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Speaker 1: Gotleeb Show you listen to Fox Sports Radio. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: Shore Sanders got to play. It wasn't very good. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't very good.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Here's Shore Sanders talking about his first naps in the

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Speaker 3: First and foremost fun to thank God from giving me

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Speaker 3: the opportunity to get out there. That's all you could

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Speaker 3: ask for, honestly, the chance to get out there, get

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Speaker 3: your feed wet, to experience how it feels, you know,

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Speaker 3: to even be out there with the team. We have

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Speaker 3: the first group with everybody, so I'm truly he was excited.

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Speaker 3: It was a rough day overall, but the thing that

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Speaker 3: I was excited about is just being able to get

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Speaker 3: out there. You know, it's the first time I got

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Speaker 3: hit like since since my last game at Colorado, So

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Speaker 3: just having that feeling bad, you know, it's good.

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Speaker 1: Yep, no, I get it. It is good. It's definitely good.

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Speaker 1: He was four of sixteen through a bad pick, looked overwhelmed.

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Speaker 1: Here's Rex Ryan on ESPN earlier today commenting on Shador

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Speaker 1: and what he was doing after the game.

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Speaker 2: He's got to get over himself too, Like he's there

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Speaker 2: by himself on the.

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Speaker 1: Bench at the end of the game.

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Speaker 2: I've never seen I've seen it in the seventh game

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Speaker 2: of World Series. When you lose a game or whatever.

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Speaker 2: This is a game, is a pillow fight game. Nobody cares.

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Speaker 2: He cares back, Yeah, did he care? Or are you

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Speaker 2: trying to make it a show and make it about yourself.

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Speaker 2: You've got a guy over there that, by the way,

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Speaker 2: was looking for you. He was looking for you right there.

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Speaker 2: Why didn't share a moment with him? All right? All right,

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Speaker 2: share a moment with Lamar? Be looking all over for you.

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Speaker 2: They get in there with your teammates. These are your teammates,

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Speaker 2: all right, These are your teammates, and talk about I'm

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Speaker 2: not comfortable losing. You think anybody in that locker room

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I just I don't know, like, look, we maybe

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Speaker 1: I compartmentalize things better than other people. Okay, I didn't

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Speaker 1: like to watch ACT. I definitely knew, you know why

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Speaker 1: he didn't get drafted. I didn't think it was a

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Speaker 1: the whole ACT or trying to determine and many things

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Speaker 1: he said. But what you can't do, or I don't

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Speaker 1: think you can do, is factor in those things, even

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Speaker 1: in the preseason whatever. You know, the the miming answers,

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Speaker 1: and just let's just take yesterday. Okay, he was bad.

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Speaker 1: It was awful. It looked it was kind of sad

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Speaker 1: and you're just sitting there and it happens really really fast.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he's sitting there with his helmet in his hand,

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Speaker 1: he's listening, or he's got his helmet on, he's listened

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Speaker 1: all to play calls, honestly, and you're in and you're like,

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Speaker 1: I've waited my whole life. And then you get in

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Speaker 1: I'm not holding that against him, nor will I sit

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Speaker 1: an NFL quarterback. I've never been so infatued with Shador

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Speaker 1: he is not a very good basketball player, why would

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Speaker 1: me especially, and my old staff were like, he didn't

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Speaker 1: Shador is the greatest. He's got to be out there.

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Speaker 1: He's got his laws, he holds them all too long,

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Speaker 1: won't see him much longer in the NFL. Is that

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Speaker 1: and it could not go in line with how much

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that that's fair.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how you could expect anything from him,

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Speaker 5: to be honest, considering the lack of practice snaps that

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Speaker 5: anybody succeeds in that situation, maybe a fifteen year veteran

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Speaker 5: way that they could succeed. He had what four completions.

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Speaker 5: One of the incompletions, if I mean, if it's just

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Speaker 5: And I do think that that stuff is weird. So

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Speaker 5: you're doing a much better job of separating what you

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Speaker 1: I'll just again, and maybe I'm personalizing too much, And

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Speaker 1: Saint Thomas. I'm friends with Johnny Tower. He's the coach.

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Speaker 1: So we play poorly. I have a player suffer a

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Speaker 1: And again I know that's not how he normally would be,

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Speaker 1: I need to do protocol with this kid, how to

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Speaker 1: manage my own emotions with that deal. Right, So the

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Speaker 1: point is maybe I I've built in more empathy than

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Speaker 1: I should, but I do know that, guys, you I

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Speaker 1: have a player's name's Justin Allen, and we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: the sum in the pod. He was a star in

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Speaker 1: Division three, star twenty six points a game, Carnegie Mellon.

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Speaker 1: So we play against Bradley in an exhibition and Dan,

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Speaker 1: he was just so nervous, so nervous, and then we

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Speaker 1: to yourself, like you've been playing at a slightly above average.

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Speaker 1: And now you're playing at Kansas, right, And so for me,

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Speaker 1: I've been through all this stuff as a player and

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Speaker 1: I struggle to relate to it. But the kid was

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Speaker 1: And so for Shador, my thing is when you've been

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Speaker 1: denying that, but you go to that, to being kind

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Speaker 1: There's no question about it.

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Speaker 4: And I am.

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Speaker 5: I'm much higher on how he did play considering the circumstances,

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Speaker 5: Like I don't four of sixteen is not great. Obviously.

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Speaker 5: JJ McCarthy was one hopping passes to receivers yesterday and

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Speaker 5: we're still not talking about him as much. Sure so,

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Speaker 5: like there's I think that for the couple of throws

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Speaker 4: I was impressed.

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Speaker 5: But remember last year, the year before, he was there

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Speaker 1: No question. Yeah, suddenly disappears. I get it, I get it.

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Speaker 1: You cult, you know, it does become a bad look

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Speaker 1: Oh, what a creative call.

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Speaker 3: And Mark Andrews goes from the push push to the

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Speaker 6: Now the Ravens have the lead.

