team,

1331
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 2: which we all do. We know they're brain dead already,

1332
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 2: so that's not a surprise. But to not train him

1333
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 2: because they said they're gonna give him qualifying offer and

1334
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 2: get the draft capital, and then not give him the

1335
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 2: qualifying offer. Like, what the fuck is going on there?

1336
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 2: Who's running the organization that team?

1337
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: I feel I'm so sorry Rockies fans. I feel so

1338
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 1: bad for you.

1339
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 2: If any Rockies fans listen to this, like we would

1340
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 2: really accept you as them. I think this is probably

1341
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 2: the only team you can get to that could possibly

1342
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 2: become more dysfunctional in the Rockies. But I think we'll

1343
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 2: at least have more fun doing it. But we won't be

1344
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 2: doing it at altitude, so pitchers ball have curveballs. But

1345
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 2: I'd love to see John Gray get out of course field.

1346
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 2: I think he's definitely not gonna be resigned there next

1347
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 2: year by not giving him the qualifying offer. Someone's gonna

1348
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 2: sign John Gray. Someone's gonna get some good value at it.

1349
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 2: Ward Rodriguez, I think, is another guy who could really

1350
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 2: benefit from a change of scenery. Just getting out of

1351
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 2: the Al East be massive for him. He's better than

1352
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 2: people thought over the last few years. He had that

1353
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 2: very scary bat with Covid led to a hearty with

1354
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 2: me or something crazy like that. But he keeps the

1355
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 2: ball on the ground. His slider can be okay at times,

1356
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 2: like he's a guy who could be a very reliable

1357
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 2: mid rotation piece for the met Pitching in a much

1358
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 2: worse offensive environment than fenen Waite Park against the Yankees

1359
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 2: of the race and the Blue Jays.

1360
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 1: Oh come to the NL East and pitching in city field,

1361
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure we do wonders.

1362
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 2: For Iran absolutely And also I love Ala copp Man.

1363
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 2: I want Alex cop in this team so bad. He's

1364
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 2: one of the most underrated pitchers in all baseball. I'll

1365
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 2: go out and a limb and say that the splitter

1366
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 2: is amazing when his rock and hits rocking this year

1367
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 2: was freaking rocking. The guy had a career high k rate.

1368
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,479
Speaker 2: I really feel like he was never right after leaving

1369
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 2: the Rays and kind of got he got hit in

1370
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 2: the head, then he got Tommy Johns. And there's a

1371
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 2: lot of shit going on for Alex Cobb for the

1372
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 2: last five years. But this is the first year you

1373
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 2: got out of Baltimore too, which is literally a graveyard

1374
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 2: for pictures. But he finally got to a ballpark that

1375
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 2: will actually angel Sam's actually is a pretty good hits park.

1376
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, matter what happened, all the guys in

1377
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 2: the angel As striking everybody out this year, and alex

1378
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 2: Cop benefits from that. I think he would be a

1379
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: great option for the Mets. Three for forty five. I

1380
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 2: would be over the moon if they signed him to

1381
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 2: that deal.

1382
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Alex Cop doesn't get you know, the growing tigling

1383
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: over here, but it's.

1384
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 2: Now we're looking for We're looking to win baseball games here.

1385
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 2: We need like three starting pitchers. He could happily be

1386
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 2: one of them.

1387
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: But do you think he's gonna be able to the

1388
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,879
Speaker 1: Mets get priced out of him in that we're gonna

1389
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: need somebody that we can't pay him. Maybe like a

1390
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: team come in and super aggressive with him.

1391
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 2: I think there's an opportunity to jump the starting picture

1392
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 2: market if you can identify a mid tier guy that

1393
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 2: you like just because of the chaos and the top

1394
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 2: Because sure as there's a top guy. I do think

1395
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 2: he's gonna stay a Dodger, but there's gonna be a

1396
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 2: little bit of a market for him. Those next three

1397
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 2: guys are complicated as hell, Like teams are tearing their

1398
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 2: hair out right now trying to determine how much money

1399
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 2: Carlos Rodon, Kevin Gaisman, Robbie Way are worth and then

1400
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 2: you have the old guys. We're gonna garner a ton

1401
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 2: of interests. Like we just mentioned. So, I think if

1402
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 2: you can identify a Tony Disco and while the Rodriguez,

1403
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 2: Alex Cobb, John Gray, Gihn. Gray will have a little

1404
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 2: bit more shine because he was a former first round pick.