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Speaker 1: That helped my fantasy team as well, the fake Bush,

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Speaker 1: Fox Radio. It's a Monday that means we get to

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Speaker 1: catch up with former GM of the Chargers for eleven

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Speaker 1: years and the Raiders last year. He's a friend of Doug,

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Speaker 1: a friend of the program. He's Tom Telasco. He joins

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Speaker 1: Let's start off with the most discussed fifth round pick,

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Speaker 1: Obviously the stats look bad, but what were your thoughts

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Speaker 1: as a GM watching Shador Sanders in villain duty yesterday?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm sure there'll be no irrational rants or analysis

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Speaker 8: of Sagar Sanders performance today, But just for contact The

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Speaker 1: S Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Trader. That's

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Speaker 1: the voice of Tom to LESCo, long time gentle manager

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Speaker 1: in the National Football League. It was nineteen All the

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Speaker 8: to make a decision there. I think Kyler still has

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Speaker 8: plenty of talent. And it's again it's a new regime.

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Speaker 8: But I'm just not ready to give up on him yet.

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Speaker 8: He's too athletic, he's got a strong arm, he can

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Speaker 8: make a lot of plays outside the pocket. He's hard

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Speaker 8: to prepare for. They gradually upgrade the talent on that team.

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Speaker 8: But again, like if you want to move on from him,

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Speaker 8: where are you going to go? And right now, there

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Speaker 8: aren't a lot of places to go.

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Speaker 1: No, No. Bryce Young obviously struggled last year, lost his

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Speaker 1: job for a little bit, got it back statistically yesterday

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Speaker 1: his best day as a pro. Four to forty eight,

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Speaker 1: three touchdowns known receptions. Where are you on Bryce Young

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Speaker 1: long term with the Panthers.

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Speaker 8: I'm just not sure yet. I know you put up

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Speaker 8: a great amount of yards yesterday. I had to hit

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Speaker 8: a very nice game, you know against the Falcons defense

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Speaker 8: that's been up and down but two weeks ago the

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Speaker 8: Panthers got to win against the Packers and you know,

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Speaker 8: Bryce through FO one hundred yards and less than fifty

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Speaker 8: percent completion. So it's been a little bit up and down.

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Speaker 8: I think Dave kanalas quietly has done more with less

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Speaker 8: any coach in the NFL this year. He's do an

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Speaker 8: amazing job with the whole team. And defensively, j Everew

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Speaker 8: has done a great job. I mean, they had one

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Speaker 8: of the worst defenses in the league last year and

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Speaker 8: I didn't think they did a lot to improved first

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Speaker 8: l wise over the over the offseason, and they're balling

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Speaker 8: out right now. So with with I just don't know

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Speaker 8: at the quarterback spot with Bryce Young, is he the

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Speaker 8: guy now? If he has enough talent around him, which

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Speaker 8: they've gotten better, maybe he's got a chance. And he

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Speaker 8: shows something yesterday. But just with the with the size,

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Speaker 8: it just it shows up a lot. You know how

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Speaker 8: he plays in the pocket. Now, he's got very quick guys.

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Speaker 8: You can get the ball out quickly, but it's it's

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Speaker 8: hard playing in his size or a long over the

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Speaker 8: long haul.

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Speaker 4: In this league.

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Speaker 8: So we'll see, Like yesterday it was great and I

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Speaker 8: needs to keep coming on and the talent is gradually

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Speaker 8: getting better with the Panthers. But you know, we shall see.

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Speaker 8: But you know this can't be a week to week

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Speaker 8: up and down or you look at the whole body work.

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Speaker 8: The whole body works to me show it needs to

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Speaker 8: keep coming along with them.

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Speaker 1: Awesome stuff, Tom, Thanks so much for joining us. Look

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Speaker 1: forward to our weekly weekly chat. Appreciate being our guest

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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 8: You got it. Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 4: Doug.

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Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show podcast. Welcome in. So there's a million

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Speaker 1: ways we could go with today's show because last night's

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Speaker 1: game was so it wasn't even mid It actually lived

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Speaker 1: down to everything Jason Stewart has said about the failings

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Speaker 1: of the National Football League right where Wich is like,

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Speaker 1: people keep watching and it's just not that good a product.

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Speaker 1: Game did not feel like it was in question. We

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Speaker 1: can get to a little bit of love for Dak Prescott,

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Speaker 1: who has I think, without any question, regained some footing

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Speaker 1: in those top ten quarterback discussions, even though none of

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Speaker 1: this is the playoff games. They're not going to the

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Speaker 1: playoffs likely this year. To me, the discussion is over

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Speaker 1: the Raiders. It's over the Raiders. I have a ton

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Speaker 1: of personal knowledge of the Raiders. You know, I've had

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Speaker 1: family members work for the Raiders over the years, and

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Speaker 1: you know, like Telesco, who joins us on a weekly basis,

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Speaker 1: he was the gentle manager of the Raiders for a year,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's kind of the biggest issue the

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Speaker 1: Raiders since two thousand and two, okay, or really, if

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Speaker 1: you want to go, since two thousand and one when

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Speaker 1: John Gruden left. The next year, Bill Callahan took them

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Speaker 1: to a Super Bowl and they won eleven games since then.

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Speaker 1: Since then, and we're talking about the last twenty three years,

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Speaker 1: they've had two double digit win seasons. And here's the kicker.

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Speaker 1: They haven't had any nine win seasons. They've only had

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Speaker 1: four eight win seasons. So once you think about this

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Speaker 1: for the last twenty three years, last twenty three years,

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Speaker 1: the Oakland Raiders, who are a historic power and a

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Speaker 1: big name in the Nation Football League, I mean, this

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Speaker 1: is just crazy. They've had six seasons of five hundred

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Speaker 1: or better. It seems almost impossible to be that bad. Right,

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Speaker 1: They're not average, they're below average. Most team in the

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Speaker 1: league's finished between seven and nine, nine and seven. Remember, now,

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Speaker 1: only do they only have those four eight win seasons

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Speaker 1: during that same period of time, they only have two

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Speaker 1: seven win seasons. And you're like, wait, now, you're kind

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Speaker 1: of nickeling, Timon, No, I'm not. Most teams in the

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Speaker 1: NFL between seven and nine, nine and seven will have

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Speaker 1: fifteen of them. This year, So only eight times in

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Speaker 1: twenty three years they finished with seven wins or more.