1405
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 2: Everyone knows about his acumen and getting out of Cord

1406
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 2: is always gonna have that little sexy element for free

1407
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 2: agent pictures.

1408
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: And no Qo Tag is huge, Yes, no.

1409
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 2: Qo Tag is hugely not gonna have to give up

1410
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: a draft pick to get him. But if you can

1411
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 2: identify these mid tier guys, even a guy like Juay Kokuchi,

1412
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 2: who I think made a big step this year, added

1413
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: some velocity. He's a fine, fine picture. He's not gonna

1414
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 2: wow anybody. There's not no sex appeal with U, say Kakuci,

1415
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 2: but like he's a fine starting pitcher, you can plug

1416
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 2: him into this rotation. You can have value added if

1417
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 2: you jump the market and pick up two of those guys.

1418
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 2: I think that's a good route the Mets can go.

1419
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 2: But again, we need to have some kind of coherent

1420
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 2: philosophy for that to happen. We just simply don't have

1421
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:42,439
Speaker 2: that right now.

1422
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, once Syndergard accepts that qualifying offer, which

1423
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: seems like is gonna happen relatively soon. It seems like

1424
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: Cydergard is just gonna be a Met and stay here

1425
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: for at least one more year. We have seven mil

1426
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: to work with. It's not a lot, and that's gotta

1427
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: make a decision soon. Like you said, I think we

1428
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: should try to jump the market. I really do.

1429
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 2: I mean, get these guys and again, like you can

1430
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 2: do that, like you saw the Braves do it last year.

1431
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 2: They pulled Charlley Moreton very early in the game. They

1432
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 2: got him to a very team friendly deal. But these

1433
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 2: are the types of guys the Mets guy to get

1434
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 2: guys who are relatively reliable. We'll throw a lot of

1435
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 2: innings and you have a little bit of the ceiling

1436
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 2: left coming into an organization who we think is near

1437
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 2: the cunning edge of pitching development.

1438
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be nice. There's definitely arms out there.

1439
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: The market is.

1440
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 2: So deep this year.

1441
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: I feel like this is wild, so deep. This sounds weird,

1442
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: but like, while it doesn't have the Harper Machado. You

1443
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: know the shine that that free class. Yeah story, Seeger,

1444
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: this class is better from an actual baseball standpoint. That

1445
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: was better from like the casual baseball standpoint of You

1446
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,479
Speaker 1: see the two names three hundred million dollar men. These guys,

1447
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: While I don't know if any of them were necessarily,

1448
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: Correa probably has the best chance to be a three

1449
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: hundred million dollar man.

1450
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 2: I think he'll get close to that.

1451
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 1: But there's so much good talent. I wish we had

1452
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,280
Speaker 1: more money to play with, because.

1453
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 2: Why don't we have Why don't we have one way

1454
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 2: in to play with? Why can't the Mets have a

1455
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 2: three hundred million dollar Pariol next year?

1456
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: Literally? Why not?

1457
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 2: Like, why can't the Mets sign like Verlander, Goussman and Alex.

1458
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: Cup Because it just feels like they're not going to

1459
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: I think Sandyvendta.

1460
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 2: Then we're not gonna compete. We're not a Met. Well,

1461
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 2: no chance to win a World Series next year if

1462
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 2: they don't sign a lot of these guys again, unless

1463
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 2: everything works out perfectly. Jeff McNeil hits three thirty, Don

1464
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 2: Smith's thirty home runs, Jacob deGrom, Carls Carrasco, and Noison

1465
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 2: The guard all perfectly healthy. If all that goes perfectly,

1466
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 2: then yeah, the metsica compete win ninety games. But that's

1467
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 2: like the ninety percentile of expectations. It's a pipe tree.

1468
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 2: You want to build a floor something we've talked about

1469
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 2: a lot. You need to sign tons of these guys.

1470
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 2: And again even back to the bargain hitters like Jack Peterson,

1471
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: bring him in, Markanna, bring him in, Chris Taylor, bring

1472
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 2: him in. I don't care about what positions these guys

1473
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 2: are playing. Just a mass talent.