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Speaker 1: How is that possible? How is that level of bad

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Speaker 1: luck slash missmanagement possible? And it's not like the end

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Speaker 1: they've had. You know, they've had some curious coaching decisions.

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Speaker 1: They did have John Gruden for three of those years.

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Speaker 1: When he returned, they had Lane Kiffen, but it was

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Speaker 1: back in the day and Lane Kiffen won four games

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Speaker 1: his first year, then fired early on in his second year.

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Speaker 1: They have had NORV Turner, who has seen as an

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Speaker 1: offensive genius in some of his stylings. His sons still

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Speaker 1: coaching in the league today. They've had Jack del Rio,

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Speaker 1: who took them to one of their double digit win season,

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Speaker 1: their twelve wins season, the ten wins season that they

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Speaker 1: had in twenty twenty one was won the COVID year

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Speaker 1: and two. Rich Pasacia, who's a special teams coach with

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Speaker 1: the Packers, was responding for their late season and really

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Speaker 1: kind of took a miracle to get them to that

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Speaker 1: tenth win and get them into the playoffs. It's almost

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Speaker 1: impossible how bad the Raiders have been. Almost impossible, But

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Speaker 1: I think it's do I think that Pete Carroll is

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Speaker 1: in Caple I do not do. I think it's his

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Speaker 1: first year. I do. And this is the classic house

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Speaker 1: that somebody decided to redo a long time ago, and

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Speaker 1: now we've gone through five different contractors and it has

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Speaker 1: no theme, it has no feel, and no one knows

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Speaker 1: exactly what it is other than hey, this used to

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Speaker 1: be a really cool house in a really cool spot

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Speaker 1: and it is not now, like we do. I'm not

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Speaker 1: a harp on the negative guy. Do we pick out

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Speaker 1: negative things? Is that part of sports radio? Of course

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Speaker 1: it is, But we don't ride the Jaguars, who, by

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Speaker 1: the way, won this weekend. We had to Tuesday morning

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Speaker 1: quarterback in the afternoon upcoming, and I think the guys

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Speaker 1: have done a great job of some topics. Bless you

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Speaker 1: Dan Byer, Bless you Dan Byer. Bless you dan Byer,

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Speaker 1: Bless you Dan Byer. For sneeze? Is that another one? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Do you go threes or fourst Dan?

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Speaker 4: I sometimes go five or six to be honest, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's most people go three. Don't you guys go three?

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Speaker 1: I'm a three guy. If it goes over that third seed, sneeze,

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Speaker 1: I don't make you say anything nice about me period.

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Speaker 5: I'll just say this, I'm rare, but I do know

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Speaker 5: others like me that sneeze four or five six times

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Speaker 5: when we see Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's like a quick rabbit one for you. YEA, mine

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Speaker 1: are big, like blowout any of the brains left in

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Speaker 1: your head. Three sneezes and then if I get to four,

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Speaker 1: just be done with me, throw me away. I'm worthless.

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Speaker 1: But I again, I want you to think about this.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those we're in a an era. College

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Speaker 1: football has taking this on and the NFL, you know,

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Speaker 1: we still get to it, which is like the second

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Speaker 1: your season feels like it's lost, fire the coach. Here's

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Speaker 1: a perfect example, and i'll grant you McDaniels. It didn't work, Pierce.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it was working. I get the

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Speaker 1: feeling it was not. Pete Carroll has one wherever he's been,

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Speaker 1: and obviously part of it was it was getting closer

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Speaker 1: to what grew, you know, grew building from four wins,

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Speaker 1: seven wins, eight wins, and then without him ten wins,

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Speaker 1: and then he was gone and they lost all of

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Speaker 1: their Uncle uh, you know, Uncle Moe after that. But

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Speaker 1: if there's ever been a case for sticking with the process,

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Speaker 1: not just change for change's sake. I give you the

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Speaker 1: Oakland Raiders and look, you know, three GMS in the

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Speaker 1: last three years, hack five in the last five years.

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Speaker 1: This is what it looks like. This is that's five contractors.

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Speaker 1: That's everybody has their own idea and nobody's say the

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Speaker 1: previous idea. And you keep moving out parts and moving

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Speaker 1: in quarterbacks. Yes, Pete Carroll continues, they decided Gino was

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Speaker 1: worth it. He's not. He's just not. He topped out

609
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Speaker 1: a while back. He's a better version of what he

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Speaker 1: used to be. And now he's getting older and he's

611
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Speaker 1: not protected particularly well. And they don't have great weapons,

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Speaker 1: you know, And this is what they do. But I

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Speaker 1: mean in terms of how much the Raiders are talked about,

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Speaker 1: all the good feelings you get rooting for them, or

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Speaker 1: feelings of the past, or maybe you don't like the

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Speaker 1: Raiders or don't like their fans, whatever I mean in

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Speaker 1: terms of actual success, think about that. The Raiders have

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Speaker 1: had two seasons of double digit wins in the last

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Speaker 1: twenty three years. They've had six seasons of five hundred

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Speaker 1: or better. That's laughingstock of the NFL and it's not

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Speaker 1: for a lack of trying. It's not for not having

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Speaker 1: really good people involved. And it's not for an owner

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Speaker 1: who you know, previously didn't have any money. They have

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Speaker 1: money since moving to Vegas. They've just had way, way, way,

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Speaker 1: way way too many chiefs and not enough Indians and

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Speaker 1: too many different directions, too many different ideas when just

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Speaker 1: stick with one plan and ride it out. And you know,

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Speaker 1: it's covered up by the fact that they had the

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Speaker 1: one playoff year. They've been to the playoffs twice, you know,

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Speaker 1: sixteen and twenty one, but even two playoff appearances since

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Speaker 1: twenty three. That's unbelievable, unbelievable. But the Raiders went from

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Speaker 1: you know, when Gruden was there the first time, it

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Speaker 1: was only four years. It was eight and eight, eight

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Speaker 1: and eight, twelve, ten wins. Then he left and they

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Speaker 1: went to the Super Bowl, and then the bottom fell

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Speaker 1: out and it was just bad decision after bad decision

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Speaker 1: after bad decision. And it's almost it's more impressive to

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Speaker 1: me how many good people have not been able to

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Speaker 1: figure out the Raiders Rube's cube than it is people

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Speaker 1: that can figure out the Rub's cube for somebody else.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Dan, you study this thing. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: this has been all of for all of our time.

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Speaker 1: And when I say all of our I mean Jason,

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Speaker 1: Dan and I. Jason's worked in the business a little

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Speaker 1: bit longer than Dan and I, but generally about twenty

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Speaker 1: five years. I mean, you think about it, for most

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Speaker 1: of the twenty a quarter century, the Raiders have been

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Speaker 1: a non competitive football team in the NFL. That seems

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Speaker 1: that seems almost impossible considering the image of who the

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Speaker 1: Raiders are supposed to be.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you said that you don't think that it's ownership,

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Speaker 5: but I do like that's the that's the constant, because

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Speaker 5: what else could you blame it on. Right, They've tried

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Speaker 5: so many different things, and maybe it's because they've stuck

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Speaker 5: with certain things longer and haven't stuck with other things

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Speaker 5: for as long as they should. And I think that

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Speaker 5: that's the problem. I think that ownership and Mark Davis

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Speaker 5: are trying so many different things, and I think that

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Speaker 5: this one is one that is doomed to fail. And

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Speaker 5: when you look at bringing Pete Carroll in, like there's

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Speaker 5: there's there's a point. And I know they're going to

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Speaker 5: need time to build a roster, but realistically, the game

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Speaker 5: may have passed Pete Carroll by because the game has

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Speaker 5: changed dramatically in the last five years, it's changed in

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Speaker 5: the last ten years.

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Speaker 1: All let me let me ask you a question, okay,

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Speaker 1: And you're talking about his incredibly conservative nature as a coach.

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Speaker 1: So what you're talking about, so, yeah, talking about yeah,

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Speaker 1: a lot of that, Okay.

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Speaker 4: Correct.

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Speaker 1: Who's been the best team in the NFL the past

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Speaker 1: two years? Fair to say the Eagles? Sure, okay, I

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Speaker 1: mean the other team would be the Chiefs. And the honestly,

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Speaker 1: honesty was last year in the regular season, the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: were extremely conservative offensively right, because their offense won very good.

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Speaker 1: They won bit based upon their defense. So I understand

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Speaker 1: what you're saying and that it may have passed them by.

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Speaker 1: It may have, but we have teams being really successful

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Speaker 1: being very conservative.

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Speaker 5: I'm not talking about going forward on fourth down. I'm

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Speaker 5: not talking about punting it in that situation. I'm talking

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Speaker 5: about that everything like for Pete Carroll, the whole mantra

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Speaker 5: for Pete Carroll's entire career has been compete. And again,

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Speaker 5: this is a small part of this twenty five year

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Speaker 5: window that you're talking about. Pete Carroll wants to win everything.

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Speaker 5: He wants to win at everything, whether they have the

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Speaker 5: pieces or not. So they're likely going to max out

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Speaker 5: because they are trying to win now. They are trying

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Speaker 5: to do their things now. I don't think that it's

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Speaker 5: a surprise that the Seahawks roster has turned into pretty

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Speaker 5: good roster since Pete Carroll's gone, yes, and trying to

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Speaker 5: find an identity of being who you are. And this

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Speaker 5: is on the heels of the reason why I think

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Speaker 5: that Pete Carroll's brought in was to compete right away

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Speaker 5: to maybe win nine games. But that's where you don't

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Speaker 5: want to be in the National Football League, which is

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Speaker 5: your point at the beginning of the segment of being

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Speaker 5: in that middle part of like that's where half the

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Speaker 5: league is, and that would be a success for the

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Speaker 5: Raiders right now, right, but that's yeh, where they're going

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Speaker 5: to max out at.

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Speaker 4: So that's my point about like with Pete Carroll being.

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Speaker 1: There, No, you're right, Okay, but okay, so let's get

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Speaker 1: to let's just get to the failings of this year. Okay,

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Speaker 1: failings of this year. If we start with why would

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Speaker 1: you hire Pete Carroll? It was a weird hire, Mike.

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Speaker 1: And the guess is, just like anybody in coaching and

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Speaker 1: lots of businesses, you do the opposite of what you

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Speaker 1: did previously. Previously, they had a completely unproven coach who

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Speaker 1: was an interim head coach, a still kind of a

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Speaker 1: former player, and they felt like the discipline was missing

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Speaker 1: and the knowledge in the history, so they went with

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Speaker 1: the most experienced guy they could get, right, that's the logic.

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Speaker 1: Mind it. Yeah, again, I'm not saying I agree with

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Speaker 1: the logical. Pete Carroll would have been the hire, and

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Speaker 1: it's not a weird hire to you and me. But

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Speaker 1: the point is that instead of going after like a

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley and saying, hey, here's a dynamic offensive play caller,

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Speaker 1: who give him a couple of years, he'll figure out

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Speaker 1: the NFL and we may get a John Gruden before

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Speaker 1: he was John Gruden type of thing, they did what

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Speaker 1: so many people in business do, which is, if the

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Speaker 1: previous one doesn't go well, hire the compoler opposite. And

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Speaker 1: they did, and they did, yes, and he brought with

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Speaker 1: them a quarterback who had begun to get exposed last year.

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Speaker 1: Remember you go back a couple of years ago and

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Speaker 1: Gino Smith early on the year was the feel good story.

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Speaker 1: And you watched the Seahawks, so I don't need to

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Speaker 1: tell you, but I could tell everybody else. Gino wasn't

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Speaker 1: good last year with the Seahawks. It shouldn't be a surprise.

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Speaker 1: It just should not. You know, last year with the Seahawks,

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Speaker 1: twenty one touchdowns, fifteen interceptions. They were solid ten and seven,

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Speaker 1: but not because of him. He was seventy percent completion percentage.