1474
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: That's what we need.

1475
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 2: Talent.

1476
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 1: That's a big thing that I see a lot of

1477
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: people talk about now. They're like, well, we already have this,

1478
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: we already have that, it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Look

1479
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: what the Braves just did. They signed four outfielders. They

1480
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: got four outfielders, none of them play center field, none

1481
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: of them complay center field, and they just won the

1482
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: friggin World Series. I mean, there can never be too

1483
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 1: much talent. This is the thing you saw the Dodgers

1484
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 1: do in the past two with pitchers, where they'd come

1485
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: to spring training with like twelve thirteen legitimate starting pitchers

1486
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: and then they cut some guys. Would that be the

1487
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: worst thing ever. The Mets have too many good players,

1488
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god, because you.

1489
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 2: Could you imagine, But like like everybody, everybody's gonna be

1490
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 2: out there, throw money in any money, Throw money at

1491
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 2: Dexter Fowler. I don't even care. Throw money. I get,

1492
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 2: I love, just get we met any bodies in here

1493
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 2: to be in the bench. Like again, like that, Dexter

1494
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 2: Fowler is a bad choice. He's a guy who I'd

1495
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 2: give like the I'd give him like the Triple A

1496
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 2: taxi contracts. He's willing to play Triple A baseball. He's

1497
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 2: a perfect guy to keep down there. Same with like

1498
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 2: Corey Dickerson, Cole Calhoun, guys who are competent Major League

1499
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 2: baseball players, whore better than al Brol Moore junior. That's

1500
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 2: the goal here, and then just fucking attack these markers, man,

1501
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 2: get these players, get a lot. Just so many good

1502
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 2: players out there. We haven't even mentioned that Casianos, who

1503
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 2: everybody mess twy is talking about, who I think would

1504
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 2: just be a complete unmitigated disaster in the mess. This

1505
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 2: would be Jason Bay two point Oh. I'm sure if

1506
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 2: it the.

1507
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: Great Wall Flushing is back'd be terrible.

1508
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 2: And I think he's gonna be a bad player, Like

1509
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 2: he'd be fine if you pay him twenty eight million dollars.

1510
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 2: He's gonna be awful on defense. He's gonna make some

1511
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 2: errors that are really gonna make people's eyebrows rise. And

1512
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 2: he's just in his career like when he was a Tiger,

1513
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 2: Like he was basically the same hitter. But it's just

1514
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 2: a bigger ballpark that will happen in city field. Something

1515
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 2: go wrong. I know for a fact, I'd rather give

1516
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 2: Avey Garcia at thirteen million dollars. I fucking love that guy.

1517
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: Mike trout Light, Yes, Aaviy Garcia is a sneaky good player,

1518
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: and I think that's something we're gonna do in upcoming episodes.

1519
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna give like we did our perfect

1520
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: you know prediction. But that was also a little bit

1521
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: funny too, just naming every single good player and saying

1522
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: we want him. I think we're gonna come up with

1523
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: the list. We're gonna come up with like ten guys,

1524
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: maybe ten under the radar guys. We're gonna get a

1525
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: lot of content as well as turn him into YouTube

1526
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,439
Speaker 1: videos for you guys here too, because there's so much

1527
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: to talk about here with the free agency and the

1528
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: off season. Last note here before we wrap up this episode,

1529
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: because I think we've covered pretty much everything here coming

1530
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: up on an hour. Michael CONFORDO, Is he back with

1531
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: the Mets? Yes or no? We've asked this before, I'm

1532
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: asking it again.

1533
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 2: I think probably not. But I think that they should

1534
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 2: be much more in the market than they are. It

1535
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 2: seems like they're not really involved at all. I think

1536
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 2: he was a guy who just has a high floor.

1537
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 2: Like we saw the worst he could ever possibly be

1538
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 2: this year, and it wasn't good. It definitely wasn't pretty,

1539
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 2: but he was still like better than an average baseball player,

1540
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 2: which it's not the easiest thing to find. Mets show

1541
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 2: this this past offseason with the roster construction, so I

1542
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 2: don't I don't really think that give him out good

1543
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 2: four though, like five for ninety would be the end

1544
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 2: of the world. I think that's something he might accept.