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Speaker 1: Why just throws he could make and nothing else. Right, again,

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Speaker 1: this is to your point, the Pete Carroll style right,

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Speaker 1: extremely conservative, but you do get to a point where

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Speaker 1: when you have less talent on your roster that at

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Speaker 1: some point the quarterback is going to have to carry you.

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Speaker 1: And Gino isn't and hasn't been truly capable of carrying anybody.

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Speaker 1: And that's got exposed factor in a weaker offensive line

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Speaker 1: factor and now enough skilled posesson players, the defense isn't there.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, it's been an abject disaster. Now do I

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Speaker 1: think that's fire Pete Carroll? No, because then you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to start all over. But the logic behind Pete

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Speaker 1: Carroll's hiring was, hey, we took we were way too inexperienced.

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Speaker 1: Now we're super experienced, and they've missed on both and

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Speaker 1: I don't know where they are in the future.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, on their super experience to the seventy four year

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Speaker 5: old head coach and a quarterback who is likely riding

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Speaker 5: off into the sunset of his career. Yeah, And it's

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Speaker 5: that quick decision to try to or that decision to

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Speaker 5: move off of Antonio Pierce, which was the decision to

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Speaker 5: keep him because guess what the Patriot Way Las Vegas

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Speaker 5: Style with Josh McDaniels and Dave Ziggler didn't work out.

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Speaker 5: Your guy Telesco's there for a year. He's gone like

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Speaker 5: this is it's just over and over, like Gruden gets

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Speaker 5: pushed out.

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Speaker 1: No, that's where you want to say ownership. I will

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Speaker 1: completely agree with you, and I do think like if

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Speaker 1: you're gonna give the owner credit, and I would, which

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Speaker 1: is unlike his dad. I don't think he gets involved

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Speaker 1: in the game planning or in the player of personnel stuff.

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Speaker 1: But he is impetuous and he does want to win.

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Speaker 1: And wanting to win is great, okay, but wanted to

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Speaker 1: win and constantly moving around pieces and firing guys whatever,

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Speaker 1: and listening to the wrong people, is not, you know,

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Speaker 1: is not? I mean obviously I emotionally, I'm sitting there

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Speaker 1: going You hired Tom te LESCo, you give him one draft,

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Speaker 1: and then you decide we're gonna pull the plug because

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Speaker 1: you felt like Tom Telesco was tied to your coach

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Speaker 1: who was hired before you ever he ever got him there.

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Speaker 1: I thought, think that's the mistake, right, whether you like

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Speaker 1: or don't like Tom Telesco, and I do. He did

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Speaker 1: draft you, the rookie of the year, didn't he right?

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Speaker 1: His reward was he got fired for drafting you, the

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Speaker 1: rookie of the year who happened to be a tight

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Speaker 1: end and not a quarterback who wasn't really available, or

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Speaker 1: they would have had to move so many pieces to

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Speaker 1: get a quarterback that they wouldn't have had anything else

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Speaker 1: on the roster.

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Speaker 4: M hm.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think the the Raiders are a mess.

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Speaker 1: The story of last night is that despite all of

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Speaker 1: our not our because I don't do it, but so

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Speaker 1: many people on radio and television and digital maybe print

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Speaker 1: for people who still read newspapers. Okay, the overall narrative

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Speaker 1: is the Cowboys are a mess. Jerry Jones is too involved.

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Speaker 1: The Can you say that Jerry Jones too involved? Sure?

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Speaker 1: Does he have ad drama that doesn't previousist? Sure? Do

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Speaker 1: they always have a hold up holdout which tends to

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Speaker 1: bring attention sometimes negative leader team. Yes, but they've done

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Speaker 1: a better job of drafting. They've been more competitive, more

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Speaker 1: relevant than the Raiders, not even close. And he made

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Speaker 1: a coaching change over or the offseason, kept his gentle

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Speaker 1: manager it happens to be him, and hired Brian Schottenheimer,

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Speaker 1: who no one gave any sort of praise to when

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Speaker 1: he was hired. No one did, And yet feels like

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Speaker 1: they did a much better job than the Raiders, who

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Speaker 1: tried to clean house again and went and got a

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Speaker 1: retread coach who brought his retread quarterback, And they're in

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Speaker 1: the exact same position they seem to have been for

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Speaker 1: the last twenty years, with no quarterback, too many pieces

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Speaker 1: that they need, and a coach who probably doesn't fit

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Speaker 1: the whole rebuild process. How did I do?

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Speaker 4: That's that's a very good summation.

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Speaker 5: And I understand they've had issues on the offensive line

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Speaker 5: as well, Doug, but even if you have Colton Miller,

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Speaker 5: you know Jackson Powers Johnson went out last week against Denver,

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Speaker 5: He's done for the year. Even if you have those guys,

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Speaker 5: you're still maxing out at seven eight wins.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yep, and that is purgatory. That's purgatory. The

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Speaker 1: good news is there in position to potentially draft a

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Speaker 1: big time quarterback. The bad news is you have a

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Speaker 1: him hand the ball off for thirty times a game.

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Speaker 1: Gotta find the right guy, Gotta find the right guy.

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Speaker 1: But we'd like to do this on a Tuesday. You know,

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Speaker 1: we don't all get memos on what to talk about.

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Speaker 1: But it is pretty easy to talk about the main

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Speaker 1: headlines in an NFL weekend, but there's lots of things

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Speaker 1: that go by the wayside we may have missed. We

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Speaker 1: Well Tuesday.

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Speaker 6: To TI, this is Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the afternoon.

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Speaker 6: Mondays can be overwhelming. Tuesdays are getting to whatever we

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Speaker 4: To on Monday.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is Tuesday morning quarterback in the afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's get to Dan Bayer. Dan, you sit in

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Speaker 1: the studio on a Sunday afternoon and I'm sure there's

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Speaker 1: I wish I would have gotten to it. What is it?

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Speaker 5: Well, Doug, I was ready to take the low hanging

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Speaker 5: how awful he has been and the narrative around JJ

860
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 5: McCarthy finally started to see it over the last couple

861
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 5: of weeks of Yeah, I don't care about the fourth

862
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 5: quarter heroics. There's major issues with JJ McCarthy awful throws

863
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 5: throughout the day against the Chicago Bears. But I want

864
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 5: to talk about the team that the Vikings lost to,

865
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 5: and that is those Chicago Bears, because in my algorithm

866
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 5: on tiktop TikTok, I have seen it on X the

867
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 5: Bears getting a lot of love as they are the

868
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 5: top team now in the NFC North, sitting there at

869
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 5: seven and three, and it's a Bears team Doug that

870
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 5: I think that people are starting to really fall in

871
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 5: love with and I'm wondering why, like, why is this

872
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 5: Bears team becoming a algorithm lover?

873
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 4: And I think it's Ben Johnson.

874
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 5: But I want to warn people because I don't think

875
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 5: that the Bears are actually that good. When you look

876
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 5: at what the Bears have done in their last five

877
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 5: six games, They've won three in a row. They've now

878
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 5: won seven of eight. They've gotten wins against the Vikings

879
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 5: saved by a kick return at the end of the

880
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 5: game that basically put them in field goal position. They

881
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 5: needed Jackson Dart to get knocked out of a game

882
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 5: against the Giants in the to win and rally in.

883
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 4: The fourth quarter.

884
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 5: Heck, they needed the Bengals to make an awful attempt

885
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 5: to tackle Colston Loveland to survive. Against Cincinnati, they barely

886
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 5: beat the OA Jins. They barely beat the Saints. They

887
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 5: beat the Saints by twelve, but they barely got past

888
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 5: the Commanders on a crazy night in DC a few

889
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 5: weeks back. And then they won a wild affair against

890
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 5: the Raiders. You want to talk about the worst of

891
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 5: the worst that the Bears have been beating and doing

892
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 5: so just barely. It's that string and reality is about

893
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 5: to welcome the Chicago Bears, as they've got matchups with

894
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 5: the Packers coming up in a couple of weeks, two

895
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 5: of them. They got the Steelers this weekend, a trip

896
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 5: to Philadelphia on Black Friday. So enjoy it now, Bears fans,

897
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 5: And I'm not rubbing it into their face. It's just

898
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 5: the point of I don't think they're seven and three good,

899
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 5: and I think we're about to find out that's.

900
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 4: Just the case over these next couple of weeks.

901
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 7: Fools Gold Bears are fools Gold. Yes, Stan Byer.

902
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 5: Caleb Williams is running around, running for his life at

903
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 5: some times throwing rocket balls, as Mike Holmgren used to

904
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,959
Speaker 5: call them, But there isn't. They are running the ball

905
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 5: better like Swift and and young Guy are a much

906
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 5: better duo than maybe we would have thought at the

907
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 5: beginning of the season.

908
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 4: I think they have a better run game.

909
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 5: But for all of the tweets that we see Bear

910
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 5: on top of the division first time since twenty eighteen,

911
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 5: Adam Schefter sent one of those today, they're on top

912
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 5: of the division via record, But I don't think as

913
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 5: a team they are.

914
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 4: The best team in the NFC North by a long shot.

915
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: No, can I be catching I First of all, I

916
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,439
Speaker 1: completely agree with you completely. It's one of the things

917
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: that drives me crazy about the NFL that we do

918
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: in college football, but we refuse to do in the NFL,

919
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: which is take schedule into play right. We just don't,

920
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 1: you know, Bears wins are over the Cowboys, the Raiders,

921
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: the Commanders, the Saints, the Bengals, the Giants, the Vices.

922
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: Those are the wins. Are any of those playoff teams? No, No,

923
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: So does it take away from the fact that last

924
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: year they couldn't beat the non playoff teams? Listen, it

925
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: would be fair to say, hey, the last couple of

926
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 1: years they couldn't beat anybody playoffs, non playoffs, so it's improvement.

927
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: But let me know after they play the Eagles Packers

928
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: back to back games, how this Bears team looks.

929
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 9: And Doug, you and Dan are not, and maybe Jason

930
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 9: are not. The only ones that are skeptical of the

931
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 9: Bears are very own Jonas Knox, who's been a Bears

932
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 9: fan of his whole life. I believe a week or two

933
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 9: ago on the Challenge on NBC, here in Los Angeles.

934
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 9: He said that they were the worst six and three

935
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 9: team he's ever seen. So put that into consideration that, yeah,

936
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 9: the record is nice, but it might be fool's gold,

937
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 9: as Jason called him.

938
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get to Jason Stewart take it.

939
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 7: I'll take it from here.

940
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: The sam, I'll take it from here.

941
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 9: Sorry to switch them things around on my board there,

942
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 9: slow in the draw man, the back to you, Jason.

943
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 7: I want the Chiefs to make the playoffs. That's that's

944
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 7: the headline. Here's the filler.

945
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 8: Okay.

946
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 7: Last year I talked Dan Bayer into it's an amazing

947
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 7: storyline that we should get paid more attention to that

948
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 7: the Chiefs are going after the third straight Super Bowl championship.

949
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 7: Nobody had ever done it, especially in our lifetimes anyways,

950
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 7: So we should appreciate greatness, and we have great things

951
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 7: to talk about with greatness. Now I need them to

952
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 7: get into the playoffs.

953
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 4: You guys, ever.

954
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 7: Watch like your favorite movie or your favorite maybe you're

955
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 7: streaming a good series and the villain that you invest

956
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 7: nine episodes in, the great character that took a lot

957
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 7: of writing and a lot of build up, is just

958
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 7: kind of killed off quickly at the end, like shot

959
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 7: to death and you're like, wait a minute, I invested

960
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 7: all this time for him just to be shot. There

961
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 7: was no elongated scene, no suffering. I don't want somebody

962
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 7: to be a Super Bowl champ or win the AFC

963
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 7: without going through the Chiefs. It seems like, if this

964
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 7: is going to be the end of the dynasty, I

965
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 7: want them to at the very least be able to

966
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 7: defend themselves in the playoffs and get beaten in the

967
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 7: playoffs before the dynasty ends. If they don't make the playoffs,

968
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 7: it'll be kind of anti climactic. So I'm rooting for

969
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 7: the Chiefs to get in. I don't they don't need

970
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 7: to win once they get in, But I think it

971
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 7: would be a good story for the NFL if the

972
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 7: Chiefs didn't come up short and not make the playoffs.