1545
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 2: I think he's another guy who's be very likely to

1546
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 2: take the one or two year deal, one for twenty,

1547
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 2: get Mikln four though back, get the band back and

1548
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 2: gonna do it again, take the tears back, wipe him

1549
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 2: with a towel or Okay, man, I just don't think

1550
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 2: he's not, don't. I don't think he's gonna be back.

1551
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so either. It just seems like,

1552
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: especially if he's gonna take like a one for twenty

1553
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: taking not taking like the one for eighteen.

1554
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 2: QO.

1555
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: I know he's Scott Boris guy too, So Scott Borsch

1556
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: just doesn't do that. But it feels like the CONFORDA

1557
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: days are probably ninety five percent.

1558
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 2: Over definitely, but with Scott Boris. Rather give him a

1559
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 2: lower deal that buys him out of the best time

1560
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 2: in free agency, like Mi Mancolin Fourlill would make more

1561
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 2: money if he signed a one year deal got back

1562
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 2: to for aging next year. He's just a twenty nine

1563
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 2: year old. He's only twenty eight right now. People forget

1564
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 2: that he could even sign a two year deal and

1565
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 2: approach free agency just as a thirty year old. That

1566
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 2: wouldn't be a bad thing at all.

1567
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,479
Speaker 1: Take a page out of Stroman's book and Simeon even

1568
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: semi and yeah, like all these Schreber, these guys are

1569
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: gonna get some decent money and they kind to gamble

1570
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: down themselves. You don't want to buy it. You don't

1571
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: want to basically price yourself out your lowest, and that's

1572
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: what Michael Conforto is doing right now.

1573
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 2: Definitely, unless someone does come over the top and give him,

1574
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 2: like the Ken Day of the Special six for one forty.

1575
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 2: If anyone offers marcol five six for one forty, you're

1576
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:13,959
Speaker 2: running to the bank with that. You're saying, this is great.

1577
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: By the way, he had it as the Phillies, that's nonsense.

1578
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 2: I know, but I mean they do have the ties

1579
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 2: to Boris TOMBRASKI wouldn have taken a job they weren't

1580
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 2: gonna spend. And mccol fourthough spoken highly of Kevin Long,

1581
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 2: who's there? Where the fuck are.

1582
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: They gonna get all that? Wait, the Kevin Long's not

1583
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: on the Phillies.

1584
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 2: I thought he was a Phillies hitting coach.

1585
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: Now he's Nationals.

1586
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 2: Did he leave the Nationals this year?

1587
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: Well, he was partying with Soto at the Dodgers games

1588
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: were National stuff, So that'd be weird if he's now

1589
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: a Philly like Weeks.

1590
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 2: Current hitting coach with the Philadelphia Phillies.

1591
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, so Kevin Long's on the Phillies. I mean

1592
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: he's a Gerardi guy. That Yeah, the higher than October fourteenth,

1593
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: right after the playoff thing rocking the Nashers. Okay, that

1594
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: makes sense. That makes me a little bit more scared.

1595
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 2: But he could definitely be a Philly. It would make

1596
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 2: tons of sense.

1597
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: Where do they get that fucking money If Brasky's not

1598
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: taking a job, they didn't have money in spence here,

1599
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: here's what I'm gonna say. If the Phillies end up

1600
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: spending more money than us this offseason, that's bad. That

1601
01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: can't happen, especially with Steve Cobens deep Pock.

1602
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 2: It would also be hilarious if the Phillies like spend

1603
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 2: their money on a corner outfield when that's like one

1604
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 2: of the easiest things you can buy. When they don't

1605
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 2: have a shortstop and have two starting pictures. Yeah three,

1606
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 2: I guess now. Yeah, oh boy.

1607
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: Off season man, it's just getting started for agency, just beginning,

1608
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: and we have no clue what the Mets are doing.

1609
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: That's gonna wrap up here for episode number sixty of

1610
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: the Mets Up Podcast. Make sure you're following us on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok,

1611
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,520
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1612
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1613
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Speaker 1: at draftneck mark. If you're listening to us Apple Podcasts, Spotify,

1614
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1615
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: It really just help us out. That's where we'll wrap

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01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: it up. Guys. We'll see you next week for episode

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01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: number sixty one of the Mets Up Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Peace Out, peace Out, guys, See you next time.

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