973
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 7: Does that make sense to you all?

974
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: Yes?

975
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 5: I think the lasting image of the Titans beating Tom

976
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 5: Brady and the Patriots in that wild Card round game

977
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 5: where Brady gets picked off at the end because they

978
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 5: were backed up for a pick six like that is

979
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 5: an end to the dynasty, like to that point. So

980
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 5: when you're doing the documentaries, I mean, unfortunately we've had

981
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 5: like eight on the Patriots already and it's only been

982
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 5: like five years. But the point being is you need

983
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 5: that sort of conclusion. And I felt that because the

984
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 5: Titans beat the Patriots, it felt like, Okay, you knocked

985
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 5: them out in the playoffs, like that's the end.

986
00:52:59,239 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 4: I agree with Jay.

987
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 7: I mean, if you're if you're like the Knicks and

988
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 7: or the Rockets in ninety four, that had to feel

989
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 7: pretty empty. The Knicks went in the East and the

990
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,760
Speaker 7: Rockets win in the title. Nobody had to go through Jordan.

991
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 7: You know, there was no villain to hand the baton

992
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 7: to or whatever.

993
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 9: So Jason, you're saying that the Chiefs deserve of true

994
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 9: villain's death, like falling into a vat of acid and

995
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 9: burning up slowly.

996
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 4: I get that.

997
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 9: Just something really dramatic, elongated acid.

998
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna go here, Sammy, go ahead. Dan Campbell

999
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: is making the classic mistake that coaches make, which is

1000
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:48,280
Speaker 1: he's feeling himself. Feeling himself. So look, Dan Campbell played

1001
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: what a decade in the Nation Football League as a

1002
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: tight end, and he's hired obviously very very good coaches.

1003
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: We talked about Ben Johnson or at least Dan Byer

1004
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: did earlier. Nowhere in his coaching career has he called plays,

1005
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: and so his answer to the Lions offense struggling with

1006
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 1: a new play caller is to call plays. And what

1007
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: it looks like is he's a guy who he if

1008
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: we call it, we call it Twitter play call it right,

1009
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: if you go on to Twitter, or you go on

1010
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: to X, whatever you want to call it, and if

1011
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: it's in your algorithm, you'll see some awesome sets in basketball, college,

1012
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: high school, overseas, pro, NBA, and you can pick out

1013
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 1: a couple of them. Okay, but you can't just run

1014
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: a couple of cool plays and hope to be good offensively.

1015
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: It has to kind of all work together. People have

1016
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: raved at about Dan Campbell's you know, his forward thinking

1017
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: go forward on fourth down and even if you don't

1018
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: get it, don't worry about These are mistakes, but aggressive mistakes.

1019
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: So you factor in the he's going for on fourth

1020
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,240
Speaker 1: down just because well, that's what we do. He's calling

1021
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: plays when he hasn't called plays before, and he's not

1022
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: doing what really smart people, and I think Dan is

1023
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: really smart people do, which is hire people who know

1024
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: what you don't know and then let them do their job.

1025
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: This is the hardest thing for me, you know. And look,

1026
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: I haven't had the success of Dan Campbell yet, haven't

1027
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: had it yet. But I hired some really good assistant coaches,

1028
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: and I find myself during games, especially we're playing a

1029
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,280
Speaker 1: big game against Minnesota Saturday, asking it, ay your opinion,

1030
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: who do you want in there defensively? I know what

1031
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: I want to do offensively, but it's got to marry

1032
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: with who you trust in there. So we're working all together.

1033
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: I let them call the defense and switch it. I'll

1034
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: let them call the guys who I have a coach

1035
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: who's coached for fifty years. If he says, hey, make

1036
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: this adjustment offensively, I'm gonna listen to him. And I

1037
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: just think that Dan Campbell. There's a lot of things

1038
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: off about the Lions, but the biggest thing that's off

1039
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: is you took away their superpower, which was creative play calling.

1040
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: And you had a guy who previously maligned was like

1041
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: your new Matt Ryan, just accurate as hell, steady as hell,

1042
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: and now he's a mess. And I think that's because

1043
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: you have an inexperienced play caller who's the coach's kind

1044
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: of feeling himself and doing what they do, even though

1045
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: he's never done this play calling before.

1046
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 7: Isn't him taking over the play calling an admission that

1047
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 7: he chose wrong for the offensive coordinator? Isn't this him

1048
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 7: kind of midstream admitting a mistake and this is the

1049
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 7: only thing you could think of to remedy this?

1050
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 1: Probably probably, But you know again, when you said, hey,

1051
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,720
Speaker 1: I'll do it myself and then you draw outside the lines,

1052
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: you know you're sitting there going what are we doing here?

1053
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: But yes, it does feel that way.

1054
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 5: Remember they lost both coordinators to head coaching jobs, yep.

1055
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 5: And those guys will also take their guys that they

1056
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 5: have on staff.

1057
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 1: Sure, So anybody they're close with they relate to, they're

1058
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: bringing with them because they're going to elevate them.

1059
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:00,720
Speaker 4: Correct.

1060
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 5: So like Tanner, Engstrand is the Jets offensive coordinator, he

1061
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 5: was the Lion's passing game.

1062
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 4: Coordinator last season.

1063
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 5: That could have been a natural fit, but instead Aaron

1064
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 5: Glenn takes him to New York to be It's the.

1065
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: Best point Dan you can make is we always look

1066
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: at the very top line guys that go and not

1067
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: realize that when you have success, and they had a

1068
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: lot of success, it's not just your coordinators to become

1069
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: head coach, it's all the other staff. And then you're

1070
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: caught like, do we stick with the same verbiage? Do

1071
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: we break in new verbiage? Exactly? What do we do?

1072
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: And they are stuck because they looked mystified by the Eagles,

1073
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: just mystified by the Eagles, Sam, what do you got?

1074
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Speaker 4: So I looked this up.

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Speaker 9: The Chargers are actually slight road favorites against the Jaguars

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00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 9: this past weekend. So when the Jaguars won thirty five

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00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 9: to six, a beatdown over a good Charger team, a

1078
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 9: beat up, but a good Charters team, I was surprised

1079
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 9: and left me with the question are the Jaguars actually good?

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00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 9: And I think that the jury is still out on that.

1081
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: They have nice Well, let me help you with that.

1082
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: What is good?

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00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 9: Well? Good as a playoff team. They look like they're

1084
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 9: headed for the playoffs. They've got some nice wins. They've

1085
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 9: got to win over a Carolina team that has is

1086
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 9: over five hundred, a Houston team that looks like it's

1087
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 9: figuring things out.

1088
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:23,919
Speaker 4: I know they CJ Strode back.

1089
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 9: They've went over the Niners, they went over the Chiefs

1090
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 9: and they've went over the Chargers. And then I look

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00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 9: at Trevor Lawrence, who this is his fifth year in

1092
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 9: the league, and I just don't know. He's still a mystery.

1093
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 9: He doesn't have any three hundred yard passing games this year.

1094
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 9: He has six games with just one touchdown pass and

1095
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 9: he has one game with three touchdown passes, but that

1096
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 9: was a loss. So he's he's not he's in the

1097
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 9: let's see he's in. Just looking at my mini tabs

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00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 9: open here, I'm just gonna say he's well. On a second,

1099
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 9: he's bottom half of the league in touchdown passes, he's

1100
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 9: bottom half of the league in interceptions, he's half in

1101
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 9: passing yards, and then his quarterback rating is pretty low.

1102
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 9: So the Jaguars are a mystery because you don't have

1103
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 9: Liam Cohen has doesn't have a long track record as

1104
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 9: a head coach. Obviously, Trevor Lawrence is up and down,

1105
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 9: and the running game is good. But I just I

1106
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 9: wonder this, what if you took Daniel Jones from the

1107
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 9: AFC South leading Indianapolis Colton, you put him on the Jags,

1108
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 9: and you put Trevor Lawrence on the Colts with that

1109
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 9: offensive line and Jonathan Taylor. What kind of result would

1110
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 9: you have? Because when he was coming out of when

1111
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 9: Trevor Lawrence was coming out of Clemson, you know, he

1112
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 9: looked like a surefire Pro Bowl quarterback.

1113
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 4: And it's been up and down.

1114
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: No, he's one of the highest, the highest rated draftees

1115
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: we've seen.

1116
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 4: And that was wrong. That was dead wrong.

1117
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 7: The can't miss thing, you can't say, can't miss mediocre career.

1118
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: So what do we How would you term it, Jay Stu?

1119
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: Would you go very unlikely to miss? No, I'm asking.

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00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: I'm not being Syracuse, I'm not being a jerk anyway.

1121
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, honestly, how would you guys were it?

1122
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: Because you're right, like the whole camp miss thing you

1123
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: can miss? And they did.

1124
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 9: He had a twenty five and eight season in twenty

1125
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 9: twenty two. Was that the year they beat the Chargers

1126
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 9: and that comeback?

1127
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Right?

1129
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 9: And then he had a twenty one touchdown fourteen interception

1130
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 9: and last year, I know it was bad, only eleven touchdowns.

1131
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 9: This year he's got eleven so far. But what he'll

1132
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 9: probably finish with I don't know, sixteen to eighteen. So

1133
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 9: he's just kind of middle of the pack, right, now

1134
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 9: in terms of his so far in his career.

1135
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 5: I think your question on whether the Jaguar that's ultimately

1136
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 5: whether the Jaguars for real, And it goes back to

1137
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 5: when you talk about who they beat.

1138
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 4: I think that you have to take.

1139
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 5: Them seriously considering the wins over the teams that they have.

1140
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 5: Maybe the forty nine Ers weren't playing as well as

1141
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 5: they could be now with a healthy brock Party, but

1142
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 5: they beat him in week four. They beat the Panthers

1143
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 5: in Week one. Guess what Panthers are sitting there at

1144
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 5: six and five. They beat the Chiefs, destroyed the Chargers.

1145
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 5: Like I understand that the Chargers had a Sunday night game,

1146
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 5: physical matchup against the Steelers, and then you're playing across

1147
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 5: the country Sunday one o'clock Eastern time kick. It's tough

1148
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 5: to do, but that's not thirty five to six like

1149
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 5: that's like, so at least give them credit for that.

1150
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 5: And you've got two more games coming up against you

1151
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 5: haven't played the Titans yet this year. You've got a

1152
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 5: game against the Cardinals that's winnable this Sunday, and you

1153
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 5: have the Jets side for the fact that you have

1154
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 5: two divisional games against the Colts that if you do

1155
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 5: beat them, you could be in the thick of it

1156
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 5: for winning your division. Whether we believe in them or not,

1157
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 5: the Jaguars are going to be there at the end.

1158
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 4: Can I just say one more thing.

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Speaker 9: I was about ready to start fading the Jaguars when

1160
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 9: they were losing three of four games and their only

1161
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 9: winning there was an overtime win over the hapless Raiders.

1162
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 9: But that thirty five to six win over the Chargers,

1163
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 9: I was like, wow, well it was very impressive.

1164
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 5: Also, look at who they lost in those three of

1165
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 5: the four Seahawks and rams up to the better teams.

1166
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 5: They actually were beating the Texans. They were up nineteen

1167
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 5: in that game and Houston had the crazy comeback scores,

1168
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 5: the defensive touchdown at the end. So yeah, a game

1169
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 5: that they should have won. They'd tell you that they

1170
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 5: should have won that one and maybe would have been

1171
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 5: more of a case to be one of the teams.

1172
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 4: To believe in.

1173
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: And that is Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the afternoon. Tuesday Tuesday.

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Speaker 6: Here you have it, your Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the

1175
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 6: afternoon on the Godwin shown who